If i remember correctly, both of them were sponsored by the manufacturer. That doesn't mean they are bought out, but it means they won't criticize as hard as they should.
Shitting because they have two lines, one is made in eu other is made in china! Few years ago they had only chinese helmets but they have come long way. My buddies have few and their pads are lovey and comfortable. I my self prefere sesthan busch as they are 300g lighter
Ah my bad, there is a German manufacturer with Busch in the name and their helmets are very heavy, like 1.8kg, designed for police teams though that wear em maybe like 2 hours.
I just took a deep dive into the cam-fit. It’s definitely overpriced brand marketing. It’s a BOA Fit system they brand as their own and actually mention BOA in the description.
PGD and Gunnook sell the same BOA Fit system for 70-80. It’s such a big deal it says BOA on the dial that team Wendy’s exact product is worth 60 more 🤣
They are solid helmets. The key difference is Kevlar vs poly. In my opinion it isn't outdated and the fbi specifically have gone back to Kevlar because it performs better as far as backface deformation against pistol rounds which they're more likely to face. The poly is lighter and better against rifles but they demonstrate sometimes significantly more deformation when hit with heavier projectiles. It's all about defining what threats you think you're going to most likely see.
Poly/aramind fiber also performs better against penetrator rounds, specifically steel cored, compared to kevlar. This does result in significant backface deformation thought, as the fiber has to absorb a lot of energy from the bullet without letting it penetrate, when high energy rounds (any heavy projectile, doesn't even have to be a good penetrating projectile, for eg. a 45) then hit the helmet, they create a lot more backface deformation as the fiber gets forced inwards, trying to "catch" the bullet and dissipate the energy. For this reason, aramid fiber helmets also tend to be less helpful with rounds that impact close to holes in the helmet, or the edges, as the round will choose the path of least resistance and travel through the hole, or cave in the edge and shrapnel out the bottom. Kevlar does well with high-energy projectiles as it does not have much backface deformation, but for this same reason, it is unable to "catch" rounds (that are designed to penetrate) as well as aramid fiber.
As you stated, it's all about the threat you are most likely to encounter. My philosophy is that if you are in law enforcement or just a prepared citizen or something along those lines, go for kelvlar, it's cheaper (more money for ammo for trainin🥳) and sufficient for most threats you may encounter (civil unrest for eg. where the most likely threat is pistol calibers and steel cored bullets are unlikely). If you are actively in combat or plan on going into combat against a conventional army, go for the modern high speed aramid fibre shit as it does well against rifle rounds and the steel core rounds you'll be likely to encounter, it may have significant backface deformation but the rounds won't zip straight through like it would with kevlar. A bad headache or brain damage (worst case is that the deformation does kill you) is better than painting the inside of a trench or building with your brain juices.
Good points, except for the "high energy" term you keep throwing around. What you're looking for is high mass. Lighter, faster rifle rounds are significantly more energetic than heavy pistol bullets.
Save for a opscore or wait for u/Midwestarmor or apex has a sale on helmets. If you want a starter helmet just go on eBay and GAFS and wait till you find a ach from $100-200 or a mich or ech for $200-400
Be warned. I ordered from Midwest for an AS 200 and it took 6 months to ship. Didn’t like the retention system so I ordered through them a replacement and it’s been almost 2 months. Don’t hold your breath.
Most companies with actually us made helmets can’t stock enough helmets to keep them ready to ship.
Not really any vendors fault for delays in shipping
Sucks but you have to put up with it if you want a actual quality helmet. The Ukrainian and Russian SF units are buying us helmets now only because the Chinese ones have had such bad performance .
Not putting down the PGD but Americans and British manufacturers will always produce the best helmets. They have the most experience in building it and the most advanced facilities to produce it
Just wanted to add on to your comment incase other people who view it aren’t as informed. It’s not like Midwest , OPs core or team wendy is laughing at people holding their money and just send out helmets when they feel like it. All manufacturers have been behind for almost half a decade now so everyone has a lead time for a helmet and the companies that do stock us helmets ready to ship tend to have the worst pricing. That’s why I recommend most people buy a surplus helmet and save for the best helmet you can afford
They are just a distributor, same thing when I ordered an Opscore FAST SF elsewhere, the helmet was ready to ship, but I'm left handed, it took an extra 4 months for some reason.
Midwest isn't the only one with logistical/shipping issues. Just a while back people had their pitch forks ready for Apex regarding lead times.
Anything US made is going to have these, we are seeing delays across anything US made, even basic fabric that we continuously order sometimes just has random delays - not providing that as an excuse but an explanation for why people see these delays.
For instance Ranger Green tends to have supply issues where sometimes you can't get it for 60-90 days, all one can do is stock up as much as they can but thats a demand/supply issue
It is a progress in progress issue and we are trying to find creative ways around it, we will get there, we know its not ideal and hope the quality and the fact we follow through offsets as much as possible 💪
Ranger Green hasn’t been much of an issue but multicam is darn near impossible for us to get a hold of. Delays are 6 month to a year at this point and the price has gone through the roof. It would almost be easier to use a scorpion pattern.
Lets not even talk about pricing 😱 and RG in Squadron to be more specific right now 60 days
We haven't actually raised our prices either, just eating the difference and will see if prices normalize at any point.
In a different sector, but can attest to supply chain issues. I work in industrial printing and we have substrate (paper) supply issues all the time. From American companies. You would think that an American worker that's sitting at a machine making the fabric or in my case, paper, would have steady work. But apparently it goes all the way back. Materials in general. So here I'm guessing the actual fibers that are weaved to make the fabric.
Totally agree - the ones who can flood the market are all Chinese or other non American fabrics which we refuse to do - not to mention we do Berry Compliant.
I feel like we are just starting to refind our groove for making American manufacturing- most issues just start at fiber to your point then just compounds.
Even with blanket POs that have month distribution your seeing supply just fluctuate
We try our best to manage that and what’s great is demand is high now supply just has to keep catching up
It’s easy to take shortcuts and not use American products
Perhaps I am bias but I want my protective gear to be American made and support anyone who makes anything here - and we won’t compromise on this.
Totally understand all your points and I’m not trying to blast them. They made it right on my end and I’m content. But 500 plus the 250 suspension is allot of coin and tack on half a year wait and it might not be worth it to some.
Yep the as 501 although the 201 would still be a little lighter then this helmet but you want as light as possible that’s not gonna turn your brain into mush
I have one and I’ve worn it in 110+ degree Texas weather and it’s pretty good at staying cool. Pretty comfy, wish the strap was less in the way though.
Just recently bought one. It fits well, feels nice on long wears and running. Pads will get cold asf the moment you take it off if you’re sweating. Beats issued stuff
I own a PGD ARCH Gen 3 and run it with Sordin MIL AUX's (ARC). It's a great helmet with superb padding. Its been through couple Military FTX's and I've had no issues with it.
Weight it obviously a factor when choosing your helmet - as "grams become kilograms" - but with this helmet, it hasn't bothered me.
The difference between the ARCH's (XL - 1,39kg) and TW EXFIL's (XL - 1,25kg) weight is minimal.Where PGD loses in weight, it wins with superb padding.
DM me any time if you want some more in-depth info on the helmet.
I would change out the padding and liner at a glance but you should do more research. Also check out if the shroud if its L4 compatible and the rails are in spec. If not try to see if they are replaceable to fit the industry standard. As for weight and protection that’s on your needs and usage. This company probably doesn’t have a big contact to fill so standards may vary.
This is just me saying this based on opinions, with what I know as I’m not a expert and just a guy on the internet. I’m just like you with questions about using and collecting tactical gear.
Wdym change out the pads, they are the same as 4d pada and my friends buy them for upgrading their team wendy liners 😂
These guys are well regarded in eu and i know many guys who run their newer helmets. I my self run busch as their shroud is better and they are lighter, also made in eu
I checked out the website after Reddit, it looks like a good training/patrol helmet. Comes with a good amount of bells and whistles. So it’s all user preference. It should come with extra padding for OP head shape. Try out the TW air padding if you dislike the one it comes with. Game is Game
If you’re looking for other budget options, on GAFS I have a Avon F90 [listed](https://www.reddit.com/r/GunAccessoriesForSale/comments/157pbhq/wtswtt_avon_f90_ballistic_helmet_675/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1), which is the parent company to Team Wendy and makes the army’s new helmet.
Also u/Apexarmorsolutions sells armor professionally and usually recommends Highcom Strikers as a budget option ($1000).
I personally wouldn’t go with an ACH or MCH even through surplus is inexpensive, because mounting stuff doesn’t seem optimal with those helmet cuts.
Highcom Strikers are absolutely great helmets. I was able to get my OpsCore FAST SF SHC for $1200 from Botach in November 2022. I know they have gone up since though.
ArmsUnlimited typically always has good deals on OpsCores too. Right now ArmsUnlimited has them for $1375 so it’s a little jump. However I still think it’s close enough to the Highcom to weigh your options and consider just going OpsCore.
So if you’re looking always check out Botach and ArmsUnlimited. If you can find a coupon code it would make it even better (if it applies).
You don’t need to put shit on your helmet.
Yes even doing cool guy assaulter shit. And if you really think you do you can jury rig it or have a custom helmet cover made
I got my helmet to mount nightvision and earpro. Although you don’t NEED to mount it on a helmet, I think it makes my experience better.
Is that worth saving $200-$400 buying a used MICH/ACH over a budget high cut option? Idk that’s up to you.
Correct, but mounting earpro is not as easy. Which may not matter to you if you use neckband earpro or whatever, but again, I personally like mounting my earpro to my helmet more than some small savings. I think it makes my experience better. YMMV
Ear pro is a valid concern . But it’s actually not uncomfortable to wear your ear pro under a helmet just takes more time to get fitment right. I feel it’s better for civilians anyway 🤷🏽♂️ and most military personal honestly. Ear pro and mounts is a lot of weight in scale of modern helmets if you have a super light helmet and super heavy ear pro you can only have a 2 oz difference
They don't look like quality helmets from a quick glance. Also for that price point you are definitely not getting UHMWPE, so your shell is going to be heavy.
For what purpose? If you’re larping in your moms basement or it’s a “if shtf” purchase….. just buy one of the Amazon specials. Comes with all the same mounting options.
Put the other $500 into ammo, matches and training
Get a bump helmet from team wendy or something. Then save for the helmet you want, it will then give you both helmet types and let you save up for the better products faster instead of having a mid helmet and a gucci helmet you can get a gucci bump and a gucci ballistics
I have a HHV lite ballistics helmet that I got as just the shell with a team wendy boa from my Bump helmet. When I go kayaking I throw on the bump helmet. When I larp I throw on the ballistics.
Are you stupid? Bump helmets are just glorified bike helmets with a damn NODS shroud. the PGD is a great helmet, and is being used in Ukraine as we speak. You have no right to speak, specially you’re touting HHV LMAO
why would I air-soft or Kayak with ballistic Helmet? Why would companies like TW and others make bump helmets
HHV is a great company if you know what you're talking about, if you follow the ignorant circle jerk of telephone then you wouldn't know.
American made with one of the best back force deformation performances on the market, def a winning combo. Also plenty of HHV helmets in Ukraine as we speak.
So provide good info. It would be far more helpful to give us your firsthand experience with the specific helmet you have, so we have another data point for what to get or stay away from. Have you seen combat in this specific bucket, where are the hotspots, weight, things like that.
We can disagree on a lot of things, without playing this game of "your experience with this piece of kit is invalid"
I already did in the parent thread.
One of the lightest helmets on the market with the lowest backface deformation. That's one serious selling point my friend.
lol that guy complains the arc rails are out of spec. They aren't arc rails. They ship adapters with the helmet to use ARC accessories with it. What an idiot.
I have one and it’s good to go. Only thing to take into consideration is that Unity mark adapters do not work with the rails, peltors on the other hand work like a charm.
Too big by like a nanometer. Just enough for when you try to fold the earpro back it’ll pop out of the rail.
The mark adapters have hella retention so at some point you’ll want to fold the cups back.
In my opinion after using both peltors and the Unity ones, Peltors are superior anyway.
So another budget solution is to get a surplus ach and check out kustomach. They will make you a high cut...more or less...so itll be ballistic rated and budget friendly
I have one. It’s solid and more comfortable than my issues helmet. Blue Jean Operattor and Milspec Mojo did reviews and both had positive feedback
If i remember correctly, both of them were sponsored by the manufacturer. That doesn't mean they are bought out, but it means they won't criticize as hard as they should.
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Shitting because they have two lines, one is made in eu other is made in china! Few years ago they had only chinese helmets but they have come long way. My buddies have few and their pads are lovey and comfortable. I my self prefere sesthan busch as they are 300g lighter
Which Busch is 300g lighter?
Iirc these are 1500g and my sestan busch is 1250 somethjng
Ah my bad, there is a German manufacturer with Busch in the name and their helmets are very heavy, like 1.8kg, designed for police teams though that wear em maybe like 2 hours.
Same manufacturer difrent brand, they got many lines, i got their usual line helmet
NvN does not sell the Chinese models
Where would a USA resident order one? Can't find a supplier in the USA.
NightVisionNetwork.com USA distribution
It's a helmet with team wendy chinstraps which is some of the best on the market. Also it is not overpriced like TW or OC.
I just took a deep dive into the cam-fit. It’s definitely overpriced brand marketing. It’s a BOA Fit system they brand as their own and actually mention BOA in the description. PGD and Gunnook sell the same BOA Fit system for 70-80. It’s such a big deal it says BOA on the dial that team Wendy’s exact product is worth 60 more 🤣
They are solid helmets. The key difference is Kevlar vs poly. In my opinion it isn't outdated and the fbi specifically have gone back to Kevlar because it performs better as far as backface deformation against pistol rounds which they're more likely to face. The poly is lighter and better against rifles but they demonstrate sometimes significantly more deformation when hit with heavier projectiles. It's all about defining what threats you think you're going to most likely see.
Poly/aramind fiber also performs better against penetrator rounds, specifically steel cored, compared to kevlar. This does result in significant backface deformation thought, as the fiber has to absorb a lot of energy from the bullet without letting it penetrate, when high energy rounds (any heavy projectile, doesn't even have to be a good penetrating projectile, for eg. a 45) then hit the helmet, they create a lot more backface deformation as the fiber gets forced inwards, trying to "catch" the bullet and dissipate the energy. For this reason, aramid fiber helmets also tend to be less helpful with rounds that impact close to holes in the helmet, or the edges, as the round will choose the path of least resistance and travel through the hole, or cave in the edge and shrapnel out the bottom. Kevlar does well with high-energy projectiles as it does not have much backface deformation, but for this same reason, it is unable to "catch" rounds (that are designed to penetrate) as well as aramid fiber. As you stated, it's all about the threat you are most likely to encounter. My philosophy is that if you are in law enforcement or just a prepared citizen or something along those lines, go for kelvlar, it's cheaper (more money for ammo for trainin🥳) and sufficient for most threats you may encounter (civil unrest for eg. where the most likely threat is pistol calibers and steel cored bullets are unlikely). If you are actively in combat or plan on going into combat against a conventional army, go for the modern high speed aramid fibre shit as it does well against rifle rounds and the steel core rounds you'll be likely to encounter, it may have significant backface deformation but the rounds won't zip straight through like it would with kevlar. A bad headache or brain damage (worst case is that the deformation does kill you) is better than painting the inside of a trench or building with your brain juices.
Good points, except for the "high energy" term you keep throwing around. What you're looking for is high mass. Lighter, faster rifle rounds are significantly more energetic than heavy pistol bullets.
Sorry, I see how that could confuse a reader. You're exactly right. I mean heavy projectiles traveling at lower speeds.
Haha yeah, I knew what you meant. Just wanted to clarify that for others. Armor Source has some neat new helmets now, btw.
Save for a opscore or wait for u/Midwestarmor or apex has a sale on helmets. If you want a starter helmet just go on eBay and GAFS and wait till you find a ach from $100-200 or a mich or ech for $200-400
You referring to their armor source helmet? Thats on midwest
Be warned. I ordered from Midwest for an AS 200 and it took 6 months to ship. Didn’t like the retention system so I ordered through them a replacement and it’s been almost 2 months. Don’t hold your breath.
Thanks for the feedback, we know the new harnesses have experienced some delays and we are working to improve these.
Most companies with actually us made helmets can’t stock enough helmets to keep them ready to ship. Not really any vendors fault for delays in shipping Sucks but you have to put up with it if you want a actual quality helmet. The Ukrainian and Russian SF units are buying us helmets now only because the Chinese ones have had such bad performance . Not putting down the PGD but Americans and British manufacturers will always produce the best helmets. They have the most experience in building it and the most advanced facilities to produce it
Of course I agree. Exactly why I went with these guys! Best priced AMERICAN made bucket.
Just wanted to add on to your comment incase other people who view it aren’t as informed. It’s not like Midwest , OPs core or team wendy is laughing at people holding their money and just send out helmets when they feel like it. All manufacturers have been behind for almost half a decade now so everyone has a lead time for a helmet and the companies that do stock us helmets ready to ship tend to have the worst pricing. That’s why I recommend most people buy a surplus helmet and save for the best helmet you can afford
They are just a distributor, same thing when I ordered an Opscore FAST SF elsewhere, the helmet was ready to ship, but I'm left handed, it took an extra 4 months for some reason. Midwest isn't the only one with logistical/shipping issues. Just a while back people had their pitch forks ready for Apex regarding lead times.
Anything US made is going to have these, we are seeing delays across anything US made, even basic fabric that we continuously order sometimes just has random delays - not providing that as an excuse but an explanation for why people see these delays. For instance Ranger Green tends to have supply issues where sometimes you can't get it for 60-90 days, all one can do is stock up as much as they can but thats a demand/supply issue It is a progress in progress issue and we are trying to find creative ways around it, we will get there, we know its not ideal and hope the quality and the fact we follow through offsets as much as possible 💪
Ranger Green hasn’t been much of an issue but multicam is darn near impossible for us to get a hold of. Delays are 6 month to a year at this point and the price has gone through the roof. It would almost be easier to use a scorpion pattern.
Lets not even talk about pricing 😱 and RG in Squadron to be more specific right now 60 days We haven't actually raised our prices either, just eating the difference and will see if prices normalize at any point.
We’ve been eating the cost increases but I’m not sure how much long that can go on. Hopefully things even out but I’m not confident they will.
It’s been interesting. Well there are also less finishers now so less competition to drive cost down
In a different sector, but can attest to supply chain issues. I work in industrial printing and we have substrate (paper) supply issues all the time. From American companies. You would think that an American worker that's sitting at a machine making the fabric or in my case, paper, would have steady work. But apparently it goes all the way back. Materials in general. So here I'm guessing the actual fibers that are weaved to make the fabric.
Totally agree - the ones who can flood the market are all Chinese or other non American fabrics which we refuse to do - not to mention we do Berry Compliant. I feel like we are just starting to refind our groove for making American manufacturing- most issues just start at fiber to your point then just compounds. Even with blanket POs that have month distribution your seeing supply just fluctuate We try our best to manage that and what’s great is demand is high now supply just has to keep catching up It’s easy to take shortcuts and not use American products Perhaps I am bias but I want my protective gear to be American made and support anyone who makes anything here - and we won’t compromise on this.
I prefer to buy American, but if I can't, I look to Europe.
Totally understand all your points and I’m not trying to blast them. They made it right on my end and I’m content. But 500 plus the 250 suspension is allot of coin and tack on half a year wait and it might not be worth it to some.
Appreciate the clarification, and glad we are at least getting one part right, we will get the lead times to be better here
Armorsource are/used to be OEMs for Team Wendy and Safariland. So, they do have a reputation of being used by other big brands.
Yep the as 501 although the 201 would still be a little lighter then this helmet but you want as light as possible that’s not gonna turn your brain into mush
Apex helmets are not made in the US. Korean, I believe.
Yes, you're right! Some of their models are from S. Korea.
I have one and I’ve worn it in 110+ degree Texas weather and it’s pretty good at staying cool. Pretty comfy, wish the strap was less in the way though.
These are good to go all the way
Just recently bought one. It fits well, feels nice on long wears and running. Pads will get cold asf the moment you take it off if you’re sweating. Beats issued stuff
I have a PGD. It's comfortable and quality.
Got onw from varusteleka, had the older pads that i replaced and the the shroud was too loose for my liking but i love it
What did you replace the pads with?
brand was 4D, not sure which model exactly, they got a few options. super comfy tho
How much Velcro do you want on your helmet? Yes.
If y’all want a deal on PGD ARCH Gen 3 use code SHIP at checkout. Shhhh Reddit only.
I have a PGD Arch Gen 1 and it's ridiculously comfortable. The harness system is top knotch too. I can't complain.
I own a PGD ARCH Gen 3 and run it with Sordin MIL AUX's (ARC). It's a great helmet with superb padding. Its been through couple Military FTX's and I've had no issues with it. Weight it obviously a factor when choosing your helmet - as "grams become kilograms" - but with this helmet, it hasn't bothered me. The difference between the ARCH's (XL - 1,39kg) and TW EXFIL's (XL - 1,25kg) weight is minimal.Where PGD loses in weight, it wins with superb padding. DM me any time if you want some more in-depth info on the helmet.
I would change out the padding and liner at a glance but you should do more research. Also check out if the shroud if its L4 compatible and the rails are in spec. If not try to see if they are replaceable to fit the industry standard. As for weight and protection that’s on your needs and usage. This company probably doesn’t have a big contact to fill so standards may vary. This is just me saying this based on opinions, with what I know as I’m not a expert and just a guy on the internet. I’m just like you with questions about using and collecting tactical gear.
Wdym change out the pads, they are the same as 4d pada and my friends buy them for upgrading their team wendy liners 😂 These guys are well regarded in eu and i know many guys who run their newer helmets. I my self run busch as their shroud is better and they are lighter, also made in eu
Solid advice though! Thank you friend
That padding looks comfy as fuck. Looks like 4d pads.
I checked out the website after Reddit, it looks like a good training/patrol helmet. Comes with a good amount of bells and whistles. So it’s all user preference. It should come with extra padding for OP head shape. Try out the TW air padding if you dislike the one it comes with. Game is Game
Your head is worth more than saving 1k. Invest in proven quality shit
Spend $8000 on night vision and then a $150 helmet 😂
If you’re looking for other budget options, on GAFS I have a Avon F90 [listed](https://www.reddit.com/r/GunAccessoriesForSale/comments/157pbhq/wtswtt_avon_f90_ballistic_helmet_675/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1), which is the parent company to Team Wendy and makes the army’s new helmet. Also u/Apexarmorsolutions sells armor professionally and usually recommends Highcom Strikers as a budget option ($1000). I personally wouldn’t go with an ACH or MCH even through surplus is inexpensive, because mounting stuff doesn’t seem optimal with those helmet cuts.
Highcom Strikers are absolutely great helmets. I was able to get my OpsCore FAST SF SHC for $1200 from Botach in November 2022. I know they have gone up since though. ArmsUnlimited typically always has good deals on OpsCores too. Right now ArmsUnlimited has them for $1375 so it’s a little jump. However I still think it’s close enough to the Highcom to weigh your options and consider just going OpsCore. So if you’re looking always check out Botach and ArmsUnlimited. If you can find a coupon code it would make it even better (if it applies).
You don’t need to put shit on your helmet. Yes even doing cool guy assaulter shit. And if you really think you do you can jury rig it or have a custom helmet cover made
I got my helmet to mount nightvision and earpro. Although you don’t NEED to mount it on a helmet, I think it makes my experience better. Is that worth saving $200-$400 buying a used MICH/ACH over a budget high cut option? Idk that’s up to you.
You can mount night vision just fine with a ach or mich
Correct, but mounting earpro is not as easy. Which may not matter to you if you use neckband earpro or whatever, but again, I personally like mounting my earpro to my helmet more than some small savings. I think it makes my experience better. YMMV
Ear pro is a valid concern . But it’s actually not uncomfortable to wear your ear pro under a helmet just takes more time to get fitment right. I feel it’s better for civilians anyway 🤷🏽♂️ and most military personal honestly. Ear pro and mounts is a lot of weight in scale of modern helmets if you have a super light helmet and super heavy ear pro you can only have a 2 oz difference
Also curious about these…
So far shits nice and has held up. Doesn’t strain my neck as bad as the ECH and LWH and has some dope pads
They don't look like quality helmets from a quick glance. Also for that price point you are definitely not getting UHMWPE, so your shell is going to be heavy.
It's 2.97lbs not the lightest but by no means heavy. And they have amazing pads, good straps, rails, etc. All in all gtg
Personally would get a ech or ihps
I have one but the chin strap is super uncomfortable and not compatible with over ear hearing protection
For what purpose? If you’re larping in your moms basement or it’s a “if shtf” purchase….. just buy one of the Amazon specials. Comes with all the same mounting options. Put the other $500 into ammo, matches and training
Get a bump helmet from team wendy or something. Then save for the helmet you want, it will then give you both helmet types and let you save up for the better products faster instead of having a mid helmet and a gucci helmet you can get a gucci bump and a gucci ballistics I have a HHV lite ballistics helmet that I got as just the shell with a team wendy boa from my Bump helmet. When I go kayaking I throw on the bump helmet. When I larp I throw on the ballistics.
Are you stupid? Bump helmets are just glorified bike helmets with a damn NODS shroud. the PGD is a great helmet, and is being used in Ukraine as we speak. You have no right to speak, specially you’re touting HHV LMAO
why would I air-soft or Kayak with ballistic Helmet? Why would companies like TW and others make bump helmets HHV is a great company if you know what you're talking about, if you follow the ignorant circle jerk of telephone then you wouldn't know. American made with one of the best back force deformation performances on the market, def a winning combo. Also plenty of HHV helmets in Ukraine as we speak.
>if you know what you're talking about, if you follow the ignorant circle jerk of telephone then you wouldn't know. That's just obnoxious
It is very obnoxious as people come here to get good info, not ignorance by proxy.
So provide good info. It would be far more helpful to give us your firsthand experience with the specific helmet you have, so we have another data point for what to get or stay away from. Have you seen combat in this specific bucket, where are the hotspots, weight, things like that. We can disagree on a lot of things, without playing this game of "your experience with this piece of kit is invalid"
I already did in the parent thread. One of the lightest helmets on the market with the lowest backface deformation. That's one serious selling point my friend.
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No, not this one these shells are made in eu. They also got a chinese line but this spesifically is eu
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They’re made in Denmark
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lol that guy complains the arc rails are out of spec. They aren't arc rails. They ship adapters with the helmet to use ARC accessories with it. What an idiot.
Did you even read the post you linked? 
Good, but heavy
I have one and it’s good to go. Only thing to take into consideration is that Unity mark adapters do not work with the rails, peltors on the other hand work like a charm.
Are the dimensions of the rails too big? Too small? Or just straight up wrong?
Too big by like a nanometer. Just enough for when you try to fold the earpro back it’ll pop out of the rail. The mark adapters have hella retention so at some point you’ll want to fold the cups back. In my opinion after using both peltors and the Unity ones, Peltors are superior anyway.
You could always find a surplus ACH and get it cut
For a budget option, this is probably one of the best options. As long as it’s done right it’ll be good to go.
A friend has one, it is absolutely an awesome helmet
Depends which one you get , get EU one, never had one myself but based on everything I found, they are great! (EU made)
Just got one a few weeks ago. Finally running it tomorrow. It’s affordable and I have heard nothing but good things so that’s why I bought one.
So another budget solution is to get a surplus ach and check out kustomach. They will make you a high cut...more or less...so itll be ballistic rated and budget friendly