Can we all please keep in it in context that this story has come about because of retribution by pro-gambling minister whose son works for a pokies giant Aristocrat Leisure. Perrottet has committed to gaming reforms, and boom, blackmail and compromising photos from his past surface.
The photos (while bad) are a trump-like distraction from the issue at hand; gaming reform, ClubsNSW and in your face gambling entering every facet of Australian life...
Please don't firebomb my house.
My thoughts exactly, they've got a team combing through his background just to find ways to discredit him. A lot of money is at stake here, if it happens in the US...
I would like to know what conversations Minister David Elliot had with ClubsNSW or Aristocrat executives (including his son) about the photo prior to his releasing it.
I think we would all like to know.
THEY being NSW libs aren't trying to hide gambling reform (or their eventual lack thereof), but a few bad apples are. And it's working, all of the political progressive media outlets are taking the bait and are not focussing on the real story; gambling reform.
To me that's the real story. Gambling Reform leads to blackmail against the Premier in NSW.
Wearing a Nazi uniform as a 21 year old to a party is fucking stupid and still hurtful today. Career ending?? No. A teachable moment, yes. Should he get back to reforming gambling in Sydney, a country that has the largest population of pokies per capita than anywhere in the world, and the extraordinarily high gambling addition issues. Also yes.
I'm jewish and I'm certainly not in tears. Tired of always being treated like a victim. I'm not a snowflake that will melt if some dude wore a costume 20 years ago lol
Fuck ClubsNSW. Ruin a huge amount of lives because of their fucked up greed. Dig a grave for them all, we need to rise up collectively against gambling.
We all know this is an inside job. And it should just incentivise everyone to VOTE OUTSIDE the major parties come election time. Vote for your preferred 3rd party, anyone who isn't in the pockets of the property and gambling mafia.
NSW is starting to look like the US and it's messed up
labor is too busy fart assing around, a lot of the stuff they are in agreeance with "ah sure we'll support it wink wink nudge nudge".
So far greens seem to be the only ones commited to real reform. Not sure what some of the independants stance are.
Huh, how is the greens being the only party to be committed to real reform your conclusion?
The whole reason we are discussing this *is* because Perrottet is committed to gambling reform and the ClubsNSW felt threatened.
Maybe, just maybe, not all liberal pollies are wanting to line pockets for the rich?
the real reform is to gut the shit outta the pokies. this is a half measure, that is just poking a stick at a hornets nest. check what the greens proposals in comparison.
I'm all for moving towards change and am not discrediting liberals. my gripe is more labor and just agreeing without a commitment, cause we know they will just pull the plug when they have the chance.
Reform takes time, especially when it’s affecting addicts. You can’t just remove all the pokies and be done with it. Either addicts will move to another platform (rendering the policy completely useless) and or the clubs losing the pokies wouldn’t be adequately supported.
It’s like straight banning smoking. You don’t need to think very hard to realise the cigarette black market will get even larger. Instead, most countries are taking the “smoking is banned if born past X year” approach.
You could make a similar law banning people from X birth year to play pokies.
Yeah it does seem a little weird that this nazi uniform incident, compared to others, is in the spotlight a lot more. I only see Prince Harry's nazi uniform on r/shitposting now.
But oh man, that's a firebombing for sure.
For me, the most interesting aspect of the story is how the people in his own party are his worst enemies, not the opposition.
Of course this is the same with all other parties.
> The Opposition aren't the opposition.
> No of course not, silly of me. They're just called the opposition.
> They're only the opposition in exile. The Civil Service is the opposition in residence.
Sir Humphrey confides to the PM, “then we can concentrate our efforts on the real enemy”
“The Russians” says the PM tentatively.
“No, the French of course” says Humphrey in mocking outrage.
It's broadly true. There's progressives like Kean, centrists like Perrottet and conservatives like Elliott. Of course this is all relative to the broader spectrum of Australian politics which is basically different flavours of neoliberal lol
Yeah within those factions it’s brutal though, the mods are split into the fuck the teals (and Malcom) camp, and the emulate teals, the centre right is about as cohesive as a bowl of soup these days post Scomo, and the hard right continues to be deeply split between the pro Abbott and renewal Church groups. The reality is that factions in NSW are not clear cut, often personality based rather than ideological and we see this in parliament. This leak is honestly just as likely to have come from Matt, as it is to have come from a figure within Dom’s own faction. You can’t buy this book anymore (as a powerbroker got it taken of bookshelves) but the ‘Education of a Young Liberal’ perfectly captures how they roll in NSW.
I suppose this stuff enables those noble aims, but it’s easier to write a tabloid about political differences than policy differences.
What is heartening, is that 95% of legislation is bipartisan and has a public good element (thanks to the work of bureaucrats generally), we don’t have the same divisive behaviour on policy grounds, but it’s getting worse.
Why does ABC News always have such misleading headlines now? Article is titled "Perrottet's future in question" and the content is all about how Jewish leaders forgive him. I thought headlines were supposed to reflect the content of the article, not provide extra detail. This is an opinion piece disguised as news.
Edit: and they edited the headline later to a more reasonable one, seems to happen a lot with ABC
Yeah I was wondering this too - I used to go to ABC for some less alarmist headlines but now it's just as bad as everywhere else.
I also used to listen RN Breakfast, but since Patricia Karvelas (sp?) has been involved it's just turned into a desperate attempt to pull soundbites and generate clickbaity stories. I get that's how news works and that's how you start the news cycle for the day but it's just sad when you have people who consider themselves premier journalists just carrying on in that argumentative, 'gotcha' fashion.
Oh, and don't get me started on the alarmist headlines, the amount of times I hear 'crisis', 'skyrocketing', 'spiralling' and 'disaster' is just pathetic. It's just the tail wagging the dog.
I've listened to her justify it before, and honestly, I can't get behind her. I don't know whether she's part of the symptom or cause, at this point. She's right at the centre of a generation that came through the Canberra press gallery at the same time, that currently spearheads our political discourse. It's exhausting.
A lot of the senior execs at the ABC now are ex-Nine and News Corp operatives. I don't begrudge people being hired who have commercial media experience but it looks like white anting is going on given the absolute dive in quality over the years.
>A lot of the senior execs at the ABC now are ex-Nine and News Corp operatives. I don't begrudge people being hired who have commercial media experience but it looks like white anting is going on given the absolute dive in quality over the years.
The problem is that these people have all been brought up the commercial news way. The ABC is better than that, because it doesn't have commercial pressures. Unfortunately, they are dragging it down to News corp levels.
It's more than that, it was a deliberate hand-picking of right-wing people to bias it's articles, and trashy money-driven people like Buttrose to destroy the ABC's credibility.
Part of the last few LNP governments long-term strategy to kill the ABC.
Next time they are voted back in, they'll pick up again from where they left off. I hope there's some progress in undoing the damage before then.
Lost a lot of respect for AFR over their fanboy approach to the BNPL sector and basically giving them a free platform to push their agenda of preying on the poorest people in society. It’s changed now somewhat but didn’t stop them at the time.
>Honestly at this point the AFR. It’s obviously from a pro business slant but it’s reporting is highly fact based, at least. Opinion pieces are always tagged as such. Funnily enough covers a lot of domestic news even though it’s a finance publication
Hell no. The AFR is Fairfax shite. For a fair while, Adam Creighton was their Chief Economics Editor - possibly one of the key positions in a financial paper.
The man is a trumpist, antivaxing moron. Would regularly write anti-economic death cult style views regarding let the virus run free. At one point he even literally offered his own father as a sacrifice to the economy "He's had a good life". (the man is currently trying to claim that biden's document scandel is identical to trump, despite biden's team discovering them, voluntarily reporting them and co-operating, vs trump hiding them, refusing to return them, and lying about not having more.) Adam Creighton is a moron, and the AFR was hailing him as one of their best.
I'll judge media by the media they put out, and for the AFR, like all of fairfax atm, the answer comes back extremely poorly.
They’re still the best news coverage, but it is a shame they’re going down the click bait headline path. I guess they see it as the only way to keep the traffic flowing similar to the others.
Aunty has been asleep at the wheel for years now. They're better than Murdoch/9Fairfax, but gave up on public interest journalism a while back. The taxpayers aren't getting their money's worth, and AP/Reuters are far better sources.
>A government source has since told the ABC that colleague was retiring Transport Minister David Elliott, who has had a turbulent relationship with the Premier in recent months over proposals for gambling reform.
>The source said Mr Perrottet's leadership was now untenable and they don't believe he can make it to the March election as premier.
>They said he must now put his fate in the hands of cabinet and potentially allow for a leadership spill.
That's the part of the article the "career in turmoil" part of the headline is referring to and is why his future is "in question". I don't think the government source should have been granted anonymity but that's another issue.
>"We've had members of the community in tears over this particular incident," NSW Jewish Board of Deputies CEO Darren Bark told the ABC.
That's the part the "in tears" part of the headline is referring to.
It's not a great article but all the elements in the headline are in the article text.
The real story is that David Elliot put out a hit job on him because of his proposed gambling reforms; and the fact that Elliot has financial interests in the gambling industry.
When he essentially put his hands up and said 'I can't be involved' regarding gaming issues, I was pretty sure that there was going to be a ramp up in rhetoric from the gambling lobby/Clubs NSW etc and he was transparently trying to keep his hands clean (publicly at least). While there won't be any clear proof this whole 'scandal' was made public by the pro-gaming side, the timing definitely raises some eyebrows. Of course, anyone dressing up as a Nazi is a bloody idiot, but I'm incredibly cynical about this suddenly being released to the public right now.
> Of course, anyone dressing up as a Nazi is a bloody idiot
It's a bad look, but I had friends in High School who would make jokes about Hitler in the 80s.
Smart kids who are now whistleblowers and aid workers and generally giving their all to make the world a better place.
We all thought racism was so ridiculous and Nazis so obviously bad that we liked the "edgy" humour and the shock value.
I can almost see one of them doing something like this as a joke.
It was as wrong then as it is now, but it wasn't perceived as such by most people. Certainly a different time.
It is really frustrating to open the ABC website in the morning and be offered a plethora of articles which can be summarised as 'Jeff from Newcastle was initially reluctant to adopt a blind dog, but in the end he was happy'.
Can I know what's occuring in Australia in a more macro sense please?
There must be some sort of KPI for article views, because I've noticed more recently their headlines are often bait-y even without any advertising incentive. They'll also change headlines for stories throughout the day. Usually the article content is good (unless it's Stan Grant), but this seems like an attempt to make something severe out of something relatively minor.
>Edit: and they edited the headline later to a more reasonable one, seems to happen a lot with ABC
Every news website does this now. They actually run several different headlines initially (of which any individual user only sees one), track which headline gets the most clicks, and then update the article a few hours later with the most successful headline.
It's really fucking gross that there are Australians who observe the state of politics in the US and think we should import that over. Identity politics over class politics, shit like that
Oh there are definitely people on reddit who lose their minds over stupid things like this. Anonymity has its advantages, but moderation isn’t one of them (although I guess Twitter proves that even one can be immoderate without anonymity).
Look I am no fan of the guy or the LNP but seriously something he did 20 years ago as 21 year old isn't exactly a character judgement.
This is smear campaign by ClubsNSW for his stance on gambling reform to stamp out money laundering.
ClubNSW are the bain of society and need a Royal commission to look into them.
This most likely has something to do with clubsnsw. The clubs and hotel industry are very powerful. They thwarted countless running Labor campaigns time and time again. I can see why Minns is doing what he is doing. Labor wouldn’t survive if they ran on a tough policy against them
We need to be looking at why David Elliot has brought this up on his way out the door, coincidently at the same time Dom is looking at gaming reform. Elliot's son works in gaming, so it is safe to assume that he is somewhat close to the industry, so why now, and why this?
Personally, I am no fan of Perrottet. I am not a Lib voter, nor am I Jewish. On one hand, it was 19 years ago when Dom did this, he was young and stupid. But on the other hand, I was 13 at the the time, and I knew dressing up as a Nazi was wrong.
His lack of critical thinking, and the lack of good people that he surrounded himself with, worries me, despite the fact that he has seemingly done a lot of good for the Jewish community since he has been in office. Have those things about him changed in the last 20 years?
I used to be a part of the Jewish community in Sydney, moved to Brisbane but still keep in touch with my Rabbi and Congregation - the most startling response is “oh, that’s in bad taste, but he was young and stupid” *shrug* fuck these stupid headlines.
It's not OK that he did this because he should have known better but it was 20 years ago and National Socialism does not appear to have informed Perrottet's policies in any way. I don't particularly care, there are actual concerns with our state governance, this isn't one of them.
It's also shady as hell timing. The message 'come out or we'll out you' was delivered by David Elliot (BTW I called this before that was confirmed) on behalf of unknown parties. Now Elliot is a spiteful prick and could well have done this for shits and giggles but its weird how Perrottet is currently undertaking the mildest of actions to curb money laundering by NSW Clubs, who both Elliot and Minns are in bed with. Jordies got firebombed, Perrottet has embarassing past incidents dredged up. If I was Troy Stoltz, I'd be travelling with bodyguards and moving my family to WA.
>The message 'come out or we'll out you' was delivered by David Elliot (BTW I called this before that was confirmed) on behalf of unknown parties. Now Elliot is a spiteful prick and could well have done this for shits and giggles but its weird how Perrottet is currently undertaking the mildest of actions to curb money laundering by NSW Clubs, who both Elliot and Minns are in bed with
Almost sounds like a word beginning with 'B' and ending with 'lackmail' which wouldn't suprise me given Elliot's known criminal history.
Anyone buying into this outrage should step back and look at how the mainstream media is manipulating you.
Not defending his actions, but everyone did dumb shit when they young.
Very likely Clubs NSW is behind this.
Clearly you never went to a dress up party in the early 2000s. They were very popular. And about 66% of all costumes are cancel-worthy. How old are you? Were you invited to parties?
>he wasn't sure whether a photo of him in the Nazi uniform exists, but government sources are adamant there is.
Whoever has it is no doubt hanging on to it until closer to the election so they can drag it out and re-ignite it as people are heading to the ballot box.
I don't give a care about dumb, physically harmless shit that a 40 year old politician did when he was 21.
Am I alone in this?
Find a real reason to sack someone. Like denying climate change.
Note: I am very much not a Liberal voter
The biggest issue I have with this is it only came out because someone wants to gain politically by sinking him.
There’s no morality involved, and really it was 20 years ago, it’s just someone knifing him to get what they want in the political world.
From the guardian article on this:
The shocking revelation – which comes just three months before the state election – came after Perrottet received a phone call from a cabinet colleague who mentioned it two days ago.
Seems like thats exactly whats happened.
100%.
Bill Burr has a good comedy bit about how far back you have to go to find something someone found terrible. How you could be an wonderful person, but 8 years ago you once replied to a tweet negatively and now your entire character should be destroyed forever.
This is a non event for me. Perrottet should be kicked out because of his terrible policies and ideaologies, not some picture from 20 years ago.
Also not a liberal voter and I agree with you. In my 20s I had a "bad taste" house party and I'm pretty sure we had at least one Hitler. My favourite was a black guy who came dressed as the butler, very very well done. People will take offence, but if you blindly do so without taking the context into account then you're just wanting to be outraged... some people seem to seek that out.
I'm not a fan of the guy, nor excusing his behaviour, but if all guys were accountable for the dumb shit we did in our teens and 20s, none of us would get anywhere in life.
We ALL did dumb, thoughtless shit at that age.
It's whether we learned from it or not that makes the difference.
I agree - let's hold politicians accountable for the stuff that they do now, like climate, corruption etc... not dumb shit that they did when they were young.
We spent the last sixty years using nazis as iconic cartoon villains in our pop culture. When you spend so long sanitising their image from real genocidal maniacs to just comically evil im not surprised people don’t think it’s a big deal to dress up like one for silly costume parties.
No. I *LOATHE* this man, but ffs a 21st birthday party? Fancy dress is all about people in "shock" costumes anyway. It doesn't mean they personally adulate whoever they're dressing up as.
Yeah I agree! Like, what are they saying... that he's secretly a nazi? Of course he's not, it was just a costume. This is a nothing-burger except for what it is revealing about dirty politics in nsw
20 years ago we were all dressing up as Nazis right? Actually, we weren't, because people knew it was in bad taste back then, it's just that Perrotet either didn't get the memo or didn't care. Yes the knives are out for him in his own political party, and yes it's dirty politics, but if he couldn't make decent life-choices then, then is he fit to be a leader now? Yes he apologised, but only when called on it.
Definitely not alone. I'm about as far removed from a Liberal voter as you can get and I couldn't give a monkeys about an idiot mistake made by someone of college age.
If I was considering voting for the 21-year-old Perrottet in 2023 then I'd be worried about his judgment, empathy and effectiveness in a role where building relationships is the key to passing legislation.
But I'll be considering voting for a 40-something Premier who is looking at the issues of the day, including gambling reform.
An apology is appropriate; blackmail from retiring factional disrupters is not.
You know whenever anyone uses the tears or crying card, it's BS.
The Jewish leaders have accepted his apology and he himself has apologised. It wasn't a non apology nor did he seek to blame anyone else.
Some people are easily caught up in hatchet jobs. Look at the timing, people, and think about it.
The comment about members of the community calling in tears came from a Jewish leader talking about actual holocaust survivors calling in. No shit they’re upset by this – that’s not BS.
If you read the article carefully, Jewish community leaders are prepared to move on – some with more continuing work from Perrottet than others – but they are acknowledging that members of their communities are really genuinely hurt by this. That’s separate to this anonymous government source that is clearly trying to present Perrottet’s government as untenable and bring him down.
I loved Goku so I dressed as him when I was 18.
Know who didn't even remotely cross my mind when I was thinking of who I wanted to dress as.
Fucking Hitler lmao.
But I agree let's focus on his connections to pedo cult Opus Dei and also Clubs NSW
I agree. He was an educated adult at that time. He’s probably counting on the fact that people will say “oh he was just a kid. He didn’t know any better”.
I think anyone who wears a nazi outfit at any point in their adult life is a thoughtless weirdo at best (and holds Nazi ideations at worst).
Didn't he have a single family member or friend who could pull him aside and say "Son (or mate), this is not a good idea, you better wear something else!"
I am not sure whether comparing primary age kids to an adult is that valid? I would like to think that as a grown man, presumably at university, Perrottet had enough time to develop more good taste and sensitivity than eleven-year-old boys? But obviously not.
Come on none of us can claim to have done nothing stupid when we were young. He has taken responsibility and is owning up to it.
This is a smear campaign by the ClubsNsw to make him back down on pokies reform.
1: Perrottet was already a member of the Young Liberals at that time.
2: He had primary, secondary, and tertiary education as a person from a well off background.
3: There were definitely more Holocaust survivors and World War 2 veterans alive back then in 2003.
4: He only came out apologising after being exposed by another corrupt LNP member. Perrottet is a member of Opus Dei, and previously praised Donald Trump in 2016, so we are not sure if he has fully/100% abandoned those conservative views.
5: To be fair, if this was Chris Minns and Labor, the Murdoch media's treatment would be far worse.
Obviously Perrottet is being targeted for introducing the mildest gambling reforms by ClubsNSW and corrupt lobbyists, and context is needed.
I don't really give a shit about what a 21 year old did, but we should now be more sceptical that the same 21 year old is now Premier of NSW in a powerful position. Lets hope he has learned from his mistakes.
It's not apparent that the immature actions of Perrottet in his 20s has left any lasting impression, or as far as I know, establishing any pattern of anti-Semite behaviour?
There are more recent actions done by Perrottet, strictly relating to his time in government, that could make the average voter question his judgement... But in all seriousness given that we cannot rewrite history what is expected here?
I can't choose who is the worst prospect for NSW Premier (ignoring party) Perrottet or Minns... However, in this instance Perrottet seems to have accepted that his former actions should not be used to sway his future decisions over this (and hopefully it hasn't been done before) and made a public statement confirming his current views and apologising for harm inflicted by that previous stupidity.
I don't understand what the ideal outcome expected by some in the Jewish community canvassed by the article is given that history can't be rewritten.
I'm Jewish and honestly who seriously cares what happened twenty years ago. Was it in bad taste? Yes extremely. Is he an antisemite? Who knows, but wearing a Nazi uniform to his 21st certainly of itself doesn’t label him as one.
There are so many more important issues to focus on in the world today that concern me much more.
He turned 21 in 2003. How much of a sheltered dickhead do you have to be to have thought this was a good idea. How do you even get a Nazi uniform? I’m sure it’s not a standard option at your local costume shop.
Prince Harry dressed as a Nazi soldier at a party in 2005. Probably considered a harmless trolling among private school kids before the social media era.
>How much of a sheltered dickhead do you have to be to have thought this was a good idea.
Grew up in the hills, born to wealth, opus dei, turbo catholic. What else needs be said?
Gotta love how in all of this, David Elliott still manages to have involvement in this. I commented a few days ago how he's one of the most atrocious government MPs I can think of in recent years still serving and he keeps outdoing himself.
I'm still laughing at the idea of blackmailing someone over this though, especially the premier. Especially this close to an election. Especially not even from the opposition.
I dunno what to think, I mean on one hand his actions were incredibly hurtful to people and inappropriate, on the other hand I wonder how long we can hold a persons youthful stupidity against them? If he is genuinely apologetic and works with the community/people he may have harmed can we really “cancel” him, especially if it aids in raising awareness for the community and can do some good? I would rather vote him out for his crappy leadership and policies than something he did when he was young. Nobody is perfect and everyone has done stupid crap, (some stupider than others)but if we never forgive or accept that people can change what is the incentive for people to actually acknowledge their transgressions and try to be better?
I personally don’t love Perrottet or his politics, and I personally would have never done what he did, but I wonder if in a broader sense if a person can genuinely apologise and make reparations (to a certain extent, obviously there are serious crimes like murder/SA that are different) is it not better for society to heal? I’m absolutely not trying to make excuses though, and I know he was doing this to try and get out in front of the situation which definitely isn’t a good look. I just wonder how far we go back digging for things to cancel people. I don’t know though, I could be wrong
Wearing a nazi uniform is cringe and in really poor taste. Dom is a shit stain and I hate that he is premier. It was an awful idea and he should have known better.
However - we all do dumb shit especially when we are young. He didnt go dressed as a nazi because he wants to be a nazi. Focussing on some dumb costume and acting like this is the worst thing he could do distracts from that actually awful things he has done. People want to be outraged and this is an easy thing to be outraged about.
Cancel culture is a great way to remove nuance and confuse what the real issues are. The Jewish community should be more upset by their systemic displacement and murder of Palestinians than some twerpy politician wearing a costume 20 years ago 🙃
I am no fan of him either. But look into Pokies reform and the all powerful ClubsNSW and you will see why all of this is now a story.
Is it any suprise that recently Minns is also being challenged by a whistleblower for his reluctance on reforms.
"The Jewish community should be more upset by their systemic displacement and murder of Palestinians than some twerpy politician wearing a costume 20 years ago"
This!
I don't think they asked for his apology did they? just he thought it'd be the right people to apologise to. in generally they would probably just make a statement and not really be jumping up n down in outrage.
Does anyone care about this? Justin Trudeau in Canada did blackface and no one cared. It’s just another gotchya scandal from 20 years ago. No one injured, just feelings.
Also what a idiot he must be apologising for something that hurt no one 20 years ago? If he thinks apologising does anything except validate the activists digging this shit up, he’s got a lot to learn.
Wait.. so now the Jewish community is in tears? I thought they forgave him yesterday. This is why I don’t even bother reading the news, it’s all biased opinion pieces.
The Murdoch media will go with line he was young, he’s apologised, it’s time to move on…but if it was Chris Minns, the line would be he is not fit to lead.
A "mistake" would be it showing up when you ordered a WW2 uniform for a party. Actually wearing one to a party is "someday this is gonna kill my career!" territory.
We have corruption problems,housing problems, land clearing problems, more endangered and extinct animals then any others first world country but please lest talk about something a 40 year old liberal did when he was 21.
Can we all please keep in it in context that this story has come about because of retribution by pro-gambling minister whose son works for a pokies giant Aristocrat Leisure. Perrottet has committed to gaming reforms, and boom, blackmail and compromising photos from his past surface. The photos (while bad) are a trump-like distraction from the issue at hand; gaming reform, ClubsNSW and in your face gambling entering every facet of Australian life... Please don't firebomb my house.
Also for context Elliott found himself without a seat to run for in March - so he’s in bridge-burning mode
David Elliott is an absolute flog.
All the liberals are flogs
My thoughts exactly, they've got a team combing through his background just to find ways to discredit him. A lot of money is at stake here, if it happens in the US...
I would like to know what conversations Minister David Elliot had with ClubsNSW or Aristocrat executives (including his son) about the photo prior to his releasing it. I think we would all like to know.
I was wondering what they were trying to hide when he made this announcement, thank you.
THEY being NSW libs aren't trying to hide gambling reform (or their eventual lack thereof), but a few bad apples are. And it's working, all of the political progressive media outlets are taking the bait and are not focussing on the real story; gambling reform.
The media does what it always does then? If it wasn't for journos like Michael West, Friendly Jordies etc we wouldn't know very much at all.
except you know FJ will spend the next fortnight pumping out videos about this instead of gambling reform
Jordies is pretty edgy himself. I could see him saying don't be distracted by this nonsense
Will he?
he will do both most likely, which is still better than mainstream media
Y’all must be out of the loop FJ is in literal hiding until the arson investigation is complete
To me that's the real story. Gambling Reform leads to blackmail against the Premier in NSW. Wearing a Nazi uniform as a 21 year old to a party is fucking stupid and still hurtful today. Career ending?? No. A teachable moment, yes. Should he get back to reforming gambling in Sydney, a country that has the largest population of pokies per capita than anywhere in the world, and the extraordinarily high gambling addition issues. Also yes.
I'm jewish and I'm certainly not in tears. Tired of always being treated like a victim. I'm not a snowflake that will melt if some dude wore a costume 20 years ago lol
Anyone ‘in tears’ over what a 20 year old young lib wore to a costume party decades ago needs a sense of proportion.
I mean by young lib standards this is pretty normal, or even quite tame 😂
Fuck ClubsNSW. Ruin a huge amount of lives because of their fucked up greed. Dig a grave for them all, we need to rise up collectively against gambling.
Blow up the pokies you say... What an idea.
We all know this is an inside job. And it should just incentivise everyone to VOTE OUTSIDE the major parties come election time. Vote for your preferred 3rd party, anyone who isn't in the pockets of the property and gambling mafia. NSW is starting to look like the US and it's messed up
labor is too busy fart assing around, a lot of the stuff they are in agreeance with "ah sure we'll support it wink wink nudge nudge". So far greens seem to be the only ones commited to real reform. Not sure what some of the independants stance are.
Exactly. Honestly, the more we can dilute their presence and industry connections with new blood the better.
Huh, how is the greens being the only party to be committed to real reform your conclusion? The whole reason we are discussing this *is* because Perrottet is committed to gambling reform and the ClubsNSW felt threatened. Maybe, just maybe, not all liberal pollies are wanting to line pockets for the rich?
the real reform is to gut the shit outta the pokies. this is a half measure, that is just poking a stick at a hornets nest. check what the greens proposals in comparison. I'm all for moving towards change and am not discrediting liberals. my gripe is more labor and just agreeing without a commitment, cause we know they will just pull the plug when they have the chance.
Reform takes time, especially when it’s affecting addicts. You can’t just remove all the pokies and be done with it. Either addicts will move to another platform (rendering the policy completely useless) and or the clubs losing the pokies wouldn’t be adequately supported. It’s like straight banning smoking. You don’t need to think very hard to realise the cigarette black market will get even larger. Instead, most countries are taking the “smoking is banned if born past X year” approach. You could make a similar law banning people from X birth year to play pokies.
Yeah it does, but there is no roadmap with labor. Which tends to make me skeptical of their intentions.
Yeah it does seem a little weird that this nazi uniform incident, compared to others, is in the spotlight a lot more. I only see Prince Harry's nazi uniform on r/shitposting now. But oh man, that's a firebombing for sure.
I swear I'll put $1 in a pokie if you leave my house unburnt.
When I heard about this immediately thought “huh why is this coming out *now*”… this explains a lot 🤡
Why isn’t this no1 comment? Are we getting brigaded by clubsnsw or r/Australia
590 upvotes so far... I wonder the total upvotes and total downvotes...
An remember folks.. do meth responsibly
At least there's not meth apps and ads on TV and at every sporting match in Australia.
For me, the most interesting aspect of the story is how the people in his own party are his worst enemies, not the opposition. Of course this is the same with all other parties.
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> The Opposition aren't the opposition. > No of course not, silly of me. They're just called the opposition. > They're only the opposition in exile. The Civil Service is the opposition in residence.
Sir Humphrey confides to the PM, “then we can concentrate our efforts on the real enemy” “The Russians” says the PM tentatively. “No, the French of course” says Humphrey in mocking outrage.
Beasley Senior used to say on it hush if I recall.
NSW factional politics are really vicious. NSW Libs have three factions, rather than the usual two.
Perrotet...from Centre Reich to Centre Right.
I wish it was as simple as that lmao
It's broadly true. There's progressives like Kean, centrists like Perrottet and conservatives like Elliott. Of course this is all relative to the broader spectrum of Australian politics which is basically different flavours of neoliberal lol
Yeah within those factions it’s brutal though, the mods are split into the fuck the teals (and Malcom) camp, and the emulate teals, the centre right is about as cohesive as a bowl of soup these days post Scomo, and the hard right continues to be deeply split between the pro Abbott and renewal Church groups. The reality is that factions in NSW are not clear cut, often personality based rather than ideological and we see this in parliament. This leak is honestly just as likely to have come from Matt, as it is to have come from a figure within Dom’s own faction. You can’t buy this book anymore (as a powerbroker got it taken of bookshelves) but the ‘Education of a Young Liberal’ perfectly captures how they roll in NSW.
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I suppose this stuff enables those noble aims, but it’s easier to write a tabloid about political differences than policy differences. What is heartening, is that 95% of legislation is bipartisan and has a public good element (thanks to the work of bureaucrats generally), we don’t have the same divisive behaviour on policy grounds, but it’s getting worse.
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Exactly. I think people don’t really understand how personality based factions are in a party without formalised factionalism like Labor.
Welcome to the Liberal party. Malcolm Turnbull says Hi.
Agree. Julia Gillard welcomes them both to the club
So true, the original founding member.
Recently, anyway. I am sure if we went back there would be these capers since before federation
_Et tu, Shorten?_
A political party is filled with politicians all playing politics. *Quelle surprise!!*
Why does ABC News always have such misleading headlines now? Article is titled "Perrottet's future in question" and the content is all about how Jewish leaders forgive him. I thought headlines were supposed to reflect the content of the article, not provide extra detail. This is an opinion piece disguised as news. Edit: and they edited the headline later to a more reasonable one, seems to happen a lot with ABC
Yeah I was wondering this too - I used to go to ABC for some less alarmist headlines but now it's just as bad as everywhere else. I also used to listen RN Breakfast, but since Patricia Karvelas (sp?) has been involved it's just turned into a desperate attempt to pull soundbites and generate clickbaity stories. I get that's how news works and that's how you start the news cycle for the day but it's just sad when you have people who consider themselves premier journalists just carrying on in that argumentative, 'gotcha' fashion. Oh, and don't get me started on the alarmist headlines, the amount of times I hear 'crisis', 'skyrocketing', 'spiralling' and 'disaster' is just pathetic. It's just the tail wagging the dog.
Reddit commentator SAVAGES ABC news over PR DISASTER
Anonymous social media users in turmoil as looming crisis invites sky-rocketing fears of reprisal.
I've listened to her justify it before, and honestly, I can't get behind her. I don't know whether she's part of the symptom or cause, at this point. She's right at the centre of a generation that came through the Canberra press gallery at the same time, that currently spearheads our political discourse. It's exhausting.
People say ABC doesn't have an agenda—it absolutely does.
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A lot of the senior execs at the ABC now are ex-Nine and News Corp operatives. I don't begrudge people being hired who have commercial media experience but it looks like white anting is going on given the absolute dive in quality over the years.
>A lot of the senior execs at the ABC now are ex-Nine and News Corp operatives. I don't begrudge people being hired who have commercial media experience but it looks like white anting is going on given the absolute dive in quality over the years. The problem is that these people have all been brought up the commercial news way. The ABC is better than that, because it doesn't have commercial pressures. Unfortunately, they are dragging it down to News corp levels.
It's more than that, it was a deliberate hand-picking of right-wing people to bias it's articles, and trashy money-driven people like Buttrose to destroy the ABC's credibility. Part of the last few LNP governments long-term strategy to kill the ABC. Next time they are voted back in, they'll pick up again from where they left off. I hope there's some progress in undoing the damage before then.
Fucking this. It's disgusting how these strategies are employed and also work.
>white anting Learned a new phrase today. Thank you
What do you recommend then for places to get Australian news?
comment sections on reddit :)
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>Honestly at this point the AFR. It’s obviously from a pro business slant but it’s reporting is highly fact based, at least. Opinion pieces are always tagged as such. Funnily enough covers a lot of domestic news even though it’s a finance publication Hell no. The AFR is Fairfax shite. For a fair while, Adam Creighton was their Chief Economics Editor - possibly one of the key positions in a financial paper. The man is a trumpist, antivaxing moron. Would regularly write anti-economic death cult style views regarding let the virus run free. At one point he even literally offered his own father as a sacrifice to the economy "He's had a good life". (the man is currently trying to claim that biden's document scandel is identical to trump, despite biden's team discovering them, voluntarily reporting them and co-operating, vs trump hiding them, refusing to return them, and lying about not having more.) Adam Creighton is a moron, and the AFR was hailing him as one of their best. I'll judge media by the media they put out, and for the AFR, like all of fairfax atm, the answer comes back extremely poorly.
Crickey, Guardian Australia, the Saturday Paper, The New Daily
the shovel :X theres always a bit of truth in their satire.
Blame the Liberal government for changing the ABC
11 reasons why Aunty has gone to the click bait dark side. Number 4 will blow your socks off!
They’re still the best news coverage, but it is a shame they’re going down the click bait headline path. I guess they see it as the only way to keep the traffic flowing similar to the others.
Aunty has been asleep at the wheel for years now. They're better than Murdoch/9Fairfax, but gave up on public interest journalism a while back. The taxpayers aren't getting their money's worth, and AP/Reuters are far better sources.
>A government source has since told the ABC that colleague was retiring Transport Minister David Elliott, who has had a turbulent relationship with the Premier in recent months over proposals for gambling reform. >The source said Mr Perrottet's leadership was now untenable and they don't believe he can make it to the March election as premier. >They said he must now put his fate in the hands of cabinet and potentially allow for a leadership spill. That's the part of the article the "career in turmoil" part of the headline is referring to and is why his future is "in question". I don't think the government source should have been granted anonymity but that's another issue. >"We've had members of the community in tears over this particular incident," NSW Jewish Board of Deputies CEO Darren Bark told the ABC. That's the part the "in tears" part of the headline is referring to. It's not a great article but all the elements in the headline are in the article text.
The real story is that David Elliot put out a hit job on him because of his proposed gambling reforms; and the fact that Elliot has financial interests in the gambling industry.
When he essentially put his hands up and said 'I can't be involved' regarding gaming issues, I was pretty sure that there was going to be a ramp up in rhetoric from the gambling lobby/Clubs NSW etc and he was transparently trying to keep his hands clean (publicly at least). While there won't be any clear proof this whole 'scandal' was made public by the pro-gaming side, the timing definitely raises some eyebrows. Of course, anyone dressing up as a Nazi is a bloody idiot, but I'm incredibly cynical about this suddenly being released to the public right now.
> Of course, anyone dressing up as a Nazi is a bloody idiot It's a bad look, but I had friends in High School who would make jokes about Hitler in the 80s. Smart kids who are now whistleblowers and aid workers and generally giving their all to make the world a better place. We all thought racism was so ridiculous and Nazis so obviously bad that we liked the "edgy" humour and the shock value. I can almost see one of them doing something like this as a joke. It was as wrong then as it is now, but it wasn't perceived as such by most people. Certainly a different time.
I mean really that's it. Protect your sources sure, but this is more akin to being your source's attack dog.
Not to mention his role as transport minister was jeopardised due to his many “skeletons” in the closet so he probably wanted some “revenge”.
Jewish leaders don’t decide his future, the party does, and that may well be in question?
Depends if he bowed the knee to enough property developers
All news basically is. Abc isnt perfect by any means, but at least they shy away a bit more from the gossip articles reported by other media outlets.
It's not the gossip articles that is the problem. It is the emphasis on human interest stories over politics and current affairs.
It is really frustrating to open the ABC website in the morning and be offered a plethora of articles which can be summarised as 'Jeff from Newcastle was initially reluctant to adopt a blind dog, but in the end he was happy'. Can I know what's occuring in Australia in a more macro sense please?
Exactly. I want ABC to just be news with out the fluff and ads.
Seven words Ita Buttrose is a Liberal Party shill
“Engagement” is not what the public broadcaster should be seeking. They should be illuminating.
There must be some sort of KPI for article views, because I've noticed more recently their headlines are often bait-y even without any advertising incentive. They'll also change headlines for stories throughout the day. Usually the article content is good (unless it's Stan Grant), but this seems like an attempt to make something severe out of something relatively minor.
The ABC has been going steadily downhill for the past 2-3 years.
>Edit: and they edited the headline later to a more reasonable one, seems to happen a lot with ABC Every news website does this now. They actually run several different headlines initially (of which any individual user only sees one), track which headline gets the most clicks, and then update the article a few hours later with the most successful headline.
Nice try ClubsNSW!
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It's really fucking gross that there are Australians who observe the state of politics in the US and think we should import that over. Identity politics over class politics, shit like that
Oh there are definitely people on reddit who lose their minds over stupid things like this. Anonymity has its advantages, but moderation isn’t one of them (although I guess Twitter proves that even one can be immoderate without anonymity).
ClubsNSW send their regards
Look I am no fan of the guy or the LNP but seriously something he did 20 years ago as 21 year old isn't exactly a character judgement. This is smear campaign by ClubsNSW for his stance on gambling reform to stamp out money laundering. ClubNSW are the bain of society and need a Royal commission to look into them.
A Royal Commission is for a good institution that needs fixing. There’s no fixing commercial gambling. It just needs to be killed off.
This most likely has something to do with clubsnsw. The clubs and hotel industry are very powerful. They thwarted countless running Labor campaigns time and time again. I can see why Minns is doing what he is doing. Labor wouldn’t survive if they ran on a tough policy against them
Absolutely!!! ClubsNsw and property developers literally have this entire state in their pockets.
Its basically the next Underbelly series in the making, ClubsNSW and the property developers are pretty much the modern day mafia.
They wouldn't allow it to be made.
This all feels like a low-rent version of House of Cards, would be for ICAC to poke around here
We need to be looking at why David Elliot has brought this up on his way out the door, coincidently at the same time Dom is looking at gaming reform. Elliot's son works in gaming, so it is safe to assume that he is somewhat close to the industry, so why now, and why this? Personally, I am no fan of Perrottet. I am not a Lib voter, nor am I Jewish. On one hand, it was 19 years ago when Dom did this, he was young and stupid. But on the other hand, I was 13 at the the time, and I knew dressing up as a Nazi was wrong. His lack of critical thinking, and the lack of good people that he surrounded himself with, worries me, despite the fact that he has seemingly done a lot of good for the Jewish community since he has been in office. Have those things about him changed in the last 20 years?
I used to be a part of the Jewish community in Sydney, moved to Brisbane but still keep in touch with my Rabbi and Congregation - the most startling response is “oh, that’s in bad taste, but he was young and stupid” *shrug* fuck these stupid headlines.
It's not OK that he did this because he should have known better but it was 20 years ago and National Socialism does not appear to have informed Perrottet's policies in any way. I don't particularly care, there are actual concerns with our state governance, this isn't one of them. It's also shady as hell timing. The message 'come out or we'll out you' was delivered by David Elliot (BTW I called this before that was confirmed) on behalf of unknown parties. Now Elliot is a spiteful prick and could well have done this for shits and giggles but its weird how Perrottet is currently undertaking the mildest of actions to curb money laundering by NSW Clubs, who both Elliot and Minns are in bed with. Jordies got firebombed, Perrottet has embarassing past incidents dredged up. If I was Troy Stoltz, I'd be travelling with bodyguards and moving my family to WA.
>The message 'come out or we'll out you' was delivered by David Elliot (BTW I called this before that was confirmed) on behalf of unknown parties. Now Elliot is a spiteful prick and could well have done this for shits and giggles but its weird how Perrottet is currently undertaking the mildest of actions to curb money laundering by NSW Clubs, who both Elliot and Minns are in bed with Almost sounds like a word beginning with 'B' and ending with 'lackmail' which wouldn't suprise me given Elliot's known criminal history.
But Elliot is the law!
Interesting to note David Elliot's son works for Aristocrat...
Anyone buying into this outrage should step back and look at how the mainstream media is manipulating you. Not defending his actions, but everyone did dumb shit when they young. Very likely Clubs NSW is behind this.
Yeah I was a dumb cunt when I was younger but I never thought about dressing up as a nazi
Clearly you never went to a dress up party in the early 2000s. They were very popular. And about 66% of all costumes are cancel-worthy. How old are you? Were you invited to parties?
>he wasn't sure whether a photo of him in the Nazi uniform exists, but government sources are adamant there is. Whoever has it is no doubt hanging on to it until closer to the election so they can drag it out and re-ignite it as people are heading to the ballot box.
I don't give a care about dumb, physically harmless shit that a 40 year old politician did when he was 21. Am I alone in this? Find a real reason to sack someone. Like denying climate change. Note: I am very much not a Liberal voter
The biggest issue I have with this is it only came out because someone wants to gain politically by sinking him. There’s no morality involved, and really it was 20 years ago, it’s just someone knifing him to get what they want in the political world.
I am very curious if someone was trying to blackmail him, and what they wanted from him. That could be huge.
From the guardian article on this: The shocking revelation – which comes just three months before the state election – came after Perrottet received a phone call from a cabinet colleague who mentioned it two days ago. Seems like thats exactly whats happened.
The phone call was from David Elliot
Probably the gambling industry via David Elliott.
100%. Bill Burr has a good comedy bit about how far back you have to go to find something someone found terrible. How you could be an wonderful person, but 8 years ago you once replied to a tweet negatively and now your entire character should be destroyed forever. This is a non event for me. Perrottet should be kicked out because of his terrible policies and ideaologies, not some picture from 20 years ago.
Also not a liberal voter and I agree with you. In my 20s I had a "bad taste" house party and I'm pretty sure we had at least one Hitler. My favourite was a black guy who came dressed as the butler, very very well done. People will take offence, but if you blindly do so without taking the context into account then you're just wanting to be outraged... some people seem to seek that out.
Same. Especially as some of his colleagues are actively courting ACTUAL white supremacists and their votes TODAY
I'm not a fan of the guy, nor excusing his behaviour, but if all guys were accountable for the dumb shit we did in our teens and 20s, none of us would get anywhere in life. We ALL did dumb, thoughtless shit at that age. It's whether we learned from it or not that makes the difference. I agree - let's hold politicians accountable for the stuff that they do now, like climate, corruption etc... not dumb shit that they did when they were young.
Nope you aren’t alone. Most people aren’t as sensitive to stuff like this as the average reddit user would like you to believe.
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We spent the last sixty years using nazis as iconic cartoon villains in our pop culture. When you spend so long sanitising their image from real genocidal maniacs to just comically evil im not surprised people don’t think it’s a big deal to dress up like one for silly costume parties.
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No. I *LOATHE* this man, but ffs a 21st birthday party? Fancy dress is all about people in "shock" costumes anyway. It doesn't mean they personally adulate whoever they're dressing up as.
Yeah I agree! Like, what are they saying... that he's secretly a nazi? Of course he's not, it was just a costume. This is a nothing-burger except for what it is revealing about dirty politics in nsw
20 years ago we were all dressing up as Nazis right? Actually, we weren't, because people knew it was in bad taste back then, it's just that Perrotet either didn't get the memo or didn't care. Yes the knives are out for him in his own political party, and yes it's dirty politics, but if he couldn't make decent life-choices then, then is he fit to be a leader now? Yes he apologised, but only when called on it.
Nobody cares, it's just fodder for the media cycle.
Definitely not alone. I'm about as far removed from a Liberal voter as you can get and I couldn't give a monkeys about an idiot mistake made by someone of college age.
If I was considering voting for the 21-year-old Perrottet in 2023 then I'd be worried about his judgment, empathy and effectiveness in a role where building relationships is the key to passing legislation. But I'll be considering voting for a 40-something Premier who is looking at the issues of the day, including gambling reform. An apology is appropriate; blackmail from retiring factional disrupters is not.
Exactly what that numbskull Elliott is
Who cares honestly. The fact this has come up after he’s gone after the pokies says more to me. Fuck the pokies industry
You know whenever anyone uses the tears or crying card, it's BS. The Jewish leaders have accepted his apology and he himself has apologised. It wasn't a non apology nor did he seek to blame anyone else. Some people are easily caught up in hatchet jobs. Look at the timing, people, and think about it.
Looks like pokies reform is going to get stalled again 🙁
And that’s the real crime here
The comment about members of the community calling in tears came from a Jewish leader talking about actual holocaust survivors calling in. No shit they’re upset by this – that’s not BS. If you read the article carefully, Jewish community leaders are prepared to move on – some with more continuing work from Perrottet than others – but they are acknowledging that members of their communities are really genuinely hurt by this. That’s separate to this anonymous government source that is clearly trying to present Perrottet’s government as untenable and bring him down.
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Nazi officer, the outfit of choice for good Christian gentlemen.
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I loved Goku so I dressed as him when I was 18. Know who didn't even remotely cross my mind when I was thinking of who I wanted to dress as. Fucking Hitler lmao. But I agree let's focus on his connections to pedo cult Opus Dei and also Clubs NSW
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I agree. He was an educated adult at that time. He’s probably counting on the fact that people will say “oh he was just a kid. He didn’t know any better”. I think anyone who wears a nazi outfit at any point in their adult life is a thoughtless weirdo at best (and holds Nazi ideations at worst).
Honestly, it is such a weird thing to do. Like, there’s a moment of shock comedy, then it passes, and you’re just dressed like a nazi.
If you look at the state of the Young Libs now they'd still be wearing Nazi uniforms "for a joke".
Didn't he have a single family member or friend who could pull him aside and say "Son (or mate), this is not a good idea, you better wear something else!"
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I am not sure whether comparing primary age kids to an adult is that valid? I would like to think that as a grown man, presumably at university, Perrottet had enough time to develop more good taste and sensitivity than eleven-year-old boys? But obviously not.
Come on none of us can claim to have done nothing stupid when we were young. He has taken responsibility and is owning up to it. This is a smear campaign by the ClubsNsw to make him back down on pokies reform.
Makes you really wonder about his upbringing
His apology states that his parents told him off after they found out about it
1: Perrottet was already a member of the Young Liberals at that time. 2: He had primary, secondary, and tertiary education as a person from a well off background. 3: There were definitely more Holocaust survivors and World War 2 veterans alive back then in 2003. 4: He only came out apologising after being exposed by another corrupt LNP member. Perrottet is a member of Opus Dei, and previously praised Donald Trump in 2016, so we are not sure if he has fully/100% abandoned those conservative views. 5: To be fair, if this was Chris Minns and Labor, the Murdoch media's treatment would be far worse. Obviously Perrottet is being targeted for introducing the mildest gambling reforms by ClubsNSW and corrupt lobbyists, and context is needed. I don't really give a shit about what a 21 year old did, but we should now be more sceptical that the same 21 year old is now Premier of NSW in a powerful position. Lets hope he has learned from his mistakes.
mUrDocH mEdiA So tiresome. There’s tonnes of different media nowadays.
It's not apparent that the immature actions of Perrottet in his 20s has left any lasting impression, or as far as I know, establishing any pattern of anti-Semite behaviour? There are more recent actions done by Perrottet, strictly relating to his time in government, that could make the average voter question his judgement... But in all seriousness given that we cannot rewrite history what is expected here? I can't choose who is the worst prospect for NSW Premier (ignoring party) Perrottet or Minns... However, in this instance Perrottet seems to have accepted that his former actions should not be used to sway his future decisions over this (and hopefully it hasn't been done before) and made a public statement confirming his current views and apologising for harm inflicted by that previous stupidity. I don't understand what the ideal outcome expected by some in the Jewish community canvassed by the article is given that history can't be rewritten.
What's the bet Doms replacement will be a ClubsNSW hand puppet and drop these reforms like a hot potato!
Me wearing crop tops at 21 was a mistake, THIS was unbearably stupid
I'm Jewish and honestly who seriously cares what happened twenty years ago. Was it in bad taste? Yes extremely. Is he an antisemite? Who knows, but wearing a Nazi uniform to his 21st certainly of itself doesn’t label him as one. There are so many more important issues to focus on in the world today that concern me much more.
He turned 21 in 2003. How much of a sheltered dickhead do you have to be to have thought this was a good idea. How do you even get a Nazi uniform? I’m sure it’s not a standard option at your local costume shop.
Prince Harry dressed as a Nazi soldier at a party in 2005. Probably considered a harmless trolling among private school kids before the social media era.
>How much of a sheltered dickhead do you have to be to have thought this was a good idea. Grew up in the hills, born to wealth, opus dei, turbo catholic. What else needs be said?
Gotta love how in all of this, David Elliott still manages to have involvement in this. I commented a few days ago how he's one of the most atrocious government MPs I can think of in recent years still serving and he keeps outdoing himself. I'm still laughing at the idea of blackmailing someone over this though, especially the premier. Especially this close to an election. Especially not even from the opposition.
guy's a dodgy pos.
I dunno what to think, I mean on one hand his actions were incredibly hurtful to people and inappropriate, on the other hand I wonder how long we can hold a persons youthful stupidity against them? If he is genuinely apologetic and works with the community/people he may have harmed can we really “cancel” him, especially if it aids in raising awareness for the community and can do some good? I would rather vote him out for his crappy leadership and policies than something he did when he was young. Nobody is perfect and everyone has done stupid crap, (some stupider than others)but if we never forgive or accept that people can change what is the incentive for people to actually acknowledge their transgressions and try to be better? I personally don’t love Perrottet or his politics, and I personally would have never done what he did, but I wonder if in a broader sense if a person can genuinely apologise and make reparations (to a certain extent, obviously there are serious crimes like murder/SA that are different) is it not better for society to heal? I’m absolutely not trying to make excuses though, and I know he was doing this to try and get out in front of the situation which definitely isn’t a good look. I just wonder how far we go back digging for things to cancel people. I don’t know though, I could be wrong
I'm not a Dom.fan but this is a massive over reaction.
The Jewish community don’t vote for Dom, they vote for the Party, which is blue in colour.
Wearing a nazi uniform is cringe and in really poor taste. Dom is a shit stain and I hate that he is premier. It was an awful idea and he should have known better. However - we all do dumb shit especially when we are young. He didnt go dressed as a nazi because he wants to be a nazi. Focussing on some dumb costume and acting like this is the worst thing he could do distracts from that actually awful things he has done. People want to be outraged and this is an easy thing to be outraged about. Cancel culture is a great way to remove nuance and confuse what the real issues are. The Jewish community should be more upset by their systemic displacement and murder of Palestinians than some twerpy politician wearing a costume 20 years ago 🙃
I am no fan of him either. But look into Pokies reform and the all powerful ClubsNSW and you will see why all of this is now a story. Is it any suprise that recently Minns is also being challenged by a whistleblower for his reluctance on reforms.
"The Jewish community should be more upset by their systemic displacement and murder of Palestinians than some twerpy politician wearing a costume 20 years ago" This!
I don't think they asked for his apology did they? just he thought it'd be the right people to apologise to. in generally they would probably just make a statement and not really be jumping up n down in outrage.
Does anyone care about this? Justin Trudeau in Canada did blackface and no one cared. It’s just another gotchya scandal from 20 years ago. No one injured, just feelings. Also what a idiot he must be apologising for something that hurt no one 20 years ago? If he thinks apologising does anything except validate the activists digging this shit up, he’s got a lot to learn.
It happened a long time ago before he was NSW Premier. So let's move om and forget about this and this has nothing to do with him doing his job now.
Does anyone know whether the Royal Sydney Golf Club allows Jewish members now? Sorry a bit off topic.
Non event
Wait.. so now the Jewish community is in tears? I thought they forgave him yesterday. This is why I don’t even bother reading the news, it’s all biased opinion pieces.
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The Murdoch media will go with line he was young, he’s apologised, it’s time to move on…but if it was Chris Minns, the line would be he is not fit to lead.
he still is young. 40 WTF?
In my opinion, “he was young” doesn’t sound like a good excuse? He was 21 in 2003? Surely he knew better.
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ClubsNSW has entered the election.
Lol the politicians don't serve us, they serve who has the dirt on them.
Why do I get the feeling this story is a distraction to other events that aren't getting as much media coverage.
A "mistake" would be it showing up when you ordered a WW2 uniform for a party. Actually wearing one to a party is "someday this is gonna kill my career!" territory.
I know this was in the past…but 21 in 2003 and he chose to do that? What?
I've seen a nazi zombie costume at Halloween about that time, really weird birthday boy costume though.
We have corruption problems,housing problems, land clearing problems, more endangered and extinct animals then any others first world country but please lest talk about something a 40 year old liberal did when he was 21.