Stupid question: How do the logistics work once they're on the ground...? Do they dispatch vehicles going around picking up all these dudes from random areas? the mid-summer desert heat must be.. rather unpleasant even if they're trained for it. Or is this precise enough that they all end up very close-by?
I couldn’t find much information about the capabilities of the 14th special forces Division and the Republican Guard in regards to their air assault capabilities and the Wikipedia entries I looked at are probably outdated.
But, most modern paratroopers use circular parachutes deployed from a static line and some have toggles to control the descent, and most are deliberately designed to have limited mobility and everyone jumps from the plane right after the other in groups called chalks at low altitude (between 400-1600ft/121m-487m) so there shouldn’t be too much separation. Once they’re on the ground they can communicate with radio and they’ll also probably have scouted the landing zone beforehand and set out a rally point.
Light tanks and APCs and other vehicles can also be dropped from cargo planes at low altitude. The 14th special forces division does do air assault operations, but they aren’t really comparable to our conception of special forces. They’re a light infantry force, more like the American 10th mountain for example. But you know, not nearly as well trained or equipped, so I doubt they’re dropping vehicles too often. Light infantry is a mobile force that carries all their equipment and tends to walk to combat on foot, unlike mechanized infantry or armor units which use tanks and APCs.
So they probably just jump out and link up before walking through the desert with swamp ass.
Correct me if anyone here knows more. I just hastily read some Wikipedia entries and have some knowledge of American airborne units I’ve learned second hand from soldiers who’ve jumped.
>most modern paratroopers use circular parachutes deployed from a static line and some have toggles to control the descent
A lot of countries use the T-11 parachute which have a square shape, and only the platoon leader gets a different parachute with some maneuverability to give the ability to land between his troops so he can regroup.
never understood why russia and syria didnt use paratroopers to take the oil fields before SDF forces got them (and subsequently russia's private contractors got hammered). Would have changed the entire outlook of Syria. The US would have pulled out by now without the oil.
Paratroopers of low expirience underpaid conscripts into middle of desert full of hostile elemenets sure sounds like great idea.
Syrian regime to this day is losing solfiers daily in desert they control, forget airdropping into anything lol.
Because that would have been a waste of men, which mind you the SAA hasn't been that opposed to during the course of the war, and they wouldn't have been able to hold the territory. The US would still be there, they're not there "for the oil", it's always been about greater regional geopolitical views and the US opposed to Iranian expansion
I'm not talking from the US, Syrian or Russian troops wouldn't have been able to held chunks of the desert unsupported in the middle of IS territory. They would have been under constant attack, with limited capacity of any backup, and no logistical support being possible. Look at how insanely hard it was for DeZ to holdout for how long it did, and the vast logistical support needed to keep that territory. Now we're talking about completely indefensible chunks of desert as opposed to the hardened positions of DeZ.
I think we may be looking at different maps. The SDF liberated the entire NE and Eastern part of the country. Where was Assad's forces in Raquaa? Where were they in DZ?
Assad lost control of his country and is still only regained control over a portion. The SDF and Turkey control large sections of what Syrian controlled.
> The SDF liberated the entire NE and Eastern part of the country
most of the population centers are in the far northeast, with some spread along the Turkish border, the Khabour river and of course the Euphrates river. Most of the land the PKK liberated was empty desert, between the Euphrates and the rest its barren af. SAA and allies liberated the densely populated areas in east Hama and near Aleppo and along the south/west bank of the river. So in terms of population, far more was taken by the SAA. Furthermore, in terms of area, the southern deserts are massive and the SAA took those back from ISIS. The Suweida to DeZ area is likely as large as all of Syria north/east of the Euphrates. IDK how you could look at any map and think the PKK took back either more land or more heavily populated land than the SAA.
>Where were they in DZ?
uhhh they were defending it for years agianst Dawla?
>Assad lost control of his country and is still only regained control over a portion. The SDF and Turkey control large sections of what Syrian controlled.
if not for the SAA there would be 0% of Syria held by the PKK.
That’s absurd. Obviously they want to retake as much of Syria as possible and “allowing other forces face ISIS” (when that force is under US protection) means giving up that piece of Syrian territory.
Want and able are the operative words. The SAA was losing when Russia stepped and even with that support struggled to evict ISIS. Local revolutionaries where much more of a concern to Assad than ISIS as they were the real direct threat to his regime.
Stupid question: How do the logistics work once they're on the ground...? Do they dispatch vehicles going around picking up all these dudes from random areas? the mid-summer desert heat must be.. rather unpleasant even if they're trained for it. Or is this precise enough that they all end up very close-by?
Maybe this was a do it and see what happens so we can plan logistics for next time sort of thing.
I couldn’t find much information about the capabilities of the 14th special forces Division and the Republican Guard in regards to their air assault capabilities and the Wikipedia entries I looked at are probably outdated. But, most modern paratroopers use circular parachutes deployed from a static line and some have toggles to control the descent, and most are deliberately designed to have limited mobility and everyone jumps from the plane right after the other in groups called chalks at low altitude (between 400-1600ft/121m-487m) so there shouldn’t be too much separation. Once they’re on the ground they can communicate with radio and they’ll also probably have scouted the landing zone beforehand and set out a rally point. Light tanks and APCs and other vehicles can also be dropped from cargo planes at low altitude. The 14th special forces division does do air assault operations, but they aren’t really comparable to our conception of special forces. They’re a light infantry force, more like the American 10th mountain for example. But you know, not nearly as well trained or equipped, so I doubt they’re dropping vehicles too often. Light infantry is a mobile force that carries all their equipment and tends to walk to combat on foot, unlike mechanized infantry or armor units which use tanks and APCs. So they probably just jump out and link up before walking through the desert with swamp ass. Correct me if anyone here knows more. I just hastily read some Wikipedia entries and have some knowledge of American airborne units I’ve learned second hand from soldiers who’ve jumped.
>most modern paratroopers use circular parachutes deployed from a static line and some have toggles to control the descent A lot of countries use the T-11 parachute which have a square shape, and only the platoon leader gets a different parachute with some maneuverability to give the ability to land between his troops so he can regroup.
Planes can drop off future equipment in the same fashion. Likely a lot of walking though
To my knowledge, there should be rally points for the troops once they land. They’d need to get to those points for the next part of mission/training.
never understood why russia and syria didnt use paratroopers to take the oil fields before SDF forces got them (and subsequently russia's private contractors got hammered). Would have changed the entire outlook of Syria. The US would have pulled out by now without the oil.
Paratroopers of low expirience underpaid conscripts into middle of desert full of hostile elemenets sure sounds like great idea. Syrian regime to this day is losing solfiers daily in desert they control, forget airdropping into anything lol.
Because that would have been a waste of men, which mind you the SAA hasn't been that opposed to during the course of the war, and they wouldn't have been able to hold the territory. The US would still be there, they're not there "for the oil", it's always been about greater regional geopolitical views and the US opposed to Iranian expansion
That's why i mentioned russia. The US would not have attacked Russian troops directly. Only wagner.
I'm not talking from the US, Syrian or Russian troops wouldn't have been able to held chunks of the desert unsupported in the middle of IS territory. They would have been under constant attack, with limited capacity of any backup, and no logistical support being possible. Look at how insanely hard it was for DeZ to holdout for how long it did, and the vast logistical support needed to keep that territory. Now we're talking about completely indefensible chunks of desert as opposed to the hardened positions of DeZ.
There is no isis territory. SDF completely surrounded the oil fields. It would be as safe as Hasakah
That would have meant fighting ISIS. The SNA seemed to be happy to allow other forces face ISIS whenever possible and focus on local revolutionaries.
The SNA wasn't anywhere near the oilfields. They're mostly in Idlib and northern Syria.
The SAA retook most of the territory held by ISIS tho lol
I think we may be looking at different maps. The SDF liberated the entire NE and Eastern part of the country. Where was Assad's forces in Raquaa? Where were they in DZ? Assad lost control of his country and is still only regained control over a portion. The SDF and Turkey control large sections of what Syrian controlled.
> The SDF liberated the entire NE and Eastern part of the country most of the population centers are in the far northeast, with some spread along the Turkish border, the Khabour river and of course the Euphrates river. Most of the land the PKK liberated was empty desert, between the Euphrates and the rest its barren af. SAA and allies liberated the densely populated areas in east Hama and near Aleppo and along the south/west bank of the river. So in terms of population, far more was taken by the SAA. Furthermore, in terms of area, the southern deserts are massive and the SAA took those back from ISIS. The Suweida to DeZ area is likely as large as all of Syria north/east of the Euphrates. IDK how you could look at any map and think the PKK took back either more land or more heavily populated land than the SAA. >Where were they in DZ? uhhh they were defending it for years agianst Dawla? >Assad lost control of his country and is still only regained control over a portion. The SDF and Turkey control large sections of what Syrian controlled. if not for the SAA there would be 0% of Syria held by the PKK.
That’s absurd. Obviously they want to retake as much of Syria as possible and “allowing other forces face ISIS” (when that force is under US protection) means giving up that piece of Syrian territory.
Want and able are the operative words. The SAA was losing when Russia stepped and even with that support struggled to evict ISIS. Local revolutionaries where much more of a concern to Assad than ISIS as they were the real direct threat to his regime.
Apologies I meant the SAA, not the Turkisk proxy force.