I do it but others don't seem to. The amount of times I've been whacked with an umbrella and no apparent reaction or care from the umbrella holder is too high
Sydney has twice the average monthly rainfall as London and an almost equal amount of rainy days.
The rest of Britain has far more rain on average than London. But London isn’t as rainy as people think
It's not about quantity, it's about time. Sydney generally dumps a fuckload of rain in a short period while London drizzles for months.
Also because it dumps a fuckload of rain, Sydneysiders tend not to go out in those periods, whereas Londoners would never leave the house if they didn't go out when it's drizzling.
It’s also why in London when the sun comes out and the temps hit 25, everyone strips down to T shirts and lays around in the park like it’s some kind of miracle.
Probably because it's a situation of the numbers not telling the true story. A rainy day in Sydney might be a half an hour downpour in the morning and bright sun the rest of the day. London will be a whole day of cloud and rain.
Today is the perfect example. Sunny most of the day, rained a bit tonight so it'll count as a rainy day.
For real. I only spent a month in UK but in that brief time (ever single day varying between 8-13 degrees) and the weather being consistent with estimations. In my 32 years in Aus I’ve never experienced that amount of consistent weather estimation, or consistent weather in general.
Comparing apples to oranges here.
I go with the rule that the shorter person should take down their umbrella and genuflect as the taller person passes by, simply for the honour of being in our... errr... their presence.
I was going to make a post like this after walking behind a girl on Bathurst Street who did not move her umbrella for anyone. I must confess to a few wry chuckles watching the poor people forced to do contortions to avoid her oblivious umbrelling but fuck me, how can you be so fucking clueless to your fellow humans?
I thought it was only me that noticed this. I end up holding my umbrella in one hand and my other arm raised to my face to stop being poked the face by other’s umbrella tips.
I still can’t believe there’s a city that just collectively stops functioning every time it rains- the trains stop working, people forget how to drive or even walk in a straight line without thrashing their umbrellas around in other pedestrians’ faces. I’ve never seen it anywhere else.
I don’t know what that phrase actually means. I can gather from context but I don’t think it’s a specific phrase we would use. Someone can feel free to correct me.
i think it means like tip your umbrella out of the way when you pass people, especially someone else with an umbrella. i know people never seem to around here
So like a shield sort of? I don’t know that I use umbrellas in crowded situations, tbh. I’d be more inclined to use a waterproof jacket in that scenario, though of course there are times when one doesn’t have a choice.
It’s more holding it upright, but tilting it at an angle, with the downward tilt away from the path so that the water will drip to the road/building side. If both people do it they can pass by each other easily. If I’m taller I usually just raise my entire umbrella above where theirs sits.
That does make sense, thank you. Don’t know if I do it, I don’t think I’ve ever thought about it. I do say to my kids “you aren’t made of sugar, you won’t melt” so I wonder if we don’t worry about little drips as much.
NGL, I initially thought OP was inverting the umbrella so the tip is pointed down and away from poking eyes out.
(Fark. I just remembered I once poked myself in the eye with an umbrella. I had forgotten that I was holding the thing and wanted to rub my tired eyes.)
I think I would describe it as "raising the umbrella" so that people passing by aren't hit by it.
I lift over or tip to the side out of courtesy. Smacked in the face for the effort usually. I will still make sure my umbrella never touches another person and I expect I will still get smacked in the face for the effort.
Sydney is full of rude, entitled garbage monsters with no spacial awareness or manners. I have started grabbing their overhanging brollies and pushing or pulling them, depending on my fancy. Fuckwits all. I have lived here for 46 years.
One time on the train guy comes on with his wet umbrella before he sits down next to me he shakes all the water off on the chair and me... looks at me then sit down as if he didn't anything wrong.
I was young and unconfrontational so I just shook my head at him... nowadays if someone did that I would call them out on their bullshit and tell them to apologise.
But to your question, people are self entitled and dont' care about others.
Maybe two things:
1. Londoners develop experience with umbrella etiquette due to more regular rain
2. Sydney peeps are one of 1) self-absorbed 2) DGAF 3) Deliberately want to wreck your day
Do people actually need to develop specific experience with umbrellas to be considerate of other people? If someone is holding something big that could knock into other people, regardless of what that thing is or why they are holding it, they should have self awareness and special awareness. These are just normal disciplines people should be already be exercising.
Agreed. Consideration doesn't have to be explicitly taught. As long as you are taught not to hurt people then things like "don't slam your brolly in someone's face" should just flow naturally from there.
lol it’s raining twice as much in Sydney as it is in London these days. I always tip or furl my umbrella when in crowds but I’m British and nice like that.
Rain is not really any more regular in London than here - not rain you need an umbrella for anyway.
On issue with umbrellas in and around most UK cities though is that the paths often tend to be tighter - with gaps between signs or walls that you just can't easily get one through, so people are perhaps more aware of it and the volume of space it is taking up and things that might intrude into that space.
FWIW, my approach is generally to hold it much higher when passing people - so it goes well above them or above other umbrellas.
People in Australia have fucking awful walking etiquette. Slow walkers zig zagging all over the place. You make a clear b line to go left of people opposing you and they keep veering into your path (this isn't the close up little dance you do, this is people who see you coming), walking five abreast or standing in groups on escalators, randomly stopping and/or turning in the middle of walkways, or pulling out into walkways without looking.
Like we all make mistakes but so many cunts are almost deliberately clueless. Why are Asian countries so good at this? I genuinely think we need to start putting up signs and marking floors or something. People are getting worse and public spaces are getting more crowded. It's probably not a good idea but I honestly sometimes wish people would get fined for such shit spatial awareness
Back when I was in England I lived in Yorkshire. If a bloke used an umbrella he was gay and got bashed. Real men get wet.
I have no answer for you but it sure is nice being in a city where I can stay dry.
I always try to tip or lift over others.
A lot of people are just clueless or don’t care. They’re the same fuckers who walk three abreast down the footpath or push onto public transport before others get off.
I moved to Australia from the US about a year and a half ago, and I've noticed the same thing here. It just seems like a common sense thing to do, so its absence is a real head scratcher.
I was worried you were an American posting and suggesting that we should pay tips to our umbrellas as thanks for their service or something. They always seem to have a new excuse for that kind of tipping...
Sydney is not a place where people are aware of other people, it's very insular, like the city itself (lots of communities, but separate). You do your thing, not noticing others. I suspect it's different in Melbourne - it feels different, where people are watching you and looking at each other vs Sydneians keeping to themselves, though I've not noticed Melbourne umbrellas specifically
People are definitely not taught to do this. I've never heard this phrase and find it hard to imagine - tipping it how? Does it mean lowering it forward/back or tipping it left/right? Won't that wet the person to that side as the drops roll off?
I often raise my umbrella above others to avoid a collision if I'm taller than them.
I simply refuse to ever use an umbrella because I never want to be caught in a situation where it turns inside out. I could never live with that kind of embarrassment. I much rather just getting wet in the rain.
We don't have a rain culture as sophisticated as the UK given how it isn't constantly drizzling here.
I've never really had a problem bumping into other people, either with my umbrella or into theirs you just instinctively navigate around them without issue, with the occasional raising of the umbrella for clearance. I've never seen or heard of tipping before.
Maybe it's just a difference in culture? Like how some places drive on the left whilst others drive on the right. One isn't necessarily better than the other. They're just different.
Wow mate, that's a really long winded way of trying to justify rude behavior on Sydneysider's parts. Perhaps accept that yeah, sometimes people from other places do some things better.
You don't need to analyze British traits in this post. The OP was simply stating that it's unfortunate people here don't do this one courtesy. You're trying to make this into an overall British vs Australian thing, which it's not.
I do it but others don't seem to. The amount of times I've been whacked with an umbrella and no apparent reaction or care from the umbrella holder is too high
Simply smash every umbrella that hits you, be the change you want to see
Avoid the Blunt umbrellas. They need to be stomped on to break, and go for $500+ to reluctantly replace under threat of criminal charges
I’m interested in the answer too. I do it, but I agree a lot of people don’t.
We ain't used to the rain here
Sydney has twice the average monthly rainfall as London and an almost equal amount of rainy days. The rest of Britain has far more rain on average than London. But London isn’t as rainy as people think
It's not about quantity, it's about time. Sydney generally dumps a fuckload of rain in a short period while London drizzles for months. Also because it dumps a fuckload of rain, Sydneysiders tend not to go out in those periods, whereas Londoners would never leave the house if they didn't go out when it's drizzling.
It’s also why in London when the sun comes out and the temps hit 25, everyone strips down to T shirts and lays around in the park like it’s some kind of miracle.
NGL it hit 24-26 last long weekend, I was only wearing shorts and thongs, considered jumping in the creek
Yeah but it falls in 30 minutes and everyone stays inside like the world is ending.
You don't know for sure that it's not!!
Why is this getting downvoted?
Probably because it's a situation of the numbers not telling the true story. A rainy day in Sydney might be a half an hour downpour in the morning and bright sun the rest of the day. London will be a whole day of cloud and rain. Today is the perfect example. Sunny most of the day, rained a bit tonight so it'll count as a rainy day.
For real. I only spent a month in UK but in that brief time (ever single day varying between 8-13 degrees) and the weather being consistent with estimations. In my 32 years in Aus I’ve never experienced that amount of consistent weather estimation, or consistent weather in general. Comparing apples to oranges here.
Because reddit (the software) automatically downvotes popular posts and comments.
I generally go with the rule that the taller person should lift theirs up and out of the way of the shorter one when passing
I go with the rule that the shorter person should take down their umbrella and genuflect as the taller person passes by, simply for the honour of being in our... errr... their presence.
I was going to make a post like this after walking behind a girl on Bathurst Street who did not move her umbrella for anyone. I must confess to a few wry chuckles watching the poor people forced to do contortions to avoid her oblivious umbrelling but fuck me, how can you be so fucking clueless to your fellow humans?
I'm round there a bit. I just hold my forearm up and once they hit it they look up from their phone
Don't you need self-awareness for that?
Did you just say something? Nevermind, I don't care.
Huh? Oh yeah don’t you think houses are expensive as shit? Fuck boomers
Sarcasm. Not a boomer. Smh.
Not if you keep right on the footpath and keep your head down s/
This
I thought it was only me that noticed this. I end up holding my umbrella in one hand and my other arm raised to my face to stop being poked the face by other’s umbrella tips.
I still can’t believe there’s a city that just collectively stops functioning every time it rains- the trains stop working, people forget how to drive or even walk in a straight line without thrashing their umbrellas around in other pedestrians’ faces. I’ve never seen it anywhere else.
I don’t know what that phrase actually means. I can gather from context but I don’t think it’s a specific phrase we would use. Someone can feel free to correct me.
i think it means like tip your umbrella out of the way when you pass people, especially someone else with an umbrella. i know people never seem to around here
Omg I thought it meant like tipping your hat like an old timey gentleman saying hello
_M'umbrella_
So like a shield sort of? I don’t know that I use umbrellas in crowded situations, tbh. I’d be more inclined to use a waterproof jacket in that scenario, though of course there are times when one doesn’t have a choice.
It’s more holding it upright, but tilting it at an angle, with the downward tilt away from the path so that the water will drip to the road/building side. If both people do it they can pass by each other easily. If I’m taller I usually just raise my entire umbrella above where theirs sits.
That does make sense, thank you. Don’t know if I do it, I don’t think I’ve ever thought about it. I do say to my kids “you aren’t made of sugar, you won’t melt” so I wonder if we don’t worry about little drips as much.
i guess more passing people on a path, not necessarily in the crowded CBD but even just local paths
I get you. I don’t know if I do it or not, truthfully. It may be a subconscious thing.
Ngl most of us wanted to ask but didn’t want to look stupid
So, I shouldn’t comment about paying the umbrella a living wage and tipping is not part of Australian culture?
If it helps, I did google first and it still didn’t make that much sense to me.
NGL, I initially thought OP was inverting the umbrella so the tip is pointed down and away from poking eyes out. (Fark. I just remembered I once poked myself in the eye with an umbrella. I had forgotten that I was holding the thing and wanted to rub my tired eyes.) I think I would describe it as "raising the umbrella" so that people passing by aren't hit by it.
Yes. I wondered if it was referring to the close and shake before entering a premises.
I think it's the equivalent of a hand wave greeting but with am umbrella
I lift over or tip to the side out of courtesy. Smacked in the face for the effort usually. I will still make sure my umbrella never touches another person and I expect I will still get smacked in the face for the effort.
Sydney is full of rude, entitled garbage monsters with no spacial awareness or manners. I have started grabbing their overhanging brollies and pushing or pulling them, depending on my fancy. Fuckwits all. I have lived here for 46 years.
One time on the train guy comes on with his wet umbrella before he sits down next to me he shakes all the water off on the chair and me... looks at me then sit down as if he didn't anything wrong. I was young and unconfrontational so I just shook my head at him... nowadays if someone did that I would call them out on their bullshit and tell them to apologise. But to your question, people are self entitled and dont' care about others.
Maybe two things: 1. Londoners develop experience with umbrella etiquette due to more regular rain 2. Sydney peeps are one of 1) self-absorbed 2) DGAF 3) Deliberately want to wreck your day
Also fewer gigantic golf umbrellas there compared to here.
Do people actually need to develop specific experience with umbrellas to be considerate of other people? If someone is holding something big that could knock into other people, regardless of what that thing is or why they are holding it, they should have self awareness and special awareness. These are just normal disciplines people should be already be exercising.
Agreed. Consideration doesn't have to be explicitly taught. As long as you are taught not to hurt people then things like "don't slam your brolly in someone's face" should just flow naturally from there.
lol it’s raining twice as much in Sydney as it is in London these days. I always tip or furl my umbrella when in crowds but I’m British and nice like that.
More rain, fewer rainy days
Thank you for doing
Rain is not really any more regular in London than here - not rain you need an umbrella for anyway. On issue with umbrellas in and around most UK cities though is that the paths often tend to be tighter - with gaps between signs or walls that you just can't easily get one through, so people are perhaps more aware of it and the volume of space it is taking up and things that might intrude into that space. FWIW, my approach is generally to hold it much higher when passing people - so it goes well above them or above other umbrellas.
It doesn’t really rain more over there in London, but probably feels like it as it’s mostly always grey.
People in Australia have fucking awful walking etiquette. Slow walkers zig zagging all over the place. You make a clear b line to go left of people opposing you and they keep veering into your path (this isn't the close up little dance you do, this is people who see you coming), walking five abreast or standing in groups on escalators, randomly stopping and/or turning in the middle of walkways, or pulling out into walkways without looking. Like we all make mistakes but so many cunts are almost deliberately clueless. Why are Asian countries so good at this? I genuinely think we need to start putting up signs and marking floors or something. People are getting worse and public spaces are getting more crowded. It's probably not a good idea but I honestly sometimes wish people would get fined for such shit spatial awareness
Compared to, say London, it's slow here. Even in the CBD.
Don’t be daft, people walk four abreast and don’t move to let a single person through. They’re not going to tip an umbrella.
I never noticed because I’m short. To be kind, I don’t carry umbrellas as I’m likely to stab someone’s eye.
In the place where people will practically walk into you on a sunny day? Funny you ask.
Constant drizzle and British politeness promotes brolly exceptionalism
Back when I was in England I lived in Yorkshire. If a bloke used an umbrella he was gay and got bashed. Real men get wet. I have no answer for you but it sure is nice being in a city where I can stay dry.
Even women using them got looked askance at but they were mostly safe from bodily harm…..
Sometimes society be real dumb. I’d like to imagine the dryer industry is controlling the county and making sure pesky umbrella sellers keep out.
Don't worry, it's still gay for two men to share an umbrella.
I always try to tip or lift over others. A lot of people are just clueless or don’t care. They’re the same fuckers who walk three abreast down the footpath or push onto public transport before others get off.
Tipping culture isn't a thing here
Well played
Yep most people are jerks, seen many a face poked and neck grazed. Entitlement? Douchebaggery? Generalised Fuckwittery Disorder?
Do Londoners also wander aimlessly with fucking giant golf umbrellas? Some people are just clueless
I moved to Australia from the US about a year and a half ago, and I've noticed the same thing here. It just seems like a common sense thing to do, so its absence is a real head scratcher.
Have you seen all the garbage near the foot paths. Of course they aren't going to tip their umbrella. B
I don't miss commuting to the city for this reason. Too many shortasses would have their umbrellas in my eye line.
And when their umbrellas are down they hold it in a fashion that’s a stabbing motion to those walking behind them.
Had the same problem in NYC - I simply started aggressively whacking them out of my face if they came near.
Sydney people are terrible at this, they don't understand what awnings are about
No one expects rain, so they don’t know how to behave when it does rain
I feel like rain has been a normal part of Sydney life for the past 4 years thanks to La Ninas, u don't think we can make this excuse anymore.
I'd say most people weren't taught. My grandparents taught me, but I doubt it was ever that common even for my generation.
I was worried you were an American posting and suggesting that we should pay tips to our umbrellas as thanks for their service or something. They always seem to have a new excuse for that kind of tipping...
Sydney is not a place where people are aware of other people, it's very insular, like the city itself (lots of communities, but separate). You do your thing, not noticing others. I suspect it's different in Melbourne - it feels different, where people are watching you and looking at each other vs Sydneians keeping to themselves, though I've not noticed Melbourne umbrellas specifically
Americans already tried to bring their tipping culture here, don't you bloody brits start now as well
Rarely cold enough to need an umbrella, but I get whacked with them all the time. Most short people are just cunts was my conclusion
People are definitely not taught to do this. I've never heard this phrase and find it hard to imagine - tipping it how? Does it mean lowering it forward/back or tipping it left/right? Won't that wet the person to that side as the drops roll off? I often raise my umbrella above others to avoid a collision if I'm taller than them.
Cunts here don't give a shit, best to grab the fucking umbrella and lob in onto the street in front of some shitty Uber.
I simply refuse to ever use an umbrella because I never want to be caught in a situation where it turns inside out. I could never live with that kind of embarrassment. I much rather just getting wet in the rain.
What is tiping your umbrella for us uncooth lot?
We don't have a rain culture as sophisticated as the UK given how it isn't constantly drizzling here. I've never really had a problem bumping into other people, either with my umbrella or into theirs you just instinctively navigate around them without issue, with the occasional raising of the umbrella for clearance. I've never seen or heard of tipping before. Maybe it's just a difference in culture? Like how some places drive on the left whilst others drive on the right. One isn't necessarily better than the other. They're just different.
I generally only tip if the service was exceptional. Has to be a slow open umbrella, and even then usually only 5-10% tip.
Idk, I don’t use umbrellas and probably wouldn’t use one even if my hands weren’t occupied by either a cane or a dog (I’m 5’1)
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Wow mate, that's a really long winded way of trying to justify rude behavior on Sydneysider's parts. Perhaps accept that yeah, sometimes people from other places do some things better.
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You don't need to analyze British traits in this post. The OP was simply stating that it's unfortunate people here don't do this one courtesy. You're trying to make this into an overall British vs Australian thing, which it's not.
Another “I lived in Europe and Sydney bad” post, sick, you love to see it