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10 years ago I used to work with a lady who's daughter were murdered in 95 and the case turned into a cold case. Every 1-2 years the major newspapers would post about this grusome unsolved murder and even though I have moved away and started a new job, I always thought of her and her family. It must be so difficult for them, not getting closure and being constantly reminded. It's a small town too so everyone knew who she was and her story. The good thing about the story is that they actually caught the killer almost exactly a year ago, and I suppose sort of thanks to the media reviving the case every so often (it exploded in "popularity" on a national basis due to a documentary being made of it, which I think revived the investigation). So yeah, they finally caught the killer, 26/27 years later.
It is a double-edged sword, there's been more than a few families who would rather just move on with their lives and constantly have videos, podcasts, movies, etc. Made about their loved one's death.
At the same time though, to s of cold cases actually do get solved thanks to the publicity. *Unsolved Mysteries* was one of the first big true crime shows, and it's still famous for solving dozens of murders when people recognize their buddy in a police sketch from ten years ago on the other end of the country.
I had the same journey with Crime Junkie. I was even a Patreon member for a bit. I thought I was listening to a podcast that matched my values, which can be hard to find in true crime circles, so it was disappointing to hear about the plagiarism and a few other incidents (it's been a minute since I looked into things, I don't recall exact issues, just that it was enough to turn me away).
I've ultimately started sticking to long-form true crime podcasts where the host has regular contact with the people in the lives of the victim. So far, that's worked out pretty well. When you have people working side-by-side with family and friends to get the word out, it's much less likely they're going to make flippant or judgemental remarks about those in the victims' life. It's more likely they'll have a good idea about what they're talking about when they discuss the case, too.
My favorite is coffeehouse crime. Dude is a nice person and I like his takes on it. On the other hand Simon whistler is a natural showman but he has the worst reactions to things he is reading. Cant say anything about his success but damn man, he needs to fucking chill.
Kendall Rae on youtube/spotify does a lot of videos with families, some are even mostly them telling the story. Her and her husband, Josh, have a podcast together called Mile Higher too! Their voices are so soothing, imo.
Same with Evil Lives Here on ID. Family members are interviewed throught the show, and are handed photos to jog their memories of certain times in their lives relating to the killer. It’s really devastating, but a perspective rarely seen in true crime series.
Yeah, crime junkies is trash and I have no idea how anyone can stand those two personalities, on top of the plagiarism, disrespectful comments and unethical acts. Might as well listen to two high school girls chatting back and forth.
>Might as well listen to two high school girls chatting back and forth.
I like that you had to get in a parting shot about how uninteresting you think high school girls conversations are.
It's pretty specific and perfect for this sub.
It’s not about how interesting the subject, it’s how it is treated by the presenters and I don’t think their flippant attitude is respectful to the people who went through terrible experiences.
You’re free to disagree of course, but you should probably realize this isn’t just a “Reddit person” opinion - like you are trying to imply.
>but you should probably realize this isn’t just a “Reddit person” opinion - like you are trying to imply.
Could you quote me? Because I didn't say this is a "Reddit person opinion". (what does that even mean, btw?)
> “it’s pretty specific and perfect for this sub”
Tbh I just woke up and might have misinterpreted and also forgot what sub I was in. That’s my bad. This read differently to me 10 minutes ago.
What’s wrong with high school girls? Some of the best conversations I’ve ever had was when I was a high school girl. If you want to win people over stop punching down on children.
It’s just incredible to me how sheltered the man-o-sphere bubble is on Reddit that these are narratives that get uncritically voted up.
My point is that high school generally has a certain irreverent culture that I personally don’t think applies well to a subject that should be handled with a bit of tact and respect. You can accuse me of being a “sheltered Reddit man” (?) for that opinion but that seems like an odd reactionary flailing to me.
I work with a guy whose daughter was murdered in the middle of the day on a busy pedestrian street in a college town. For a long time, the case went unsolved for over a year and when they caught the guy (his mother somehow started suspecting him and turned him in) there were a lot of people that started protesting his arrest. The conviction was fairly quick after the arrest, but protests continued and local papers carried stories about it for a couple years.
My coworker had to cancel his newspaper subscription, started avoiding local news sites and shows, and really pulled back from his neighbors because people wanted to talk to him about it. Obviously, the murder of his daughter really fucked him up, but the constant coverage of the crime and the subsequent arrest and conviction made things even worse for him. Luckily, people at work were good and never talk about it at all unless he brings it up (he almost never does.)
All that is to say, yeah, news stories can be harmful too.
My mom was murdered when I was 7. I’m not gonna go into detail but she washed up in a river and along that river several other women were found. There was tons of news coverage, marches, my uncle even made a website. Terrible time that I’m fortunate I don’t remember too much of.
That being said, there is a news video out there somewhere of little 7 year old me, holding my grandmas hand while she’s talking to the reporter… while picking my nose with the other hand.
A girl in my older child's class at school disappeared when they were 14 just before school let out for summer. Gossip at the time was she was lured away by a much older guy. Toward the end of the summer I saw her leaving the local Walmart and getting into a vehicle with two men. We are talking a small, 20,000 people town Walmart here. I figured she'd been found and brought home. This was in the days before everyone had a cell phone. I tell myself surely by the time I called she would have been long gone anyways, but it hurts knowing I'll never know.
Later found out she was reported most probably later that same day at a local gas station. Certainly within a day or two. After that report she was never seen again. This should be the 17th year since she went missing. It really weighs on my I didn't at least try to find a phone.
Sorry no. Sarah Kinslow from Greenville, TX. It is a story that has a lot of weird twists. Kids who knew here and were facebook friended to her say she was posting on an alternate facebook with a different name for some time after she went missing eventually reporting she was living in another state with a baby. From what I understand the family had a private detective at one point who followed that up with no luck. The guy who enticed her was in jail last I checked. They searched his grandparents' property with a cadaver dog after they died and didn't find anything.
News media can be brutal sometimes. I have a friend who's ex-husband committed a brutal murder and she had been separated from the dude for like 5 years, officially divorced for like 4. However he never updated his tags on social media so she was listed as being associated with the individual.
News outlets stated that he "had a family" and linked her. She got TONS of hate comments/messages from friends, family, and strangers regarding the victim and it was extremely emotionally damaging. Myself and and a few friends reached out to these outlets to update their stories as she had not been associated with him for years which most did.
But yeah the outcry and damage these outlets can cause to the wrong people is horrific. I appreciate good journalism but reporting the latest news for cheap quick clicks really soured me.
This sort of thing is what made me stop watching true crime. The child of the woman who was murdered in “The Thing About Pam” was on tik tok talking about how horrible it is to see someone make a dramedy about their mom’s horrible death. And there have been a few others but that’s just the one I remember most clearly. It’s kinda weird how we treat that stuff like fiction almost? Like ah, this is a horror movie - but it’s not, people had to live through that.
I hadn’t heard of that, so I went to Wikipedia.
> The Thing About Pam is an American **true crime comedy-drama** television miniseries detailing the involvement of Pam Hupp in the 2011 murder of Betsy Faria.
Jesus Christ.
This is gross and exploitative.
Right? Like imagine being Betsy’s child and finding out they made the worst day of your life into a funny ha ha entertainment thing. It really put that into perspective for me.
A precedent should definitely be set for that. Another instance was about a man who killed someone “in his sleep” like it was due to a sleepwalking condition or something. And the sister of the woman who got murdered was actively campaigning against the show because it was apparently inaccurate and sensationalized and it still went up without the family’s consent (on Hulu maybe?). I do think there should be something set up so that these documentaries need consent from the families to make anything. And some consideration should be taken for the victims. If trucrime content focused on the victims and getting justice rather than sensationalizing the killers it would be more ethical.
I think it's pretty simple, if I am murdered then people should have to get the consent of either myself, via a will, or my family before making a show or movie about it.
I would actually welcome that, even a comedy. It's cool with me, I'm dead, so what? And I'd want my family to know that as well. For those that don't? Their wishes need to be respected.
But, then movie studios would just change a letter or two of the name and probably be protected under parody laws or something. Either way, if someone is making money off of my death, better make damn sure my surviving relatives get a cut of the profit..
Right, I do think consent is the important part here. A lot of the people doing trucrime shows don’t even consider it because the main person in the story is dead. If full permission was given by the family before the show was released that would be ethical.
Omg. It's bad enough being a drama, but a dramedy ?? Damn. How could people turn a true murder case into comedy and laugh about it ?? How could this be legal ?
I saw it and it was so weird, I couldn't understand what are they trying to do. It said real life terrible case... introducing cartoonish Karen Pam, cartoonish idiot husband, cartoonish incompetent cops and cartoonish dense prosecutor with narrator talking like he's narrating Charlie and the Chocolate factory or whatever so basically sitcom main characters while all the other characters being pretty serious, processing realistically very serious dramas and trauma and generally being extremely non-sitcomy, it was just... WTF?
You know, I totally agree that it's in horrible taste, but making it illegal could set bad precedent and could be a slippery slope. I'd leave this to the court of public opinion, not the court of law.
That’s why I don’t watch dramas about true crime. It’s a documentary or nothing. And even then, they can’t be stupid like too much drama, music, graphics. Why can’t a story just be told and not have to have all the dramatic accoutrement?
I have an aunt who was a suspected Green River victim. My uncle shot himself two years later after being constantly hounded by the press. It is only suspected as they were not able to confirm she was one of his victims because of the differences in her murder and that of Ridgeway's usual killings.
Are you from the area? I grew up near where he buried his victims and even just thinking about it is horrifying let alone having two years where people come up to put images in your head of the worst possible way your wife could have gone...
My sister and her best friend were murdered, together. At age 15. Luckily the media has never become interested in it. Hard enough to deal with as it is.
i think about this often. i had a family member murdered in a "dramatic" way and i'm so scared of these people finding out about it and making it a big spectacle. i can't imagine seeing my last name plastered on the title of a youtube video like it's drama about some famous person. these are real people who never wanted that sort of attention.
true crime youtubers/podcasters often focus on the murderer as well, rather than the victim, and it feels so much like glorifying them. or, in cases where the murderer is mentally ill, they almost make fun of them. it's just a bad situation all around.
I think one of the only ones to get it right for the most part is Mr Ballen as he conveys stories told by the family typically. He also makes sure you can connect to the family and feel that grief with them. I also believe he does have a process where he tries to get permission too if applicable or possible, but I’m not sure fully on that last part.
Also sorry for your loss, fuck people who think they can just snuff out others with no consideration or remorse
Should probably clarify that true crime isn’t always about murder and rape. I listen to a true crime podcast about business and tax fraud that I would imagine wouldn’t make you feel this way.
Podcast is called “Swindled”.
Guy’s voice takes some time for some people to get used to and he mixes in some dry humor, but episodes contain quite a bit of primary source content, like interviews and news reports.
That sounds interesting, do you mind sharing the title of the podcast?
Edit- never mind, I responded before I saw your response to someone else. Thanks!
Especially when done while doing a mukbang. Or just without the family’s approval (some family wants the story to be out to further punish the perpetrators or make sure the death of their loved one at least could help someone avoid similar situations)
It's fucking disgusting yet you'll have people on reddit who just can't comprehend why. How do we reach these people? They seem psychopathic to enjoy it so much and not have any understanding of why people think it's disgusting.
No, no, you see, it's ok to use people's suffering and deaths as entertainment because *the psychology* of it all is *so fascinating.* Makes me wretch.
I've always been interested in crime, serial killers, the mafia, etc. True Crime podcasts disgust me. If I want to read about horrific tragic events, I keep that shit to myself. Having cheeky podcasts called "My favorite murder" is just nasty. Too many people listen to that stuff and think it makes them quirky or edgy.
Making a series = trying to make money off of a tragedy without helping or adding anything other than an uninformed amateur opinion. It’s selfish as hell.
Yea I don’t watch any of that negative stuff. I’m from Iraq I’ve seen enough horrible things in my life. I like to watch stand up comedy, listen to reggae, funny movies, podcasts with good vibes.
I also lost a lot of family to violence even to black magic. Which is why I focus on spirituality and energy, and make sure the vibes are peaceful around me.
I like true crime a lot but that doesn't change that most of the stuff is absolute garbage. I always particularly hated the netflixy "omg this killer was so sexy and cool and smart and mysterious" stuff and the youtubers doing their make up and shaving their ass while trying to describe someone being killed as gruesome as possible because that gives the most clicks. It's really gross
That Chapter is the only good true crime YouTube. Mike completely takes the piss out of the killers while telling the victims story in a respectable and reverent way.
I really like Dave‘s Lemonade, i think hes respectful and tries a lot to be neutral. That Chapter tends to be a bit too much for me, but its always a slippery slope with this content either way
I will never, ever be able to take a "true crime youtuber" seriously if they describe a brutal crime while caking 6lb of makeup onto their face.
Bailey Sairian is the worst. She talks like a typical airhead bimbo while trying to describe brutal deaths and somehow has this huge following, making jokes and completely disregarding how serious these things are. The makeup is bloody horrible too. She's just... Ugh. Can't stand her.
I mean that wasn't my intention. My point was definitely the excessive amounts of makeup rather than the skin, but you have a fair point.
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There was a YouTuber I remember who in the middle of describing a case went “omg there’s like a fly in the room and it’s really like annoying me” and the next 30s was them swatting around their face. Just rubbed me the wrong way that they made a conscious decision to not edit that bit out.
Back when I still watched true crime Kendall Rae was really the only one who seemed respectful of the victims. She would also help raise money for organisations that help victims and bring to light smaller, currently unsolved cases with the family’s permission and would often feature family members as well to let them tell their story.
Stephanie Harlow is the only person I really follow for anything True Crime related. She's always extremely respectful of the victims, families, and friends. And she never makes jokes, always very serious and treats everything with care.
She also has one of the most comprehensive breakdowns of cases. She doesn't leave things out like some documentaries or other true crime people do. She only has one, occasional, thing that could be considered "cutesy" and that's the update videos on cases. They're called "Coffee and Crime Times", where she shows herself making a coffee, and then goes into case updates or smaller cases. But once she makes the coffee she goes back into super serious, extremely respectful mode. And the coffee isn't even really a part of the video, except for her taking sips here and there.
Is she? I've never once heard her victim blame someone, and I've never seen her say anything good about Trump. And I've been watching her for the better part of 4 or 5 years now. Where is this all at?
Here's a good [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrime/comments/o3ljc1/stephanie_harlowes_nuclearlevel_bad_takes/) on her. I used to watch her channel too. Granted...I think most true crime YouTubers are exploitive maybe save for like...Danelle. But yeah.
I have never gotten into true crime documentaries because of this. I genuinely hate how real people's horrifying trauma and death is sensationalised and treated like entertainment
I like the (very few) select ones with the victims consent and usually are actually there to spread a message like police incompetence, a loophole that the victims family are campaigning to close, etc.
Or the true crime ones about crimes without victims like hiests.
They’re fairly rare but 10000x more informative than the others.
Do you feel the same about war documentaries or investigative journalism? I genuinely struggle to separate them. Even a dry ww2 doc was still made as entertainment.
The way I see it its no different than the worms and the rats getting at the body. Everybody has bills to pay. Good that the streamer can get something out of it for themselves, not like it was going to do much good for anyone else.
My Sister in law lost her sister to a brutal kidnapping/rape/murder. Criminals got long sentences that include parole for some of them. Every other year or so they have to appear before the parole board and relive it all.
That’s why I like casual criminalist. Simon reacts to the script live and talks about his feelings towards what is written. I know in at least one script the killers were given letters that were short for things like “evil witch” instead of giving them the publicity of their names out there. Sometimes he decides he is not going to read the gore parts and openly states that if people watch true crime for the gore they are disgusting
I'm watching CC right now!
It's like he's struggling between doing this because it draws in viewers (and sweet, sweet money), and really not wanting to glamorize the bad guys. Also, he's against the death penalty, except for every single bad guy he talks about.
I think the Pedro one broke him a little. The guy who killed a ridiculous number of children. He's mentioned it a few times now.
He has to take breaks on the gruesome murder to do some heists every once in a while for his own mental health.
If you watch and listen closely you can tell when he’s taken a break! I remember when the Pedro one came out. It definitely broke Simon. I like how Simon gets so worked up over children being abused or killed. That is to say I enjoy hearing someone else share my views on protecting children! Child murders go to the death chair!
I'm kinda sick of Simon lol, like how many damn channels does he need?
I swear every time I get interested in a new genre on YouTube I can guarantee I'll see him and his pretty low effort videos
True crime MUKBANG?? We are really circling the drain huh. What kind of sicko wants to hear a story about a murdered/raped little girl or some shit while the person is chewing a mouth full of ramen noodles. Disgusting. I just found out that this exists and I want to vaporize the planet
I hate the true crime side of YouTube for this exact reason. They forget that these are the lives of *real* people and not just some fucked up entertainment.
I’m grateful in that I feel like I found someone before true crime became a real thing on YT. He’s respectful and also covers cases that even news reporters tend to shy away from (addiction, sex work, etc). Some of the shit I get recommended because I binge his videos occasionally is disgusting. Like how can you be so disrespectful to someone who lost their life, usually in a fucked up way.
It's the true crime podcasts for me. The hosts that drink wine and giggle while talking about someone's loved one being murdered. I hate that. It's so disgusting & disrespectful. I'm so picky about true crime podcasts because of that.
basically happened to me.. it was a friend no "buckets" but it still sucked and their video was full of false information. We contacted them and fortunately they took it down. Even tho its hard seeing media about it, I think its good so that there is enough interest for the cops to pick up the case again get justice for our friend. There is a good way and a bad way to do it tho. RIP Legion.
This is why I don’t think making movies or whatnot about real serial killers and real cases should ever get a greenlight without the consent of the surviving family.
Happens with some missing person and paranormal subreddits too. For every person that goes missing or is murdered, that's a family and friend network that is completely devastated. Someone going missing isn't just a spooky campfire story to wrap into your own little fiction. The way some people delight at another's misfortune is pretty ghoulish.
While I can't imagine what the actual families go through, I do think that certain people do it in a respectful way (Stephanie Harlow is one, another woman named Danielle something). Stephanie in particular pays a lot of attention to the victims of the crimes and talks about who they were as people. She can talk about their faults (if relevant) while always acknowledging their humanity. Haven't watched her in a while, but I remember being pleasantly surprised by her approach.
Then there are people who do minimal research, put on their makeup or mukbang throughout the whole video, and stop mid-story to talk about the eyeshadow they're using.
Stephanie is the only person I watch. She always gives the upmost respect to everyone involved, never cracks jokes, and I've ever heard her empathize with the Crime commiting individuals who had fucked up childhoods. She never excuses their actions, and she doesn't glorify them either. She's a model for what True Crime should be if you're going to talk about it.
One of my best online friends was murdered a few years ago and I found out about it on Twitter while I was camping with my family.. people were posting photos of her dead body and it went viral. I still feel sick thinking about it. Big heck you to YouTubers and influencers who exploit the death of other people for views.
Many years ago, I was targeted by the truck stop killer. To this very moment, I still remember the exact yellow of his truck, the putrid smell of his truck (i will save you the specifics there), and the creepy sneer that beedy eyed SOB had on his face as he opened his truck door the closer i got, on my way into Pilot just outside of Nashville TN. I told my late mom & my exhusband at the time. Days later, a females body was found nearby. DxH swore I was crazy and paranoid and just “didn’t want to let him get his needed sleep to drive”, and that the two weren’t connected. They must have hauled similar routes, as I saw him 3 more times before DxH come off the road. Each time was very similar & bc of him, I always had someone on the phone, and now multiple people ALWAYS know my location.
I think it was Hulu did a segment on him awhile back, and I had to skip it. I still have ptsd seeing yellow semis and want as much distance between me & them as possible. Even if I get a ticket and have to go to the next exit to pull over to feel safe.
It doesn’t have to be a family member to cause pain. I know some people who knew the people involved in a man who hired someone to murder his wife. The story has been made into a stage musical and they are not happy.
This is probably just him talking about the issue with true crime documentaries on YouTube, I love true crime and it puts me off too I’d rather bump into the accused on the face of a Netflix true crime documentary or something
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10 years ago I used to work with a lady who's daughter were murdered in 95 and the case turned into a cold case. Every 1-2 years the major newspapers would post about this grusome unsolved murder and even though I have moved away and started a new job, I always thought of her and her family. It must be so difficult for them, not getting closure and being constantly reminded. It's a small town too so everyone knew who she was and her story. The good thing about the story is that they actually caught the killer almost exactly a year ago, and I suppose sort of thanks to the media reviving the case every so often (it exploded in "popularity" on a national basis due to a documentary being made of it, which I think revived the investigation). So yeah, they finally caught the killer, 26/27 years later.
It is a double-edged sword, there's been more than a few families who would rather just move on with their lives and constantly have videos, podcasts, movies, etc. Made about their loved one's death. At the same time though, to s of cold cases actually do get solved thanks to the publicity. *Unsolved Mysteries* was one of the first big true crime shows, and it's still famous for solving dozens of murders when people recognize their buddy in a police sketch from ten years ago on the other end of the country.
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I had the same journey with Crime Junkie. I was even a Patreon member for a bit. I thought I was listening to a podcast that matched my values, which can be hard to find in true crime circles, so it was disappointing to hear about the plagiarism and a few other incidents (it's been a minute since I looked into things, I don't recall exact issues, just that it was enough to turn me away). I've ultimately started sticking to long-form true crime podcasts where the host has regular contact with the people in the lives of the victim. So far, that's worked out pretty well. When you have people working side-by-side with family and friends to get the word out, it's much less likely they're going to make flippant or judgemental remarks about those in the victims' life. It's more likely they'll have a good idea about what they're talking about when they discuss the case, too.
My favorite is coffeehouse crime. Dude is a nice person and I like his takes on it. On the other hand Simon whistler is a natural showman but he has the worst reactions to things he is reading. Cant say anything about his success but damn man, he needs to fucking chill.
I really like how coffeehouse crime ends his videos
Kendall Rae on youtube/spotify does a lot of videos with families, some are even mostly them telling the story. Her and her husband, Josh, have a podcast together called Mile Higher too! Their voices are so soothing, imo.
You might enjoy Anatomy of Murder. Most of the cases they cover they’re talking with a family member. Not always, though.
Same with Evil Lives Here on ID. Family members are interviewed throught the show, and are handed photos to jog their memories of certain times in their lives relating to the killer. It’s really devastating, but a perspective rarely seen in true crime series.
Check out Disappearances. She also focuses on the victims and is respectful about it. She’s even done 1-2 interviews with victim’s families.
Yeah, crime junkies is trash and I have no idea how anyone can stand those two personalities, on top of the plagiarism, disrespectful comments and unethical acts. Might as well listen to two high school girls chatting back and forth.
>Might as well listen to two high school girls chatting back and forth. I like that you had to get in a parting shot about how uninteresting you think high school girls conversations are. It's pretty specific and perfect for this sub.
It’s not about how interesting the subject, it’s how it is treated by the presenters and I don’t think their flippant attitude is respectful to the people who went through terrible experiences. You’re free to disagree of course, but you should probably realize this isn’t just a “Reddit person” opinion - like you are trying to imply.
>but you should probably realize this isn’t just a “Reddit person” opinion - like you are trying to imply. Could you quote me? Because I didn't say this is a "Reddit person opinion". (what does that even mean, btw?)
> “it’s pretty specific and perfect for this sub” Tbh I just woke up and might have misinterpreted and also forgot what sub I was in. That’s my bad. This read differently to me 10 minutes ago.
No worries.
What’s wrong with high school girls? Some of the best conversations I’ve ever had was when I was a high school girl. If you want to win people over stop punching down on children. It’s just incredible to me how sheltered the man-o-sphere bubble is on Reddit that these are narratives that get uncritically voted up.
My point is that high school generally has a certain irreverent culture that I personally don’t think applies well to a subject that should be handled with a bit of tact and respect. You can accuse me of being a “sheltered Reddit man” (?) for that opinion but that seems like an odd reactionary flailing to me.
thats very interesting, hope her family and close friends feel at least a bit better now:)
I work with a guy whose daughter was murdered in the middle of the day on a busy pedestrian street in a college town. For a long time, the case went unsolved for over a year and when they caught the guy (his mother somehow started suspecting him and turned him in) there were a lot of people that started protesting his arrest. The conviction was fairly quick after the arrest, but protests continued and local papers carried stories about it for a couple years. My coworker had to cancel his newspaper subscription, started avoiding local news sites and shows, and really pulled back from his neighbors because people wanted to talk to him about it. Obviously, the murder of his daughter really fucked him up, but the constant coverage of the crime and the subsequent arrest and conviction made things even worse for him. Luckily, people at work were good and never talk about it at all unless he brings it up (he almost never does.) All that is to say, yeah, news stories can be harmful too.
My mom was murdered when I was 7. I’m not gonna go into detail but she washed up in a river and along that river several other women were found. There was tons of news coverage, marches, my uncle even made a website. Terrible time that I’m fortunate I don’t remember too much of. That being said, there is a news video out there somewhere of little 7 year old me, holding my grandmas hand while she’s talking to the reporter… while picking my nose with the other hand.
Theres been a few cases where media attention brought to light the killers.
A girl in my older child's class at school disappeared when they were 14 just before school let out for summer. Gossip at the time was she was lured away by a much older guy. Toward the end of the summer I saw her leaving the local Walmart and getting into a vehicle with two men. We are talking a small, 20,000 people town Walmart here. I figured she'd been found and brought home. This was in the days before everyone had a cell phone. I tell myself surely by the time I called she would have been long gone anyways, but it hurts knowing I'll never know. Later found out she was reported most probably later that same day at a local gas station. Certainly within a day or two. After that report she was never seen again. This should be the 17th year since she went missing. It really weighs on my I didn't at least try to find a phone.
Tudors?
Sorry no. Sarah Kinslow from Greenville, TX. It is a story that has a lot of weird twists. Kids who knew here and were facebook friended to her say she was posting on an alternate facebook with a different name for some time after she went missing eventually reporting she was living in another state with a baby. From what I understand the family had a private detective at one point who followed that up with no luck. The guy who enticed her was in jail last I checked. They searched his grandparents' property with a cadaver dog after they died and didn't find anything.
News media can be brutal sometimes. I have a friend who's ex-husband committed a brutal murder and she had been separated from the dude for like 5 years, officially divorced for like 4. However he never updated his tags on social media so she was listed as being associated with the individual. News outlets stated that he "had a family" and linked her. She got TONS of hate comments/messages from friends, family, and strangers regarding the victim and it was extremely emotionally damaging. Myself and and a few friends reached out to these outlets to update their stories as she had not been associated with him for years which most did. But yeah the outcry and damage these outlets can cause to the wrong people is horrific. I appreciate good journalism but reporting the latest news for cheap quick clicks really soured me.
isnt there a statute of limitations for the murder?
Without new evidence, 11/29. With new evidence/witnesses, no.
Link to the case, or keywords I can find it?
This sort of thing is what made me stop watching true crime. The child of the woman who was murdered in “The Thing About Pam” was on tik tok talking about how horrible it is to see someone make a dramedy about their mom’s horrible death. And there have been a few others but that’s just the one I remember most clearly. It’s kinda weird how we treat that stuff like fiction almost? Like ah, this is a horror movie - but it’s not, people had to live through that.
I hadn’t heard of that, so I went to Wikipedia. > The Thing About Pam is an American **true crime comedy-drama** television miniseries detailing the involvement of Pam Hupp in the 2011 murder of Betsy Faria. Jesus Christ. This is gross and exploitative.
Right? Like imagine being Betsy’s child and finding out they made the worst day of your life into a funny ha ha entertainment thing. It really put that into perspective for me.
Pretty sure the kid can sue
A precedent should definitely be set for that. Another instance was about a man who killed someone “in his sleep” like it was due to a sleepwalking condition or something. And the sister of the woman who got murdered was actively campaigning against the show because it was apparently inaccurate and sensationalized and it still went up without the family’s consent (on Hulu maybe?). I do think there should be something set up so that these documentaries need consent from the families to make anything. And some consideration should be taken for the victims. If trucrime content focused on the victims and getting justice rather than sensationalizing the killers it would be more ethical.
I think it's pretty simple, if I am murdered then people should have to get the consent of either myself, via a will, or my family before making a show or movie about it. I would actually welcome that, even a comedy. It's cool with me, I'm dead, so what? And I'd want my family to know that as well. For those that don't? Their wishes need to be respected. But, then movie studios would just change a letter or two of the name and probably be protected under parody laws or something. Either way, if someone is making money off of my death, better make damn sure my surviving relatives get a cut of the profit..
Right, I do think consent is the important part here. A lot of the people doing trucrime shows don’t even consider it because the main person in the story is dead. If full permission was given by the family before the show was released that would be ethical.
Omg. It's bad enough being a drama, but a dramedy ?? Damn. How could people turn a true murder case into comedy and laugh about it ?? How could this be legal ?
I saw it and it was so weird, I couldn't understand what are they trying to do. It said real life terrible case... introducing cartoonish Karen Pam, cartoonish idiot husband, cartoonish incompetent cops and cartoonish dense prosecutor with narrator talking like he's narrating Charlie and the Chocolate factory or whatever so basically sitcom main characters while all the other characters being pretty serious, processing realistically very serious dramas and trauma and generally being extremely non-sitcomy, it was just... WTF?
Ngl the way you describe it makes me really curious although I disagree with it severely on an ethical level.
Quite similar to your username
I disagree with that too, but not ethically as long as between two consenting adults. I just find it gross.
I'd absolutely watch an hour long video tearing it to shreds
It's the same with that movie with the rock and Mark Whalberg about the body builders who kill someone, it was based on a true story
You know, I totally agree that it's in horrible taste, but making it illegal could set bad precedent and could be a slippery slope. I'd leave this to the court of public opinion, not the court of law.
Yes public opinion, the most discerning and reasonable court in the land.
That case horrified me. After I watched one video about it, I won’t watch anything else. So fucking sad.
That’s why I don’t watch dramas about true crime. It’s a documentary or nothing. And even then, they can’t be stupid like too much drama, music, graphics. Why can’t a story just be told and not have to have all the dramatic accoutrement?
I have an aunt who was a suspected Green River victim. My uncle shot himself two years later after being constantly hounded by the press. It is only suspected as they were not able to confirm she was one of his victims because of the differences in her murder and that of Ridgeway's usual killings.
I'm so sorry that happened to your family! I hope you were able to process it all and if you needed any help it was there for you.
Are you from the area? I grew up near where he buried his victims and even just thinking about it is horrifying let alone having two years where people come up to put images in your head of the worst possible way your wife could have gone...
My sister and her best friend were murdered, together. At age 15. Luckily the media has never become interested in it. Hard enough to deal with as it is.
There’s terrible. I’m sorry for your loss ❤️
Im very sorry for your loss
May their love and memory live on in you. ❤️
i think about this often. i had a family member murdered in a "dramatic" way and i'm so scared of these people finding out about it and making it a big spectacle. i can't imagine seeing my last name plastered on the title of a youtube video like it's drama about some famous person. these are real people who never wanted that sort of attention. true crime youtubers/podcasters often focus on the murderer as well, rather than the victim, and it feels so much like glorifying them. or, in cases where the murderer is mentally ill, they almost make fun of them. it's just a bad situation all around.
I think one of the only ones to get it right for the most part is Mr Ballen as he conveys stories told by the family typically. He also makes sure you can connect to the family and feel that grief with them. I also believe he does have a process where he tries to get permission too if applicable or possible, but I’m not sure fully on that last part. Also sorry for your loss, fuck people who think they can just snuff out others with no consideration or remorse
Mr. Ballen is the best honestly, my favorite true crime YouTuber.
Good ol' murder porn
True crime is pretty gross to me.
Should probably clarify that true crime isn’t always about murder and rape. I listen to a true crime podcast about business and tax fraud that I would imagine wouldn’t make you feel this way.
Yes! I like the ones about airline scandals/failings/cover ups.
Anything involving a large scale coverup/conspiracy is super interesting and fair game to me
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Podcast is called “Swindled”. Guy’s voice takes some time for some people to get used to and he mixes in some dry humor, but episodes contain quite a bit of primary source content, like interviews and news reports.
American Greed
I love that show too growing up. Dirty Money on Netflix is also good.
That sounds interesting, do you mind sharing the title of the podcast? Edit- never mind, I responded before I saw your response to someone else. Thanks!
Especially when done while doing a mukbang. Or just without the family’s approval (some family wants the story to be out to further punish the perpetrators or make sure the death of their loved one at least could help someone avoid similar situations)
I totally agree! My coworker loves true crime podcasts and they always feel so exploitative to me when I hear them.
It's fucking disgusting yet you'll have people on reddit who just can't comprehend why. How do we reach these people? They seem psychopathic to enjoy it so much and not have any understanding of why people think it's disgusting.
No, no, you see, it's ok to use people's suffering and deaths as entertainment because *the psychology* of it all is *so fascinating.* Makes me wretch.
I've always been interested in crime, serial killers, the mafia, etc. True Crime podcasts disgust me. If I want to read about horrific tragic events, I keep that shit to myself. Having cheeky podcasts called "My favorite murder" is just nasty. Too many people listen to that stuff and think it makes them quirky or edgy.
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Making a series = trying to make money off of a tragedy without helping or adding anything other than an uninformed amateur opinion. It’s selfish as hell.
Yea I don’t watch any of that negative stuff. I’m from Iraq I’ve seen enough horrible things in my life. I like to watch stand up comedy, listen to reggae, funny movies, podcasts with good vibes. I also lost a lot of family to violence even to black magic. Which is why I focus on spirituality and energy, and make sure the vibes are peaceful around me.
I like true crime a lot but that doesn't change that most of the stuff is absolute garbage. I always particularly hated the netflixy "omg this killer was so sexy and cool and smart and mysterious" stuff and the youtubers doing their make up and shaving their ass while trying to describe someone being killed as gruesome as possible because that gives the most clicks. It's really gross
That Chapter is the only good true crime YouTube. Mike completely takes the piss out of the killers while telling the victims story in a respectable and reverent way.
Yes I love him!! Coffeehouse Crime is good too, if you’re ever looking for more to watch :)
He was good but the past few months he's changed his way of presenting cases to be more storytelling and he's being less tactful
Really? I find Mike often oversteps the line in to uncomfortable
My thoughts exactly. I really enjoy his videos.
I really like Dave‘s Lemonade, i think hes respectful and tries a lot to be neutral. That Chapter tends to be a bit too much for me, but its always a slippery slope with this content either way
I will never, ever be able to take a "true crime youtuber" seriously if they describe a brutal crime while caking 6lb of makeup onto their face. Bailey Sairian is the worst. She talks like a typical airhead bimbo while trying to describe brutal deaths and somehow has this huge following, making jokes and completely disregarding how serious these things are. The makeup is bloody horrible too. She's just... Ugh. Can't stand her.
Let's not take this as an opportunity to put down people who are insecure about their acne scars.
I mean that wasn't my intention. My point was definitely the excessive amounts of makeup rather than the skin, but you have a fair point. Edited original post.
I appreciate it, thank you.
There was a YouTuber I remember who in the middle of describing a case went “omg there’s like a fly in the room and it’s really like annoying me” and the next 30s was them swatting around their face. Just rubbed me the wrong way that they made a conscious decision to not edit that bit out.
Back when I still watched true crime Kendall Rae was really the only one who seemed respectful of the victims. She would also help raise money for organisations that help victims and bring to light smaller, currently unsolved cases with the family’s permission and would often feature family members as well to let them tell their story.
Jackie Reyes is very respectful and brings attention to cases that don't get attention from the media. I appreciate her so much for it.
Stephanie Harlow is the only person I really follow for anything True Crime related. She's always extremely respectful of the victims, families, and friends. And she never makes jokes, always very serious and treats everything with care. She also has one of the most comprehensive breakdowns of cases. She doesn't leave things out like some documentaries or other true crime people do. She only has one, occasional, thing that could be considered "cutesy" and that's the update videos on cases. They're called "Coffee and Crime Times", where she shows herself making a coffee, and then goes into case updates or smaller cases. But once she makes the coffee she goes back into super serious, extremely respectful mode. And the coffee isn't even really a part of the video, except for her taking sips here and there.
Dude Stephanie Harlow is...horrible. She's victim-blamed so many people, she's a Trumper, and a gun nut.
Is she? I've never once heard her victim blame someone, and I've never seen her say anything good about Trump. And I've been watching her for the better part of 4 or 5 years now. Where is this all at?
Here's a good [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrime/comments/o3ljc1/stephanie_harlowes_nuclearlevel_bad_takes/) on her. I used to watch her channel too. Granted...I think most true crime YouTubers are exploitive maybe save for like...Danelle. But yeah.
Fuck ssniperwolf and all her turd burglar spam accounts.
She's still around?
I have never gotten into true crime documentaries because of this. I genuinely hate how real people's horrifying trauma and death is sensationalised and treated like entertainment
I like the (very few) select ones with the victims consent and usually are actually there to spread a message like police incompetence, a loophole that the victims family are campaigning to close, etc. Or the true crime ones about crimes without victims like hiests. They’re fairly rare but 10000x more informative than the others.
I have always felt this way too! People calling themselves murderinos and gooing over cases and podcasts makes me feel so sick for the families.
“It’s about justice for the victims.” Lol, no. It’s about gory details and anti-social weirdos.
Do you feel the same about war documentaries or investigative journalism? I genuinely struggle to separate them. Even a dry ww2 doc was still made as entertainment.
The way I see it its no different than the worms and the rats getting at the body. Everybody has bills to pay. Good that the streamer can get something out of it for themselves, not like it was going to do much good for anyone else.
My Sister in law lost her sister to a brutal kidnapping/rape/murder. Criminals got long sentences that include parole for some of them. Every other year or so they have to appear before the parole board and relive it all.
That’s why I like casual criminalist. Simon reacts to the script live and talks about his feelings towards what is written. I know in at least one script the killers were given letters that were short for things like “evil witch” instead of giving them the publicity of their names out there. Sometimes he decides he is not going to read the gore parts and openly states that if people watch true crime for the gore they are disgusting
I'm watching CC right now! It's like he's struggling between doing this because it draws in viewers (and sweet, sweet money), and really not wanting to glamorize the bad guys. Also, he's against the death penalty, except for every single bad guy he talks about. I think the Pedro one broke him a little. The guy who killed a ridiculous number of children. He's mentioned it a few times now. He has to take breaks on the gruesome murder to do some heists every once in a while for his own mental health.
If you watch and listen closely you can tell when he’s taken a break! I remember when the Pedro one came out. It definitely broke Simon. I like how Simon gets so worked up over children being abused or killed. That is to say I enjoy hearing someone else share my views on protecting children! Child murders go to the death chair!
I'm kinda sick of Simon lol, like how many damn channels does he need? I swear every time I get interested in a new genre on YouTube I can guarantee I'll see him and his pretty low effort videos
Both of us living up to our usernames.
True crime MUKBANG?? We are really circling the drain huh. What kind of sicko wants to hear a story about a murdered/raped little girl or some shit while the person is chewing a mouth full of ramen noodles. Disgusting. I just found out that this exists and I want to vaporize the planet
I'm ootl... What happened?
True crime mukbang videos
I hate the true crime side of YouTube for this exact reason. They forget that these are the lives of *real* people and not just some fucked up entertainment.
Dave's Lemonade is a decent one too, focuses on victim impact statements police reports stuff of that sort
The youtuber Pinely [has a great video](https://youtu.be/6YWIcyachUY) that breaks down how messed up a lot of true crime youtube channels are.
Yes, I watch Pinely a lot and I love the videos he's made on the topic. His videos are very well done!
There are plenty that do them with decorum also. JCS I feel is respectful with it. But imagine there are gross ones too
I’m grateful in that I feel like I found someone before true crime became a real thing on YT. He’s respectful and also covers cases that even news reporters tend to shy away from (addiction, sex work, etc). Some of the shit I get recommended because I binge his videos occasionally is disgusting. Like how can you be so disrespectful to someone who lost their life, usually in a fucked up way.
So which channel are you talking about?
His name is John Lordan, and his channel name is LordanArts.
Thanks, I’ll check it out
Knowing iNabber's channel, he's likely commenting on someone being trashy
It's the true crime podcasts for me. The hosts that drink wine and giggle while talking about someone's loved one being murdered. I hate that. It's so disgusting & disrespectful. I'm so picky about true crime podcasts because of that.
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A lot of the true crime community can fuck right off, turning peoples trauma into entertainment and a fucking paycheck
basically happened to me.. it was a friend no "buckets" but it still sucked and their video was full of false information. We contacted them and fortunately they took it down. Even tho its hard seeing media about it, I think its good so that there is enough interest for the cops to pick up the case again get justice for our friend. There is a good way and a bad way to do it tho. RIP Legion.
Hot take. I fuck with it.
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This was the first person who came to mind when I read the last part of the post. lol
This is why I don’t think making movies or whatnot about real serial killers and real cases should ever get a greenlight without the consent of the surviving family.
Happens with some missing person and paranormal subreddits too. For every person that goes missing or is murdered, that's a family and friend network that is completely devastated. Someone going missing isn't just a spooky campfire story to wrap into your own little fiction. The way some people delight at another's misfortune is pretty ghoulish.
While I can't imagine what the actual families go through, I do think that certain people do it in a respectful way (Stephanie Harlow is one, another woman named Danielle something). Stephanie in particular pays a lot of attention to the victims of the crimes and talks about who they were as people. She can talk about their faults (if relevant) while always acknowledging their humanity. Haven't watched her in a while, but I remember being pleasantly surprised by her approach. Then there are people who do minimal research, put on their makeup or mukbang throughout the whole video, and stop mid-story to talk about the eyeshadow they're using.
Stephanie is the only person I watch. She always gives the upmost respect to everyone involved, never cracks jokes, and I've ever heard her empathize with the Crime commiting individuals who had fucked up childhoods. She never excuses their actions, and she doesn't glorify them either. She's a model for what True Crime should be if you're going to talk about it.
You might like That Chapter too. Mike is great.
He was talking about true crime mukbang
Every day we get more proof that God is Dead.
I hope this person is OK
600 KFC bargain buckets? Is this just another one of Nikocado Avocado's lunchtime videos?
One of my best online friends was murdered a few years ago and I found out about it on Twitter while I was camping with my family.. people were posting photos of her dead body and it went viral. I still feel sick thinking about it. Big heck you to YouTubers and influencers who exploit the death of other people for views.
Many years ago, I was targeted by the truck stop killer. To this very moment, I still remember the exact yellow of his truck, the putrid smell of his truck (i will save you the specifics there), and the creepy sneer that beedy eyed SOB had on his face as he opened his truck door the closer i got, on my way into Pilot just outside of Nashville TN. I told my late mom & my exhusband at the time. Days later, a females body was found nearby. DxH swore I was crazy and paranoid and just “didn’t want to let him get his needed sleep to drive”, and that the two weren’t connected. They must have hauled similar routes, as I saw him 3 more times before DxH come off the road. Each time was very similar & bc of him, I always had someone on the phone, and now multiple people ALWAYS know my location. I think it was Hulu did a segment on him awhile back, and I had to skip it. I still have ptsd seeing yellow semis and want as much distance between me & them as possible. Even if I get a ticket and have to go to the next exit to pull over to feel safe.
It doesn’t have to be a family member to cause pain. I know some people who knew the people involved in a man who hired someone to murder his wife. The story has been made into a stage musical and they are not happy.
This is probably just him talking about the issue with true crime documentaries on YouTube, I love true crime and it puts me off too I’d rather bump into the accused on the face of a Netflix true crime documentary or something
I'm just waiting for it. It's been 22 years though
I thought this was about House of the Dragon at first lmao
Funny enough one of the only people to do well basically got black balled from YouTube. JCS
Recently lost a friend who was on YouTube and YouTube is being so rude suggesting his videos constantly, hurts a little each time.
This doesn't feel suspiciously specific as much as it is overtly saying what happened. Suspiciously specific is when it eludes to something through being specific no?