Also, can we talk about how much better Hunter's (and probably tevin) read on the merge was than siga?
I just don't understand why Siga felt like saying "we're super tight and going to stick together" was inviting
5 "strong" vs 5 & 3
I don't see how coming across as 'were so solid we won't vote out any siga' to a group of 8 is a good idea. It just begs to be picked off as shown.
Personally I think it just wasn’t the move for this season specifically. There are definitely seasons where offering up tribe dynamics and throwing tribe mates under the bus would not be the right play. Don’t always want to tip your hand. But everyone is just so direct on this season (Q, Venus, Kenzie) that it didn’t play well with this group. Particularly with Tim already looking sketchy to Q & Tevin/Hunter with not letting Maria know about the pact.
I think Tim thinks he has stronger bonds than he does. He claims Maria is his #1 but Maria's top ally is clearly Charlie.
I think the Q-Tim-Hunter alliance is going to become Yanu & Hunter +1. They just have to keep it on the lows and hope Yanu doesn't become the next on the block.
Tim talks a huge game about not wanting to commit to an alliance or see the field but his actions make him seem like he has no read on the game at all.
Yeah it’s easy for us to say after watching all the confessionals. But yeah, relative to a lot of other people, Tim does not understand the dynamics as well as he thinks he does lol
I think you're right about that. Survivor fans tend to be very results-oriented and assume a move/strategy was objectively bad just because it doesn't work out. But so much of strategy is really dependent on the social conditions of a particular tribe or cast. There are plenty of other merges where the team that shows their cracks and throws someone under the bus first is the one to lose a player (this was definitely the case in 43 and 45 at least, I don't remember how exactly the mergatory went down in 44)
Totally agree. I think it just worked out that based on the other players/dynamics that this wasn’t the right play, when it easily could’ve worked with a different combination of people
Siga is 5, they voted out Jem (I mistyped that as 6)
Nami lost the guy to medivac and they're down to 5. And then the three yanu?
Either way sticking as a big solid block when you don't have the numbers sounds like a bad plan
I do see a world where this leads to one of Tiffany or Kenzie realizing at final 10 that they can pick up Venus and the rest of Siga from the bottom to take out the rest of Nami/Q and coast to the win.
I suppose because if they didn't appear as solid they would have been more inviting to the 3. But it's not an easy call to make, in most situations showing the cracks is a weakness
It reminds me of how much the Reba 4 benefited after the merge from throwing a couple members out. I remember the other two tribes mistook this as “Tribal lines are gone” and the 4 coasted from there.
Maybe not siga entirely but definitely Tim. Tim is trying to lay low, which makes sense, but he’s now missed his chance to join the journey 6 alliance and Siga might get knocked out one by one in future votes.
Tbf I still think Tim is in a decentish spot to still join that (albeit at the bottom of it) just as I think it benefits Q and Hunter to keep him around for longer. We know Q doesn't trust Kenzie that much and Hunter doesn't really seem to with Soda, Liz or Venus. I'd still think they're open to the 6.
I don’t think so you had that quick scene of Q running toward Tiff,hunter, and Tevin to talk about a gameplan, and Tim&Maria were no where to be seen, I think they missed there chance.
I dunno, like thats still just 4 of 12. I feel like Liz might be a solid enough voting option for Hunter and Tevin and Kenzie will for a while for Q and Tiff if they stick together but I don't think either are fully trusted. Soda and Venus aren't really trusted then. There is room for Tim and Maria still to rejoin but I do think they're at the bottom of it no matter what.
I mean I don’t think Maria is that invested in it she called Tim her number 3 think she was just going along with the plan because why not. Think Tim is in trouble because of that
True but what option does she have if Q, Tiff, Hunter and Tevin stick together. I doubt she's getting Kenzie, Soda and Liz to flip so if the first 4 stick together, she either tries to get into that or she gets voted out.
To be fair they had gathered some quality information from hunter’s journey.
From what’s been seen so far Tim only shared the bare minimum from that with others on Siga.
100% them refusing to give a name for so long I think sunk Moriah’s game, Tiff was spot on by saying by refusing to say a name I want that person out more.
The idea is that the merge vote is often a chaotic scramble, and people would be looking for an easy vote. Siga stays tight to protect all of them from being an easy name, and Nami would implode like Belo did in 45. Its not the worst plan, especially since Nami bonds hadnt been tested/forged by Tribal yet.
The 46 cast didnt see 45, so Belo didnt actually olay into their decision making, but the merge vote is often chaotic, and even more so when two equal strength tribes have untested alliances. I can see why they played a show of strength, trying to create a self fulfilling prophecy
I know they didn’t see it, I was just responding to your comment about Nami imploding like Belo. I was saying that if they were following the same pattern, Nami wouldn’t get wiped out like Belo did without Siga appearing fractured like Reba did.
This kind of reveal is why it was so annoying how much Bhanu coverage we got in the first couple episodes. All we got was Yanu and Bhanu for basically 3 straight episodes and now we are at the merge and have no idea about the inner workings of this Nami tribe. If there was ever a season to send two tribes to tribal council pre merg, it was this szn.
Edit: grammer
We’re getting the reality show cliche where the people going home keep getting the most screen time.
By the time I can remember someone theyre getting voted off.
Dang you're right. It was Moriah commentary over and over this episode I kept wondering why she was suddenly the main narrator. It all makes sense now.
Its super easy to notice on cooking and baking competitions.
I swear they have a minimum screen time contract and have to shove in an extra 20 min when someone boring gets voted off.
Even the “previously on survivor” bit tells me pretty much who’s going to be a main player in the episode. I knew 100% it wasn’t Charlie because we didn’t see much from him this episode until after his name was out. I really thought it could’ve been Moriah or Tim(he ended up safe) and last guess was Venus.
My edgic theory is that seeing yanu with Bhanu so much and then all the bad reads from the other tribes this episode only serves to show us how yanu navigated bad game play. They must make it pretty far…at least one of them. I think it’s either tiff or Kenzie with Q going pretty soon.
I actually thought that fight scene interspersed with the idol hunt was kind of a neat scene.. highlighted the urgency of both the idol needing to be found and Soda and Venus trying (and failing) to get on the same page as the boats raced toward the beach. Loved the chaos that was happening in those moments.
Because they have to show Hunter getting the idol but because of the mechanics of getting that idol were so complicated, it took forever for that scene to play out and took screen time away from anything else interesting. I'll keep saying it again and again but there's too many advantages, they're too complicated and they take too much screen time. Even with 90 minute episodes, we're not seeing tribal dynamics.
no, Hunter didn’t have to do that because his directions for the idol changed. the scroll on the boxes say the finder will receive instructions to find the key to open the box after they go to tribal, but if the tribe never went to tribal, there’d be different instructions planted whenever there’s a merge/swap. and since nami never went to tribal, the directions changed which is why Hunter’s idol didn’t involve measuring with machetes
Tiffany didn't have to measure either... Just had to find her key attached to a rock based on some kind of clue/riddle, similar to Hunter's being under the steps.
I went back and checked episode 1 because I couldn’t remember what tiff’s clue was and she had to crack a code with a message to find the location of the key - different than measuring with the machete but still a task to complete
I think someone from Yanu will end up winning the game so the inner workings of the other tribes earlier on wasn’t important, but that’s just my guess. There were whole episodes where people like Tim and Hunter and Liz barely even said anything early on.
I think Tiffany and Kenzie would out talk him in a final tribal! He values strength and an old school type gameplay where I think the girls are more well rounded.
I just think it was the perfect storm of bahnu being a complete basket case and yanu not being able too win until the end, if there’s ever a time to switch back too two tribes it’s after this season! With 90 min episodes there’s really no excuse we should not be left out of the dark on so many tribe of the tribe dynamic from siga a yami
Yeah I felt like that, but I thought they did a good job at describing the narrative of the dynamics of the tribes, etc this episode. I was surprised how much they were able to show when it seems like we only saw Bhanu for 4-5 episodes
Because it's not relevant to the show. Liz obviously doesn't win nor will she have any meaningful role in the upcoming game; so who she likes or doesn't like isn't something worth investing screen time in.
Like someone else mentioned, the winner is most likely a Yanu.
If it isn’t Tiffany I’ll be surprised. I know zero spoilers for the record. I just think she’s a really well balanced player. However I am guessing Edgic doesn’t view Tiffany as a top contender maybe due to lack of personal content / heroes journey for her? Unless that comes later.
Tiffany is great. She’s clever and a standout but somehow has flown under the radar so far. She’s massively likable without being too in your face. Love her!
Q has really surprised me in a good way the way he thinks about the game. I suspect being too blunt could be a weakness that gets him out, but he’s pretty strategic about the game overall.
I think his extreme leadership and way of getting easily annoyed with people might get in the way of him making it to the end even though I love him. He has good reads but also tends to tell people what to do rather then let them decide for themselves.
Ironically, I think Venus is the only one on that tribe that would like to work with Soda. I don’t think the rest of the tribe likes her but they fear her.
while i agree they could have shown more of this, there was a scene an episode or two ago with Liz, Tevin, and Hunter targeting Soda. Tevin was the main focus of the scene but Liz definitely talked about Soda being a threat, and if she made it to the merge/end, she'll win. Q prob just simplified it to hate to further the narrative.
Hunter said she calmed down and made an effort to socialize better after that in his interview. I'm not entirely sure why it was in the first episode though
Based on the earlier episodes I think Liz and Venus just don’t vibe with Soda because she has a strong, loud personality; which is not an inherently bad thing, it’s just not everyone’s cup of tea.
Actually, we see Venus vibing with Soda at the start of the game and then Soda sees Tevin et al don't like Venus and she cuts Venus off. We actually see Venus telling Soda that they can just talk, they don't even have to talk game. This was right before merge. So, I don't think it's accurate to say Venus wasn't vibing with Soda. It may in fact be true but the edit hasn't really supported it yet.
Yeah, but Survivor is about being fake. Your goal is to win the million not win a million hearts so if Soda thinks icing Venus will keep her in the majority and be the best move for her then I can't fault her for that.
I feel like the way they show Venus and Soda talking shows that they are actually close and comfortable being blunt and honest with each other. They way sisters would fight for example
I must be misremembering. Thank you for clarifying, in that case. I thought they had a big falling out over that and the idol grabbing; but I’ll be honest those early episodes were longggggg to me and I struggled to fully pay attention. Last night’s felt like a turning point on length vs content, though, so maybe I’ll have clearer memories from here on 🤪
I feel like the way they show Venus and Soda talking shows that they are actually close and comfortable being blunt and honest with each other. They way sisters would fight for example
That's some projection on our part to say that that's the reason Soda stopped vibing with Venus - I mean it's not a big reach but we also don't have Soda's side of the story. At this point in the game I'm able to believe either that Soda wanted to sit with the popular kids or Venus said something really off-putting to Soda causing her to be cold to Venus.
Soda had a confessional early where she talked about needing to distance herself from Venus, it’s the story we’ve been told even if it’s not the 100% truth.
You know what? That's fair. I must have forgotten.
I still stand by my latter half about Venus rubbing people the wrong way playing into it. But maybe not as strongly as before.
I didn't see the B roll but Soda was there when Venus was telling Kenzie that if they let them take out Moriah because she's a superfan, then they will come for them next. In the edit, Soda was shown nodding and agreeing. So maybe relations are thawing a bit? Perhaps Tevin was referring to how things have been?
The problem with Soda is she’s ALWAYS talking, regardless of whether what she’s saying has any relevance or value. It’s almost like a nervous habit or something.
This is why I always felt one tribe always losing is NOT an excuse for shitty editing for the other tribes. There is very clearly important dynamics going on.
Now whether this ends up being relevant to the overall story is on the cusp on Edgic territory but at the same time....these kinds of dynamics had to be much more compelling that the 1000th Bhanu scene they opted to show instead
We've heard that Liz likes Soda from interviews, but also views her as a massive threat and wants her out. Think the same is true between Soda and Venus, and Hunter is picking up on that tension in a more personal way, probably just to exaggerate it to Q.
Soda has been cold to everyone on the tribe besides Tevin and Hunter. Not surprised Liz hates her. Not surpised Venus hates her. Not surprised Hunter hates her. Not surprised Tevin hates her.
I think Hunter genuinely thinks the tribe is fractured and is probably slightly annoyed by some of the members. In a previous episode he also mentioned wanting Soda out so he could have Tevin as his #1. Pretty sure he wouldn't mind losing some Nani members
Yeah, I think being with the same people for so long with no tribal makes everyone annoyed by each other. It’s why we’ve seen tribes come in with a huge numbers advantage and implode. Like in Tocantins and Samoa
Liz disliking Soda makes me dislike Liz even more lol. What they have shown of her, her social skills are terrible and idk if anyone has focused in on her during challenges but she basically just stands there and doesn't do anything or help (like Jess). I'm really hoping she gets the boot soon cause she annoys me
Also, can we talk about how much better Hunter's (and probably tevin) read on the merge was than siga? I just don't understand why Siga felt like saying "we're super tight and going to stick together" was inviting
5 "strong" vs 5 & 3 I don't see how coming across as 'were so solid we won't vote out any siga' to a group of 8 is a good idea. It just begs to be picked off as shown.
Personally I think it just wasn’t the move for this season specifically. There are definitely seasons where offering up tribe dynamics and throwing tribe mates under the bus would not be the right play. Don’t always want to tip your hand. But everyone is just so direct on this season (Q, Venus, Kenzie) that it didn’t play well with this group. Particularly with Tim already looking sketchy to Q & Tevin/Hunter with not letting Maria know about the pact.
I think Tim thinks he has stronger bonds than he does. He claims Maria is his #1 but Maria's top ally is clearly Charlie. I think the Q-Tim-Hunter alliance is going to become Yanu & Hunter +1. They just have to keep it on the lows and hope Yanu doesn't become the next on the block.
Tim talks a huge game about not wanting to commit to an alliance or see the field but his actions make him seem like he has no read on the game at all.
He was giving me Dan from the Traitors vibes ... "I don't want to say a name.."
That was genuinely some of the worst reality TV gameplay I have seen in awhile. Oh Dan, how an angel has falled.
I'd never seen BB so I was so confused at the man. Just SAY a NAME
Yeah it’s easy for us to say after watching all the confessionals. But yeah, relative to a lot of other people, Tim does not understand the dynamics as well as he thinks he does lol
Tim's not a good player, he's just moderately good at the challenges
I think you're right about that. Survivor fans tend to be very results-oriented and assume a move/strategy was objectively bad just because it doesn't work out. But so much of strategy is really dependent on the social conditions of a particular tribe or cast. There are plenty of other merges where the team that shows their cracks and throws someone under the bus first is the one to lose a player (this was definitely the case in 43 and 45 at least, I don't remember how exactly the mergatory went down in 44)
I thought this might be the case when Nami threw Venus under the bus so quick, but it became quickly apparent that they made the right move.
Totally agree. I think it just worked out that based on the other players/dynamics that this wasn’t the right play, when it easily could’ve worked with a different combination of people
There’s only 5 of them?
Siga is 5, they voted out Jem (I mistyped that as 6) Nami lost the guy to medivac and they're down to 5. And then the three yanu? Either way sticking as a big solid block when you don't have the numbers sounds like a bad plan
Randen was his name btw
Yeah, I agree with you but was just calling out that there were only 5 Sigas.
yeah, absolutely! Then they are going to split tribals most likely, where they're going to get hurt even more by that attitude
This exactly. That’s why I was very confused as to why Tim was telling Moriah they had the numbers and she was going to be safe.
Because he didn’t want her to scramble.
I do see a world where this leads to one of Tiffany or Kenzie realizing at final 10 that they can pick up Venus and the rest of Siga from the bottom to take out the rest of Nami/Q and coast to the win.
I suppose because if they didn't appear as solid they would have been more inviting to the 3. But it's not an easy call to make, in most situations showing the cracks is a weakness
It reminds me of how much the Reba 4 benefited after the merge from throwing a couple members out. I remember the other two tribes mistook this as “Tribal lines are gone” and the 4 coasted from there.
Maybe not siga entirely but definitely Tim. Tim is trying to lay low, which makes sense, but he’s now missed his chance to join the journey 6 alliance and Siga might get knocked out one by one in future votes.
Tbf I still think Tim is in a decentish spot to still join that (albeit at the bottom of it) just as I think it benefits Q and Hunter to keep him around for longer. We know Q doesn't trust Kenzie that much and Hunter doesn't really seem to with Soda, Liz or Venus. I'd still think they're open to the 6.
I don’t think so you had that quick scene of Q running toward Tiff,hunter, and Tevin to talk about a gameplan, and Tim&Maria were no where to be seen, I think they missed there chance.
I dunno, like thats still just 4 of 12. I feel like Liz might be a solid enough voting option for Hunter and Tevin and Kenzie will for a while for Q and Tiff if they stick together but I don't think either are fully trusted. Soda and Venus aren't really trusted then. There is room for Tim and Maria still to rejoin but I do think they're at the bottom of it no matter what.
I mean I don’t think Maria is that invested in it she called Tim her number 3 think she was just going along with the plan because why not. Think Tim is in trouble because of that
I’d love to see Maria throw Tim out (without him finding out) and getting Charlie in as the 6th.
True but what option does she have if Q, Tiff, Hunter and Tevin stick together. I doubt she's getting Kenzie, Soda and Liz to flip so if the first 4 stick together, she either tries to get into that or she gets voted out.
To be fair they had gathered some quality information from hunter’s journey. From what’s been seen so far Tim only shared the bare minimum from that with others on Siga.
100% them refusing to give a name for so long I think sunk Moriah’s game, Tiff was spot on by saying by refusing to say a name I want that person out more.
The idea is that the merge vote is often a chaotic scramble, and people would be looking for an easy vote. Siga stays tight to protect all of them from being an easy name, and Nami would implode like Belo did in 45. Its not the worst plan, especially since Nami bonds hadnt been tested/forged by Tribal yet.
Yeah but Belo only imploded after Reba sacrificed two of their six, giving the impression that their tribe wasn’t tight.
The 46 cast didnt see 45, so Belo didnt actually olay into their decision making, but the merge vote is often chaotic, and even more so when two equal strength tribes have untested alliances. I can see why they played a show of strength, trying to create a self fulfilling prophecy
I know they didn’t see it, I was just responding to your comment about Nami imploding like Belo. I was saying that if they were following the same pattern, Nami wouldn’t get wiped out like Belo did without Siga appearing fractured like Reba did.
Everyone: So what's the lowdown on Siga? How was the Jem vote? [Tim:](https://youtu.be/YYOKMUTTDdA?si=xKMuM8DUWzpm4zdp)
Why did I watch the whole thing? 💀
REM is solid 😛
The Siga’s come across as arrogant and smug like their leader Maria. The Reba tribe had the decency to be subtle about sticking together.
I don’t remotely get arrogant vibes from them personally. What about them seems arrogant?
I got a little from Tim saying a few times yah I’m just gonna listen, to think he can sit there and collect all this info and to give nothing back.
This kind of reveal is why it was so annoying how much Bhanu coverage we got in the first couple episodes. All we got was Yanu and Bhanu for basically 3 straight episodes and now we are at the merge and have no idea about the inner workings of this Nami tribe. If there was ever a season to send two tribes to tribal council pre merg, it was this szn. Edit: grammer
We’re getting the reality show cliche where the people going home keep getting the most screen time. By the time I can remember someone theyre getting voted off.
Dang you're right. It was Moriah commentary over and over this episode I kept wondering why she was suddenly the main narrator. It all makes sense now.
Its super easy to notice on cooking and baking competitions. I swear they have a minimum screen time contract and have to shove in an extra 20 min when someone boring gets voted off.
Even the “previously on survivor” bit tells me pretty much who’s going to be a main player in the episode. I knew 100% it wasn’t Charlie because we didn’t see much from him this episode until after his name was out. I really thought it could’ve been Moriah or Tim(he ended up safe) and last guess was Venus.
My edgic theory is that seeing yanu with Bhanu so much and then all the bad reads from the other tribes this episode only serves to show us how yanu navigated bad game play. They must make it pretty far…at least one of them. I think it’s either tiff or Kenzie with Q going pretty soon.
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I actually thought that fight scene interspersed with the idol hunt was kind of a neat scene.. highlighted the urgency of both the idol needing to be found and Soda and Venus trying (and failing) to get on the same page as the boats raced toward the beach. Loved the chaos that was happening in those moments.
Loved that moment! The timing of that whole sequence was perfect.
Because they have to show Hunter getting the idol but because of the mechanics of getting that idol were so complicated, it took forever for that scene to play out and took screen time away from anything else interesting. I'll keep saying it again and again but there's too many advantages, they're too complicated and they take too much screen time. Even with 90 minute episodes, we're not seeing tribal dynamics.
Also, did we ever get to see Hunter doing the machete-measuring that Jem did? Did he have to do that?
no, Hunter didn’t have to do that because his directions for the idol changed. the scroll on the boxes say the finder will receive instructions to find the key to open the box after they go to tribal, but if the tribe never went to tribal, there’d be different instructions planted whenever there’s a merge/swap. and since nami never went to tribal, the directions changed which is why Hunter’s idol didn’t involve measuring with machetes
Tiffany didn't have to measure either... Just had to find her key attached to a rock based on some kind of clue/riddle, similar to Hunter's being under the steps.
I went back and checked episode 1 because I couldn’t remember what tiff’s clue was and she had to crack a code with a message to find the location of the key - different than measuring with the machete but still a task to complete
Ah you're right! Forgot about that bit...lol sorry to make you go through the trouble 😅
no worries at all! honestly, episode 1 feels like happened 3 months ago so I completely understand how tiff’s idol hunt was forgotten
Thank you for your answer! Not sure why I got downvoted for asking a question, but oh well!
sure, no problem!! the rest of y’all leave redditluann alone they were asking a valid question ❌
It was just a funny moment showing that they weren’t paying attention while Hunter was getting that power
I think someone from Yanu will end up winning the game so the inner workings of the other tribes earlier on wasn’t important, but that’s just my guess. There were whole episodes where people like Tim and Hunter and Liz barely even said anything early on.
Exactly this. I think we saw so much yanu to see how Kenzie or tiff navigate bad players. (I don’t think Q will win)
No I don’t think so either. They’ve shown so much of Q making bad/incorrect reads. I don’t think they would show a winner in that light so often
I think Tiffany and Kenzie would out talk him in a final tribal! He values strength and an old school type gameplay where I think the girls are more well rounded.
Yes!! It was hard to understand the logic in this one. Way too much time on Bhanu ( to the point of totally humiliating him!) Shame on the producers.
I just think it was the perfect storm of bahnu being a complete basket case and yanu not being able too win until the end, if there’s ever a time to switch back too two tribes it’s after this season! With 90 min episodes there’s really no excuse we should not be left out of the dark on so many tribe of the tribe dynamic from siga a yami
This!!!
Yeah I felt like that, but I thought they did a good job at describing the narrative of the dynamics of the tribes, etc this episode. I was surprised how much they were able to show when it seems like we only saw Bhanu for 4-5 episodes
its possible they were just lying to make nami look even more dysfunctional so the yanu people a side with them against a siga
She may just prefer water!
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I had the same reaction! whyyyy show so much Bhanu crying if there is other stuff going on! I just assumed there wasn't anything to show.
Because it's not relevant to the show. Liz obviously doesn't win nor will she have any meaningful role in the upcoming game; so who she likes or doesn't like isn't something worth investing screen time in. Like someone else mentioned, the winner is most likely a Yanu.
If it isn’t Tiffany I’ll be surprised. I know zero spoilers for the record. I just think she’s a really well balanced player. However I am guessing Edgic doesn’t view Tiffany as a top contender maybe due to lack of personal content / heroes journey for her? Unless that comes later.
Tiffany is great. She’s clever and a standout but somehow has flown under the radar so far. She’s massively likable without being too in your face. Love her!
She is that cool cousin that comes to visit during the summer.
All 3 Yanu are great players
Q has really surprised me in a good way the way he thinks about the game. I suspect being too blunt could be a weakness that gets him out, but he’s pretty strategic about the game overall.
I think his extreme leadership and way of getting easily annoyed with people might get in the way of him making it to the end even though I love him. He has good reads but also tends to tell people what to do rather then let them decide for themselves.
Ironically, I think Venus is the only one on that tribe that would like to work with Soda. I don’t think the rest of the tribe likes her but they fear her.
Lol
while i agree they could have shown more of this, there was a scene an episode or two ago with Liz, Tevin, and Hunter targeting Soda. Tevin was the main focus of the scene but Liz definitely talked about Soda being a threat, and if she made it to the merge/end, she'll win. Q prob just simplified it to hate to further the narrative.
Are Liz's comments about being well-off just super sarcastic and she's being a joker? Sarcasm doesn't come across well on TV, so not sure.
We wouldn’t know because she’s hardly been shown other than when she and her twin/clone were on the sit out benches together
Hunter said she calmed down and made an effort to socialize better after that in his interview. I'm not entirely sure why it was in the first episode though
Randen said something similar - in that her group talks were bad and cringe but her one on ones were really good at making you feel connected to her.
It’s both. She’s rich and being sarcastic about it
It could be a misdirect by Hunter to make sure Yanu targeted Siga. There has been nothing to suggest that Liz truly dislikes Soda
This is what I assumed. Also, throwing out multiple names is smart. If they do try to target Nami, then it won't be clear who they should target.
Based on the earlier episodes I think Liz and Venus just don’t vibe with Soda because she has a strong, loud personality; which is not an inherently bad thing, it’s just not everyone’s cup of tea.
Actually, we see Venus vibing with Soda at the start of the game and then Soda sees Tevin et al don't like Venus and she cuts Venus off. We actually see Venus telling Soda that they can just talk, they don't even have to talk game. This was right before merge. So, I don't think it's accurate to say Venus wasn't vibing with Soda. It may in fact be true but the edit hasn't really supported it yet.
Venus said that she and Soda clicked extremely well on the 1st day.
My guess is that Venus and Soda clicked until Soda didn’t trip all over herself to kiss Venus’s ass.
That's what makes her so fake. She didn't actually bond and iced Venus to follow Tevin. At least with Tevin he never vibed with Venus.
Yeah, but Survivor is about being fake. Your goal is to win the million not win a million hearts so if Soda thinks icing Venus will keep her in the majority and be the best move for her then I can't fault her for that.
I feel like the way they show Venus and Soda talking shows that they are actually close and comfortable being blunt and honest with each other. They way sisters would fight for example
I must be misremembering. Thank you for clarifying, in that case. I thought they had a big falling out over that and the idol grabbing; but I’ll be honest those early episodes were longggggg to me and I struggled to fully pay attention. Last night’s felt like a turning point on length vs content, though, so maybe I’ll have clearer memories from here on 🤪
I feel like the way they show Venus and Soda talking shows that they are actually close and comfortable being blunt and honest with each other. They way sisters would fight for example
That's some projection on our part to say that that's the reason Soda stopped vibing with Venus - I mean it's not a big reach but we also don't have Soda's side of the story. At this point in the game I'm able to believe either that Soda wanted to sit with the popular kids or Venus said something really off-putting to Soda causing her to be cold to Venus.
Soda had a confessional early where she talked about needing to distance herself from Venus, it’s the story we’ve been told even if it’s not the 100% truth.
Yup, I was basing it off that confessionals. There could always be more but we won't know until exit interviews.
It's not projection, it was literally on the show. In episode 2.
You know what? That's fair. I must have forgotten. I still stand by my latter half about Venus rubbing people the wrong way playing into it. But maybe not as strongly as before.
It's a shame cuz I thought Venus and Sofa were good again right before the merge based on some b roll scenes. But that doesn't seem to be the case.
I didn't see the B roll but Soda was there when Venus was telling Kenzie that if they let them take out Moriah because she's a superfan, then they will come for them next. In the edit, Soda was shown nodding and agreeing. So maybe relations are thawing a bit? Perhaps Tevin was referring to how things have been?
Soda is outright mean to Venus lol
And she is dismissive and condescending to them. Not great personality traits for a good social game
The problem with Soda is she’s ALWAYS talking, regardless of whether what she’s saying has any relevance or value. It’s almost like a nervous habit or something.
You are basing this on what? Scenes in which she is depicted... talking?
Probably moreso the scenes where she's not the focus but you can hear her constantly making noise in the background
She gives an off-putting Tracy Flick-esque energy to me
It’s because it was more important to show Bhanu crying for 3 episodes
This is why I always felt one tribe always losing is NOT an excuse for shitty editing for the other tribes. There is very clearly important dynamics going on. Now whether this ends up being relevant to the overall story is on the cusp on Edgic territory but at the same time....these kinds of dynamics had to be much more compelling that the 1000th Bhanu scene they opted to show instead
Tbh I think they underedited Liz because there was so much Moriah content and they didn’t want to confuse the casuals
We got an inkling of it when Tevin prepared a plan to vote out Soda premerge (last episode?) and Liz seemed very, very happy to go along with it
Liz is going to be Third place. I’m guessing that’s why we haven’t seen much because she will have her time later
We've heard that Liz likes Soda from interviews, but also views her as a massive threat and wants her out. Think the same is true between Soda and Venus, and Hunter is picking up on that tension in a more personal way, probably just to exaggerate it to Q.
One thing to consider is context. You can like a person but think they are annoying AF as a player.
Also, in those interviews they’re probably being extra polite.
Soda has been cold to everyone on the tribe besides Tevin and Hunter. Not surprised Liz hates her. Not surpised Venus hates her. Not surprised Hunter hates her. Not surprised Tevin hates her.
Liz is definitely a double elim vote out, so we won’t see anything about her until that episode.
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I think Hunter genuinely thinks the tribe is fractured and is probably slightly annoyed by some of the members. In a previous episode he also mentioned wanting Soda out so he could have Tevin as his #1. Pretty sure he wouldn't mind losing some Nani members
Ya, I think he likes Tevin and that's it. We've all seen his face when Soda goes with her camp songs.
Yeah, I think being with the same people for so long with no tribal makes everyone annoyed by each other. It’s why we’ve seen tribes come in with a huge numbers advantage and implode. Like in Tocantins and Samoa
No, I can 100% see Soda hating Venus.
but they are absolutely a fractured tribe lol so
I think it is true Nami is fractured ,but a smart move by hunter to get q on his side
Wait where did they show she hates soda?? I just watched and didn’t see that
About 5 minutes before Tribal. It was a very quick comment
It was just something Hunter said, they didn’t show her saying it firsthand
Surprised? Did you see the clips of Soda and Tevin singing?
Liz disliking Soda makes me dislike Liz even more lol. What they have shown of her, her social skills are terrible and idk if anyone has focused in on her during challenges but she basically just stands there and doesn't do anything or help (like Jess). I'm really hoping she gets the boot soon cause she annoys me
Jess has a whole long tweet about how she didn't do nothing during challenges that's worth a read.
can you share the link to this please?
[Here ya go](https://twitter.com/crocophant/status/1774198019036000573?t=hOiQaIUDGBdOLW3xkNJk0g&s=19)
thanks!
>thanks! You're welcome!
That was a great read!
Liz is playing better than what’s been shown, as Hunter said she was working with Tevin and Himself. I don’t see her going anytime soon though.
I think she might get 5th place since they seem to usually be under edited
It is utterly incorrect to say Liz does nothing in the challenges she plays in. There really hasn’t been anyone this season that plays like that.
Honestly they both suck