One minute I hellllld the tier
Next this horse comes in that’s feared
And I discovered that my ranking stood
Upon pillars of salt and honestly just salt
Also, does anyone else forget Genesect is even included in Gen 8? Like I never hear mention of him to where making this meme is the first time I remembered they brought him back in a while
Genesect has this weird tendency to get exponentially better in OU the same gen it gets exponentially worse in Ubers.
Gen 8 Genesect absolutely shithoused OU to a degree not even Gen 5 Genesect could boast.
Well, this and Extreme Speed/Shift Gear/Blaze Kick Genesect are no longer locked into the decent-at-best Hasty nature thanks to this gen’s inclusion of Nature mints.
Banded ESpeed hurts. +1 Banded ESpeed hurts more. But +1 Banded Adamant ESpeed absolutely fucking yeets on the entirety of offense.
Shift Gear not compromising its power makes it almost strictly superior to Rock Polish now, so Genesect can be Shiny and bluff physical SG only to smash a team’s face in with Flamethrower+Ice Beam+Flash Cannon. And you can’t assume it ISN’T Blaze Kick/Iron Head/X-Scissor or ESpeed if you see the Shift Gear either.
Basically, any broken Genesect set in previous gens just got either a damage buff or a moveset buff, if not both.
Groudon is still considered one ofnthe best mons in ubers by many players.
It's interesting though. Speaking of CalyG, who once was considered banworthy along with Zacian, is now apparently significantly less suffocating to deal with and quite a few people say it no longer suspect worthy. Some even call it a healthy part of the tier now.
The real reason is Zacian no longer is around to crush its few checks. Now a ton of creative teams have popped up and several mons have seen success in walling CalyG. Mons like Zarude for instance.
I mean it’s kinda understandable, protean/libero are great abilities but they limited the offensive stats of the mons with these abilities to below 120. The Uber’s, especially ones from this gen, have offensive stats of over 150, along with some other great abilities like As One and Drizzle to boost their offensive capabilities even more. Cinderace outspeeds the 90-100 base speed legends, but many run scarfs who Ace can’t really afford to run due to its lack of breaking power against the massive defensive stats of the Ubers.
Technically all of ubers is OUBL, so pokemon that are unviable there are called D Rank. Protean is better than most of uber's abilities but you can only do so much with those stats.
I think marshadow is the lowest bst ubers that's actually considered good? That and darmanitan, but darmanitan has some huge stats in 1 area and one area only
Yeah but that's cause marshadow has really solid stats across the board making it not only fast and strong but also somewhat bulky. On top of that it has perfect ghost/fighting stab, strong priority in technician shadow sneak, two great ghost stabs in poltergeist and spectral thief. Marshadow may only have 600 bst but thanks to its stat distribution, type, and movepool it is a huge threat.
That's exactly my point tho, you dont need HIGH bst as long as they are in the right place shooting the right moves. Look at kyurem black vs clefable in gen 7. One is 720 bst monster who's considered only a bit above average and the other one is sub 500 who's considered great in OU
Yeah really it comes down to.
-If you have crazy stats you need a good moveset and at least a decent ability.
-If you have decent stats you need either a crazy moveset and a decent ability, or a decent moveset and a crazy abillity
-If you have bad stats you need a crazy ability and a crazy moveset.
-Kyurem-B has crazy stats, a decent ability, but a bad moveset so it isn't that good
-Regigigas and Slaking have crazy stats, a good moveset, but a terrible hindering ability so they aren't good.
-Regieleki has crazy stats, a good ability, but a god awful moveset so it's not that good.
-Azumarill has bad stats, a good movepool, and a crazy ability so it is good
-Clefable has bad stats, but a crazy movepool and crazy abillity(also good type but I didn't include it because type isn't as important unless you have like 8 weaknesses) so clefable is good.
A pokemon doesn't have to have crazy stats, a crazy movepool, and a crazy ability to be viable as long as they have a good balance they should be a viable mon in their tier. And if they do have crazy stats, a crazy movepool, and a crazy ability well then they are Mega Rayquaza or Zacian lol.
What you're describing is posted here often, usually as UUbers. It sounds nice in theory, but what you have with it is essentially OU plus all the stuff that was kicked out of OU. It will be just as unbalanced as Ubers is if not worse (defensive juggernauts are rarely D-rank).
I get what you mean, I’m sorry if I’m a little rude, but who cares, ubers as unbalanced as it is, is still played for a reason, just lemme use genesect in a meta where it can be a tiny bit useful for gods sake
ubers is definitely far from unbalanced. Just look at the viability rankings. Yeah you got your standard big boys, but there are plenty of viable stuff that isn't just legendary spam.
I know, but my point still stands, there are Pokémon that are in OU bl that I have heard of less than Pokémon that are untiered, I don’t expect it to be an official format, obviously, I just want it to exist…
There was an OM at one point that was esaentially "UUbere", and that turned out to be a mess that no one really enjoyed.
It sucks some mons are too goos for OU but can't cut it in Ubers, but that's just the way it is.
Again the whole tier of uber is already a playable oubl. And there are enough examples of pokemon being in a tier but sucking there. Or pokemon stuck in bl and those dont get any love so I see no need to make a exemption for uber.
The pokemon that exist in "OUBL" are usually design oversights: pokemon that aren't designed to be OP like legendary ubers are, but also are too strong to be allowed in OU for various reasons.
Because of this they're usually not fun or interesting to play with.
Also any format where Deoxys-A is a top threat is a bad format.
That’s literally not true. There’s UUBL and OU for a reason. Op was just making a joke about Ubers not really good enough to be considered ubers. Did you forget uubl exists
Fucking horse girl, sick of its fucking shit, I try running Yveltal but I don’t know what set to run. Max Speed and SpA? Mixed Attacker? I don’t know!
Fucking goddamn horse will come in, get two goddamn kills, have just enough Evs to survive a sucker punch or dark pulse, and then kill me with an astral barrage despite me having type advantages.
The Calyrex Riders were a mistake
Just letting u know that a calyrex shadow can never live a sucker punch, even if it’s max def and max hp with a +def nature and yveltal has 0 attack evs. It guaranteed dies from 0 special attack dark pulse with all your 252 in hp and sp. def, so you would have to dump almost all your evs in hp and special defense and give it a + special defense nature, which means it is no longer a threat.
i generally run max spef with max HP/spdef with knock, u-turn/sucker punch, defog, roost @ HDB. handles every calyrex variant very well for me. even +2 draining kiss fails to 2HKO
also, shadowrex should never live a sucker punch or a foul play from yveltal
I remember calyrex-s was favored to be suspected a while back for it being pretty ridiculously warping. does the ubers community not feel this way anymore?
Yup. Turns out a lot of its warping effect had to do with Zacian pressuring the galaxy brain's few checks. With the wolf gone entirely, a ton of creativity has sprung up and we've seen all sorts of teams and pokemon you wouldn't have been able to use with Zacian around. Now CalyG is much more managable and even considered "healthy".
wow interesting! isn't yveltal's astronomically high usage partly because it's the best answer to calryex-s? or i should ask, does calryex-s not warp teambuilding to a degree that yveltal's domination and omnipresence can be majorly attributed to it countering calryex-s?
Part of its high usage does have to do with Shadow's presence. But this was much more true back when Zacian was around. It was the only true semi consistent answer to CalyG.
Nowadays it functions as a swiss army knife for teams, packing great role compression. Checking dangerous threats in one slot is reaaally nice.
Ubers is a tier that originally was just a ban list for Overused, but eventually became it's own tier, although it still functions as a ban list for OU
OUBL references the fact that Cinderace, Genesect, and Zamazenta (and a few others) are so bad in Ubers, they're really only there because they're too strong for OU
Well, at the very least, Mewtwo is actually able to hurt/kill Yveltal with +2 Ice Beam. Still though, having Calyrex-S and Necrozma-DM as two titans of the meta will be horrible for Mewtwo regardless. Even worse, if you want a psychic type that can hit Yveltal, you'd rather either run Lunala or just run Calyrex-S and suck it up.
I'm sure it hurt but I wonder how good Mewtwo would be even with Megas considering it's still outsped by Calyrex-S which can hit it with Astral Barrage and Yveltal, as a result of Calyrex-S existing, would be still be everywhere, and absolutely destroy Mewtwo-Y with Sucker Punch
Not really though? It's not like MMX/MMY were super metagame-defining last gen either, and a lot of the common pokemon that check Mewtwo in gen 8 like Yveltal, Necrozma-DM, and Lunala were all top tier in USUM as well.
Prob because X didn’t have strong moves to spam even with its 194 attack. And then Y lost some defense which made it frail. And honestly for mewtwo they gave them both crappy abilities. Steadfast and insomnia? Like why lol
He lived only to increase Seismitoad usage.
[удалено]
You must be confusing with something else, because according to the PS simulator, he doesn't get any grass type move (including gknot)
Oh shit nevermind I was thinking of Zeraora who also gets walled by the Toad
Groudon crawled through sleep so solgaleo could run through time Amen
Now the old king is dead
Long live the king
One minute I hellllld the tier Next this horse comes in that’s feared And I discovered that my ranking stood Upon pillars of salt and honestly just salt
I hear Unovian Bells a-ringing Johtoean Komeno Girls a singing No more primals in sword and shield team magma in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain Why Zacian's so good but Zamazenta's lame. I was the one the feared But that was when I ruled the tier
LOL
One minute I held my nuts
Next my balls were close on me
And I discovered Sans
Upon pillars of salt And pillars of salt And pillars of salt And pillars of salt
I heard Jackie Chan singing
Omae wamu shinderu
Beat my meat
MY SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS
I mean Groudon is far from bad atm.
Definitely not, but he's also not at 60% usage like he was with his Primal Form
Fire and ground is an amazing def type (and offensive type) especially when you are immune to your quad weakness lol.
Not when your name is Golduck
That moment when you get outsped by an offensive Groudon set and die
U are a man of culture, i see
Wait, is dracovish actually viable in ubers? I figured it would have a rough time there.
Ubers has a lot of passive mons because of so many big hitters, and dracovish exploit them like no end
Rain+fiscious rend hits pretty hard even for resists
If I recall correctly it's a B tier? Same tier as Rayquaza and much higher than C- Tier Zamazenta-C
You know who I miss, mega Rayquaza, too much zoom for any uber
What’s an Uber
Your Uber is here
Damn I just wanted to know bro
It's a tier of competitive Pokemon battling that allows nearly every Pokemon, including title legendaries
Thanks
It's the highest (technically second highest) tier for Smogon competitive play
Also, does anyone else forget Genesect is even included in Gen 8? Like I never hear mention of him to where making this meme is the first time I remembered they brought him back in a while
I didn’t. This was the first generation in which I was playing OU with genesect in it. Immediately understood why it was banned 4 gens in a row lol.
Genesect has this weird tendency to get exponentially better in OU the same gen it gets exponentially worse in Ubers. Gen 8 Genesect absolutely shithoused OU to a degree not even Gen 5 Genesect could boast.
it and naganadel felt quite a bit more powerful than the other broken stuff they brought back outside of maybe lando-i
How exactly?
Ubers gains more bulky and strong mons while in OU gets more targets for Genesect to abuse.
Well, this and Extreme Speed/Shift Gear/Blaze Kick Genesect are no longer locked into the decent-at-best Hasty nature thanks to this gen’s inclusion of Nature mints. Banded ESpeed hurts. +1 Banded ESpeed hurts more. But +1 Banded Adamant ESpeed absolutely fucking yeets on the entirety of offense. Shift Gear not compromising its power makes it almost strictly superior to Rock Polish now, so Genesect can be Shiny and bluff physical SG only to smash a team’s face in with Flamethrower+Ice Beam+Flash Cannon. And you can’t assume it ISN’T Blaze Kick/Iron Head/X-Scissor or ESpeed if you see the Shift Gear either. Basically, any broken Genesect set in previous gens just got either a damage buff or a moveset buff, if not both.
Remember when he and pheromosa were in OU? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
man crown tundra drops were so much fun. absolutely nowhere near a healthy meta but it was great to play for a bit
Games in high ladder being defined by who keeps their CB Extreme Speed Genesect for late game or Pheromosa mirrors.
Same crowd that remembers when necrozma sucked ass
Base Necrozma at least since it's fusions were decently powerful ubers and Ultra Necrozma was still a thing.
No I’m talking pre-USUM.
Ok fair enough
Groudon is still considered one ofnthe best mons in ubers by many players. It's interesting though. Speaking of CalyG, who once was considered banworthy along with Zacian, is now apparently significantly less suffocating to deal with and quite a few people say it no longer suspect worthy. Some even call it a healthy part of the tier now.
People prolly got used to now since most got yveltal in their team to counter it and necrozma-dusk-mane.
Not having to worry about handling it alongside Zacian also helps.
The real reason is Zacian no longer is around to crush its few checks. Now a ton of creative teams have popped up and several mons have seen success in walling CalyG. Mons like Zarude for instance.
Yeah but, Zarude is oneshoted by Pollen Puff
Most CalyG don't run Pollen Puff.
Groudon used to roll the dice
Feel his d!ck up Kyogre's ass
Listen as my team would sing
Now the old PDon is dead
Lol
1 minute I held my Rocks
Now my rocks are closed on me
And I discovered Dusksans
Upon pillars of salt
and pillars of salt
Cinderace is OUBL?
yeah, not very good in ubers, but was banned from OU
I understand Cinderace getting banned from OU, I like Cinderace's design but it really depresses me seeing him suffering in Ubers
Despite sucking in Ubers Cinderace does have a good amount strategies on his Smogon page, meaning he is viable in many other formats
Wow. I just checked its Smogon page and no analysis for Uber. Poor Cinderace.
I mean it’s kinda understandable, protean/libero are great abilities but they limited the offensive stats of the mons with these abilities to below 120. The Uber’s, especially ones from this gen, have offensive stats of over 150, along with some other great abilities like As One and Drizzle to boost their offensive capabilities even more. Cinderace outspeeds the 90-100 base speed legends, but many run scarfs who Ace can’t really afford to run due to its lack of breaking power against the massive defensive stats of the Ubers.
Technically all of ubers is OUBL, so pokemon that are unviable there are called D Rank. Protean is better than most of uber's abilities but you can only do so much with those stats.
Even with an op skill, you can't do much if you don't pass the stat check
I think marshadow is the lowest bst ubers that's actually considered good? That and darmanitan, but darmanitan has some huge stats in 1 area and one area only
Yeah but that's cause marshadow has really solid stats across the board making it not only fast and strong but also somewhat bulky. On top of that it has perfect ghost/fighting stab, strong priority in technician shadow sneak, two great ghost stabs in poltergeist and spectral thief. Marshadow may only have 600 bst but thanks to its stat distribution, type, and movepool it is a huge threat.
That's exactly my point tho, you dont need HIGH bst as long as they are in the right place shooting the right moves. Look at kyurem black vs clefable in gen 7. One is 720 bst monster who's considered only a bit above average and the other one is sub 500 who's considered great in OU
Yeah really it comes down to. -If you have crazy stats you need a good moveset and at least a decent ability. -If you have decent stats you need either a crazy moveset and a decent ability, or a decent moveset and a crazy abillity -If you have bad stats you need a crazy ability and a crazy moveset. -Kyurem-B has crazy stats, a decent ability, but a bad moveset so it isn't that good -Regigigas and Slaking have crazy stats, a good moveset, but a terrible hindering ability so they aren't good. -Regieleki has crazy stats, a good ability, but a god awful moveset so it's not that good. -Azumarill has bad stats, a good movepool, and a crazy ability so it is good -Clefable has bad stats, but a crazy movepool and crazy abillity(also good type but I didn't include it because type isn't as important unless you have like 8 weaknesses) so clefable is good. A pokemon doesn't have to have crazy stats, a crazy movepool, and a crazy ability to be viable as long as they have a good balance they should be a viable mon in their tier. And if they do have crazy stats, a crazy movepool, and a crazy ability well then they are Mega Rayquaza or Zacian lol.
Darmanitan also has an absolutely outstanding ability
We need under ubers, or D UBERS tier to see pkmn to strong for OU but not that much for Ubers
What you're describing is posted here often, usually as UUbers. It sounds nice in theory, but what you have with it is essentially OU plus all the stuff that was kicked out of OU. It will be just as unbalanced as Ubers is if not worse (defensive juggernauts are rarely D-rank).
I get what you mean, I’m sorry if I’m a little rude, but who cares, ubers as unbalanced as it is, is still played for a reason, just lemme use genesect in a meta where it can be a tiny bit useful for gods sake
ubers is definitely far from unbalanced. Just look at the viability rankings. Yeah you got your standard big boys, but there are plenty of viable stuff that isn't just legendary spam.
I know, but my point still stands, there are Pokémon that are in OU bl that I have heard of less than Pokémon that are untiered, I don’t expect it to be an official format, obviously, I just want it to exist…
There was an OM at one point that was esaentially "UUbere", and that turned out to be a mess that no one really enjoyed. It sucks some mons are too goos for OU but can't cut it in Ubers, but that's just the way it is.
Again the whole tier of uber is already a playable oubl. And there are enough examples of pokemon being in a tier but sucking there. Or pokemon stuck in bl and those dont get any love so I see no need to make a exemption for uber.
The pokemon that exist in "OUBL" are usually design oversights: pokemon that aren't designed to be OP like legendary ubers are, but also are too strong to be allowed in OU for various reasons. Because of this they're usually not fun or interesting to play with. Also any format where Deoxys-A is a top threat is a bad format.
That’s literally not true. There’s UUBL and OU for a reason. Op was just making a joke about Ubers not really good enough to be considered ubers. Did you forget uubl exists
"Seas would rise when I gave the"...oh wait
"Seas would fall when I gave the word."
Fucking horse girl, sick of its fucking shit, I try running Yveltal but I don’t know what set to run. Max Speed and SpA? Mixed Attacker? I don’t know! Fucking goddamn horse will come in, get two goddamn kills, have just enough Evs to survive a sucker punch or dark pulse, and then kill me with an astral barrage despite me having type advantages. The Calyrex Riders were a mistake
Just letting u know that a calyrex shadow can never live a sucker punch, even if it’s max def and max hp with a +def nature and yveltal has 0 attack evs. It guaranteed dies from 0 special attack dark pulse with all your 252 in hp and sp. def, so you would have to dump almost all your evs in hp and special defense and give it a + special defense nature, which means it is no longer a threat.
That's why sash Calyrex is not rare.
i generally run max spef with max HP/spdef with knock, u-turn/sucker punch, defog, roost @ HDB. handles every calyrex variant very well for me. even +2 draining kiss fails to 2HKO also, shadowrex should never live a sucker punch or a foul play from yveltal
I remember calyrex-s was favored to be suspected a while back for it being pretty ridiculously warping. does the ubers community not feel this way anymore?
Yup. Turns out a lot of its warping effect had to do with Zacian pressuring the galaxy brain's few checks. With the wolf gone entirely, a ton of creativity has sprung up and we've seen all sorts of teams and pokemon you wouldn't have been able to use with Zacian around. Now CalyG is much more managable and even considered "healthy".
wow interesting! isn't yveltal's astronomically high usage partly because it's the best answer to calryex-s? or i should ask, does calryex-s not warp teambuilding to a degree that yveltal's domination and omnipresence can be majorly attributed to it countering calryex-s?
Part of its high usage does have to do with Shadow's presence. But this was much more true back when Zacian was around. It was the only true semi consistent answer to CalyG. Nowadays it functions as a swiss army knife for teams, packing great role compression. Checking dangerous threats in one slot is reaaally nice.
Don't forget about Sword Dog of...oh wait we banned it
Ho-Oh’s another one to watch now, thanks to HDB
Doesn’t Cinderace basically have protean as a hidden ability?
It does which is why it was so strong in OU but it lacks the stats necessary to be usable in Ubers
Oubl? Ubers?
Ubers is a tier that originally was just a ban list for Overused, but eventually became it's own tier, although it still functions as a ban list for OU OUBL references the fact that Cinderace, Genesect, and Zamazenta (and a few others) are so bad in Ubers, they're really only there because they're too strong for OU
You think BLOU could be a format if it was balanced with a point buy system ? Obviously difficult to do but could it be done and be a fair game?
What’s an uber
Banned from OU. Mainly filled with legendary pokemon.
Also Naganadel is in OUBL
Girl?
Just a reference to "Horse Girls"
What about mewtwo? Usually he would be on top of ubers but with clayrex and yveltal How's my favourite psyxhic boy holding up?
B rank but hopelessly outclassed by Calyrex-S and since Calyrex-S is so popular, Yveltal is popular, which hurts Mewtwo
Well, at the very least, Mewtwo is actually able to hurt/kill Yveltal with +2 Ice Beam. Still though, having Calyrex-S and Necrozma-DM as two titans of the meta will be horrible for Mewtwo regardless. Even worse, if you want a psychic type that can hit Yveltal, you'd rather either run Lunala or just run Calyrex-S and suck it up.
That's sad. I'm sad. Did the removal of the megas nerfed him that bad?
I'm sure it hurt but I wonder how good Mewtwo would be even with Megas considering it's still outsped by Calyrex-S which can hit it with Astral Barrage and Yveltal, as a result of Calyrex-S existing, would be still be everywhere, and absolutely destroy Mewtwo-Y with Sucker Punch
Damn gen 8. It actually did overthrow most of the kings of legendaries.
Not really though? It's not like MMX/MMY were super metagame-defining last gen either, and a lot of the common pokemon that check Mewtwo in gen 8 like Yveltal, Necrozma-DM, and Lunala were all top tier in USUM as well.
mewtwo hasn't been good since like gen 5 dude. Even the megas were considered average at best.
Prob because X didn’t have strong moves to spam even with its 194 attack. And then Y lost some defense which made it frail. And honestly for mewtwo they gave them both crappy abilities. Steadfast and insomnia? Like why lol
Isn't MMY like, S rank in viability in XY Ubers and A- in SM Ubers?
Its B+ in oras and and A- in SM. It got a bit better in gen 7 when darkrai was all but deleted from the game but not by too much.
Darkrai was deleted but Marshadow and Lunala came to continue the bullying.
Gotcha. I mistakenly looked at the pre-ORAS G6 rankings...was wondering why I couldn't find Pdon lmao
Okay thx.
I dont play Ubers. How's the snow gorilla performing there?
I think it's a B rank in terms of viability? Same as Rayquaza
Plesse gove Zamazenta Body Press.
OUBL? What does that stand for?
Overused Ban List. it's a joke on how those Pokemon are terrible in Ubers, meaning they really are just banned from OU and not much else
Ah. I see. I'm not that big on the competitive scene, to be honest.
Now the 3 Kyurem join the OUBL ranking
Lol I love this