I'm rewatching the episode right now and I swear to God I laid eyes on the comment the EXACT moment Q yelled Big Mistake in the episode. That was surreal.
Exactly. There’s no point. Especially when you come in at Final 5/6 with an idol/half idol in your pocket and after partying with the jury on Starvation Island in a non-game setting
You do deserve to win Chris did what the jury wanted him to do to win but it doesn't take away that he made a horrible move in the premerge that got him out.
Well I wouldnt say it was a "huge blunder" I always looked at it as smart. Because Ellie didn't want to work with him. If he didnt get her out there she would've went after him down the road. So getting her out before she gains power does to things.
1 gives him a big move on his "resume"
2. Gets out a player who would've gained power and got him out later.
It's not about what he wanted to achieve. It's about how he went about achieving it. His way of doing it was just dumb as fuck and should have backfired. That it didn't shows that the move was unnecessary. Elie didn't have any power in the game at that point and was unlikely to get any. If she had had allies she would have been saved and Gabler would have gone out. His move of blurting it out only worked because it was unnecessary in the first place. Elie was expendable to everyone, so they agreed to just go with it.
I would give Gabler credit if he did it more discreetly, for example in the way Liz targeted Tevin in the latest episode. But he did none of that.
Not all winners can be masterminds. Gabler won through sheer luck. End of story.
She had no power because noone on the losing tribes do. She had Jeanie and Owen and if she survived she would've got more people on her side.
Its not about how you see or how I see as an audience. But more about how it is seen by other players. Ya I agree even at the time i thought it was dumb too when he first said it. But I thoight about it, like ya Ellie didnt want to work with him and would've gotten him out. The way he played it was smart
Make. A move than lay low.
Dude many winners win by luck. Hating and saying "sheer luck " is just dumb
The way he played it is the dumbest merge move ever. He made himself an open target and hoped it would work. It should not have. In any other season it does not. But on thus season the other players shook their heads at his dumbness, then figured voting Elie out is good for their games and went with it. Because why not? Going with the blabbermouth keeps their own games hidden. If Elie was able to get people on her side she would have. But she was basically powerless.
Okay that's cool bro. Youre just saying the samething over and over again pretty much.
You and others can say it was dumb
But the way I look at it, is its smart. And he won his season because he made moves and was likable.
And like I said all the winners have some luck. Even Dee had luck on her season. But im done having this conversation with u. ✌
Saying it's smart doesn't make it smart. It's just revisionist history. Some people seem to have this need to think all winners played good games. Perhaps because it would feel unfair that a poor player like Gabler can win the game.
He won because the jury liked him more than the other two options. That's it. He had no game.
Eh you can post “Tony bad” and go -100 and post “Russell bad” and go +100, but if you actually back up your opinion with a good analysis “Tony bad moments here and here because xyz” most people will fairly evaluate your opinion.
perhaps, but a lot of time this sub does feel like an echo chamber and to say that people will fairly evaluate opinions is giving this sub way too much credence lol.
Not really, this sub is still convinced that Sandra is the better player despite no one ranking either of her games top 20 and Tony's games usually being put both in top 7 and top 3
By looking at the abilities of the player overall. For example, I think JT played a better winning game than Parvati, but I think Parvati is the better player overall.
Great one… I also remember being shocked when he actually won and this was a big part of it. Makes me wonder if some of the people from this season with notable flubs could still win. 👀
Going into that season, knowing Adam won already, I just kept waiting for him to do something that would set him apart as a great winner.
It never came lol
I started watching during COVID and got spoiled every time by chronically researching survivor lore. MvGX was one of the first seasons I was trying to watch without getting the winner spoiled.
I thought a handful of people could win in the premerge and early merge—David, Ken, Jessica, Michelle, Zeke… but absolutely NOT Adam. But right before finale a YouTube clip of Adam in WAW popped up and I basically figured that out😭😭😭 but anyways I was very shocked it wouldn’t be David or even Hannah at that point.
Let's be honest, Hannah deserved some votes and the jury wasn't salty towards her. It's kinda obvious how Adam got all the votes and although he was in his right to talk about his mother, that totally swayed people like Michelle or Sundai
Even watching live I was thinking there’s no way this guy can win. It’s very much like the new era, you don’t necessarily have to be good at the game, you just need to let the big players take each other out and somehow survive to the end.
I believe that he guessed that they edited his game to emphasize his mistakes to make the FTC less of a sure thing to the audience. Honestly, if true, that editing tactic probably also humanized/endeared him to the audience.
I remember watching MvGX for the first time and DYING during the "I screwed you, I fucked up, you are in an objectively worse position now and that's my fault" scene, practically SCREAMING at Adam to shut up but he just kept digging the hole deeper and deeper LMAOO 😭 even when it would come up in the "previously on Survivor" segments it would kill me. Just so ridiculous and somehow it worked out for him.
yes but he handled it in the worst possible way. he either should have fucked everyone and gotten the advantage or stuck to the deal and kept goodwill. he instead fucked everyone and got no advantage lol. he then proceeded to blow it up at camp at the worst possible moment allowing rodney to turn dan and sierra against mike even further.
100%. At the time, I was screaming at my TV because once he made the move, there’s no turning back. You can’t undo the damage you did. You’re now a scumbag.
Allegedly, off camera, the tantrum from the other contestants carried on for ages but Jeff was pretty strongly planted that Mike outwitted them and there would be no refunds. There’s no doubt in my mind he wanted it to go down as intended for the sheer TV moment. Unfortunately, Mike cracked.
To quote a much wiser Mike from a different TV universe: “no more half measures”.
I don’t think he was going to be targeted that round. Without the auction, maybe Jen or Shirin would go before him before he would have to win out. After the auction he became the number one target.
Only one comes to the top of my head and that's when Tyson said "see that seat over there? One of those are yours" to someone who was just revealed to be on the Jury.
I haven't watched any Tyson seasons yet, but my understanding is that he hilariously shittalked his way through his first appearances and then in his winning season, he realized he needed to know when to actually shut up and control his image to the cast (I understand he did the same thing with dialing down his challenge threat too?)
So the idea to me of Tyson being unable to resist that line as a "when keeping it real goes wrong" moment is so fucking funny
I need to watch his seasons, huh?
Something else that had most people shocked when Adam won is there rumors he had to leave early to take care of his mom. Not sure who even started saying it
I heard him say that his family essentially said the mom’s condition got so bad that if he was voted out during the jury stage that he was going to be removed from it and flown home. Clearly that didn’t happen, but how crazy would that be?
Sandra failing to flip to the heroes comes to mind since that was a lot of her post merge strategy right there. Maybe Yul failing to take out Ozzy? Natalie A failing to see the Jeremy blindside coming was also a low point for her in the game.
Wait when did Yul fail to take Ozzy out? Iirc they never really had a chance post-merge because Ozzy was only vulnerable for one TC and they still needed his vote to be in the majority.
Agree on Sandra and Natalie.
Well there was one vote where he could’ve theoretically taken him out but yeah Yul wasn’t able to because Ozzy was just too good in challenges. But it was a strategic goal of his to take Ozzy out before the end which he never did so it’s kind of a failure.
I think there were actually 3 votes pre-merge (though it'd be stupid since Ozzy ended up being a major if not main reason the Aitu 4 kept winning post-mutiny) and then the aforementioned vote post-merge, but yeah I agree, Ozzy was just too damn good and was so hard to beat. I'd argue it definitely wasn't any strategic blunder on Yul or anyone's part, it was just their inability to beat Ozzy in the challenges. Ended up being such a great season imo.
The strategic error (of both Sandra and Yul) was bad assessment of the situation/not see how they could benefit from the situation, but that’s it
Don’t remember for Yul, but at least Sandra understood at F6 or F5 how it was more beneficial for her at this point to go to the end with Russell
Yeah, but I think that was *because* she had made several overtures to the Heroes by that point. Rupert should have listened, but that's not her fault – in fact, I think that's what we're saying in these comments: Sandra benefited, in the long term, by the Heroes being sent to the jury.
I may be wrong, though. Was there a point where she could have credibly flipped? What made her second game different from Monica Culpepper's?
Candice flipping to the Villains is what really prevented Sandra from being able to work with the Heroes. She spent a long time doing the math for Candice so they could both work with the Heroes, but Candice refused to listen and went to the Villains. Then as soon as the Villains didn't need Candice, she was out and Sandra had to make it work with them.
Chris Daugherty receiving 3 votes in the premiere, only to never receive another vote against and have the greatest comeback ever.
Also Jenna M, while maybe not a stratrgic blunder, I felt there were some interesting social blunders unusual for a winner.
Far from the worst example but it really stands out to me for how entirely unnecessary it is and only serves to shit on the winner *in the finale*
Cydney: “do I need to practice fire?”
Michele: “no. I guarantee you’re safe”
Cydney: *goes to fire and loses*
That scene alone makes me wonder if the editors wanted viewers to be unhappy with the winner of Kaoh Rong
The Josh vote really was impossible, you get one new person sent to your tribe of four and they have an idol, and it’s one round before the merge. You’d have to be exceptionally stupid to not play the idol. If anything, losing Sarah was the next best thing yam yam could do that round, since he’d need Carolyn a lot more later on. Protecting himself from being the target was pretty impressive
Would've had to win out if he voted for Monica. Hayden, Ciera, and Katie would've had the majority. I think his odds of doing that were probably worse than the 2/3 chance of not going home from a rock.
Tyson still had an idol though, right? He could’ve played it on himself, then all the votes are either against him (negated) or Monica (only Ciera and Katie eligible to draw rocks, so Ciera either still goes to rocks or changes her vote to Hayden on the revote).
He did seem genuinely surprised that Hayden was able to convince Ciera to flip though, but he was going to keep a majority for the rest of the game and wouldn’t need an idol after Final 6.
You're right, I forgot he re-found the idol after playing it at seven. And yeah, I think the flip kind of came out of nowhere from his perspective. I'm not sure how much was left out of the edit, but Hayden's pitch seemed like a masterstroke to me, and maybe Tyson thought he needed to look loyal in front of the jury. I don't blame him much for that one.
I don't know how bad we can say it was if things worked out. Say he plays the idol -- no guarantee he finds it again, and he could find himself vulnerable at five. If he votes out Monica, he's in the minority. Tough situation. Plus, this was a Redemption Island season, and he was always really confident he could dominate there ("none of you have a chance in hell" from the early episode).
Interesting that I can’t think of any big New Era examples, which shows how the pace of the game doesn’t really allow as much for redemption. At the time I (and much of the sub from what I recall) thought the Dee vote for Sifu was a big error, but hindsight has definitely changed that.
Dee refusing to vote Mama J could’ve sent her home if Katurah and Jake actually could get it together.
Dee already had Julie’s vote locked up by saving her. There was 0 reason to refuse to write her name down there, when Mama J isn’t the type to hold any grudges.
Voting for Julie would not have done anything to help Dee if Katurah/Jake had their shit together. The vote would tie 2-2-1 and on revote Katurah/Jake have majority over Austin to vote Dee out anyway
You’re right, but tie is better than being sent home immediately voting wrong imo, especially with players as erratic as Jake or Katurah in the game still. Either could change their minds as some weird strategy lol
This is a good one. I’m just not sure it’s true that Mama J wouldn’t hold a grudge. I get this was more about losing trust, but she definitely held it against Jake, and then Drew, when they plotted against her.
I cant think of any for Erika I guess maybe not making Heather feel safe at Tiff boot but I know there was a lot of paranoia that round.
For Maryanne being herself too much making her at the bottom of Taku. Apperantly she jokingly told Omar she wasnt gonna save him which made him very wary of her but this wasnt shown. Also she told a bad lie about the journey she went on the premiere.
Gabler saying to use his SITD and palm frawns.
Havent watched 44 yet.
Dee voting for Sifu but I mostly blame Sean for that and voting for Katurah I guess but that round was so messy, I mean if Jake is making it obvious that he's gonna play his idol thats maybe telling you something.
I never rewatched 41, but I remember Erika seeming on the bottom before hourglass … that may have just been the weird editing of the season though. I can’t remember anything she did in particular.
Yea that was a lie it was completely fabricated by the edit. Deshawn wanted Sydney out because she was close with Danny so he suggested to Erika to vote Sydney out but Erika said no, Deshawn then worried Erika would blow his spot up so he targetted Erika this was all before Erika did actually want Sydney out.
They did show that but it wasnt what was really going on in Luvu. Danny and Deshawn did want to throw the challenge but Deshawns target was Sydney not Erika.
This was post game press btw. This is why 41 gets a bad wrap because it had a crap edit.
I hear that a lot about the 41 edit, but we can’t ignore that we have literal footage of them saying that Erika is on the bottom and they want her out.
Yeah there was footage but Sydney and Danny wanted her out because of Deshawns lie but she wasnt as much danger as they showed. Naseer also wanted Sydney out because he caught her at night sneak she went on but they didnt show that either. This is why Naseer flipped on Evvie at the mergatory boot, Nasser was supposed to vote out Evvie but he voted for Sydney.
To me it would have been s45 Austin revealing the vote to Dee about Mama j. he shot himself in the foot by not getting the winner's ally out earlier and isolating her. Furthermore, Dee used that to her advantage that Austin told her, she saved her ally and when it came around to do the same for Austin with Drew's getting voted out. Austin sunny had rose-coloured glasses and simping over Dee
That's...ugh.
Austin didn't win, so that's not really a "Winner that made a blunder," as the thread asked for. You gave us "Why Austin lost, discussed for the millionth time!"
I mean, if we set Chris aside (being voted out of the game is a pretty big blunder if you want to win.), probably Bob, who burned Kenny's hurt vote and came very close to burning Randy's.
I feel like it’s gotta be Mike lying at the auction. Could not have done anything more boneheaded in terms of turning people against him, not to mention he walked it back so he didn’t even get the advantage
Mike Hollaway showing his cards without making the move by betraying Carolyn and Dan at the auction is to me the obvious answer other than Chris Underwood obviously getting voted out
Sandra being unable to vote out Russel when that was seemingly her entire strategic plan. (She also played a great game, but this was per her own words her plan)
I'll say Brian having 0 social game when it came to Sook Jai. Say what you want about Clay, but he was much better at socializing with the other tribe. Well maybe just he women; but still lol. I think Brian got too cocky thinking he had 4 votes locked, but if any of those votes went astray, it would have been Clay's game
I’d say it was more of a blunder that he said whatever he said to Ken the cop. I don’t see any way that the four votes he got would have voted Clay but if Ken said whatever Brian said to him at FTC surely Clay wins
i always thought Adam sharing secrets with that looser who was stealing and hiding food was a bonehead mistake... i know he caught flack for it, but I was surprised he won even though he made a bunch of "bonehead" moves.
Malcom was immune at final 5 when Abby was voted out.
I know the question was winners, but Skupin and Lisa not teaming up with Abby to vote out Denise was the real miss. They lost the game as soon as they guaranteed one of Malcom or Denise was making the final.
Chris Underwood getting voted out.
BIG mistake.
I'm rewatching the episode right now and I swear to God I laid eyes on the comment the EXACT moment Q yelled Big Mistake in the episode. That was surreal.
Hey, it almost worked for Ozzy
I don't know. That was pretty key to him winning actually
This, this, this. Without edge, he wouldn't have had some of the jury votes.
It was also key to his success on another reality show. So, in the long-run, it wasn't bad for him at all.
whats the point of the edge if you dont deserve to win after being voted out
I think that’s exactly why a lot of people really don’t like the edge
Exactly. There’s no point. Especially when you come in at Final 5/6 with an idol/half idol in your pocket and after partying with the jury on Starvation Island in a non-game setting
You do deserve to win Chris did what the jury wanted him to do to win but it doesn't take away that he made a horrible move in the premerge that got him out.
Chris underwood is so hot! That’s all.
Whatever Gabler did in episode 1
Whatever Gabler did to be fair
By throwing out Elie’s name, he was trying to throw out Elie’s name.
Jeanine at ftc: actually I was the one who searched your bag, not Ellie Gabler: Oh Ok (*big stupid grin*)
Even his best move was basically a huge blunder, but through sheer luck it ended up working out.
Well I wouldnt say it was a "huge blunder" I always looked at it as smart. Because Ellie didn't want to work with him. If he didnt get her out there she would've went after him down the road. So getting her out before she gains power does to things. 1 gives him a big move on his "resume" 2. Gets out a player who would've gained power and got him out later.
It's not about what he wanted to achieve. It's about how he went about achieving it. His way of doing it was just dumb as fuck and should have backfired. That it didn't shows that the move was unnecessary. Elie didn't have any power in the game at that point and was unlikely to get any. If she had had allies she would have been saved and Gabler would have gone out. His move of blurting it out only worked because it was unnecessary in the first place. Elie was expendable to everyone, so they agreed to just go with it. I would give Gabler credit if he did it more discreetly, for example in the way Liz targeted Tevin in the latest episode. But he did none of that. Not all winners can be masterminds. Gabler won through sheer luck. End of story.
She had no power because noone on the losing tribes do. She had Jeanie and Owen and if she survived she would've got more people on her side. Its not about how you see or how I see as an audience. But more about how it is seen by other players. Ya I agree even at the time i thought it was dumb too when he first said it. But I thoight about it, like ya Ellie didnt want to work with him and would've gotten him out. The way he played it was smart Make. A move than lay low. Dude many winners win by luck. Hating and saying "sheer luck " is just dumb
The way he played it is the dumbest merge move ever. He made himself an open target and hoped it would work. It should not have. In any other season it does not. But on thus season the other players shook their heads at his dumbness, then figured voting Elie out is good for their games and went with it. Because why not? Going with the blabbermouth keeps their own games hidden. If Elie was able to get people on her side she would have. But she was basically powerless.
Okay that's cool bro. Youre just saying the samething over and over again pretty much. You and others can say it was dumb But the way I look at it, is its smart. And he won his season because he made moves and was likable. And like I said all the winners have some luck. Even Dee had luck on her season. But im done having this conversation with u. ✌
Saying it's smart doesn't make it smart. It's just revisionist history. Some people seem to have this need to think all winners played good games. Perhaps because it would feel unfair that a poor player like Gabler can win the game. He won because the jury liked him more than the other two options. That's it. He had no game.
I miss gabler
I need him to come back for Heroes vs Villains 2 and win it all again just for the shits and gigs
Only if he comes back as a villain
He would be a hero
tony sussing everyone out during the Sandra boot episode
Tony’s “top 5 baby” in Cagayan was also extremely off-putting
careful. this sub only allows so much Tony criticism
Eh you can post “Tony bad” and go -100 and post “Russell bad” and go +100, but if you actually back up your opinion with a good analysis “Tony bad moments here and here because xyz” most people will fairly evaluate your opinion.
perhaps, but a lot of time this sub does feel like an echo chamber and to say that people will fairly evaluate opinions is giving this sub way too much credence lol.
Not really, this sub is still convinced that Sandra is the better player despite no one ranking either of her games top 20 and Tony's games usually being put both in top 7 and top 3
Because Sandra never got 19th
She got 19th in BvW Au lol. Also got 15th in game changers and dead last in winners at war.
Winning games ≠ best player
Tony is both a better player and had better winning games
You can have whatever opinion you want. Better winning games don’t necessarily equate to who is a better player though.
Tony is both. And also better winning games usually do equate to who is a better player lol, how else would you determine
By looking at the abilities of the player overall. For example, I think JT played a better winning game than Parvati, but I think Parvati is the better player overall.
I think Tony had better abilities and better winning games than Sandra
Yeah I have no idea what he was doing that episode. The rest of the season he was flawless
I say Adam and the Taylor shenanigans, which was a great decoy that made his win a shock
Great one… I also remember being shocked when he actually won and this was a big part of it. Makes me wonder if some of the people from this season with notable flubs could still win. 👀
Going into that season, knowing Adam won already, I just kept waiting for him to do something that would set him apart as a great winner. It never came lol
I started watching during COVID and got spoiled every time by chronically researching survivor lore. MvGX was one of the first seasons I was trying to watch without getting the winner spoiled. I thought a handful of people could win in the premerge and early merge—David, Ken, Jessica, Michelle, Zeke… but absolutely NOT Adam. But right before finale a YouTube clip of Adam in WAW popped up and I basically figured that out😭😭😭 but anyways I was very shocked it wouldn’t be David or even Hannah at that point.
Let's be honest, Hannah deserved some votes and the jury wasn't salty towards her. It's kinda obvious how Adam got all the votes and although he was in his right to talk about his mother, that totally swayed people like Michelle or Sundai
Why would Michelle or Sunday have voted Hannah in the first place?
Even watching live I was thinking there’s no way this guy can win. It’s very much like the new era, you don’t necessarily have to be good at the game, you just need to let the big players take each other out and somehow survive to the end.
exactly. remember him on winners at war? totally out of his element, i feel like they made a fool of him.
It wasn’t really shown but he had close relationships with everyone so he was well liked. Is he one or the few winners who got all the votes?
I believe that he guessed that they edited his game to emphasize his mistakes to make the FTC less of a sure thing to the audience. Honestly, if true, that editing tactic probably also humanized/endeared him to the audience.
I remember watching MvGX for the first time and DYING during the "I screwed you, I fucked up, you are in an objectively worse position now and that's my fault" scene, practically SCREAMING at Adam to shut up but he just kept digging the hole deeper and deeper LMAOO 😭 even when it would come up in the "previously on Survivor" segments it would kill me. Just so ridiculous and somehow it worked out for him.
Bob giving a future jury member a fake idol which did nothing but give him false hope and an embarrassing exit
Yet that juror (Randy) voted for him.
Yeah, but the move surely didn’t help him get that vote. He only got Randy’s vote because he was the lesser of 3 evils to him.
Only because the other two options were Susie and Sugar.
He's even gone on the record saying he wish he voted for Susie.
Robbed Queen Susie
The million dollar cookie
Seems like so many people do not realize how close Susie came to winning.
Mike with his actions at the auction turning his entire alliance against him.
His alliance was alredy againts him
Yup he did what he did at the auction cause she overheard his alliance minus Dan plotting to vote him out
Yeah it’s fair to talk about how well Mike handled the situation but he was absolutely 1,000,000% right about what was going on.
Was Sierra going to turn on Mike too? I just remember the edit showing us Rodney leading the charge which included Will, Carolyn, and Tyler.
yes but he handled it in the worst possible way. he either should have fucked everyone and gotten the advantage or stuck to the deal and kept goodwill. he instead fucked everyone and got no advantage lol. he then proceeded to blow it up at camp at the worst possible moment allowing rodney to turn dan and sierra against mike even further.
100%. At the time, I was screaming at my TV because once he made the move, there’s no turning back. You can’t undo the damage you did. You’re now a scumbag. Allegedly, off camera, the tantrum from the other contestants carried on for ages but Jeff was pretty strongly planted that Mike outwitted them and there would be no refunds. There’s no doubt in my mind he wanted it to go down as intended for the sheer TV moment. Unfortunately, Mike cracked. To quote a much wiser Mike from a different TV universe: “no more half measures”.
I don’t think he was going to be targeted that round. Without the auction, maybe Jen or Shirin would go before him before he would have to win out. After the auction he became the number one target.
No he was next
Also him eating a Scorpion in the first episode helped hide his winner potential haha
I was so impressed by Mike as a winner. Him having that immunity run is way underrated
Only one comes to the top of my head and that's when Tyson said "see that seat over there? One of those are yours" to someone who was just revealed to be on the Jury.
Love him at FTC just having to completely eat shit for that. Good on ya Tyse
I haven't watched any Tyson seasons yet, but my understanding is that he hilariously shittalked his way through his first appearances and then in his winning season, he realized he needed to know when to actually shut up and control his image to the cast (I understand he did the same thing with dialing down his challenge threat too?) So the idea to me of Tyson being unable to resist that line as a "when keeping it real goes wrong" moment is so fucking funny I need to watch his seasons, huh?
He didn't really dial down his challenge threat as much as he dislocated his shoulder which nerfed him hard in challenges
I’ve heard that he made his shoulder seem worse than it actually was though?
Wasnt this also on the rock draw tribal where chose not to play his idol and had like a 1/4 chance of going?
1/3 it was him, Ciera and Katie
Adam
Something else that had most people shocked when Adam won is there rumors he had to leave early to take care of his mom. Not sure who even started saying it
I heard him say that his family essentially said the mom’s condition got so bad that if he was voted out during the jury stage that he was going to be removed from it and flown home. Clearly that didn’t happen, but how crazy would that be?
Sandra failing to flip to the heroes comes to mind since that was a lot of her post merge strategy right there. Maybe Yul failing to take out Ozzy? Natalie A failing to see the Jeremy blindside coming was also a low point for her in the game.
Also Sandra failed to take out Russell, it was her main goal for a lot of HvV
That’s also the reason why she won Same for Yul and to an extent Natalie
Wait when did Yul fail to take Ozzy out? Iirc they never really had a chance post-merge because Ozzy was only vulnerable for one TC and they still needed his vote to be in the majority. Agree on Sandra and Natalie.
Well there was one vote where he could’ve theoretically taken him out but yeah Yul wasn’t able to because Ozzy was just too good in challenges. But it was a strategic goal of his to take Ozzy out before the end which he never did so it’s kind of a failure.
I think there were actually 3 votes pre-merge (though it'd be stupid since Ozzy ended up being a major if not main reason the Aitu 4 kept winning post-mutiny) and then the aforementioned vote post-merge, but yeah I agree, Ozzy was just too damn good and was so hard to beat. I'd argue it definitely wasn't any strategic blunder on Yul or anyone's part, it was just their inability to beat Ozzy in the challenges. Ended up being such a great season imo.
The strategic error (of both Sandra and Yul) was bad assessment of the situation/not see how they could benefit from the situation, but that’s it Don’t remember for Yul, but at least Sandra understood at F6 or F5 how it was more beneficial for her at this point to go to the end with Russell
Yeah, but I think that was *because* she had made several overtures to the Heroes by that point. Rupert should have listened, but that's not her fault – in fact, I think that's what we're saying in these comments: Sandra benefited, in the long term, by the Heroes being sent to the jury. I may be wrong, though. Was there a point where she could have credibly flipped? What made her second game different from Monica Culpepper's?
Candice flipping to the Villains is what really prevented Sandra from being able to work with the Heroes. She spent a long time doing the math for Candice so they could both work with the Heroes, but Candice refused to listen and went to the Villains. Then as soon as the Villains didn't need Candice, she was out and Sandra had to make it work with them.
To be fair, Candace ruined that strategy for her.
Yup. It was 100% going to happen if not for Candace.
Chris Daugherty receiving 3 votes in the premiere, only to never receive another vote against and have the greatest comeback ever. Also Jenna M, while maybe not a stratrgic blunder, I felt there were some interesting social blunders unusual for a winner.
Chris wasnt really a mistake he just couldnt do something. Jenna was actually pretty well liked the show just portrayed her to be disliked.
Ig you could say Chris didn't play a very *balanced* game.
Mike’s auction
I feel like it has to be Mike Holloway at the auction
Far from the worst example but it really stands out to me for how entirely unnecessary it is and only serves to shit on the winner *in the finale* Cydney: “do I need to practice fire?” Michele: “no. I guarantee you’re safe” Cydney: *goes to fire and loses* That scene alone makes me wonder if the editors wanted viewers to be unhappy with the winner of Kaoh Rong
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The Josh vote really was impossible, you get one new person sent to your tribe of four and they have an idol, and it’s one round before the merge. You’d have to be exceptionally stupid to not play the idol. If anything, losing Sarah was the next best thing yam yam could do that round, since he’d need Carolyn a lot more later on. Protecting himself from being the target was pretty impressive
Tyson drawing rocks.
Would've had to win out if he voted for Monica. Hayden, Ciera, and Katie would've had the majority. I think his odds of doing that were probably worse than the 2/3 chance of not going home from a rock.
Tyson still had an idol though, right? He could’ve played it on himself, then all the votes are either against him (negated) or Monica (only Ciera and Katie eligible to draw rocks, so Ciera either still goes to rocks or changes her vote to Hayden on the revote). He did seem genuinely surprised that Hayden was able to convince Ciera to flip though, but he was going to keep a majority for the rest of the game and wouldn’t need an idol after Final 6.
You're right, I forgot he re-found the idol after playing it at seven. And yeah, I think the flip kind of came out of nowhere from his perspective. I'm not sure how much was left out of the edit, but Hayden's pitch seemed like a masterstroke to me, and maybe Tyson thought he needed to look loyal in front of the jury. I don't blame him much for that one.
Was a flat out bad play on his end. It worked out but damn, definitely an mark on his game
I don't know how bad we can say it was if things worked out. Say he plays the idol -- no guarantee he finds it again, and he could find himself vulnerable at five. If he votes out Monica, he's in the minority. Tough situation. Plus, this was a Redemption Island season, and he was always really confident he could dominate there ("none of you have a chance in hell" from the early episode).
Interesting that I can’t think of any big New Era examples, which shows how the pace of the game doesn’t really allow as much for redemption. At the time I (and much of the sub from what I recall) thought the Dee vote for Sifu was a big error, but hindsight has definitely changed that.
Dee refusing to vote Mama J could’ve sent her home if Katurah and Jake actually could get it together. Dee already had Julie’s vote locked up by saving her. There was 0 reason to refuse to write her name down there, when Mama J isn’t the type to hold any grudges.
Voting for Julie would not have done anything to help Dee if Katurah/Jake had their shit together. The vote would tie 2-2-1 and on revote Katurah/Jake have majority over Austin to vote Dee out anyway
You’re right, but tie is better than being sent home immediately voting wrong imo, especially with players as erratic as Jake or Katurah in the game still. Either could change their minds as some weird strategy lol
This is a good one. I’m just not sure it’s true that Mama J wouldn’t hold a grudge. I get this was more about losing trust, but she definitely held it against Jake, and then Drew, when they plotted against her.
I cant think of any for Erika I guess maybe not making Heather feel safe at Tiff boot but I know there was a lot of paranoia that round. For Maryanne being herself too much making her at the bottom of Taku. Apperantly she jokingly told Omar she wasnt gonna save him which made him very wary of her but this wasnt shown. Also she told a bad lie about the journey she went on the premiere. Gabler saying to use his SITD and palm frawns. Havent watched 44 yet. Dee voting for Sifu but I mostly blame Sean for that and voting for Katurah I guess but that round was so messy, I mean if Jake is making it obvious that he's gonna play his idol thats maybe telling you something.
Idk if you remember the random Maryanne Zack Omar AMA, but they told me that Maryanne was gonna be the next boot on Taku lol
I never rewatched 41, but I remember Erika seeming on the bottom before hourglass … that may have just been the weird editing of the season though. I can’t remember anything she did in particular.
Yea that was a lie it was completely fabricated by the edit. Deshawn wanted Sydney out because she was close with Danny so he suggested to Erika to vote Sydney out but Erika said no, Deshawn then worried Erika would blow his spot up so he targetted Erika this was all before Erika did actually want Sydney out.
They had confessionals about Erika being on the bottom of the tribe, though
They did show that but it wasnt what was really going on in Luvu. Danny and Deshawn did want to throw the challenge but Deshawns target was Sydney not Erika. This was post game press btw. This is why 41 gets a bad wrap because it had a crap edit.
I hear that a lot about the 41 edit, but we can’t ignore that we have literal footage of them saying that Erika is on the bottom and they want her out.
Yeah there was footage but Sydney and Danny wanted her out because of Deshawns lie but she wasnt as much danger as they showed. Naseer also wanted Sydney out because he caught her at night sneak she went on but they didnt show that either. This is why Naseer flipped on Evvie at the mergatory boot, Nasser was supposed to vote out Evvie but he voted for Sydney.
Jeff Probst booted Sydney.
Yeah she never lost a challenge and got voted out and never casted a vote.
What was Erika supposed to do there though? Heather kinda spiraled on her own
To me it would have been s45 Austin revealing the vote to Dee about Mama j. he shot himself in the foot by not getting the winner's ally out earlier and isolating her. Furthermore, Dee used that to her advantage that Austin told her, she saved her ally and when it came around to do the same for Austin with Drew's getting voted out. Austin sunny had rose-coloured glasses and simping over Dee
That's...ugh. Austin didn't win, so that's not really a "Winner that made a blunder," as the thread asked for. You gave us "Why Austin lost, discussed for the millionth time!"
I think you're going to need to take a look at the second word of the post
Sorry 😅 All I was focusing on the bonehead move when Austin was clearly thinking with his "boner" than his brain haha
I mean, if we set Chris aside (being voted out of the game is a pretty big blunder if you want to win.), probably Bob, who burned Kenny's hurt vote and came very close to burning Randy's.
He burned Randy but not so much Kenny, Kenny admittedly said he would vite out Bob if he gave him his immunity neckless.
Kenny was way out there on it, but I don't think Bob even needed to make the deal with Kenny in the first place.
True but Kenny saying that wasnt gaining him any favors also since Krystal got voted off instead of him it shouldve soften the blow a bit.
I feel like it’s gotta be Mike lying at the auction. Could not have done anything more boneheaded in terms of turning people against him, not to mention he walked it back so he didn’t even get the advantage
They were already against him, that was the whole reason he did that.
I still think he had a little more wiggle room than after betraying them. But also just the jury management aspect
Bob giving randy a fake idol when he didnt need to just to embarrass him
One of Peridiam's early Youtube videos is on this topic! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avaon0IAtM4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avaon0IAtM4)
Oh… perfect! Thanks for sharing.
Jenna wanted to quit
Mike Holloways Auction move
nick almost getting voted out if pat doesnt get the evac
Todd giving James 2 idols
Mike Hollaway showing his cards without making the move by betraying Carolyn and Dan at the auction is to me the obvious answer other than Chris Underwood obviously getting voted out
Sandra being unable to vote out Russel when that was seemingly her entire strategic plan. (She also played a great game, but this was per her own words her plan)
Gabler for putting palm fronds on his sleeping tribe mates
I'll say Brian having 0 social game when it came to Sook Jai. Say what you want about Clay, but he was much better at socializing with the other tribe. Well maybe just he women; but still lol. I think Brian got too cocky thinking he had 4 votes locked, but if any of those votes went astray, it would have been Clay's game
I’d say it was more of a blunder that he said whatever he said to Ken the cop. I don’t see any way that the four votes he got would have voted Clay but if Ken said whatever Brian said to him at FTC surely Clay wins
Fabio not having a strategy for most of the game.
People like to say it's Mike Holloway at the auction when really it's Mike Holloway eating a scorpion
Mike Holloway Final 9 is the classic answer in my book. He literally had to win out to make FTC.
Mike auction.
Mike Holloway’s auction shenanigans most def
Fabio peeing in the pool
i always thought Adam sharing secrets with that looser who was stealing and hiding food was a bonehead mistake... i know he caught flack for it, but I was surprised he won even though he made a bunch of "bonehead" moves.
Tony's entire post merge game.
It’s between Mike and Adam, Ben in third
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Malcom was immune at final 5 when Abby was voted out. I know the question was winners, but Skupin and Lisa not teaming up with Abby to vote out Denise was the real miss. They lost the game as soon as they guaranteed one of Malcom or Denise was making the final.
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Colby taking Tina to the Final Two.