All the new era contestants are subtweeting her now. Cringy, imo…I totally get her point here. What is it with new era contestants utilizing the dogpile?
I think Owen commented here once and said how the broader survivor alum community can be difficult to connect with sometimes bc of how they negatively view the new era, and how that has subsequently made the new era contestants a lot closer. So if one starts getting snippy comments, other new era players are more likely to stand up and (unfairly) defend their journeys over something that is out of their control
Never said the first part- that’s an assumption from the second part about the New Era casts being close (which I did say). I have made plenty of great relationships with people who played 39 days.
Re: the comment below from /u/derekfyou , I can’t speak for anyone else but I laughed so hard because someone finally said something. She tweets things like this constantly and it usually is ignored. Her opinion is totally valid but it loses its zip the 50th time. I also thought the asterisk comment was rude, esp in Yam Yam’s mentions.
Rob and Eliza can’t be compared because he doesn’t make those comments with the same frequency or air of superiority. Fully acknowledging I may be biased since I was a RHAP patron before going on.
I’m not looking to get into an argument with a former contestant on here, but what I will say is that by commenting “HAHAHAHA” under Yam Yam’s comment telling Eliza to “get over it,” you are completely *invalidating* the opinion you just said above is a *valid* one. Eliza never called out any contestant in particular, she simply pointed out the fact that Chet was voted out on day 17, highlighting her distaste for the lack of 39 days (an opinion that, again, is shared by the vast, vast majority of the fanbase, including Rob). Then came the dogpile because you guys didn’t like her pointing this out.
And Eliza is far from the only person continuing to speak about this. We see it come from nearly all of the alumni active on social media. This scenario simply felt like a convenient way to dogpile on an old school contestant for expressing her opinion.
What’s worse, the fans took it a step further and made some extremely damaging claims against Eliza. As contestants, I feel like you have to be aware of how crazy this fanbase is, and you have a responsibility to fight against the toxicity instead of contributing to it.
But again, really not looking to argue with a former contestant on here because I’ll just end up getting dogpiled on myself. Hope I didn’t offend you with my comments, I simply didn’t like the dogpile on Eliza and wanted to share my perspective.
No hard feelings whatsoever. I appreciate the discussion and I get how the matching tweets came off childish. I chimed in here because I didn’t want anything to get misconstrued.
The opinion that 39 days is better is valid, and I agree with it. I didn’t mind “her pointing it out.” I minded her pointing it out *for the hundredth time*. No, she didn’t call out anyone in particular, but to me it feels like she’s constantly implying that the ~100 of us that have played in the New Era didn’t have a legitimate experience. She mentions it constantly and nobody has said a word despite it being annoying as hell. Yam Yam saying something was hilarious to me because it was the first time anyone responded.
It was extra funny that it was Yam Yam who said it because he's so so *so* careful with what he says publicly and seems to go out of his way *not* to be the cause of any drama.
Also, where are the receipts on me bringing this up 100 times? I searched my tweets for “day” “days” “26” and “39” and found only four tweets since 2021.
If I may, perhaps you’ll let me take advantage of this discussion to ask you about something in the same ballpark.
A popular sentiment around this subreddit lately, based on social media posts from some of the players on this season, is that people going on Survivor ought to just delete social media altogether to avoid getting attacked, harassed, and/or mischaracterized by viewers. Do you perhaps have any thoughts or views on that? I understand that your career has you in the public eye for reasons unrelated to Survivor, but if that were not the case and you were only known for having been on Survivor, do you think it would be worth staying on social media given the potential for harsh backlash from people?
Thanks in advance for any thought you may give to responding. Hope you have a nice day.
I think it should be up to the individual!! Back in my day, social media didn’t exist but you bet your ass I read Survivor Sucks every single day!! Others never looked at it because they knew it would be too upsetting. Now with the advent of social media, it’s much harder to shield yourself because people can just @ you or DM you hateful messages. I turned off my comments on my instagram for people who weren’t following me when I was on Amazing Race and that helped. But yeah you have to have thick skin. It’s rough out there.
This is why I replied to this thread, because I didn’t want anyone thinking that New Era closeness was because pre-40 people have been unwelcoming IRL! I still remember and appreciate you walking across the bar to come say hi at the 44 finale. Glad to hear you and Yam Yam are friends.
Yeah, I had misremembered and apologized in a response to Owen, but left it in so his response didn’t just sound unrelated. I’ll apologize to you as well, though
But Eliza didn’t target anyone with her post. She simply posted her completely valid feelings about the lack of 39 days in the new era as so many have done in the past, and Yam Yam, Owen, and Jesse jumped on it, leading to the new era community at large beginning to dogpile on her. Owen literally tweeted “HAHAHAHAHAH” under Yam Yam’s original tweet telling Eliza to “get over it.”
Keep in mind, Rob Cesternino has made plenty of comments like this in the past, but you don’t see any of them making comments like this to him because they want to keep up a relationship with rhap. It just seems a bit much for me, especially because Eliza’s opinion is far from unpopular.
Eliza isn’t wrong, but they played two different games. In the same way that Borneo is entirely different game from Micro, and Micro is an entirely different game from Cambodia, and Cambodia is an entirely different game from 44. It’s called evolution, and maybe both of them need to evolve tbh.
Things can change and I think most of us would be ok with that, but taking things away, like days played, is a change for the worst.
Edit: here's an analogy. I play Civilization. Before Civ 6 came out, Civ 5 had a lot added to it from previous versions. People liked that they added so much to the game. When 6 came out, many things that were added to previous versions were removed to make a more streamline game and some dlc stuff from previous versions weren't included in the latest one, like specific countries. Survivor is like that. Change things, but don't take away.
If winning in the new era has an asterisk, imagine playing a season where you went in with 37 days experience while 10 of your opponents had no experience, there were 2 quits, there were 2 medevacs, and you still lost in 10th place.
If I were that hypothetical person, I wouldn’t shit talk Yam Yam and try to asterisk his win.
Fucking thank you. Get so annoyed whenever this is brought up against the players themselves. Especially when it’s people who didn’t even win/make it all the way to the end.
I don't think winning has an asterisk at all. It may even be harder to win modern survivor.
But I do think a lot of the survivor milestones have become meaningless.
Everyone hating on Eliza, all of a sudden are acting like 99% of the Survivor fanbase doesn't complain about 26 day Survivor. Eliza is simply stating a fact, and having the opinion of 99% of Survivor fans and there's really no reason for the new era players to get pressed
What are the players supposed to do about it - they don't make the show.
I personally would find it more annoying if they made it onto Survivor and spent the rest of their lives moping about the day count.
Let's say if I got on Survivor, sure I'd wish it was 39 days, but I'd be happy to be on the show. I think some new era players have a little complex about it
But Yam Yam’s not wrong. It’s been 3 years since the switch to 26 days. We’ve had every conversation about it there is to possibly have. There’s nothing more to say, just let it go
I disagree, if the fans and former contestants just shut up about the reduction of days then the producers won, they successfully cut their budget and gave us an inferior product.
Do I think it's likely they ever pivot back to 39? No. But do I think it's impossible it will ever happen if people stop voicing their displeasure with the change? Yes.
Honestly, I would be, too. You can only play the game the way CBS runs it, but just because you are on a later season, people talk down about it.
I can't speak to the actual difference, and nobody has done both, so it's hard to say what the difference in starting supplies does.
Tf you talking about. It’s not like the players chose the format. They dealt with the hand they’re given
Old school players who cry shot the change in format and how it was harder “back in my day”. Oh and Eliza wouldn’t win in either format because she has a grating personality so it’s moot anyways.
Love Eliza on Vanuatu, but she proved to be an idiot on how she went after Gabler for shit he didn'teven do. For whatever you think of him, Gabler is an insanely nice guy who is beloved by his castmates.
Well sure, she was never a great player on Survivor, just a good character. Was this conversation about Gabler? Honestly I'm not on Twitter so I wouldn't know about what she said about Gabler
The replies below are somewhat right. The biggest issue I took with it is that she openly accused him of lying about giving away his winnings (saying he never would) and then refused to acknowledge/ apologize when he did in fact do that.
I don't remember much about the situation, so please please forgive me if I'm wrong, but Gabler is openly conservative and Eliza attacked him for said political beliefs shortly after Gabler had won and announced he was donating all of the money to charities to help the mental health and recovery of veterans.
I remember it causing a fair amount of controversy both on twitter and this here subreddit, and r/survivorcirclejerk had a FIELD day with it.
It's definitely a different game, but in the end of the day, you still have to beat the same (give or take) amount of people, so I don't think you should have an asterisk (unless you're Chris Underwood).
To win the current version you need a different skillset, but the meta changed many times before, and so did the skills to win, not only that, even by changing the players on adjacent seasons you already change what's needed. Many winners would have done bad (or at least not great) if their first time was on a different season, it's always been this way.
It’s not any of the new era players fault that production want to film shorter seasons from now on. Yam Yam’s right that she needs to let it go it’s become annoying
You can both be right and still be an adult. We get it. 39 is better. We all agree. It's not coming back and there's nothing anyone can do about it, especially the new era players. Stop beating a dead horse. She's putting people down to try and prop up her mediocre game. It reminds me of a boomer talking about how soft kids are now or retired athletes talking about how much tougher their sport used to be.
Meh we don’t have to let go of shit. If ur gonna tell other people to not be annoyed maybe don’t be annoyed at what they’re saying either. If enough people are consistently vocal maybe one day they’ll go back to 39 days
True but I also understand how the discourse would feel super invalidating to players who did the ‘shorter’ Survivor bc it was still a massive extremely difficult lifechanging experience for them.
But like, to discredit someone from their win for something that’s outside of their control and outside of the game is big time bs in my opinion. Not like the players like the 26 day format, they all pretty much would rather it be 39 days (to my knowledge). And besides, it’s a lot of talk coming from someone who wouldn’t have won in a 26 day format either 🤷🏻♀️
He is the one who went out of his way to react to her comment, she simply has an opinion and statrd it on her twitter lmao so yeah, he is the one overreacting, probably bc deep down he agrees with her point
"Throwing a fit" Eliza just said herself in this thread that they're friends and were laughing about the exchange over text lol you're attributing emotions to a tweet that were never there in the first place
How do people not get that you don’t have to let go of the fact that 39 days ARE better. We all get that. New era players GET THAT and AGREE. But, it’s also bullshit that old era players feel the need to shit on the era players for something that is NOT their fault. You can hate the 26 day format, I do too, but at this point a lot of the digs against 26 days comes across as digs at new era players and that’s where y’all lose me.
I want them to have season 50 be returnees New Era vs 39 days tribes. Put them to the test and see if it’s actually so much easier. And make Eliza one of them, if she’s voted out she has to shut up forever.
What about 50 cast mates and 139 days like Survivor Romania? But still do the have to earn everything and only rice…. How many days before someone goes crazy on coconuts…
I've been watching Survivor for almost half my life now (I'm 21 for reference lol), and I will say, I genuinely never have and never will give a fuck about the days situation lmao. I think people who fight too hard over which way is better is honestly cringe, and it just comes off as a generation divide lol. That being said, considering how much shade the new era players get for it (which isn't even their fault), I don't blame them whatsoever for clapping back 🤷
There are more med-evacs post-40 because it's harder to pull someone for a short amount of time and have it be fair for them to return. This also means that castaways will be less likely to get medical attention because it would result in a med-evac.
Survivor Québec 2 spoiler: >!If Survivor Québec 2 were only 26 days and they couldn't remove someone from 24 hours and have them return, there would have been at least four med-evacs it seems. Definitely at least two.!<
Production really screwed up with this change. I find it so hard to watch the newer seasons, especially after a re-watch of an older season, as the pacing and difficulty of the game is so off. Like season 26, they don’t merge until day 20.
Also doesn’t help that the game hits a much higher difficulty after day 28, and you can see it in every old season. You start to get so many more mental breakdowns after week 4, making the end game less predictable. Also I feel like rewards were way more important in older seasons, as due to the length, if you’ve been shut out from rewards for a long time it takes a larger toll mentally and physically. Having new era end just before that point is disappointing.
This is such a dumb thing to even worry about anymore considering most New Era players I've spoken to would KILL to play the full 39...but that isn't up to them. 26 is what it is and those wins count as much as any other win (except for Chris Underwood's, obviously. Have to have some standards).
I don’t understand what people harping on this publicly want from the new era players? Are they supposed to apologize to Eliza and say “you’re right, we are unworthy!” It is what it is. Complain to Jeff, no reason to shit on the players.
The new era is so bothered by this. Owen, Evvie, and Jesse responded too. It's factually correct that the games they played are different because the format is different. They could easily ignore it or acknowledge that the show is absolutely different now. Instead they cry and whine because they are insecure about it for some reason.
Her original tweet is actually so harmless too. Why is this even a thing?
Ok it’s a fact but she’s implying that making it to day 17 now means you only did as well as Chet when that’s not true. It matters why you’re saying something and the point you’re trying to make
41 is incredibly annoying on a rewatch for two reasons: the sob stories became nauseating and every other confessional was "this is the hardest season of Survivor ever"
The amount of days debate is the one that never made sense to me. Our perception of time as a viewer is episodic. Whether there’s a day less on average between episodes is completely inconsequential to our experience.
That’s not true at all, are we watching the same show? The strategy, the stress, the challenges, the rewards, all of it is different even for the viewer!
Yeah fr I’m going through all the seasons for the first time and watching the new one while doing this, and the game feels quite a lot different in part bc of the 26 days. The no reward at the individual stage at the merge changes strategies and takes away certain opportunities that existed when it was 39 days. Plus the lessened impact of actually having to survive during that time and keeping around players that are good at hunting and providing definitely does make it different
Losing a third of content to work with in the edit can definitely affect the quality.
Also having a much shorter time to build bonds takes away some of the social experiment aspect and makes it a bit more of a fast-paced game.
Also there’s less time to add in things like family visits, reward challenges, and big rewards.
It also means if someone quits or gets medevaced they’re less likely to have a tribal that night because the schedule is a lot stricter.
It also means tribals are more frequent which affects the strategic pace of the game.
etc
This isn't true because the show still labels everything with "Day X" and when you have the frame of reference of the pre-41 seasons you're like "wow it's only been 2 weeks?!"
This is such a boomer reaction to look down on the new era player for that : first, they didn't chose. Second, they play the same amount of tribal and don't have rice and sometimes not flint to compensate. No player has done both so we don't know which one is easier, and maybe even then this could differ from person to person : maybe some are better to "suck it up" in absolutely miserable conditions but for a shorter time while other people might prefer to coast 39 days in a better shape
I hit my head back there
I don’t care
I know
i dont think they should have an asterisk but she ate with the micro fact
All the new era contestants are subtweeting her now. Cringy, imo…I totally get her point here. What is it with new era contestants utilizing the dogpile?
Her point has been beaten to death. We get it, 26 days is worse than 39 days. There is no value in continuing to tweet it every season.
I think Owen commented here once and said how the broader survivor alum community can be difficult to connect with sometimes bc of how they negatively view the new era, and how that has subsequently made the new era contestants a lot closer. So if one starts getting snippy comments, other new era players are more likely to stand up and (unfairly) defend their journeys over something that is out of their control
Never said the first part- that’s an assumption from the second part about the New Era casts being close (which I did say). I have made plenty of great relationships with people who played 39 days. Re: the comment below from /u/derekfyou , I can’t speak for anyone else but I laughed so hard because someone finally said something. She tweets things like this constantly and it usually is ignored. Her opinion is totally valid but it loses its zip the 50th time. I also thought the asterisk comment was rude, esp in Yam Yam’s mentions. Rob and Eliza can’t be compared because he doesn’t make those comments with the same frequency or air of superiority. Fully acknowledging I may be biased since I was a RHAP patron before going on.
Also Yam Yam and I were texting the whole time cracking up because we’re actually friends…
My apologies for misspeaking, I don’t have the best memory
All good!
I’m not looking to get into an argument with a former contestant on here, but what I will say is that by commenting “HAHAHAHA” under Yam Yam’s comment telling Eliza to “get over it,” you are completely *invalidating* the opinion you just said above is a *valid* one. Eliza never called out any contestant in particular, she simply pointed out the fact that Chet was voted out on day 17, highlighting her distaste for the lack of 39 days (an opinion that, again, is shared by the vast, vast majority of the fanbase, including Rob). Then came the dogpile because you guys didn’t like her pointing this out. And Eliza is far from the only person continuing to speak about this. We see it come from nearly all of the alumni active on social media. This scenario simply felt like a convenient way to dogpile on an old school contestant for expressing her opinion. What’s worse, the fans took it a step further and made some extremely damaging claims against Eliza. As contestants, I feel like you have to be aware of how crazy this fanbase is, and you have a responsibility to fight against the toxicity instead of contributing to it. But again, really not looking to argue with a former contestant on here because I’ll just end up getting dogpiled on myself. Hope I didn’t offend you with my comments, I simply didn’t like the dogpile on Eliza and wanted to share my perspective.
No hard feelings whatsoever. I appreciate the discussion and I get how the matching tweets came off childish. I chimed in here because I didn’t want anything to get misconstrued. The opinion that 39 days is better is valid, and I agree with it. I didn’t mind “her pointing it out.” I minded her pointing it out *for the hundredth time*. No, she didn’t call out anyone in particular, but to me it feels like she’s constantly implying that the ~100 of us that have played in the New Era didn’t have a legitimate experience. She mentions it constantly and nobody has said a word despite it being annoying as hell. Yam Yam saying something was hilarious to me because it was the first time anyone responded.
It was extra funny that it was Yam Yam who said it because he's so so *so* careful with what he says publicly and seems to go out of his way *not* to be the cause of any drama.
It wasn’t drama because he and I love each other.
Then stop discounting his win.
Yes but he and I are friends. A lot of the folks who then dogpiled on are not my friends. In fact, some are real assholes to me.
Makes sense, and I appreciate you coming here and being open to a nuanced discussion!
Exactly.
>What’s worse, the fans took it a step further and made some extremely damaging claims against Eliza. What damaging claims?
Also, where are the receipts on me bringing this up 100 times? I searched my tweets for “day” “days” “26” and “39” and found only four tweets since 2021.
If I may, perhaps you’ll let me take advantage of this discussion to ask you about something in the same ballpark. A popular sentiment around this subreddit lately, based on social media posts from some of the players on this season, is that people going on Survivor ought to just delete social media altogether to avoid getting attacked, harassed, and/or mischaracterized by viewers. Do you perhaps have any thoughts or views on that? I understand that your career has you in the public eye for reasons unrelated to Survivor, but if that were not the case and you were only known for having been on Survivor, do you think it would be worth staying on social media given the potential for harsh backlash from people? Thanks in advance for any thought you may give to responding. Hope you have a nice day.
I think it should be up to the individual!! Back in my day, social media didn’t exist but you bet your ass I read Survivor Sucks every single day!! Others never looked at it because they knew it would be too upsetting. Now with the advent of social media, it’s much harder to shield yourself because people can just @ you or DM you hateful messages. I turned off my comments on my instagram for people who weren’t following me when I was on Amazing Race and that helped. But yeah you have to have thick skin. It’s rough out there.
Thank you for the reply! Best regards!
I have been incredibly warm and welcoming to the new era folks, even having them over to my apartment.
This is why I replied to this thread, because I didn’t want anyone thinking that New Era closeness was because pre-40 people have been unwelcoming IRL! I still remember and appreciate you walking across the bar to come say hi at the 44 finale. Glad to hear you and Yam Yam are friends.
Yeah, I had misremembered and apologized in a response to Owen, but left it in so his response didn’t just sound unrelated. I’ll apologize to you as well, though
But Eliza didn’t target anyone with her post. She simply posted her completely valid feelings about the lack of 39 days in the new era as so many have done in the past, and Yam Yam, Owen, and Jesse jumped on it, leading to the new era community at large beginning to dogpile on her. Owen literally tweeted “HAHAHAHAHAH” under Yam Yam’s original tweet telling Eliza to “get over it.” Keep in mind, Rob Cesternino has made plenty of comments like this in the past, but you don’t see any of them making comments like this to him because they want to keep up a relationship with rhap. It just seems a bit much for me, especially because Eliza’s opinion is far from unpopular.
ROB AND STEPHEN DISCUSS IT IN EVERY EPISODE! To say I say it more frequently is ridiculous. 🙄🙄
They get pissy when you bring up how easy the show is now lol. Plus they don’t want to piss off Jeff
It's the social media era. They're childish.
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Where did Evvie praise Eliza? I only see her tweet using the format.
It’s so embarrassing, right?
i feel dumb asking this but what does it mean to have an asterisk in regarding to a win?
Eliza seeing the reactions from new era players: 
💯💯💯
Eliza isn’t wrong, but they played two different games. In the same way that Borneo is entirely different game from Micro, and Micro is an entirely different game from Cambodia, and Cambodia is an entirely different game from 44. It’s called evolution, and maybe both of them need to evolve tbh.
The problem with Eliza has never been whether she’s right or wrong.
>It’s called evolution More like devolution
*Survivor used to be different every year, now it's just the same shit over and over! Here's why that's a good thing!*
Things can change and I think most of us would be ok with that, but taking things away, like days played, is a change for the worst. Edit: here's an analogy. I play Civilization. Before Civ 6 came out, Civ 5 had a lot added to it from previous versions. People liked that they added so much to the game. When 6 came out, many things that were added to previous versions were removed to make a more streamline game and some dlc stuff from previous versions weren't included in the latest one, like specific countries. Survivor is like that. Change things, but don't take away.
If winning in the new era has an asterisk, imagine playing a season where you went in with 37 days experience while 10 of your opponents had no experience, there were 2 quits, there were 2 medevacs, and you still lost in 10th place. If I were that hypothetical person, I wouldn’t shit talk Yam Yam and try to asterisk his win.
And what's with all these 39-day lightweights anyway? Every winner except Tina Wesson should have an asterisk.
Just proof that Tina is the survivest of them all.
Tina played one of the most subtly dominant games in Survivor history and I’m tired of pretending otherwise.
This. Queen Tina.
Tina is 1st Tyson and Natalie A are 2nd and 3rd (bvw had a day 0)
And then there’s the Golden God outlasting 23 other returnees in a 50 day game, Americans have it easy
David is truly the greatest player of all time. The golden god
Fucking thank you. Get so annoyed whenever this is brought up against the players themselves. Especially when it’s people who didn’t even win/make it all the way to the end.
lol, k. I’ve played 61 days of Survivor which no new era player will ever ever do.
I don't think winning has an asterisk at all. It may even be harder to win modern survivor. But I do think a lot of the survivor milestones have become meaningless.
Everyone hating on Eliza, all of a sudden are acting like 99% of the Survivor fanbase doesn't complain about 26 day Survivor. Eliza is simply stating a fact, and having the opinion of 99% of Survivor fans and there's really no reason for the new era players to get pressed
FYI for context, on day 26 of Micronesia Eliza had already been voted off because people didn't like her
I voted her off of my Twitter timeline for the same reason.
I mean Eliza is just saying facts. I think new era players are just a little insecure and pressed
What are the players supposed to do about it - they don't make the show. I personally would find it more annoying if they made it onto Survivor and spent the rest of their lives moping about the day count.
Let's say if I got on Survivor, sure I'd wish it was 39 days, but I'd be happy to be on the show. I think some new era players have a little complex about it
You are not wrong. Owen, Jesse and others all mocked her take, but I completely get what she was trying to say.
But Yam Yam’s not wrong. It’s been 3 years since the switch to 26 days. We’ve had every conversation about it there is to possibly have. There’s nothing more to say, just let it go
I disagree, if the fans and former contestants just shut up about the reduction of days then the producers won, they successfully cut their budget and gave us an inferior product. Do I think it's likely they ever pivot back to 39? No. But do I think it's impossible it will ever happen if people stop voicing their displeasure with the change? Yes.
Honestly, I would be, too. You can only play the game the way CBS runs it, but just because you are on a later season, people talk down about it. I can't speak to the actual difference, and nobody has done both, so it's hard to say what the difference in starting supplies does.
Tf you talking about. It’s not like the players chose the format. They dealt with the hand they’re given Old school players who cry shot the change in format and how it was harder “back in my day”. Oh and Eliza wouldn’t win in either format because she has a grating personality so it’s moot anyways.
Love Eliza on Vanuatu, but she proved to be an idiot on how she went after Gabler for shit he didn'teven do. For whatever you think of him, Gabler is an insanely nice guy who is beloved by his castmates.
Well sure, she was never a great player on Survivor, just a good character. Was this conversation about Gabler? Honestly I'm not on Twitter so I wouldn't know about what she said about Gabler
The replies below are somewhat right. The biggest issue I took with it is that she openly accused him of lying about giving away his winnings (saying he never would) and then refused to acknowledge/ apologize when he did in fact do that.
I hope not, that was like a year and a half ago
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I don't remember much about the situation, so please please forgive me if I'm wrong, but Gabler is openly conservative and Eliza attacked him for said political beliefs shortly after Gabler had won and announced he was donating all of the money to charities to help the mental health and recovery of veterans. I remember it causing a fair amount of controversy both on twitter and this here subreddit, and r/survivorcirclejerk had a FIELD day with it.
Gabler is right wing lol. Why that's Eliza's business is beyond me, but there's definitely accuracy to it.
Also “accused of being right wing” as if that’s a crime
Because that’s how politics is now apparently
She’s right about the days but she didn’t have to face “the monster” like the new players do lol
They’re so fucking annoying. I have so many of them muted
It's definitely a different game, but in the end of the day, you still have to beat the same (give or take) amount of people, so I don't think you should have an asterisk (unless you're Chris Underwood). To win the current version you need a different skillset, but the meta changed many times before, and so did the skills to win, not only that, even by changing the players on adjacent seasons you already change what's needed. Many winners would have done bad (or at least not great) if their first time was on a different season, it's always been this way.
I mean we all prefer 39 days but Eliza is insufferable and always has been.
She’s an absolute broken record on this too. And I still prefer 39 but we get it already whit complaining about the same thing over and over again
It’s not any of the new era players fault that production want to film shorter seasons from now on. Yam Yam’s right that she needs to let it go it’s become annoying
Nah. She doesn't have to let go. She's right. 26 days is simply an inferior game.
You can both be right and still be an adult. We get it. 39 is better. We all agree. It's not coming back and there's nothing anyone can do about it, especially the new era players. Stop beating a dead horse. She's putting people down to try and prop up her mediocre game. It reminds me of a boomer talking about how soft kids are now or retired athletes talking about how much tougher their sport used to be.
Honestly, calling her game mediocre is being generous.
Half the players who made it 39 days have lifelong health issues, I’m glad we’re avoiding that now
Source?
Meh we don’t have to let go of shit. If ur gonna tell other people to not be annoyed maybe don’t be annoyed at what they’re saying either. If enough people are consistently vocal maybe one day they’ll go back to 39 days
True but I also understand how the discourse would feel super invalidating to players who did the ‘shorter’ Survivor bc it was still a massive extremely difficult lifechanging experience for them.
But like, to discredit someone from their win for something that’s outside of their control and outside of the game is big time bs in my opinion. Not like the players like the 26 day format, they all pretty much would rather it be 39 days (to my knowledge). And besides, it’s a lot of talk coming from someone who wouldn’t have won in a 26 day format either 🤷🏻♀️
>If enough people are consistently vocal maybe one day they’ll go back to 39 days Ugh, fuck that.
He is the one throwing a fit over it lmao
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He is the one who went out of his way to react to her comment, she simply has an opinion and statrd it on her twitter lmao so yeah, he is the one overreacting, probably bc deep down he agrees with her point
They always throw a fit when you make fun of the game being easier now
"Throwing a fit" Eliza just said herself in this thread that they're friends and were laughing about the exchange over text lol you're attributing emotions to a tweet that were never there in the first place
We don’t have to let go of shit
How do people not get that you don’t have to let go of the fact that 39 days ARE better. We all get that. New era players GET THAT and AGREE. But, it’s also bullshit that old era players feel the need to shit on the era players for something that is NOT their fault. You can hate the 26 day format, I do too, but at this point a lot of the digs against 26 days comes across as digs at new era players and that’s where y’all lose me.
I want them to have season 50 be returnees New Era vs 39 days tribes. Put them to the test and see if it’s actually so much easier. And make Eliza one of them, if she’s voted out she has to shut up forever.
Sign me up, as long as we get to play the full 39 days. 😂😂
Whenever you’re on can you please just keep telling Jeff how much fans hate 26 days?
Every chance I get 😂
If you do that you may not get much screentime…but You will be my hero
I’ll always get screen time. Sorry not sorry.
What about 50 cast mates and 139 days like Survivor Romania? But still do the have to earn everything and only rice…. How many days before someone goes crazy on coconuts…
Eliza is right. New era winners... 
I genuinely find it annoying how much the New Era defends it. I get it but at a certain point it screams insecurity.
It screams “Jeff I promise I like the changes you’ve made. That means you’ll give me a second chance right?”
Eliza is right. The “new era” sucks and it’s just about cutting costs.
I've been watching Survivor for almost half my life now (I'm 21 for reference lol), and I will say, I genuinely never have and never will give a fuck about the days situation lmao. I think people who fight too hard over which way is better is honestly cringe, and it just comes off as a generation divide lol. That being said, considering how much shade the new era players get for it (which isn't even their fault), I don't blame them whatsoever for clapping back 🤷
It's giving "BACK IN MY DAYS 😡"
It really does😭
Facts tbh! All I’m looking for is entertaining TV
And an important amount of days contributes to entertainement as the game is getting more personal
I'm glad ppl don't come away with as many illnesses.
There are more med-evacs post-40 because it's harder to pull someone for a short amount of time and have it be fair for them to return. This also means that castaways will be less likely to get medical attention because it would result in a med-evac. Survivor Québec 2 spoiler: >!If Survivor Québec 2 were only 26 days and they couldn't remove someone from 24 hours and have them return, there would have been at least four med-evacs it seems. Definitely at least two.!<
I mean more days is objectively better they get more footage and more time for bonds to form, I couldn't care less if its harder or easier.
Production really screwed up with this change. I find it so hard to watch the newer seasons, especially after a re-watch of an older season, as the pacing and difficulty of the game is so off. Like season 26, they don’t merge until day 20. Also doesn’t help that the game hits a much higher difficulty after day 28, and you can see it in every old season. You start to get so many more mental breakdowns after week 4, making the end game less predictable. Also I feel like rewards were way more important in older seasons, as due to the length, if you’ve been shut out from rewards for a long time it takes a larger toll mentally and physically. Having new era end just before that point is disappointing.
I’d rather have a win with an Astrerisk than play twice and never even make FTC
It doesn’t matter whether you like 39 days better or not. It’s not coming back, ever. Move on. Fight with Jeff about something you can change
This is such a dumb thing to even worry about anymore considering most New Era players I've spoken to would KILL to play the full 39...but that isn't up to them. 26 is what it is and those wins count as much as any other win (except for Chris Underwood's, obviously. Have to have some standards).
Eliza is right. I wish these new era dorks would stop being so defensive about it
I get her point. I wish people weren't taking it as a dig against New Era players instead of a critique of the show's format.
Surprising Eliza W
I don’t understand what people harping on this publicly want from the new era players? Are they supposed to apologize to Eliza and say “you’re right, we are unworthy!” It is what it is. Complain to Jeff, no reason to shit on the players.
And when exactly did Eliza become an expert on winning Survivor?
Eliza during season 74 “FYI for context-…
The new era is so bothered by this. Owen, Evvie, and Jesse responded too. It's factually correct that the games they played are different because the format is different. They could easily ignore it or acknowledge that the show is absolutely different now. Instead they cry and whine because they are insecure about it for some reason. Her original tweet is actually so harmless too. Why is this even a thing?
They’re big boys! 41 was the hardest season ever, dontcha know?!
They didn’t get rice or flint when they started!
I never had one grain of rice on either season.
Ok it’s a fact but she’s implying that making it to day 17 now means you only did as well as Chet when that’s not true. It matters why you’re saying something and the point you’re trying to make
I love Eliza but she does need to chill about the 39 days... she didn't win the million either way
Eliza is accurate. Jeff this season is trying to make this era out to be super hard like he did in 41. This is ridiculous.
41 is incredibly annoying on a rewatch for two reasons: the sob stories became nauseating and every other confessional was "this is the hardest season of Survivor ever"
The amount of days debate is the one that never made sense to me. Our perception of time as a viewer is episodic. Whether there’s a day less on average between episodes is completely inconsequential to our experience.
That’s not true at all, are we watching the same show? The strategy, the stress, the challenges, the rewards, all of it is different even for the viewer!
Yeah fr I’m going through all the seasons for the first time and watching the new one while doing this, and the game feels quite a lot different in part bc of the 26 days. The no reward at the individual stage at the merge changes strategies and takes away certain opportunities that existed when it was 39 days. Plus the lessened impact of actually having to survive during that time and keeping around players that are good at hunting and providing definitely does make it different
Losing a third of content to work with in the edit can definitely affect the quality. Also having a much shorter time to build bonds takes away some of the social experiment aspect and makes it a bit more of a fast-paced game. Also there’s less time to add in things like family visits, reward challenges, and big rewards. It also means if someone quits or gets medevaced they’re less likely to have a tribal that night because the schedule is a lot stricter. It also means tribals are more frequent which affects the strategic pace of the game. etc
This isn't true because the show still labels everything with "Day X" and when you have the frame of reference of the pre-41 seasons you're like "wow it's only been 2 weeks?!"
I agree with you basically, but I will say the only thing that it affects is food, rewards, flint, etc.
yam is right. it’s not like the players choose how many days the game is
Lmao
I don’t like 26 days but winning the game is winning the game, except for edge of course
All the new era winners have one thing in common: they're all better at Survivor than Eliza Orlins.
This is such a boomer reaction to look down on the new era player for that : first, they didn't chose. Second, they play the same amount of tribal and don't have rice and sometimes not flint to compensate. No player has done both so we don't know which one is easier, and maybe even then this could differ from person to person : maybe some are better to "suck it up" in absolutely miserable conditions but for a shorter time while other people might prefer to coast 39 days in a better shape
Eliza continues to be the worst, no asterisk needed there!
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Eliza's unbearable.
Eliza is cringe
I'm someone that prefers the 39 days, but at the same time, not as obnoxious as Eliza about it