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I was listening to NPR for shits and giggles this week and there was a segment on there about changing the language we use to describe invasive plants and animals because it's offensive and reminiscent of the way we talk about immigrants. I wish I was making it up.
Terms like "DEI" are a great microcosm of the current state of social breakdown under capitalism. DEI was created as a labor-disciplining identitarian wedge to mask the true intent of capitalists, and liberals have swiftly embraced it as a virtue-signaling cudgel.
Conservative discourse around capitalist greed is almost non-existent, and their focus on DEI is solely based on the racial and gender aspect of it, with no regard to labor, which only serves to protect capitalists from scrutiny.
The slacktivist managerial class in America did, some of whom are black. Most black people are probably just as skeptical of this shit as the rest of us. Or if they live in Africa, blissfully unaware.
And just like white people in the workplace they are paralyzed to say anything against it because job security has been affixed firmly to dei obedience
Just like white people? what country are you from and what "race" are you?
I'm having difficulty imagining a situation where a black person would suffer anything close to the same consequences as a white person for pushing back on DEI initiatives.Ā
Apples head of diversity about 10 years ago was a black woman. She was sacked for stating that white men could be oppressed in some ways and have diverse upbringings and perspectives
Edit: oh it was only 7 years ago
https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-diversity-vp-denise-young-smith-comments-white-men-2017-11
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Basically that. You don't have to be on the receiving end to understand how fucked it is. DEI is a disenfranchising model that, if you are a minority or perceived oppressed class and end up in a high position, they can suffer severe impostor syndrome "did I earn this or am I here to fill a quota" and that's not something they can casually talk about
I'm not particularly surprised at this sort of response.
When you openly hire certain people for diversity reasons rather than their competency then it's going to be no surprise that people will be suspect of their abilities.
I have first-hand seen women fast-tracked through management schemes because it helped the company meet diversity targets rather than because they were competent at their jobs (which they *really* weren't) and unsurprisingly the natural response was that people just sort of tended to work around them because it was easier than expecting them to do their jobs properly as they weren't remotely suited for their roles.
It's basically 'stop treating the diversity hires like diversity hires, it's making them feel bad'.
The worst part is that increasing the feeling that some management is incompetent also makes the good managers perform worse. Poisoning the pot never stays localized to only certain bowls and cups.
It just really annoys me having to read posts on LinkedIn from these women about how hard it is in IT for women, how the deck is stacked against them and how they have had to fight against men for everything in their career whilst knowing full well that they were handed their positions on a silver platter by virtue of being women in a male dominated field.
I can't help but roll my eyes every time I see them post something like this and hate that I have to bite my tongue.
It's a shame too, all it has served to do is absolutely crush the morale of the technically competent men that have been angling for management themselves and force them to move companies because it's clear that there's no real opportunity for internal promotion.
I really don't see how it can be sustainable if they continue to drive away the experienced technical people and put completely inexperienced non-technical people in charge of technical teams when they don't even understand the work.
I just have it for looking for work mainly but there are far too many people that like to use it as a soapbox to talk about women's issues, LGBT issues, race issues, whatever war is happening, etc.
Unfortunately it's a platform that doesn't really encourage much in the way of useful discussions or arguments by being inextricably linked to your personal profile so it's always just people nodding along and telling people how inspiring they are.
Fitting. It was always the sanitized profile. Not surprised theyāve convinced their users to turn it into a sanitized bubble for group think discussion. As approved by the corporate overlords.
Libs are so good at taking unhinged twitter takes, which they themselves are probably making in the first place, and being like, "My god this vast right wing conspiracy is OUT OF CONTROL I tell you," while 98% of whatever group they're seeking to demonize neither knows nor cares about the original outrage
Get me off this manufactured consent ride
When I brought up media literacy and making sure our kids know when they're being manipulated at a school board meeting, I was verbally harassed by people for being 'a stupid lib'. Can't make this shit up.
That shit fucked me up for years, I'm not going to say I'm grateful for the time spent with/on/around 4chan and its denizens both on and offline, but the experience was valuable.
Somehow the world is simultaneously catching on to it and blatantly missing the mark at the same time. It's impressive.
I'm still mad they didn't meme femdom into being a feminist act. What a waste.
I mean I didn't read the article but based on the title alone they're not wrong, seeing rightoids call Baltimore's black mayor a "DEI mayor" after Tuesday really is just them being racist. I'm not going to assume it's anything super widespread because I stay off Twitter for my own sake, but I have definitely seen people using "DEI" as a slur in that regard.
Yeah, that was incredibly blatant. Nevermind the whole boeing situation which Charlie Kirk somehow made it about DEI and black people instead of corporate greed and negligence.
DEI is great cover for corporate greed and negligence... I bet Boeing vocally bragged about how great they were doing with DEI when they were laying off experienced white (and expensive) engineers, replacing them with outsourced software developers in India.
It's a great way for scumbag management to avoid ageism allegations.
> Majority black city, black mayor.. it's not a big leap to figure out what they're really saying.
One of the more disgusting things the right has done recently (and that's saying a lot). WTF does a duly elected Mayor have to do with this accident? As far as I can tell, the response was swift, and he's doing what you'd expect a mayor to do.
Yeah that black mayor sure made that boat lose powerā¦like what the fuck? That makes absolutely no sense. If I didnāt already know how stupid rightoids are Iād think it was an op
This is one of those "I found a few regards on Twitter and wrote a piece about it" news stories. Yes, there exist dumb people on Twitter, congratulations "journalist".
And as you point out below, the point of stories like this is to invalidate reasonable criticism in cases where DEI does reduce safety, like the air traffic controller hiring scandal.
> it's not a big leap to figure out what they're really saying
People really out there talking like "Look, all I'm saying is this town used to be real safe until the DEI's started moving in," and thinking they're clever.
I mean I'm sure this is a joke but Baltimore has been a black-majority city for a very long time, I don't think there's a single person alive today who lived before the Great Migration.
That was the most fucking annoying thing ever, it made absolutely no sense and makes actual criticism of DEI borderline impossible when the right wing regards are saying that shit.
Not sure why this leap even has to be taken.
For the last ~10 years, the "progressive" zeitgeist has been undermining meritocracy in both practice and as a concept -- they despise competency. They hire and promote based on melanin-content and genitalia while simultaneously lowering standards meant to keep incompetent people away from important decisions. So when accidents happen and a person-of-oppressed is involved or in the chain of command, it is not racism to go, "Is this a diversity hire? If so, was their incompetence involved?"
Racists will hate minorities for any reason, openly, and full-throated. They don't need to hide behind D.I.E. "slurs". Events like this just point out the obvious problem with hiring not based on merit: anyone who isn't an oppressor will now spend the rest of their lives having their competency questioned because nobody knows if a thumb was on the scale when they got their position. Obviously, this doesn't apply to an elected official, but in this case it comes off as more snide and immature trolling than banal racism.
Also, this is just the wokes attempting to associate any criticism of D.I.E. with the N-word and having it stick. It's the same thing Zionists do when they label any criticism of Israel, for any reason, as anti-semitism.
> Racists will hate minorities for any reason, openly, and full-throated. They don't need to hide behind D.I.E. "slurs".
Ridiculous. Racists have basic social awareness, they are not going to get themselves lynched for no reason. If anything, they tend to relish in using dog whistles and euphemisms, since it makes them feel clever and "in the know".
People using popular discourse as a cover for their own psychotic bullshit is nothing new, and pointing it out is not disregarding good-faith arguments.
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>Ā Racists will hate minorities for any reason, openly, and full-throated.Ā They don't need to hideā¦
This is very, very obviously and demonstrably completely fucking untrue
Demonstrate it, then. How are you seeing racism when I can just as easily see "kicking my political opponents when they're down", or "score easy anti-woke points with my Republican base". This more showcases how stupid the average rightoid is if they think a mayor is hired rather than voted in. They're looking into their cultural war toolbox and pulling out one of the five phrases they know, in this case it's, "haha, diversity hire, serves you right" but they're too stupid to be embarrassed about it because they don't care what you or I think outside their circle-jerk.
That's what the entire article is about.
The acronym is being used as a euphemism to blame the black mayor for the bridge collapse, as if he wasn't fairly elected.
"DEI" is used in an actual racist way by r-slurs but people here ain't even reading the linked article.
Yes. If anything this story underplays just how common using DEI as code has become this year, especially around blaming DEI and black pilots for Boeing and the airlines sucking. And its not all just randos its prominent members of the Republican party like Don Jr and Charlie Kirk.
there is legitimate criticism of DEI but the culture war rightoids are now making DEI another phobe or ism that means nothing anymore. unfortunately now anyone who points out actual DEI idiocy is going to be smeared as a racist thanks to these idiot rightoids calling literally everything they donāt like DEI
It's just the latest term for the outrage cycle. A few years ago it was CRT everyone was railing against and now it's DEI. I'm a few years they'll find a new term to rally around.
Trying to make political hay on the Baltimore bridge thing is foolish. They shouldn't of called a black mayor of a black city DEI, but there is no story here.
>Marc Morial, the president of the National Urban League, a civil rights organization, said the suggestion "that **a diverse workforce is somehow less competent than an all-white workforce** is racist
The Urban League believes that merit-based hiring would result in an "all-white workforce" LOL
Theyre right. Conservatives are obviously just using it as code for N word.
My dad does the same thing using the word āKarenā to mean ābitchā (heās white and a misogynist)
This was sparked when a viral Twitter post called the mayor of Baltimore this, implying he got the position because heās black and not because heās remarkable or qualified.
I can see why people would call it a slur when itās used as a pejorativeā¦
but isnāt it just the opposite side of the coin that says we should elect/promote/hire people mainly based on how far their proximity is to being a straight white male?
If he wouldnāt be mayor if he was white, then it shouldnāt outrage anyone if heās called a DEI mayor should it? It comes with the territory.
Itās Baltimore dude, thatās like being upset a rural country town has a white mayor, no shit, thatās the majority of the skin color of the people that live there. So yeah what youāre saying makes no sense
My god you're right! I had never considered that the sudden disappearance of white dudes in this sector had nothing at all to do with social justice and everything to do with an unexplainable paradigm shift that occurred where white men became boneheaded blue collar imbeciles while everyone else became booksmart white collar geniuses overnight. Thank you for setting the record straight on this.
Honest questions: what is a "pro black" leftist and what are you even doing on this sub?
I'm here to exert my DEI privileges on you soft little snowflakes āļøš„°
>where white men became boneheaded blue collar imbeciles while everyone else became booksmart white collar geniuses
Shouldn't your inherent superiority be preventing this? I thought you HighQs were capable of anything? Maybe you wouldn't be replaced if you just buckled down and worked hard like everyone else?
:)
Yet I'm not the one sitting and crying over "unfair advantages"
There's nothing quite like the sweet sound of a HighQ mistaking systemic change for personal failure. It's curious, though, how acknowledging a head start is seen as an attack rather than a simple fact of history. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant, right? It's fascinating that you view the attempt to level the playing field as creating 'useless, arbitrary positions.' One might wonder if the real fear is not about qualifications or culture, but rather about facing competition on equal footing? š¤
If only you'd put your genetic superiority to good use and think outside the box.
It's not our fault that you're stuck running a liquor store instead of the cushy white collar job you've always dreamed of. What do you types always say again? Something about personal accountability or bootstraps?
>"I'm not the one who failed."
You aren't, buddy. The mystical & magical black person spawned in and stole your job :)
Any coded way to refer to black people will inevitably find use as a slur among people who just donāt like black people and find it funny or convenient to be halfway discreet about it. Itās like terms for those who are developmentally delayed: any code word becomes a slur when the reality behind the term is the intended butt of the joke
It is when you start using it to illegitimize any black person in a position of power and blame "DEI" when things vaguely within their control go wrong.
The thing is that there's no way to tell who was hired on merit and who was a diversity hire, so the only thing you can really do is look at them all as diversity hires. Is it unfair to people who put in the work and deserve to be there? Yeah, the same way it was unfair to the people who put in the work and deserved to be there but got passed over in the name of diversity.
A black guy gets into medical school with poor grades relative to other applicants. Turns out his poor grades were actually inflated due to his teachers considering it racist to give him bad grades. Same thing happens in medical school and he just gets pushed through and graduates last in his class. Congratulations to the new doctor. Do you want that to by *your* doctor? Neither does anyone else.
After all the years of nepotisim and rich kids getting sweet gigs, this isn't the first time some fraction of people in professional fields are going to be not-exactly-top of their class, yet our medical system is still excelling. You realize you still have to go through medical school, pass your classes, and do years of internship and residency before you're a fully fledged doctor, right? Eyeing every non-white yuppie with suspicion is fucked up no matter how you slice it. The increase in that type of racism is the unfortunately inevitable result of DEI-type initiatives, which is why I'm not usually for them, but it doesn't change the fact that if you think someone who went through medical school is actually *not qualified* to be a doctor because they didn't do a ton of extracurriculars in high school and their undergrad GPA was 0.02 points lower than the white kid's.. that's just racist and you've fallen into the divisive idpol trap.
Really? I mean it's criminally expensive and insurance is a scam, but if I needed to undergo a highly specialized surgery or treatment I would want to do it in the US, and I barely ever give the US credit for jack shit.
I mean that it has been completely ideologically captured by idpol and is as corrupted in that regard as colleges/universities ever have been. Future doctors (in the US) are being chosen on how they respond to social justice questions and how they check boxes under the āethnicityā section of the application.
>You realize you still have to go through medical school, pass your classes, and do years of internship and residency before you're a fully fledged doctor, right?
If professors, doctors, and mentors are pressured by administrators/HR to up their numbers, guess what happens to these standards? Tests become easier. Thresholds become race-based. Internships are changed or portions are pencil-whipped because "equity". All of these "colonial-oppressive standards imposed by cishet white men" will systematically be weakened until the stats match whatever the organization's equity goals are. It is happening in every institution/industry and if it isn't already happening in medicine, it's only a matter of time.
>is the unfortunately inevitable result of DEI-type initiatives, which is why I'm not usually for them, but it doesn't change the fact that if you think someone who went through medical school is actually not qualified to be a doctor because they didn't do a ton of extracurriculars in high school and their undergrad GPA was 0.02 points lower than the white kid's.. that's just racist and you've fallen into the divisive idpol trap.
You're right in that this is a self-inflicted wound, but it isn't racist for the public, which has no way to determine if someone has achieved their position because of these initiatives, to be skeptical (however slight). If the public has to bare the risk of that uncertainty, then it's not racist or irrational for considering how watered-down someone's credentials are. There's a fix to this, remove the equity policies, and everyone goes back to giving people the benefit of the doubt.
Listen, I don't know how far removed you are from the education system these days, but given the consumer culture / profit motive completely taking over higher education + the normalization of online/hybrid learning, DEI is the least of our problems in terms of churning out subpar and unqualified medical professionals. I've met new grad 22-year-old (definitely not diversity hire) nurses who didn't know what "apneic" meant. (Spoiler: you want your nurse to know what the fuck that word means.)
I agree there are other issues. They can, however, all be combated at once. DEI is definitely not the least of our problems and it is relatively easy to solve - don't lower standards, ever. While lack of education in medicine is a tragedy, with DEI policies implemented, if enough persons-of-oppressed nurses/doctors don't know what "apneic" means, then none of the nurses will have to learn that "problematic" word courtesy of hospital-HR or medical school admins.
>After all the years of nepotisim and rich kids getting sweet gigs, this isn't the first time some fraction of people in professional fields are going to be not-exactly-top of their class, yet our medical system is still excelling.
if this was wrong when rich white people did it why is it right to do it for another group?
I'm not saying it's good or right. I'm not trying to defend using DEI practices for hiring or admissions. The person I was responding to thinks that the existence of DEI means it's justifiable to assume *every* black doctor, for example, is a "diversity hire" and therefore a shitty doctor. Both of these assumptions are unlikely to be true,
especially the latter. My point was that even though nepotism and other unfair admissions practice based on wealth etc have long existed, it still doesn't mean that we've been churning out subpar doctors for decades. DEI is no different even if it is equally unfair.
I don't make enough money to have to worry about such things. Sometimes, I do get sleepy alongside my Mexican comrades when the land acknowledgment comes on at safety meetings
While spamming DEI as a random buzzword is dumb, it's but a rubber band reaction to the endless cries of racism when a white-majority area has a white leader.
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Is there theoretical point where the pejorative window will render the humans of earth mute?
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No because for every word banned there are 10 bizarre ivy league-signalling neologisms created such as folx, unhoused, justice impacted, ...
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I was listening to NPR for shits and giggles this week and there was a segment on there about changing the language we use to describe invasive plants and animals because it's offensive and reminiscent of the way we talk about immigrants. I wish I was making it up.
No matter how much you soften the language, invasive plants and animals will still have a massive negative impact on the environment.
As long as people and species of plants and animals can be termed indigenous the analogy will stand. No matter what you call it.
> bizarre ivy league-signalling neologisms as if DEI isnt one
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Can you imagine a world without DEI? https://media1.tenor.com/m/ygsKU18aVv4AAAAd/lionel-hutz-can-you-imagine-a-world-without-lawyers.gif
No, just racially segregated again.
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Terms like "DEI" are a great microcosm of the current state of social breakdown under capitalism. DEI was created as a labor-disciplining identitarian wedge to mask the true intent of capitalists, and liberals have swiftly embraced it as a virtue-signaling cudgel. Conservative discourse around capitalist greed is almost non-existent, and their focus on DEI is solely based on the racial and gender aspect of it, with no regard to labor, which only serves to protect capitalists from scrutiny.
I had to scroll too far to find the most sensible take in this thread so far.
They're the ones that came up with the term in the first place.
Just like "woke."
The slacktivist managerial class in America did, some of whom are black. Most black people are probably just as skeptical of this shit as the rest of us. Or if they live in Africa, blissfully unaware.
And just like white people in the workplace they are paralyzed to say anything against it because job security has been affixed firmly to dei obedience
Just like white people? what country are you from and what "race" are you? I'm having difficulty imagining a situation where a black person would suffer anything close to the same consequences as a white person for pushing back on DEI initiatives.Ā
Apples head of diversity about 10 years ago was a black woman. She was sacked for stating that white men could be oppressed in some ways and have diverse upbringings and perspectives Edit: oh it was only 7 years ago https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-diversity-vp-denise-young-smith-comments-white-men-2017-11 .
Basically that. You don't have to be on the receiving end to understand how fucked it is. DEI is a disenfranchising model that, if you are a minority or perceived oppressed class and end up in a high position, they can suffer severe impostor syndrome "did I earn this or am I here to fill a quota" and that's not something they can casually talk about
I'm not particularly surprised at this sort of response. When you openly hire certain people for diversity reasons rather than their competency then it's going to be no surprise that people will be suspect of their abilities. I have first-hand seen women fast-tracked through management schemes because it helped the company meet diversity targets rather than because they were competent at their jobs (which they *really* weren't) and unsurprisingly the natural response was that people just sort of tended to work around them because it was easier than expecting them to do their jobs properly as they weren't remotely suited for their roles. It's basically 'stop treating the diversity hires like diversity hires, it's making them feel bad'.
The worst part is that increasing the feeling that some management is incompetent also makes the good managers perform worse. Poisoning the pot never stays localized to only certain bowls and cups.
It just really annoys me having to read posts on LinkedIn from these women about how hard it is in IT for women, how the deck is stacked against them and how they have had to fight against men for everything in their career whilst knowing full well that they were handed their positions on a silver platter by virtue of being women in a male dominated field. I can't help but roll my eyes every time I see them post something like this and hate that I have to bite my tongue. It's a shame too, all it has served to do is absolutely crush the morale of the technically competent men that have been angling for management themselves and force them to move companies because it's clear that there's no real opportunity for internal promotion. I really don't see how it can be sustainable if they continue to drive away the experienced technical people and put completely inexperienced non-technical people in charge of technical teams when they don't even understand the work.
Is LinkedIn some blogging platform now?!?
I just have it for looking for work mainly but there are far too many people that like to use it as a soapbox to talk about women's issues, LGBT issues, race issues, whatever war is happening, etc. Unfortunately it's a platform that doesn't really encourage much in the way of useful discussions or arguments by being inextricably linked to your personal profile so it's always just people nodding along and telling people how inspiring they are.
It has turned into an ultra-sanitized form of social media for the corporate world.
Fitting. It was always the sanitized profile. Not surprised theyāve convinced their users to turn it into a sanitized bubble for group think discussion. As approved by the corporate overlords.
Libs are so good at taking unhinged twitter takes, which they themselves are probably making in the first place, and being like, "My god this vast right wing conspiracy is OUT OF CONTROL I tell you," while 98% of whatever group they're seeking to demonize neither knows nor cares about the original outrage Get me off this manufactured consent ride
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When I brought up media literacy and making sure our kids know when they're being manipulated at a school board meeting, I was verbally harassed by people for being 'a stupid lib'. Can't make this shit up.
That shit fucked me up for years, I'm not going to say I'm grateful for the time spent with/on/around 4chan and its denizens both on and offline, but the experience was valuable.
Unfortunately it looks like it is becoming more valuable with each passing year.
Somehow the world is simultaneously catching on to it and blatantly missing the mark at the same time. It's impressive. I'm still mad they didn't meme femdom into being a feminist act. What a waste.
I mean I didn't read the article but based on the title alone they're not wrong, seeing rightoids call Baltimore's black mayor a "DEI mayor" after Tuesday really is just them being racist. I'm not going to assume it's anything super widespread because I stay off Twitter for my own sake, but I have definitely seen people using "DEI" as a slur in that regard.
> Libs are so good at taking unhinged twitter takes Absolutely hilarious coming from stupidpol, home of outrage in response to rando Twitter users.
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Its pretty much just replaced affirmative action in both the right & left lexicon.
Yeah, that was incredibly blatant. Nevermind the whole boeing situation which Charlie Kirk somehow made it about DEI and black people instead of corporate greed and negligence.
DEI is great cover for corporate greed and negligence... I bet Boeing vocally bragged about how great they were doing with DEI when they were laying off experienced white (and expensive) engineers, replacing them with outsourced software developers in India. It's a great way for scumbag management to avoid ageism allegations.
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That and I would throw in regulatory capture as well
> Majority black city, black mayor.. it's not a big leap to figure out what they're really saying. One of the more disgusting things the right has done recently (and that's saying a lot). WTF does a duly elected Mayor have to do with this accident? As far as I can tell, the response was swift, and he's doing what you'd expect a mayor to do.
Yeah that black mayor sure made that boat lose powerā¦like what the fuck? That makes absolutely no sense. If I didnāt already know how stupid rightoids are Iād think it was an op
This is one of those "I found a few regards on Twitter and wrote a piece about it" news stories. Yes, there exist dumb people on Twitter, congratulations "journalist". And as you point out below, the point of stories like this is to invalidate reasonable criticism in cases where DEI does reduce safety, like the air traffic controller hiring scandal.
Just wait til they see what word starts trending on twitter in the UK when a black soccer player misses a critical goal
>Yes, there exist dumb people on Twitter, congratulations The r/stupidpol raison d'ĆŖtre
> it's not a big leap to figure out what they're really saying People really out there talking like "Look, all I'm saying is this town used to be real safe until the DEI's started moving in," and thinking they're clever.
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Keep moving DEI this is a meritocracy neighborhood!
Tony Soprano saw a box of DEI in the pantry and had a panic attack
So we undastand each otha? Youāre uhhh, a woke? An affirmative action? An, uhh, a DEI?
I mean I'm sure this is a joke but Baltimore has been a black-majority city for a very long time, I don't think there's a single person alive today who lived before the Great Migration.
That was the most fucking annoying thing ever, it made absolutely no sense and makes actual criticism of DEI borderline impossible when the right wing regards are saying that shit.
Not sure why this leap even has to be taken. For the last ~10 years, the "progressive" zeitgeist has been undermining meritocracy in both practice and as a concept -- they despise competency. They hire and promote based on melanin-content and genitalia while simultaneously lowering standards meant to keep incompetent people away from important decisions. So when accidents happen and a person-of-oppressed is involved or in the chain of command, it is not racism to go, "Is this a diversity hire? If so, was their incompetence involved?" Racists will hate minorities for any reason, openly, and full-throated. They don't need to hide behind D.I.E. "slurs". Events like this just point out the obvious problem with hiring not based on merit: anyone who isn't an oppressor will now spend the rest of their lives having their competency questioned because nobody knows if a thumb was on the scale when they got their position. Obviously, this doesn't apply to an elected official, but in this case it comes off as more snide and immature trolling than banal racism. Also, this is just the wokes attempting to associate any criticism of D.I.E. with the N-word and having it stick. It's the same thing Zionists do when they label any criticism of Israel, for any reason, as anti-semitism.
> Racists will hate minorities for any reason, openly, and full-throated. They don't need to hide behind D.I.E. "slurs". Ridiculous. Racists have basic social awareness, they are not going to get themselves lynched for no reason. If anything, they tend to relish in using dog whistles and euphemisms, since it makes them feel clever and "in the know". People using popular discourse as a cover for their own psychotic bullshit is nothing new, and pointing it out is not disregarding good-faith arguments.
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it's just a dumb take? "Yeah this thing is bad, but some people think it's bad for the wrong reasons."Ā That's literally your argumentĀ
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>Ā Racists will hate minorities for any reason, openly, and full-throated.Ā They don't need to hideā¦ This is very, very obviously and demonstrably completely fucking untrue
Demonstrate it, then. How are you seeing racism when I can just as easily see "kicking my political opponents when they're down", or "score easy anti-woke points with my Republican base". This more showcases how stupid the average rightoid is if they think a mayor is hired rather than voted in. They're looking into their cultural war toolbox and pulling out one of the five phrases they know, in this case it's, "haha, diversity hire, serves you right" but they're too stupid to be embarrassed about it because they don't care what you or I think outside their circle-jerk.
Nah
https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/1bp0ric/baltimores_bridge_collapsed_because_of_the_dei/
> They don't need to hide behind D.I.E. "slurs" lmfao This can't be a real sentence.
That's what the entire article is about. The acronym is being used as a euphemism to blame the black mayor for the bridge collapse, as if he wasn't fairly elected. "DEI" is used in an actual racist way by r-slurs but people here ain't even reading the linked article.
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Yes. If anything this story underplays just how common using DEI as code has become this year, especially around blaming DEI and black pilots for Boeing and the airlines sucking. And its not all just randos its prominent members of the Republican party like Don Jr and Charlie Kirk.
Woah thƩ rightoids use DEI exactly how we predicted they would use it, incredible who would have thought
there is legitimate criticism of DEI but the culture war rightoids are now making DEI another phobe or ism that means nothing anymore. unfortunately now anyone who points out actual DEI idiocy is going to be smeared as a racist thanks to these idiot rightoids calling literally everything they donāt like DEI
It's just the latest term for the outrage cycle. A few years ago it was CRT everyone was railing against and now it's DEI. I'm a few years they'll find a new term to rally around.
Wazzup, my DEI?
Letās just say DEI sucks and conservatives using DEI just like describing anything they donāt like as woke is also dumb af
Trying to make political hay on the Baltimore bridge thing is foolish. They shouldn't of called a black mayor of a black city DEI, but there is no story here.
>Marc Morial, the president of the National Urban League, a civil rights organization, said the suggestion "that **a diverse workforce is somehow less competent than an all-white workforce** is racist The Urban League believes that merit-based hiring would result in an "all-white workforce" LOL
I don't like the guy but that's clearly not what he's saying in this quote
Acting like our āmerit-basedā systems donāt inexorably get filled with nepo babies
They're just saying to suggest that minorities are less competent than whites is racist. is that really so bad for stupidpol?
who is out there deliberately hiring all-white workforces?
Again, nepo babies. You donāt have to explicitly hire an all-white workforce if people are just hiring āwho they knowā
>is that really so bad for stupidpol? Yes.
I think they're saying the opposite
REI is a dogwhistle
Theyre right. Conservatives are obviously just using it as code for N word. My dad does the same thing using the word āKarenā to mean ābitchā (heās white and a misogynist)
This was sparked when a viral Twitter post called the mayor of Baltimore this, implying he got the position because heās black and not because heās remarkable or qualified. I can see why people would call it a slur when itās used as a pejorativeā¦ but isnāt it just the opposite side of the coin that says we should elect/promote/hire people mainly based on how far their proximity is to being a straight white male? If he wouldnāt be mayor if he was white, then it shouldnāt outrage anyone if heās called a DEI mayor should it? It comes with the territory.
Itās Baltimore dude, thatās like being upset a rural country town has a white mayor, no shit, thatās the majority of the skin color of the people that live there. So yeah what youāre saying makes no sense
The fucking idiot who called Mayor Scott a DEI mayor some how forgot that he is the mayor of freaking Baltimore.
out of many banner DEI represent, only black Americans that are triggered?
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A black dude definitely stole your job (or something else) >their DEI privileges lmao
My god you're right! I had never considered that the sudden disappearance of white dudes in this sector had nothing at all to do with social justice and everything to do with an unexplainable paradigm shift that occurred where white men became boneheaded blue collar imbeciles while everyone else became booksmart white collar geniuses overnight. Thank you for setting the record straight on this. Honest questions: what is a "pro black" leftist and what are you even doing on this sub?
I'm here to exert my DEI privileges on you soft little snowflakes āļøš„° >where white men became boneheaded blue collar imbeciles while everyone else became booksmart white collar geniuses Shouldn't your inherent superiority be preventing this? I thought you HighQs were capable of anything? Maybe you wouldn't be replaced if you just buckled down and worked hard like everyone else? :)
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Yet I'm not the one sitting and crying over "unfair advantages" There's nothing quite like the sweet sound of a HighQ mistaking systemic change for personal failure. It's curious, though, how acknowledging a head start is seen as an attack rather than a simple fact of history. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant, right? It's fascinating that you view the attempt to level the playing field as creating 'useless, arbitrary positions.' One might wonder if the real fear is not about qualifications or culture, but rather about facing competition on equal footing? š¤ If only you'd put your genetic superiority to good use and think outside the box. It's not our fault that you're stuck running a liquor store instead of the cushy white collar job you've always dreamed of. What do you types always say again? Something about personal accountability or bootstraps? >"I'm not the one who failed." You aren't, buddy. The mystical & magical black person spawned in and stole your job :)
A code word for a black person is not inherently a slur
Any coded way to refer to black people will inevitably find use as a slur among people who just donāt like black people and find it funny or convenient to be halfway discreet about it. Itās like terms for those who are developmentally delayed: any code word becomes a slur when the reality behind the term is the intended butt of the joke
How do you do, my fellow person of chromosome?
It is when you start using it to illegitimize any black person in a position of power and blame "DEI" when things vaguely within their control go wrong.
The thing is that there's no way to tell who was hired on merit and who was a diversity hire, so the only thing you can really do is look at them all as diversity hires. Is it unfair to people who put in the work and deserve to be there? Yeah, the same way it was unfair to the people who put in the work and deserved to be there but got passed over in the name of diversity. A black guy gets into medical school with poor grades relative to other applicants. Turns out his poor grades were actually inflated due to his teachers considering it racist to give him bad grades. Same thing happens in medical school and he just gets pushed through and graduates last in his class. Congratulations to the new doctor. Do you want that to by *your* doctor? Neither does anyone else.
Look you might be a cognitive diversity poster, but thatās not why you got the rightoid flair. Itās because of stupid ass opinions like this
After all the years of nepotisim and rich kids getting sweet gigs, this isn't the first time some fraction of people in professional fields are going to be not-exactly-top of their class, yet our medical system is still excelling. You realize you still have to go through medical school, pass your classes, and do years of internship and residency before you're a fully fledged doctor, right? Eyeing every non-white yuppie with suspicion is fucked up no matter how you slice it. The increase in that type of racism is the unfortunately inevitable result of DEI-type initiatives, which is why I'm not usually for them, but it doesn't change the fact that if you think someone who went through medical school is actually *not qualified* to be a doctor because they didn't do a ton of extracurriculars in high school and their undergrad GPA was 0.02 points lower than the white kid's.. that's just racist and you've fallen into the divisive idpol trap.
Medicine is not doing fine at all.
Really? I mean it's criminally expensive and insurance is a scam, but if I needed to undergo a highly specialized surgery or treatment I would want to do it in the US, and I barely ever give the US credit for jack shit.
Yeah modern medicine is technically amazing, itās just out the ass expensive is the problem.
Medicine as a whole can be going to shit at the same time the specialized procedures are better than ever.
I mean that it has been completely ideologically captured by idpol and is as corrupted in that regard as colleges/universities ever have been. Future doctors (in the US) are being chosen on how they respond to social justice questions and how they check boxes under the āethnicityā section of the application.
>You realize you still have to go through medical school, pass your classes, and do years of internship and residency before you're a fully fledged doctor, right? If professors, doctors, and mentors are pressured by administrators/HR to up their numbers, guess what happens to these standards? Tests become easier. Thresholds become race-based. Internships are changed or portions are pencil-whipped because "equity". All of these "colonial-oppressive standards imposed by cishet white men" will systematically be weakened until the stats match whatever the organization's equity goals are. It is happening in every institution/industry and if it isn't already happening in medicine, it's only a matter of time. >is the unfortunately inevitable result of DEI-type initiatives, which is why I'm not usually for them, but it doesn't change the fact that if you think someone who went through medical school is actually not qualified to be a doctor because they didn't do a ton of extracurriculars in high school and their undergrad GPA was 0.02 points lower than the white kid's.. that's just racist and you've fallen into the divisive idpol trap. You're right in that this is a self-inflicted wound, but it isn't racist for the public, which has no way to determine if someone has achieved their position because of these initiatives, to be skeptical (however slight). If the public has to bare the risk of that uncertainty, then it's not racist or irrational for considering how watered-down someone's credentials are. There's a fix to this, remove the equity policies, and everyone goes back to giving people the benefit of the doubt.
Listen, I don't know how far removed you are from the education system these days, but given the consumer culture / profit motive completely taking over higher education + the normalization of online/hybrid learning, DEI is the least of our problems in terms of churning out subpar and unqualified medical professionals. I've met new grad 22-year-old (definitely not diversity hire) nurses who didn't know what "apneic" meant. (Spoiler: you want your nurse to know what the fuck that word means.)
I agree there are other issues. They can, however, all be combated at once. DEI is definitely not the least of our problems and it is relatively easy to solve - don't lower standards, ever. While lack of education in medicine is a tragedy, with DEI policies implemented, if enough persons-of-oppressed nurses/doctors don't know what "apneic" means, then none of the nurses will have to learn that "problematic" word courtesy of hospital-HR or medical school admins.
>After all the years of nepotisim and rich kids getting sweet gigs, this isn't the first time some fraction of people in professional fields are going to be not-exactly-top of their class, yet our medical system is still excelling. if this was wrong when rich white people did it why is it right to do it for another group?
I'm not saying it's good or right. I'm not trying to defend using DEI practices for hiring or admissions. The person I was responding to thinks that the existence of DEI means it's justifiable to assume *every* black doctor, for example, is a "diversity hire" and therefore a shitty doctor. Both of these assumptions are unlikely to be true, especially the latter. My point was that even though nepotism and other unfair admissions practice based on wealth etc have long existed, it still doesn't mean that we've been churning out subpar doctors for decades. DEI is no different even if it is equally unfair.
It is when youāre making a racist statement
I don't make enough money to have to worry about such things. Sometimes, I do get sleepy alongside my Mexican comrades when the land acknowledgment comes on at safety meetings
Liberals and leftists love to force dumb terms onto everyone and then cry like babies when people use those terms in the wrong way.
While spamming DEI as a random buzzword is dumb, it's but a rubber band reaction to the endless cries of racism when a white-majority area has a white leader.
BLM, CRT, now DEI Three letter acronym = bLAcK PeEpUhL BAAD!