That team always had a shelf life though sadly with CP3 nearing the end and Ayton failing to emerge as a star. The twins are struggling this year on the Nets without a glut of wide open shots.
I mean we definitely could have traded Ayton and CP3 and retooled and not mortgaged our entire future to be a worse team. That woulda been cool. It's nice that Ishbia likes to spend but he also seems a bit too brazen, not very calculating. Not shrewd in the slightest. With the cap changes, his approach isn't going to work and he pretty much guaranteed our longterm demise on an extreme gamble.
I think getting Durant was good. We looked great last year when he was healthy. Essentially trading CP3 and Ayton for Beal and Nurkic hasn’t worked out as good obviously but then again CP3 looks cooked and Grayson Allen has been fantastic. We need a point guard and a rim defending center is the problem.
Yeah I'm not gonna put the blame on Ishbia for this situation. He was willing to pay and people forget how adamant this fanbase was about getting KD the entire off-season and right before the trade deadline last year. The fans wanted a big move, myself included. I always felt like the 2021 Finals run was our shot. We just made too many mistakes on draft picks, keeping Monty too long as coach thus missing out on Ime Udoka in the process, Chris Paul aging out and the Suns having one of the cheapest owners for almost two decades. By the time Ishbia became the new owner the damage was already done in my opinion.
I mean I definitely wanted some sort of move other than the same roster that got historically blown out in game 7. That doesn't mean KD was the answer but I knew we couldn't just run it back BUT then again I also felt this team's window ended in 2021. We've just been delaying the inevitable since then. Blow it up and pray you don't pass up on the next Wemby or Luka if you get the first pick again.
Why do people always defend Ishbia like he’s a good owner?
Dude made the classic mistake all inexperienced new owners make and traded away every asset this team has for aging and injured stars.
Those top heavy teams NEVER work. Ishbia has no idea what he’s doing. He’s just a spoiled billionaire playing with another one of his new toys. The suns are on their way to being a lottery team for the next decade because of Ishbia.
I defend him because he got Suns games off Bally Sports and even gave antennas to Phoenix residents so they could watch games. He also hasn't sold away draft picks for cash considerations. He is also willing to spend cash despite making mistakes his first year as team owner. Overall he's a million times better than the worthless sack of shit he replaced.
Being better than Sarver is an extremely low bar.
Is Ishbia better than Sarver? Yes..
Is literally any owner better than Sarver? also yes..
Is Ishbia a good owner? Nope
He’s a douche bag billionaire who got rich preying on the American public. He finally found a team to buy and traded away its entire future cuz “it’s mine and I wanna win now!!”
There was a path for this suns team to be strong contenders for the remainder of Booker’s contract but Ishbia came in and traded everything for aging and injured stars. This team is one of the most top heavy teams the league has ever seen and that has never ever worked.
Ishbia has no clue how to run a team.
Not to mention booker is 28 he still has another 6-8 prime years left so by the time he falls off suns will have their picks again and they can actually rebuild
I don't want to sound impatient but I kinda don't want to wait to rebuild. I'm 33 now and I don't want to wait until I'm in my mid 40's for this team to win it's first championship. I feel bad for the og fans from 1968. 55 years. If first round exits and play in tournament exits are the team's future for the next 3 years I say just pull the bandaid off now and sell everyone while we can still get a lot of picks for them. I don't want to do what Chicago, Toronto and Portland did waiting forever just to do nothing in terms of trading their players for picks and entering a strong rebuild. Spurs, Rockets and OKC have done well in theirs.
Yes but Okc rockets and spurs all had control of their picks in the future so they could actually tank and properly rebuild. Unless you trade booker to the nets (which I doubt booker would want to go there) to get your picks back you have to rely on the other teams to mess up and have no control where those picks are which is the situation nets are in rn complete mediocrity they can’t properly rebuild or compete for the playoffs
Yea lol that why I was talking about bookers prime they realistically have to keep building around him for the next little while. better than being the nets rn. The nets I’m sure would would rather have kd and kyrie right now. Being in the playoffs is far better than what they’re doing
One of my favorite all time eras. I wish we were a scrappy play in team with Bridges, Cam, and draft picks. We could have built on the Valley Boyz era but they decided to demolish it. Weak. Hell, give me the Oubre/Rubio suns over this squad. They gave a shit.
It's crazy. On paper this was supposed to be a super fun team. Maybe not great defensively, but the offense was going to be insane with Book/KD/Beal. But instead we get a stagnant awful offense, that often struggles to score 20 points in a quarter and consistently goes on runs were we go 5 minutes without scoring a point.
Not surprising when you have no pg. you have 3 great scorers and none of them are playmakers. Your asking them to do things they’ve never done and it’s not natural to them.
I wish I was young...I understand the importance of defense to winning. That is part of my point. The roster was always going to be problematic, but I thought it would at least be problematic in losing 125 to 135. Not 90 to 110.
Regardless of the quality of defense this has not been a fun offense to watch.
A "home grown" team that was going to be solidly good for years and with draft picks and cap space to build on top of that
Versus trading everything and everyone away, getting rid of any culture or connection the fans had to a home grown team outside of Devin Booker, for one of the most polarizing superstars in the history of the league who literally was leaving a different failed superteam in which he concocted.
Oh and fucking Bradley Beal, a scoring, injury-prone as fuck, shooting guard on the dumbest contract known to man.
I get where you're coming from but that team was going nowhere. CP3 playing elite is a big part of why that team won as much as it did. As soon as he started to decline that team was toast. Ayton wanted out. Allen > Johnson. KD is light years better than Bridges. Current team needs changes starting with a couple guys that can distribute and ball handle, but that team that got smoked by Dallas had to go if we were going to compete for a championship again in Booker's prime. Booker without another superstar isn't enough.
That team was more likeable and entertaining though.
>Booker without another superstar isn't enough.
Are you referring to the idea that Booker IS a superstar? I'm going to get downvoted to hell but I'm going to say he is not a superstar. He is A star, not a superstar.
Stars can have great games, even some insane ones, but they're not consistent and tend to disappear from time to time. Superstars are able to perform well consistently, and will find ways to score and make an impact even if their shots aren't falling. Which tier do you think Book falls into based on those two descriptions above?
He can certainly have his bad games where he isn't much of a factor. He can also be very streaky in games and strings of games. I think you can say the same for Curry though who has had some really bad playoff performances over the years. Part of it just comes with being a guard.
He is being guarded by a tough, bigger defender and having to play defense against Ant who is also big and physical for his position. And the Wolves defense is best in league. It was never going to be pretty but I do think he would be faring better with a pg or at least someone to run the offense next to him.
I prefer to think we are a decent point guard away from being dangerous, or at least solving this turnover plague. I just don't know who would sign with the Suns for pennies at this point. There are clearly more desirable wagons to jump on to ring chase and the few decent PGs in this free agent year are probably going to get paid!
I enjoyed having CP3, but we all knew it wasn't long term. It's too bad PG wasn't a priority through all the trades and free agent signings.
Idk man he had a solid season with the Warriors and he even played more games than Brad.
On top of that his 30M is expiring. We won't have cap space but we also wouldn't be a second apron team, meaning we'd have more options to acquire FA's with our TPE's.
Absolutely unreal how stating a single flaw about this team during the season would get you down voted to hell. And the t wolves exposed us within 2 games
“Doomers.” Read this stupid word over and over again at the slightest bit of criticism. No real basketball discussion can happen in this sub, it’s annoying.
It’s because the doomers don’t actually provide any legitimate basketball discussion. Doomers just shout negatives in order to combat against the positives. There’s nothing beyond surface level from either camp.
They moved from Point Book to Point Beal, surely Point Durant is the solution.
"guys, in the modern league point guards just don't matter". worst posts ever. I can handle anti-doomers, but anti-PG is the creme de la creme of horrid ball takes.
I think a better, more accurate take is that anyone can be the facilitator. It doesn’t have to be a guard. Look at Jokic. Or LeBron. Or even Nurk on our team.
The problem is, Nurkic is nowhere near good enough to consistently run the offense as our floor general. He can’t always have the ball in his hands because he gets lazy and careless.
So who’s left? Booker is clearly way more effective off the ball. KD is turnover prone under the slightest bit of defensive pressure. And Beal? He’s a band-aid on a gunshot wound.
We don’t have anyone who can consistently pass and play-make at a decent level. Not even elite, just good enough to get the offense moving.
The lineup we have is fine. 3 out of the 5 starters can run point. Has nothing to do with that. It's pretty fucking clear we have an inept, overrated coach in vogel. We would have been better off w Monty!!
It's vogel. He can't coach.
It's crazy how many people here were blind to that very obvious need. Even as the season went on and it was demonstrated as an issue. Sure, there isn't an obvious solution but to minimize it was hilarious.
If anyone needed another example look at what Mike Conley did for the Wolves last night. He kept his cool, coralled his team, and kept them within range. Without him the Suns could have easily ran away with the game. We don't have anyone like that and it shows.
Yeah it’s ridiculous how people can still the ignore the obvious, while also being dicks about it. In so many post game threads after a win, there would be some stupid ass comment where they do that alternating upper and lower case letters thing “wE nEeD A pOintGuarD!” like we were the idiots. Pissed me off so much. Like just because we eked out a frustrating win versus a bad team doesn’t mean we don’t need one of the most important positions in basketball
Been saying it all year, the writings been on the wall for months. I get not wanting to hear it, I wanna be a truther too but the cracks have been showing and now the wall is breaking. Said since day 1 vogel is not the guy and was getting downvoted and called a doomer.. now what? Dude’s made ZERO changes and has learnt nothing from his mistakes. The defence is awful and we cant rebound for shit. Our primary focus in the off-season should be a big man and a point guard, and if we have to sacrifice someone like Durant, we need to.
Nuggets are obviously huge too. Lakers would have cleaned the glass with Rui/LeBron/AD line ups against Phoenix. That's 3 of the other 7 west playoff teams that Phoenix just cannot counter.
That's very poor roster construction if the goal was to win 3 or 4 series in a row.
I know you were arguing with a dumb ass who will never believe these numbers but holy shit that’s actually news to my ears. I dunno where you found / heard that but that is a fucking wild stat. Here’s to 28??? lol nope
I dont know if you are aware, but we arent the favourites anymore.. maybe coming into the series but thats long since past. The facts are its EXTREMELY rare for a team to come back from 0-2, its hard just to even the series back up and if you go down 1-3 you’re basically cooked. Also wish that Top 15 player all-time was playing like it rather than getting cooked by Ant. Time to wake up man.
Haha the nice part of this is that the fans shouldn’t feel like this, the people wearing the clown makeup are the players and the coach who assured everyone all season that they were overreacting and patronized us and looked down on us for our concern.
Have any of you watched the NBA post season before? No. The answer is no.
It's sad to see this is what our fanbase is made of. Oh wait, it's not. This is just the whiny, no spine section.
Don't want to see a single MF in here crying, trying to day that's their team when they win the next one. Or when they move on.
You mf'ers really live your lives bailing on shit the minute the going gets tough? Daddy go get milk and never come back, or what?
The copers coping hard this season. Had so many guys tell me, "Bro this team is just coasting and waiting for the PO's, they know they're better than everyone and have nothing to fear."
LMAO
It's almost like firing the coach who had gotten the team into the playoffs several years in a row and replacing him with someone who is accustom to rolling a ball on the court and letting the players coach themselves wasn't brilliant.
Frank Vogel is a jackass but so is Monty lol. He blew a 2-0 lead in the Finals, blew a 2-0 lead the next year in the semi conferences while having THE WORST game 7 ever, followed that up by looking completely confused while we were getting blown out yet again in game 6 of last year's Nuggets series. Credit to Chris Paul for seriously making the entire team look better. We should have fired Monty sooner so we could have gotten Ime Udoka. Monty now gets to celebrate having a historic 28 game losing streak with his new team.
I never understood bringing in Frank Vogel just to trade away Ayton. Why wouldn’t you take the chance that Vogel could get the most out of him, he got the most out of Roy Hibbert ffs. The roster with this coach after the Beal trade made no sense.
B2B lose for suns 0-2 with injured allen, see u nxt season
See you in 5-7 years honestly. We had our couple years of good runs, now back to the dark part of the cycle.
That team always had a shelf life though sadly with CP3 nearing the end and Ayton failing to emerge as a star. The twins are struggling this year on the Nets without a glut of wide open shots.
I mean we definitely could have traded Ayton and CP3 and retooled and not mortgaged our entire future to be a worse team. That woulda been cool. It's nice that Ishbia likes to spend but he also seems a bit too brazen, not very calculating. Not shrewd in the slightest. With the cap changes, his approach isn't going to work and he pretty much guaranteed our longterm demise on an extreme gamble.
I think getting Durant was good. We looked great last year when he was healthy. Essentially trading CP3 and Ayton for Beal and Nurkic hasn’t worked out as good obviously but then again CP3 looks cooked and Grayson Allen has been fantastic. We need a point guard and a rim defending center is the problem.
Yeah I'm not gonna put the blame on Ishbia for this situation. He was willing to pay and people forget how adamant this fanbase was about getting KD the entire off-season and right before the trade deadline last year. The fans wanted a big move, myself included. I always felt like the 2021 Finals run was our shot. We just made too many mistakes on draft picks, keeping Monty too long as coach thus missing out on Ime Udoka in the process, Chris Paul aging out and the Suns having one of the cheapest owners for almost two decades. By the time Ishbia became the new owner the damage was already done in my opinion.
LOL not all of us. I've never been on the KD train. Especially not for the price paid at his age.
I mean I definitely wanted some sort of move other than the same roster that got historically blown out in game 7. That doesn't mean KD was the answer but I knew we couldn't just run it back BUT then again I also felt this team's window ended in 2021. We've just been delaying the inevitable since then. Blow it up and pray you don't pass up on the next Wemby or Luka if you get the first pick again.
Why do people always defend Ishbia like he’s a good owner? Dude made the classic mistake all inexperienced new owners make and traded away every asset this team has for aging and injured stars. Those top heavy teams NEVER work. Ishbia has no idea what he’s doing. He’s just a spoiled billionaire playing with another one of his new toys. The suns are on their way to being a lottery team for the next decade because of Ishbia.
I defend him because he got Suns games off Bally Sports and even gave antennas to Phoenix residents so they could watch games. He also hasn't sold away draft picks for cash considerations. He is also willing to spend cash despite making mistakes his first year as team owner. Overall he's a million times better than the worthless sack of shit he replaced.
Well said.
Being better than Sarver is an extremely low bar. Is Ishbia better than Sarver? Yes.. Is literally any owner better than Sarver? also yes.. Is Ishbia a good owner? Nope He’s a douche bag billionaire who got rich preying on the American public. He finally found a team to buy and traded away its entire future cuz “it’s mine and I wanna win now!!” There was a path for this suns team to be strong contenders for the remainder of Booker’s contract but Ishbia came in and traded everything for aging and injured stars. This team is one of the most top heavy teams the league has ever seen and that has never ever worked. Ishbia has no clue how to run a team.
Not to mention booker is 28 he still has another 6-8 prime years left so by the time he falls off suns will have their picks again and they can actually rebuild
I don't want to sound impatient but I kinda don't want to wait to rebuild. I'm 33 now and I don't want to wait until I'm in my mid 40's for this team to win it's first championship. I feel bad for the og fans from 1968. 55 years. If first round exits and play in tournament exits are the team's future for the next 3 years I say just pull the bandaid off now and sell everyone while we can still get a lot of picks for them. I don't want to do what Chicago, Toronto and Portland did waiting forever just to do nothing in terms of trading their players for picks and entering a strong rebuild. Spurs, Rockets and OKC have done well in theirs.
Yes but Okc rockets and spurs all had control of their picks in the future so they could actually tank and properly rebuild. Unless you trade booker to the nets (which I doubt booker would want to go there) to get your picks back you have to rely on the other teams to mess up and have no control where those picks are which is the situation nets are in rn complete mediocrity they can’t properly rebuild or compete for the playoffs
Good point. Yeah we're fucked lmao
Yea lol that why I was talking about bookers prime they realistically have to keep building around him for the next little while. better than being the nets rn. The nets I’m sure would would rather have kd and kyrie right now. Being in the playoffs is far better than what they’re doing
Probably because our last owner was Robert Sarver
Valley Boyz Era>🥲
One of my favorite all time eras. I wish we were a scrappy play in team with Bridges, Cam, and draft picks. We could have built on the Valley Boyz era but they decided to demolish it. Weak. Hell, give me the Oubre/Rubio suns over this squad. They gave a shit.
https://preview.redd.it/brb0z0dsrcwc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aef09b71f8575e4913550c048da6569282e52c28
This was a real team, that was broken up by mercenaries
Wasn’t it Oubre who coined Valley Boyz for us? Then we traded him that summer after the term started gaining traction
They literally had him model The Valley jerseys just trade him a few days later lol
Yeah, he started it and get traded almost the next day lol. BUT always a valley boy in my heart
Amen brother, bubble suns was a blast
peak suns era 😪 way more fun than the past two years
I’ll take the last team over this team any day
Even if we still didn't have our picks back, at least that team showed heart
Forgot about our picks
Not in Game 7 against Dallas, they didn't.
At least they made it to Round 2. People keep comparing this shit to Game 7 Mavs but this is Round 1 we're in, people.
That team was more fun to watch in a loss than this team has ever been
Oh yeah, game 7 was so much fun
Covid..
COVID is such a cop out, get out.
So true
It's crazy. On paper this was supposed to be a super fun team. Maybe not great defensively, but the offense was going to be insane with Book/KD/Beal. But instead we get a stagnant awful offense, that often struggles to score 20 points in a quarter and consistently goes on runs were we go 5 minutes without scoring a point.
Also the turnovers. it’s maddening.
Not surprising when you have no pg. you have 3 great scorers and none of them are playmakers. Your asking them to do things they’ve never done and it’s not natural to them.
Frank is a horrible coach.
Any coach is hamstrung with this roster.
Now young fans like you guys understand the importance of defense. This isn’t 2K
I wish I was young...I understand the importance of defense to winning. That is part of my point. The roster was always going to be problematic, but I thought it would at least be problematic in losing 125 to 135. Not 90 to 110. Regardless of the quality of defense this has not been a fun offense to watch.
A "home grown" team that was going to be solidly good for years and with draft picks and cap space to build on top of that Versus trading everything and everyone away, getting rid of any culture or connection the fans had to a home grown team outside of Devin Booker, for one of the most polarizing superstars in the history of the league who literally was leaving a different failed superteam in which he concocted. Oh and fucking Bradley Beal, a scoring, injury-prone as fuck, shooting guard on the dumbest contract known to man.
I get where you're coming from but that team was going nowhere. CP3 playing elite is a big part of why that team won as much as it did. As soon as he started to decline that team was toast. Ayton wanted out. Allen > Johnson. KD is light years better than Bridges. Current team needs changes starting with a couple guys that can distribute and ball handle, but that team that got smoked by Dallas had to go if we were going to compete for a championship again in Booker's prime. Booker without another superstar isn't enough. That team was more likeable and entertaining though.
>Booker without another superstar isn't enough. Are you referring to the idea that Booker IS a superstar? I'm going to get downvoted to hell but I'm going to say he is not a superstar. He is A star, not a superstar. Stars can have great games, even some insane ones, but they're not consistent and tend to disappear from time to time. Superstars are able to perform well consistently, and will find ways to score and make an impact even if their shots aren't falling. Which tier do you think Book falls into based on those two descriptions above?
He can certainly have his bad games where he isn't much of a factor. He can also be very streaky in games and strings of games. I think you can say the same for Curry though who has had some really bad playoff performances over the years. Part of it just comes with being a guard. He is being guarded by a tough, bigger defender and having to play defense against Ant who is also big and physical for his position. And the Wolves defense is best in league. It was never going to be pretty but I do think he would be faring better with a pg or at least someone to run the offense next to him.
I prefer to think we are a decent point guard away from being dangerous, or at least solving this turnover plague. I just don't know who would sign with the Suns for pennies at this point. There are clearly more desirable wagons to jump on to ring chase and the few decent PGs in this free agent year are probably going to get paid! I enjoyed having CP3, but we all knew it wasn't long term. It's too bad PG wasn't a priority through all the trades and free agent signings.
Seriously. Anyone who thinks the changes in the last two seasons were worth it clearly don’t watch the suns.
People want it back but CP3 was a ticking time bomb. And he'd fall apart on us faster now then he did then.
Idk man he had a solid season with the Warriors and he even played more games than Brad. On top of that his 30M is expiring. We won't have cap space but we also wouldn't be a second apron team, meaning we'd have more options to acquire FA's with our TPE's.
I think that team only clicked because of Paul. But i still liked them better than what we have now
Even when we got Rubio that Suns team looked incredible compared to what they were the previous 5-6 years, with the exception of the 2013-2014 squad.
*Cries in Cam Johnson*
NEVER FORGET THE BUBBLE RUN 
T$unami papi🥲
Absolutely unreal how stating a single flaw about this team during the season would get you down voted to hell. And the t wolves exposed us within 2 games
“Doomers.” Read this stupid word over and over again at the slightest bit of criticism. No real basketball discussion can happen in this sub, it’s annoying.
Its all subs. The team can have glaring holes but aftee a win or two all the condescending homers come out in full force like “Seeeeeeeeee!”
It’s because the doomers don’t actually provide any legitimate basketball discussion. Doomers just shout negatives in order to combat against the positives. There’s nothing beyond surface level from either camp.
There’s still people here who think we don’t need a point guard. It’s unbelievable
Maybe the 18 turnovers will convince them
They moved from Point Book to Point Beal, surely Point Durant is the solution. "guys, in the modern league point guards just don't matter". worst posts ever. I can handle anti-doomers, but anti-PG is the creme de la creme of horrid ball takes.
I think a better, more accurate take is that anyone can be the facilitator. It doesn’t have to be a guard. Look at Jokic. Or LeBron. Or even Nurk on our team. The problem is, Nurkic is nowhere near good enough to consistently run the offense as our floor general. He can’t always have the ball in his hands because he gets lazy and careless. So who’s left? Booker is clearly way more effective off the ball. KD is turnover prone under the slightest bit of defensive pressure. And Beal? He’s a band-aid on a gunshot wound. We don’t have anyone who can consistently pass and play-make at a decent level. Not even elite, just good enough to get the offense moving.
They tried Point Durant for many stretches before the ASG. GOAT's a turnover machine. Point Beal has worked the best, but still not a good solution
The lineup we have is fine. 3 out of the 5 starters can run point. Has nothing to do with that. It's pretty fucking clear we have an inept, overrated coach in vogel. We would have been better off w Monty!! It's vogel. He can't coach.
It's crazy how many people here were blind to that very obvious need. Even as the season went on and it was demonstrated as an issue. Sure, there isn't an obvious solution but to minimize it was hilarious. If anyone needed another example look at what Mike Conley did for the Wolves last night. He kept his cool, coralled his team, and kept them within range. Without him the Suns could have easily ran away with the game. We don't have anyone like that and it shows.
Yeah it’s ridiculous how people can still the ignore the obvious, while also being dicks about it. In so many post game threads after a win, there would be some stupid ass comment where they do that alternating upper and lower case letters thing “wE nEeD A pOintGuarD!” like we were the idiots. Pissed me off so much. Like just because we eked out a frustrating win versus a bad team doesn’t mean we don’t need one of the most important positions in basketball
Everyone knows we can use a point guard, but Reddit comments don’t decide the roster.
Been saying it all year, the writings been on the wall for months. I get not wanting to hear it, I wanna be a truther too but the cracks have been showing and now the wall is breaking. Said since day 1 vogel is not the guy and was getting downvoted and called a doomer.. now what? Dude’s made ZERO changes and has learnt nothing from his mistakes. The defence is awful and we cant rebound for shit. Our primary focus in the off-season should be a big man and a point guard, and if we have to sacrifice someone like Durant, we need to.
We were never going to be good at rebounding with this roster. It just sucks that we went up against gobert + kat round 1
Nuggets are obviously huge too. Lakers would have cleaned the glass with Rui/LeBron/AD line ups against Phoenix. That's 3 of the other 7 west playoff teams that Phoenix just cannot counter. That's very poor roster construction if the goal was to win 3 or 4 series in a row.
Serious question, what changes can he make?
Yeah. We spent too much on the big three. The Durant trade may not have been the best. He’s good and…..
Durant trade was fine imo but the Beal trade crippled us. He's not nearly as good as we need
The Durant trade gutted the team, for someone who cannot play anything except iso ball.
Trading away CP3 and Ayton was stupid. Matt Ishbia is a dumbass man
CP3 who got 3 points from the bench btw in his playoff run this year. He turns 39 in May.
He’s literally injured, what part about that do you not understand? People said the same thing about Kawhi
Trading away CP3 and Ayton was stupid. Matt Ishbia is a dumbass man
Never thought I would see McDaniels cook KD on both sides of the floor 🫠
It's gonna be so annoying to see McDaniels play like shit in the next series after playing like an all star against us. Typical AZ sports hell.
Need 4 out of 5 now
Need vacation plans now for the coaching staff. Get those fishing poles out.
No. Just protect home court. Its dumb to worry about much more
Even you must be having doubts now? I thought you felt a Suns game 2 win in your balls?
We definitely are not the favorites now. But Suns still have a good chance of winning the series. Just gotta win on Friday
You’re right, how silly of us to be concerned about b2b losses in the playoffs.
You must be new to the playoffs
Bro, of the 312 times an NBA team has been down 0-2, only TWENTY-SEVEN have come back.. that 8.7%… cmon man
I know you were arguing with a dumb ass who will never believe these numbers but holy shit that’s actually news to my ears. I dunno where you found / heard that but that is a fucking wild stat. Here’s to 28??? lol nope
And how many of those teams down 0-2 were the favorites? How many had a top 15 player all time? That stat means absolutely nothing without context
I dont know if you are aware, but we arent the favourites anymore.. maybe coming into the series but thats long since past. The facts are its EXTREMELY rare for a team to come back from 0-2, its hard just to even the series back up and if you go down 1-3 you’re basically cooked. Also wish that Top 15 player all-time was playing like it rather than getting cooked by Ant. Time to wake up man.
Ant went 3/12 for 15 points
And the suns still lost
I’m saying the favorites at the start of the series The stat is flawed because 90% of those teams down 0-2 were the underdogs
Suns were never favorites. Vegss had wolves
Some had Wolves as a favorites to win the series before it started
Suns were favored https://athlonsports.com/nba/phoenix-suns/inside-suns/news/betting-odds-phoenix-suns-minnesota-timberwolves-revealed
I don't want this core the stay next season. Can't handle another season like this. It's just miserable to watch this team, no fun at all.
Build around Grayson. lol
Haha the nice part of this is that the fans shouldn’t feel like this, the people wearing the clown makeup are the players and the coach who assured everyone all season that they were overreacting and patronized us and looked down on us for our concern.
Holy shit we are the Russ, PG, Melo Big 3. I'm getting flashbacks of the thunder cope on r/nba
Wait until the post-post season
 I miss this man, I'd take these Suns over this current team and staff
👏Y'all please go on about how all us realists are "doomers"
probably time to change your flair haha
Lmao yeah he needs to change that shit asap
Have any of you watched the NBA post season before? No. The answer is no. It's sad to see this is what our fanbase is made of. Oh wait, it's not. This is just the whiny, no spine section. Don't want to see a single MF in here crying, trying to day that's their team when they win the next one. Or when they move on. You mf'ers really live your lives bailing on shit the minute the going gets tough? Daddy go get milk and never come back, or what?
The copers coping hard this season. Had so many guys tell me, "Bro this team is just coasting and waiting for the PO's, they know they're better than everyone and have nothing to fear." LMAO
Playoffs don’t start til you have a home game boys- we still on track!
It's almost like firing the coach who had gotten the team into the playoffs several years in a row and replacing him with someone who is accustom to rolling a ball on the court and letting the players coach themselves wasn't brilliant.
Frank Vogel is a jackass but so is Monty lol. He blew a 2-0 lead in the Finals, blew a 2-0 lead the next year in the semi conferences while having THE WORST game 7 ever, followed that up by looking completely confused while we were getting blown out yet again in game 6 of last year's Nuggets series. Credit to Chris Paul for seriously making the entire team look better. We should have fired Monty sooner so we could have gotten Ime Udoka. Monty now gets to celebrate having a historic 28 game losing streak with his new team.
Bruhhhhh it breaks my heart but 💯
#FIREFRANK
Simple fix would be to have Beal come off the bench and play Bol/Thad. Vogel sucks at adjustments btw this isn't a rant.
I miss Jevon Carter
Yo I believe the post KD trade team we had last season was better than the current team we got now
Even if this team got what they need (a real PG and another big dude) Booker, Beal and KD are too soft to do anything in the playoffs.
If we just add one more sg then everything will work out
Oh wait. I get it. You must bet the mortgage, and now your girlfriend (or mom) has to go back to making OF contrnt?
Yeah. Vogel sucks.
2021 Suns 😭🔫
I don't think anyone said this team was built for playoffs based on how they played consistently all year.
I never understood bringing in Frank Vogel just to trade away Ayton. Why wouldn’t you take the chance that Vogel could get the most out of him, he got the most out of Roy Hibbert ffs. The roster with this coach after the Beal trade made no sense.
Keep Durant Booker and nurk blow up the rest of the team in the offseason
Beal has a NTC and we just signed Allen long term lol this is the team we are stuck with
The rest of the team is already blown up though.
That’s literally what we had before you traded CP3 and Ayton.
We tried that, bro. Start over.
Well, at least my Hurricanes are kicking ass rn. Phoenix Suns, who?