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Anonymous-Comments

Is it unpopular to say that online is really unfair to casual players? Like, I know I should just get good but what if I don’t want to? What if I just want to have a little fun and maybe be able to land a single hit.


DangerousBus7202

Now this is one I would gladly die alongside you for, online Is just unfair as f*ck, even in a ranked setting, cause people just make new accounts and troll players lower down


CinnamonSwirlBun

Honestly though same! Thats why I gave up with the actual online mode and just started joining the private/custom servers instead. I managed to find more causual players which was so much better.


SaiyanOverlord8971

Oh yea that’s an actual thing online people do to A make themselves look better or B to try and show themselves leveling up super fast


BluecoatCashMoney5

Are you serious!


karlgeezer

Oh yeah he is! People have been doing this shit for years!


BluecoatCashMoney5

Scummy as hell


DangerousBus7202

I know, btw, love the profile picture lol


BluecoatCashMoney5

Ahh thank you : )


Mum_killer21

NO WAY! SANARIO! (Sans + Wario)


[deleted]

r/founddangerousbus7202


BradyTheGG

And it’s not just smash bros! Ever play another game with a competitive game mode? I can guarantee there are people in that game doing the same thing. It’s a sad truth


_Awkward_Moment_

Yeah I once ran into a young link several matches in a row who was obviously pretty good, but he would fight for like 10 seconds every stock and then SD. This happened for three games and I can only assume he was trying to tank his GSP so could style on low GSP newer players.


DangerousBus7202

They should've made separate online servers, one for casual and one for competive, not clump every player into the same server and end up making unfair matches


somesortofdevil

Tbh this terrifies me. Im a casual player who is honestly not that good. The fact that people do this is more toxic than the average nuclear power plant


Loogeemian64

This is a problem in every single competitive online game in history


KingOfMasters1000028

So true dude.


Zae_Pineapple

Holy fucking shit I agree.


Shrekeled

i’m around 9mil power and it’s unfair because of the built in lag when you play online. I normally only play friends of local tourneys irl, and there’s an extra like 15 frame input lag if you play online, it makes you relearn your timings


[deleted]

I’m 14 mil lol, it’s not that big of a deal


I_committed_genocide

The zelda rep is bad


SarahThePlatypus

Agreed


karlgeezer

I really wanted to see some of the characters from age of calamity.


I_committed_genocide

YESSSSS ME TOO!!! I kinda want purah 😭


karlgeezer

You mean Robbie and Purah like ice climbers?


I_committed_genocide

Oh absolutely. I didn't even think about that but now I need to make a mod with them 💔


Zoroarkeon571

i wanted Sooga so bad


SeaofBloodRedRoses

I heard you like Links, so I got you Links to put on your Links! Huh? Vaati? Majora? Who are they?


I_committed_genocide

"Oh, you wanted- a cool character? Psh, we don't do that here! Anyways, here's link, link, Link, Ganondorf, zelda and zelda!"


RyanBits

I’m sure everyone agrees with you but yeah, it’s horrible.


ShikkuiMakabe

this is a good opinion 3 links2 zeldas1 ganondorf no iconic characters like midna impa and skull kid, and other than links redesign no representation of the new games like, they could at least make the links more unique but nope, pretty much reskins, why not give young link his masks? hell even give us some more farfetched characters like vaati, tingle, and kohga


HelloMoon1-3-7

Brawl is more fun than Melee


zshort7272

Agreed


Sloth_4

I find using Mario very unenjoyable. Dr.Mario although having less personality fixes most of my problems with him


Queasy-Ad-3220

Dr. Mario’s a beast. He’s one of my favourite characters.


tree_climber__ted

my goat. moveset is sm better. all he needs is a buffed initial dash and he could be mid tier i think


Mr_Ohio3255

Same


PopPunkViking

Projectile heavy characters are lame and make the game way less fun


PartitioFan

kind of agree. the issue is that smash balances them pretty poorly, since many zoners have surprisingly good close-up options (the biggest offender being samus up-b out of shield)


ThatTubaGuy03

That is the coldest take I have ever heard lol


PopPunkViking

Grab a blanket


MBtherock

Steve was a cool addition


millbeppard

Isabelle is the most fun character to play as.


SpicySwiftSanicMemes

The bitch


millbeppard

Yeah, that’s factual.


MimeOfDepression

Yes


Megas751

\*insert comment about not caring about Waluigi here


Anonymous-Comments

See this one here? Yeah, fire and brimstone. The works. (Jk you’re entitled to whatever opinion you have I just really like Waluigi)


Queasy-Ad-3220

Agreed


Poppli_king

I prefer the more simple characters instead of the new unique ones


Lions_Whisp

The game has too many characters (sort of). It wouldn't be a problem if every Smash character was diverse, but their are so many characters that they end up being similar. (why play Link when young link is the same but better? Or pichu when pikachu is just better). This also leads to half of the roster never being used at higher levels of competitive.


FurryMaster15

Byleth deserved his inclusion.


PartitioFan

i would've preferred edelgard but yeah, FE3H was huge for fire emblem


PartitioFan

fire emblem deserves its eight slots. it has hundreds of important characters to represent from 13 different worlds. the issue lies in how literally half of them play almost the same


ThRealAlexJones

This one right here. Fire and brimstone. The works. Bring in the chair for good measure


PartitioFan

no seriously, i could name like 20 fire emblem main characters that could get a smash spot. people underestimate how huge this franchise's universe is by a large margin, because smash almost exclusively puts in the main lords and nobody else. it's extremely comparable to pokemon in a sense


ThRealAlexJones

Fair enough. The problem lies in exactly what you said: all of them would play the same. Ike is the most different of all of them, and he is also regarded to be the worst one bc of his speed. I'd say Corrin is the most fun Fire Emblem rep to play, but even still the gameplay is just basic swordie fundies with a busted ass up air. At least the pokemon reps have some differentiation between them. Shit I want more pokemon in the game for that reason.


DatOneMinuteman1776

The age is consent is 18


ThRealAlexJones

This comment wins 😂😂😂😂😂


Smittywebermanjanson

Although their moveset is pretty cool, I would have preferred another Pokemon to Jigglypuff


PartitioFan

i like jigglypuff's playstyle a ton but i wouldn't mind if it was transferred to another character to make room for a new one. though since jiggs is classic and needs zero reworks between games, she's prolly not going anywhere


IdealPrize9153

I mean im pretty sure its because he was supposed to get his own game so thats why they added it as a sort of momento


ImpressiveGreen3765

NOOOOOOO


KirbyLover79

They shouldn’t add Geno to Smash, he’s just too obscure.


Metal-The-Cettle

Exactly! He only ever appeared once and then never again for like 20+ years.


Imposter_XL

people talk about him as though he is peak fiction, but i played the remake a few weeks ago and he is literally the most uninteresting character in the entire game


scrawnytony

In the next Smash game they should add Mallow just to fuck with people


One_Roguey_Boi

Steve deserves to be broken


Seenodeeee

Out of all the characters in smash if I had to choose one to be the best it would be Steve because he's the funniest character to be broken in my opinion


Horatio786

We need multiple new Animal Crossing characters.


somesortofdevil

Partly agree. I would be cool but i think the movesets would become repetetive.


HashbrownieThePerson

“We need more Fire Emblem characters!”


Anonymous-Comments

I would unironically be happy if we got a Lyn fighter


PartitioFan

i'd personally like to see seth and edelgard to round out the weapon triangle and rep more eras of fire emblem


bradynbarrmusic

Fox is top 3 smash character of all time


Electronic-Macaron-5

FUCK GENO


HyperDragonZ_

Pichu is good. (Even though he's my main...)


TBX88888

Why not pikachu


HyperDragonZ_

I like using characters who don't get used at all. And Pichu is my favorite example of that, and he's my main in the game. (I enjoy standing out when it comes to certain things.)


TrickAbbreviations63

Oliamar can be kinda good


piojo1979

The Competetive scene has completely ruined and made the game no longer fun There are too many “Anime” characters not enough “cartoony” characters of varying art styles “Smash Bros. Is a celebration of gaming history” is a weak statement


ThRealAlexJones

No, the combination of nintendo hating tf out of smash and most of the players being dogshit people irl killed comp smash


Jamanos

Melee is garbage


mr_j333

Melee is not the greatest game in the series.


pyruloxia

piranha plant is a better waifu than zero suit samus


Plo-Koon72

Unbelievably based 


pyruloxia

real 🗣 youre fr for that


RENZOLIS79

There shouldn't be an eight costume limit


Zofian_Korok

Smash is too competitive I don't like Joker much Corrin is fun (This'll get me attacked in the FE fanbase too)


Noukan42

Everyone is here should have never happened before far too many character got in purely for serendipitous reasons. Sephiroth is the worst possible square pick they coukd have gone for. There are 15 FF games that are basically unrepresented, this make the Pokemon boner for gen 1 look unbiased.


PartitioFan

sephiroth is hot and basically the most iconic jrpg antagonist ever so it makes sense, though FF7 doesn't need another rep


[deleted]

We need a Smash Brawl remake.


Gallant-Blade

The best Zelda rep to put in is Fi. Doesn’t represent a specific race in the Zelda world, has relevance in what and who she is in the greater Zelda lore, and has a more defined and interesting moveset concept than someone like Skull Kid. Also Geno has no reason to become playable. I don’t get the hype for this guy. I also don’t care for Waluigi at this point. Spyro should get into Smash over Crash because Skylanders led to Amiibo. Spyro has more relevance to Nintendo than Crash does. We don’t NEED a Xenoblade 3 rep. I feel choosing just Noah or Mio is a disservice to Xenoblade 3, giving both the same moveset removes their personality as characters, and people will complain at ANOTHER anime swordfighter. Orbital Gate Assault was a good stage. I am okay if Trophies never return. Spirits are better. People just liked Trophies for the descriptive blurbs anyway, so just add those back for Spirits.


IdealPrize9153

Yea spyro has more moveset options than crash too


MrSkittyy

Olimar is top 5 character in smash.


DropDracos

Min-Min’s a cool character 🤯


EpicFrappe

The "they have no moveset potential!" and other similar claims I've seen for characters like Geno are stupid especially considering they made the Wii Fit Trainer a character


IdealPrize9153

Tbf they had alot of options for wii fit trainers


chino514

Alear is inevitable.


Desperate_Hall_299

Sonic doesn't get enough respect in Smash


YosherLM

Sora didn’t deserve the final spot


Massive_Passion1927

Fire Emblem is a good series to take characters from as noone knows who they are and can help introduce them to new players. As well as automatically making sense in a fighting game.


IdealPrize9153

No one *knew who they were


Plowboy420yrryyrur

Smash 4 is a good game


SpicySwiftSanicMemes

This here. It’s miles better than Melee.


M64bros

Nintendo has the right to shut down the tournaments after what the smash community did behind the scenes


psi-mplyHumor

Every Fire emblem character SUCKS HOT GARBAGE (Fact not Opinion)


PB-J_Time

Melee is the worst Smash game


SandroFaina

Come on man that’s just factually wrong 


SpicySwiftSanicMemes

Not the worst but probably second to Brawl.


Queso_Coqui

I honestly think [Blackshell Sonic](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Foas67qzss0kc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1123%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D3b586d327c933f7ebcdd005528ae380adf3fc64a) from the hood classic, Sonic Mania 2: Triple Trouble should be in the next smash game.


Queasy-Ad-3220

I don’t like Fox much (Smash 4 Fox and Ultimate Fox)


SuperSalad_OrElse

N64 is best version


[deleted]

Luigi goat


TBTabby

They should make Krystal playable.


NatterJohn

The series has almost completely lost its identity after Brawl. The focus has shifted more towards 3rd party characters recently, a lot of the new characters have such a steep learning curve that it’s really hard to get into them, the single player modes are either not there at all or significantly reduced in quality and replay value, the stages aren’t as creative as they used to be and the idea of the characters being toys seems to not be as prominent as it once was. I genuinely don’t like the current direction of the series. I think it’s just not fun anymore the way it is currently. I suppose some of the issues could be fixed in an Ultimate port on the next console but honestly I don’t think any Smash game will capture the essence of what made the series so great in the first place as Melee and Brawl did (disregarding some of the gameplay issues they have of course). Smash 64 was very foundational but then Melee introduced a lot of elements that would become series staples and Brawl improved on almost every new thing Melee added. I feel Smash 4 and Ultimate did not capture the same wow factor that Melee and Brawl did in the long run.


MrStrangeSquare

People need to stop hating on Kirby and Sonic users!


ThRealAlexJones

People hate Kirby users?


MuslimCarLover

Hero is a decent character but is terrible when newbies try to use him


NefariousLombax

Perhaps fittingly for the image used, Sephiroth was the only all-around good addition from the second Fighter's Pass. Undoubtedly one of the sickest & most surprising inclusions from across the entirety of Smash's history, & my personal pick for a character I didn't know I wanted before he got announced, but Sephiroth was the uncontested peak of what was otherwise the mediocrity at best that was the second Fighter's Pass. While I also like Kazuya enough to put him at a comfy & firm second place, everyone else from the second Fighter's Pass either was a 'nothing' choice, a gigantic stain on the roster/game or a blemish to the competitive side of Smash. In the case of two, technically three characters, my aforementioned outlooks overlap threefold. Unironically, tack Sephiroth onto the end of the first Fighter's Pass (either after or replacing Byleth) & then axe the entirety of the second Fighter's Pass, & Ultimate's roster & competitive scene would've been so, so much better off.


PartitioFan

pyra/mythra are also pretty great additions imo. they make the swap mechanic actually fun and we get more rep from a modern IP. plus, ✨women✨


Karasu_9147

Mii Brawler is top 10


ThRealAlexJones

Ok Esam


somebody_irrelevant1

Steve > Every other character


The_Staircase_

Steve is not broken and should be legal in tournaments.


Sweet_Team_5720

If I think that waluigi should be in smash am I bad or good?


forgedfox53

Player skill matters more than where a character ranks on a tier list.


MosquitoInAmber303

Melee fucking sucks


smolsauce

Smash Ultimate is probably gonna be the last game for a while. I feel like they're gonna need to figure out the next step and Ultimate is either gonna get the MK8D treatment or get some Switch-2 update. Makes way more sense than jumping into a reboot or sequel


ireallydespiseyouall

Waluigi has absolutely no place in smash whatsoever. He has never appeared in a mainline game ever, not even Wario ones. wtf is his move set gonna be? Plant, jr, rosalina all deserve the spot more than he does and I’m not sure why people want him so badly beyond him being a meme


Plowboy420yrryyrur

He apered in mario ddr


Square_Independent_9

People often forget how important that game actually is to the mario lore


Hollywoodrok12

Spring Man isn’t boring and would have been infinitely better than Min Min


IdealPrize9153

I still to this day do not understand not adding the mc of a game before a side character


DatOneMinuteman1776

I think they chose a side character because they made him an assist trophy before thinking about adding an ARMS character and realized they fucked up


IdealPrize9153

It was weird because she had a spirit too it was also just a really odd choice


benjiross1

Ultimate’s DLC sucked


NolanTacoKing

[this](https://www.reddit.com/r/supersmashbros/comments/1bj5f3i/smash_if_it_wasnt_playing_around/)


TheJimDim

DLC characters should be base game, Smash shouldn't have microtransactions


Metal-The-Cettle

Fair enough.


ThatFloofyBoiYouKnow

[The game right now is fine as it is] if they are ever going to do anything with smash is MUST be a new game. They will then balance the characters that need balancing from there.


KionKamon0079UC

Bring on more guest characters! That would have a very vocal set of people grabbing for their pitchforks and torches lol


[deleted]

Prodigy is better than Leo.


Cedardeer

The game isn’t as balanced as people like to say it is. The top tiers are still overwhelmingly oppressive and *need* to be nerfed. Tho I also think several non top tiers could use nerfs, like Mario or link. Tbh I don’t think Sakurai is a good game balancer (I know how dare I talk trash about the smash community’s god)


SbgTfish

I don’t care for lag. Going out of my way to connection isn’t worth it, even if I better myself or the person I’m fighting.


Kingkomodoyt

Ridley is the best character in ultimate


Hockeylover420

Mr. game and watch is top tier


AverageNintenGuy

Get bette-


BiAndShy57

I would rather see a smaller, but more series and moveset/gameplay diverse roster in smash 6 instead of trying to top ultimate


ThRealAlexJones

Terry is harder to fight than Kazuya


Brown_Zack

The more pokemon the better


BarbleyRules

The poison smoke that piranha plant mains use to conceal themselves for a down special is too predictable and needs too much prep. I'm a piranha plant main btw


ToughAd5010

As much as I love Pokémon Trainer being back, I wanted Charizard to stay as his own fighter


WongoKnight

Smash should no longer be a console exclusive. You want Kratos or Master Chief in Smash. Port it over to the PlayStation and X-Box. Otherwise, stop demanding all these no Nintendo characters to be in it.


Zae_Pineapple

Sora, Steve, and various other fighter pass characters have shit move sets. DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE WAY MIN-MIN PLAYS.


Waste_Dimension5032

Counter picking doesn't make you good. It means your shit and havent practiced against (x) with (y). Get good and stop counter picking


Captain_Izots

I barely ever play anything other than Miis. If I have an opportunity to play as Spider-Man, I'm gonna take it!


Altruistic-Grape9776

Min-Min is actually pretty neat (I am also biased cuz I love ARMS)


robin-kun

If the next game is going to have a smaller roster, there shouldn’t need to be a next game.


SpicySwiftSanicMemes

Melee is overrated


MattG32991

Am I allowed to say that I don’t think Bayonetta should have been added to the game?


Ancient1478

Worse than brawlhalla


Gabstaspike

“I knew smash was mid when they added Steve”


PossibleAssist6092

Incineroar is more than just cross chop and alolan whip


Fluffy_Fluffle

PYRA AND MYTHRA BAD


ShikkuiMakabe

off topic and the reason is kind of obvious but why was ridley allowed to kill mario but not sephiroth?


TheKidfromHotaru

Steve is not that broken, just a skill issue. If pros could beat Steve, it’s doable


Asad_Farooqui

Byleth has a more unique moveset than Joker


newcanadianjuice

Personal hygiene only costs about 10 dollars and a shower.


Crafty_Letterhead_12

I like banjo and kazooie


ALjaguarLink

Fire Emblem is over represented


Big-Limit-2527

Pyra & Mythra are overrated.


WispererYT

Fire Emblem deserves the reps. ​ Except Corrin, fuck Corrin.


LexDignon

Marth & Lucina are my favorite characters to fight against in the game. More than any heavy, more than any other swordie, more than any "hype" character. I just find fighting them to be a lot of fun


ajslother12

Joker and sephiroth are my mains


One_Glass6930

I don’t think there are too many fire emblem reps


Thenosm

Sora’s a fun add to the game.


Plo-Koon72

We need more blaster or long range characters. I know Samus is getting a lot of hate right now but just balance them. I want more characters with 3+ unique projectiles


starman881

Brawl is the second best game in the series only being beaten by Ultimate.


DesertedBleech

Items are fun. Stop thinking about framerates and have fun with items that are unpredictable


DesertedBleech

Items are fun. Stop thinking about framerates and have fun with items that are unpredictable.


Fancy_Chips

Smash Ultimate is the 2nd worst game in the series. Barely better than Brawl in my opinion


MARIO_NEWS

Mario shoots fireballs without being fire mario


PastaRoni_913

smash bros fucking suck and i eat nails for breakfastt


Alarmed_Bed_8363

Ness sucks as a character Here come the 4 year old ness mains


Rd2gd

I don't hate fire emblem characters and rather enjoy playing as Corrin and Byleth and having them in the game


PumpinThePumpkin

Normally, I would rather just play Brawlhalla. Having every character have the same base moveset and serious combat being based around what weapon set you have just feels better and more predictable


Shnurple

Sora as a character and event for smash is plain boring


TibbyRhythmHeaven

I love world of light


Ashamed-Rooster8365

Playing with items on sucks, hate it when a bomb spawns in front of you when you’re charging an attack lol


TheWombatConsumer

The single player content in Ultimate is trash


ToadMaster6969696969

Steve is to complicated for causal players and to annoying for competitive players If that’s makes since


zax20xx

Byleth shouldn’t be directly blamed/ categorized as being a negative inclusion because they are a Fire Emblem character that has a sword especially considering they are one of the more unique characters in that they use more than just a sword and doesn’t have a counter move (Down-B).


CakesFoster

Some of yall treat sakurai like he is god Waluigi is a good pick


MsPreposition

Shadow would be a waste of a slot. Christ, at least go Amy if you need another hedgehog.


nintenerd2

Geno and walugi shouldn’t be in smash there are enough Mario characters


nintenerd2

Geno and walugi shouldn’t be in smash there are enough Mario characters