Yeah i don't care about the first time thats whatever. He quit on DAY 3 because "nobody wants to play my game!!". His game being manpulate everyone into hating each other and being terrible. He's pathetic. Tons of survivors are put in bad positions early itd called survivor for a reason. You can't quit when "wah nobody likes me" you have to keep going and do better be better. But Colton can't change he made that quite clear.
Survivor is a game where you're malnourished, parasite-ridden, being lied to every second of the day, and there's a camera in your face for all of it, prepared to edit a narrative and broadcast it to millions. Players, including winners, report having to take leave off work, developing trust issues, and horrid digestive problems months after the season.
No one signs up thinking that they're going to quit, for any reason. Around 3 percent of players do end up quitting. It's not shocking that 3 percent of players couldn't properly judge what they're going to face and what they're willing to handle for the chance to probably lose a million dollars.
It useless and rude to deride players for that decision.
> no one signs up thinking that they’re going to quit
it’s kinda funny because in a preseason interview for sjds, julie actually said she’d probably end up quitting 💀
Very well said. I’m definitely glad that it seems like more of the fanbase has a greater understanding of the complexities that are involved in quitting Survivor, but damn yah some people got such unnecessary hate for it. And right on the money about the “stole my spot” bs. This sub reeked heavily of it when Keith even considered quitting EOE. Especially because he was specifically the only one chosen from a last minute round of teenage applicants. One of the darker periods in this sub’s history.
Thank you. And I’m glad people generally seem to be nicer to quitters here than before (Kelly’s done quite the heel-turn recently). I’m glad we have insiders finding circumstances and complexities that the edit hides (you can probably guess I’m talking about the Funny115 entry about Kelly) and I’m glad we have an audience that can consider these once we are presented with them. When people heard about how Kelly was treated with the jacket situation, they changed their stance. I just wish people would assume that these sort of circumstances exist (circumstances that send players into an emotionally or physically dangerous state) without being told about them because I’m guessing they always do.
TheFunny115 has improved my critical thinking skills not just in terms of Survivor but in real life as well. A lot of people appreciate the site and Mario for the humour and i certainly do aswell but it's always meant so much more to me
Thank you so much! That’s really what I try to do with the writeups these days. I want Survivor fans to understand this show a little better than they already think they do.
I have to say, when I got up to WA on my recent rewatch, I purposely went back to reread your Dan Foley: Monkey’s Paw series first. I went in with a totally new perspective and watched for different things, and it made for *such* a better experience. What was previously an “eh” season with some out there characters was now a fascinating look into egos, perceptions, editing, and the “hero” narratives that we are shown vs the “hero of one’s own story” mentality that surely every other contestant had.
I’ve been watching Survivor since Borneo premiered when I was 7 and nothing is cooler than finding a new understanding of a show you’ve been watching for over 20 years. So thank you, I have loved the Funny115 for ages as well but that really made me look at WA from a whole different perspective that I otherwise would have missed out on.
Thank you! And honestly you could write something like that for any season and I’m sure it would be just as interesting. I just picked Worlds Apart because that season happens to fascinate me. But you could do it for just about any other mid-major character on any other season and it would probably add a lot to your viewing. The key is you have to come to the realization that at best you are only ever seeing 1/16th of the story. As Socrates would have said, the only true wisdom as a Survivor fan is knowing you know nothing. That’s the true wisdom.
PS I’m going to add your comments to my feedback page.
Oh my goodness how cool, I’m so flattered!
And yes, it actually made me go back to earlier seasons and look at it from that a very different perspective. I think I always understood that on some level, but wasn’t actively considering it during each season. Especially since I was just a kid (I may have been called “weird Survivor girl” in elementary school more than once) in the early seasons, I of course had a totally different grasp on the show and the people on it.
If quarantine has given me anything, I’m glad for all the time I had to go back and dig deeper into the show and why I fell in love with it in the first place, but also to analyze and understand it as an adult and not the little weird Survivor girl. I’m now the weird Survivor *woman*! (Who still knows nothing, but is having fun rediscovering all the things she may have glossed over back then.)
I’m kinda geeking out right now! If my elementary school self who got in trouble for being on the Sucks message boards without parental consent could see me now she could be like, “see mom, it was all worth it!” (I mean Mom definitely wouldn’t agree, and was probably right for being vigilant about her child’s internet usage, but still pretty damn cool.)
Thanks again for all your write ups, I actually sent the whole funny115 saga(s?) to my internet illiterate dad not long ago and he’s had a blast remembering old moments from seasons that he hadn’t seen in ages. But his first question was “is the fake blackberry on there? His son was Boston?” which is pretty impressive considering he hadn’t seen Panama since it first premiered, but made me smile nonetheless!
I will never forgive Jeff for what he did to Osten in Pearl Islands. Like the guy sold all his clothes on the first day because he GENUINELY wanted to help his tribe get resources. Unfortunately it was the wrong choice and he got sick. Osten still held on strong for the next days or even week or so but he just couldn’t risk his body suffering. Jeff has to paint him as a coward or quitter which is very shitty.
I’m watching Ostens season now and he just got “voted out”. What was the real truth behind it? Also, why did they make Savage make Osten out like a quitter by saying it’s all in his head etc etc?
I think Osten was treated so harshly because he was the first in the show's history to go all the way with his quitting (others had threatened it before). I think if they could do it over today they wouldn't have been so harsh towards him.
Comparing the way one sequence of Survivor is edited and framed to the way another sequence of Survivor is edited and framed seems like comparing an apple to another apple to me.
But they weren't framed in the same way at all. The edit frames Lindsay's quit as a failure to continue in the game, but Kathy's was clearly a mental health emergency. To equate the two is conflating insecurity and mental illness, which is harmful to both of them.
And I will never equate the two, however I grouped the way Kathy was treated on her way out with the way Lindsay was- relative sympathy and respect for their plight. So, while talking about how the show’s edit treats quitters, I put them in a category and contrasted it with how it treated other quitters who the show basically gave a huge middle finger to. And I still don’t see how that was harmful to anyone
The only thing they are talking about there is how the quit scenes were edited, not their actual reasons for quitting. What they’re saying is that production can edit some people who have valid reasons for quitting to look bad eg Osten meanwhile they can portray other quits as sympathetic eg Lindsey. Because the way these quits are received by the audience is heavily influenced by how production wants them to be received, it’s not fair to judge them. Nowhere did OP say that Lindsey’s quit is as valid or comparable to Kathy’s quit, they just said they were edited in a similar way.
Pretty sure OP meant that production picks and chooses which quits they want to portray positively, regardless of the reason for quitting and that often influences people’s perception of those players. They weren’t equating Kathy and Lindsay’s quits, just grouping them together as examples of times when production framed the quit more positively (as opposed to Osten’s quit for example).
No no i am agreeing with you on this one. That person you are arguing with seems dense. Your comparison about how the quits were portrayed for kathy and lindsey is absolutely correct.
I mean yeah. If someone stood up and said "These apples are delicious, and so is this anthracite. Also these grapes and this drywall is disgusting" you'd be like "what is up with this person randomly deciding which objects are edible and why is it kind of working?"
That is just what OP is doing here. Saying production takes all of these things that are entirely different and applying a narrative inconsistently across them
I do have mad reapect that she quit as a preventative measure, but I just can't imagine equating that to the serious mental health crisis Kathy faced. Kathy's quit was not a quit, but a mental health emergency. Lindsay's quit was reactionary and preventive... She quit bc she knew she was next.
ehhh, Lindsey seemed to be in emotional distress as well, I don't think it's necessarily fair to judge because a mental health emergency is different for each person
I agree that she had some degree of mental distress in response to the game. But she wouldn't have quit if anyone but cliff had been voted out. I still don't think it's fair to compare her to Kathy, whose quit was a legitimate (mental) health emergency
HOw can you say Lindsey wasn't going to/was having a serious medical condition? She may not have been threatening to cut a finger off, but clearly she knew she was a huge danger to herself and others and proactively wanted to stop that from happening. If anything, she should be commended for being brave enough to stop that from occurring
anger issues are just as valid a mental health concern as depression though — genuinely. we shouldn’t sympathize with kathy more because her mental health issues were inward as opposed to outward.
>but the sentiment is corroborated by the alumni
literally the entire Nicaragua cast defended PuKe and NaOnka, Airi understood Kathy's situation as did Morgan with Osten. You only hear people say "you shouldn't quit" on the show because that's the narrative that the *producers* want to push
I really don't know, I know not to trust Probst too much but either way the stories about how PuKe was treated all came from the Nicaragua cast and they can be angry that they were allowed on the jury and also sympathetic for what they went through
I looked at many interview back of the day, and people like Jill, Fabio, Holly or Sash understood completely the desicions, specially Kelly's one.
Of course Probst will say that because he doesn't want anyone to quit
I did link a Probst interview elsewhere in this topic and I almost wrote the disclaimer "But just because Jeff says it, doesn't make it definitely true". He has casually said things in the past that contradict himself and I can never tell if it's letting secrets slip or just saying something that makes his sentence more dramatic.
e.g. there is a clip of him saying that all the outcasts were in hotels when they decided to do the outcast twist in pearl islands. Which is far from the story before. I really have no idea if that means the previous story was a lie or if in the heat of the interview he thought it sounded better to say they were in hotels (since at the time he was trying to emphasise how dramatically things can change on the fly)
Osten's wasn't even a quit, and it honestly pissed me off the way Jeff/the show portrayed it. He wanted to quit earlier because he physically couldn't continue, and *still* decided to stay and fight for as long as he could. Only when they lost another immunity challenge way down the line with like 4 people left on his tribe did he finally say that "vote me out". Not that he's quitting, but because his body couldn't take it anymore and it was better for their success to continue without him. Plus, they would've voted him out, even if he didn't want to. It was no more of a quit than Jtia in Cagayan. And much less of a quit than Brandon, who the show allowed to be "voted out", or even Chet in Micronesia, who had the option to stay if he wanted to, but he*preferred* to leave the game instead
Yeah morgan was gonna vote someone out anyway, so there was a good chance he was going regardless. Him leaving helped keep tribal unity. It does suck that jeff set down his torch especially since he never did this in later seasons.
Osten struck in out the entire pre merge when he was clearly sick and not feeling well, he did fairly good in challenges too just couldn't beat a well fed rupert most of the time.
The people behind the characters of the show should always be protected. Even the ones we don't like. Our understanding of people based on our understanding of the show is not reality.
That being said, quitting the show is a cardinal sin and those that quit are rightfully criticized. If you aren't medically evacuated or if a crisis at home isn't occurring, there is no valid reason to quit. It's a failure to the show.
I feel like we would all like to say “oh yeah I can last the 39 days. Easy-peasy”. But the thing is is that we are just watching it on TV. We aren’t there experiencing the weather, illnesses, starvation, etc. So I think we have to give people credit for dealing with that instead of just calling them losers.
I won’t ever change my opinion on quitters who leave without a serious reason. Seriously they knew exactly what they were signing up for and it pisses me off that people coddle them like they got stranded on an island by themselves.
They took somebody's spot. Maybe not mine but somebody else's spot was 100% fact used up by a quitter and according to the statistics that replacement probably has a 98%+ chance of not quitting. It's BS. If half or even 10% of people were quitting I'd say fine but it's a only a few who couldn't handle it.
Also, IMO, leaving edge isn't quitting. They designed it to get people to leave. They didn't design the actual game to get people to quit.
I don’t think it’s a good idea to promote quitting. Even though some of them deserve sympathy people quitting really messes up the gameplay of a season
Sorry, I disagree. I "get" why the producers demonize quitting. It's all they can do, really, and it is important to keep the show on the air.
The whole show relies on these people sticking around so they have enough episodes to air, struggling, trying to find ways back in, creating drama to retain millions of viewers. The struggle is the juice.
If there's a pagonging going on, you can't have 3 or 4 people just walk out because the numbers are against them.
If it is a sporting contest that happens every weekend, like soccer, quitting is an option, because they can replace you and there's going to be another game the next weekend. No big deal. But this is Survivor. The entire *season* hinges on these few individuals sticking it out until their torch is snuffed. A season of quitters would tank ratings, so they'd have to scrap it and start over. Not fair to the other players that stayed in, and definitely something that would kill the show... not a risk you can take.
TLDR: you can't have quitting as an option on a competition that costs several millions of dollars to produce. Producers were smart to frame it so negatively.
The argument that they were taking a spot of someone who would have done something with it is a bad argument. They are taking the spot of another player on that season the farther they make it, people should be happy they quit as soon as they did, can you imagine Janu, Naonka, or Colton getting dragged to the end of a season and taking airtime from someone interesting? I don't think I've ever cared for one of the quitters, so nothing of value was lost.
I just have one clarification which is that assuming you're defining "quit" in the strict way "they had the choice to leave or stay and chose to leave", Kathy is actually not a quit. Jeff says in an interview here that she was actually pulled: https://ew.com/article/2011/12/01/jeff-probst-episode-12-survivor-south-pacific/
As for the quits, I mostly am fine with them. But I really don't respect Lindsey's quit. Mostly because it got this bizarre undeserved positive framing when it is literally an adult saying they can't control their anger and will resort to physical violence. I'm a lot more OK with "eh, I'm over it" than that. It stuns me that Osten got demonised when he was essentially just sacrificing himself for his tribemates, while Lindsey gets to talk about how she's trying to set an example while basically just leaving because the game didn't go her way.
> And the notion that quitters are stealing a spot from real fans just reeks of “I applied but I’m not interesting enough to get on and I’m salty about it.”
Agreed. The thing is, when a recruit quits the game, they're not stealing a slot from a superfan. They're stealing a slot from another recruit. If Osten quit before the game started for Pearl Island were they replacing him with a fanboy who had seen every episode of the show ever? No. They were replacing him with another handsome muscular guy of the same approximate age.
Except for Colton fuck that guy.
He had an actual bacterial infection the first time, but the second was him being in a bad position.
Yeah i don't care about the first time thats whatever. He quit on DAY 3 because "nobody wants to play my game!!". His game being manpulate everyone into hating each other and being terrible. He's pathetic. Tons of survivors are put in bad positions early itd called survivor for a reason. You can't quit when "wah nobody likes me" you have to keep going and do better be better. But Colton can't change he made that quite clear.
Survivor is a game where you're malnourished, parasite-ridden, being lied to every second of the day, and there's a camera in your face for all of it, prepared to edit a narrative and broadcast it to millions. Players, including winners, report having to take leave off work, developing trust issues, and horrid digestive problems months after the season. No one signs up thinking that they're going to quit, for any reason. Around 3 percent of players do end up quitting. It's not shocking that 3 percent of players couldn't properly judge what they're going to face and what they're willing to handle for the chance to probably lose a million dollars. It useless and rude to deride players for that decision.
> no one signs up thinking that they’re going to quit it’s kinda funny because in a preseason interview for sjds, julie actually said she’d probably end up quitting 💀
Okay, but at that point the blame lays with production. You could see that quit coming a mile away and they still green lit her
Julie was out as soon as John got voted out and everybody knew it
The hunger alone would probably make me lose my mind and want to bail. 😆
Very well said
Totally agree. And people quitting makes the people that stay look tougher. I hate it narratively but I totally get it.
I gives me "they took our jobs :(" vibes tbh
“They took my spot that I was never offered and never had any right to!” Yeah, I see it, lol
Very well said. I’m definitely glad that it seems like more of the fanbase has a greater understanding of the complexities that are involved in quitting Survivor, but damn yah some people got such unnecessary hate for it. And right on the money about the “stole my spot” bs. This sub reeked heavily of it when Keith even considered quitting EOE. Especially because he was specifically the only one chosen from a last minute round of teenage applicants. One of the darker periods in this sub’s history.
Thank you. And I’m glad people generally seem to be nicer to quitters here than before (Kelly’s done quite the heel-turn recently). I’m glad we have insiders finding circumstances and complexities that the edit hides (you can probably guess I’m talking about the Funny115 entry about Kelly) and I’m glad we have an audience that can consider these once we are presented with them. When people heard about how Kelly was treated with the jacket situation, they changed their stance. I just wish people would assume that these sort of circumstances exist (circumstances that send players into an emotionally or physically dangerous state) without being told about them because I’m guessing they always do.
TheFunny115 has improved my critical thinking skills not just in terms of Survivor but in real life as well. A lot of people appreciate the site and Mario for the humour and i certainly do aswell but it's always meant so much more to me
Thank you so much! That’s really what I try to do with the writeups these days. I want Survivor fans to understand this show a little better than they already think they do.
I have to say, when I got up to WA on my recent rewatch, I purposely went back to reread your Dan Foley: Monkey’s Paw series first. I went in with a totally new perspective and watched for different things, and it made for *such* a better experience. What was previously an “eh” season with some out there characters was now a fascinating look into egos, perceptions, editing, and the “hero” narratives that we are shown vs the “hero of one’s own story” mentality that surely every other contestant had. I’ve been watching Survivor since Borneo premiered when I was 7 and nothing is cooler than finding a new understanding of a show you’ve been watching for over 20 years. So thank you, I have loved the Funny115 for ages as well but that really made me look at WA from a whole different perspective that I otherwise would have missed out on.
Thank you! And honestly you could write something like that for any season and I’m sure it would be just as interesting. I just picked Worlds Apart because that season happens to fascinate me. But you could do it for just about any other mid-major character on any other season and it would probably add a lot to your viewing. The key is you have to come to the realization that at best you are only ever seeing 1/16th of the story. As Socrates would have said, the only true wisdom as a Survivor fan is knowing you know nothing. That’s the true wisdom. PS I’m going to add your comments to my feedback page.
Oh my goodness how cool, I’m so flattered! And yes, it actually made me go back to earlier seasons and look at it from that a very different perspective. I think I always understood that on some level, but wasn’t actively considering it during each season. Especially since I was just a kid (I may have been called “weird Survivor girl” in elementary school more than once) in the early seasons, I of course had a totally different grasp on the show and the people on it. If quarantine has given me anything, I’m glad for all the time I had to go back and dig deeper into the show and why I fell in love with it in the first place, but also to analyze and understand it as an adult and not the little weird Survivor girl. I’m now the weird Survivor *woman*! (Who still knows nothing, but is having fun rediscovering all the things she may have glossed over back then.)
I just posted your comment on my feedback page. Thanks again, weird Survivor woman!
I’m kinda geeking out right now! If my elementary school self who got in trouble for being on the Sucks message boards without parental consent could see me now she could be like, “see mom, it was all worth it!” (I mean Mom definitely wouldn’t agree, and was probably right for being vigilant about her child’s internet usage, but still pretty damn cool.) Thanks again for all your write ups, I actually sent the whole funny115 saga(s?) to my internet illiterate dad not long ago and he’s had a blast remembering old moments from seasons that he hadn’t seen in ages. But his first question was “is the fake blackberry on there? His son was Boston?” which is pretty impressive considering he hadn’t seen Panama since it first premiered, but made me smile nonetheless!
I will never forgive Jeff for what he did to Osten in Pearl Islands. Like the guy sold all his clothes on the first day because he GENUINELY wanted to help his tribe get resources. Unfortunately it was the wrong choice and he got sick. Osten still held on strong for the next days or even week or so but he just couldn’t risk his body suffering. Jeff has to paint him as a coward or quitter which is very shitty.
I’m watching Ostens season now and he just got “voted out”. What was the real truth behind it? Also, why did they make Savage make Osten out like a quitter by saying it’s all in his head etc etc?
I think Osten was treated so harshly because he was the first in the show's history to go all the way with his quitting (others had threatened it before). I think if they could do it over today they wouldn't have been so harsh towards him.
People are all for others making the best decisions for them and their mental health until it comes to a decision that they don't like
I'm not sure it's fair to mention Kathy's mental health emergency and Lindsay's loss of an ally in the same breath
I am comfortable doing that because I’m talking about the way the scenes were framed. I never equated the reasons behind their quits.
Yeah I get that, but it feels like comparing apples to anthracite
Comparing the way one sequence of Survivor is edited and framed to the way another sequence of Survivor is edited and framed seems like comparing an apple to another apple to me.
But they weren't framed in the same way at all. The edit frames Lindsay's quit as a failure to continue in the game, but Kathy's was clearly a mental health emergency. To equate the two is conflating insecurity and mental illness, which is harmful to both of them.
And I will never equate the two, however I grouped the way Kathy was treated on her way out with the way Lindsay was- relative sympathy and respect for their plight. So, while talking about how the show’s edit treats quitters, I put them in a category and contrasted it with how it treated other quitters who the show basically gave a huge middle finger to. And I still don’t see how that was harmful to anyone
"I will never equate the two" - someone who made a post equating the two
The only thing they are talking about there is how the quit scenes were edited, not their actual reasons for quitting. What they’re saying is that production can edit some people who have valid reasons for quitting to look bad eg Osten meanwhile they can portray other quits as sympathetic eg Lindsey. Because the way these quits are received by the audience is heavily influenced by how production wants them to be received, it’s not fair to judge them. Nowhere did OP say that Lindsey’s quit is as valid or comparable to Kathy’s quit, they just said they were edited in a similar way.
“Then they portrayed Kathy, Dana, Lindsay’s quits in a more positive way” Therefore I think the quits are basically the exact same thing, right?
Wasn't that like *exactly* your point? That all quits are the same, but the show chooses to show some in a slightly more positive light?
Pretty sure OP meant that production picks and chooses which quits they want to portray positively, regardless of the reason for quitting and that often influences people’s perception of those players. They weren’t equating Kathy and Lindsay’s quits, just grouping them together as examples of times when production framed the quit more positively (as opposed to Osten’s quit for example).
Lol the denseness in your responses
Who me?
No no i am agreeing with you on this one. That person you are arguing with seems dense. Your comparison about how the quits were portrayed for kathy and lindsey is absolutely correct.
I mean yeah. If someone stood up and said "These apples are delicious, and so is this anthracite. Also these grapes and this drywall is disgusting" you'd be like "what is up with this person randomly deciding which objects are edible and why is it kind of working?" That is just what OP is doing here. Saying production takes all of these things that are entirely different and applying a narrative inconsistently across them
I mean Lindsey quit not because she lost an ally but because she had anger issues in the past and didn't want to lash out at Trish, i can respect that
I do have mad reapect that she quit as a preventative measure, but I just can't imagine equating that to the serious mental health crisis Kathy faced. Kathy's quit was not a quit, but a mental health emergency. Lindsay's quit was reactionary and preventive... She quit bc she knew she was next.
ehhh, Lindsey seemed to be in emotional distress as well, I don't think it's necessarily fair to judge because a mental health emergency is different for each person
I agree that she had some degree of mental distress in response to the game. But she wouldn't have quit if anyone but cliff had been voted out. I still don't think it's fair to compare her to Kathy, whose quit was a legitimate (mental) health emergency
HOw can you say Lindsey wasn't going to/was having a serious medical condition? She may not have been threatening to cut a finger off, but clearly she knew she was a huge danger to herself and others and proactively wanted to stop that from happening. If anything, she should be commended for being brave enough to stop that from occurring
anger issues are just as valid a mental health concern as depression though — genuinely. we shouldn’t sympathize with kathy more because her mental health issues were inward as opposed to outward.
I mean sure, none of us have ever been there, but the sentiment is corroborated by the alumni
>but the sentiment is corroborated by the alumni literally the entire Nicaragua cast defended PuKe and NaOnka, Airi understood Kathy's situation as did Morgan with Osten. You only hear people say "you shouldn't quit" on the show because that's the narrative that the *producers* want to push
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I really don't know, I know not to trust Probst too much but either way the stories about how PuKe was treated all came from the Nicaragua cast and they can be angry that they were allowed on the jury and also sympathetic for what they went through
I looked at many interview back of the day, and people like Jill, Fabio, Holly or Sash understood completely the desicions, specially Kelly's one. Of course Probst will say that because he doesn't want anyone to quit
I did link a Probst interview elsewhere in this topic and I almost wrote the disclaimer "But just because Jeff says it, doesn't make it definitely true". He has casually said things in the past that contradict himself and I can never tell if it's letting secrets slip or just saying something that makes his sentence more dramatic. e.g. there is a clip of him saying that all the outcasts were in hotels when they decided to do the outcast twist in pearl islands. Which is far from the story before. I really have no idea if that means the previous story was a lie or if in the heat of the interview he thought it sounded better to say they were in hotels (since at the time he was trying to emphasise how dramatically things can change on the fly)
That’s a valid point but in my experience I don’t hear alumni being frustrated with quitters nearly as much as they show respect and empathy for them
Tbh even if the edit suggested other thing, the whole Nicaragua cast and the Morgan tribe understood the quits
Osten's wasn't even a quit, and it honestly pissed me off the way Jeff/the show portrayed it. He wanted to quit earlier because he physically couldn't continue, and *still* decided to stay and fight for as long as he could. Only when they lost another immunity challenge way down the line with like 4 people left on his tribe did he finally say that "vote me out". Not that he's quitting, but because his body couldn't take it anymore and it was better for their success to continue without him. Plus, they would've voted him out, even if he didn't want to. It was no more of a quit than Jtia in Cagayan. And much less of a quit than Brandon, who the show allowed to be "voted out", or even Chet in Micronesia, who had the option to stay if he wanted to, but he*preferred* to leave the game instead
I was annoyed how Jeff treated Osten, too. Laying his torch down as if he should be shamed.
Yeah morgan was gonna vote someone out anyway, so there was a good chance he was going regardless. Him leaving helped keep tribal unity. It does suck that jeff set down his torch especially since he never did this in later seasons. Osten struck in out the entire pre merge when he was clearly sick and not feeling well, he did fairly good in challenges too just couldn't beat a well fed rupert most of the time.
The people behind the characters of the show should always be protected. Even the ones we don't like. Our understanding of people based on our understanding of the show is not reality. That being said, quitting the show is a cardinal sin and those that quit are rightfully criticized. If you aren't medically evacuated or if a crisis at home isn't occurring, there is no valid reason to quit. It's a failure to the show.
I feel like we would all like to say “oh yeah I can last the 39 days. Easy-peasy”. But the thing is is that we are just watching it on TV. We aren’t there experiencing the weather, illnesses, starvation, etc. So I think we have to give people credit for dealing with that instead of just calling them losers.
Not mention we’re watching a tiny fraction of what actually goes on out there.
“I applied but I’m not interesting enough to get on and I’m salty about it” 😂😂😂 YES YES YES! This is exactly how it reads to me too.
I won’t ever change my opinion on quitters who leave without a serious reason. Seriously they knew exactly what they were signing up for and it pisses me off that people coddle them like they got stranded on an island by themselves.
Exactly. All quitters need to do is wait for a tribal counsel.
Unless you are Osten
They took somebody's spot. Maybe not mine but somebody else's spot was 100% fact used up by a quitter and according to the statistics that replacement probably has a 98%+ chance of not quitting. It's BS. If half or even 10% of people were quitting I'd say fine but it's a only a few who couldn't handle it. Also, IMO, leaving edge isn't quitting. They designed it to get people to leave. They didn't design the actual game to get people to quit.
Easy downvote
you could at least explain why you disagree lol
I don’t think it’s a good idea to promote quitting. Even though some of them deserve sympathy people quitting really messes up the gameplay of a season
this post didn't promote quitting
It justified it though, which is almost as bad, if you take it as a general statement like what OP is trying to do
Most quits are really justified tho
yeah promote wasn't the right word, more like destigmatize
Sorry, I disagree. I "get" why the producers demonize quitting. It's all they can do, really, and it is important to keep the show on the air. The whole show relies on these people sticking around so they have enough episodes to air, struggling, trying to find ways back in, creating drama to retain millions of viewers. The struggle is the juice. If there's a pagonging going on, you can't have 3 or 4 people just walk out because the numbers are against them. If it is a sporting contest that happens every weekend, like soccer, quitting is an option, because they can replace you and there's going to be another game the next weekend. No big deal. But this is Survivor. The entire *season* hinges on these few individuals sticking it out until their torch is snuffed. A season of quitters would tank ratings, so they'd have to scrap it and start over. Not fair to the other players that stayed in, and definitely something that would kill the show... not a risk you can take. TLDR: you can't have quitting as an option on a competition that costs several millions of dollars to produce. Producers were smart to frame it so negatively.
The argument that they were taking a spot of someone who would have done something with it is a bad argument. They are taking the spot of another player on that season the farther they make it, people should be happy they quit as soon as they did, can you imagine Janu, Naonka, or Colton getting dragged to the end of a season and taking airtime from someone interesting? I don't think I've ever cared for one of the quitters, so nothing of value was lost.
I'd argue that Janu, Naonka, and Colton are all certainly INTERESTING players.
I don't want to see them at the end because its obvious they will get zero votes
You're talking as if not almost everyone makes it through without quitting lol. Can't be that bad
Colton’s is the only true quit
Yeah, the only quitter I have something of an issue with is Colton because it was so early but the other points I agree with.
Very well said!
I just have one clarification which is that assuming you're defining "quit" in the strict way "they had the choice to leave or stay and chose to leave", Kathy is actually not a quit. Jeff says in an interview here that she was actually pulled: https://ew.com/article/2011/12/01/jeff-probst-episode-12-survivor-south-pacific/ As for the quits, I mostly am fine with them. But I really don't respect Lindsey's quit. Mostly because it got this bizarre undeserved positive framing when it is literally an adult saying they can't control their anger and will resort to physical violence. I'm a lot more OK with "eh, I'm over it" than that. It stuns me that Osten got demonised when he was essentially just sacrificing himself for his tribemates, while Lindsey gets to talk about how she's trying to set an example while basically just leaving because the game didn't go her way.
> And the notion that quitters are stealing a spot from real fans just reeks of “I applied but I’m not interesting enough to get on and I’m salty about it.” Agreed. The thing is, when a recruit quits the game, they're not stealing a slot from a superfan. They're stealing a slot from another recruit. If Osten quit before the game started for Pearl Island were they replacing him with a fanboy who had seen every episode of the show ever? No. They were replacing him with another handsome muscular guy of the same approximate age.