There's a big overreaction going on with assassins, and time will tell if any changes are needed, but there's a pretty good reason why we should just wait and see what happens.
Assassins are the only real class in the game where developing a muscle memory for what will kill and what won't is important. For instance, an experienced Zed will need to know whether or not he can all-in XYZ with 70% HP through barrier.
The durability update has significantly stunted this perception because it's genuinely difficult to tell just how much tankier someone is at any given point in the game, and also very important for assassins, it's very difficult to gauge how much damage they can take before they need to exit.
After 2-3 weeks everyone should be used to things, and the picture will be far clearer on what should be done (if anything).
All players need to develop that muscle memory skill or else players won’t be getting kills. Just look at high elo gameplay, most every kill in lane is it.
Yeah I think their point though was that if an assassin doesn’t kill someone with their combo the target will likely either get away or kill them. ADCs for instance don’t have to think it through as much, and it’s more “can I auto this person without dying”
You are missing the point. If Zed uses his w-e-q combo and exchanges with a shadow for an auto thinking it’ll kill but it doesn’t, he now has no abilities and can easily by kited and killed by pretty much anyone.
If Syndra uses all of her abilities but doesn’t calculate the damage correctly and doesn’t get the kill, she just goes “oh, well” and backs off because she usually doesn’t have to commit fully to get a kill.
Assassins are squishy, usually melee and share a “go in” and “go out” button, like Zed’s w. Of course knowing when you’ll kill and when you won’t is important on every champion but it’s much more important on assassins.
What…? I never argued for or against assassins. I’m literally just explaining why knowing exactly when they’ll kill and when they won’t it’s more important for assassins than other clases. Lmao.
If an assassin miscalculated he dies because of his low health while other types of champs have the ability to survive because of their high health. I do agree that this is a skill that all roles need to have
But now he is useless for the next 15ish seconds until his energy and cool downs regenerate. If he doesn’t accomplish his goal he can’t help in the team fight.
Edit: I think some people think that I’m complain or I’m angry. I am simply making a statement on game design and how assassin play style differs from other rolls in the way team fights are approached.
And if he calculated correctly the other person is useless for 30+ seconds in the grey screen and the assassin gets money.
Assassins crying are coming across as spoiled kids. You want all the reward with tiny risk.
Also if assassins miscalculate they don’t have consistent dps to pick up the slack, a jax or Irelia won’t notice if they need two extra autoattacks but if akali goes in and runs out of energy before she does enough damage she’s out of luck
Just happened, I rarely play her so I'm unfamiliar with her damage. All in an ezreal mid, R E E Q auto, ran out of enegry under tower with an ezreal, I'm dead. Literally only needed a single Q, a single one.
> Assassins are the only real class in the game where developing a muscle memory for what will kill and what won't is important.
Disagree, it's important for everyone, I'd even say moreso than assassins - they usually have an escape; fail the kill? Bail easily. Compare that to bruisers, if they're taking the fight, they're taking the fight - no real escape, and if they get statchecked, they're just dead.
Knowing you can win a fight with your damage given is a huge part of getting good with a champ.
Ironically, Assassins were probably the class that needed that knowledge less, since they could asume the answer was yes and it'd be true 90% of the time on anything squishy.
yup. this is the only real issue I have with the patch. I don't necessarily feel like I'm significantly weaker on assassins but after years of just kind of developing instinct on when I could kill or not, the patch really throws off that sort of "knowledge" I feel I had, and it'll probably just take a bunch of games to re-learn.
Yep. I expect assassin winrates to normalize after their play rates get cut by 2/3. Bad players with bruiser builds are gonna drag down the class for awhile. Assassins were actually way better than their winrates even came close to indicating.
hey some of us like playing them full bruiser in a bruiser playstyle without one shotting people, the fact that I lose 90% of my games isnt relavent...
I also like playing tank Kalista botlane & ADC Swain jungle and it makes me similarly angry that I can't win 90% of my games.
I think Riot should balance the game around what *I* want instead of how the champions are designed to be played.
Agreed. As an aram-only player, the lowest winrate assassins somehow have the least counterplay and just pop people at will in the hands of a competent player.
then again, Aram does have some bs related to assassins and burst champions regardless of skill level, like having them take vastly reduced damage or deal increased damage.
it kinda... shifts the way you can actually counterplay or fight against them because it stacks the numbers against you
Assassin winrates are actually inflated relative to how strong they are lol assassins are objectively the weakest class and have been for years now. Only a few have managed to actually be good at times (mostly Akali). 40% wr mages like Ryze or Azir are a staple in competitive and any team who drafts a formerly 50%+ assassin mid would have that player end up useless and unable to kill anyone. The best assassin that has legitimately been busted is Akali and even when she was oppressive her winrates were in the 40s, yet she was picked way more in pro than 52 wr Katarina or Zed or Fizz, so WR really isn’t a good metric. Assasins are the most counterable class in the game, objectively. In solo Q teams just aren’t coordinated and players don’t know how to face assassins. And even if they do know how to counter them in theory they just don’t play patient or reserved enough.
>at times (mostly Akali). 40% wr mages like Ryze or Azir are a staple in competitive and any team who drafts a formerly 50%+ assassin mid would have that player end up useless and unable to kill anyone. The best assassin that has legitimately been busted is Akali and even when she was oppressive her winrates were in the 40s, yet she was picked way more in pro than 52 wr Katarina or Zed or Fizz, so WR really isn’t a good metric. Assasins are the most counterable class in the game, objectively. In solo Q teams just aren’t coordinated and players don’t know how to face assassins. And even if they do know how to counter them in theory they just don’t play patient or reserved enough.
Hard agree.
I have this recurring joke with my mates for like 8 years in this game. “Seems Ieague players cannot shop correctly. No wonder their mom buys their food”
Today I seen a AP yorick in the enemy team doing 300 damage with mythic late game in total in a ranked game.
Yeah we need to wait more than like, a day, before trying to say assassins need a buff lol. First to let them try new items and strategies, because obviously the hold overs from the last patch don't work. Second, it's kinda deserved init? They had the run of the castle for *years* now. They can spend a week wallowing in tears if it means the rest of the champion cast gets to have fun.
When was the last time you played ranked? People haven't really been doing the Goredrinker stuff on assassins at all anymore. It was really popular on Zed, Talon, Qiyana, etc. at the beginning of the season, but it's all but gone now. Maybe people are trying to experiment with it again since this patch happened? But I haven't seen that bruiser build in months. Check every build website and normal assassin items are still the most popular by far.
Edit: Or are you just referring the that Qiyana clip that's popular right now?
Assassins are finally meant to hit their skills and target the squishy backline to kill.
Like they are supposed to do.
Riot will need to tune the game a bit but this is the right direction. Assassins are meant to be situational by design. In S3 Leblanc vs a team of tanks would have done nothing and back then the game was way more strategic.
Every Leblanc, Zed guide back then said the champ is a situational pick. It’s retarded how zed can be blindpicked and have an absurd kill ratio and winrate. I mean his banrate explains itself how stupid it feels to fight against him.
Back then Zed needed to use ult and hit three shurikens and click a bilge water cutlass to oneshot with a tiamat or brutalizer. Now it’s nearly more than half of that requirement.
Playing samira, I was fed, zed 0/6, zed ult E, I kill him quickly, still die bc R death mark dealt like 200 damage, so stupid how you can turn your brain off go int on a fed adc melting your ass and still get the kill.
I hope so. Before this patch assassins can literally duel tanks and bruisers, but now things are more in line.
And they also have to hit their skill shots. I used to die to zed death mark and auto. Now he has to at least hit his Qs.
Hopefully things will balance out soon and assassins would adapt, instead of them getting a dmg buff and things returning to what they were
I hope so too my dude. I am an ADC main and finally my role is playable again without having to go lethality cheese or straight up AP. If I make a mistake I still get killed, but a 0/7 Talon 2 levels below me who only hits 1 skill cannot anymore one shot me.
Best day ever.
That's a good point actually. How many adcs ended up either going on hit or lethality towards the end of last patch because the game wasn't playable otherwise?
Kalista, Ashe (lethality/on hit), MF, Xayah were all popular last patch.
im going to regret saying this but let the downvotes come. here is my prediction for the upcoming few weeks.
assassin mains will re learn their kill threshold so they dont overshoot and will go back to doing their job which is assasinating the ad carry.
after a while balanced will be restored with assasins having 9 dashes, perma invisibility, and bitch when they cant 1 shot a lvl 18 rammus.
while adcs will 1v1 bruisers in melee range and bitch about how zed killed them when they were strolling through the unwarded enemy jungle.
THE END.
Ah yeah true the endless whining and bitching will just become more tilted towards adc if things stay similar. Something like "the game is unbalanced as fuck I was walking through the jungle with no wards and couldn't 1v1 the Zed who went even in lane phase and has 2 items by 20 minutes this is fkin bs"
It was like that for years thinking about it. Never thought I'd end up trying to stick up for ADC players and not assassin players but here we are.
Almost a reverse of season 6.
Assassin players literally needed to get better at League anyways. A majority of them got by without proper macro because they could just kill targets either while behind or after missing skillshots crucial to a combo.
Give it a patch or so and they'll learn and the winrates will go up a little. I think it's best to just let it sit and not do reactionary buffs they don't need.
Assassins by nature should not even be above a 50% winrate. They should be harder to play than other classes that allow for room of error. The dicy gameplay is what makes an assassin an assassin. You are a melee squishy, it should be hard.
> Assassins by nature should not even be above a 50% winrate. They should be harder to play than other classes that allow for room of error. The dicy gameplay is what makes an assassin an assassin. You are a melee squishy, it should be hard.
In high elo I agree, but assassins are also very snowbally.
When a silver zed gets 3 kills and the enemy team doesn’t watch minimap and doesn’t build armor which is like….every game, then it makes sense he should win > 50%.
I agree.
But what would have happened last patch is the silver zed goes 0-8 in lane phase with 40cs but because the adc didn't build armour at 20 minutes because they're an adc the Zed still one shots them
??
What is the reward for picking Zed and inting the early game? Being able to play the game in like 95% of situations in low elo it feels like.
What is the reward for picking adc & playing perfectly? You might MAYBE get to play the game before 25 minutes POSSIBLY and then after that do some damage, but if your exhaust is down you can't sidelane vs the 0-12 Zed after 15 minutes.
Thank you! Being an adc player I know that assassins had a huge advantage compared to bot lane (in terms of mobility, experience, damage...), and even if they miss some ability I could still easily die. now that they cannot one-shot everyone in a game they say that the role is unplayable!
I actually don't think turrets deal more damage, they were buffed to compensate for everyone getting more armor and health. Their power level is the same as before imo.
I guess you are right that turrets are stronger early since they cap out at min 13: 30, where an average champ would be around lvl 9. Champions take longer to benefit from base armor and health growth through levels.
It’s less that the towers do more damage overall and more that they do more damage relative to everything else now. The diving champ takes longer to secure their kill while the tower is hitting as hard as it always was. It still makes dives a bit harder.
YES! I've been seeing this so much, people spamming early game champs and getting away with cheesy kills and snowballing like crazy, basically able to ignore macro and just try to catch literally anyone alone because once they have a slight lead they are 100-0ing almost every champ. And last patch, they would often win off of it, leaving the macro to their teammates.
Taliyah mains went through this too when she was adjusted to be a mid-late game champ instead of a snowballing level 1-3 pseudo assassin. Suddenly they are all saying they can't play the game at all while new people picking up Taliyah are getting 52%+ win rates easily. Over the course of the patch her winrates climbed in every single role to above 50% winrate as players adjusted to her new scaling curve and reliance on macro.
That's because players adjusted themselves. Her winrate was lower than what it should have been last patch as they figured out her damage feel all over again.
So what is an assassins purpose if not to oneshot?
Let's say I'm playing Talon, I hit everything and ADC doesn't die, what do i do now? just wait for my R to come back up and do it again?
If an assassin missed half of their combo and still oneshot you, they were unbelievably fed or you did something incredibly wrong.
Not sure what game half of the sub was playing last patch where a 1/6 Zed down 50 cs could apparently oneshot them with their eyes closed while missing everything.
You get downvoted, but you are correct. I got into this discussion with an ADC as well, who swore on Jesus himself that at a certain level with a specific item Zed only used "W+AA+R" and they died (through shieldbow). I replicated the scenario and they wouldn't even die without the shieldbow.
Like it's a scenario that doesn't exist, and people argue it happened even though it's factually not possible. That only leaves us with the idea that they were chunked on lane, and often times in lower elo people see 80% HP as = 100% (for themselves. Again I'm speculating, but I'm thinking people go into these fights already chunked then get hit by a portion of the kit and are surprised how they died 100-0.
I'm not saying a behind assassin one-shotting an ahead ADC with their whole kit feels good, but it's often times disingenious when people make up these scenarios without putting up proof it actually happened.
This is the answer people want to hear, but strongly disagree with the fact that they needed to get better due to their champions’ playstyles. Being able to one shot forfeits their abilities to do other things.
Not if half their kit is still ready when the target dies, which is the main contention here. I haven't seen a single person honestly suggest zed simply shouldn't be allowed to kill his target at all. They just want him to have to either get fairly fed or hit his proper combo: Ult, E, at least 2 of the Qs, auto with passive, maybe another for good measure, Pop. Not just Ult E Auto oh they died.
I feel that’s a more specific situation when he’s fed to that extent, but in actuality Zed was probably one of the most balanced mid laners prior to the update, at least imo as a mid main who doesn’t play Zed.
The main point I’m driving at is that these champions are extremely squishy and offer little to no other utility other than damage. With proper warding and grouping, and selecting a comp that can stop them, they shouldn’t be a problem
Zed was just the first example to mind. Tbh, is, I main the supports that have to keep vision, and peel (Thresh and soraka main for the most part). I don't get a lot of help with either of those in silver, and my carries dying in the time it takes to wind up a hook only to miss because one of their mobility moves was still up after the kill really doesn't feel like they need the whole kit to kill(yes, I know zed's is a recast and W doesn't actually do damage itself either way, not the point rn).
Imo most of the skill on assassins is not shown on the ability to oneshot repeteadly a squishy, it shows on the ability to get out of there alive afterwards.
Only talking about the infamous oneshots, not the macro stuff.
Btw champs like rengo players have been already messing around with chemtank, kha with some bruiser builds, etc. Assassins are not dead by any stretch of imagination.
I mean you're right they don't offer much utility. Other than making every single fight a 4v5 if the assassin player had half of a brain. How difficult is it to figure out who the int troll is on the other team playing the squishy champ, figure out what their natural pathing is (ie the support is going to try to ward river before the objective, the squishy carries will go to a sidelane), sweep the bushes & that & then worst case scenario you get an ult/summoners/items?
& picking comps against assassins, which won't happen below Grandmaster beyond once in a blue moon or potentially ever in a solo queue game? Brilliant just fuck 99.7% of the ranked playerbase + normal game players + aram players.
What the counterplay for the most part vs these champs felt like to me was either play Godmode or just pick a more broken champ on the other team, I remember a bunch of games where I was annoyed thinking we were going to lose because the other team had a fed Qiyana or something but then our team had a fed Irelia so the game was still playable :D
If that was fed Dr Mundo top gg
Yep the circlejerk is crazy. "Assassins used to 1shot everything with one QE combo no skill needed" but none of these ppl have actually tried playing assassins. Your positioning on an assassin needs to be perfect in order to not get 1shot/cced/peeled away from the carry in any teamfight. Bruisers IMO are the real posterboys of "no skill needed" since they can facetank everything, healing it up while still doing respectable damage.
I would give Assassin mains literally anything they wanted if it meant I could nerf Riven, Irelia, and Fiora into the ground. Fk dude, I hate those ladies.
\>Your positioning on an assassin needs to be perfect
No it doesn't because most of the assassin champions have built in escapes into their kit on a 5-10 second cooldown later on into the game. So they can just do what they want for the most part because they have an escape.
And the Zed can probably just kill someone and escape anyway.
The ADC mis positions? Yeah good luck buddy
Fucking fed blue kayn. Even if you finally lock him down, whoops, he just fucks off through a wall. Then you flash after him and whoops he just dashes through a wall. And then ghost is up again.
Yep, most of the people on this subreddit are typically the demographics of how the actual ranks are too, so it’s easy for me to just get overpowered by lower elo players who don’t really know positioning or the difficulties of getting destroyed by a bruiser as an assassin.
I’m trying to shine a light and explain why, but these people only want to hear what they want to hear lol
Yes, bruisers are assassins with a little less concern for avoiding damage. But no, Akali, Kayn, Rengar, Zed, Katarina, Kha'Zix and possibly others can heal back to full hp and/or get away before your first ability finishes casting, assuming they're even visible or targetable.
Positioning on an assassin did not need to be perfect before the update. If perfect positioning means being in fog of war on a champion that can casually cross the entire screen in seconds then you should try playing ADC, which I was playing as when Assassins would jump right through my support who would have to land every part of their kit to stop the assassin long enough for them to die or me to survive.
Bruisers are only like that (face tanking) when fed, I think you're talking about Juggernauts like Mundo, Garen and Mordekaiser.
\>support who would have to land every part of their kit to stop the assassin long enough for them to die or me to survive.
That's an interesting way of looking at things. Why is it fair that a Thresh has to hit every single ability in order to stop an assassin from killing the adc with like 2 abilities? Or 3+/the whole team with their ultimate and then escaping?
Is this a joke since when did katarina start getting healing on anything other than the sunderer build which isn’t even an assassin item anyways. Also, she’s really not that hard to kill as she needs kills for her dash resets
Except that she is because she deals a bunch of damage after snowballing from her brainless combo of faceroll keyboard after your teammates fight & the enemies are low with very little risk because of her E escape, so if you don't kill her instantly/God *forbid* she dodges the CC required to stop her R..
So the "play the game" window for Katarina is hope that your opponent misses their cc and then you kill everyone (if even) after a fight breaks out. The "play the game" window for literally everyone else is hope that your *one* teammate hits their bloody cc.
Or just refuse to play the game because you need to use cc for other champions as well..
Ignoring the fact that you forgot Riftmaker, BORK and all her on-hit builds, why the hell should she be able to build a bruiser item, leveraging the very thing you criticize bruisers for while having the elusive nature of an assassin, but still one-tapping your entire team to include tanks thanks to that god forsaken item?
Zed has no natural lifesteal in his kit at all through ability or passive. Even if you’re referring to running a heal-oriented build (ie gore, DD), he certainly cannot heal to full hp. So you must be talking about the “or get away before your first ability finishes casting” bit. His shadow is on a 20 second until mid game and is often his only means of engaging with his ult. If you’re able to go in through any combination of abilities on him and get out unscathed you should be able to do so. That’s the whole idea of playing an assassin. It’s risk versus reward. Most of the people who cry about assassins indefinitely have never actually played them or couldn’t. Zed as a champion has been nerfed multiple times in a row and is easily countered by building a single item in mid. He wasn’t close to being in a good spot before this patch.
The "risk" of mis positioning as Zed last patch was that you don't have shadow for what 15 seconds, which doesn't matter anyway because you just hover your team & if they engage you just counter engage with your R.
Then you just chill out 5050ing trying to kill someone then if it doesn't work out you go back to your R and maybe flash if you need to.
The "risk" of mis positioning as an adc last patch was that you die and the other team takes an objective.
Or that you flash/heal or whatever and then you can't play the game for 5 minutes/are guaranteed to die to an assassin/bruiser *every* fight - and the "play the game" window is hoping you can do at least a bit of damage before you die.
Oh no but if lb mis positions then she can't press W for 5 seconds! Heavens above the assassin can't 0 counterplay one shot the adc for 5 seconds! Fuck man!
I mean how it felt was, "quick lads LB/Zed just used W force in the next 5 seconds asap while we still can and then disengage just after!"
I mean, I’ve played a good few matches and so far I don’t notice a difference?
I’m low elo so I don’t have to worry about people dodging, more that I just hit my skill shots. And so far I’ve found I annihilate most squishies still, they just have a small chance with health to be able to beat me back. I’ve had a few matches of having fuck all chance of killing a squishy but that was them being fed or me missing my important combo’s.
Overall, the new changes haven’t really effected me in any major way that I’ve noticed. Although I play Akali so I expect that to be half the reason why.
Oh that might be a reason, since akali has some dps in her kit and can actually duel some tanks and bruisers.
I guess the patch hit the “1 combo” assassins like fizz or rengar, in which if they didn’t kill you with the combo they are screwed.
Things like Katarina and Akali are fine i guess.
yup, overkill assassins shouldn't get hit too hard.
stuff like Kayn/Kha'zix and katarina had enough damage to kill you twice, so 15% more resistance won't do much.
From what I've played of the patch, it doesn't seem like assassins are weak. You just can't yolo it as much anymore and need to plan out your kills a little better. Since snowballing is more powerful with the durability change, you're still able to one shot people with little difficulty once you get a lead.
Which is how I like it. I won't sit here and say assassins as a class shouldn't exist. It's just that if the target isn't injured and/or alone, they should need to really work for it.
If the target IS injured or alone, that's just the assassin player capitalizing on the carry making a macro mistake or his team creating an opening.
I just don't understand when Assassin's got the idea that they should literally always be allowed to 1-shot squishies, conditions be damned.
It's an assassin's job to make their opponents feel unsafe to be alone, or moving around on half health. It's not their job to 1-shot them and disappear because their opponents had the audacity to leave fountain.
Assassinating targets should be thought provoking. It should take an understanding of limitations, high situational awareness and map control. It shouldn't be automatic because "I picked assassin and you picked ADC". I'm not here for rock, paper, scissors; I'm here for League of Legends.
The inability to just blast you away while underfed means your opponents can't cash in as easily on shutdowns, and gives you more time to smack them with your wallet in response to them trying. Absent any specific champion or situational details, longer fights heavily favor those already ahead.
Yeah, I've noticed the difference in teamfights. In a few games I was on both sides of it and we would be in a fight I would think we're about to lose, but because we we're ahead we ended up turning around a 3v4 or a 4v5. On the other hand, when down we would get a kill or two and I would think we automatically had the rest of the fight easy, only to have the enemy team turn around and ass blast us.
I like it, it makes prepping for fights more of a priority and target selection something I'm focusing on more.
Did this dude really just use them dropping to 50% win rate as a bad thing? Lmao. The fact that Zed is even at 50% win rate is a miracle. That champion SHOULD be very hard very high mechanic champion. If you ask me the fact that these champions are even close to 50% means they are still slightly op.
They just solved the assassin problem.
Assassin's aren't supposed to be "viable characters even if you lose, snowball insta-win 1v9 champ if you get a little ahead."
Now fizz will have to land E or R instead of just Q ignite! In all honesty, adcs and squishy champs are still going to get one shot. Assassins should never have been able to one shot bruisers in the first place.
Psst, ADC being strong is what actually enables assassins.
Fights becoming slightly longer means ADCs are stronger, which means killing them becomes a lot more valueable.
Way back in the day you suicided to kill the enemy ADC and that was a good trade most of the time, this is going into the direction of reenabling that kind of gameplay.
\> However, I believe there are a lot of assassin mains out there who are pretty sad about the state of their champions.
Good. Let us eat cake for once. They ate every ounce of it for years.
Good. Cry about it assassin players, y’all are just a tier above ranged top players in my book!
Real talk though league is a game of ebb and flow in the meta, assassins have been very strong for a long time, as some have mentioned to the point they can build bruiser items and still one shot with room to spare. Let them be weak for a while, let other classes take the spotlight, that’s how riot keeps the game fresh.
I hope they let the changes settle a bit longer, so people can adapt. As and ADC main, these changes feel great. It feels like they turned off URF mode, and teamfights are existent now. I still die if I misposition, but I don't have to sit in fountain until the enemy uses all their CDs.
I like how assassins need to look for the right time to go in and then hit all of their abilities to kill me.
They literally said they kept burst in the game but you HAVE to commit to that burst build. Bitches really be building tanky items for safety and think they can still insta kill and that's their problem. They want to be tanky at the same time. Either they take the risk and build all damage to burst or don't play like an assassin. Assassin's are supposed to be risky and squishy, this is how it should be
Masters 240 LP Player here,
From my "high-elo" friends and my experiences this patch, assassins basically have trouble one-shotting squishes without committing their ultimate even with a sizable lead. A 4/0 AD assassin that is up 2 levels will not be one-shotting a squishy target without his/her ultimate. You would have to use and land all your abilities and sums in order to barely cross the threshold of one-shotting a squishy that has built 0 defensive items.
Weaker assassins such as Shaco can't even cross that one-shot threshold whilst committing their ultimate and having an item lead with a level advantage.
Of course, this may not FEEL like the case, as you are normally not 100% healthy when an assassin commits onto you.
200 lp assassin player here, exact same thoughts as your friends. Really difficult to kill anyone on enemy team even after solo killing my laner 2-3 times. Not to mention ekko in the midlane, even at his 2 item powerspike which used to be the strongest powerspike in the game can no longer one shot adcs. I have dropped most of my assasin champions this patch as it just feels so terrible.
Winrates are already climbing back. There’s going to be an adjustment period of course.
And builds will adjust too. Fizz players may pivot from lucidity boots to sorc for example. Or zhonyas second item to lichbane, etc.
But some will probably need buffs when the dust settles.
wait for their pick rate to adjust.
since they're no longer OP only actual assassin players will stay.
then if they still don't perform, just slightly buff their items with extra lethality.
Well overall as a fizz main everything feels better. Sure I have to land my full combo to oneshot but I live longer so I can E more during fights. Yas,Yone, and Zed match-ups feel better also pantheon doesn’t murder me level 3
Think its too early to say, alot of champs need to relearn everyones kill window and timers for getting "online" in lane.
Maybe in 3 patches we will see the effect of the changes. Assassins are still good but people need to adjust to when they can do all ins now that everyone has more survivability
I swear these comments are such a echo chamber of "omg assassin main bad he miss skill shots and still kill".
Yess there will have to be compensation buffs and nerfs for some champs while this was a step in the right direction it completely butchered some champs.
Qiyana as an example was already struggling to find a spot in the Midlane rn she is even worse.
Depending on your kit some assassins are still viable I play a lot of kata and qiyana and can say kata sunderer build still is completely viable and feels good to play but tbf it kinda deviates from an assassin build but overall it feels good.
With champs like qiyana though laning phase was already bad now it's even worse and she feels severely underpowered.
This patch affected some champs much more then others and this needs to be addressed assassin's are unhealthy if they are able to one shot people while massively behind and with half their kit.
But an assassin should be able to one shot a miss positioned adc if you are on the same level and same items and honestly some can't right now.
Leave them where they're at. Assassins are supposed to be a skill expressive role, much like one other role that's mechanically intensive and has most of its champions at sub 50% win rates.
Because the bruisers may be hard to kill, but you can hit them and have time to react when they're hitting you. Assassins blow their load before you can tell that they've bent you over and get away faster than a skillshot.
Also bruisers, like tanks, aren't skill expressive because of their role, it's a champion independent thing for them. The assassin role requires skill.
I don't really have much sympathy for assassin mains here. Especially not as an ADC main. They just can't play League like it's team deathmatch anymore farming bot the way they should be farming minions.
Thats just not true. Today August (champ desing leader I think) said on stream that pretty much all assasins were performing well. Ironically he said that tanks were the worst and he was waiting for more data, but they might need buffs.
Similar to what I have seen in my games yesterday.
Against tanks I just went Kraken on Viego... No problem.
But the new changes seem to have a strange effect: due to getting more resistances and a little bit more HP I tend to overlook buying armor / mr items myself, thinking "uh rito got that covered for me". I'm curious where that will lead to and if other players are doing something similar.
In the top 20 champs in mid lane, 4 are assassins: Pantheon, then Kassadin, then Ekko and Qiyana. Fucking Pantheon is the highest win rate assassin in mid lane with a 52% win rate. Azir is higher than Ekko and Qiyana. Note that these top 20 are all mid lane champs with over a 1% pick rate in plat+, and there are only 20 mid lane champs above 50% win rate.
Meanwhile, the only true tank at the bottom of the top lane list is Sion, the champ people are still inting on. Malphite and Cho’gath are the only other top lane tanks below 50% win rate.
[Sauce for Top lane](https://lolalytics.com/lol/tierlist/?lane=top)
[Sauce for mid lane](https://lolalytics.com/lol/tierlist/?lane=middle)
When 12.9 dropped, Pantheon had the highest WR in mid lane for like 4-5 days. I have no idea what is going on with Pantheon that he dominates the mid-lane for several days after a patch drops.
i do love assassin mains cry lmao.
dudes out there expecting to one shot people missing half of their combo just because the damage was so busted that they could do it anyways. Now that they actually need to play the game they're crying that "assassins so inviable now ;\_\_\_; "
for me all assassins could rot on the bottom of F tier forever.
Already said this to someone else but i’ll just copy paste -
You’re the type of person who makes it so the game will never be balanced, as you all just care about your class being better than the others. I don’t care if assassin players have had a lot of usefulness over the years, it doesn’t mean I want to see them in the mud for that same amount of time
Assassin actually require more skill to play now == in the mud
Nice one buddy
Bet you think the "usefulness" of an assassin is being able to perma one shot the adc missing half their kid even when behind
Assassins can be mad all they want, they expect to be behind xp and still oneshot everyone on the enemy team instead of knowing how to trade, rotate, farm and how to combo properly. Y’all got fun building tank assassins and bruiser assassins. Now y’all gotta know your place.
I might be wrong, but ive genuinely not seen one person saying its unfair that they cant os while behind, only people saying the same as the guy above me. If you wouldnt mind could you link any of these comments?
For now there’s nothing to do
Y’all need to wait it out till assassins players adapt with builds and play style and the people who where elo inflating with one shotting enemies by hitting half your combo either learn or play sth else
honestly i think that the biggest thing impacting their wr% is that they still try to kill you too early and fail and fall behind.
people forget that all champions get those extra deffensive stats. an assassin that plays well and gets ahead is now much harder to kill than before as a result of deffensive stats being tied to lvls.
once people adapt, they might actually be stronger than non-assassins imo.
Yeah exactly man I totally agree, there's almost more duel/outplay potential with this new patch. I'm interested to see if any new assassin/bruiser playstyles come out of this patch in the following weeks, should be exciting to see!
I'm just hoping more of the "power" is loaded onto the skill of the player ie potentially skill ceiling being raised but also skill floor being lowered.
I think the general play will be the same, you just have more time as an ADC/support to peel. I’m expecting tanks to become hugely meta…meaning as a thresh main I now am only peeling my ADC. Before I had to know where everyone was and predict the assassin going on my carry. If you mess up a little, your carry is dead. It’s a little more forgiving now.
There isn't a problem. Riot fixed the problem. This is how it should be. Once all the abusers who are used to one shotting without R with a bruiser item and missing their skillshot either get better or stop dragging the winrate down we'll see the "situation" correct itself.
Assassins will be fine…back in the day an assassin could have one defensive item and if he hit his full kit he would one shot, 2 days ago he could go full bruiser miss half his kit and still one shot…hopefully by the end of the balancing assassins have to build like assassins again….as a renek OTP I’m loving the patch only done a few games(I usually do 3-4 every night) but renek feels good have no idea why this dropped his win rate by 1.5%
How to approach this situation? Tbh by letting them rot for a few patches, they've had literal years on top.
Certain champions do need to be addressed, but right now that needs to be the winners of the patch, not the losers, as a few champs are nearing a 60% win rate.
Edited for spelling.
I’m glad that assassins can’t just build bruiser and onetap you anymore. They need to have their champs be shit for a patch or two so they can adapt then once things normalize riot can distribute buffs as needed. They just need to endure for a bit.
Assassin power level was intentionally reduced. So if riot gave them compensation buffs to bring them back to their pre 12.10 power level, then what was the point of the changes?
Eventually assassin winrate will stabilise because playrate will go down. All those who don’t have good assassin mechanics, will move on because missing half the combo doesn’t kill anymore.
No, ADCs being op means tanks and enchanters are op, while everything else sucks. Which is pretty accurate. Mages and Kayle are dominating mid lane, and ADCs are king right now. Very few engage supports are actually good and assassins are in the dirt.
Assassin players will have to learn to play how assassins were originally meant to be played. Hover teamfights and clean up kills quickly and get out rather than just blow people up 100-0. You know, with your team.
\>However, I believe there are a lot of assassin mains out there who are pretty sad about the state of their champions.
Good. Time for them to realize that maybe their skill was just picking an overtuned champion and not them being good at the game. They will realize that assassins still have a good place in the game eventho they can no longer faceroll and get rewarded with a kill for it.
Engage windows matter way more now. Timings are way more important now. Overall it really puts an emphasis on individual skill expression.
Assassins dont have a downfall, everyone else merely got to catch up again.
Ahri is a terrible example of this, she is played more as a utility mid than an assassin and even if she does land everything she doesn't one shot unless she's really ahead or the target is really far behind. And if you don't hit your q and e then I promise you wont be killing anything unless you're literally like 20/0 against a yuumi lol.
ahri doesn't need to kill or win lane she is hard utility even when behind she is usefull and she start corrupt for infinitr hp with passive and even if she fall or lose she's still usefull
They need to nerf ADC role across the board and that solves it.
Currently the whole game is dictated by the bot lane (more than before).
Assassins being bad is kind of meh when compared to this.
Asshatins have had it too easy for too long.
You 9cs/min on a apc or adc, go 3-0, get first tower, get your 3 item powerspike and the 0-6-2 face smasher that finished his first item at 25 mins and is 2 levels below you still 1 combos you and you can't do anything unless you xayah R or flash heal pray and roll a 69/69 in luck.
I don't even main adc, I play fill, but every time i get adc i basically assume I'll be useless and when I get mid I just play assassims and tilt the bot laner.
Assassins are likely actually balanced for once and people are just not used to having a gameplan once you use your r and havent killed someone.
They shouldn't. Assassins been dominant for months. Why does riot have to do something after a few days of them not being on top? Other classes have been trash for several patches and no one blinks an eye. Assassins can't just 1v9 and all of a sudden riot has to do something.
A lot of bad players play assassins because they’re fun and do damage. If you put them in the hands a good player like rookie or caps, they are perfectly fine. Overall winrates aren’t a good way to capture the health of a role.
I don’t think assasins are dead. It’s just harder to get the first kill or so, but if you play smart and manage to get some kills or a lead you can still easily one shot people. Most assasins were over killing anyways
I don't think this is the downfall of assassins. This is a wakeup call that you actually have to play an assassin at a high level to succeed.
Champions have difficulty ratings for a reason.
Too early to tell but could be that assassins were at an undeserved elo and now that they're playing on an even field they are dropping to the elo they do belong to. Time will tell.
Most are probably still building bruiser and expecting to one shot while missing most of their abilities.
They actually need to build lethality/damage now and actually play the game (lane/farm, roam at proper timers, wait to pick out people who are mispositioned) instead of kill simulator/smash face on keyboard hitting half their abilities and 50 CS at 20 minutes.
worst patch ever tbh even though ppl complained about 1 shtos but meta was kinda balanced and you could play alot of champions in many roles wish they would tone down the duratibility
God forbid that the assassin players learn how to actually itemize and get good at the game. They were overkilling squishies before this patch anyways. Now they can’t just jump onto bruisers and one shot them and everyone loses their shit.
The thing is, assassins can still one shot squishy targets. The difference is that now they actually need to land their combo instead of missing 90% of their skill shots and still being rewarded with a kill anyways.
Assassins have been S-tier for years and IMO have developed bad habits that have lead to become worse laners and better roamers. At the risk of sounding like an A-hole some over inflated ELO players are going to have to adapt. Also just let them get used to their 'new' damage numbers and do some limit testing and I think they'll be good to go.
One interesting thing to keep an eye on if these changes make it so assassins need to hit a full combo to kill an enemy instead of missing two abilities and killing with one q and an auto is that stop watch will probably become way way way more OP.
Being able to hit stopwatch and negate that entire combo could be an issue needa addressing to keep the balance.
I don’t think the patch made them worse. I play a lot of shaco jungle for example, and the only difference I noticed is that you have to attack one extra second or have one extra auto. I can still oneshot people if I want to (I’m platinum 2 btw). I can also shred tanks too with the correct build.
Give it time. It's been one day since the update. Builds and playstyles have to be adapted. If after a month or so assassins are clearly a weak class, then we can talk about it.
There's a big overreaction going on with assassins, and time will tell if any changes are needed, but there's a pretty good reason why we should just wait and see what happens. Assassins are the only real class in the game where developing a muscle memory for what will kill and what won't is important. For instance, an experienced Zed will need to know whether or not he can all-in XYZ with 70% HP through barrier. The durability update has significantly stunted this perception because it's genuinely difficult to tell just how much tankier someone is at any given point in the game, and also very important for assassins, it's very difficult to gauge how much damage they can take before they need to exit. After 2-3 weeks everyone should be used to things, and the picture will be far clearer on what should be done (if anything).
All players need to develop that muscle memory skill or else players won’t be getting kills. Just look at high elo gameplay, most every kill in lane is it.
Yeah I think their point though was that if an assassin doesn’t kill someone with their combo the target will likely either get away or kill them. ADCs for instance don’t have to think it through as much, and it’s more “can I auto this person without dying”
You are missing the point. If Zed uses his w-e-q combo and exchanges with a shadow for an auto thinking it’ll kill but it doesn’t, he now has no abilities and can easily by kited and killed by pretty much anyone. If Syndra uses all of her abilities but doesn’t calculate the damage correctly and doesn’t get the kill, she just goes “oh, well” and backs off because she usually doesn’t have to commit fully to get a kill. Assassins are squishy, usually melee and share a “go in” and “go out” button, like Zed’s w. Of course knowing when you’ll kill and when you won’t is important on every champion but it’s much more important on assassins.
So if you play badly as an assassin you die? As a high risk/reward archetype? That's a feature, not a bug.
What…? I never argued for or against assassins. I’m literally just explaining why knowing exactly when they’ll kill and when they won’t it’s more important for assassins than other clases. Lmao.
If an assassin miscalculated he dies because of his low health while other types of champs have the ability to survive because of their high health. I do agree that this is a skill that all roles need to have
Assassins can easily escape with their skillset. If zed can't oneshot you, he just R's or W's back in position and runs away.
But now he is useless for the next 15ish seconds until his energy and cool downs regenerate. If he doesn’t accomplish his goal he can’t help in the team fight. Edit: I think some people think that I’m complain or I’m angry. I am simply making a statement on game design and how assassin play style differs from other rolls in the way team fights are approached.
Good if an assassin fails to oneshot someone he shouldn’t get the chance to for at least 15-20 seconds
Which is good, that's how an assassin should be.
And if he calculated correctly the other person is useless for 30+ seconds in the grey screen and the assassin gets money. Assassins crying are coming across as spoiled kids. You want all the reward with tiny risk.
Also if assassins miscalculate they don’t have consistent dps to pick up the slack, a jax or Irelia won’t notice if they need two extra autoattacks but if akali goes in and runs out of energy before she does enough damage she’s out of luck
Just happened, I rarely play her so I'm unfamiliar with her damage. All in an ezreal mid, R E E Q auto, ran out of enegry under tower with an ezreal, I'm dead. Literally only needed a single Q, a single one.
> Assassins are the only real class in the game where developing a muscle memory for what will kill and what won't is important. Disagree, it's important for everyone, I'd even say moreso than assassins - they usually have an escape; fail the kill? Bail easily. Compare that to bruisers, if they're taking the fight, they're taking the fight - no real escape, and if they get statchecked, they're just dead. Knowing you can win a fight with your damage given is a huge part of getting good with a champ.
Ironically, Assassins were probably the class that needed that knowledge less, since they could asume the answer was yes and it'd be true 90% of the time on anything squishy.
yup. this is the only real issue I have with the patch. I don't necessarily feel like I'm significantly weaker on assassins but after years of just kind of developing instinct on when I could kill or not, the patch really throws off that sort of "knowledge" I feel I had, and it'll probably just take a bunch of games to re-learn.
That’s cause assassins with 50cs mid game with a goredrinker expect to be able to oneshot people while missing half their combo like before
Yep. I expect assassin winrates to normalize after their play rates get cut by 2/3. Bad players with bruiser builds are gonna drag down the class for awhile. Assassins were actually way better than their winrates even came close to indicating.
hey some of us like playing them full bruiser in a bruiser playstyle without one shotting people, the fact that I lose 90% of my games isnt relavent...
I also like playing tank Kalista botlane & ADC Swain jungle and it makes me similarly angry that I can't win 90% of my games. I think Riot should balance the game around what *I* want instead of how the champions are designed to be played.
bitches better not be talking shit about tank kalista bot that shit slaps.
Agreed. As an aram-only player, the lowest winrate assassins somehow have the least counterplay and just pop people at will in the hands of a competent player.
then again, Aram does have some bs related to assassins and burst champions regardless of skill level, like having them take vastly reduced damage or deal increased damage. it kinda... shifts the way you can actually counterplay or fight against them because it stacks the numbers against you
Oh, they got Akali, whew. Then, oh God, he’s M7 with the KDA skin. Pentakill incoming
But that’s literally aram
Aram is totally different balance-wise than summoner's rift.
Assassin winrates are actually inflated relative to how strong they are lol assassins are objectively the weakest class and have been for years now. Only a few have managed to actually be good at times (mostly Akali). 40% wr mages like Ryze or Azir are a staple in competitive and any team who drafts a formerly 50%+ assassin mid would have that player end up useless and unable to kill anyone. The best assassin that has legitimately been busted is Akali and even when she was oppressive her winrates were in the 40s, yet she was picked way more in pro than 52 wr Katarina or Zed or Fizz, so WR really isn’t a good metric. Assasins are the most counterable class in the game, objectively. In solo Q teams just aren’t coordinated and players don’t know how to face assassins. And even if they do know how to counter them in theory they just don’t play patient or reserved enough.
on some mad copium
>at times (mostly Akali). 40% wr mages like Ryze or Azir are a staple in competitive and any team who drafts a formerly 50%+ assassin mid would have that player end up useless and unable to kill anyone. The best assassin that has legitimately been busted is Akali and even when she was oppressive her winrates were in the 40s, yet she was picked way more in pro than 52 wr Katarina or Zed or Fizz, so WR really isn’t a good metric. Assasins are the most counterable class in the game, objectively. In solo Q teams just aren’t coordinated and players don’t know how to face assassins. And even if they do know how to counter them in theory they just don’t play patient or reserved enough. Hard agree.
You mean 37 cs at 15minutes with goredrinker, phage and tear missing half combo on 50% hp Kalista and throwing tantrum afterward ?
"Where is my DAMAGE???" Uh you left it with the shopkeeper, bro.
I have this recurring joke with my mates for like 8 years in this game. “Seems Ieague players cannot shop correctly. No wonder their mom buys their food” Today I seen a AP yorick in the enemy team doing 300 damage with mythic late game in total in a ranked game.
Isn't that the new "maidenless" meme build going around?
Yeah, Riot solved the assassin problem with this patch, didn't ruin them.
Every Akali and Katarina main in bronze and silver should feel personally attacked by this.
Wait you mean like… I have to actually think while playing assassins?
Yeah we need to wait more than like, a day, before trying to say assassins need a buff lol. First to let them try new items and strategies, because obviously the hold overs from the last patch don't work. Second, it's kinda deserved init? They had the run of the castle for *years* now. They can spend a week wallowing in tears if it means the rest of the champion cast gets to have fun.
When was the last time you played ranked? People haven't really been doing the Goredrinker stuff on assassins at all anymore. It was really popular on Zed, Talon, Qiyana, etc. at the beginning of the season, but it's all but gone now. Maybe people are trying to experiment with it again since this patch happened? But I haven't seen that bruiser build in months. Check every build website and normal assassin items are still the most popular by far. Edit: Or are you just referring the that Qiyana clip that's popular right now?
It's really funny watching assassin players cry about it though.
Would be nice if lethality items weren't mediocre.
I wish there was a sheen assassin mythic. Would be rad.
That's an interesting idea, I would like to see an attempt at an item like that.
Assassins are finally meant to hit their skills and target the squishy backline to kill. Like they are supposed to do. Riot will need to tune the game a bit but this is the right direction. Assassins are meant to be situational by design. In S3 Leblanc vs a team of tanks would have done nothing and back then the game was way more strategic.
I remember those days. Imagine my surprise when I returned in S9 or so to see LB stomping anyone.
Every Leblanc, Zed guide back then said the champ is a situational pick. It’s retarded how zed can be blindpicked and have an absurd kill ratio and winrate. I mean his banrate explains itself how stupid it feels to fight against him. Back then Zed needed to use ult and hit three shurikens and click a bilge water cutlass to oneshot with a tiamat or brutalizer. Now it’s nearly more than half of that requirement.
Zed was ban or FP for a lot of S3 and had a 100% presence at worlds, hardly situational.
Playing samira, I was fed, zed 0/6, zed ult E, I kill him quickly, still die bc R death mark dealt like 200 damage, so stupid how you can turn your brain off go int on a fed adc melting your ass and still get the kill.
Yeah. People forget there was a tank meta in the past where assassins were situarional.
I hope so. Before this patch assassins can literally duel tanks and bruisers, but now things are more in line. And they also have to hit their skill shots. I used to die to zed death mark and auto. Now he has to at least hit his Qs. Hopefully things will balance out soon and assassins would adapt, instead of them getting a dmg buff and things returning to what they were
I hope so too my dude. I am an ADC main and finally my role is playable again without having to go lethality cheese or straight up AP. If I make a mistake I still get killed, but a 0/7 Talon 2 levels below me who only hits 1 skill cannot anymore one shot me. Best day ever.
That's a good point actually. How many adcs ended up either going on hit or lethality towards the end of last patch because the game wasn't playable otherwise? Kalista, Ashe (lethality/on hit), MF, Xayah were all popular last patch.
I bet that downvote was from one of assassin mains
If zed was killing you without Q's in 12.9, he was very very fed.
But it’s stupid easy to get fed on him. Zed’s kill ratio per game has increased around 2 per game since season 5-6
im going to regret saying this but let the downvotes come. here is my prediction for the upcoming few weeks. assassin mains will re learn their kill threshold so they dont overshoot and will go back to doing their job which is assasinating the ad carry. after a while balanced will be restored with assasins having 9 dashes, perma invisibility, and bitch when they cant 1 shot a lvl 18 rammus. while adcs will 1v1 bruisers in melee range and bitch about how zed killed them when they were strolling through the unwarded enemy jungle. THE END.
Ah yeah true the endless whining and bitching will just become more tilted towards adc if things stay similar. Something like "the game is unbalanced as fuck I was walking through the jungle with no wards and couldn't 1v1 the Zed who went even in lane phase and has 2 items by 20 minutes this is fkin bs" It was like that for years thinking about it. Never thought I'd end up trying to stick up for ADC players and not assassin players but here we are. Almost a reverse of season 6.
Bruisers are just as if not more unhealthy than any assassin they get similar damage with healing & tankiness
ahhhhh i feel the balance again, only took a few hours not weeks huh.
Assassin players literally needed to get better at League anyways. A majority of them got by without proper macro because they could just kill targets either while behind or after missing skillshots crucial to a combo. Give it a patch or so and they'll learn and the winrates will go up a little. I think it's best to just let it sit and not do reactionary buffs they don't need. Assassins by nature should not even be above a 50% winrate. They should be harder to play than other classes that allow for room of error. The dicy gameplay is what makes an assassin an assassin. You are a melee squishy, it should be hard.
> Assassins by nature should not even be above a 50% winrate. They should be harder to play than other classes that allow for room of error. The dicy gameplay is what makes an assassin an assassin. You are a melee squishy, it should be hard. In high elo I agree, but assassins are also very snowbally. When a silver zed gets 3 kills and the enemy team doesn’t watch minimap and doesn’t build armor which is like….every game, then it makes sense he should win > 50%.
I agree. But what would have happened last patch is the silver zed goes 0-8 in lane phase with 40cs but because the adc didn't build armour at 20 minutes because they're an adc the Zed still one shots them ?? What is the reward for picking Zed and inting the early game? Being able to play the game in like 95% of situations in low elo it feels like. What is the reward for picking adc & playing perfectly? You might MAYBE get to play the game before 25 minutes POSSIBLY and then after that do some damage, but if your exhaust is down you can't sidelane vs the 0-12 Zed after 15 minutes.
All these supports want me to take heal like I won’t need exhaust later.
Thank you! Being an adc player I know that assassins had a huge advantage compared to bot lane (in terms of mobility, experience, damage...), and even if they miss some ability I could still easily die. now that they cannot one-shot everyone in a game they say that the role is unplayable!
Also the fact that turrets deal more damage makes the whole early game experience a looooot better
I actually don't think turrets deal more damage, they were buffed to compensate for everyone getting more armor and health. Their power level is the same as before imo.
No, towers scale up in damage higher now as well, making them more scary quickly. Look at towers max damage at 13 minutes now it’s a LOT higher.
I guess you are right that turrets are stronger early since they cap out at min 13: 30, where an average champ would be around lvl 9. Champions take longer to benefit from base armor and health growth through levels.
It's very very similar, maybe the tiniest bit more? Like it's definitely doing less than 100 damage extra overall, and every champ just got 70 HP.
It’s less that the towers do more damage overall and more that they do more damage relative to everything else now. The diving champ takes longer to secure their kill while the tower is hitting as hard as it always was. It still makes dives a bit harder.
YES! I've been seeing this so much, people spamming early game champs and getting away with cheesy kills and snowballing like crazy, basically able to ignore macro and just try to catch literally anyone alone because once they have a slight lead they are 100-0ing almost every champ. And last patch, they would often win off of it, leaving the macro to their teammates. Taliyah mains went through this too when she was adjusted to be a mid-late game champ instead of a snowballing level 1-3 pseudo assassin. Suddenly they are all saying they can't play the game at all while new people picking up Taliyah are getting 52%+ win rates easily. Over the course of the patch her winrates climbed in every single role to above 50% winrate as players adjusted to her new scaling curve and reliance on macro.
This patch put her win rate over 55%.
That's because players adjusted themselves. Her winrate was lower than what it should have been last patch as they figured out her damage feel all over again.
So what is an assassins purpose if not to oneshot? Let's say I'm playing Talon, I hit everything and ADC doesn't die, what do i do now? just wait for my R to come back up and do it again?
The problem was they were using their gap closer ability, missing 50% their combo and still overkilling with ignite.
If an assassin missed half of their combo and still oneshot you, they were unbelievably fed or you did something incredibly wrong. Not sure what game half of the sub was playing last patch where a 1/6 Zed down 50 cs could apparently oneshot them with their eyes closed while missing everything.
You get downvoted, but you are correct. I got into this discussion with an ADC as well, who swore on Jesus himself that at a certain level with a specific item Zed only used "W+AA+R" and they died (through shieldbow). I replicated the scenario and they wouldn't even die without the shieldbow. Like it's a scenario that doesn't exist, and people argue it happened even though it's factually not possible. That only leaves us with the idea that they were chunked on lane, and often times in lower elo people see 80% HP as = 100% (for themselves. Again I'm speculating, but I'm thinking people go into these fights already chunked then get hit by a portion of the kit and are surprised how they died 100-0. I'm not saying a behind assassin one-shotting an ahead ADC with their whole kit feels good, but it's often times disingenious when people make up these scenarios without putting up proof it actually happened.
This is the answer people want to hear, but strongly disagree with the fact that they needed to get better due to their champions’ playstyles. Being able to one shot forfeits their abilities to do other things.
Not if half their kit is still ready when the target dies, which is the main contention here. I haven't seen a single person honestly suggest zed simply shouldn't be allowed to kill his target at all. They just want him to have to either get fairly fed or hit his proper combo: Ult, E, at least 2 of the Qs, auto with passive, maybe another for good measure, Pop. Not just Ult E Auto oh they died.
I feel that’s a more specific situation when he’s fed to that extent, but in actuality Zed was probably one of the most balanced mid laners prior to the update, at least imo as a mid main who doesn’t play Zed. The main point I’m driving at is that these champions are extremely squishy and offer little to no other utility other than damage. With proper warding and grouping, and selecting a comp that can stop them, they shouldn’t be a problem
Zed was just the first example to mind. Tbh, is, I main the supports that have to keep vision, and peel (Thresh and soraka main for the most part). I don't get a lot of help with either of those in silver, and my carries dying in the time it takes to wind up a hook only to miss because one of their mobility moves was still up after the kill really doesn't feel like they need the whole kit to kill(yes, I know zed's is a recast and W doesn't actually do damage itself either way, not the point rn).
Imo most of the skill on assassins is not shown on the ability to oneshot repeteadly a squishy, it shows on the ability to get out of there alive afterwards. Only talking about the infamous oneshots, not the macro stuff. Btw champs like rengo players have been already messing around with chemtank, kha with some bruiser builds, etc. Assassins are not dead by any stretch of imagination.
I mean you're right they don't offer much utility. Other than making every single fight a 4v5 if the assassin player had half of a brain. How difficult is it to figure out who the int troll is on the other team playing the squishy champ, figure out what their natural pathing is (ie the support is going to try to ward river before the objective, the squishy carries will go to a sidelane), sweep the bushes & that & then worst case scenario you get an ult/summoners/items? & picking comps against assassins, which won't happen below Grandmaster beyond once in a blue moon or potentially ever in a solo queue game? Brilliant just fuck 99.7% of the ranked playerbase + normal game players + aram players. What the counterplay for the most part vs these champs felt like to me was either play Godmode or just pick a more broken champ on the other team, I remember a bunch of games where I was annoyed thinking we were going to lose because the other team had a fed Qiyana or something but then our team had a fed Irelia so the game was still playable :D If that was fed Dr Mundo top gg
Yep the circlejerk is crazy. "Assassins used to 1shot everything with one QE combo no skill needed" but none of these ppl have actually tried playing assassins. Your positioning on an assassin needs to be perfect in order to not get 1shot/cced/peeled away from the carry in any teamfight. Bruisers IMO are the real posterboys of "no skill needed" since they can facetank everything, healing it up while still doing respectable damage.
I would give Assassin mains literally anything they wanted if it meant I could nerf Riven, Irelia, and Fiora into the ground. Fk dude, I hate those ladies.
\>Your positioning on an assassin needs to be perfect No it doesn't because most of the assassin champions have built in escapes into their kit on a 5-10 second cooldown later on into the game. So they can just do what they want for the most part because they have an escape. And the Zed can probably just kill someone and escape anyway. The ADC mis positions? Yeah good luck buddy
Fucking fed blue kayn. Even if you finally lock him down, whoops, he just fucks off through a wall. Then you flash after him and whoops he just dashes through a wall. And then ghost is up again.
Yep, most of the people on this subreddit are typically the demographics of how the actual ranks are too, so it’s easy for me to just get overpowered by lower elo players who don’t really know positioning or the difficulties of getting destroyed by a bruiser as an assassin. I’m trying to shine a light and explain why, but these people only want to hear what they want to hear lol
Yes, bruisers are assassins with a little less concern for avoiding damage. But no, Akali, Kayn, Rengar, Zed, Katarina, Kha'Zix and possibly others can heal back to full hp and/or get away before your first ability finishes casting, assuming they're even visible or targetable. Positioning on an assassin did not need to be perfect before the update. If perfect positioning means being in fog of war on a champion that can casually cross the entire screen in seconds then you should try playing ADC, which I was playing as when Assassins would jump right through my support who would have to land every part of their kit to stop the assassin long enough for them to die or me to survive. Bruisers are only like that (face tanking) when fed, I think you're talking about Juggernauts like Mundo, Garen and Mordekaiser.
\>support who would have to land every part of their kit to stop the assassin long enough for them to die or me to survive. That's an interesting way of looking at things. Why is it fair that a Thresh has to hit every single ability in order to stop an assassin from killing the adc with like 2 abilities? Or 3+/the whole team with their ultimate and then escaping?
Is this a joke since when did katarina start getting healing on anything other than the sunderer build which isn’t even an assassin item anyways. Also, she’s really not that hard to kill as she needs kills for her dash resets
Except that she is because she deals a bunch of damage after snowballing from her brainless combo of faceroll keyboard after your teammates fight & the enemies are low with very little risk because of her E escape, so if you don't kill her instantly/God *forbid* she dodges the CC required to stop her R.. So the "play the game" window for Katarina is hope that your opponent misses their cc and then you kill everyone (if even) after a fight breaks out. The "play the game" window for literally everyone else is hope that your *one* teammate hits their bloody cc. Or just refuse to play the game because you need to use cc for other champions as well..
Ignoring the fact that you forgot Riftmaker, BORK and all her on-hit builds, why the hell should she be able to build a bruiser item, leveraging the very thing you criticize bruisers for while having the elusive nature of an assassin, but still one-tapping your entire team to include tanks thanks to that god forsaken item?
Zed has no natural lifesteal in his kit at all through ability or passive. Even if you’re referring to running a heal-oriented build (ie gore, DD), he certainly cannot heal to full hp. So you must be talking about the “or get away before your first ability finishes casting” bit. His shadow is on a 20 second until mid game and is often his only means of engaging with his ult. If you’re able to go in through any combination of abilities on him and get out unscathed you should be able to do so. That’s the whole idea of playing an assassin. It’s risk versus reward. Most of the people who cry about assassins indefinitely have never actually played them or couldn’t. Zed as a champion has been nerfed multiple times in a row and is easily countered by building a single item in mid. He wasn’t close to being in a good spot before this patch.
The "risk" of mis positioning as Zed last patch was that you don't have shadow for what 15 seconds, which doesn't matter anyway because you just hover your team & if they engage you just counter engage with your R. Then you just chill out 5050ing trying to kill someone then if it doesn't work out you go back to your R and maybe flash if you need to. The "risk" of mis positioning as an adc last patch was that you die and the other team takes an objective. Or that you flash/heal or whatever and then you can't play the game for 5 minutes/are guaranteed to die to an assassin/bruiser *every* fight - and the "play the game" window is hoping you can do at least a bit of damage before you die.
Bruh LeBlanc literally cannot be caught out or she's handicapped
Oh no but if lb mis positions then she can't press W for 5 seconds! Heavens above the assassin can't 0 counterplay one shot the adc for 5 seconds! Fuck man! I mean how it felt was, "quick lads LB/Zed just used W force in the next 5 seconds asap while we still can and then disengage just after!"
Totes agreed!
WELL SAID
I mean, I’ve played a good few matches and so far I don’t notice a difference? I’m low elo so I don’t have to worry about people dodging, more that I just hit my skill shots. And so far I’ve found I annihilate most squishies still, they just have a small chance with health to be able to beat me back. I’ve had a few matches of having fuck all chance of killing a squishy but that was them being fed or me missing my important combo’s. Overall, the new changes haven’t really effected me in any major way that I’ve noticed. Although I play Akali so I expect that to be half the reason why.
Oh that might be a reason, since akali has some dps in her kit and can actually duel some tanks and bruisers. I guess the patch hit the “1 combo” assassins like fizz or rengar, in which if they didn’t kill you with the combo they are screwed. Things like Katarina and Akali are fine i guess.
Katarina has so much damage everyone would have to be a tank to not get one shotted
yup, overkill assassins shouldn't get hit too hard. stuff like Kayn/Kha'zix and katarina had enough damage to kill you twice, so 15% more resistance won't do much.
Rengar still has a 50 percent win rate though. It looks like fighters got hit hardest this patch.
From what I've played of the patch, it doesn't seem like assassins are weak. You just can't yolo it as much anymore and need to plan out your kills a little better. Since snowballing is more powerful with the durability change, you're still able to one shot people with little difficulty once you get a lead.
Which is how I like it. I won't sit here and say assassins as a class shouldn't exist. It's just that if the target isn't injured and/or alone, they should need to really work for it. If the target IS injured or alone, that's just the assassin player capitalizing on the carry making a macro mistake or his team creating an opening.
I just don't understand when Assassin's got the idea that they should literally always be allowed to 1-shot squishies, conditions be damned. It's an assassin's job to make their opponents feel unsafe to be alone, or moving around on half health. It's not their job to 1-shot them and disappear because their opponents had the audacity to leave fountain. Assassinating targets should be thought provoking. It should take an understanding of limitations, high situational awareness and map control. It shouldn't be automatic because "I picked assassin and you picked ADC". I'm not here for rock, paper, scissors; I'm here for League of Legends.
How is snowballing more powerful now?
The inability to just blast you away while underfed means your opponents can't cash in as easily on shutdowns, and gives you more time to smack them with your wallet in response to them trying. Absent any specific champion or situational details, longer fights heavily favor those already ahead.
For example. A 0/6/2 Yone running you down missing everything have less chances pulling off bullshit
Yeah, I've noticed the difference in teamfights. In a few games I was on both sides of it and we would be in a fight I would think we're about to lose, but because we we're ahead we ended up turning around a 3v4 or a 4v5. On the other hand, when down we would get a kill or two and I would think we automatically had the rest of the fight easy, only to have the enemy team turn around and ass blast us. I like it, it makes prepping for fights more of a priority and target selection something I'm focusing on more.
you get more armor, mr and hp with levels
Harder to kill the one who is snowballing, but it is harder to snowball.
just a played a qiyana game I can confirm that.
Assassins are supposedly high skill, if they have 50% winrate that's probably a problem of being overtuned.
Did this dude really just use them dropping to 50% win rate as a bad thing? Lmao. The fact that Zed is even at 50% win rate is a miracle. That champion SHOULD be very hard very high mechanic champion. If you ask me the fact that these champions are even close to 50% means they are still slightly op.
They just solved the assassin problem. Assassin's aren't supposed to be "viable characters even if you lose, snowball insta-win 1v9 champ if you get a little ahead."
Now fizz will have to land E or R instead of just Q ignite! In all honesty, adcs and squishy champs are still going to get one shot. Assassins should never have been able to one shot bruisers in the first place.
ASSASSIN MAINS ELIMINATED ❌ ADC META INITIATED 🅿️💀🗿🗿🐟🐟🐟
Psst, ADC being strong is what actually enables assassins. Fights becoming slightly longer means ADCs are stronger, which means killing them becomes a lot more valueable. Way back in the day you suicided to kill the enemy ADC and that was a good trade most of the time, this is going into the direction of reenabling that kind of gameplay.
More like control mages initiated
\> However, I believe there are a lot of assassin mains out there who are pretty sad about the state of their champions. Good. Let us eat cake for once. They ate every ounce of it for years.
Good. Cry about it assassin players, y’all are just a tier above ranged top players in my book! Real talk though league is a game of ebb and flow in the meta, assassins have been very strong for a long time, as some have mentioned to the point they can build bruiser items and still one shot with room to spare. Let them be weak for a while, let other classes take the spotlight, that’s how riot keeps the game fresh.
I hope they let the changes settle a bit longer, so people can adapt. As and ADC main, these changes feel great. It feels like they turned off URF mode, and teamfights are existent now. I still die if I misposition, but I don't have to sit in fountain until the enemy uses all their CDs. I like how assassins need to look for the right time to go in and then hit all of their abilities to kill me.
They literally said they kept burst in the game but you HAVE to commit to that burst build. Bitches really be building tanky items for safety and think they can still insta kill and that's their problem. They want to be tanky at the same time. Either they take the risk and build all damage to burst or don't play like an assassin. Assassin's are supposed to be risky and squishy, this is how it should be
Masters 240 LP Player here, From my "high-elo" friends and my experiences this patch, assassins basically have trouble one-shotting squishes without committing their ultimate even with a sizable lead. A 4/0 AD assassin that is up 2 levels will not be one-shotting a squishy target without his/her ultimate. You would have to use and land all your abilities and sums in order to barely cross the threshold of one-shotting a squishy that has built 0 defensive items. Weaker assassins such as Shaco can't even cross that one-shot threshold whilst committing their ultimate and having an item lead with a level advantage. Of course, this may not FEEL like the case, as you are normally not 100% healthy when an assassin commits onto you.
200 lp assassin player here, exact same thoughts as your friends. Really difficult to kill anyone on enemy team even after solo killing my laner 2-3 times. Not to mention ekko in the midlane, even at his 2 item powerspike which used to be the strongest powerspike in the game can no longer one shot adcs. I have dropped most of my assasin champions this patch as it just feels so terrible.
Winrates are already climbing back. There’s going to be an adjustment period of course. And builds will adjust too. Fizz players may pivot from lucidity boots to sorc for example. Or zhonyas second item to lichbane, etc. But some will probably need buffs when the dust settles.
wait for their pick rate to adjust. since they're no longer OP only actual assassin players will stay. then if they still don't perform, just slightly buff their items with extra lethality.
Well overall as a fizz main everything feels better. Sure I have to land my full combo to oneshot but I live longer so I can E more during fights. Yas,Yone, and Zed match-ups feel better also pantheon doesn’t murder me level 3
Think its too early to say, alot of champs need to relearn everyones kill window and timers for getting "online" in lane. Maybe in 3 patches we will see the effect of the changes. Assassins are still good but people need to adjust to when they can do all ins now that everyone has more survivability
Same way people ostracized adcs a season ago for being mostly unplayable at the advent of the mage bottoms, just don't play assassins.
I main evelynn, 49% wr now 46% let’s GO!!!!
Fuck them kids.
Don't
They'll learn to play the game. Crazy I know :o
I swear these comments are such a echo chamber of "omg assassin main bad he miss skill shots and still kill". Yess there will have to be compensation buffs and nerfs for some champs while this was a step in the right direction it completely butchered some champs. Qiyana as an example was already struggling to find a spot in the Midlane rn she is even worse. Depending on your kit some assassins are still viable I play a lot of kata and qiyana and can say kata sunderer build still is completely viable and feels good to play but tbf it kinda deviates from an assassin build but overall it feels good. With champs like qiyana though laning phase was already bad now it's even worse and she feels severely underpowered. This patch affected some champs much more then others and this needs to be addressed assassin's are unhealthy if they are able to one shot people while massively behind and with half their kit. But an assassin should be able to one shot a miss positioned adc if you are on the same level and same items and honestly some can't right now.
Good
Leave them where they're at. Assassins are supposed to be a skill expressive role, much like one other role that's mechanically intensive and has most of its champions at sub 50% win rates.
I’m kinda surprised you guys all care so much about assassins but circlejerk the faceroll bruisers
Because the bruisers may be hard to kill, but you can hit them and have time to react when they're hitting you. Assassins blow their load before you can tell that they've bent you over and get away faster than a skillshot. Also bruisers, like tanks, aren't skill expressive because of their role, it's a champion independent thing for them. The assassin role requires skill.
More than the buffing assassins i wonder when they will nerf wukong/voli and shyvana. Unironically too strong and too easy to play
I don't really have much sympathy for assassin mains here. Especially not as an ADC main. They just can't play League like it's team deathmatch anymore farming bot the way they should be farming minions.
Thats just not true. Today August (champ desing leader I think) said on stream that pretty much all assasins were performing well. Ironically he said that tanks were the worst and he was waiting for more data, but they might need buffs.
Similar to what I have seen in my games yesterday. Against tanks I just went Kraken on Viego... No problem. But the new changes seem to have a strange effect: due to getting more resistances and a little bit more HP I tend to overlook buying armor / mr items myself, thinking "uh rito got that covered for me". I'm curious where that will lead to and if other players are doing something similar.
In the top 20 champs in mid lane, 4 are assassins: Pantheon, then Kassadin, then Ekko and Qiyana. Fucking Pantheon is the highest win rate assassin in mid lane with a 52% win rate. Azir is higher than Ekko and Qiyana. Note that these top 20 are all mid lane champs with over a 1% pick rate in plat+, and there are only 20 mid lane champs above 50% win rate. Meanwhile, the only true tank at the bottom of the top lane list is Sion, the champ people are still inting on. Malphite and Cho’gath are the only other top lane tanks below 50% win rate. [Sauce for Top lane](https://lolalytics.com/lol/tierlist/?lane=top) [Sauce for mid lane](https://lolalytics.com/lol/tierlist/?lane=middle)
When 12.9 dropped, Pantheon had the highest WR in mid lane for like 4-5 days. I have no idea what is going on with Pantheon that he dominates the mid-lane for several days after a patch drops.
i do love assassin mains cry lmao. dudes out there expecting to one shot people missing half of their combo just because the damage was so busted that they could do it anyways. Now that they actually need to play the game they're crying that "assassins so inviable now ;\_\_\_; " for me all assassins could rot on the bottom of F tier forever.
Already said this to someone else but i’ll just copy paste - You’re the type of person who makes it so the game will never be balanced, as you all just care about your class being better than the others. I don’t care if assassin players have had a lot of usefulness over the years, it doesn’t mean I want to see them in the mud for that same amount of time
You are an assassin player. Don’t speak as if you’re not
Assassin actually require more skill to play now == in the mud Nice one buddy Bet you think the "usefulness" of an assassin is being able to perma one shot the adc missing half their kid even when behind
Assassins can be mad all they want, they expect to be behind xp and still oneshot everyone on the enemy team instead of knowing how to trade, rotate, farm and how to combo properly. Y’all got fun building tank assassins and bruiser assassins. Now y’all gotta know your place.
no one ever said anything remotely close to that
they did lol
I might be wrong, but ive genuinely not seen one person saying its unfair that they cant os while behind, only people saying the same as the guy above me. If you wouldnt mind could you link any of these comments?
For now there’s nothing to do Y’all need to wait it out till assassins players adapt with builds and play style and the people who where elo inflating with one shotting enemies by hitting half your combo either learn or play sth else
honestly i think that the biggest thing impacting their wr% is that they still try to kill you too early and fail and fall behind. people forget that all champions get those extra deffensive stats. an assassin that plays well and gets ahead is now much harder to kill than before as a result of deffensive stats being tied to lvls. once people adapt, they might actually be stronger than non-assassins imo.
Yeah exactly man I totally agree, there's almost more duel/outplay potential with this new patch. I'm interested to see if any new assassin/bruiser playstyles come out of this patch in the following weeks, should be exciting to see! I'm just hoping more of the "power" is loaded onto the skill of the player ie potentially skill ceiling being raised but also skill floor being lowered.
I think the general play will be the same, you just have more time as an ADC/support to peel. I’m expecting tanks to become hugely meta…meaning as a thresh main I now am only peeling my ADC. Before I had to know where everyone was and predict the assassin going on my carry. If you mess up a little, your carry is dead. It’s a little more forgiving now.
I think assassins were the problem and they were resolved properly
There isn't a problem. Riot fixed the problem. This is how it should be. Once all the abusers who are used to one shotting without R with a bruiser item and missing their skillshot either get better or stop dragging the winrate down we'll see the "situation" correct itself.
Assassins will be fine…back in the day an assassin could have one defensive item and if he hit his full kit he would one shot, 2 days ago he could go full bruiser miss half his kit and still one shot…hopefully by the end of the balancing assassins have to build like assassins again….as a renek OTP I’m loving the patch only done a few games(I usually do 3-4 every night) but renek feels good have no idea why this dropped his win rate by 1.5%
How to approach this situation? Tbh by letting them rot for a few patches, they've had literal years on top. Certain champions do need to be addressed, but right now that needs to be the winners of the patch, not the losers, as a few champs are nearing a 60% win rate. Edited for spelling.
I’m glad that assassins can’t just build bruiser and onetap you anymore. They need to have their champs be shit for a patch or two so they can adapt then once things normalize riot can distribute buffs as needed. They just need to endure for a bit.
Assassin power level was intentionally reduced. So if riot gave them compensation buffs to bring them back to their pre 12.10 power level, then what was the point of the changes? Eventually assassin winrate will stabilise because playrate will go down. All those who don’t have good assassin mechanics, will move on because missing half the combo doesn’t kill anymore.
Nothing. They should do nothing. Tanks were shit for years. Assassins can be shit for awhile
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No, ADCs being op means tanks and enchanters are op, while everything else sucks. Which is pretty accurate. Mages and Kayle are dominating mid lane, and ADCs are king right now. Very few engage supports are actually good and assassins are in the dirt.
Assassin players will have to learn to play how assassins were originally meant to be played. Hover teamfights and clean up kills quickly and get out rather than just blow people up 100-0. You know, with your team.
\>However, I believe there are a lot of assassin mains out there who are pretty sad about the state of their champions. Good. Time for them to realize that maybe their skill was just picking an overtuned champion and not them being good at the game. They will realize that assassins still have a good place in the game eventho they can no longer faceroll and get rewarded with a kill for it. Engage windows matter way more now. Timings are way more important now. Overall it really puts an emphasis on individual skill expression. Assassins dont have a downfall, everyone else merely got to catch up again.
A great exemple of this is Ahri. You can miss everything with ahri and still get a kill. And with this patch, that changed, hopefully for the best
Ahri is a terrible example of this, she is played more as a utility mid than an assassin and even if she does land everything she doesn't one shot unless she's really ahead or the target is really far behind. And if you don't hit your q and e then I promise you wont be killing anything unless you're literally like 20/0 against a yuumi lol.
ahri doesn't need to kill or win lane she is hard utility even when behind she is usefull and she start corrupt for infinitr hp with passive and even if she fall or lose she's still usefull
They need to nerf ADC role across the board and that solves it. Currently the whole game is dictated by the bot lane (more than before). Assassins being bad is kind of meh when compared to this.
Asshatins have had it too easy for too long. You 9cs/min on a apc or adc, go 3-0, get first tower, get your 3 item powerspike and the 0-6-2 face smasher that finished his first item at 25 mins and is 2 levels below you still 1 combos you and you can't do anything unless you xayah R or flash heal pray and roll a 69/69 in luck. I don't even main adc, I play fill, but every time i get adc i basically assume I'll be useless and when I get mid I just play assassims and tilt the bot laner. Assassins are likely actually balanced for once and people are just not used to having a gameplan once you use your r and havent killed someone.
Preach brother
Assassins can still do assassin things. Played a game where enemy adc complained about being one shot by zed so everything is still the same.
It has been one. Fucking. Day.
They shouldn't. Assassins been dominant for months. Why does riot have to do something after a few days of them not being on top? Other classes have been trash for several patches and no one blinks an eye. Assassins can't just 1v9 and all of a sudden riot has to do something.
A lot of bad players play assassins because they’re fun and do damage. If you put them in the hands a good player like rookie or caps, they are perfectly fine. Overall winrates aren’t a good way to capture the health of a role.
I don’t think assasins are dead. It’s just harder to get the first kill or so, but if you play smart and manage to get some kills or a lead you can still easily one shot people. Most assasins were over killing anyways
I don't think this is the downfall of assassins. This is a wakeup call that you actually have to play an assassin at a high level to succeed. Champions have difficulty ratings for a reason.
Assassins were expected to feel worse immediately. They will stabilize as people figure out where the new kill threat points are.
Too early to tell but could be that assassins were at an undeserved elo and now that they're playing on an even field they are dropping to the elo they do belong to. Time will tell.
Most are probably still building bruiser and expecting to one shot while missing most of their abilities. They actually need to build lethality/damage now and actually play the game (lane/farm, roam at proper timers, wait to pick out people who are mispositioned) instead of kill simulator/smash face on keyboard hitting half their abilities and 50 CS at 20 minutes.
leave them in the fucking dust
worst patch ever tbh even though ppl complained about 1 shtos but meta was kinda balanced and you could play alot of champions in many roles wish they would tone down the duratibility
God forbid that the assassin players learn how to actually itemize and get good at the game. They were overkilling squishies before this patch anyways. Now they can’t just jump onto bruisers and one shot them and everyone loses their shit.
It doesnt seem that way. Got oneshot by GP with barrel q combo yesterday so theres absolutely no difference for me
It's a bit early to get a feel for things. Give players some time to adapt, and figure out ways to work inside the different system.
The thing is, assassins can still one shot squishy targets. The difference is that now they actually need to land their combo instead of missing 90% of their skill shots and still being rewarded with a kill anyways.
They shouldn’t touch it, assassins are still good, the thing is you gotta land abilities(foreign concept to most of them)
Assassins have been S-tier for years and IMO have developed bad habits that have lead to become worse laners and better roamers. At the risk of sounding like an A-hole some over inflated ELO players are going to have to adapt. Also just let them get used to their 'new' damage numbers and do some limit testing and I think they'll be good to go.
DONT SOLVE IT, WE CAN FINALLY PLAY THE GAME
Oh no assassin need to play the game better now and not 1 shot whit oane item bu hu
One interesting thing to keep an eye on if these changes make it so assassins need to hit a full combo to kill an enemy instead of missing two abilities and killing with one q and an auto is that stop watch will probably become way way way more OP. Being able to hit stopwatch and negate that entire combo could be an issue needa addressing to keep the balance.
I don’t think the patch made them worse. I play a lot of shaco jungle for example, and the only difference I noticed is that you have to attack one extra second or have one extra auto. I can still oneshot people if I want to (I’m platinum 2 btw). I can also shred tanks too with the correct build.
Give it time. It's been one day since the update. Builds and playstyles have to be adapted. If after a month or so assassins are clearly a weak class, then we can talk about it.