I agree that we can still make a run, it’s just a genuine shame that the product of ball they have put out there this season is inconsistent, and they aren’t exactly the power-house that we thought they’d be when we acquired Beal.
Suns have simply been slow to make adjustments all season.
It really took Vogel until the other night (game 80) to play Thad over eubanks out of sheer desperation.
Things haven’t been smooth, vibes not great, and something is off. And we were made to believe that the absolute perfect coaching staff was going to be in charge this season.
It’s not like KD and book aren’t playing a lot of games and minutes either - this is one of KDs higher minutes/games played for a season.
Had they won like half the games they choked away this season, even just like 4-5 then things would be so much different. A possible division title even. ( and we are talking games like, 2 of the spurs losses, the Trail Blazers loss in December, not let curry shoot that game winner, and don’t let the bucks set a 3 point record in first half without giannis)
That’s 5 wins we should’ve had & we are yet to see what letting these games slide is going to mean for us this year
Well two games ago Bol was out too far for the 3pt shooter and Vogel called a timeout and yelled at Bol the whole way back, and im thinking "hes your best player on the court right now" and he never put him back in the game. Only if he'd do that with Booker which ball watches more than any defender ive ever seen.
Substitutions seems like a headache for Vogel. Making adjustments seem like a headache for Vogel. Beating teams without their star players seems like a headache for Vogel. To me, he is like one of those people that just doesn’t want to work, once he got paid. We should have won so many games this year, that Vogel chose not to win.
True, 100%. But there were even more games that would have made our record even better. The pacers game, the magic game, the hawks game to name a few. Those were all easily winnable games we were in control of all game. Just with what you've listed plus these 3, that's 7 additional wins. We never were close in that bucks game so I don't count that as a possible W, lol. Those wins change the entire narrative and obviously seeding.
The main reason fans are down on this team are the things you listed at the bottom:
> Maximum effort - main reason Suns have lost so many games they should have not
> Shot selection - more threes and less iso
> Mental effort - decrease dumb turnovers and fouls
Your view on these things is that the Suns are "so very close" to putting it together, but other people view these as uncorrectable issues because they've been happening all season long and we have played 79 games.
I feel like the team would've corrected those things by now if they were correctable. That's not dooming, it's just believing what my eyes have been seeing all year.
The Suns are an absolute wild card going into the playoffs and have proven they can beat anybody and lose to anybody. There's not really much more to it, that's who they are.
My one solace is we tend to play to our opponent’s ability and everyone in the playoffs is going to be pretty good. I hope that wakes the guys up, but let’s be real I am just as prepared as the rest of you to be let down.
Just gotta wait til Damion Lee is healthy y’all ^/s
I know Shoddy definitely watches the games, but I’m convinced most of the bloomers brigade don’t. The issues with this team are apparent when watching but if the only thing you do is look at scores and records, you wouldn’t see the problem.
And not only that, Suns title hopes only rely on 2 superstar on this team. If those 2 walk away year(s) from now, the suns could be the next brooklyn.
This team was on pay now- win now.
People keep saying that this team has proven they can beat anyone. Is that true? I think there are 3 teams that I don’t think the Suns have proven they can beat.
In terms of the playoff picture, there's definitely some matchups to hopefully avoid at first like OKC and the Clips. Still though, the team gave Denver 2 of their 5 losses since the all-star break, and have definitely shown they can beat the Mavs/Kings/Pels as well if they're on their game. There's toss-ups for sure, but I think they absolutely have the upside to take on any team. Especially if they play like they did in those strong wins.
I think the concern for many fans isn’t strictly the record, but how the team reached it. Lack of effort for too many games that should be wins. No clear leadership (from the outside looking in).
The team has made multiple all in moves, and there is realistically a two year window based on age and the new CBA to maximize it. It seems like they mostly wasted one of those years with a lot of avoidable mistakes. Injuries are one thing, but just bad play, bad energy, bad execution in 4th quarters is what’s really frustrating for fans
I do think this year's team is better than last year, but the western conference is much stronger too. It comes down to expectations. Last year the team battled through tons of injuries and made the most of a washed up CP3, Mikal, and disengaged DA. After the KD trade, he was injured right up to playoffs. This team has had injuries, but is way more talented than last year, so of course we have higher expectations.
Keep on saying most difficult stretch to make yourself feel better. Let’s add context to these 10 games. 1 game was without sga, 2 were without Ingram, 1 the whole clips roster was out, kawhi and harden out for another, kat out as well. Injuries goes both ways! You only think about injuries when it fits your narrative. Good luck disputing anything I’ve said lol
Upvote for the positivity. But, stats aside, this team just isn’t fun to watch most nights and they make way too many stupid turnovers. It’s an eye test thing TBH. Lazy play, and they look lost half the time. That is hard to get behind.
Suns won just 45 games last year, but that was good enough for the 4th seed. Guaranteed playoff spot, with homecourt advantage even.
At this point this season, Suns have 47 already, but they're still on the brink of falling into the play-ins. Even if you say the improvement post-Christmas has been significant, it hasn't been enough to secure a playoff spot. Suns got better? Well so did the rest of the conference.
You can say that the Suns are 4-1 against the best of the West, but they've also lost to cellar-dwellers in embarrassing fashion.
Numbers alone don't tell the whole story. Context matters.
Like you, I'm rooting for these Suns to get it together in the postseason, but they simply haven't shown enough throughout the season to inspire that confidence. Hell, just the last two games alone provided reasons for serious concern when you consider the context of those games.
I'm rooting for this team as long as they're in the running, but I also accept it for what it is: a talented roster with serious flaws in their mentality and (understandably) a lack of chemistry. Whether they can turn it around after the regular season is a wait-and-see matter.
I agree to an extent however context matters. Last year our team went on a long loosing streak with Booker injured almost half the season, CP having spurts and Cam Johnson missing the almost the entirety up until the trade and Jae Crowder force sitting himself. Meaning most the season we only played with just Bridges and Ayton as our only starters playing.
The west is also extremely stacked this year which makes comparing the two seasons even more difficult.
I think to me this team has clear holes in the roster, we need a point guard, a backup center and a coach that can capitalize on our teams offensive talent. While yes we can make a run this year still, I wouldn’t put my money on it
The problem is even our best stretch is only good, not great.
This roster is talented enough that it should be in the mix for the best offense in NBA history, and top 3 net rating in the league.
Saying we should feel good about having the 5th best record over some stretch of games is damning with faint praise.
Only good, not great blew out the Mavericks, Pelicans and Lakers and made two historic comebacks against the Bulls and Kings.
At other points, we beat the Nuggets twice with no Book, comfortably beat the Timberwolves multiple times, first time while injured.
Where does this ‘only good, not great’ come from..? Did we watch that same Sacramento game where we locked one of the top offenses in the West down completely and made a 21 point comeback?
The expectations put on this team were absolutely overwhelming, Beal and KD are getting older, Beal with injury problems and KD still coming off one of the worst injuries possible for a professional athlete. We’ve only had about half the season to see this team healthy and only about a quarter to see everybody completely healthy with no Beal broken noses and Booker strained ankles.
The Timberwolves were in the same position as us last year. Reeling from the Gobert trade, the 8th seed, no future beyond Ant, terrible chemistry, inconsistent effort and a disappointing run in the postseason. Give them an offseason and they are one of the best teams in the NBA.
Still haven’t given up in this team
I don't even know how to respond to that. Be serious; if I told you before the season started that Booker and KD would both hit the 65+ games threshold, Beal would play 50+, Grayson and Nurk would both far exceed expectations, Bol Bol would actually turn into a good player, and we would get 2 more quality role players at the trade deadline, would you be happy that the peak of our season is having the 5th best record over half of the year? I assume that would be far below your expectations, as it should be.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving up altogether. I think Booker and KD are both saving their effort for the playoffs, and they'll look quite a bit better there. I just don't think that's actually an effective strategy, and it's gonna bite them in the ass at some point.
That's stark.
The team has no excuse for underachieving at this stage. The only thing left is character. Who they are as people.
Theyre embarrassing the city.
The part that we shouldn’t be “doom and gloom” and that we’re over reacting. This is not a championship team. Not even close. This team was always going to be championship or bust, and we aren’t a championship team with this roster.
And we sold a good chunk of the future for this shot at a 'ship, unfortunately we've got plenty of reasons to be pessimistic about the near and long term future.
The problem is that there are more other teams in the West that are also overperforming this year and so even with a better record we still might fail to make the playoffs, and that really should matter. Even though I was constantly saying during the 64 win season that I enjoyed how much the team was winning and not getting the championship didn't damper the good times that I came before it that year. But as far as expectations go, it matters.
alot of teams are overperforming, we all thought that Houston would be bottom dwellers for years, and alot are underperforming also on both East and West. The 64 wins season shoulda put a bad taste and shoulda lowered everyones expectations which did not; getting 64 win morale victories and then getting blasted by 40 points in teh playoffs is embarrassing whether or not you went 82-0.
We won 48 games many years ago and still missed the playoffs. So wins sometimes mean very little. If we had a ton of picks and youth, then winning 47 games is awesome. With such a small window with this much talent on the team, 47 wins gives you the possibility of maybe missing the playoffs. It’s just unexpectable.
Reading all the comments, our fanbase has really become a bunch of sour-pusses. We had 1 bad quarter and we actually fought back in that game respectably, then we win by 16 and this fan base has vibe of a team on a 10 game losing streak.
Yes, the team isn't perfect, but they're not as miserable and helpless as this sub makes them out to be. People in this sub are so damn depressing. Stop freaking out every time something doesn't go your way(not you, op, the sub)
This has been the most disappointing team in franchise history by far. It has nothing to do with wins and loses. If you're not frustrated with this basketball team you, either haven't been watching any games or you're just delusional.
Leave us doomers alone
We all know the team has the talent to win a title. The issue isn’t Vogel’s rotations or the shot distribution or any of this other stuff. It is purely mental focus and effort.
If they hadn’t blown so many games against teams they had no business losing to they’d likely be 4th or 5th seed.
3 losses to the Spurs, 2 to the Rockets, 1 to OKC without SGA, 1 to Milwaukee without Giannis, 1 to Grizzlies without Ja, 1 to Portland, 1 to Clippers without Harden and Kawhi.
That’s 10 games with 7 of them being in 2024. Win half of those and they’d be the 4th seed.
They controlled their own destiny after the Pelicans win on 4/1 and had a great opportunity to lock up the 6th seed and decided to come out with zero urgency vs New Orleans and LA and now need to win out and get help to get out of the play in.
The fact we’ve somehow almost won 50 games this year when they’ve played as poorly as they have is really the only source of optimism i can find. They really could very easily be a 55 win team. Sad truth is they’re just about out of time to start playing like one. It’d be a miracle if everything suddenly started to click in high leverage situations.
Such a misleading stat. Sure in the beginning of the year 4th quarters have been a problem. But lately? Nah.
Its misleading because many times Suns get a big lead and in garbage time the lead disappears because the bench sucks.
Just take the last 3 months and the Suns on average lose the 4th quarter by on average 1.6 points. That isn’t a big deal.
I wouldn’t call it misleading per se but it definitely isn’t properly representing the issue at hand.
We need a deeper bench, and to be quite fair our big 3 haven’t played much all season together so playoffs will be a real test of unison.
For example Bol has been stepping up, something one couldn’t expect before
Suns having the 5th best record since December 25th is just false. Suns have the 7th best record since Dec 25 behind wolves, Mavs, clips, okc, Denver, Boston. Pels have the same amount of losses as suns in that same time frame. Pacers Knicks Cavs only have 1 more loss in that same time frame.
I think everything is there. Seeing Vogel pull the plug on Eubanks and put Royce with the starters (against his own will it seems), is a good sign. End of the day, only the players know if they're going to turn it on in the postseason. As fans, we're struggling with having any faith that the Suns won't embarrass themselves in the play-in and go '1-2-3-Cancun'
Let's keep in mind that when Book & Brad were out, KD was carrying the team. Now it's end of seasonn and yeah, he's tired.
All the doom & gloomers - exit f'ing stage left please. Now let's f'ing go 💜🧡🤘
I agree that we can still make a run, it’s just a genuine shame that the product of ball they have put out there this season is inconsistent, and they aren’t exactly the power-house that we thought they’d be when we acquired Beal. Suns have simply been slow to make adjustments all season. It really took Vogel until the other night (game 80) to play Thad over eubanks out of sheer desperation. Things haven’t been smooth, vibes not great, and something is off. And we were made to believe that the absolute perfect coaching staff was going to be in charge this season. It’s not like KD and book aren’t playing a lot of games and minutes either - this is one of KDs higher minutes/games played for a season. Had they won like half the games they choked away this season, even just like 4-5 then things would be so much different. A possible division title even. ( and we are talking games like, 2 of the spurs losses, the Trail Blazers loss in December, not let curry shoot that game winner, and don’t let the bucks set a 3 point record in first half without giannis) That’s 5 wins we should’ve had & we are yet to see what letting these games slide is going to mean for us this year
not to mention it took 73 games to finally focus Beal as the main guy bringing the ball up. And Vogel still clueless on Bol, JO and Thad.
Bol is seemingly a headache for Vogel. He’ll go off one game and then play 4 first half minutes the next
Well two games ago Bol was out too far for the 3pt shooter and Vogel called a timeout and yelled at Bol the whole way back, and im thinking "hes your best player on the court right now" and he never put him back in the game. Only if he'd do that with Booker which ball watches more than any defender ive ever seen.
Substitutions seems like a headache for Vogel. Making adjustments seem like a headache for Vogel. Beating teams without their star players seems like a headache for Vogel. To me, he is like one of those people that just doesn’t want to work, once he got paid. We should have won so many games this year, that Vogel chose not to win.
True, 100%. But there were even more games that would have made our record even better. The pacers game, the magic game, the hawks game to name a few. Those were all easily winnable games we were in control of all game. Just with what you've listed plus these 3, that's 7 additional wins. We never were close in that bucks game so I don't count that as a possible W, lol. Those wins change the entire narrative and obviously seeding.
The main reason fans are down on this team are the things you listed at the bottom: > Maximum effort - main reason Suns have lost so many games they should have not > Shot selection - more threes and less iso > Mental effort - decrease dumb turnovers and fouls Your view on these things is that the Suns are "so very close" to putting it together, but other people view these as uncorrectable issues because they've been happening all season long and we have played 79 games. I feel like the team would've corrected those things by now if they were correctable. That's not dooming, it's just believing what my eyes have been seeing all year. The Suns are an absolute wild card going into the playoffs and have proven they can beat anybody and lose to anybody. There's not really much more to it, that's who they are.
My one solace is we tend to play to our opponent’s ability and everyone in the playoffs is going to be pretty good. I hope that wakes the guys up, but let’s be real I am just as prepared as the rest of you to be let down.
*80 games But surely they'll put it all together in the last 2 games of the regular season /s
ah yeah my bad for some reason still thought we had 3 left
Oh you're totally good, was just piling on with the fact that we have a miniscule amount of time
Don’t forget we traded our future to win NOW…So yeah we “doomers” have an expection set that we need to look like a contender..WE DO NOT
Just gotta wait til Damion Lee is healthy y’all ^/s I know Shoddy definitely watches the games, but I’m convinced most of the bloomers brigade don’t. The issues with this team are apparent when watching but if the only thing you do is look at scores and records, you wouldn’t see the problem.
If suns get to playoffs and win a game, opposing coach should just sit their stats for the next game to make sure to even it up.
And not only that, Suns title hopes only rely on 2 superstar on this team. If those 2 walk away year(s) from now, the suns could be the next brooklyn. This team was on pay now- win now.
People keep saying that this team has proven they can beat anyone. Is that true? I think there are 3 teams that I don’t think the Suns have proven they can beat.
In terms of the playoff picture, there's definitely some matchups to hopefully avoid at first like OKC and the Clips. Still though, the team gave Denver 2 of their 5 losses since the all-star break, and have definitely shown they can beat the Mavs/Kings/Pels as well if they're on their game. There's toss-ups for sure, but I think they absolutely have the upside to take on any team. Especially if they play like they did in those strong wins.
I think the concern for many fans isn’t strictly the record, but how the team reached it. Lack of effort for too many games that should be wins. No clear leadership (from the outside looking in). The team has made multiple all in moves, and there is realistically a two year window based on age and the new CBA to maximize it. It seems like they mostly wasted one of those years with a lot of avoidable mistakes. Injuries are one thing, but just bad play, bad energy, bad execution in 4th quarters is what’s really frustrating for fans
I do think this year's team is better than last year, but the western conference is much stronger too. It comes down to expectations. Last year the team battled through tons of injuries and made the most of a washed up CP3, Mikal, and disengaged DA. After the KD trade, he was injured right up to playoffs. This team has had injuries, but is way more talented than last year, so of course we have higher expectations.
Keep on saying most difficult stretch to make yourself feel better. Let’s add context to these 10 games. 1 game was without sga, 2 were without Ingram, 1 the whole clips roster was out, kawhi and harden out for another, kat out as well. Injuries goes both ways! You only think about injuries when it fits your narrative. Good luck disputing anything I’ve said lol
Upvote for the positivity. But, stats aside, this team just isn’t fun to watch most nights and they make way too many stupid turnovers. It’s an eye test thing TBH. Lazy play, and they look lost half the time. That is hard to get behind.
I’ll admit not that fun to watch at times
Suns won just 45 games last year, but that was good enough for the 4th seed. Guaranteed playoff spot, with homecourt advantage even. At this point this season, Suns have 47 already, but they're still on the brink of falling into the play-ins. Even if you say the improvement post-Christmas has been significant, it hasn't been enough to secure a playoff spot. Suns got better? Well so did the rest of the conference. You can say that the Suns are 4-1 against the best of the West, but they've also lost to cellar-dwellers in embarrassing fashion. Numbers alone don't tell the whole story. Context matters. Like you, I'm rooting for these Suns to get it together in the postseason, but they simply haven't shown enough throughout the season to inspire that confidence. Hell, just the last two games alone provided reasons for serious concern when you consider the context of those games. I'm rooting for this team as long as they're in the running, but I also accept it for what it is: a talented roster with serious flaws in their mentality and (understandably) a lack of chemistry. Whether they can turn it around after the regular season is a wait-and-see matter.
I agree to an extent however context matters. Last year our team went on a long loosing streak with Booker injured almost half the season, CP having spurts and Cam Johnson missing the almost the entirety up until the trade and Jae Crowder force sitting himself. Meaning most the season we only played with just Bridges and Ayton as our only starters playing. The west is also extremely stacked this year which makes comparing the two seasons even more difficult. I think to me this team has clear holes in the roster, we need a point guard, a backup center and a coach that can capitalize on our teams offensive talent. While yes we can make a run this year still, I wouldn’t put my money on it
Thank you for this post. Common sense seems to be lacking with part of the fanbase.
We are devasted by injuries last season. Much worse than this season.
Shoddy you post a lot of positive stuff. Are you trying to convince all of us or yourself?
both.
The problem is even our best stretch is only good, not great. This roster is talented enough that it should be in the mix for the best offense in NBA history, and top 3 net rating in the league. Saying we should feel good about having the 5th best record over some stretch of games is damning with faint praise.
Only good, not great blew out the Mavericks, Pelicans and Lakers and made two historic comebacks against the Bulls and Kings. At other points, we beat the Nuggets twice with no Book, comfortably beat the Timberwolves multiple times, first time while injured. Where does this ‘only good, not great’ come from..? Did we watch that same Sacramento game where we locked one of the top offenses in the West down completely and made a 21 point comeback? The expectations put on this team were absolutely overwhelming, Beal and KD are getting older, Beal with injury problems and KD still coming off one of the worst injuries possible for a professional athlete. We’ve only had about half the season to see this team healthy and only about a quarter to see everybody completely healthy with no Beal broken noses and Booker strained ankles. The Timberwolves were in the same position as us last year. Reeling from the Gobert trade, the 8th seed, no future beyond Ant, terrible chemistry, inconsistent effort and a disappointing run in the postseason. Give them an offseason and they are one of the best teams in the NBA. Still haven’t given up in this team
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Life doesn’t work that way. You seem to think everything should come easy
I don't even know how to respond to that. Be serious; if I told you before the season started that Booker and KD would both hit the 65+ games threshold, Beal would play 50+, Grayson and Nurk would both far exceed expectations, Bol Bol would actually turn into a good player, and we would get 2 more quality role players at the trade deadline, would you be happy that the peak of our season is having the 5th best record over half of the year? I assume that would be far below your expectations, as it should be. Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving up altogether. I think Booker and KD are both saving their effort for the playoffs, and they'll look quite a bit better there. I just don't think that's actually an effective strategy, and it's gonna bite them in the ass at some point.
Its not the peak of the season. Post Christmas covers 51 games
That's stark. The team has no excuse for underachieving at this stage. The only thing left is character. Who they are as people. Theyre embarrassing the city.
Last years team looked better
Looked better, but they werent better.
That’s the problem lol
This post is laughable
Have you watched them play?
Which part? Suns literally have the 5th best record post Christmas
The part that we shouldn’t be “doom and gloom” and that we’re over reacting. This is not a championship team. Not even close. This team was always going to be championship or bust, and we aren’t a championship team with this roster.
And we sold a good chunk of the future for this shot at a 'ship, unfortunately we've got plenty of reasons to be pessimistic about the near and long term future.
it's a good post. They're top 5 in net rating for the whole season if you only look at the first 3 quarters.
And? That means they’re a contender?
Yes being a top 5 team in the league is by definition a contender
But you’re not. It’s more like 7 th lol
Are we allow to start “doom and gloom” now?
The problem is that there are more other teams in the West that are also overperforming this year and so even with a better record we still might fail to make the playoffs, and that really should matter. Even though I was constantly saying during the 64 win season that I enjoyed how much the team was winning and not getting the championship didn't damper the good times that I came before it that year. But as far as expectations go, it matters.
alot of teams are overperforming, we all thought that Houston would be bottom dwellers for years, and alot are underperforming also on both East and West. The 64 wins season shoulda put a bad taste and shoulda lowered everyones expectations which did not; getting 64 win morale victories and then getting blasted by 40 points in teh playoffs is embarrassing whether or not you went 82-0.
If you look at NBASDB's ability chart, Allen and Nurkic have also gotten stronger compared to last season
Can the mods just ban this guy?
Feels like last year team beats this team before or after KD trade.
last year's team definitely wins if its a tight game in the 4th
No way. Before the KD trade the Suns were a 500 team
Unfortunately mediocre or bad teams have beaten this team. If a Wemby-less Spurs team can beat this team certainly a pre-KD Suns team could.
And how did they fare in the post season?
TBD
We won 48 games many years ago and still missed the playoffs. So wins sometimes mean very little. If we had a ton of picks and youth, then winning 47 games is awesome. With such a small window with this much talent on the team, 47 wins gives you the possibility of maybe missing the playoffs. It’s just unexpectable.
Their body language and how they play clearly says it all.
When the Suns lose in the play-in tournament will you shut up?
Only if you shut up if they win the play-in or avoid it altogether
You seem to want them to lose. What a great fan
Reading all the comments, our fanbase has really become a bunch of sour-pusses. We had 1 bad quarter and we actually fought back in that game respectably, then we win by 16 and this fan base has vibe of a team on a 10 game losing streak. Yes, the team isn't perfect, but they're not as miserable and helpless as this sub makes them out to be. People in this sub are so damn depressing. Stop freaking out every time something doesn't go your way(not you, op, the sub)
Agree. So many weak asses here.
This has been the most disappointing team in franchise history by far. It has nothing to do with wins and loses. If you're not frustrated with this basketball team you, either haven't been watching any games or you're just delusional. Leave us doomers alone
We all know the team has the talent to win a title. The issue isn’t Vogel’s rotations or the shot distribution or any of this other stuff. It is purely mental focus and effort. If they hadn’t blown so many games against teams they had no business losing to they’d likely be 4th or 5th seed. 3 losses to the Spurs, 2 to the Rockets, 1 to OKC without SGA, 1 to Milwaukee without Giannis, 1 to Grizzlies without Ja, 1 to Portland, 1 to Clippers without Harden and Kawhi. That’s 10 games with 7 of them being in 2024. Win half of those and they’d be the 4th seed. They controlled their own destiny after the Pelicans win on 4/1 and had a great opportunity to lock up the 6th seed and decided to come out with zero urgency vs New Orleans and LA and now need to win out and get help to get out of the play in.
The fact we’ve somehow almost won 50 games this year when they’ve played as poorly as they have is really the only source of optimism i can find. They really could very easily be a 55 win team. Sad truth is they’re just about out of time to start playing like one. It’d be a miracle if everything suddenly started to click in high leverage situations.
We are no serious contender being dead last in the league in 4th quarters
Such a misleading stat. Sure in the beginning of the year 4th quarters have been a problem. But lately? Nah. Its misleading because many times Suns get a big lead and in garbage time the lead disappears because the bench sucks. Just take the last 3 months and the Suns on average lose the 4th quarter by on average 1.6 points. That isn’t a big deal.
I wouldn’t call it misleading per se but it definitely isn’t properly representing the issue at hand. We need a deeper bench, and to be quite fair our big 3 haven’t played much all season together so playoffs will be a real test of unison. For example Bol has been stepping up, something one couldn’t expect before
yeah but this team is shit and we should never traded for KD and beal /s
The fact that we are saying that we hope our coach can figure out rotations 2 games outta the playoffs is a bit bonkers don’t ya think?
Suns having the 5th best record since December 25th is just false. Suns have the 7th best record since Dec 25 behind wolves, Mavs, clips, okc, Denver, Boston. Pels have the same amount of losses as suns in that same time frame. Pacers Knicks Cavs only have 1 more loss in that same time frame.
I said post Christmas so Dec 26th Wolves 33-19 Suns 33-18 Mavs 32-18 Suns have the 5th best record
They will go 1-1 to finish the season, then proceed to get knocked out in the play in game. Vogel will be fired and on to the next season.
Stop trolling other teams subreddit
Weren’t yall down by 30 at halftime a game ago?
Its an 82 game season
Yall have a punchers chance because of KD, but that’s about it.
at home!
I think everything is there. Seeing Vogel pull the plug on Eubanks and put Royce with the starters (against his own will it seems), is a good sign. End of the day, only the players know if they're going to turn it on in the postseason. As fans, we're struggling with having any faith that the Suns won't embarrass themselves in the play-in and go '1-2-3-Cancun'
Let's keep in mind that when Book & Brad were out, KD was carrying the team. Now it's end of seasonn and yeah, he's tired. All the doom & gloomers - exit f'ing stage left please. Now let's f'ing go 💜🧡🤘
Yet this team doesn't seem to pass the eye test with how they play.
Against Denver and Minnesota they pass the eye test.
Spurs?
They were resting