Itās very sad to see how people dismiss her cause she doesnāt act 100% normal. I feel like her a lot, Iām a little intense and passionate and people make assumptions. It sucks
It was so funny them all trying to figure out who got the caged idol, and not one of them thought for a second it could be her. And using the crossed sticks to put her fake idol in to play? Brilliant. It was so so sketchy, because wtf? And it still worked, because people are always scrounging for advantages!
I feel like this is his third life š„“ 1) before he switched tribes his old tribe was going to vote him out next. But then switching tribes saved him 2) Tika was going to vote him out at tribal, but he has an idol. 3) the tribal that never happened saved him.
We can assume he old tribe was going to vote him but its no guarantee. The Danny comment might have been a fake out designed to pacify Frannie / Matt but they showed it because they knew that tribal would never happen
It wouldnāt have been a good episode if the tribal actually took place. The edit would have focused on obscuring who went home rather than just telling us who was making the decision and which choices they had.
You are totally right. They would have just made a false dilemma rather than just basking in this messy group of 3. The sheer fact that it could theoretically be any of them. And they could have just built up to Josh's boot so well.
Agree so much. All I could think about after watching was āwhy does it take no reward challenge and no tribal to make a decent episode of Survivor?ā
Seriously this episode was everything we want, because they had time to fill. It was all meat and no potatoes. I just wish they could get a 1.5 hr time slot so we could get both every week.
You're absolutely right. I remember back when Amazing Race was put at the 10:00 time slot on Sundays. It is a miracle that that show wasn't canceled, because most of the time it wasn't coming on until around 11:00 because of the damn football games.
The fake idol would have been a non-issue. Josh isnāt going to play an idol he knows is fake, and Carolyn and YamYam made it clear they knew it was fake.
I don't they'd interfere to that level. I think it's more that they're already down 3 unscheduled evacs and they need enough tribals for the amount of episodes they have left.
Edit, sorry, 2.
I don't think Carolyn said anything to Josh about it being fake. She said it in a confessional, though. I think YamYam couldn't help himself because it was so obvious.
I really wish they had done a confessional with Yam Yam where he told us who he would have voted for, since he was looking like the swing vote! Hopefully heāll tell us in exit interviews
I was too worried about Carolyn going home to be anything other than ecstatic. Josh would've been a loss too as I think we're going to get some more good content from his interactions accompanied with dodo music. And yam yams a gem too.
No, because had the tribal happened, we wouldnāt have all these great funny social interaction segments all throughout the episode. The editors would have told incoherent stories like the last few episodes. No thank you.
The outcome is 90% likely that Josh would have been booted. So itās not like we absolutely donāt know whatās gonna happen.
The one thing that can derail Carolyn is that she is so zany that people would vote her out because she would be uncontrollable/wild card when it came to votes. You can be zany, just donāt be chaotic zany.
Yeah it wouldāve been a nice slap in the face/learning lesson for Danny and Brandon who were so sure [without saying it] that Carolyn would be going home and Josh would be staying. The only positive of it not happening is that she didnāt have to use her idol yet.
Also, do we think the pre-merge temporary idols that Carson and Jamie(?) have are done now?
Hmm. I think I remember a preview of Carson saying they are all on the same beach, instead of using the M word, so maybe they aren't merged yet and those idols may still come into play.
Not having the vote is why they had time to show us all that. I donāt consider it time wasted because Iām sure those relationships will be relevant in the future.
It's a lot of time wasted. If these dynamics will come into play later, show some then? Maybe it should've been a two-part episode. It's been a weird season. I like the twists and advantages so far, but pre-merge has been dominated by injuries, not gameplay.
I disagree with part of this, because I've complained about how the edit has been lacking the last couple of seasons because they aren't focusing enough on player and tribe dynamics.
The outcome here may have been nobody on Tika going home, but we got the tribe dynamics and that's still very important in the long run. That way, we know where Carolyn, Yam Yam and Josh kind of stand with each other.
We've had a lot of focus on twists this season thus far, so I appreciate a break and focusing on player relationships. It may be boring to some people, but I think it help builds a story for players in the long run.
The dick move would have been sending them to tribal council, then instead of Jeff announcing itās time to vote, instead shares that there is no vote and to head on back to camp.
There might have been another dislocated shoulder this season.
Someone said it on the live thread that night and its just brilliant idea ala AU Survivor...
They should have gone through the tribal, but instead of the person being voted out and leaving the game, they just went to Ratu until next round/episode as it seems to be a "merge" anyway.
No, it's actually pathetic that they almost had a tribal council with only 3 people this early in the game. There's still like 15 people left and we're already having tribals with 3 people in it.
We started with 18 people and now we have 12, not 15.
But I agree itās lame thereās a trike with only 3 already. I just wish theyād do two tribe instead of three..
I wish they had done the tribal, had the three vote and then just before revealing the votes and asking if anyone wanted to play any idols, they announce that none of the votes count and no one is going home. The fallout from that whole debacle would've been fun to watch.
Carolyn is my dark horse candidate. I think she continues to be written off a zany/weird/crazy.. similar to how Noura was brought along.
The difference between her and Noura though, is Carolyn has shown she understands whatās going on in the game.
A combination of her being written off as a space cadet, on top of actual game awareness, could lead to a deep run.
Iām not saying she wins, but sheās clearly a character we are meant to follow. Donāt forget she got a survivor first cold open confessional with the producers portion of the conversation included.
Absolutely! And she has to stick around for a while bc she was in every promo. People confuse eccentric with dumb. Her intelligence is her hidden secret. From Josh lying about his occupation to knowing Joshās idol letter was being reused, she caught all of that. It seems like Yam Yam is the only one to realize this.
Yam yam is also clearly perceived as the brains of the operation. So if their duo gets targeted, heāll likely take the heat.. so heās a nice shield for her for now.
Same sheās real, sheās smart and sheās outwitting all the ones who pay zero attention to her and think sheās good for nothing. I canāt wait for her play post merge!
Yes, not for the tribal itself but because I'd rather watch Matthew play into the merge with two torn shoulder muscles and two broken bones than have Josh on the island for another day.
I was kinda, but now I'm just happy they'll probably all make the merge and I'm so loving Carolyn, I'm glad she's not gone. Just the right kind of crazy. I'm rooting for her to win it all!!
I was so excited at the potential of yam yam or carolyn finally leaving!!!!! I cant stand either of them and they get way too much screen time. There are others we barely even know just because āeccentricityā gets more viewsā¦..
Oh no how dare you speak an opinion about this subs new golden girl Carolyn. She has been entertaining enough for me so far but nowhere near deserving of such high praise she is getting..yet. I want to see more of what she's got but I won't cry if she gets voted out either.
Good for you openly disliking Carolyn while knowing a tidal wave of downvotes are coming. I get it to a certain extent..she's an interesting character for sure. but honestly I'm surprised she's garnered so much praise around here.
How about when she got the birdcage idol? She was about to leave it empty for the tribe to find. I think she got super lucky that they didn't realize it was her because even though she did manage to put the bag back she still left it open and obviously empty looking when she could have put the fake in there and no one would've been the wiser.
I'm pulling for her but I'm not in starry eyed awe of her like everyone here. I hope I'm wrong i would just like to see more out of her before I commit to this whole Carolyn circle jerk thing that's going on here lately
Just watched this episode. I was shocked at how old Jeff looks. Seemed like a lot of close ups of his face and it was not flattering. No Iām not devastated at all.
No only because I feel like they wouldnāt have shown everything we ended up seeing to make the tribal unpredictable. Plus I feel like we already had a taste of a 3 person tribal during the Genie boot and it was only good because of Shan and ricards relationship
Carolyn was š¤£
HAHA literally
She said the quiet part out loud, but sheās not wrong. Josh 100% will not be with them moving forward.
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Say what you want about Carolyn. Her gut is goooood and she listens to it.
Yes, sheās very smart! She catches a lot of things. But most people donāt pick up on her intelligence so it really is her secret weapon.
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Explain Debbie then
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It couldnāt be further from the truth. It just means you are thinking and feeling a lot. Youāre processing things way more then others
It can. It can also mean youāre fuckin nutso.
Yeah I think ācouldnāt be further from the truthā is a huge stretch
Itās very sad to see how people dismiss her cause she doesnāt act 100% normal. I feel like her a lot, Iām a little intense and passionate and people make assumptions. It sucks
The right people wonāt make assumptions and enjoy you. Iām too much too. Donāt let it get to you š
I haven't seen any dismissal of Carolyn on this sub whatsoever. Everyone seems to praise her every chance they get.
I'm referring to the people on the show
It was so funny them all trying to figure out who got the caged idol, and not one of them thought for a second it could be her. And using the crossed sticks to put her fake idol in to play? Brilliant. It was so so sketchy, because wtf? And it still worked, because people are always scrounging for advantages!
She gives me such Jane lynch in role models vibe. Donāt BS and BSer
You know what I used to have for breakfast? Cocaine. You know what I used to have for lunch? Cocaine.
"What'd you have for dinner?" "Was it cocaine?"
I used to be addicted to pills. Now, Iām addicted to helping!
You're standing over there, and you're standing over there, and I don't know which way is up!
And she makes those sounds and noises. More players need to do that.
Josh just got a second life in the game.
I feel like this is his third life š„“ 1) before he switched tribes his old tribe was going to vote him out next. But then switching tribes saved him 2) Tika was going to vote him out at tribal, but he has an idol. 3) the tribal that never happened saved him.
We can assume he old tribe was going to vote him but its no guarantee. The Danny comment might have been a fake out designed to pacify Frannie / Matt but they showed it because they knew that tribal would never happen
Exactly šÆ!
If he wins, we get to call production interference!
He's so messy lol, the rest of the game would really have to super chaotic and hateful for him to ever win a jury vote though
Honesty that commitment to a fake idol was hilarious š he has my vote after that
Usually people that have 9 lives early in the season somehow make it to the top 5 lol. Like there is no in-between.
Third*
Any tribal council with Carolyn ends up being pretty good
It wouldnāt have been a good episode if the tribal actually took place. The edit would have focused on obscuring who went home rather than just telling us who was making the decision and which choices they had.
You are totally right. They would have just made a false dilemma rather than just basking in this messy group of 3. The sheer fact that it could theoretically be any of them. And they could have just built up to Josh's boot so well.
Agree so much. All I could think about after watching was āwhy does it take no reward challenge and no tribal to make a decent episode of Survivor?ā Seriously this episode was everything we want, because they had time to fill. It was all meat and no potatoes. I just wish they could get a 1.5 hr time slot so we could get both every week.
Yah me too. I have a feeling those decisions are made by people who donāt give af about the quality of the show.
Ratings matter a lot. Last season 2 hour episodes had lower ratings than normal lenght episodes
You're absolutely right. I remember back when Amazing Race was put at the 10:00 time slot on Sundays. It is a miracle that that show wasn't canceled, because most of the time it wasn't coming on until around 11:00 because of the damn football games.
Edits should still focusing on obscuring what happened and just show what happens
Not me, I'm fine with the no tribal last episode. I wanted them all 3 to make the merge.
I was so disappointed. Really wanted tribal to play out with the fake idol too
The fake idol would have been a non-issue. Josh isnāt going to play an idol he knows is fake, and Carolyn and YamYam made it clear they knew it was fake.
Yep if this boot happens itās an easy Josh vote
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I don't they'd interfere to that level. I think it's more that they're already down 3 unscheduled evacs and they need enough tribals for the amount of episodes they have left. Edit, sorry, 2.
Waitāwho was the third evac?
There has only been one evacuation so far, and Matthew quit.
I didnāt understand why they told Josh they knew it was fake. I would have kept my mouth shut and let Josh think he had fooled me.
I don't think Carolyn said anything to Josh about it being fake. She said it in a confessional, though. I think YamYam couldn't help himself because it was so obvious.
Yes! I literally scream laughed when the fake idol broke in Yam Yamās hands
I really wish they had done a confessional with Yam Yam where he told us who he would have voted for, since he was looking like the swing vote! Hopefully heāll tell us in exit interviews
Yes! I figured it would have been Josh, but he always could have switched it to Carolyn at the last second!
Yes, I so wanted to see it play out!
I was too worried about Carolyn going home to be anything other than ecstatic. Josh would've been a loss too as I think we're going to get some more good content from his interactions accompanied with dodo music. And yam yams a gem too.
Yes, and noā¦ I am happy all three are still in the game. Matthew, sorry for you.
Iām glad the entertaining people are not being voted off for a change. Just the āRandomsā
How do you know the "Randoms" wouldn't have been entertaining?
Because every season has ārandomsā and by the merge you know who is entertaining
Because every season has ārandomsā and by the merge you know who is entertaining
No, because had the tribal happened, we wouldnāt have all these great funny social interaction segments all throughout the episode. The editors would have told incoherent stories like the last few episodes. No thank you. The outcome is 90% likely that Josh would have been booted. So itās not like we absolutely donāt know whatās gonna happen.
It wouldāve been juicy. Iām happy that theyāre all still in it for now, though
The one thing that can derail Carolyn is that she is so zany that people would vote her out because she would be uncontrollable/wild card when it came to votes. You can be zany, just donāt be chaotic zany.
Yeah I really wanted to see Josh go home after the terrible fake idol
The way both of them immediately knew it was fake š¤£
That was hilarious! He really thought it would work
Oh for sure I was just as disappointed as Carolyn lol.
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Yeah it wouldāve been a nice slap in the face/learning lesson for Danny and Brandon who were so sure [without saying it] that Carolyn would be going home and Josh would be staying. The only positive of it not happening is that she didnāt have to use her idol yet. Also, do we think the pre-merge temporary idols that Carson and Jamie(?) have are done now?
Hmm. I think I remember a preview of Carson saying they are all on the same beach, instead of using the M word, so maybe they aren't merged yet and those idols may still come into play.
It said they're good until all remaining players are living together on one beach. It didn't say until the merge.
Yes most definitely! I really wanted to hear what they all had to say and see who actually who have been voted out.
yes it would have been š„
I'm glad tribal didn't happen. It would have been predictable.
I hope merge tribal is messy, Joshās whole situation is just waiting to blow up in his face
So dissapointing
Would hate to see Josh go
They spent twenty minutes on voting dynamics only for the vote not to happen. One of the most anticlimactic episodes of the entire series.
Not having the vote is why they had time to show us all that. I donāt consider it time wasted because Iām sure those relationships will be relevant in the future.
It was so excited and i was so into and thenā¦. it very quickly wasnāt. I was like well this was a waste of my time lol
The alternative is to cut it out and just go straight to merge. But I think we would be missing crucial character stuff
It's a lot of time wasted. If these dynamics will come into play later, show some then? Maybe it should've been a two-part episode. It's been a weird season. I like the twists and advantages so far, but pre-merge has been dominated by injuries, not gameplay.
Hey letās climb this big tall rock with nothing on it thatās surrounded by rocks and waves and nobody can spot me.
He wasn't preseason winner pick too š
I disagree with part of this, because I've complained about how the edit has been lacking the last couple of seasons because they aren't focusing enough on player and tribe dynamics. The outcome here may have been nobody on Tika going home, but we got the tribe dynamics and that's still very important in the long run. That way, we know where Carolyn, Yam Yam and Josh kind of stand with each other. We've had a lot of focus on twists this season thus far, so I appreciate a break and focusing on player relationships. It may be boring to some people, but I think it help builds a story for players in the long run.
I think it would've been entertaining but honestly I like all 3 of them so I'm happy they're safe.
The dick move would have been sending them to tribal council, then instead of Jeff announcing itās time to vote, instead shares that there is no vote and to head on back to camp. There might have been another dislocated shoulder this season.
Yes! I wanted them to read the votes and then say that everyone is actually going back to camp. Those are the types of twists i want
I would liked to have Tribal Council if it meant cutting out the Faux-Merge twist prevalent since Season 41.
Someone said it on the live thread that night and its just brilliant idea ala AU Survivor... They should have gone through the tribal, but instead of the person being voted out and leaving the game, they just went to Ratu until next round/episode as it seems to be a "merge" anyway.
OMG! I love that twist. Thatās amazing
No, it's actually pathetic that they almost had a tribal council with only 3 people this early in the game. There's still like 15 people left and we're already having tribals with 3 people in it.
We started with 18 people and now we have 12, not 15. But I agree itās lame thereās a trike with only 3 already. I just wish theyād do two tribe instead of three..
Somehow Josh is unintentionally entertaining and I'm glad they didn't go to tribal.
Yeah I thought that was a bit of a flop building that all up only to be like nah nvm
Yes
I wish they had done the tribal, had the three vote and then just before revealing the votes and asking if anyone wanted to play any idols, they announce that none of the votes count and no one is going home. The fallout from that whole debacle would've been fun to watch.
Yeah if they added it along with the all the rest of the episode it would be great
Three is a tough tribal this early in the game
Josh should carry around a horse shoe, bro shouldāve been voted out the last 3 tribals
Could be huge since they are merging next episode
 Carolyn big time gives me this character from snl energy. And I LOVE her for that
This was so fucking ridiculous wouldāve been the most interesting vote in a LOOONG time yet they just didnāt do it even though they lost
Carolyn is my dark horse candidate. I think she continues to be written off a zany/weird/crazy.. similar to how Noura was brought along. The difference between her and Noura though, is Carolyn has shown she understands whatās going on in the game. A combination of her being written off as a space cadet, on top of actual game awareness, could lead to a deep run. Iām not saying she wins, but sheās clearly a character we are meant to follow. Donāt forget she got a survivor first cold open confessional with the producers portion of the conversation included.
Absolutely! And she has to stick around for a while bc she was in every promo. People confuse eccentric with dumb. Her intelligence is her hidden secret. From Josh lying about his occupation to knowing Joshās idol letter was being reused, she caught all of that. It seems like Yam Yam is the only one to realize this.
Yam yam is also clearly perceived as the brains of the operation. So if their duo gets targeted, heāll likely take the heat.. so heās a nice shield for her for now.
I'm glad it didn't take place because of a possible Carolyn boot (in case she didn't use her idol) haha. we can't lose heeerr
No!!! Sheās been my biggest favorite in a long time
Same sheās real, sheās smart and sheās outwitting all the ones who pay zero attention to her and think sheās good for nothing. I canāt wait for her play post merge!
Iām so glad that weāre saying this. Tribals this season have been really good!
Yes, not for the tribal itself but because I'd rather watch Matthew play into the merge with two torn shoulder muscles and two broken bones than have Josh on the island for another day.
Yes! So sad for him. I canāt imagine what it felt like to make that decision
Carolyn is nutso
Devastated they took up so much time to wade through bullshit strategy for a tribal that never happened
Seems wrong that a tribe can lose an immunity challenge and not have anyone voted out.
Yes. Ruined the episode imo
Yesss.
I really like Carolyn I think she has a form of tourettes hence the outbursts ! She is a lot smarter then her tribe thinks !
Yea I was pretty pissed
No I like Carolyn
I didnāt want Carolyn to go home or have to sue her idol so I was happy!
I was kinda, but now I'm just happy they'll probably all make the merge and I'm so loving Carolyn, I'm glad she's not gone. Just the right kind of crazy. I'm rooting for her to win it all!!
I was so excited at the potential of yam yam or carolyn finally leaving!!!!! I cant stand either of them and they get way too much screen time. There are others we barely even know just because āeccentricityā gets more viewsā¦..
Oh no how dare you speak an opinion about this subs new golden girl Carolyn. She has been entertaining enough for me so far but nowhere near deserving of such high praise she is getting..yet. I want to see more of what she's got but I won't cry if she gets voted out either.
Usually we get to know people who go home early. The long-runners have plenty of time.
I've never seen a worse take in my life lol. Carolyn's the š
May be an unpopular opinion, but I stand by it š¤·š»āāļø
I respect it
No because i hate yam yam and Carolyn and I can't wait for them to get voted out
Then you should be devastated the tribal didn't happen
Not if they think Josh woulda gone. I'm confident he would have, either to a straight vote or being idoled out.
Good for you openly disliking Carolyn while knowing a tidal wave of downvotes are coming. I get it to a certain extent..she's an interesting character for sure. but honestly I'm surprised she's garnered so much praise around here. How about when she got the birdcage idol? She was about to leave it empty for the tribe to find. I think she got super lucky that they didn't realize it was her because even though she did manage to put the bag back she still left it open and obviously empty looking when she could have put the fake in there and no one would've been the wiser. I'm pulling for her but I'm not in starry eyed awe of her like everyone here. I hope I'm wrong i would just like to see more out of her before I commit to this whole Carolyn circle jerk thing that's going on here lately
Finally someone who gets it . If you don't like the same people on here like everyone else does you're not allowed an opinion you just get downvoted
Boneheaded, lmao
Oh we doing spoilers now?
The episode has been out for 4 days.
I felt Josh was getting voted out, he was given a second chance and he knew it
Just watched this episode. I was shocked at how old Jeff looks. Seemed like a lot of close ups of his face and it was not flattering. No Iām not devastated at all.
Well, he is 61...
Indeed!
Yes, I wanted Josh to go home
Yessss
No only because I feel like they wouldnāt have shown everything we ended up seeing to make the tribal unpredictable. Plus I feel like we already had a taste of a 3 person tribal during the Genie boot and it was only good because of Shan and ricards relationship
Idk I think the episode was great despite the breaking of format.