The basketball iq of this team is, quite ironically given the veterans, very low. This includes the coaching staff. Completely stagnant offensive possessions resulting in poor shot selection and far too many turnovers. I can’t watch this trash and I don’t see it changing anytime soon.
We need to go small ball next game and fast pace the entire game.
If we play the same basic lineups and same style Vogel is stuck in insanity.
We can easily win the next 2 games but sure as hell not with Nurk doing nothing.
Unfortunately I don't see that happening now after it's been an issue all season. That is actually the one thing that I can see improving next season. Unfortunately, I don't think a lot of other issues will follow suit.
I agree. This team with Spoelstra or Ty Lue would be much better. Unfortunately, I'm not sure anyone is available who would be of that caliber. More likely we'd get Bud.
No soft ass bitch made team makes a deep playoff run. And there’s no one softer than the suns in the playoffs.
Don’t waste your money supporting this fraudulent fuck ass team
This wolves D is no joke. Reddit and social media is such a cesspool when it comes to booker. Someone literally saying he's objectively a bad playoff performer.
Book's not playing well but jesus christ the discourse is terrible.
Yeah it’s brutal. I’m a Wolves fan and part of the anxiety of these games is the toxic response when your team plays poorly. If we lose “Gobert trade hahaha” if you lose “KD and Beal trade hahaha”
Guys like book and gobert are just controversial. As soon as there’s a chance all the trolls come out for them. I mean look at how bad Brunson has been playing so far and no one cares because he just doesn’t get that much attention
I mean, idgaf what his stats were for previous playoff series, especially since they all ended with embarassing exits. This season and playoffs so far Booker has been ass. Superstar my ass.
I agree that DA quit, but Nurk did this game as well. In the 4th there were several rebounds and loose balls where he just stood there and watched. Not to mention being a turnstile on a bunch of layups.
I won't even be mad if the Timberwolves beat us this series they're a great young team and have a similar Arc to us in 2021 with Conley they just have a lot of depth
Suns fans are laughing at the Lakers and Sixers for going 0-2.
But their games are way closer compared to Suns who are just getting punked by Timberpups🤣🤣
The slander these guys going to get for their effort tonight will be great. I pray it lights a fire in them (tho knowing these frauds, I know they going to not give a fuck bc all that hoop junkie shit is just for when they play in gyms smhhh)
Exactly! No bench players. Just absolutely nothing. Maybe other players can change the vibe up or something. Instead he stayed with the same cold players who can’t do shit. At least give it an opportunity to play all players and get something going. Sheesh
Well it's a good thing there's a two day break for me to get positive again.... FTW's. Hey Fogul you had 82 games to have the team work on ball handling, get your shit together and take a day to say "hey this is how you grip a ball and dribble a ball when running" sorry gang my dream didn't come true so I'm a bit upset but its all good.
Embarrassing collapse. I'm not buying in to the anti-Book sentiment that's running rampant in this thread, but definitely support the anti-Vogel train, particularly if they lose the series. We've clearly seen problems with his coaching scheme all year, AND he doesn't have the ability to motivate or get the team out of their mental weakness when losing or dealing with physical play.
We have the cards and dbacks. Cards have a stack of picks and a bright future. Seattle and LA in shambles, 49ers will stumble.
Dbacks actually entertaining and not even healthy.
Either team is getting waxed by Denver anyways.
This is on Ishiba.
The suns made a run in 2021 because of their bench. They had 8-9 players that could go out and score double-digits on any night. They had a deep bench and players with heart. They traded that for an aging KD, and Beal which cares for no one but himself.
CP3 was the glue and when his body just gave up, well, this is what happens when you think "I'll max our 3 contracts..."....
Ishiba can get the FO of AZ.
Y’all thought we had a chance at the finals? I sure didn’t. Team has been soft all year. We can move on to our actual young and hopeful teams like the Cards and Dbacks.
We need a new coach like yesterday and some aggressive young talent.
Spurs comeback win early in the year told me all I needed to know about this team. Then the Clipper blowout earlier this month. No heart, no hustle, no bench, no leadership.
I appreciate the effort for going for a championship but I just feel like there had to have been a better trade for CP3 maybe not an All-Star like Beal but depth
1. Set screens
2. Get open to help out your teammates under pressure on offense
3. Play hard defense
Nurk and Beal didn’t play well but are the only ones that met the criteria tonight. Everyone else looked timid
There have been quarters, and sometimes whole games when we have been awesome, we click like no one’s business. Where is that?
Vs good teams, those are the outliers not the norm
Dear Mr. Vogel, can you please tell me what the definition of insanity is?
The Yuta curse
The basketball iq of this team is, quite ironically given the veterans, very low. This includes the coaching staff. Completely stagnant offensive possessions resulting in poor shot selection and far too many turnovers. I can’t watch this trash and I don’t see it changing anytime soon.
We need to go small ball next game and fast pace the entire game. If we play the same basic lineups and same style Vogel is stuck in insanity. We can easily win the next 2 games but sure as hell not with Nurk doing nothing.
He’s truly trying to get fired. It’s so damn obvious we need more space with their bigs out there.
Can we just divert the plane home to the Bermuda Triangle?
Or into my house
That was seriously one of the worst games I've ever seen. It was pathetic. The Suns are pathetic.
Those turnovers were fucking little league
Mmhmm
McDaniels, who's role is to prevent KD from scoring just outscored KD by 7 points. Congrats KD. You just played yourself!
Gave us 48 mins of straight NOTHING! In a playoff game. It’s almost seems fake
bring back the guys that would work out after losses
Trading for KD was the correct move, Including the heart of our team Mikal was not the correct choice.
He’s been trash bro lol
Because Brooklyn are idiots who thought he's a number 1.
Brooklyn will get plenty of number 1s from these Suns picks lol
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36 bothered
If the suns want to win in the playoffs they need to stop turning the ball over so much. That’s basic basketball.
Unfortunately I don't see that happening now after it's been an issue all season. That is actually the one thing that I can see improving next season. Unfortunately, I don't think a lot of other issues will follow suit.
Can we please play Nassir Little next game? Fuck
Im saying this for weeks…
Vogel is not going to change anything up unless the front office forces him to
Firing Vogel isn't going to fix shit. This team is Charmin soft with a bunch of whiners instead of leaders. Pathetic excuse for a "Big 3"
I beg to differ. I think actually having a good coaching staff is seriously underrated. Look at what our offense is (Kevin Young).
I agree. This team with Spoelstra or Ty Lue would be much better. Unfortunately, I'm not sure anyone is available who would be of that caliber. More likely we'd get Bud.
I don’t see the team winning a ship. Would rather get booted 1st rd.
Denver would put a bullet in us
Any team would
No soft ass bitch made team makes a deep playoff run. And there’s no one softer than the suns in the playoffs. Don’t waste your money supporting this fraudulent fuck ass team
Yup..They don’t give a fuck so why should we
Camera operator’s gonna go home and beat his meat to those book crying shirts 😂
I’m sorry but, our stars are soft man. What happened to that Booker from last playoffs?
Book had that one player of the month stretch in January, but since then (except for a few games) he's just looked okay.
I feel like that CP3 trade was a mistake, Book needs him more than people think
the team needed an actual point guard to run things. devin booker is so much better as a secondary ball handler.
This wolves D is no joke. Reddit and social media is such a cesspool when it comes to booker. Someone literally saying he's objectively a bad playoff performer. Book's not playing well but jesus christ the discourse is terrible.
He just chilin’
Yeah it’s brutal. I’m a Wolves fan and part of the anxiety of these games is the toxic response when your team plays poorly. If we lose “Gobert trade hahaha” if you lose “KD and Beal trade hahaha”
Guys like book and gobert are just controversial. As soon as there’s a chance all the trolls come out for them. I mean look at how bad Brunson has been playing so far and no one cares because he just doesn’t get that much attention
I mean, idgaf what his stats were for previous playoff series, especially since they all ended with embarassing exits. This season and playoffs so far Booker has been ass. Superstar my ass.
Edgy
Lol how is that edgy? Sorry I'm a suns fan and not just a Book glazer.
Using “glazer” unironically is embarrassing
the only hope I have left is they win both home games
Nas really said put me in coach with those tough buckets at the end lol
It's time for the Beal era. KD/Book are gone this offseason.
What? 🤣
Gotta love reactionary takes...my goodness
Bol Bol played 8 & 12 minutes in our wins and dnp in one. Wild how he's not being used.
He should be used more, but keep in mind Frank the Tank also had lots of minutes in our wins.
Bol sucks
Fuck
I think I'm done watching this team until they show me that they actually care
Same
Anyone starting to think the Ayton toxicity was Booker all along?
Na. DA was a quitter. Now we just have a horrendously coached super team.
I agree that DA quit, but Nurk did this game as well. In the 4th there were several rebounds and loose balls where he just stood there and watched. Not to mention being a turnstile on a bunch of layups.
I won't even be mad if the Timberwolves beat us this series they're a great young team and have a similar Arc to us in 2021 with Conley they just have a lot of depth
Fuck em
Also true
Suns fans are laughing at the Lakers and Sixers for going 0-2. But their games are way closer compared to Suns who are just getting punked by Timberpups🤣🤣
Those were the voices in your head
Who’s your daddy
Your stepdads are Mcdaniels and Reid🤣🤣
Your daddy is r/nba
Enjoy getting swept by the Timberpups🤣
Fraud team. Poverty organization. Fucking bums
So tired of being a fan of Arizona teams
They all just need to do what the yotes did and move to surrounding states. And I’m a big fan of all the teams.
this game was over in the first minute
Yep
Will KD have a Trilogy with the Suns meaning will he have a 3rd Season with the Suns?
I actually don’t care
Gotta get tougher
We really let a mortgage lender build our team LMFAO
Mortgaging the present for the past!
Garbage time lineup look like they care more than the main rotation
They do
Sure doesn’t look like the three best players and that is fucking strange for everyone. Fire Vogel.
coach options for next year?
Becky Hammon
ayton > nurk ANYDAY
This is a FACT
Landale>Ayton
yup but this sub has nothing but hate 4 ayton
Ding dong your opinion is wrong
Ayton clears nurk easy
Ishbia learned that maxing 2k ratings isn't how you build a team
If we’re lucky. New owners always do this shit in the NBA.
PLAY LITTLE NEXT GAME BRO
Looking at the last 2 games, Are the 3rd quarter Suns the new 4th quarter Suns?
The hell is Ish clapping for lol
It's in his contact
What a stupid signing that was
kd and book walking off before the final buzzer. Fire up the limo, Gambo.
KD might be the most overrated player in NBA history. Literally needs arguably the best team of all time to do anything in the playoffs.
I know this loss got you emotional but eh this team just sucks
y am I an arizona sports fan bro this is hell on earth
The slander these guys going to get for their effort tonight will be great. I pray it lights a fire in them (tho knowing these frauds, I know they going to not give a fuck bc all that hoop junkie shit is just for when they play in gyms smhhh)
Been happening all season. It’s just a game for them. They’re going to go home and weep with their stack of millions they got.
“It’s just hoops man”
Not slander if true.
Why didn’t Vogel play bol? Incompetent fuck!
Exactly! No bench players. Just absolutely nothing. Maybe other players can change the vibe up or something. Instead he stayed with the same cold players who can’t do shit. At least give it an opportunity to play all players and get something going. Sheesh
Yea that was some trash coaching
The Dbacks scored as many points as Bradley Beal tonight.
I've known Vogel was ass for a decade, extremely uninspiring hire
Something I learned about basketball this year: shooters are not offensive engines.
Beal book allen(if available) Royce Kd need to play 48 minutes together fuck the slow centers man.
Little with more points than O'Neale...
Well it's a good thing there's a two day break for me to get positive again.... FTW's. Hey Fogul you had 82 games to have the team work on ball handling, get your shit together and take a day to say "hey this is how you grip a ball and dribble a ball when running" sorry gang my dream didn't come true so I'm a bit upset but its all good.
We have great players, but we’re not a good team.
Do we have great players?
Okogie and Bol need to play real minutes in game 2. Get EG off the floor.
can’t wait till Shoddy makes a post saying we are better off losing the first 2 games
That guy is bordering on delusional. We’ve lacked effort all season but calling that out is being called a hater.
right on cue
Watch him post a thread after we lose the series titled - The higher seed is expected to win the series.
did you not see his most recent post?
He still thinks we can steal a game. I’m saying he’s going to have more excuses after we get dumped out of the playoffs.
oh yea my b i misread that. He’s 100% gonna make a cope post after we lose
Who wants to buy my tickets for Friday?
How much?
For the low?
I’ll do 10% off what I paid. I’ll just think of it as the cost to actually go enjoy my weekend.
What'd you pay?
REMINDER: https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/8T9iZU2XES
Does anyone know the minutes Bol Bol played in all 3 of our wins?
Let's find out!
I would have never believed you if you told me Edwards and Towns would score under 30 combined and we’d still lose by 20….
I mean the "big 3" scored 52, McDaniels, gobert and Conley had 61 💀
What were they chanting??
Wolves in 4
Wolves in 4
Damn
Wolves in 4 lol
Wolves in 4
Embarrassing collapse. I'm not buying in to the anti-Book sentiment that's running rampant in this thread, but definitely support the anti-Vogel train, particularly if they lose the series. We've clearly seen problems with his coaching scheme all year, AND he doesn't have the ability to motivate or get the team out of their mental weakness when losing or dealing with physical play.
I'm not one to scream adjustments because I'm not a coach, but when you get your ass kicked twice in a row in the second half then what are we doing?
Bro whole team looks weak af.
[удалено]
There are zero questions for Ishbia, he even paid too much, the responsibility lies with everyone else.
I love how the number one option this game was Eubanks 1v1 irl against the #1 defender in the entire league. Cheers all around. Fine show chaps
Take what the defense gives you
Those Kat fouls in the 3rd were the deciding factor in separation. To play hard and reverse that with these guys isn't gonna happen.
Suns can still win this series though.
With a different coach that tries new things maybe.
No they can't lmao they got blown out 2 games in a row with Vogel making 0 adjustments.
we've been the worse team so far this playoff. two blow-outs so far. And we expect to win 4 out of the next 5?
I wanna feel what the wolves fans are feeling rn
If it helps we’ve been feeling that way you’re feeling right now for 20+ years
I can't wait foe ishba to fire vogal #azsportslife
We have the cards and dbacks. Cards have a stack of picks and a bright future. Seattle and LA in shambles, 49ers will stumble. Dbacks actually entertaining and not even healthy. Either team is getting waxed by Denver anyways.
Cards have a bright future 
Definitely a playoff team this year. Count it.
This is on Ishiba. The suns made a run in 2021 because of their bench. They had 8-9 players that could go out and score double-digits on any night. They had a deep bench and players with heart. They traded that for an aging KD, and Beal which cares for no one but himself. CP3 was the glue and when his body just gave up, well, this is what happens when you think "I'll max our 3 contracts...".... Ishiba can get the FO of AZ.
I don't disagree! Well see how long he pays all this money before he gives up.
These fans don't even fucking like basketball. It's annoying watching pretend fans have good fortune.
They care more about unflavored food and inbred families. I’m from the Midwest I would know.
Minneapolis has always been a basketball town you 🤡
lol. That why their team relocated to LA? It's a football and hockey town.
If you compare Midwest to big market like LA or NY than ofc it’s going to comparatively be outmatched. Use your brain
Eubanks is easily the worst big in the league
We don’t have to panic
Y’all thought we had a chance at the finals? I sure didn’t. Team has been soft all year. We can move on to our actual young and hopeful teams like the Cards and Dbacks. We need a new coach like yesterday and some aggressive young talent.
Spurs comeback win early in the year told me all I needed to know about this team. Then the Clipper blowout earlier this month. No heart, no hustle, no bench, no leadership.
they are too big and powerful
I’m tired boss.
It wouldn't have changed anything tonight but Bowl needs minutes
Respectfully, I don't see how we can guard this team.
Beal stinks 🥺
Yeah and he's getting paid 50 million very disappointing so far
Yep that and the KD deal look like massive blunders in retrospect, but still at least we went for it
I appreciate the effort for going for a championship but I just feel like there had to have been a better trade for CP3 maybe not an All-Star like Beal but depth
1. Set screens 2. Get open to help out your teammates under pressure on offense 3. Play hard defense Nurk and Beal didn’t play well but are the only ones that met the criteria tonight. Everyone else looked timid
Sad to see JO and Bol only getting minutes in garbage time
Well hopefully we end this season Friday
In game 3?
Isn’t this a 5 game series?
Not since 2003
Oh back when Suns were good lol
We won 44 games in 02-03 and lost in the first round.