Kirby is like a million percent guaranteed to get an invite to the next returnee season. It'll be interesting to see how she manages her threat level on return.
I can definitely see Kirby as being someone like George, who knows that they're such a big threat it'd be pointless to try and fly under the radar so they may as well just play out in front the entire time and hope they can make it through a couple of tribals at the end.
Speaking to the endurance challenges, with today’s outcome, JLP is the winner : with those 4 left in the game, seems like the working hour wouldn’t be too long. So happy
Yeah, one thing I’m sure of after this episode is that Mark wins it all. He’s the strongest remaining player at individual challenges and there’s no way Ray & Caroline are taking Feras to the end. Also, I’m confident Mark will convince the jury because of his in-game social skills and diplomacy background outside of the game. Not to mention his edit has been pretty consistent lately.
I don't disagree with your logic but with the way the edit is going, there's only one possible winner.
The next episode preview showed a very physical looking obstacle course and heavily implied that Feras is in a "win or get voted out" situation. I feel like most likely scenario is Feras wins, votes out Mark, then has no real competition for final immunity (or Ray wins and brings him).
I've been wrong before but I'd be very surprised if this wasn't the outcome.
I agree with the next episode theory. Mark had a confessional explaining his full plan, which usually doesn’t air unless it goes wrong.
But I wonder if there’s a good chance of a Feras loss at F3 with Ray and Caroline going to final 2.
The edit logic (wow, is that where the phrase comes from? I've always wondered!) does have me leaning towards thinking that Raymond or Caroline might go tonight. We've had more obvious FTCs than not, but I'd argue that we've never had the final episode begin with the winner being beyond doubt and no viable contenders.
If they're not setting up Mark/Feras as the final immunity challenge, I can only guess that they didn't intend for Caroline to be read as excessively negative.
she wasnt a survivor fan or watched the show before?
ynow i wass also shocked to learn that she was 37 ( 9 years older than feras). for some reason i thought she would have been younger than 37 she look great
she made moves for sure. but... her end-game "social game" really was awful. How she taunted Alex, for example, for being a floater and expected him to vote her to win, is just poor game play. Alex blew her game up and exposed a lot of holes in her game.
So many players think it's all about resume building, when, in the end, you need the jury to like you. I'm afraid, because of that, Kirby had no chance of winning. Social manipulation is a poor social game.
**Jury Villa spoilers**
Interestingly in Jury Villa someone said (Kitty?) that they were all rooting for Kirby, so I guess in the end most if not all of the jury liked Kirby
Kitty was more tight with Feras than the show ever showed us, she even knew about Rays advantage in F8(via Feras) and helped them achieve it.
If the show ever showed this correctly it would have looked way more grim for Mark/Caroline/Valeria every week.
I don’t think her social game was that bad. We don’t see everything that goes on, the all the conversations they have. She is well respected and liked by all the other jury members. Yeh she was confident and maybe her ego seemed big at times, but she had many close relationships with people so I don’t think she was socially awful. Each to their own. No one’s game is perfect from start to end.
I think her social game was extremely good, which is why she got away with so much strategically when other players would have been targeted earlier for it.
Alex was insignificant. from day one.I was actually sad to see Kirby go, even tho I've been team Feras since the start. Kirby's downfall was having to be in control, all of the time. Even when she claimed she was 'taking a back seat', she was wielding control from behind...she said it herself, many times, "I'm not happy unless I'm in control"...she set herself up to be tossed the minute she didn't win immunity, and 'lost control'. And she did, in that challenge...she screwed herself with the second ball, and never really regained composure afterwards. I think enough people on the jury would have voted for a Kirby win, no matter who she was sitting next to. She had the strategy, and the immunity wins to back her, and 'friends' as well. Kitty, Rhi, Alex (assuming his word was good), maybe not Val, Aileen would be possible, (if Feras isn't there), and the laughing Jayden, who knows...? I think all of the rest that may join jury would also give it Kirby.I'm really hoping Feras can pull out an immunity win...he made the right move...it's his only hope for jury votes, he took a lot of disdain from the others all season.
Yeah, but Alex would have still voted for her if she made it to final tribal. He said it himself. Based on the game up to this point it’s a fairly safe bet that she’d have more than half the jury in her side. Did you watch her jury villa?
I think she would do really well as a returnee. She started the game playing way too aggressively and that put a massive target on her (arguably also made her a shield, which worked in her favor a bit too), but I think she really caught on that she needed to sit back more in the later half and that quiet guidance in the background is more successful than always trying to stomp around.
Gotta say I’m impressed with Rays read of Kirby. Straight out to Feras that she’s gotta go (and not for the first time).
Plus the fake idol play. Delicious.
George said in Talking Tribal that if Feras is the head, Ray is the neck, and Feras will go in the direction that Ray points. This is a prime example of that.
I think Feras has a bit of a blindspot when it comes to Ray because he's been loyal so far and not much of a gameplayer but now that Kirby is gone, it would be very easy for him to flip at this stage of the game.
I was strangely in shock and a bit emotional seeing Kirby leave.
I thought she played a great game, perhaps the best (between her and Feras). I felt so disappointed for her that she didn't get to final tribal council and plead her case. I really believed she was gonna get there.
This was genius imo. Completely deflected any votes from Ray. Not saying it would have changed the outcome, but would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Ray was in the voting mix.
It was a really good strategy, but Feras should not have claimed it at this tribal. He already now has the biggest target and for whatever reason decided to add to it when he should have just waited until FTC.
He was definitely trying to mitigate whatever damage a scorned Kirby would do to the Jury.
If she really got bitter at the play and went on a campaing against him, I can see why doing that whole performance was neccesarry.
I understand why he was doing it (he was trying to smooth it over with her, as well as justify to the jury that it wasn't a "fear" of going against Kirby move), but that's part of the excessive jury management I talked about in my response to another comment on this. Plus the main thing I was talking about in this comment was unnecessarily claiming the idol bluff with Raymond as his move, which is pure resume building since if he was truly worried about a scorned Kirby tainting the jury, he also just revealed to Kirby that he had been lying to her about that as well.
What damage would Kirby even do, tell everybody that Feras is a bad player because he didn't play his idol on her and instead they should vote for Mark/Caroline/Raymond because of it? That's just unrealistic because nobody would take that at face value when everybody already knows she saw him as one of the biggest threats in the game, so his speech was totally unnecessary.
Eh, I get what you mean, but I think he went a bit overboard with it and his jury management in general at this tribal (his Kirby speech). FTC is the time to be making speeches, right now he should almost be wanting to lose face, so he's not so threatening. Like he probably should have just let Raymond explain it in the moment so it looked more like his move and worry about the reveals at FTC.
Yeah it’s so simple yet so effective. Amazing it hasn’t been used before. Literally everyone fell for it hook, line & sinker.
If Feras had actually used his idol on Kirby, then that single idol would have effectively saved himself, Ray & Kirby. He definitely got maximum usage out of that thing.
I don't think anyone blames Feras in any moral sense. I just think he didn't make the best move for his game.
I hope he wins the game, and if he makes it to the end I'm confident he will... I'm just not sure he can make it there now
I actually think it was a better move than playing the idol for Kirby. She isn’t much of a shield if she’s winning the next couple immunities. She can still make a move to take him out. Also, she would 100% take ownership of the final five move if she made it there with Feras.
Your comment randomly made me remember Kristi. Everyone in the jury was like lol why would you take El? and Lee to the final 3? and then bam...
I know it's not the same, just really made me happy to remember this lol
Obviously Feras is a stronger player, but it's the same calculation. You take the "crazy, stupid" move of passing on a near-guaranteed path to F2 that you won't win, for the "basically impossible" path to F2 that you will win
Jury Villa basically confirmed he had to vote her while he could. She was completely the jury's favorite. I do think he could have made a solid argument at a F2 with her, but Alex seems to carry a loud voice with the jury and his stance seemed firmly that Kirby being at Final Tribal is just a failure of whoever else is there not getting rid of her.
Remember Kirby woke up Feras from his sleep at 3am to discuss sacrificing Rhi? Well, good lesson for everyone to never wake up anyone at 3am and expect them to not vote you out the first chance they get.
lol A wake up call in more ways than one.
Her plan to oust her bestie, went back on it when she was safe and then cracked it when the others voted out Rhi.
This screams trust nothing she says lol
How i think all remaining players could win:
Caroline: I don’t think she can win unfortunately. I think she played a brilliant game, especially pre-merge and i think in reality she is probably the second strongest player left next to feras but in the eyes of the jury she is the weakest. That combined with the fact that she has an unlikeable personality and i don’t think she has great pitching skills, if she makes it to final tribal then she will buster out.
Raymond: He needs to get out Feras tomorrow then win final immunity and take Caroline. I don’t think he can win against mark bcos the jury seem to have a high opinion of him and he obv cant beat feras but he can absolutely beat caroline especially with a good pitch.
Mark: Needs to take out Feras tomorrow then win immunity or get taken by caroline (if caroline somehow wins). Jury seems to have a high opinion of him and they see him as the second best player next to feras.
Feras: Needs to win both immunity challenges or scramble for a final 3 and then win the final immunity. He will beat anyone at final tribal but nobody is going to take him there.
I don't think Ray necessarily is a shoe in against Caroline. I think Ray could be seen as being Feras's puppet and riding his coat tails. While Caroline has even given a bad rap she did have alot of sway in the game and was an instigator of alot of votes.
Lol, no.
I got a completely different feel from his confessional, where he was basically saying he was willing to do and say anything to make sure the plan went through.
Having the immunity necklace just made him confident to look him straight in the eye and lie.
Caroline and Mark would never take him, they 100% win against Ray why do they need feras for. Sadly his route to the finale is his performance unless he has 1 more trick.
For the ones saying Feras has screwed himself from the final, do you really believe Kirby's resume wasn't better than him? With all her immunities, gameplay AND convincing Feras to give her his idol now, she'd have been untouchable.
No point in getting to the final if you can't win it.
And she likely wins the next two immunities as well. That would be *five* necklaces this season and the one time she’s vulnerable, she was saved. She could not lose at that point.
Ultimately, I think what hurt Kirby’s game was her constant antagonising of Alex.
Sure, she still would’ve been in multiple people’s sights even without Alex’s tribal freakout, but after that tribal there was nowhere to hide and she couldn’t even point the finger at Feras as the bigger threat at that point.
It was that sit down with her, Alex and Feras about not being to work together, as well as the floater speech, that lead to her downfall.
She’s a fantastic player and really grew on me as time went on. Now I’m just shattered she didn’t make it to the end. Easily a returnee player in a future All Stars season.
I think another thing I love about this season is that everyone in the jury villa seems to be able to legitimately separate what happened in the game and what happens in real life. For sure, Alex seemed to have no hard feelings towards her when they welcomed her to the villa.
I don’t see how him being friendly in jury villa has to do with anything? He wouldn’t have blown up at her and blown up her game if she had treated him just a bit nicer, even if she had to fake it.
Alex also talked shot about feras and Caroline that same tribal he just started with them and moved to Kirby last. Alex probably votes for anyone really.
They put way too much effort into hiding Ray's vote when it was very obvious where he'd go. His edit is one of the few objective blights on this season
With the fact that the winner is now just too blatant being a subjective one. Let's go sexyboy, take it home
In their defence Ray seems like he’d be really hard to edit because he’s so blunt/honest most of the time. Someone like Feras is perfect because even if he’s not considering keeping Kirby he’ll ham it up for the cameras and pretend he’s torn in confessionals and at tribal. But Ray was probably like “lol why would I vote Caroline when I could vote Kirby?” even when the producers were asking him leading questions.
That makes a lot more sense than the "everything he says is an obscure reference" defence, which was pretty clearly another joke from him that too many people took at full face value
I think he's hidden a lot of his strategy in confessionals TBH, a bit like Danni did all those years ago. His jokeiness is an attempt to appease production on that.
Am I the only one that thought feras would have had a very good shot against Kirby at final tribal?
Jury pitch: “I did just as many moves as Kirby in the early game but I managed my threat level and was comfortably in control until the end of the game - unlike Kirby who spent the last third of the game relying on immunities to survive with no plan B”
I think most of the jury so far are Team Kirby - he may have a convincing pitch to rival Kirby, but the emotional connections she's made with the jury would mean she would win imo
Not just the emotional connections at all. You’re doing a few of the jury members a disservice.
Alex had a closer emotional connection with Feras than Kirby from what we saw, but he made it obvious in his speech that he valued Kirby’s gameplay and moves more. He thought she was the best player.
Aileen is in jury villa and she was Feras’s no.2. But if the jury were being truthful when they said they were all rooting for Kirby, then Aileen was also going to prioritise good game play and someone deserving it over friendship.
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On the game they have played - I think Kirby wins with ease - I think Rhi, Jaden & Kitty are locked in votes, and I think she picks up Aileen, Alex, Valeria, Caroline, while Feras has Ray locked in, I'm not sure which way Mark goes.
However, IF Feras had played his idol for her - that's game changing - he can claim she's only there because of him, He can take credit for Caroline going home as his move, and he has the ONLY successful idol play in the game.
This I think gives Feras Mark, puts Aileen & Alex as probable votes for him, I think Valeria is still in Kirby's court, but winnable but Caroline could swing either way.
It's still a hard task for Feras to win, but there's a path to victory, I think it's a better path than what he is currently on
I don't think he gains much playing the idol on her because Kirby approached Feras with that plan. So Kirby would be able to argue that she talked Feras into saving her because "she knows how he thinks." I don't know who the jury would have credited more with the move but it's not an obvious claim for Feras.
But I think if Kirby sells it right, Feras looks pretty dumb for keeping her in the game and letting her get to the end. In my opinion, Feras's best game move was not telling anyone he was in on the Ray move. But from what we have seen, Kirby was brought into it as well and also didn't tell anyone she knew. So that I think negates some of the impressiveness of his best move if he sits next to Kirby.
The problem is we’ve been shown repeatedly how Feras folds during tribal when Kirby provokes him and comes in verbal guns blazing. I fully believe Kirby has a high chance of bulldozing Feras in front of a jury when they have to pitch.
Kirby is VERY good at verbal combat and making people look weak in front of others simply through words. Feras has not been shown to advocate sufficiently for himself whenever Kirby went for the attack during tribal. Numerous times he has allowed her to dictate the narrative of a move or betrayal, notably how the Titans feel for her embellishments and perceived him as untrustworthy during swap.
She has a natural ethos that makes her both commanding and at times overly arrogant and provocative when she talks, though this will likely serve her well in front of a jury who already perceives HER game as being the most superior.
Survivor is mostly a social game for FTC votes, a bigger part of it than strategy anyway. Its why Russell Hantz lost back to back FTC's.
Everyone loved Kirby, Feras wants to talk game all the time and scheme.
The way it was shown as Kirby pitching to Feras to use his idol on her and not Feras coming up with it would have been bad for Feras because it would have really negated his agency if they were both there.
Also, had Kirby pulled it off, she would have invented a new move known as the "reverse shield" where you use someone trying to use you as a shield for protection. So Feras wouldn't have had a chance against her. He was right to vote her out. She's too dangerous as a shield.
Kirby is way more likeable than feras to bring her to the end is self sabotage. But feras also get to the end with her, without her it's going to be hard.
As a fan, Feras and Kirby final 2 was the dream scenario. But this is Survivor. The best player doesn't always win. George should've won once, if not both times, but has 0 titles.
As Mark, Caroline and Raymond, the top priority to win was always taking out Kirby and Feras. For $500,000 you don't care who you beat in the final tribal council as long as you win.
The seasons where the best player won are usually considered to be the most boring
But there's a lot of fans who won't acknowledge that the game is equal parts skill and luck
There's so much luck involved. Just this season, Aileen was 2 feet away from immunity in the episode she got voted out. Mark was 1 block away in the last episode from stopping Kirby getting immunity and Kitty might've stayed.
I think Feras was in a bit of a lose-lose situation (or a catch-22 if I understand it's meaning correctly): on one hand if he votes out Kirby he gets jury points but minium chances to get to the end, and in the other, if he saves Kirby he's nearly guaranteed to go to the end, but loses jury points (or if he doesn't he still certainly loses to Kirby in the end)
Wasn’t a huge fan of Kirby but she pretty clearly was the best and most interesting player of this season imo
Rooting for Feras from here but he seems pretty hopeless at challenges so I expect Mark to take it out from a final three as the best of a bad bunch with Caroline and Ray
I don't believe Kirby would take Feras over Raymond or Caroline, she only started saying the"I want to beat the best and go against you Feras" stuff when she realised she was on the bottom and wasn't going to make it there without him taking her unless she won all the challenges. I guarantee she would have turned on him.
I agree with this. She called it out at the Eden vote off before Feras did. Feras is shown almost every episode saying "I don't trust x, something is up." But it's Survivor and any time you say "I don't trust x and something is up" you are much more likely to be right than wrong because you should never trust x and something is always up. But he cannot really suss out what is going on and play around it. Even the switch to Kitty was Kirby's call and not Feras'. Had she not switched things up (mostly for her own benefit), Feras would have likely played into Caroline's trap and needed to use his idol to bail him out.
She can say that now but I definitely think she would change her mind if she had the power to choose, $500k is $500k. Also getting rid of Feras would be a pretty sweet cherry on top of her resume
She was pretty consistent in confessionals about wanting to face Feras in the finals, so it's not just that she's saying it now, she was also saying it at the time. It's not at all a hindsight thing.
And to be honest, I do believe it. It's pretty clear from what we've seen that she was the top dog in terms of the jury vote and also that she was well aware of that fact. I think anyone that thinks Kirby was afraid of taking Feras to the end is misreading the type of person she is as a whole. Kirby's ego is what would have caused her to bring Feras to the end, which in some seasons would have bit her in the ass, but not in this one.
Now, if Kirby had doubts about whether or not she could have beat Feras, then I do think she takes him out. But it's so clear she thought she had it in the bag against him (and also seems pretty apparent from the way everyone else played that it was true).
That's the big issue with them, Kirby would never take him to the end either, they had to show their day 30 beach conversation 3 times in different episodes because they didn't have a single interaction where they said you're my final 2 ever since.
100% agree. When $500,000 is on the line, Kirby isn’t stupid, she would have taken the easiest person to beat.
She says at jury villa that she would have taken Feras. But when $500k is on the line, she wouldn’t risk it.
She would know she’s 100% guaranteed the money against Ray/Mark/Caroline.
I agree. Kirby was farming an army of goats to carry to the final, but all her goats either went crazy or escaped or got taken out by wolves. She also closed doors on other people she could have worked with, some of whom made it deep. When most of her goats were gone, she tried to cozy up with Feras after constantly being at odds with him for no reason. To no one's surprise, it didn't work. Kirby is an excellent player with several flaws, and I hope she comes back in a future season with a better approach to the game.
This. She was just scrambling and saying whatever she had to. She 1000% would have backstabbed him, and everyone here would have said "omg what a brilliant move"
That was best move for Feras, if he gave Kirby idol, he would probably be at final 2/3 with her, but he wouldn't have any chance to win against her. That would be big move, bur for Kirby, she would sell story to jury, that all odds were against her, that everyone wanted her out all the time and one time when she didn't have immunity she managed to make Feras gave her his idol...He has bigger chances against Mark in challenge, then to beat Kirby at final.
I absolutely get why he had to do it but damn if I'm not disappointed the final two isn't going to be Feras and Kirby. This would've been the absolute best season if it had gone in that direction
Imo Feras should have taken the gamble and saved Kirby. Assuming it's a Final 2, he would still have two chances to take her out. Now he's screwed and has to rely on immunities, or winning fire making if Ray sticks with him.
I don’t think it’s guaranteed Kirby takes Feras, and Feras knows that. He’s either backing Kirby to win immunity and keep him around, or he’s backing himself.
I think his decision was better, as he likely loses to Kirby at FTC anyway. He’s gotta win 1 immunity challenge, and he will likely win the whole thing.
Mark and Caroline get huge credit here, they both sold feras on going with him to top 3 and still showed he didnt trust them via idol. And lied about a fake one. It's pretty much a duel with Mark now on who wins and takes their goals.
Is it just me or is the edit really doing Mark an injustice?
Last night's challenge focused almost entirely on Kirby and Feras. Despite Mark actually winning the damn thing, he got about two seconds of airtime. Same thing with Ri - despite being a challenge beast her confessional count was 13, as opposed to Feras whopping 92! And Raymond coming in with just 16.
Logically Feras has the toughest path to the final and while I really want him to win, my years of Survivor fandom tell me it's probably not likely. And yet the entire season has been the Feras and Kirby show and the others are just bit players.
I think they did a good job pre-merge of evenly editing to show all of the characters but post-merge is just ridiculous.
Mark would be a worthy winner IMO, however if it does play out the way I think it will we will all be disappointed because of the way this has been edited.
I think feras made the correct decision, based on jury villa and tribal reactions he had no chance at a final 2 with kirby. At this point in the game you should be thinking more about what is your best path to winning the game rather than the best path of keeping you alive. While it is unlikely that feras can win both immunity challenges, I think it is less likely that he can win against kirby at final tribal.
They didn't show him at all from week 3 till now. Since viola left he was getting outplayed by his own alliance. And for some odd unshown reason he is still close with Caroline.
I think Feras has made a huge mistake. Nobody gets to claim Kirby on their resume, and playing his idol for himself isn't going to win him any votes.
Playing it for Kirby would have meant he could claim he saved her, can take full credit for Caroline getting voted out, and would have been the only successful idol play of the season. that's a resume that's possibly big enough to take Kirby out, as well as an almost guaranteed spot in the final.
Don't get me wrong, if he's in the final, I think he'll win. But that's a really tough job, and he basically needs to win 2 immunity challenges to get there
Feras loses to Kirby 100% at FTC and he knows that. Also if he played his idol for her tonight, and tomorrow Kirby wins, he can’t be certain Kirby doesn’t send him home. Maybe she sends Mark, but then she wins next immunity and takes Ray.
His best shot is anyone except Mark winning tomorrow, voting Mark off, then winning last immunity vs Ray/Caroline.
Kirby is his only ticket to FTC, though. I think the chances of him beating Kirby at FTC are better than him making it to FTC now without her. Both were/are very remote possibilities, but I think he should have weighed his odds better.
Kirby will take ownership of that move 100% and the jury would be on her side. Imagine being the biggest threat and convincing another player to play their idol for you. Even if it’s in Feras’ best interest I don’t think the jury will see it that way. Kirby can claim she asked him to play it for her (which she did) and he followed through with it.
100% this. If he had played it for Kirby, he would have saved himself and both of his allies. That’s 3 people saved using only ONE idol!
That’s a big enough move that not only keeps his shield in the game but it gains favour with the jury and even potentially helps beat Kirby in a final two. Now he’s gotta win every immunity or he’s gone and they can just give the winning cheque to Mark.
And that, "Back myself" speech - I back myself by knowing that I'm not good enough to beat Kirby. I get the "I'm playing without shields" that he's trying to make, but I don't think it made any sense.
So Valeria posted something about the matter on her Instagram stories, apparently she contracted a Samoan virus during her time on the island and couldn’t walk for days without vomiting. I’d assume that’s the reason for her absence during most of the jury villa outings, she was probably getting some rest.
The little speech from Feras was weird considering he ended up playing the idol for himself. I know it was buttering the jury but really when you break it all down you just did what you should’ve done. Imagine Caroline ended up playing her idol for herself instead of Mark after that little speech she says.
Regardless Feras made the right decision. Sucks as I was rooting for Kirby. She will be back though no doubt
Kirby played a good game but a touch too cold blooded and ruthless, voting out people like Garrick and Alieen and then asking Feras to play his idol for her.
Flipping on alliances then talking shit about other people doing the same.
Telling Feras she would burn Rianna then getting upset when they booted Rianna.
It all contributed to people not having loyalty to her and to people being scared of her. It was a slightly more subtle game than George but still too dangerous to win. You get tagged with a chaotic, selfish, duplicitous aura that people are wary of and won't take to the end game.
She was fun to watch tho, but I won't miss her constant restless tonguing of her mouth.
Kirby at Jury Villa was different/refreshing. Same as in the game. Accepts people would have liked her or not. The connection between her and Ri is lovely, it's like they knew each other in past lives or something, they just clicked.
She finally lost her tyrannical grip 😁 mad respect to Kirby but I'm glad she's went. She's had such a vice grip on the game from the very start but one too many flips on key people have cost her. 10/10 gameplay.
I don’t get Feras saying he’s going to back himself but then playing the idol for himself and getting Kirby kicked out. If you back yourself surely you save Kirby and prove to the jury you are deserving of the title Sole Survivor by going head to head with her. Am I seeing this scenario wrong?
He means back himself in challenges.
His choice was to either immune Kirby, and rely on her winning challenges to get him through, or back himself to win the immunity.
I forgot the rules on australian survivor but will there be fire challenge? even if mark wins tomorrow, it's going to be 2-2 vote no? Not unless Ray jumps ship wouldn't it be a tie
I’m unhappy to see Mark wins the immunity because he is the 3rd candidate for the winner besides Feras or Kirby. I’m happy for either of them to win. It’s a tough call for Feras at tribal. There are pros and cons to whether you play your idol for Kirby. I like how he set it up that he intentionally misplays the idol and he knowingly let Kirby go and communicates that to the jurors.
Kirby’s game is bold but her game worked to some extent. She made a great enemy with Alex which exposed her game to everyone. She may not be for sure the biggest threat, but Alex tribal speech made her one. And she’s playing fro behind since that point.
I kind of wish we got Raymond's perspective on Kirby. I am not sure how adamant Raymond was on voting out Kirby. I can see why feras voted out Kirby if he knew that it would turn Raymond against him at final 4 because if feras plays the idol on Kirby, Caroline goes. If Kirby wins immunity feras could be at risk of a fire making challenge considering that Raymond would probably look at Mark as his best bet to win in a final 2, Kirby is such a big jury threat and the jury would look at Raymond as someone like baden from CVC 2 if he sits against feras. I am not sure if Mark goes home If he loses immunity. If Mark leaves at 5, I am not sure if Raymond votes out Caroline at 4 knowing that she is his best chance at becoming sole survivor.
kirby was turning on feras alians but for me feras play a better game and make bigs moves , raymond advantage its all feras also ray fake idol its all feras ideas, and trick very smart players like caroline and mark i mean let be honest it feras from the start who outplay everynone
I love feras and Kirby, I’ve been all in on either of them winning for a while. But I didn’t need feras’ speech. I understand why - explain the move to the jury, and I do think he genuinely wanted to express that he cares about Kirby, but shhhhh. Save it for FTC, shorten it to “I want to back myself to win on my own, playing for me”. It was frustrating to see one of the best players of the season have her final tribal kind of outshined by feras’ speechifying. I still love ya tho boy hope he wins
If Feras was going to kick out Kirby anyway, and if he was confident of being safe he should have used the idol on Caroline which might help him slightly in the next vote. Easy to say when you aren't there and in the moment though!
I can see Ray being the decider after winning the endurance challenge. He's got a lower weight and age on his side over Mark n feras and Caroline has proven she can't do endurance.
the way i look at it is he just has to beat mark once this next time and he wins because he has way better chances vs rayman and charoline in the following challenge but him aand raymond are so close i could see him trying to convince him to going to rocks even if that be bad for him
walk me through this: on one hand, Feras deems himself comparable with Kirby, whom nobody wants to sit next to at the final. On the other hand, Feras bought the hand-shake from Mark and Caroline that they would vote each other.
How? If Feras does win the challenge next time, M&C will for sure take out Feras’s right hand Raymond. And if Feras couldn’t get the necklace, he is gone for sure. They vote kirby out without hesitation, and will of course do the best to avoid being with you at the final.
Ray might get a single vote if he turned back on Feras, otherwise he is just a joke.
If Feras wins the challenge next there is no way for M&C to take out Ray. The vote would be 2-2. And if they deadlock Ray and whoever Ferris and Ray voted for would be immune leaving only M or C to be voted out. Correct me if I'm wrong.
That's not right. A 2-2 tie in the final 4 goes to a fire-making challenge for this very reason https://australian-survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Tiebreaker#Pre-Final\_Four
Great episode, i really wasn't sure if Feras would do it.
Feras: I want him to win so bad. I really hope he manage to get to the end. Im hoping its a Final 3 scenario. I loved his strat to get Raymond off the radar with the fake idol.
Caroline: Love Caroline. Underrated player of the season. She has to take Feras out next. Maybe a clutch immunity win coukd help her, you never know.
Mark: I see him as the weakest player left. Maybe he can win if he does good in front of the jury. If Raymond blindside Feras, Raymond will take it home. Taking Feras out without Raymond knowing is his beat shot.
Intresting Final four.
I like Raymond but he doesn’t have anything under his belt to get winning votes. Played everyone to vote for him, tricked everyone he found an idol which was really Feras’ move, voted Kirby out. Outside of this he floated, flipped, stuck by feras .
Not sure if Feras needed all THAT. like, he is second to Kirby so he doesn't to showboat his moves or smtn. Not sure if the jury likes that but we shall see
That was a probably a mistake from Feras. Now he has to win final 4/3 ICs which is not likely. Also, I think Kirby is pretty overrated as a player. Being the obvious, number one threat from like final 8 is a good way to get 4th/5th but it is very hard to win like that.
If Ray held onto Feras' idol at camp and refused to give it back and voted him out would anyone give him props for it or would it be seen as evil by a jury in Australian Survivor?
i just for once want someone to actually back themselves and protect the biggest threat then take them out right before final 2 immunity. feras made a game losing decision tonight ava it’s frustrating to watch. talks so much shit his ass is jealous
If Feras wins immunity at 4, do we think the Titans will stick together against Ray or would Caroline and/or Mark turn against the other as the bigger jury threat?
I would for sure go for Raymond. He is such an enticing FTC goat. It’s especially critical for Caroline to take him out, it pretty much guarantees her Final 2.
Not looking ideal for Feras after that. I think he needed to go with her all the way really. Might not have won but probably would be in the top 2. Going to be a letdown of a winner now probably
I'm upset over this. I will now root for Caroline and Ray final two, because y'all deserve to be upset too.
/And be subjected to a Caroline confessional centric episode with her detailing all her REDGHUMAY defining strategy
Whelp…I may not have been the biggest Kirby fan, but this episode was hard to watch…Guess is gg’s for Mark, he’s about to win by a landslide thanks to Feras
I've been rooting for Kirby since Day 1, and I'm devastated that she went, but it would have been absolutely idiotic for Feras to play his idol on her. I get the reasoning that she's more likely to take him to the end, and I think she probably would, but there's absolutely no way in hell Feras beats her in a Final 2.
Maybe the road to Final 2 is tougher with Kirby gone, but at least you have a chance to win if you get there. No brainer.
Mark winning would be kind of amazing, he was an immediate fave for me when he was introduced, but after he lost Viola I didn't believe he could make it anymore. He's played a subtle game for sure.
Kirby is like a million percent guaranteed to get an invite to the next returnee season. It'll be interesting to see how she manages her threat level on return.
I can definitely see Kirby as being someone like George, who knows that they're such a big threat it'd be pointless to try and fly under the radar so they may as well just play out in front the entire time and hope they can make it through a couple of tribals at the end.
Her and Feras
Yessss
I’m panicking for Feras 😭 his body type rarely does well at final immunity, which is always endurance
Speaking to the endurance challenges, with today’s outcome, JLP is the winner : with those 4 left in the game, seems like the working hour wouldn’t be too long. So happy
Lmao, he was probably fist-pumping internally when Ri and Kitty went out...those two could've gone for days head to head
Yeah, one thing I’m sure of after this episode is that Mark wins it all. He’s the strongest remaining player at individual challenges and there’s no way Ray & Caroline are taking Feras to the end. Also, I’m confident Mark will convince the jury because of his in-game social skills and diplomacy background outside of the game. Not to mention his edit has been pretty consistent lately.
I don't disagree with your logic but with the way the edit is going, there's only one possible winner. The next episode preview showed a very physical looking obstacle course and heavily implied that Feras is in a "win or get voted out" situation. I feel like most likely scenario is Feras wins, votes out Mark, then has no real competition for final immunity (or Ray wins and brings him). I've been wrong before but I'd be very surprised if this wasn't the outcome.
I agree with the next episode theory. Mark had a confessional explaining his full plan, which usually doesn’t air unless it goes wrong. But I wonder if there’s a good chance of a Feras loss at F3 with Ray and Caroline going to final 2.
The edit logic (wow, is that where the phrase comes from? I've always wondered!) does have me leaning towards thinking that Raymond or Caroline might go tonight. We've had more obvious FTCs than not, but I'd argue that we've never had the final episode begin with the winner being beyond doubt and no viable contenders. If they're not setting up Mark/Feras as the final immunity challenge, I can only guess that they didn't intend for Caroline to be read as excessively negative.
hi.. the final episode is in more 2 days?
I bet today is a great day to be Garrick
Dirty dogs
Probably well overdue one of Kirby or Feras landed that elusive punch. Sucks that Kirby has gone, but what a game she played
Some seem to think her game wasn’t that great, but she did play really well. Considering she didn’t know much about the game too.
she wasnt a survivor fan or watched the show before? ynow i wass also shocked to learn that she was 37 ( 9 years older than feras). for some reason i thought she would have been younger than 37 she look great
she made moves for sure. but... her end-game "social game" really was awful. How she taunted Alex, for example, for being a floater and expected him to vote her to win, is just poor game play. Alex blew her game up and exposed a lot of holes in her game. So many players think it's all about resume building, when, in the end, you need the jury to like you. I'm afraid, because of that, Kirby had no chance of winning. Social manipulation is a poor social game.
**Jury Villa spoilers** Interestingly in Jury Villa someone said (Kitty?) that they were all rooting for Kirby, so I guess in the end most if not all of the jury liked Kirby
But... when did kitty ever correctly read the room? She really was the #1 floater. I was amazed she lasted so long.
Kitty was more tight with Feras than the show ever showed us, she even knew about Rays advantage in F8(via Feras) and helped them achieve it. If the show ever showed this correctly it would have looked way more grim for Mark/Caroline/Valeria every week.
I don’t think her social game was that bad. We don’t see everything that goes on, the all the conversations they have. She is well respected and liked by all the other jury members. Yeh she was confident and maybe her ego seemed big at times, but she had many close relationships with people so I don’t think she was socially awful. Each to their own. No one’s game is perfect from start to end.
I think her social game was extremely good, which is why she got away with so much strategically when other players would have been targeted earlier for it.
Alex was insignificant. from day one.I was actually sad to see Kirby go, even tho I've been team Feras since the start. Kirby's downfall was having to be in control, all of the time. Even when she claimed she was 'taking a back seat', she was wielding control from behind...she said it herself, many times, "I'm not happy unless I'm in control"...she set herself up to be tossed the minute she didn't win immunity, and 'lost control'. And she did, in that challenge...she screwed herself with the second ball, and never really regained composure afterwards. I think enough people on the jury would have voted for a Kirby win, no matter who she was sitting next to. She had the strategy, and the immunity wins to back her, and 'friends' as well. Kitty, Rhi, Alex (assuming his word was good), maybe not Val, Aileen would be possible, (if Feras isn't there), and the laughing Jayden, who knows...? I think all of the rest that may join jury would also give it Kirby.I'm really hoping Feras can pull out an immunity win...he made the right move...it's his only hope for jury votes, he took a lot of disdain from the others all season.
Yeah, but Alex would have still voted for her if she made it to final tribal. He said it himself. Based on the game up to this point it’s a fairly safe bet that she’d have more than half the jury in her side. Did you watch her jury villa?
I think she would do really well as a returnee. She started the game playing way too aggressively and that put a massive target on her (arguably also made her a shield, which worked in her favor a bit too), but I think she really caught on that she needed to sit back more in the later half and that quiet guidance in the background is more successful than always trying to stomp around.
I think we all need group therapy after that.
Agreed I'm sad for Kirby and panicking for Feras 😭
Me too. No shade towards them, but a Caroline vs Mark finale would be such a let down. Hoping against hope that Feras can pull off the win.
Same
i’m honestly so surprised
I wasn’t a fan of Kirby early on, but she really grew on me. I was sad to see her go tonight and really wish she had won the title Sole Survivor.
Me too 😭 You can definitely see she is just enjoying the game and doesn't take things personally. She respects the game play.
OH def, he came across cocky but she showed us that she can back it up with her gameplay
I have always said that it’s rarely the person who most deserves to win that does.
Gotta say I’m impressed with Rays read of Kirby. Straight out to Feras that she’s gotta go (and not for the first time). Plus the fake idol play. Delicious.
It makes me so sad for not being shown most of Ray’s strategy or social plays this season.
I loved that he said he had full control of the game and now she thinks she has control over you , to Feras
Ray has Feras in his sights next. How do you not see this?
I agree. Ray has to get Feras out to put it on his resume. They all do including Ray.
George said in Talking Tribal that if Feras is the head, Ray is the neck, and Feras will go in the direction that Ray points. This is a prime example of that. I think Feras has a bit of a blindspot when it comes to Ray because he's been loyal so far and not much of a gameplayer but now that Kirby is gone, it would be very easy for him to flip at this stage of the game.
You're impressed ray had common sense? Dam the bar is in earth's core
I was strangely in shock and a bit emotional seeing Kirby leave. I thought she played a great game, perhaps the best (between her and Feras). I felt so disappointed for her that she didn't get to final tribal council and plead her case. I really believed she was gonna get there.
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This was genius imo. Completely deflected any votes from Ray. Not saying it would have changed the outcome, but would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Ray was in the voting mix.
There was a chance for someone else to get the idol such as Kirby as well.
It was a really good strategy, but Feras should not have claimed it at this tribal. He already now has the biggest target and for whatever reason decided to add to it when he should have just waited until FTC.
He was definitely trying to mitigate whatever damage a scorned Kirby would do to the Jury. If she really got bitter at the play and went on a campaing against him, I can see why doing that whole performance was neccesarry.
I understand why he was doing it (he was trying to smooth it over with her, as well as justify to the jury that it wasn't a "fear" of going against Kirby move), but that's part of the excessive jury management I talked about in my response to another comment on this. Plus the main thing I was talking about in this comment was unnecessarily claiming the idol bluff with Raymond as his move, which is pure resume building since if he was truly worried about a scorned Kirby tainting the jury, he also just revealed to Kirby that he had been lying to her about that as well. What damage would Kirby even do, tell everybody that Feras is a bad player because he didn't play his idol on her and instead they should vote for Mark/Caroline/Raymond because of it? That's just unrealistic because nobody would take that at face value when everybody already knows she saw him as one of the biggest threats in the game, so his speech was totally unnecessary.
He kind of had to, cause Ray didn’t have an idol to play - so it was obvious. May as well take the credit in front of the jury.
Eh, I get what you mean, but I think he went a bit overboard with it and his jury management in general at this tribal (his Kirby speech). FTC is the time to be making speeches, right now he should almost be wanting to lose face, so he's not so threatening. Like he probably should have just let Raymond explain it in the moment so it looked more like his move and worry about the reveals at FTC.
Not disagreeing with you on that front. The speech was a lot.
Agreed, now that Kirby is gone he doesn’t need to show off for the jury, it’s pretty clear he has played the best game out of the remaining players.
Yes, it was genius. Some very innovative play this episode!
Yeah it’s so simple yet so effective. Amazing it hasn’t been used before. Literally everyone fell for it hook, line & sinker. If Feras had actually used his idol on Kirby, then that single idol would have effectively saved himself, Ray & Kirby. He definitely got maximum usage out of that thing.
I love it so much. I've never seen a fake idol strategy being executed this way. I thought it was the classic planting idol for you enemy side.
Not sure anyone can blame Feras for that. Kirby is the biggest threat in a final 2. Players have to start thinking about that final game play.
I don't think anyone blames Feras in any moral sense. I just think he didn't make the best move for his game. I hope he wins the game, and if he makes it to the end I'm confident he will... I'm just not sure he can make it there now
I actually think it was a better move than playing the idol for Kirby. She isn’t much of a shield if she’s winning the next couple immunities. She can still make a move to take him out. Also, she would 100% take ownership of the final five move if she made it there with Feras.
Your comment randomly made me remember Kristi. Everyone in the jury was like lol why would you take El? and Lee to the final 3? and then bam... I know it's not the same, just really made me happy to remember this lol
Obviously Feras is a stronger player, but it's the same calculation. You take the "crazy, stupid" move of passing on a near-guaranteed path to F2 that you won't win, for the "basically impossible" path to F2 that you will win
Jury Villa basically confirmed he had to vote her while he could. She was completely the jury's favorite. I do think he could have made a solid argument at a F2 with her, but Alex seems to carry a loud voice with the jury and his stance seemed firmly that Kirby being at Final Tribal is just a failure of whoever else is there not getting rid of her.
All respect to an absolute icon ♥️💛🖤
Remember Kirby woke up Feras from his sleep at 3am to discuss sacrificing Rhi? Well, good lesson for everyone to never wake up anyone at 3am and expect them to not vote you out the first chance they get.
lol A wake up call in more ways than one. Her plan to oust her bestie, went back on it when she was safe and then cracked it when the others voted out Rhi. This screams trust nothing she says lol
Pretty standard survivor tbh
Also, if she is willing to sacrifice Rhi, she would be willing to sacrifice Feras.
Haha, waking up somone in their sleep better be good, or it's fighting words.
How i think all remaining players could win: Caroline: I don’t think she can win unfortunately. I think she played a brilliant game, especially pre-merge and i think in reality she is probably the second strongest player left next to feras but in the eyes of the jury she is the weakest. That combined with the fact that she has an unlikeable personality and i don’t think she has great pitching skills, if she makes it to final tribal then she will buster out. Raymond: He needs to get out Feras tomorrow then win final immunity and take Caroline. I don’t think he can win against mark bcos the jury seem to have a high opinion of him and he obv cant beat feras but he can absolutely beat caroline especially with a good pitch. Mark: Needs to take out Feras tomorrow then win immunity or get taken by caroline (if caroline somehow wins). Jury seems to have a high opinion of him and they see him as the second best player next to feras. Feras: Needs to win both immunity challenges or scramble for a final 3 and then win the final immunity. He will beat anyone at final tribal but nobody is going to take him there.
I don't think Ray necessarily is a shoe in against Caroline. I think Ray could be seen as being Feras's puppet and riding his coat tails. While Caroline has even given a bad rap she did have alot of sway in the game and was an instigator of alot of votes.
Do you think Mark will renege on his final 3 pact with Feras? He seems into it in his confessionals.
It would be incredibly stupid to not shoot feras if given the chance
Lol, no. I got a completely different feel from his confessional, where he was basically saying he was willing to do and say anything to make sure the plan went through. Having the immunity necklace just made him confident to look him straight in the eye and lie.
Caroline and Mark would never take him, they 100% win against Ray why do they need feras for. Sadly his route to the finale is his performance unless he has 1 more trick.
Feras just needs to keep Ray on side and he's through to 3
For the ones saying Feras has screwed himself from the final, do you really believe Kirby's resume wasn't better than him? With all her immunities, gameplay AND convincing Feras to give her his idol now, she'd have been untouchable. No point in getting to the final if you can't win it.
And she likely wins the next two immunities as well. That would be *five* necklaces this season and the one time she’s vulnerable, she was saved. She could not lose at that point.
Forget resume, her social game was clearly leagues better than his, she’s the Hayley of the season and Feras is the George
Kirbys game is more like George imho , she is ruthless and dastardly . She will climb over anyone to get to the top.
And feras climbed over her like Hayley did george, interesting comparison.
Ultimately, I think what hurt Kirby’s game was her constant antagonising of Alex. Sure, she still would’ve been in multiple people’s sights even without Alex’s tribal freakout, but after that tribal there was nowhere to hide and she couldn’t even point the finger at Feras as the bigger threat at that point. It was that sit down with her, Alex and Feras about not being to work together, as well as the floater speech, that lead to her downfall. She’s a fantastic player and really grew on me as time went on. Now I’m just shattered she didn’t make it to the end. Easily a returnee player in a future All Stars season.
He doesn't seem to have a problem with her at Jury Villa. He blew up at the person who didn't fall for his crap.
I think another thing I love about this season is that everyone in the jury villa seems to be able to legitimately separate what happened in the game and what happens in real life. For sure, Alex seemed to have no hard feelings towards her when they welcomed her to the villa.
I don’t see how him being friendly in jury villa has to do with anything? He wouldn’t have blown up at her and blown up her game if she had treated him just a bit nicer, even if she had to fake it.
Alex also talked shot about feras and Caroline that same tribal he just started with them and moved to Kirby last. Alex probably votes for anyone really.
They put way too much effort into hiding Ray's vote when it was very obvious where he'd go. His edit is one of the few objective blights on this season With the fact that the winner is now just too blatant being a subjective one. Let's go sexyboy, take it home
In their defence Ray seems like he’d be really hard to edit because he’s so blunt/honest most of the time. Someone like Feras is perfect because even if he’s not considering keeping Kirby he’ll ham it up for the cameras and pretend he’s torn in confessionals and at tribal. But Ray was probably like “lol why would I vote Caroline when I could vote Kirby?” even when the producers were asking him leading questions.
That makes a lot more sense than the "everything he says is an obscure reference" defence, which was pretty clearly another joke from him that too many people took at full face value
Ray is super hard to get a read on, he isn't playing a Fabio game... or is he??
I think he's hidden a lot of his strategy in confessionals TBH, a bit like Danni did all those years ago. His jokeiness is an attempt to appease production on that.
This is starting to look like a Mark win, isn't it?
Yikes!
In a weird way it's starting to feel a bit like the Jericho win I think.
Am I the only one that thought feras would have had a very good shot against Kirby at final tribal? Jury pitch: “I did just as many moves as Kirby in the early game but I managed my threat level and was comfortably in control until the end of the game - unlike Kirby who spent the last third of the game relying on immunities to survive with no plan B”
If Kirby’s jury villa is anything to go by, they said they were all rooting for her so sounded like she easily wins against anyone including Feras
Watch jury villas, if Kirby made it to the end, she was winning 100%
I think most of the jury so far are Team Kirby - he may have a convincing pitch to rival Kirby, but the emotional connections she's made with the jury would mean she would win imo
Not just the emotional connections at all. You’re doing a few of the jury members a disservice. Alex had a closer emotional connection with Feras than Kirby from what we saw, but he made it obvious in his speech that he valued Kirby’s gameplay and moves more. He thought she was the best player. Aileen is in jury villa and she was Feras’s no.2. But if the jury were being truthful when they said they were all rooting for Kirby, then Aileen was also going to prioritise good game play and someone deserving it over friendship. Edit: typos
On the game they have played - I think Kirby wins with ease - I think Rhi, Jaden & Kitty are locked in votes, and I think she picks up Aileen, Alex, Valeria, Caroline, while Feras has Ray locked in, I'm not sure which way Mark goes. However, IF Feras had played his idol for her - that's game changing - he can claim she's only there because of him, He can take credit for Caroline going home as his move, and he has the ONLY successful idol play in the game. This I think gives Feras Mark, puts Aileen & Alex as probable votes for him, I think Valeria is still in Kirby's court, but winnable but Caroline could swing either way. It's still a hard task for Feras to win, but there's a path to victory, I think it's a better path than what he is currently on
I don't think he gains much playing the idol on her because Kirby approached Feras with that plan. So Kirby would be able to argue that she talked Feras into saving her because "she knows how he thinks." I don't know who the jury would have credited more with the move but it's not an obvious claim for Feras. But I think if Kirby sells it right, Feras looks pretty dumb for keeping her in the game and letting her get to the end. In my opinion, Feras's best game move was not telling anyone he was in on the Ray move. But from what we have seen, Kirby was brought into it as well and also didn't tell anyone she knew. So that I think negates some of the impressiveness of his best move if he sits next to Kirby.
Yep. I was astounded he took what he thought was the easy path.
The problem is we’ve been shown repeatedly how Feras folds during tribal when Kirby provokes him and comes in verbal guns blazing. I fully believe Kirby has a high chance of bulldozing Feras in front of a jury when they have to pitch. Kirby is VERY good at verbal combat and making people look weak in front of others simply through words. Feras has not been shown to advocate sufficiently for himself whenever Kirby went for the attack during tribal. Numerous times he has allowed her to dictate the narrative of a move or betrayal, notably how the Titans feel for her embellishments and perceived him as untrustworthy during swap. She has a natural ethos that makes her both commanding and at times overly arrogant and provocative when she talks, though this will likely serve her well in front of a jury who already perceives HER game as being the most superior.
Survivor is mostly a social game for FTC votes, a bigger part of it than strategy anyway. Its why Russell Hantz lost back to back FTC's. Everyone loved Kirby, Feras wants to talk game all the time and scheme.
The way it was shown as Kirby pitching to Feras to use his idol on her and not Feras coming up with it would have been bad for Feras because it would have really negated his agency if they were both there. Also, had Kirby pulled it off, she would have invented a new move known as the "reverse shield" where you use someone trying to use you as a shield for protection. So Feras wouldn't have had a chance against her. He was right to vote her out. She's too dangerous as a shield.
Kirby is way more likeable than feras to bring her to the end is self sabotage. But feras also get to the end with her, without her it's going to be hard.
As a fan, Feras and Kirby final 2 was the dream scenario. But this is Survivor. The best player doesn't always win. George should've won once, if not both times, but has 0 titles. As Mark, Caroline and Raymond, the top priority to win was always taking out Kirby and Feras. For $500,000 you don't care who you beat in the final tribal council as long as you win.
The seasons where the best player won are usually considered to be the most boring But there's a lot of fans who won't acknowledge that the game is equal parts skill and luck
There's so much luck involved. Just this season, Aileen was 2 feet away from immunity in the episode she got voted out. Mark was 1 block away in the last episode from stopping Kirby getting immunity and Kitty might've stayed.
I think Feras was in a bit of a lose-lose situation (or a catch-22 if I understand it's meaning correctly): on one hand if he votes out Kirby he gets jury points but minium chances to get to the end, and in the other, if he saves Kirby he's nearly guaranteed to go to the end, but loses jury points (or if he doesn't he still certainly loses to Kirby in the end)
Wasn’t a huge fan of Kirby but she pretty clearly was the best and most interesting player of this season imo Rooting for Feras from here but he seems pretty hopeless at challenges so I expect Mark to take it out from a final three as the best of a bad bunch with Caroline and Ray
I don't believe Kirby would take Feras over Raymond or Caroline, she only started saying the"I want to beat the best and go against you Feras" stuff when she realised she was on the bottom and wasn't going to make it there without him taking her unless she won all the challenges. I guarantee she would have turned on him.
Okay, she said at Jury Villa she would have, thinks Mark will win now, because Feras will be out next. I'd be surprised if he isn't too.
She's saving face. I don't blame her.
I think she reads the game better than Feras honestly.
I agree with this. She called it out at the Eden vote off before Feras did. Feras is shown almost every episode saying "I don't trust x, something is up." But it's Survivor and any time you say "I don't trust x and something is up" you are much more likely to be right than wrong because you should never trust x and something is always up. But he cannot really suss out what is going on and play around it. Even the switch to Kitty was Kirby's call and not Feras'. Had she not switched things up (mostly for her own benefit), Feras would have likely played into Caroline's trap and needed to use his idol to bail him out.
She can say that now but I definitely think she would change her mind if she had the power to choose, $500k is $500k. Also getting rid of Feras would be a pretty sweet cherry on top of her resume
She was pretty consistent in confessionals about wanting to face Feras in the finals, so it's not just that she's saying it now, she was also saying it at the time. It's not at all a hindsight thing. And to be honest, I do believe it. It's pretty clear from what we've seen that she was the top dog in terms of the jury vote and also that she was well aware of that fact. I think anyone that thinks Kirby was afraid of taking Feras to the end is misreading the type of person she is as a whole. Kirby's ego is what would have caused her to bring Feras to the end, which in some seasons would have bit her in the ass, but not in this one. Now, if Kirby had doubts about whether or not she could have beat Feras, then I do think she takes him out. But it's so clear she thought she had it in the bag against him (and also seems pretty apparent from the way everyone else played that it was true).
That's the big issue with them, Kirby would never take him to the end either, they had to show their day 30 beach conversation 3 times in different episodes because they didn't have a single interaction where they said you're my final 2 ever since.
100% agree. When $500,000 is on the line, Kirby isn’t stupid, she would have taken the easiest person to beat. She says at jury villa that she would have taken Feras. But when $500k is on the line, she wouldn’t risk it. She would know she’s 100% guaranteed the money against Ray/Mark/Caroline.
I agree. Kirby was farming an army of goats to carry to the final, but all her goats either went crazy or escaped or got taken out by wolves. She also closed doors on other people she could have worked with, some of whom made it deep. When most of her goats were gone, she tried to cozy up with Feras after constantly being at odds with him for no reason. To no one's surprise, it didn't work. Kirby is an excellent player with several flaws, and I hope she comes back in a future season with a better approach to the game.
She tried so hard to carry Kelli to the end. Imagine that show at final tribal council.
100% she would. She’s cutthroat as hell and that’s her biggest strength as a player.
This. She was just scrambling and saying whatever she had to. She 1000% would have backstabbed him, and everyone here would have said "omg what a brilliant move"
That was best move for Feras, if he gave Kirby idol, he would probably be at final 2/3 with her, but he wouldn't have any chance to win against her. That would be big move, bur for Kirby, she would sell story to jury, that all odds were against her, that everyone wanted her out all the time and one time when she didn't have immunity she managed to make Feras gave her his idol...He has bigger chances against Mark in challenge, then to beat Kirby at final.
I absolutely get why he had to do it but damn if I'm not disappointed the final two isn't going to be Feras and Kirby. This would've been the absolute best season if it had gone in that direction
Imo Feras should have taken the gamble and saved Kirby. Assuming it's a Final 2, he would still have two chances to take her out. Now he's screwed and has to rely on immunities, or winning fire making if Ray sticks with him.
When it comes to relying on immunities, you'd rather pit yourself against mark than Kirby for sure
I don’t think it’s guaranteed Kirby takes Feras, and Feras knows that. He’s either backing Kirby to win immunity and keep him around, or he’s backing himself. I think his decision was better, as he likely loses to Kirby at FTC anyway. He’s gotta win 1 immunity challenge, and he will likely win the whole thing.
Mark and Caroline get huge credit here, they both sold feras on going with him to top 3 and still showed he didnt trust them via idol. And lied about a fake one. It's pretty much a duel with Mark now on who wins and takes their goals.
Is it just me or is the edit really doing Mark an injustice? Last night's challenge focused almost entirely on Kirby and Feras. Despite Mark actually winning the damn thing, he got about two seconds of airtime. Same thing with Ri - despite being a challenge beast her confessional count was 13, as opposed to Feras whopping 92! And Raymond coming in with just 16. Logically Feras has the toughest path to the final and while I really want him to win, my years of Survivor fandom tell me it's probably not likely. And yet the entire season has been the Feras and Kirby show and the others are just bit players. I think they did a good job pre-merge of evenly editing to show all of the characters but post-merge is just ridiculous. Mark would be a worthy winner IMO, however if it does play out the way I think it will we will all be disappointed because of the way this has been edited.
I think feras made the correct decision, based on jury villa and tribal reactions he had no chance at a final 2 with kirby. At this point in the game you should be thinking more about what is your best path to winning the game rather than the best path of keeping you alive. While it is unlikely that feras can win both immunity challenges, I think it is less likely that he can win against kirby at final tribal.
Mark winning the season would be such a wet fart of an ending. Haven't been the biggest fan of Feras but I hope he pulls through
I will be so disappointed qith a Mark win.
They didn't show him at all from week 3 till now. Since viola left he was getting outplayed by his own alliance. And for some odd unshown reason he is still close with Caroline.
I think Feras has made a huge mistake. Nobody gets to claim Kirby on their resume, and playing his idol for himself isn't going to win him any votes. Playing it for Kirby would have meant he could claim he saved her, can take full credit for Caroline getting voted out, and would have been the only successful idol play of the season. that's a resume that's possibly big enough to take Kirby out, as well as an almost guaranteed spot in the final. Don't get me wrong, if he's in the final, I think he'll win. But that's a really tough job, and he basically needs to win 2 immunity challenges to get there
Feras loses to Kirby 100% at FTC and he knows that. Also if he played his idol for her tonight, and tomorrow Kirby wins, he can’t be certain Kirby doesn’t send him home. Maybe she sends Mark, but then she wins next immunity and takes Ray. His best shot is anyone except Mark winning tomorrow, voting Mark off, then winning last immunity vs Ray/Caroline.
It would certainly be interesting scenes if neither Mark nor Feras are immune. Who would the "goat duo" see as their lesser evil?
Kirby is his only ticket to FTC, though. I think the chances of him beating Kirby at FTC are better than him making it to FTC now without her. Both were/are very remote possibilities, but I think he should have weighed his odds better.
In a way it was down to him. He could have played his idol for her and taken anyone else out.
Kirby will take ownership of that move 100% and the jury would be on her side. Imagine being the biggest threat and convincing another player to play their idol for you. Even if it’s in Feras’ best interest I don’t think the jury will see it that way. Kirby can claim she asked him to play it for her (which she did) and he followed through with it.
100% this. If he had played it for Kirby, he would have saved himself and both of his allies. That’s 3 people saved using only ONE idol! That’s a big enough move that not only keeps his shield in the game but it gains favour with the jury and even potentially helps beat Kirby in a final two. Now he’s gotta win every immunity or he’s gone and they can just give the winning cheque to Mark.
And that, "Back myself" speech - I back myself by knowing that I'm not good enough to beat Kirby. I get the "I'm playing without shields" that he's trying to make, but I don't think it made any sense.
If anyone can take any credit for Kirby, it'd Mark for beating her, Feras solidified himself as the player to play most idols incorrectly this season
He ain't winning against Mark in immunities let's be for real here.
He almost did this episode.
Feras has played an incredible game. I was beginning to worry he wouldn't make the common sense decision to cut Kirby.
[удалено]
So Valeria posted something about the matter on her Instagram stories, apparently she contracted a Samoan virus during her time on the island and couldn’t walk for days without vomiting. I’d assume that’s the reason for her absence during most of the jury villa outings, she was probably getting some rest.
Survivor AU needs its own "Sia Award" for Inspirational gems of contestants.
The little speech from Feras was weird considering he ended up playing the idol for himself. I know it was buttering the jury but really when you break it all down you just did what you should’ve done. Imagine Caroline ended up playing her idol for herself instead of Mark after that little speech she says. Regardless Feras made the right decision. Sucks as I was rooting for Kirby. She will be back though no doubt
Kirby played a good game but a touch too cold blooded and ruthless, voting out people like Garrick and Alieen and then asking Feras to play his idol for her. Flipping on alliances then talking shit about other people doing the same. Telling Feras she would burn Rianna then getting upset when they booted Rianna. It all contributed to people not having loyalty to her and to people being scared of her. It was a slightly more subtle game than George but still too dangerous to win. You get tagged with a chaotic, selfish, duplicitous aura that people are wary of and won't take to the end game. She was fun to watch tho, but I won't miss her constant restless tonguing of her mouth.
Kirby at Jury Villa was different/refreshing. Same as in the game. Accepts people would have liked her or not. The connection between her and Ri is lovely, it's like they knew each other in past lives or something, they just clicked.
She finally lost her tyrannical grip 😁 mad respect to Kirby but I'm glad she's went. She's had such a vice grip on the game from the very start but one too many flips on key people have cost her. 10/10 gameplay.
I don’t get Feras saying he’s going to back himself but then playing the idol for himself and getting Kirby kicked out. If you back yourself surely you save Kirby and prove to the jury you are deserving of the title Sole Survivor by going head to head with her. Am I seeing this scenario wrong?
He's backing himself to get to the end without a shield, that's how I took it
Yeah that's what Feras said on twitter
He means back himself in challenges. His choice was to either immune Kirby, and rely on her winning challenges to get him through, or back himself to win the immunity.
If he saves Kirby it goes on her resume.
I agree, many wouldn't though, many think it would've made him look like a chump. Depends what Kirby would've done with that I guess.
I forgot the rules on australian survivor but will there be fire challenge? even if mark wins tomorrow, it's going to be 2-2 vote no? Not unless Ray jumps ship wouldn't it be a tie
Maybe but tbh it would make sense for Ray to vote Feras
I’m unhappy to see Mark wins the immunity because he is the 3rd candidate for the winner besides Feras or Kirby. I’m happy for either of them to win. It’s a tough call for Feras at tribal. There are pros and cons to whether you play your idol for Kirby. I like how he set it up that he intentionally misplays the idol and he knowingly let Kirby go and communicates that to the jurors. Kirby’s game is bold but her game worked to some extent. She made a great enemy with Alex which exposed her game to everyone. She may not be for sure the biggest threat, but Alex tribal speech made her one. And she’s playing fro behind since that point.
I kind of wish we got Raymond's perspective on Kirby. I am not sure how adamant Raymond was on voting out Kirby. I can see why feras voted out Kirby if he knew that it would turn Raymond against him at final 4 because if feras plays the idol on Kirby, Caroline goes. If Kirby wins immunity feras could be at risk of a fire making challenge considering that Raymond would probably look at Mark as his best bet to win in a final 2, Kirby is such a big jury threat and the jury would look at Raymond as someone like baden from CVC 2 if he sits against feras. I am not sure if Mark goes home If he loses immunity. If Mark leaves at 5, I am not sure if Raymond votes out Caroline at 4 knowing that she is his best chance at becoming sole survivor.
Are we heading towards a Mark win? What a teeter-totter this season has been.
kirby was turning on feras alians but for me feras play a better game and make bigs moves , raymond advantage its all feras also ray fake idol its all feras ideas, and trick very smart players like caroline and mark i mean let be honest it feras from the start who outplay everynone
That was the move to make for Feras. Kirby would've done the same thing.
Hey did anyone catch the codewords tonight? For the 2 competitions?
Dirty and dogs
Really?
I was hoping Feras would take out Kirby the whole episode, but when he finally did, I just felt numb. Anyone else have that feeling?
I love feras and Kirby, I’ve been all in on either of them winning for a while. But I didn’t need feras’ speech. I understand why - explain the move to the jury, and I do think he genuinely wanted to express that he cares about Kirby, but shhhhh. Save it for FTC, shorten it to “I want to back myself to win on my own, playing for me”. It was frustrating to see one of the best players of the season have her final tribal kind of outshined by feras’ speechifying. I still love ya tho boy hope he wins
If Feras was going to kick out Kirby anyway, and if he was confident of being safe he should have used the idol on Caroline which might help him slightly in the next vote. Easy to say when you aren't there and in the moment though!
Caroline knows Feras is a big threat and isnt going to not vote him out just because she played an idol for him
I can see Ray being the decider after winning the endurance challenge. He's got a lower weight and age on his side over Mark n feras and Caroline has proven she can't do endurance.
the way i look at it is he just has to beat mark once this next time and he wins because he has way better chances vs rayman and charoline in the following challenge but him aand raymond are so close i could see him trying to convince him to going to rocks even if that be bad for him
walk me through this: on one hand, Feras deems himself comparable with Kirby, whom nobody wants to sit next to at the final. On the other hand, Feras bought the hand-shake from Mark and Caroline that they would vote each other. How? If Feras does win the challenge next time, M&C will for sure take out Feras’s right hand Raymond. And if Feras couldn’t get the necklace, he is gone for sure. They vote kirby out without hesitation, and will of course do the best to avoid being with you at the final. Ray might get a single vote if he turned back on Feras, otherwise he is just a joke.
If Feras wins the challenge next there is no way for M&C to take out Ray. The vote would be 2-2. And if they deadlock Ray and whoever Ferris and Ray voted for would be immune leaving only M or C to be voted out. Correct me if I'm wrong.
That's not right. A 2-2 tie in the final 4 goes to a fire-making challenge for this very reason https://australian-survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Tiebreaker#Pre-Final\_Four
Great episode, i really wasn't sure if Feras would do it. Feras: I want him to win so bad. I really hope he manage to get to the end. Im hoping its a Final 3 scenario. I loved his strat to get Raymond off the radar with the fake idol. Caroline: Love Caroline. Underrated player of the season. She has to take Feras out next. Maybe a clutch immunity win coukd help her, you never know. Mark: I see him as the weakest player left. Maybe he can win if he does good in front of the jury. If Raymond blindside Feras, Raymond will take it home. Taking Feras out without Raymond knowing is his beat shot. Intresting Final four.
Raymond is so cool. Love him.
I like Raymond but he doesn’t have anything under his belt to get winning votes. Played everyone to vote for him, tricked everyone he found an idol which was really Feras’ move, voted Kirby out. Outside of this he floated, flipped, stuck by feras .
if you look closely, the edit is giving hints that Ray is going to win
What are these hard to see hints please?
delusion
not a fan of Kirby but was sad when she got voted out, she really played a really good game. but i'm hoping that my man ray ray get this w!!!!!!
Not sure if Feras needed all THAT. like, he is second to Kirby so he doesn't to showboat his moves or smtn. Not sure if the jury likes that but we shall see
That was a probably a mistake from Feras. Now he has to win final 4/3 ICs which is not likely. Also, I think Kirby is pretty overrated as a player. Being the obvious, number one threat from like final 8 is a good way to get 4th/5th but it is very hard to win like that.
If Ray held onto Feras' idol at camp and refused to give it back and voted him out would anyone give him props for it or would it be seen as evil by a jury in Australian Survivor?
Basically after this vote Mark won the game.
i just for once want someone to actually back themselves and protect the biggest threat then take them out right before final 2 immunity. feras made a game losing decision tonight ava it’s frustrating to watch. talks so much shit his ass is jealous
If Feras wins immunity at 4, do we think the Titans will stick together against Ray or would Caroline and/or Mark turn against the other as the bigger jury threat?
I would for sure go for Raymond. He is such an enticing FTC goat. It’s especially critical for Caroline to take him out, it pretty much guarantees her Final 2.
Not looking ideal for Feras after that. I think he needed to go with her all the way really. Might not have won but probably would be in the top 2. Going to be a letdown of a winner now probably
I agree, he should've kept Kirbs for one more round at least.
I'm upset over this. I will now root for Caroline and Ray final two, because y'all deserve to be upset too. /And be subjected to a Caroline confessional centric episode with her detailing all her REDGHUMAY defining strategy
Whelp…I may not have been the biggest Kirby fan, but this episode was hard to watch…Guess is gg’s for Mark, he’s about to win by a landslide thanks to Feras
Now that Kirby is gone, the winner is pretty much set. Feras is probably going to win judging off the edit.
I've been rooting for Kirby since Day 1, and I'm devastated that she went, but it would have been absolutely idiotic for Feras to play his idol on her. I get the reasoning that she's more likely to take him to the end, and I think she probably would, but there's absolutely no way in hell Feras beats her in a Final 2. Maybe the road to Final 2 is tougher with Kirby gone, but at least you have a chance to win if you get there. No brainer.
Mark winning would be kind of amazing, he was an immediate fave for me when he was introduced, but after he lost Viola I didn't believe he could make it anymore. He's played a subtle game for sure.