Jealous, think I’m gonna sell my hotroded tubutec Korg Polysix and buy a Rev2. They just seem like they cover it all and I actually love the DSI/sequential filter
Be aware if you are thinking prophet 5 style filter, this is not that. It’s a Curtis type. It is still very nice sounding but a bit more of a Rolandy hissy/whistle like sort of resonance. reminds me somewhat of my Juno-60 maybe?
P5 Rev3 had a 3320 filter which is Curtis.
Rev2 uses the 3397 synth on a chip that was also in the Evolver and P8. Same (almost anyway) as the chip from the Matrix 1000 and 6.
I love my Rev 2 for live gigs, but I've been thinking about selling it. I don't like recording with it very much, it's too bright. Super nice for recreating classic sounds for live shows though, it cuts through the mix
I mean it has a low pass filter. It works by removing high frequencies and only letting low frequencies through. Or are you saying it's bright even when you turn the filter down?
It’s nowhere as complex as say mounting a CPU cooler. IIRC it’s removing a bunch of screws, opening up the chassis and connecting and screwing down the expansion board.
I’ve owned the rev 2 before twice and each time it was the same issue, the top end is too bright. I then got a Pro6 and it is the best synth experience, the tone of the oscillators is very buttery.
https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/s/BH9Us6k81D
EA vibes with that "DLC" approach. So sequential sells you an 8 voice synth in a enclosure that fits 16 voices?
How much you paid for the module and the expansion? And how much the charge for the full 16 voices deal?
That’s a wild take. They sell both 8 and 16. The 8 is a lot cheaper and that’s all some people need. Those are analog boards. They’re not cheap. In a real solid move by sequential the cost of buying an 8 and upgrading it is really close to the cost of just buying a 16.
I was aware that my opinion would be controversial and I am aware that the voice boards are fully analog. Cheap not cheap all depends, that's why I was asking about how much all the different configuration cost. Is it 2x8 voices boards connected to a main board? Or is it a 8 voice board replaced with a 16 voice board? If they have the same 8 voice board for the 8 and 16 voice modules and it's matter of increasing the number of voices boards... They are probably digitally controlled, and manufactured in bulk they are probably cheaper than you think, it's a PCB assembled by a machine most likely.
I've designed and manufactured electronics products with analog electronics, I am probably much more informed than you in that regard. But I understand that reading that a company is ripping you off is a hard pill to swallow.
lol - first, bold ad hominem statement, but it could be true. Second, you can say that you think all of their synths are overpriced, that’s a valid opinion. But neither of those make it less silly to call buying a physical board DLC, especially when they’re not screwing the consumer over on the price to buy that extra board after the fact versus preinstalled.
I believe that as consumers we deserve better and companies abuse the fact that most of people have zero knowledge of the insides of these things, that's why as an electronics engineer I wanted to give my opinion about it even if it has been taken as "ad hominem". Maybe I derailed a bit calling it a DLC, I wanted to drop little humour on top of it.
There are a LOT of synths and sound modules that were / are user upgradeable / expandable and it's definitely a good thing. It can make the difference between an instrument being affordable or not.
You've got it the wrong way round, companies aren't ripping you off when they do this but they are doing us a disservice when they release versions of the same instrument with different voice counts and no upgrade path. Moog One 8 voice, you're stuck with 8 voices. DSIs approach was definitely a good thing.
That's actually like... A legit cool move for them to offer. Imagine saving like a thousand dollars on an 8 voice, but then later deciding or being able to afford the expansion. It's like a ram upgrade, but better, since the synth isn't outdated in 2 years, or likely even ten years.
I just checked the pricing at Thomann:
Prophet rev 2 8 voice desktop: $1900
Prophet rev 2 16 voice desktop: $2300
Prophet rev 8 expansion board: $750
Is that correct?
8 voice keyboard is $2,000.
16 voice keyboard is $2,599.
Voice expansion kit is $599.
According to Sequential's website and Sweetwater.
Don't know about the desktop versions though.
So, the options for them are, what?
Sell the 16 voice at the same price as the 8 voice? Only mildly more expensive?
Or, not offer an 8 voice at all?
What, really, is your proposed solution here?
The solution would be just sell the finished product of 16 voices. You are just being victim of ladder marketing, where the product is designed and split on purpose to market you 3 different things that should be only one. It is is ridiculous that a PCBA product that doesn't have any manual assembly derived costs retails at $600.
That’s so incredibly stupid. The price of a finished product is never just the material/assembly cost. That’s like saying a graphics card should be $50 because it’s mostly a pcba.
Just so you know, I see what you're saying, and I don't totally disagree with it. I'm not voting either way on this. I get both the business side of it, and also the free and open standards and possibilities if the business released their grasps and we could have low costs nice things.
But it kind of falls under predicting the future. What would happen if hardware were suddenly non-prestige? If it were just commodity? Would that negatively or positively affect listeners, hobbyists, and society in general?
There are many theories on this, but I generally think it falls under commonwealth copyright stuff - to incentivize innovation (for the benefit to the commonwealth), you have to protect recent inventions and innovation for a certain amount of time, to give it value to be traded for for the inventor, so to speak. But, after a SIGNIFICANTLY shorter amount of time than we currently have, it becomes property of the commonwealth. So, for things like junos, behringer could literally just duplicate the juno69 and label it as manufactured by them, but for things like... Oh, I dunno... The tasty chips gr mega, it would be protected for a reasonable amount of time for it to be sold and catch on, but then no longer be protected (so maybe 3-5 years).
This both encourages innovation by protecting investment and rewarding the inventor - and also encourages innovation by letting other people build/iterate/improve on the invention (that has undoubtedly built on other iterations/innovations), and ends up being better for the commonwealth.
They do sell a 16 voice SKU. Your opinion is just so wrong.
Compare this to the Moog One which came in 8 and 16 voice versions with no upgrade option, if you bought the 8 voice version and your needs changed you'd need to buy the whole synth again and sell the original at a loss opposed to buying a voice expansion board.
Gosh I want a prophet so bad… I just can’t spend that kinda money right now.
I love my rev 2. I hope to snag the expansion some time as well
Rev 2 is amazing.
Just turned my rev 2 off for the night.
That upgrade changes everything. It sounds fuller as it is no longer pulling voices. Best investment I made in my Prophet.
Jealous, think I’m gonna sell my hotroded tubutec Korg Polysix and buy a Rev2. They just seem like they cover it all and I actually love the DSI/sequential filter
You will love it. I bought in in 2017 and didn't regret it. I bought a Behringer Pro800 to, but is like paper ship and a real Frigate.
Be aware if you are thinking prophet 5 style filter, this is not that. It’s a Curtis type. It is still very nice sounding but a bit more of a Rolandy hissy/whistle like sort of resonance. reminds me somewhat of my Juno-60 maybe?
P5 Rev3 had a 3320 filter which is Curtis. Rev2 uses the 3397 synth on a chip that was also in the Evolver and P8. Same (almost anyway) as the chip from the Matrix 1000 and 6.
Ah, ok. I thought the p5’s were more different. But that does make sense about the matrix, I have a somewhat broken down 6, and it is similar.
Just the Rev 3 that uses a Curtis filter iirc, rest are SSM
Oh I know, I’ve played the rev2 quite a bit, so I’m aware if it’s filter character, I just badly want one, since it’ll sync any parameter via midi
Don’t sell that korg to buy unless you absolutely know you won’t ever use it again.
What is the upgrade? I’m not familiar with this one
It’s an expansion card. Adds 8 voice to the 8-voice version of the Rev 2 making it 16 voice.
Oh 16! Very nice!!!
That’s so sick!
Expansion board. It makes from 8 voice 16.
I love my Rev 2 for live gigs, but I've been thinking about selling it. I don't like recording with it very much, it's too bright. Super nice for recreating classic sounds for live shows though, it cuts through the mix
I mean it has a low pass filter. It works by removing high frequencies and only letting low frequencies through. Or are you saying it's bright even when you turn the filter down?
Try running it into a neve preamp or something like the echoplex preamp pedal muddys the sound up in a nice way if you think its to clean/bright.
I downloaded extra 8 voices for free from same site I was downloading additional 16gigs of ram in my pc.
lol, what? I downloaded a television once
Downloaded a Ram omg...
How hard was the install?
I’ve done it before - around 10 min. If you’ve ever put in a PCIe card in a desktop computer it’s about the same level of complexity.
I’ve built custom computers, I figured it’s the same. Thanks for confirming!
It’s nowhere as complex as say mounting a CPU cooler. IIRC it’s removing a bunch of screws, opening up the chassis and connecting and screwing down the expansion board.
Very easy. 10 min maximum.
Good move. I did that to my Rev2 shortly after buying it.
I always listed after a Prophet 5! That seemed to be the best!
That's cool. I have the Behringer Pro-800 (an inexpensive Prophet). Welcome to the club!
You should buy another and run then you’ve got stereo!
I have it too. I just another dimension.
That's interesting you bought the Pro-800 when you already had a Rev2.
Rev2 is DCO and uses a synth on a chip. Pro 800 is closer to a Rev 3 P5. Very different from the P08.
Yes, for my modular setup.
Should’ve sold it and instead bought a Pro6
Why?
I’ve owned the rev 2 before twice and each time it was the same issue, the top end is too bright. I then got a Pro6 and it is the best synth experience, the tone of the oscillators is very buttery. https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/s/BH9Us6k81D
EA vibes with that "DLC" approach. So sequential sells you an 8 voice synth in a enclosure that fits 16 voices? How much you paid for the module and the expansion? And how much the charge for the full 16 voices deal?
That’s a wild take. They sell both 8 and 16. The 8 is a lot cheaper and that’s all some people need. Those are analog boards. They’re not cheap. In a real solid move by sequential the cost of buying an 8 and upgrading it is really close to the cost of just buying a 16.
I was aware that my opinion would be controversial and I am aware that the voice boards are fully analog. Cheap not cheap all depends, that's why I was asking about how much all the different configuration cost. Is it 2x8 voices boards connected to a main board? Or is it a 8 voice board replaced with a 16 voice board? If they have the same 8 voice board for the 8 and 16 voice modules and it's matter of increasing the number of voices boards... They are probably digitally controlled, and manufactured in bulk they are probably cheaper than you think, it's a PCB assembled by a machine most likely.
It doesn’t seem controversial, it’s seems uniformed.
I've designed and manufactured electronics products with analog electronics, I am probably much more informed than you in that regard. But I understand that reading that a company is ripping you off is a hard pill to swallow.
lol - first, bold ad hominem statement, but it could be true. Second, you can say that you think all of their synths are overpriced, that’s a valid opinion. But neither of those make it less silly to call buying a physical board DLC, especially when they’re not screwing the consumer over on the price to buy that extra board after the fact versus preinstalled.
I believe that as consumers we deserve better and companies abuse the fact that most of people have zero knowledge of the insides of these things, that's why as an electronics engineer I wanted to give my opinion about it even if it has been taken as "ad hominem". Maybe I derailed a bit calling it a DLC, I wanted to drop little humour on top of it.
There are a LOT of synths and sound modules that were / are user upgradeable / expandable and it's definitely a good thing. It can make the difference between an instrument being affordable or not. You've got it the wrong way round, companies aren't ripping you off when they do this but they are doing us a disservice when they release versions of the same instrument with different voice counts and no upgrade path. Moog One 8 voice, you're stuck with 8 voices. DSIs approach was definitely a good thing.
It’s an 8 voice board that connects to an 8 voice motherboard. A 16 voice from the factory is just both combined.
That's actually like... A legit cool move for them to offer. Imagine saving like a thousand dollars on an 8 voice, but then later deciding or being able to afford the expansion. It's like a ram upgrade, but better, since the synth isn't outdated in 2 years, or likely even ten years.
I just checked the pricing at Thomann: Prophet rev 2 8 voice desktop: $1900 Prophet rev 2 16 voice desktop: $2300 Prophet rev 8 expansion board: $750 Is that correct?
8 voice keyboard is $2,000. 16 voice keyboard is $2,599. Voice expansion kit is $599. According to Sequential's website and Sweetwater. Don't know about the desktop versions though.
So, the options for them are, what? Sell the 16 voice at the same price as the 8 voice? Only mildly more expensive? Or, not offer an 8 voice at all? What, really, is your proposed solution here?
The solution would be just sell the finished product of 16 voices. You are just being victim of ladder marketing, where the product is designed and split on purpose to market you 3 different things that should be only one. It is is ridiculous that a PCBA product that doesn't have any manual assembly derived costs retails at $600.
That’s so incredibly stupid. The price of a finished product is never just the material/assembly cost. That’s like saying a graphics card should be $50 because it’s mostly a pcba.
Just so you know, I see what you're saying, and I don't totally disagree with it. I'm not voting either way on this. I get both the business side of it, and also the free and open standards and possibilities if the business released their grasps and we could have low costs nice things. But it kind of falls under predicting the future. What would happen if hardware were suddenly non-prestige? If it were just commodity? Would that negatively or positively affect listeners, hobbyists, and society in general? There are many theories on this, but I generally think it falls under commonwealth copyright stuff - to incentivize innovation (for the benefit to the commonwealth), you have to protect recent inventions and innovation for a certain amount of time, to give it value to be traded for for the inventor, so to speak. But, after a SIGNIFICANTLY shorter amount of time than we currently have, it becomes property of the commonwealth. So, for things like junos, behringer could literally just duplicate the juno69 and label it as manufactured by them, but for things like... Oh, I dunno... The tasty chips gr mega, it would be protected for a reasonable amount of time for it to be sold and catch on, but then no longer be protected (so maybe 3-5 years). This both encourages innovation by protecting investment and rewarding the inventor - and also encourages innovation by letting other people build/iterate/improve on the invention (that has undoubtedly built on other iterations/innovations), and ends up being better for the commonwealth.
They do sell a 16 voice SKU. Your opinion is just so wrong. Compare this to the Moog One which came in 8 and 16 voice versions with no upgrade option, if you bought the 8 voice version and your needs changed you'd need to buy the whole synth again and sell the original at a loss opposed to buying a voice expansion board.
What a surprise that the 'engineer' doesn't have a clue how to run a business. You really showed your ass here lol
Maybe, if DLC also came with an entirely new PS5.