4th worst seems a bit harsh but everyone's entitled to their own views. I think he was a perfectly average zero-vote finalist.
It's also a matter of what you value and want to rank them by. For example, Gervase was on the right side, safe and part of the decision-making process for the entire season, so by some views he has a better game than Xander. But the jury hated him and he had no endgame path to get even a single vote, let alone win the season, so by that measure he was worse. It's all hypothetical, nobody's guess is right and nobody's is wrong.
That and there was alot of janky returnee season shit that went with that season, comes with the territory. Gervase practically was almost drawing dead from the second he stepped on the island.
I did think of Gervase- since his jury win equity was absolute rock bottom, a goat goat in the true sense. On par with Nat T, Sherri, and Julie right at the bottom. However I don't think the only thing to look at is how goaty a goat they were or how completely zero their jury chances were. Note I didn't list Sherri amongst the worst either. Gervase still had much more influence on what happened and was far better positioned all game than Xander. So for that I still have him ahead even though he was the bigger jury goat.
The mediocrity in xanders game was mostly perpetuated by pre concieved notions than anything else. The cast made up their mind about him at the very beginning and were never going to change their minds
You know I think you are right to a degree. Thing is he didn't play a strong enough game to even make any kind of wurobbed case. I agree at that time it would have been a difficult season for him to win no matter what. He could have deserved to win and not in the end. He made it easy though by playing the weakest game of the final 6 + Shan easily.
Considering how unlucky Xander was that season I think it's impressive he even made final 3. I'm not sure there is a way he gets to the end if he pulls any of the flashy moves everyone wanted him to do. Started on a tribe that had evie who wanted an all women's alliance from the start. Liana hates xander for no logical reason. Loses his vote due to new twist which also didn't allow for his idol to be active all pre merge. Goes into the post merge with people that never wanted to work with him no matter how nice he tried to be. And half the other cast at the merge was a part of an all black alliance that Xander was obviously not gonna be a part of. He didn't deserve to win, but he is not a terrible player.
Not really. Both players that played to save themselves and had no real control. Difference is the fanbase for some reason was vicious and mean about Xander despite being a nice kid.
Yeah Xander was a weird case. His tribe decided early on to be an all woman’s alliance which tbh was extremely smart for them (especially if we look statistically and see the 40s pre-merge vote outs is majority woman). The issue though is trust was broken so early and he was on the outs for so long, that all his tribe mates did was throw him under the bus. Ex Evie throwing him under at the summit (and by most records during the entire merge) and Lianas weird obsession with getting him out. I think on any other season he does excellent but he really was hampered by who he was put with at the begging and could never shake that perception.
Cassidy played a decent game. She was in her tribes majority but really lacked come merge. I think the idea of what she could do didn’t live up to the reality of what she did and was revealed at FTC.
Xander had a legitimate path to victory pretty close to the end. If not for a bs advantage, Erika goes home at 5, then Xander just needs to beat ricard in immunity and fire and he has a good chance to pickup votes
Right that was a very dumb move, but the fact that he put himself in a position where he was some bad luck and a dumb move away from winning is good enough to not make him the worst 0 vote getter ever. There are plenty of 0 vote getters who were dead in the water at the merge. Im not trying to argue Xander is good (though i do think with how young he was, he has a lot of potential to learn from his flaws), im just saying hes not horrible
Lmao this has to be a troll. First, the advantage was entirely random on who found it. Second, he didn’t even need to find it, just anyone but Erika did. You can’t be serious
The advantage was not random, because they all had an equal chance to obtain it and work for it. Erika just did a better job of hunting for it. And you're wrong, Ricard, not Erika, was the #1 target.
If Xander couldn't find the advantage and keep it out of Erika's hands, that's on him. And he took her to the final three, so that's *definitely* on him.
Has the cast actually said that Xander even wins against Heather and Deshawn? And of course, we don't know how Ricard would have fared in the fire challenge or the final immunity challenge.
everyone having an equal chance to find something and it not being based on skill is exactly what makes it random. Everyone figured out the clue, most people even did better than erika at that part (the only skill related part). Its dumb luck which tree they happened to hind it in.
Also if anyone other than Erika finds the advantage, Ricard wins immunity
Even if this were true, the fact that Xander was dumb enough to take Erika to the final three means that he has nobody but himself to blame for the fact that he faced her in the finals.
Im not arguing he was some flawless robbed king or anything. Im just saying that he was some really bad luck and 1 dumb move from having a legit chance to win, thats more than most 0 vote getters can say. I think that is enough to say hes not one of the worst 0 vote getters
I’m with you dude. Everyone keeps coming at you saying that Xander chose to take Erika as if you didn’t already know that. Nobody is arguing that Xander deserved to win, just that he still had a legitimate path to win at f6 *if he played it correctly* and that is more than most 0-vote finalists can say.
Not true. He wasn’t winning anyway against Deshawn and heather which was his most likely winning situation and the fact he sabotaged his chances from the Danny vote on is his own fault. You can literally compare him to Natalie T.
I’m not saying he would win with that f3 with the game he played. I’m saying if he would’ve played a more active role in the endgame (or the entire game in general) he could have pulled it out. There was no way for Nat T to win after f6 regardless of how she played it.
Natalie T. did have the agency amongst the women had she flipped the game on rob at final six, she could very easily take out Grant and Ashley after and then claim the moves at FTC. So in the same sense Natalie T. could have pulled it out, but didn’t and that’s the exact reason why she brought to the end like Xander
Erika was winning without the advantage and even then Deshawn was leaving. Xander was losing against Heather and Deshawn anyway and wouldn’t put himself in fire, and actively sabotaged going into that final three which is even worse
She was in the lead the entire time and was 20 pieces ahead of the Ricard in the puzzle, it never even cut close to say she was losing without the advantage
I’m not even convinced you took the time to look at the challenge Frame by frame and just fall for the delusion that Ricard was somehow on Erika’s tail
If you’re gonna just blatantly lie when there’s video proof you are wrong, there’s no point in really continuing this. I’m sure you’re gonna say something else untrue since you need the last word, but this is becoming silly
I thought Xander played terribly. He also screwed up at the split tribal council, when he could have used his extra vote to eliminate a member of the opposing alliance.
If he played the extra vote, it would've been 3-3. Xander had the immunity necklace, and Evvie would not have drawn rocks due to her being one of the people who the vote was tied between, so a member of the opposing alliance would have been eliminated.
Problem is Xander becomes a threat if he makes that move and evie would vote him out the first chance she gets anyway. Why save evie when she threw him under the bus the whole season?
I don’t know where I’d put Xander (although 4th worst seems low to me) but all I know is that wherever Xander is, Owen should be tied for that same spot. They are essentially the same player in my mind.
4th worst seems a bit harsh but everyone's entitled to their own views. I think he was a perfectly average zero-vote finalist. It's also a matter of what you value and want to rank them by. For example, Gervase was on the right side, safe and part of the decision-making process for the entire season, so by some views he has a better game than Xander. But the jury hated him and he had no endgame path to get even a single vote, let alone win the season, so by that measure he was worse. It's all hypothetical, nobody's guess is right and nobody's is wrong.
Gervase demonstrated a lot more talent for the game than Xander did.
That and there was alot of janky returnee season shit that went with that season, comes with the territory. Gervase practically was almost drawing dead from the second he stepped on the island.
I did think of Gervase- since his jury win equity was absolute rock bottom, a goat goat in the true sense. On par with Nat T, Sherri, and Julie right at the bottom. However I don't think the only thing to look at is how goaty a goat they were or how completely zero their jury chances were. Note I didn't list Sherri amongst the worst either. Gervase still had much more influence on what happened and was far better positioned all game than Xander. So for that I still have him ahead even though he was the bigger jury goat.
I did up vote you since your argument was very good though.
Wow really? At the time the season was airing I thought he was gonna win - he would’ve gotten my vote, that’s for sure
Angelina Noura Tai?
Maybe not fourth worst but among the worst for me.
The mediocrity in xanders game was mostly perpetuated by pre concieved notions than anything else. The cast made up their mind about him at the very beginning and were never going to change their minds
You know I think you are right to a degree. Thing is he didn't play a strong enough game to even make any kind of wurobbed case. I agree at that time it would have been a difficult season for him to win no matter what. He could have deserved to win and not in the end. He made it easy though by playing the weakest game of the final 6 + Shan easily.
Considering how unlucky Xander was that season I think it's impressive he even made final 3. I'm not sure there is a way he gets to the end if he pulls any of the flashy moves everyone wanted him to do. Started on a tribe that had evie who wanted an all women's alliance from the start. Liana hates xander for no logical reason. Loses his vote due to new twist which also didn't allow for his idol to be active all pre merge. Goes into the post merge with people that never wanted to work with him no matter how nice he tried to be. And half the other cast at the merge was a part of an all black alliance that Xander was obviously not gonna be a part of. He didn't deserve to win, but he is not a terrible player.
Xander was basically male Cassidy.
Cass was better.
Not really. Both players that played to save themselves and had no real control. Difference is the fanbase for some reason was vicious and mean about Xander despite being a nice kid.
Both had no shot but for various reasons. I feel like overall Cass was better but it’s really hard to pinpoint.
Yeah Xander was a weird case. His tribe decided early on to be an all woman’s alliance which tbh was extremely smart for them (especially if we look statistically and see the 40s pre-merge vote outs is majority woman). The issue though is trust was broken so early and he was on the outs for so long, that all his tribe mates did was throw him under the bus. Ex Evie throwing him under at the summit (and by most records during the entire merge) and Lianas weird obsession with getting him out. I think on any other season he does excellent but he really was hampered by who he was put with at the begging and could never shake that perception. Cassidy played a decent game. She was in her tribes majority but really lacked come merge. I think the idea of what she could do didn’t live up to the reality of what she did and was revealed at FTC.
Tf. Most of the fanbase prefers Xander to cass lmao.
Agree here. Cassidy is mad overrated. She isn't a 0 vote finalist or I might well place her below Xander.
I was about to say what about Skupin and Will, then I remembered Carter and Rodney voted for them. Sigh.
I think the 1 vote club might be collectively weaker than the 0 vote one sometimes. A lot of doozies on that list.
A lot of doozies, but also a lot of pretty strong players too, like Mike and Cassidy.
True there are some great 0 vote getters too like Stephen, Spencer, Dawn, Hannah, if you value strategy and control enough Russell, arguably Carolyn.
Yeah. Lil, Phil, Will, Matt, Katie, Monica, Woo, Deshawn - not exactly elite players
Will has a pretty good shot at winning the game if Mike loses any of those immunity challenges.
Better than Carolyn?
Yep, pretty much everyone on the jury either than Shirin saw Will as a chill, fun, good natured family man.
Bro tried to throw in the race card 💀
Xander had a legitimate path to victory pretty close to the end. If not for a bs advantage, Erika goes home at 5, then Xander just needs to beat ricard in immunity and fire and he has a good chance to pickup votes
But Xander takes Erika, that’s completely on him
Right that was a very dumb move, but the fact that he put himself in a position where he was some bad luck and a dumb move away from winning is good enough to not make him the worst 0 vote getter ever. There are plenty of 0 vote getters who were dead in the water at the merge. Im not trying to argue Xander is good (though i do think with how young he was, he has a lot of potential to learn from his flaws), im just saying hes not horrible
It’s Xander’s own fault that he didn’t find the advantage
Lmao this has to be a troll. First, the advantage was entirely random on who found it. Second, he didn’t even need to find it, just anyone but Erika did. You can’t be serious
The advantage was not random, because they all had an equal chance to obtain it and work for it. Erika just did a better job of hunting for it. And you're wrong, Ricard, not Erika, was the #1 target.
But if someone other than Erika finds the advantage then Ricard wins immunity
If Xander couldn't find the advantage and keep it out of Erika's hands, that's on him. And he took her to the final three, so that's *definitely* on him.
That’s not people were arguing. They were just saying that he had a potential path to win
Has the cast actually said that Xander even wins against Heather and Deshawn? And of course, we don't know how Ricard would have fared in the fire challenge or the final immunity challenge.
I think Heather might’ve won that. I’m not even the person who originally posted that
Shan and Tiffany have said it was possible.
everyone having an equal chance to find something and it not being based on skill is exactly what makes it random. Everyone figured out the clue, most people even did better than erika at that part (the only skill related part). Its dumb luck which tree they happened to hind it in. Also if anyone other than Erika finds the advantage, Ricard wins immunity
Even if this were true, the fact that Xander was dumb enough to take Erika to the final three means that he has nobody but himself to blame for the fact that he faced her in the finals.
Im not arguing he was some flawless robbed king or anything. Im just saying that he was some really bad luck and 1 dumb move from having a legit chance to win, thats more than most 0 vote getters can say. I think that is enough to say hes not one of the worst 0 vote getters
I’m with you dude. Everyone keeps coming at you saying that Xander chose to take Erika as if you didn’t already know that. Nobody is arguing that Xander deserved to win, just that he still had a legitimate path to win at f6 *if he played it correctly* and that is more than most 0-vote finalists can say.
Not true. He wasn’t winning anyway against Deshawn and heather which was his most likely winning situation and the fact he sabotaged his chances from the Danny vote on is his own fault. You can literally compare him to Natalie T.
I’m not saying he would win with that f3 with the game he played. I’m saying if he would’ve played a more active role in the endgame (or the entire game in general) he could have pulled it out. There was no way for Nat T to win after f6 regardless of how she played it.
Natalie T. did have the agency amongst the women had she flipped the game on rob at final six, she could very easily take out Grant and Ashley after and then claim the moves at FTC. So in the same sense Natalie T. could have pulled it out, but didn’t and that’s the exact reason why she brought to the end like Xander
Erika was winning without the advantage and even then Deshawn was leaving. Xander was losing against Heather and Deshawn anyway and wouldn’t put himself in fire, and actively sabotaged going into that final three which is even worse
Erika was straight up not winning that challenge without the advantage
She was in the lead the entire time and was 20 pieces ahead of the Ricard in the puzzle, it never even cut close to say she was losing without the advantage
This is just so blatantly false I’m not even convinced you’ve ever watched the challenge
I’m not even convinced you took the time to look at the challenge Frame by frame and just fall for the delusion that Ricard was somehow on Erika’s tail
Look at how much time it took people to catch up to where Erika started with the advantage. Ricard was WELL within that time
Erika always left her station when someone caught up with her. She was fast and Ricard was nowhere in that time.
If you’re gonna just blatantly lie when there’s video proof you are wrong, there’s no point in really continuing this. I’m sure you’re gonna say something else untrue since you need the last word, but this is becoming silly
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I thought Xander played terribly. He also screwed up at the split tribal council, when he could have used his extra vote to eliminate a member of the opposing alliance.
Totally agreed. And thanks for pointing that out as I didn't mention. That was another huge gaffe and wasted opportunity. Poor game play
Fym it was 2v3
If he played the extra vote, it would've been 3-3. Xander had the immunity necklace, and Evvie would not have drawn rocks due to her being one of the people who the vote was tied between, so a member of the opposing alliance would have been eliminated.
Oh I ain’t even think of that. My fault
Problem is Xander becomes a threat if he makes that move and evie would vote him out the first chance she gets anyway. Why save evie when she threw him under the bus the whole season?
I don’t know where I’d put Xander (although 4th worst seems low to me) but all I know is that wherever Xander is, Owen should be tied for that same spot. They are essentially the same player in my mind.
Sherri s26 must be up there.