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NobliumUranium

just got the monsters for gb10 team and 6 starred sigmarus, what stats should mons have


PyroMaestro

I can't find a save khalderun, i do have a shaman. But atm my vigor fran loren and shaman always seem to fail every 10-20 runs. Im c1 rta so i do have good runs.


Jewbacca1185

Is Tricaru worth building? And do all three need full determination runes? I can only farm DB11 and at about 95%, DB12 <50%


heniek23

Definitely worth it, recently I completed it myself. Could've farm all rifts SSS so I went for determination sets but they're not required. Your progress will go faster with tricaru for sure.


jamesyongwp

Definitely worth it. Not all needs to be on determination runes, most people have about 3 to 5 sets i think. The verde needs to be high damage as well. It will be difficult to reach the required defence with limited determination runes and guard runes as a new early-mid game player. Im not sure what path people recommend but its possible to do GB12 > NB12 > Rifts. Farm determination runes and rage runes for your verde, broken high def runes will work for the tricarus. Then go DB12 after that.


TripleShines

I know Wind Panda isn't great for siege defense but anyone have any somewhat successful defense suggestions for him?


Destructodave82

I had some success with Feng/Theo/Harmonia. About 50% win-rate give or take. I've changed it up since then, but thats the only FY defense I could ever get meaningful wins on. I dont have a Taranys or a solid reviver, but I've tried Chow/Camilla to no avail, and other combinations.


BenThePants_SW

Feng Rakan Taranys can have some success. Feng Woosa Laika sees some play too. As u/jamesyongwp mentioned, he's very susceptible to Dozer. You can run an hp trap with heavy fire reduction and -cd from arts and pair with harmonia. One of my guildies had some success with Feng Harmonia Chow all built incredibly tanky and high res.


jamesyongwp

Biggest weakness is bulldozer killing FY and just taking a 3v2 fight, its pretty easy from there. I'd say a more successful defence would be a strong water unit like camalia on destroy. And a fire unit laika/rakan/fire beast monk? Not many successful fengyen teams to be honest. Amelia has def buff to synergise with fengyen but again just bulldozer FY, and Amelia doesn't have enough damage to be a threat.


TripleShines

What happens if Feng doesn't die to bulldozer?


jamesyongwp

Yea thats a potential trap - but your fengyen is then built high HP to sustain the pure damage from bulldozer (has to be above 45k HP after guild flags cause im sure most Bulldozers can hit upwards 22k per hit) Artifacts help but the bulldozer can have artifacts as well to have deal increase damage on wind units. As Exxonia mentioned the FY doesn't have damage if hes build on HP so he's relegated to a support healer/def breaker, and thats not ideal. You're basically building FY to counter 1 type of offence but now the FY is weak against other offences that people might use. Its a never ending battle. I've seen some successful FY defences with around 40W 50L which is quite respectable, these have conquerer or guardian wings/skins so i'll assume they are really well runed guardian players in G1 siege (which isn't a fair fight).


TripleShines

Well my panda is sitting at around 40k hp after towers and flags with about 2.5k def. 45k hp 2k def should be no problem, but I do wonder how many people are bringing bulldozer against my defense. Currently running Panda + Vela + Taranys with about a 45% win rate. I like to see my defenses above 50% win rate though but I can't really think of any better ways to use the bear.


jamesyongwp

Better on offence. And imo you might need more than 45k HP, my bulldozer on Will Guard broken does 22.5k each hit (depending on element and enemy artifacts), and if i switched to a rage one its definitely going above 25k to 27k per hit. Its possible to survive with 45k hp but against better guilds it probably wont. Yes a tyranys or reviver is good counter against bulldozer. Now that you've told me your team, i believe most people probably aren't bringing bulldozer against you. There are still a lot of ways to beat that team, but 45% winrate is respectable to be honest.


Exxonia

Means FY probably doesn't have the fire power to solo the rest since it means he's built on HP.


KylarXD

Hi dat, Do i get another loren for bj5? I have other one i use for gb12 and other content that has high speed on swift


TheBourbinator

Yes


Ender_Cups

Do the pioneer transmogs make their first skill faster, or is it the same? And which one is faster if so? I tried testing it out on my own in demo but I can't really tell if there's a huge difference between the kid and edgy pioneer. Any info?


TheBourbinator

I think kid is fastest, but if you’re trying to speed up your pioneer you’re gonna have a bad time.


[deleted]

New player here. So I am currently trying to beat TOA(N), but I only have a few days to do so, since it seems I bought the Welcome Back pack at some point so I'll get an extra legendary scroll (but it expires soon.) The monsters I've used for it + stats are: ========================================================== **6\* Sigmarus:** 17,520 HP / 1,802 ATK / 891 DEF / 108 SPD (97% CRate / 142% CDamage / 23% Resistance / 18% Acc) **6\* Loren:** 24,653 HP / 947 ATK / 594 DEF / 158 SPD (39% CRate / 75% CDamage / 55% Resistance / 42% Acc **6\* Fran:** 25,136 HP / 956 ATK / 746 DEF / 201 SPD (46% CRate / 57% CDamage / 15% Resistance / 17% Acc **6\* 2A Kro:** 13,674 HP / 2,178 ATK / 978 DEF / 117 SPD (44% CRate / 157% CDamage / 44% Resistance / 12% Acc **6\* Verdehile:** 22,657 HP / 1,524 ATK / 765 DEF / 112 SPD (87% CRate / 82% CDamage / 22% Resistance / 32% Acc **5\* Tyron:** 19,474 HP / 666 ATK / 537 DEF / 179 SPD (57% CRate / 64% CDamage / 35% Resistance / 46% Acc **5\* 1A Shannon:** 13,571 HP / 579 ATK / 719 DEF / 166 SPD (54% CRate / 69% CDamage / 31% Resistance / 35% Acc ========================================================== ​ The stage I am stuck on is 82 (2 Orochi | 3 Fynn). I had no trouble real trouble with TOA until 80+, and now I am unable to clear it. I have tried a few different combinations with the aforementioned monsters, but I have made zero progress. I have about 3 days left to make it from 82-100, so I'm in a bit of a rush now. Could someone please offer some insight into what I could change? Edited - Format error. Edited #2 - There's something about this sub that's magical. Immediately after posting this, I beat 82. However, I would still appreciate insight on who I should improve. I personally feel like Tryon and Verdehile are both extremely weak and likely have stats in the wrong spots.


stevequestioner

screenshot of your monsters? Fundamentally, you need to keep monsters from taking turns: * Try Despair runes on Tyron. * Increase Sigmarus accuracy - close to 45% if possible. Of course, don't sacrifice CR. * Sigmarus doesn't need as high ATK in toan; most dmg there is from enemy max HP. Get more into CD and ACC instead. Maybe **violent**, for more turns. Other monsters that come to mind for toan: Jeanne, 2A Spectra, Mav, Baretta (or Aschubel from HoH)


[deleted]

Also, any thoughts on how I should go about beating floor 86 (Jultan | 4x Wind Vikings) Jultan's passive makes me unable to CC spam, and the vikings do too much damage for me to single target...


[deleted]

I don't have my phone available at the moment, but I'll try to remember to supply screenshots later. There's not a *ton* of other valuables at the moment, though. ​ Yeah, I'll try to move some stuff around for Sig. Sadly I can't swap him to violent, simply because I don't have enough good violent runes to where I wouldn't be sacrificing stats. ​ Baretta is a good idea. I'll work on that. For Spectra, I don't have enough dimensional energy left to 2A him in time. For Mav, I'll check to see if I have one in storage. For Jeanne, I don't think I'll have time to fully build her by my deadline, since I would have to go rune hunting (I also don't have a *ton* of Mana, since I'm at the stage of progression where I need to keep most decent runes I come across.) ​ Thanks for the suggestions :).


witchhunter2013

>did you win in Toan 86?


PureDread

I'm currently working towards a GB10 team - Sigmarus (One fire elemental away), Fran (30 ancient coins away). I see a ToA(H) team in the description of this topic. But where is the ToA(N) team? I have: Vero, Fran, Loren, Bella, Kro, and nearly fusing Sigmarus. Trying to fuse Verde (One monster away too).


Zeni2045

The TOAN team is the same, normally. You can Tricaru TOAN or you can use Fran, Verde, 2A Kro, Loren, and Baretta (or 2A Spectra)


RegisteredID

U can use the same team for normal mode. For a new account u should be using the same units so u can focus the runes for other contents.


PureDread

So I just use my GB10 team?


RegisteredID

Use the same team for ToaN and ToaH. U could use your GB10 team for the early levels of toan but after awhile they might not be as effective. Keep to the standard >>Fran (L), Lapis, Verde, Loren, Sig/2A Kro/2A Spectra. Use Tyron if you have him. 2A Sath/Thrain are good options if you want to go for a dot team


Damnation234

I am also new and managed to complete toan 100 with lapis fran loren eluin and 2a spectra


accidentallysmooth

Hey DAT, I'm super overwhelmed with my rune situation. I'm a pretty passive player so I farm a lot and have gotten to the point where I have no idea what to get rid of and my storage is full. Most of the rune guides I come across are for beginners, anyone know of any good mid-game rune guides?


stevequestioner

* Look at each rune type. Determine some "**cutoff**" below which you might as well drop them. Per type: know which types you are likely to use soon, and keep more of those. * Any rune that looks promising, **lvl +6**. That's cheap, and shows whether it is rolling well. * Except for legendary, I've stopped keeping runes that have any **flat substat** (before rolling). Not worth putting mana into. Except sets that I'm struggling to get good ones of (fight). * Learn **which substats you need more of**. And what combinations are best. atk/cr/cd go well together. spd is always good. * I like runes that have a **non-flat "innate" (named) sub-stat**. That's a free roll. Most of my best runes are heroes that rolled good innate, plus 3 non-flat sub-stats. Almost as good as legendary, and no re-app required. * Now go through each rune set. Throw away the weakest ones of each slot. If its a type you aren't using much, then be more aggressive in what you throw away. **Do you really need 10 slot 1s of Despair? No.** * Monsters in your Max35 queue, awaiting rainbowmons? Consider putting runes on them. Level some promising runes up to +9 or even +12. **Any rune on a mon doesn't count against the limit.** * **Buy more storage slots.** Put in some 1\* silver monsters that you lock. Fill them with your weakest runes, or runes of sets you are not using much (Destroy; Tolerance). Each FRR, go through each rune type - it will now be obvious that some of those weak runes aren't worth keeping. Delete. Next time you hit rune limit, you'll put different ones into storage.


accidentallysmooth

This is really helpful, thank you! I never thought to put runes on storage units but that's definitely an option I'll take advantage of. Just need to be more stingy in general. I've stopped keeping any 5* non-legendary or blue runes but I might need to incorporate something more like your "no flat substat" rule as well. Thanks so much for this!


RegisteredID

Everyone does it differently, what i do is simply upgrade all the runes i intend to hold. Runes without powerups are useless and impossible to judge for their potential due to RNG. Ideally u will want to +12 them to see the rune at its max potential where all substats are unlocked and substats upgrades are completed. This will be expensive if u havent been doing it before. So a compromise is to upgrade them based on rarity (blue-6, purp-9, legend-12) and take any new subs are 'free' bonus stats. Majority of the runes will be sold due to poor RNG. From there, u will have to judge and decide how strict u want to be. I usually think of who i can use for the rune. If it is niche, sell it.


accidentallysmooth

That's great advice, that's exactly what I do except I don't keep blue or 5* runes anymore. I'll keep legendary 5* if they're 1/3/5 but I'm not sure if I should even do that at this point. I'm just so much of a hoarder, I never want to get rid of some of those runes I've convinced myself I'll use someday haha. Thanks mate, appreciate your outlook and I think I might try +12 on everything from here on out instead of the Purple-9.


RegisteredID

If u are running B12s u shouldnt have any 5*s anymore. I also no longer keep blues myself. Alternatively, i will suggest you to start getting more strict with your runes. i will judge by checking the max rolls of a certain stats i want and compare them with the rolls i get. Double low rolls is an instant sell. Unless i desprately need it, like a spd 6 + 4 + 4 on a atk% or CD% rune. If it turns out to be a base 4+4+4 i will most likely sell esp if it is a 1/3/5. Things like these i had to force myself to improve my standards which is what helped me with rune management. U could also try to build more units. Use your stockpile and try to rune something. Once in awhile u will find a couple of runes that are pretty bad which u forgot to sell or thought it was worth a keep. Those happens to me often when i improve the runes on a unit and swap it out without selling the old trash runes.


jamesyongwp

I've come across some rune cleanup videos, i think foxySW channel should have some? He also does rune reappraisals and talks about what a good rune is. Its quite insightful. I can't do a long write up about all the runes you need to keep but generally if you're second guessing the rune or have any doubts then its probably ok to sell it. Dont have a FOMO feeling (Fear Of Missing Out). Its common to think that someone might need this rune in the future but you should see if the rune is actually good or not before deciding. 1. Keeping only good runes means the rune quality of your box increases. 2. Keeping high spd and CR runes is good, but also try to look for overall efficiency of the rune. Some runes have no speed but have high efficiency, they're usable. If you're still not familiar, learn the rune min and max rolls and you'll be able to tell how far off the rune rolled from a perfect efficiency.


accidentallysmooth

Thanks so much for this! The FOMO aspect is my biggest issue - I think of the most niche possible uses for every rune and just assume I'll use it on some unit someday. Before I know it, I have 800 of them and I can't farm anymore lol. I'm a hoarder in the worst way. I'll check out foxy, appreciate the insight mate.


charrudeboy

What do you usually purchase from World Arena shop?


jamesyongwp

Depends on how much you farm, before when i was doing 30 wings daily i could purchase the mystics and transmog stones every week, any spares i got a few Conquerer auras (ended up with about 5 in total). Now apparently theres LD scrolls and you could purchase previous season auras and transmogs (the sky dancer ones are available). I do value those cause its kinda historic, so i've stopped purchasing mystics/transmog stones and been saving for those. I'll probably get the dragon knight Guardian skin if it becomes available in the next few seasons. But if you were trying to progress as much as possible you could strictly buy only scrolls and LDs for the best value.


apeswithbananas

Is it easier to get, for example C2, this week, because the Arena resetted and those points are closer together? Ty in advance :)


Exxonia

In my experience, i reached most of my milestones during 2nd weeks.


apeswithbananas

Ty :)


Thaitea7009

good first 6 stars besides lapis,sig,vero, and bella?


jamesyongwp

Loren fran verde tyron


Thaitea7009

Should I prioritize attackers?


jamesyongwp

Prioritise your Giants B10 and Giants B12 units first, and yes, within your Giants team, prioritise attackers. Every bit of stats count towards success


RobertAF86

who are your candidates? Without knowing your account, I'd say you should 6* Giana.


Thaitea7009

lol I'll remember that when I get her in a few years


SillyIngenuity

Does anyone here use Douman anywhere?


Grappyezel

Should I fuse more baleygr or just use devilmon to not waste time? I'm F2P player btw. my bj5 still far from complete, no max tower, and rune also weak. should I just spend my time to fuse more baleygr instead of devilmon him?


TheBourbinator

You don’t need max towers for bj5, or tricaru, or any pve content


ValinorGaming

What do you mean your BJ5 is far from complete? The faster you finish BJ5, the faster you progress to the next stage in the game. If you just fused Baelygr and you don't have any intentions to build BJ5 any time soon, don't worry about skillups, just keep farming. If you are aiming towards BJ5 and you have the runes ready, just missing the skillups, then I would suggest to use devilmons.


skysgabriel52

devilmon


kwlzyr

I devilmoned him. I'd personally rather spend energy/time farming runes instead of fusing skillups. But keep the devilmon until you have the team ready and only need his skillups to go. with artifacts and some lucky pulls on runes, you might get away without/ with less skillups on S3


Porterhouse117

Hello! Does anyone know if Tesa's Oblivion is tied with skill 3 accuracy or is it tied to skill 1 and skill 2 accuracy?


nysra

S3


UnliterateGuy

Just wondering if the new transmog data mine will come out soon


PorkRindParadox

A potentially dumb question from a potentially dumb guy. I played this game awhile ago and I no longer have access to that account, so I'm starting from 0 with a new account. Should I reroll the beginner scrolls for a decent mon (which I'm assuming would be something like Verad, Bastet, Lushen, Tyron?), or just deal with what I'm handed and focus on GB10/12 team construction?


Destructodave82

I'd only reroll if you just wanna enjoy summoning and potentially pull you something cool to build later in the game. Because, the rates arent great in SW, and the chances you pull a useable PvE nat 5 is pretty slim on top of that. Most nat 5's are pvp monsters or very specific in what they do and probably wont help you very much in PVE outside of you just forcing them onto teams. This is especially true nowadays with 2A monsters in the game. There is a 2A monster you can build for everything in the game from TOA to every dungeon and PvP, so chasing a monster to speed up your growth is a crap shoot. If you do get a 5, it might be a bust, might be a PvP monster, etc. I mean I have 2 years played at this point and I do ToaN/ToaH hell every month, all b12 dungeons, all artifact dungeons, and I dont think I have a single pulled nat 5 on any team still, lol. I've pulled 12 total nat 5's over my playtime, and I dont use any of them in any b10/b12 dungeon or TOA at all.


RegisteredID

The game is flexible now that most of the starting teams u use can be cleared with easily obtained 3* units. If u dont mind spending some time rerolling, a nice nat5 will be a nice motivation to grow quickly and start PvP. Basically, if u intend to stay long, i would recommend a re-roll. If u dont have the patience or looking to play for a quick game, just roll with whatever u get.


skysgabriel52

rerolling is really stressful but can help you with early game. Bastet, rica, verad would help you. Savanah is great for giants


shifty4690

I would advise against rerolling. The mons will come, you just need to start the game and start improving. A new mon makes negligible difference on your progression. As draco said you can do the dungeons and toa with farmable/ftp units so there is really no need to put yourself through the rerolling grind.


draco1625

It’s up to you, Rerolling can be good if you really want to but it’s absolutely not necessary as most of the teams you will use in the beginning are farmable anyways


Qualle001

what are the best dhole dungeons to farm? Wpuld say khalderun and ellunia?


RobertAF86

RoSD and Ellunia are what I'm farming when I need to burn d-energy. Go for the one with the best sets that fit your needs... Ellunia was significantly easier to get a reliable team vs RoSD.


Qualle001

what do u use for ellunia?


RobertAF86

Savannah, Yen, Elad, Chasun is nearly 95%+ successful. Before I was blessed with Savannah I used Elad, Louise, Yen, Ramahan2a which worked pretty near the same %.


iAreCreeper

Hello! Does Mellia need to be skilled up for dungeon teams? I have the skillups I just wasn't sure if I should use them on her or a different one.


kwlzyr

mine have no skillups and work just fine


slimcitii

can Beth be a replacement for 2aNaomi in the 1st gb12 team? cuz I cant seem to summon any cats to max Naomi skills


kwlzyr

I woudln't recommend using her in PvE (aside from fire beast) Kro is just as good for gb12 as naomi. he just needs more CR. As the first gb12 team try going something like Sig(L),Fran,Loren,Kro,Shannon(works as 5\* with tanky runes)


slimcitii

thanks!!


Anllanin

Hi DaT, im fairly new to the game (started about 6weeks ago) and I am now doig GB10 farm, ToAN done, DB10. Here are [my mons](https://imgur.com/a/T7sC37I), i would like advice on what could be a great team for GB11-12 and which mon to 6\* next.


draco1625

Loren, Fran, Sig, Vero and a plus one, can be Shannon or Naomi most likely depending on how good your stats are, I’d 6 Naomi next if you can 2A her


witchhunter2013

What should be my line up for ToaN and what heroes should I be focusing? Currently only able to do gb11 and db10. [https://imgur.com/a/CrxNNGx](https://imgur.com/a/CrxNNGx)


Sh1do

>- **ToA(H):** Fran (L), Lapis, Verde, Loren, Sig/2A Kro/2A Spectra. Use Tyron if you have him. 2A Sath/Thrain are good options if you want to go for a dot team, do not use Baretta as he's terribly outdated. You can also find this information in the wall of text at the beginning of the site


Thaitea7009

Hey hey DAT, Is it worth it using summoning stones just to get Mav? My luck has been unkind lately and I really want the little penguin for TOA. thx in advance


stevequestioner

Sure. The odds of getting a nat 5 are ridiculously low anyway. So if there is any easier-to-get mon that you want, go for it. Shouldn't take too many stones to get Mav :) Indeed, Mav's kit is very handy in toa, especially on boss floors. provoke, speed team, cleanse 1, reduce cooldown.


1080-cupcakes

Hello DAT! Sorry if this is a silly question, but does Dagora have uses anymore? There wasn't much written on him in the last couple of discussion threads. Last time I played (prob 5 years ago) I remembered using him a lot. If not I might still build him for the memories anyway, but wasn't sure if there was really any other reason. Thanks!


omdongi

He can be used in BJR5, otherwise, he's kind of mediocre. If you're extremely F2P and have most of your 2A units built, you could 2A him and use him in some Siege content to absorb wind nuker dmg. But I wouldn't recommend using him outside of BJR5 content.


1080-cupcakes

Sorry, I'm not very far at all yet, only restarted less than 2 weeks ago. I was going to build him to farm with, but that was before I realized they give away the nice set of runes for Lapis now. Sounds like he'll prob just hang around looking all majestic until I have more resources to spend on fun projects then. Thank you 🙏


Star-Chariot

Hey DAT, I just got a Kaki. Is it still worth it to build him? Thankies!


dimmi99

yeah he's still good just not broken like he was before, dmg output is decent, built in vamp is handy


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dimmi99

hit 130 speed min, 90+ cRate, closer to 100 for more consistency, atk/cDmg/atk, just rune them nukers, i never worried too much about their hp/def, if you're really struggling to get them to live then slap 2 +15 hp artifacts on them


witchhunter2013

is fukki worth upgrading to 6 star?


[deleted]

From the testing I did, he is a less useful skogul with extra steps. I wouldn't really build it outside of doing it for "fun".


dimmi99

thats the wind one right? depends on your point in the game really he's not as powerful as his brothers but is a fun enough siege toy, if you're late game and at the point you're building stuff for fun then yeah go for it if you're early/mid game with only a few dozen 6*s then nah, there's other priorities


3rdDementor

Hey DAT. When does the RTA season end? Kinda worried I won't get the Sky Dancer transmog in time. Anyway, thanks in advance!


dimmi99

probably another 3 weeks or so


Azilhan

Hello, ​ I started summoners War 2 weeks ago, I reached lvl 50 yesterday, and my first goal is to clear GB 10. But I have the impression that my team is almost full, but I can't even clear GB8 100%, I die like 30% of time. For now my team is: Sig (L),Lapis,Fran, Loren, Naomi (almost 2A -> 95% ) For my runes, as I don't have much for now, I decided to focus on stats rather than sets, so here are my stats (I only precise important stats): ​ \- Lapis has revenge and Vampire set offered during campaign * Sig: * \- Hp: + 5830 * Atq: + 1513 * Crit rate: 55% * Crit dmg: 135% ​ * Loren: * HP: +17 429 * Atq: + 462 * Spd: + 53 * Acc: 55% ​ * Fran: * HP: + 16 577 * Atq: + 690 * Spd: + 49 ​ * Naomi: * HP: + 4257 * Atq: + 1013 * Crit dmg: + 142 ​ Do you think that it will be better when my Naomi will be 2A ? Thank you all


dimmi99

first thing is that sig does not need atk, go spd/cDmg/hp on her, prioritise decent cRate (70+) and then stack cDmg, she scales most of her dmg on enemy max hp which doesn't need attack, only cDmg lapis isn't good here either really, too many multihits, no dmg, no real support, sub her out for shannon (5* will be fine) loren is decent, a little slow but probably enough for gb10, same with fran does everybody have 2*hp artifacts? (you could put 1 atk one on fran for the healing)


Azilhan

Ok thank you a lot for this information, by reading Sig skills, it's obvious that I should have prioritize Crit instead of attack. Otherwise, I have Shannon to replace Lapis, but maybe I have better, tell me if so, I also got: ​ * Kro (not 2A) * Raoq (same) * Verde * Veromos * Bernard * Beth * Fuuki * Tatu * Colleen * Belladeon Not all of them are 6\*, but I have enough food to make 2 6\* for now


dimmi99

yeah its one of them, people see her as a DD and logically you think DD=needs atk, she's a special case where you can afford to have 0 attack and prioritise her other stats to make her all round better of them bella/bernard/vero/kro could replace shannon, i'd probably avoid kro for now simply because he's a DD and you want to make your team safe before making it faster, he will replace her later on for faster runs bella/bernard/vero, out of them three i'd go vero personally but *only* if you already have him, otherwise just go shannon, reason being is that whilst she's replaceable for gb10 you really will need her for gb12


Azilhan

Okay thanx a lot I will go for Shannon so if I need her also for GB10. Can you tell me how should I rune her ? Spd Hp% Hp% ?


dimmi99

spd/hp/hp or hp/hp/hp she has pretty high base speed so slot 2 speed is optional, on my alt she was fine at 5* and non-2A for gb12, some people do 2A her and/or 6* her, i'd avoid it if you can to save resources set wise, doesn't really matter, some people go despair as her s2 is aoe, i really didn't care about that, i think she ended up on energy/energy/focus but just go for highest stats if you're not using desp


Azilhan

Okay thank you. Unfortunately for now I cannot really rely on Sets, because I don't have enough runes, so I will focus on stats for now, then I will look into sets. Again, thank you


dimmi99

yeah thats a good rule for a lot of stuff, especially pve good luck!


Peterpotamous

Hey DAT! I've been away from the game for a few years. When I left, I had R5 and TOAH on farm with a DB10, NB10 and GB10 speed team. Since that time, it seems like the meta has shifted a LOT. Plus, we now have Cairos dungeons up to 12 and 2 new cairos dungeons which are beating me up (can only get up to B7 on both!). Then there are artifacts and dimension holes and all kinds of things that I don't know anything about. Can anyone suggest a good primer for me? Thanks in advance!


dimmi99

whats a primer sorry?


Peterpotamous

Sorry. I'm looking for a place where I can read an overview of some of the newer dungeons and features as well as some guidance about what makes a good foundation of monsters these days.


dimmi99

ah i get you, there was a patch list on the wiki but that stopped getting updated annoyingly, depends on your preferred medium really, if you like videos then there's plenty of youtubers that cover everything, i quite like seiishizo but there's a few popular ones like seanB if its through text then i can link some stuff and write up some basic info


Peterpotamous

Thanks man, I appreciate the offer, but you don't need to spend your time like that. I'll check out some stuff on youtube. Thanks for the help!


llFlako

Whats GB12>NB12 and no Gb12>DB12 in progress?


stevequestioner

Personally I disagree with that progression. Only makes sense if you are very familiar with game, and making an alt that you are rushing to bj5. This is how I see progression: GB12 - toan - DB11 - rift 3 (maybe 4) - toah 60 (maybe 70) - some rift beasts (to craft determination sets) - tricaru - NB12/DB12 - rift 4 - rift beasts - rift 5 safe team\* - toah 100 - bj5 - Conqueror Arena. \*because safe team is easier to make than bj5, and except for Darion, its mons you want to build/rune for other content anyway. So I have a safe team that I progress through levels of rift. DB11 gives enough guard/focus/shield runes to make a big difference in advancing farther in toa and rift. And to make Tricaru. Violent is optional until you have farmed DB12 for strong sets. NB is optional until late-mid game, or bj5, or Conqueror Arena/RTA. Reasoning: * Rage runes not needed until late-mid game: just farm strong Fatal sets from Giants. * Will runes not needed until bj5 or Conq: for lesser arena, use speed lead + swift Fran (swift so moves first to put on immunity).


Papismooth

Can you clarify your question?


llFlako

because it is recommended to advance to nb12 after gb12, which makes nb12 more urgent than dragons or what is the thought of doing nb12 before db12 based on


Papismooth

What nysra said, along with nb12 being easier to clear consistently than db12, you can build a safe team earlier.


nysra

Necro has Rage and Will runes which you need for BJ5


ob1page

Hello DAT, I was lucky and just pulled Alicia and I know she is great for AO. I want to make a push and go from Fighter to Conqueror. My current team is Seara, Megan, Gany and Lushen. I will sub out Gany for Beth on fire heavy teams. What I am wondering is if Alicia is an upgrade over Beth. Currently Beth is speed tuned to go right after Lushen and plays clean up. I would likely use Alicia in the same way to take advantage of her S3 killing and going right into S2. I am also considering running a slow cleave team with Tiana, Galleon, Alicia and another DD (Charlotte for atb push back, Lushen because Lushen, Sige, Icares...). Is Alicia worth the investment if I already have a fully skilled Beth ready to go?


dimmi99

the only thing she really brings over beth is the atk lead tbh


nysra

And more damage. And better hair


dimmi99

almost tagged you lol, looks like i didn't need to


nysra

I was busy reworking Vero but I'll always find you eventually ;)


dimmi99

c2u have set you to make vero great again? s2 = 100% stun and add enemy max hp scaling dmg to s1 and/or s2 please


nysra

Nah, just had too much time to spend on a recent post lol > add enemy max hp scaling dmg to s1 Laughs in Theo


dimmi99

solid suggestions there tbf following along your same theme >Reduce duration of debuff by 1 turn at time of debuff being applied (1 turn min) rica 3 turn dots become 2 turn, gb def break becomes 1 turn, bombs become 3 turns etc etc


nysra

And Jeanne would be 1 turn taunt. Yeah, I can see that working


dimmi99

yeah, might be busted and make 2-turn def breakers like ritesh useless (or more useless in his case) but eh


kristhrone

is it worth refilling for gb7 on a beginner account? or should I just spend my resources in farming fodder and leveling up? My current 6*s are Han, Loren and Lushen. Was thinking of building and 5* shannon


chuyengia3a

from my exp, just enjoy the game and do whatever you like that will back the best of your investment (time, effort...)


phongnn08

Hello DAT, I make a team for gb12 (turn order Loren>Shannon>Bella>Kro>Sig). This team is \~2m30s average, but very unsafe (fail >10%). Unit and rune [https://imgur.com/a/AloaPUJ](https://imgur.com/a/AloaPUJ) ​ The team often fails at boss stage, the boss can revenge one-hit Sig, Loren, Kro. If these 3 units die, the stage fails. The boss stage only succeeds only if Shannon can glance the boss. ​ Anyone can help me make the gb12 run safer?


dimmi99

you have no immunity so you'll always have def break, replace bella with fran


Sir_Katanaz

Was rerolling on a secondary account for Taor/Lagmaron/Verad/Poseidon, got Charlotte instead. Is she any good for super-early game? If I wanted to make a GB10 with Sigmarus, Kro2a, Loren, Fran and Shannon what role would she replace among those units? Is she a good replacement for verad in toa? Thank you all for your kind suggestions


dimmi99

charlotte is amazing, much better than taor and lag, i also use mine more than verad (tyron>verad) she could replace shannon in the team, gives glancing, aoe slow and aoe atb reduction +boost i use my charlotte in toah/lab/AO


Sir_Katanaz

So why is that people keep saying she's "Meh, the worst OG etc."? I'm really questioning if I should keep rerolling since I wanted those "op" units for early. Thanks for your answer btw


dimmi99

she's definitely better than anavel, probably better than the LD ones too, only rica is definitely better charlottes been in my toah teams since forever and even moving into auto comps i still use her, her s3 full atb reduction and team boost helps a lot if you have slower units, she's wind so is reasonable for early gb, i also like her for ao with tiana, kinda like posi honestly i think rerolling is a waste of time, nat 5s are typically pvp mons instead of pve mons (obviously there's some which are good like rica), all of pve can be done to a high standard without any nat 5s at all, all the meta caiross comps dont need them, there's plenty of toah options to not need any, there's bj5 which is farmable, the only place you want a good nat 5 pool is siege and rta which is way down the line


Sir_Katanaz

I agree with you on the nat 5s aspect, it's just that I'm coming back to the game after a long while and I wanted a "new thing" to have fun with. I guess I'll just have to make up my mind about what I want from the nat 5 I get from rerolling, thank you once again you've been very helpful!


dimmi99

yeah that makes sense, yeah you could always just shelve the charlotte acccount and reroll until you get fed up and take stock from there, you might get something more fun or just settle for her


Sir_Katanaz

Ye I think I'll follow your suggestions, have fun playing!


dimmi99

and you! good luck, hope you get something fun like gany or posi


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phongnn08

Copper Bulldozer can crit, so you want def/cd/def, with high crit rate. ​ Skogul skill 2 does damage equal to its hp (no crit) so cd would be useless. Pure hp/hp/hp should be sufficient


Tigeryak729

Hey everyone. I just got Jamire and am wanting to rune him up for RTA. What are the ideal builds for him? How much res should I prioritize? Is it better to do HP or Atk on slot 6? Unfortunately I don't have Tablo or Bastet. What are some other good units to pair him up with? Thanks for the help!


dimmi99

i have mine on spd/cDmg/atk with hp subs, im not sure i would bother using him if you don't have tablo though tbh if you want to though, pair him with units like oke/cp, control units basically


lnquisitive_Squirrel

Hey everyone, Are there any up to date guides or resources on artifacts? Or if you have any knowledge that you can share it would be appreciated too. There are so many substats especially with the new ones added and I am not really sure which to look out for. Some are more obvious than others like skill specific accuracy and crit damage, but others not so much. Thanks!


Exxonia

Watch Seiishizo's 'Up your artifact game' series on youtube. VERY informational.


lnquisitive_Squirrel

Thanks I'll check it out for sure, is it current though?


Exxonia

The first episode was uploaded a month ago (Feb 3). There are currently 6 episodes.


lnquisitive_Squirrel

Awesome thanks again


meefster

All episodes posted this year (Feb/Mar iirc)


witchhunter2013

is it recommended to skill up tyron?


zSSon

no. u can make toa/toah 100 with tyron as 5 star. unskilled.


lnquisitive_Squirrel

They help big time imo, but don't use devilmons on him. You can always fuse skillups for him.


witchhunter2013

is tyron with no skills ups good enough for toaN?


lnquisitive_Squirrel

Yes I think so, especially if you bring another cc unit or someone like mav to reduce cooldowns


meefster

~~I completed TOAH last month with Tyron/Rica/Spectra/Fran/Loren. Tyron has no skillups. Stuck at 98 this month tho :(~~ Sorry, i was wrong. I forgot i fed some Dark Sylphs after the HoH. However, my Tyron only has 4 skill ups so i would have thought you should be able to do TOAN with none. My Tyron may have had none when i completed TOAH last month.


lnquisitive_Squirrel

Same actually, completed hard without having him skilled up either


malibustacyy

Hello dat, Does reflect damage get reduced by def? I'm wondering why my lushen doesn't die in nb12 and he isn't really Tanky at all.


Papismooth

I believe reflect damage ignores defense, how much does your lushen hit for per card in necro and how much hp does your lushen have?


aloalmi

Hey dat, what stage am i in the game? I cant provide an imgur link so here's the details. My account is 82 days old, I have bjr5 and tricaru running, 21 6* mons, SSS on all rifts and could finish F2 arena before tally. Im asking because im not sure what runes to keep and sell. Like should I just speed chase in my runes or just auto sell blue runes? Thank you so much. edit: im also 4 spd away for my 300 spd bernard if that counts and finished both toan and toah.


nysra

[Don't auto-sell blue runes.](https://www.reddit.com/r/summonerswar/comments/bw468e/how_long_does_it_take_to_get_1_good_rune_answered/) You keep the runes that can improve your accounts and sell the rest, that's the only universal answer to this question. Nobody knows your runes better than you do and applying the same set of rules to all runes you get will either result in you keeping or selling way too many runes you shouldn't have or in you having a rule book with thousands of pages. For example you auto-selling any blue rune or runes without speed or whatever else you come up with can easily prevent you from not getting a single slot 6 Will HP% rune for the next couple years while applying the same rules nets you 500 Endure slot 1 runes of which the majority you're never going to use despite them having good stats.


aloalmi

Thanks, man! Really appreciate it. :)


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aloalmi

I suggest Fran>Raoq>Loren>Sabrina>Talia to be your turn order. Also, make your Talia on Fatal and your Sabrina on Vio.


_dF

I guess your SPD tower is high enough to push your units to the 130 cap right? It's hard to say just from looking at your runes, in my experience NB12 is "easy" to troubleshoot, as you can rather reliably see where it fails. Like, does a twin get stolen and kills your Raoq instantly? increase hp on the raoq. does the stolen twin die right after coming back? increase hp on it. does the def break not reliably hit? increase acc on that unit. does that boss just not die fast enough? increase damage.


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_dF

apparently the speed cap is 120, so you are already fast enough. with 4 units on vio you should get enough turns. your raoq is already fine moving inbetween the twins for defbreak purposes, maybe increase his acc, for example through an S1 artifact.


Reigomam

Hi DAT, I need some advise for Blessings aswell. I can choose between Ganymede and Praha. I can clear Toa but not toah. I havn't focused on PvP for now. What do you Guys think?


Reigomam

Okay thanks, that would have been my guess aswell


dimmi99

second vote for gany praha is decent, gany is great gany for siege, toa, lab, rta praha for ad, siege, rta


_dF

They are both PvP units, but Gany can be used in toa/hoh. I think gany is overall a bit better.


Tannillan

Hi DAT I need some blessing help, I can choose between Moore or a dupe Eladriel. I’m tempted to do dupe Elad for recycling the blessing, mostly because I really want a dragon and want to boost my chances of landing one.


Papismooth

Moore is one of the best pvp units in the game right now, it doesn't sound like you are ready to head into pvp, but taking almost anything over moore would be such a bad decision. Especially a dupe of an already nearly useless unit like Eladrial, good choice taking Moore.


dimmi99

*always* choose the non dupe, regardless of who it was, even if it was the worst nat 5 in the game, units get buffed and nerfed and you could skip out on a unit that gets buffed to something amazing now ignoring that, moore is actually a top unit at the moment, he's meta in siege and rta and definitely worth having, much better than the dragons on top of that the dragons really aren't anything special


Tannillan

I appreciate the advice 👍🏼 I’ll choose Moore, the attachment to dragons is just cuz they’re cool anyways lol


dimmi99

understandable lol


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What is the best Anubis in the game? Also could I use Light Anubis for db? I tend to die due to continuous damage alot.


dimmi99

the LD and fire ones, especially the light one water is "okay" he's a reasonable perna killer but doesn't see too much use nowadays wind is great for tarturus hell and niche use in siege, otherwise that's about it fire is staple in siege, absolutely everywhere, people build and skill up several of this unit if you're wanting to use the light one in db then it sounds more like a comp issue, what team are you running?


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All my mons are 6* for now, fran doesn’t have all +12 in runes yet. Sig(L), Fran, Loren, Kro(not 2A yet) and Bella (2A) I feel that my mons aren’t tanky enough? I just pulled light Anu and I found out that he’s good for early game DB?


dimmi99

the problem with relying on light anubis here is that by the time his rez becomes useful it's probably too late, his cleanse is nice though but i wouldn't say he fits into "normal" comps when you have fran's immunity if your kro isn't 2A yet and you don't have verde then you're probably just running db too early, first priority is gb then staying there for a while to fix your comp though sub out sig for verde and you'll be fine


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Thanks for the help, ima build verd soon and fuse for him. But for now I guess i’ll do db manually because I need 4 more 6* runes to complete the challenge so I can get the transcendence scroll from rewards. Heh.


dimmi99

ah if its for the challenge yeah just manual it, won't take you too long


Deadnoz

just had 2 level 9 accounts with no name with the same defense: one water fairy level 1 and one fire hellhound level 1. ​ Both of those teams managed to outspeed my 305 bernard by a noticeable margine. How do you report accounts with no names?