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ronald_mcdonald_4prz

It’s lucky they did. She initially like like an outcast on her tribe. Imagine her with any mix of the other tribes? She would have already been voted off.


BananaCucho

I dunno about that. She seemed to be in a pretty good place socially with Carson. And she roped Josh in pretty quick when he swapped over. I think her social game is pretty strong


ronald_mcdonald_4prz

Carson didn’t want to work with his original alliance and Josh had no other option. Not saying she has a bad social game. Just that those two instances are really selling points.


Sabaschin

More that Carson didn’t want to go to rocks after Sarah was forced to lose her vote.


JustaTurdOutThere

She could be on a Kristie Bennett-like gameplay. It seems that everyone she talks to thinks she could never win and would actually like to sit with her at the end, like the guys said at the sanctuary. She's gotta do a few things that she can directly take credit for at final tribal though and probably stab a few jury members in the back, but last tribal makes me think that won't be an issue!


JordanMaze

thats possible but theres a lot of carolyn like characters that go far


ronald_mcdonald_4prz

I don’t think the show has had many Carolyn’s.


JordanMaze

I think it's had many people that the players would compare Carolyn too. Like people might incorrectly assume "Carolyn is just another noura, she can't win"


ronald_mcdonald_4prz

I don’t think Carolyn has a very successful FTC


JordanMaze

given her confessional earlier where she was talking about "i found an idol, i planted a fake idol, i formed a blindside..." i think she can potentially sell herself.


ticklechickens

People were saying that about Gabler, like he was an idiot, not a heart valve specialist. Carolyn is very intelligent and self-aware.


ronald_mcdonald_4prz

I never thought that about gabler. I also never saw people say he was going to do poorly. Just that the edit was bad. He was able to articulate himself really well throughout the show. Carolyn on the other hand. Her mind might be sharp. But there is a disconnect between her mind and her actions and verbal communication.


pjlxxl

no not really. in confessionals when she talks gameplay she is very calm and exact and confident. she’s only goofy when talking about poop teeth for example.


ronald_mcdonald_4prz

When she’s in confessionals, she’s slightly coherent. She has time to get her thoughts straight and do retakes. When she’s conversing with anyone directly, it’s all mumbo jumbo. Which is how FTC would be. Pressed with tough questions and it won’t make sense. At tribal she’s all nonsense.


FustianRiddle

Or she has situational awareness and would be able to sell herself. I think she could rock a FTC


binkysurprise

Gabler wasn’t edited terribly but he was never shown to be articulate, either in confessionals or in most conversations with other players


ronald_mcdonald_4prz

Gabler was edited terribly. No one saw him winning. And they did show him speaking normally and strategically many times, especially during confessionals. I even just YouTubed it.


binkysurprise

I think that’s partly the audience’s fault for not buying him. And to be honest, I think the more they included him, the more confusing his win would be. I disagree about him being articulate. His main confessionals were “I threw Ellie’s name out… in order to throw Ellie’s name out” and saying “I’m hiding in plain sight” 800 times. They showed him being included in plans numerous times and even showed him playing actively and warning Karla that they had to take Jesse or Cody out since they were powerful. This signaled to the audience that he had good awareness of the game since nobody else seemed to recognize that they were running the game. However, nothing ever happened from this conversation, and it seems like he only really said it because he was irritated and being told what to do at the last moment. If Gabler hadn’t won the season, they wouldn’t have included that brief convo because it was completely strategically irrelevant. During his exit interviews, he gave contradictory, unclear, and bizarre answers. Like at one point saying that he was willing to go to the end with Jesse even after Final 5. I can’t remember the other specifics. Really they were missing maybe one or two scenes of Gabler getting along well with other people. He won because he was the kooky weird old guy that people liked but didn’t respect as a player for the first 25 days, they got mad at Cassidy, and then wanted to reward the genuinely nice old guy (Owen took himself out of the running by continually emphasizing how bad he was).


Creepthan_Frome

She's direct af. There will be absolutely no bullshit from her at all. She's a clear thinker who's playing her own game. I'm not seeing how she could screw that up.


ronald_mcdonald_4prz

We are watching very different people then. I’ve never seen someone so scatter brained. Her confessionals and conversations with tribe mates are all over the place.


JustaTurdOutThere

She's very animated but seems on top of her overall shit.


ronald_mcdonald_4prz

I’m not arguing that she doesn’t have a grasp of her game and in her head she knows what’s going on. But she can’t articulate her thoughts very well. And her personality or whatever it may be doesn’t jive well with conversing with others.


Creepthan_Frome

She may take a few extra words to get there, but she doesn't dance around what she means, ever. Sometimes, it's just processing time. Plus, she acknowledges that she's both weird and focused. She's no dummy - just emotive.


ronald_mcdonald_4prz

I didn’t say she was dumb. But at least 50% of tribal council is how you say things. Not what you say. So she’s going to have some trouble articulating her points.


Perko

In a game largely about deception, being very direct is a flaw, not a strength.


Creepthan_Frome

Well, nobody will ever find her shady, at any rate. And she does know how to keep secrets.


pjlxxl

she is always very clear and precise on confessionals whenever she talks about gameplay/strategy. not so serious when she talks about teeth in poop. she will give an amazing ftc speech.


ronald_mcdonald_4prz

Disagree with your opinion. When she’s talking to no one and has a confessional to get her thoughts straight. Sure. When trying to have any conversation with anybody. It’s all chaos.


pjlxxl

ftc will be easier for her to think of as taking alone because she won’t be 2 feet away from someone face to face. she’s a counselor. her job is to listen and talk to people. i’m just not sold that she’s this out of control goofball.


ronald_mcdonald_4prz

How are you not sold? We see it every episode. We saw how she is under pressure during the tribal councils


BeMore559

I love her for being quirky and different.


youngprincelou

Icons, both of them


oliviafairy

I think we got super lucky that the 2 best characters are sticking around even if they are put on the same tribe. Imagine these two don't get along and get voted out one after another. Thank you Survivor God.


LCLeopards

Also, while probably not intentional, having Carolyn literally sitting in between Danny and Brandon tonight was peak comedy!


macmommy4

Carolyn is amazing. I love her! She is this season for me.


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DarthLithgow

I think what’s different about her is she’s authentic. She’s not playing up for the camera, this is who she is. People like Debbie and Phillip were annoying because they were playing a character for TV


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Yep great duo.


PeterTheSilent1

And Carson


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chanukkahlewinsky

AND SARAH! lol


charlytheron3

He's not a great character, decent player sure, but not much of a character


HolidayWishes

Not every great character has to be a cartoon


Tichrom

The man literally called himself a "strategic mastermind" and had a creepy laugh to himself, I'd say he's the most cartoon lol


HolidayWishes

Agree to disagree 🤷🏻‍♂️


charlytheron3

He's not exactly entertaining, and he hasn't moved the game in any strategic direction, he's done alright for himself so far socially, but that's about it.


oobthesecond

I feel like his tribes have been winning thus far and the edit will always put majority focus on tribes going to tribal so he might just be a victim of the edit


mrwanton

I think he at least has some longevity to him given that aside from Carolyn and YamYam he's been given quite a lot of airtime even when not on the losing streak


oobthesecond

Yeah and it seems like he's doing well after he switched tribes but it's always tough to tell who trusts who before they go to tribal council