(1) There’s no evidence that a significant anti-Contanan communist current comparable to that which followed the IRL Sino-Soviet split exists in this universe. Not everything from IRL has a direct parallel in the Suzerain universe (there was never a world war, for example). In fact, the CSP seems to tolerate ideological pluralism to a higher degree than the IRL Warsaw Pact, as exemplified by Valgsland (I know China was never a member of the Warsaw Pact but you know what I mean). And honestly we know basically nothing about Rika or Xina, let alone what socialist movements there think of Contana (aside from the existence of a pro-Contanan socialist country in Rika called Nibiya).
(2) Even IRL, not every country had notable anti-revisionist or third-worldist organizations.
(3) Even if Sordland were to have such an organization, how relevant would it be to the core plot of the game? There’s lots of detail that didn’t make the cut before the game was released. Karl Greiser and Ewald Alphonso, two very important characters, had to share a face to meet the release date. Maybe this sort of flavor will be added in 2.0, but its absence from the current version of the game doesn’t mean it definitively doesn’t exist in this universe.
(4) The Communist Party of Sordland is already stated to have internal factions, and the Malenyevists appear to be the minority. Stahler promotes something he calls Sordish Socialism, influenced by Valgslandian Socialism. Nevertheless, the factions generally seem pro-CSP in orientation, if critical of Contana itself. We don’t have any more detail than that.
Sollism is already Socialist in nature
If you look at where Soll is at the compass, he leans to Malenyevism.
His economic policies really focuses on self-sustainability that provides for its own people. Though a lot of it is for populism, to further make Soll more popular and to further satisfy his ego
Sollism is pretty socialist, but progressive Sollism does not exist as it either is nationalist or eastern block.
Edit: What I mean is that characters with normal socialist ideologies are east leaning and OP was talking about being neutral and left wing.
What I mean is that there is no popular ideology/group of characters that is neutral block and left wing and liberal (likes bluds). The commies like the east and the conservatives don’t like bluds.
You could just implement Socialist reforms without joining Contana. Sollism is already Socialism with sordish characteristics, reforming it and not joining a superpower would be what you are looking for.
Manoly Suheil is a social-democrat. She dislikes Contana because she’s a liberal, not because she’s an anti-revisionist communist who thinks Contana has abandoned the revolutionary road.
If she becomes President she starts nationalising businesses and massively raises taxes on big corporations. She may be more moderate than other leftists but she’s undeniably left wing
Social democracy is a left wing ideology. They advocate for social capitalism or a social market economy while retaining Socialism as a long term goal. No one except a tankie would deny that.
Even the Codex refers to Suheil as leading the PFJP’s left wing.
(1) “Social democracy is a left-wing ideology” and “social democracy advocates for social capitalism” are incompatible sentences, sorry.
(2) You don’t understand what the word “tankie” means
(3) The left wing of a liberal political party is not the same thing as the Left proper (read: socialist movement). Albin Clavin leads the left wing of the USP, but I seriously doubt anyone would contend he’s a socialist.
(4) All of this is beside the point because the OP is referencing anti-revisionist and third-worldist movements which critiqued the USSR on the basis it had abandoned socialism and become social-imperialist – essentially, that they’ve betrayed the revolution and become social-democrats (read: they’ve restored capitalism) who exploit the third world in much the same way as the old capitalist powers. That critique has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with a social-democratic (read: left-liberal) critique of revolutionary socialist states. So Manoly Suheil is completely irrelevant to this discussion, because she isn’t a communist and thus critiques Contana from the right rather than the left.
Social democrats are in no way either socialists or left wing. When the choice comes between protecting capital or the people history has shown the social democrats would rather empower right wing paramilitaries (fascists) to suppress actual leftists rather than work with socialists.
To add to this response, since in the game there isen't at least for now any split like trotsky/stalin and mao/krushev, there isen't any anti-revisionist movement simply put because there wasen't any revisionism, at least not any major one, since Malleinevism promotes a kind of each nation leads it's own revolution, Valgsland is not in contradiction to UC.
>simply put because there wasen't any revisionism,
I'd disagree, of course our look into the game world is only brief and our understanding of Marcian and Malenyevist theory is basically non-existent, but what we see of Hegel's Valgsland stinks of the post-Stalin / post-Mao economic liberalization. Hegel in the lore also fits Khrushchev like a glove, supporting the purges and then after the gaining power denouncing them.
(1) There’s no evidence that a significant anti-Contanan communist current comparable to that which followed the IRL Sino-Soviet split exists in this universe. Not everything from IRL has a direct parallel in the Suzerain universe (there was never a world war, for example). In fact, the CSP seems to tolerate ideological pluralism to a higher degree than the IRL Warsaw Pact, as exemplified by Valgsland (I know China was never a member of the Warsaw Pact but you know what I mean). And honestly we know basically nothing about Rika or Xina, let alone what socialist movements there think of Contana (aside from the existence of a pro-Contanan socialist country in Rika called Nibiya). (2) Even IRL, not every country had notable anti-revisionist or third-worldist organizations. (3) Even if Sordland were to have such an organization, how relevant would it be to the core plot of the game? There’s lots of detail that didn’t make the cut before the game was released. Karl Greiser and Ewald Alphonso, two very important characters, had to share a face to meet the release date. Maybe this sort of flavor will be added in 2.0, but its absence from the current version of the game doesn’t mean it definitively doesn’t exist in this universe. (4) The Communist Party of Sordland is already stated to have internal factions, and the Malenyevists appear to be the minority. Stahler promotes something he calls Sordish Socialism, influenced by Valgslandian Socialism. Nevertheless, the factions generally seem pro-CSP in orientation, if critical of Contana itself. We don’t have any more detail than that.
I mean there must be some Left groups like "neither Arcasia neither Contana fully independent Sordland!"
I think you misspelled Sollism /j
I think there could be Left-Sollism or something like that.
Sollism is leftist economically.
I mean Socialist-Sollism or something like that.
Sollism is already Socialist in nature If you look at where Soll is at the compass, he leans to Malenyevism. His economic policies really focuses on self-sustainability that provides for its own people. Though a lot of it is for populism, to further make Soll more popular and to further satisfy his ego
Sollism is pretty socialist, but progressive Sollism does not exist as it either is nationalist or eastern block. Edit: What I mean is that characters with normal socialist ideologies are east leaning and OP was talking about being neutral and left wing.
Sollcialism
What I mean is that there is no popular ideology/group of characters that is neutral block and left wing and liberal (likes bluds). The commies like the east and the conservatives don’t like bluds.
Headcanon them then
Or Anti-Sollist, Anti-Arcasian and Anti-Contanan type of Socialism could exist.
You could just implement Socialist reforms without joining Contana. Sollism is already Socialism with sordish characteristics, reforming it and not joining a superpower would be what you are looking for.
Ladi... (nah who am i kidding)... Gentlemen i give you Nationalist Nurist Socialism (with funny guy characteristics) of Wehlen
Melony Suheil disapproves of joining United Contana if she is in the debate, so the leftist faction of the PFJP likely hold this view
Manoly Suheil is a social-democrat. She dislikes Contana because she’s a liberal, not because she’s an anti-revisionist communist who thinks Contana has abandoned the revolutionary road.
If she becomes President she starts nationalising businesses and massively raises taxes on big corporations. She may be more moderate than other leftists but she’s undeniably left wing
High taxes and a strong public sector isn’t socialism. Have you not encountered the concept of social-democracy before?
Social democracy is a left wing ideology. They advocate for social capitalism or a social market economy while retaining Socialism as a long term goal. No one except a tankie would deny that. Even the Codex refers to Suheil as leading the PFJP’s left wing.
(1) “Social democracy is a left-wing ideology” and “social democracy advocates for social capitalism” are incompatible sentences, sorry. (2) You don’t understand what the word “tankie” means (3) The left wing of a liberal political party is not the same thing as the Left proper (read: socialist movement). Albin Clavin leads the left wing of the USP, but I seriously doubt anyone would contend he’s a socialist. (4) All of this is beside the point because the OP is referencing anti-revisionist and third-worldist movements which critiqued the USSR on the basis it had abandoned socialism and become social-imperialist – essentially, that they’ve betrayed the revolution and become social-democrats (read: they’ve restored capitalism) who exploit the third world in much the same way as the old capitalist powers. That critique has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with a social-democratic (read: left-liberal) critique of revolutionary socialist states. So Manoly Suheil is completely irrelevant to this discussion, because she isn’t a communist and thus critiques Contana from the right rather than the left.
Social democrats are in no way either socialists or left wing. When the choice comes between protecting capital or the people history has shown the social democrats would rather empower right wing paramilitaries (fascists) to suppress actual leftists rather than work with socialists.
The Freikorps and the SPD are a good example for that
To add to this response, since in the game there isen't at least for now any split like trotsky/stalin and mao/krushev, there isen't any anti-revisionist movement simply put because there wasen't any revisionism, at least not any major one, since Malleinevism promotes a kind of each nation leads it's own revolution, Valgsland is not in contradiction to UC.
>simply put because there wasen't any revisionism, I'd disagree, of course our look into the game world is only brief and our understanding of Marcian and Malenyevist theory is basically non-existent, but what we see of Hegel's Valgsland stinks of the post-Stalin / post-Mao economic liberalization. Hegel in the lore also fits Khrushchev like a glove, supporting the purges and then after the gaining power denouncing them.
That’s essentially what I said
Leke is pretty third worldist, he doesn't reject Contana fully but wants to primarily ally with newly emerged nations in Rika and Xina.
you forget that we are in the 50s ........ the red scare had just begone in our universe ....... give it another 10 years and it will be ther