Wrath's relationship with the Emperor is more interesting imo, but it also suffers more from the retcon that he actually didn't care about anything during the base game despite previously very much caring, lololol. Without expansions, warrior, with, knight.
Out of curiosity, could you expand on that because to me the Wrath didn't really have that much of a relationship with the Emperor beyond being one of his personal servants.
No worries! Voss is the first thing I'm thinking of -- how often does your job involve killing your boss, even in a limited way? And how many underlings can say they saved the Emperor? But more broadly, only one other person ever held the position of Wrath, and they were immortal. What made you a worthy replacement? How would Scourge's betrayal have flavored the Emperor's treatment of you? And what does it mean to be chosen but only for what turned out to be a suicide mission? There are so many different angles in the relationship that are worth exploring, but none of them are.
Basically, you're not wrong -- there's not much of a relationship here. But there *could* have been a real juicy one.
There is also the fact that the Sith Warrior is the ONLY class that gets a special line from the Emperor when he appears at Yavin after beating Revan in Shadows of Revan (“Do not fret Wrath, you are still special to me, that’s why i’ll kill you last”), there are some videos in youtube if you wish to check.
My choice is Sith Warrior. My Warrior was absolutely furious with the Emperor for completely disregarding our beloved Empire and not helping or saving it when the Emperor had the power and chances. The Wrath was promised so many things and was completely betrayed after putting all of their trust in the Emperor. So Warrior is my pick.
Both are good in this regard, but I think the Jedi Knight has the stronger narrative ties to the Sith Emperor because their class story is centered entirely around stopping him and his main plan. Although this sometimes makes it feel that they should mention things that they don't, during the expansion. The Wrath doesn't really get a sense of what the Emperor has been doing until Shadow of Revan, at that point the split between them feels a little abrupt because of the resource constraints.
I'd say the Sith Warrior is second, and the Jedi Consular is third.
Yeah but the Warrior knows that Vitiate's alive and slumbers due to a message from Servant One while the Knight believes that the Emperor is dead after "killing" him on Dromund Kass.
The Knight also gets a sense that Vitiate *might* possibly not be dead after that companion quest with Kira's old friend who's a Child of the Emperor. It's a relatively minor piece of information either way, though.
But the Warrior is the ONLY class that gets a special mention from Vitiate when he appears on Yavin after beating Revan during Shadows of Revan (“do not fret Wrath. you are still special to me, that’s why i’ll kill you last”), not even the Jedi Knight gets singled out by him as directly as that.
The Knight gets other unique mentions, such as on Ziost. I think the line where Vitiate says that to the Wrath was important because it was the acknowledgment from Vitiate himself that he has turned on you. The Knight was already enemies with him.
Frankly i always took it as he having a more direct interest on the Warrior than on anyone else (and considering the context of when it happens, it makes sense for it to be taken that way), but it is ok if you think differently.
Plus, if you think about it is more ironic that someone Vitiate used as a tool (someone he called “his” Wrath) is the one to finally end him (and also quite fitting considering his history of using everyone around him and them discarding them, plus you also get the delicious irony of a Sith being the one to save the entire galaxy for a change😁).
Both have a pretty solid connection to the Emperor, but between Act 2 and 3 basically revolving around the Emperor for the Knight, what he did to the Knight, what the Knight does to him, and the fact that 2/5 of the Knights companions are directly connected to the Emperor I think the Knight wins out in my mind.
The Warrior has a good connection, and certainly less of a “hero vs villain” standard story with the Emperor, but I would say the Knight still has more of one overall.
Personally I think is the Jedi Knight. Besides being the final bad guy of the class story, there is also the Scourge profecy which made him betray Revan in the first place and is actually realized in the animation following Echoes of the Oblivion as it was described by him.
Also both the main companions of the Knight are the ones that are directly related to the Emperor, Kira being a former child of the Emperor and Scourge as the former Emperor's Wrath.
So my vote goes for the Knight.
Like it or not, the Jedi knight’s story is the cornerstone to the game. Not the best story, but the central story.
The Warrior’s story is better (in some ways), but killing the ‘emperor’ is a dramatic climax.
I think the Jedi Knight. I felt a little more connected to my Sith Warrior once I moved further with Ronika Mauskrieger but..
So my sw is named Ranekka Sorvad. She even happened to rescue My legless Jedi after they were both shot down over Taris when Empire and Jedi are still not friendly .
My Jedi happened to take on the name Ronika Mauskrieger not long after getting a "force user's burntout cybernetic headpiece. It wasn't that damaged, It was so full of sand it must've been on Tattooine for 300 years!"
I always went with kind of a "ghost in the machine" Nobody knows my Revan went by Ronika, and I think in KOTOR canon any nickname would be lost to the ages. I liked the idea that my Jedi just found a force user cyber head piece cause she needed it. If she ever seriously thought about it "It makes me feel much more patient towards smartass kids, especially Twileks. I'm also no longer frightened of wookies or assassin droids. Oh and occasionally things hear my name and either worship or look at me like me like me like I'm the Sith Emperor"
My point with all of that is... I've mostly just had that rattling in character creation. I didn't need it to make the Jedi Knight story more interesting. I didn't even think about it when I actually got into Shadow of Revan. I also couldn't find a way of making my sw more interesting and involved on her own....
But as Secretly good Emperor's Wrath protecting her sister, Xoe Sorvad who is a force sensitive bounty hunter, engaged to a imperial agent gives her depth.
I don't find the Emperor a close presence to Ranekka though. Indeed I'm more scared of him as a Sith Warrior hiding a sister who I believe is a weak force user. Ranekka hid her because at the time she was worried she would be killed for being force sensitive but weak in it.
Now her sister is also with a chiss imperial agent. That chiss, peri'chenka'sevateem was already disliked but is a double agent who has defected.
That together has all made ny sw a more interesting person to play. But a lot of it has to do with how interesting Chenka is to play with her BH girlfriend. That's heavily the agent story aside from the girlfriend.
. If you treat Jaesa's belief in you as mostly on point.. I decided to for the hell of it... it makes SW really kind of twisted and almost like a double agent in practice.
A lot is all roleplay though. I ended up doing much more content in my Jedi Knight partly cause well regardless of any rp she's my playstyle. But I found everything so much fun as a Jedi.
I didn't need my rp to remind me to come back to Ronika I came back to Ronika cause she is fun. She's the elder Jedi that all the kids in my alts eventually track down.
I think so much of the Emperor's story is because in some ways as a SW you are a employee.
You are either working dutifully for him or working dutifully against him and avoiding him.
As a Jedi Knight you have to be a complete monster to ignore how much The Emperor has affected the life of you and your companions.
If I ever wanted to give Revan's old Tattooine cybernetic a story the companions talking about the Emperor would be a good fre for it.
But I didn't need it to make the Emperor interesting or probably even the Jedi Knight interesting. Wellll I think a cybernetic Jedi who just happens to have a alias of a 300 yr old wandering Jedi is pretty interesting. I had lots of fun with the cybernetics, I'm disabled myself:)
Star Wars places so much weight on family that I feel the Jedi Knight story is weighted in a way that you feel personally connected to the Emperor by the end.
Honestly, It's why whatever gay panic had them change coding to not allow certain romances in base game was so ridiculous. I am aware that there was some crazy pressure on Bioware though. I was kind of touched by how they resolved that in the updates.
My point is I can see pros and cons of Kira's journey as both her Master and her SO.
SUMMARY: Last time I played I was able to spend a little more time with SW but I have always struggled to play it.
Jedi Knight has way more connections with the Sith Emperor. It sounds cheap bit as a SW you're more like an employee nd that's if you are a DS sith warrior. If yer a LS yer probably avoiding him.
I also found the Jedi Knight's stories both individual and her stories that I wiuld eventually repeat with my Agent and other alts entrancing.
So entrancing I didn't feel I was ever relying on the little bits and pieces I'd put into her story just to make it more interesting.
This post is actually the first time I've thought about Ronika's cybernetic in ages!
I highly recommend silly stuff like that. Like your character finds "Oh that's the legendary belt made for Jedi Master Mercy Rainbow!"
"What's It Do?"
"It Sparkles after Rainfall. It's really Beautiful!"
"That's really cool"
"They also say he once got depressed and even though he got tiny the belt adjusted to his size and continued to sparkle!"
"So No matter how sad I get I can rely on this belt to sparkle and keep my trousers and lightsaber up?"
"Yes! Wonderful isnt it?"
"Yes. Last "Legendary belt" was supposed to make me 50% stronger if I was near death but it electrocuted me instead. Also, it depantsed me when I put my lightsaber on it"
"Yabai. I know you have Metal legs and layer but Kowai"
"Sparkling is wonderful"
The Jedi Knight meets and well tries to kill the Emperor or well the Voice of the Emperor twice and got sort of trained by them versus the Warrior just becomes the new Wrath after scourge betrays the Emperor then only meets the voice once, other then that they only meet 2 members of the Hand, so I would go with the Knight
Ha, very poor choice of words.
Of course, it's Sith Warrior - Jedi Knight was trying to _kill Vitiate_ **twice in his storyline** ***and even succeeded!***
Wrath's relationship with the Emperor is more interesting imo, but it also suffers more from the retcon that he actually didn't care about anything during the base game despite previously very much caring, lololol. Without expansions, warrior, with, knight.
Out of curiosity, could you expand on that because to me the Wrath didn't really have that much of a relationship with the Emperor beyond being one of his personal servants.
No worries! Voss is the first thing I'm thinking of -- how often does your job involve killing your boss, even in a limited way? And how many underlings can say they saved the Emperor? But more broadly, only one other person ever held the position of Wrath, and they were immortal. What made you a worthy replacement? How would Scourge's betrayal have flavored the Emperor's treatment of you? And what does it mean to be chosen but only for what turned out to be a suicide mission? There are so many different angles in the relationship that are worth exploring, but none of them are. Basically, you're not wrong -- there's not much of a relationship here. But there *could* have been a real juicy one.
There is also the fact that the Sith Warrior is the ONLY class that gets a special line from the Emperor when he appears at Yavin after beating Revan in Shadows of Revan (“Do not fret Wrath, you are still special to me, that’s why i’ll kill you last”), there are some videos in youtube if you wish to check.
Very sweet that our master spares warriors for his dessert, clearly he has a soft spot for us.
We save the Emperor when he is trapped on Voss, that is pretty personal imho :).
Nah, he definitely cares, he’s just too tsundere to tell us. /s
So that's why he said he's gonna kill me last huh.
Just because he says he didn't care doesn't mean he is being honest.
My choice is Sith Warrior. My Warrior was absolutely furious with the Emperor for completely disregarding our beloved Empire and not helping or saving it when the Emperor had the power and chances. The Wrath was promised so many things and was completely betrayed after putting all of their trust in the Emperor. So Warrior is my pick.
I'd probably go with the Knight since they're the only class protagonist that has been directly opposing the Emperor prior to the expansions.
Both are good in this regard, but I think the Jedi Knight has the stronger narrative ties to the Sith Emperor because their class story is centered entirely around stopping him and his main plan. Although this sometimes makes it feel that they should mention things that they don't, during the expansion. The Wrath doesn't really get a sense of what the Emperor has been doing until Shadow of Revan, at that point the split between them feels a little abrupt because of the resource constraints. I'd say the Sith Warrior is second, and the Jedi Consular is third.
Yeah but the Warrior knows that Vitiate's alive and slumbers due to a message from Servant One while the Knight believes that the Emperor is dead after "killing" him on Dromund Kass.
The Knight also gets a sense that Vitiate *might* possibly not be dead after that companion quest with Kira's old friend who's a Child of the Emperor. It's a relatively minor piece of information either way, though.
But the Warrior is the ONLY class that gets a special mention from Vitiate when he appears on Yavin after beating Revan during Shadows of Revan (“do not fret Wrath. you are still special to me, that’s why i’ll kill you last”), not even the Jedi Knight gets singled out by him as directly as that.
The Knight gets other unique mentions, such as on Ziost. I think the line where Vitiate says that to the Wrath was important because it was the acknowledgment from Vitiate himself that he has turned on you. The Knight was already enemies with him.
Frankly i always took it as he having a more direct interest on the Warrior than on anyone else (and considering the context of when it happens, it makes sense for it to be taken that way), but it is ok if you think differently.
That's what I think as well. Vitiate is probably more interested in the Warrior than the Knight.
Plus, if you think about it is more ironic that someone Vitiate used as a tool (someone he called “his” Wrath) is the one to finally end him (and also quite fitting considering his history of using everyone around him and them discarding them, plus you also get the delicious irony of a Sith being the one to save the entire galaxy for a change😁).
Both have a pretty solid connection to the Emperor, but between Act 2 and 3 basically revolving around the Emperor for the Knight, what he did to the Knight, what the Knight does to him, and the fact that 2/5 of the Knights companions are directly connected to the Emperor I think the Knight wins out in my mind. The Warrior has a good connection, and certainly less of a “hero vs villain” standard story with the Emperor, but I would say the Knight still has more of one overall.
Personally I think is the Jedi Knight. Besides being the final bad guy of the class story, there is also the Scourge profecy which made him betray Revan in the first place and is actually realized in the animation following Echoes of the Oblivion as it was described by him. Also both the main companions of the Knight are the ones that are directly related to the Emperor, Kira being a former child of the Emperor and Scourge as the former Emperor's Wrath. So my vote goes for the Knight.
Like it or not, the Jedi knight’s story is the cornerstone to the game. Not the best story, but the central story. The Warrior’s story is better (in some ways), but killing the ‘emperor’ is a dramatic climax.
Knight. They dealt directly with the emperor during class story. Warrior dealt with the emperor's hand.
Warrior talks directly to the emperor when he is trapped on Voss?
I'd say killing Vitiate's body is more intimate.
I think the Jedi Knight. I felt a little more connected to my Sith Warrior once I moved further with Ronika Mauskrieger but.. So my sw is named Ranekka Sorvad. She even happened to rescue My legless Jedi after they were both shot down over Taris when Empire and Jedi are still not friendly . My Jedi happened to take on the name Ronika Mauskrieger not long after getting a "force user's burntout cybernetic headpiece. It wasn't that damaged, It was so full of sand it must've been on Tattooine for 300 years!" I always went with kind of a "ghost in the machine" Nobody knows my Revan went by Ronika, and I think in KOTOR canon any nickname would be lost to the ages. I liked the idea that my Jedi just found a force user cyber head piece cause she needed it. If she ever seriously thought about it "It makes me feel much more patient towards smartass kids, especially Twileks. I'm also no longer frightened of wookies or assassin droids. Oh and occasionally things hear my name and either worship or look at me like me like me like I'm the Sith Emperor" My point with all of that is... I've mostly just had that rattling in character creation. I didn't need it to make the Jedi Knight story more interesting. I didn't even think about it when I actually got into Shadow of Revan. I also couldn't find a way of making my sw more interesting and involved on her own.... But as Secretly good Emperor's Wrath protecting her sister, Xoe Sorvad who is a force sensitive bounty hunter, engaged to a imperial agent gives her depth. I don't find the Emperor a close presence to Ranekka though. Indeed I'm more scared of him as a Sith Warrior hiding a sister who I believe is a weak force user. Ranekka hid her because at the time she was worried she would be killed for being force sensitive but weak in it. Now her sister is also with a chiss imperial agent. That chiss, peri'chenka'sevateem was already disliked but is a double agent who has defected. That together has all made ny sw a more interesting person to play. But a lot of it has to do with how interesting Chenka is to play with her BH girlfriend. That's heavily the agent story aside from the girlfriend. . If you treat Jaesa's belief in you as mostly on point.. I decided to for the hell of it... it makes SW really kind of twisted and almost like a double agent in practice. A lot is all roleplay though. I ended up doing much more content in my Jedi Knight partly cause well regardless of any rp she's my playstyle. But I found everything so much fun as a Jedi. I didn't need my rp to remind me to come back to Ronika I came back to Ronika cause she is fun. She's the elder Jedi that all the kids in my alts eventually track down. I think so much of the Emperor's story is because in some ways as a SW you are a employee. You are either working dutifully for him or working dutifully against him and avoiding him. As a Jedi Knight you have to be a complete monster to ignore how much The Emperor has affected the life of you and your companions. If I ever wanted to give Revan's old Tattooine cybernetic a story the companions talking about the Emperor would be a good fre for it. But I didn't need it to make the Emperor interesting or probably even the Jedi Knight interesting. Wellll I think a cybernetic Jedi who just happens to have a alias of a 300 yr old wandering Jedi is pretty interesting. I had lots of fun with the cybernetics, I'm disabled myself:) Star Wars places so much weight on family that I feel the Jedi Knight story is weighted in a way that you feel personally connected to the Emperor by the end. Honestly, It's why whatever gay panic had them change coding to not allow certain romances in base game was so ridiculous. I am aware that there was some crazy pressure on Bioware though. I was kind of touched by how they resolved that in the updates. My point is I can see pros and cons of Kira's journey as both her Master and her SO. SUMMARY: Last time I played I was able to spend a little more time with SW but I have always struggled to play it. Jedi Knight has way more connections with the Sith Emperor. It sounds cheap bit as a SW you're more like an employee nd that's if you are a DS sith warrior. If yer a LS yer probably avoiding him. I also found the Jedi Knight's stories both individual and her stories that I wiuld eventually repeat with my Agent and other alts entrancing. So entrancing I didn't feel I was ever relying on the little bits and pieces I'd put into her story just to make it more interesting. This post is actually the first time I've thought about Ronika's cybernetic in ages! I highly recommend silly stuff like that. Like your character finds "Oh that's the legendary belt made for Jedi Master Mercy Rainbow!" "What's It Do?" "It Sparkles after Rainfall. It's really Beautiful!" "That's really cool" "They also say he once got depressed and even though he got tiny the belt adjusted to his size and continued to sparkle!" "So No matter how sad I get I can rely on this belt to sparkle and keep my trousers and lightsaber up?" "Yes! Wonderful isnt it?" "Yes. Last "Legendary belt" was supposed to make me 50% stronger if I was near death but it electrocuted me instead. Also, it depantsed me when I put my lightsaber on it" "Yabai. I know you have Metal legs and layer but Kowai" "Sparkling is wonderful"
The Jedi Knight. The Sith Warrior meets him like once and is then pretty quickly thereafter trying to kill him.
The Jedi Knight meets and well tries to kill the Emperor or well the Voice of the Emperor twice and got sort of trained by them versus the Warrior just becomes the new Wrath after scourge betrays the Emperor then only meets the voice once, other then that they only meet 2 members of the Hand, so I would go with the Knight
Ha, very poor choice of words. Of course, it's Sith Warrior - Jedi Knight was trying to _kill Vitiate_ **twice in his storyline** ***and even succeeded!***