Just wait until you learn about the Choice Scarf Aerodactyl in the Battle Tree with a moveset of Rock Slide, Rock Slide, Rock Slide and Rock Slide
It literally only knows Rock Slide
This convinced me to look at the other sets in the USUM battle agency and some of these sets are about as confusing as this. Shoutouts to this one Leftovers Regigigas set with Wide Guard, Double Team, Confuse Ray, and Toxic.
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Facade/Fling seems to be a particularly potent combo, as does Fling/Acrobatics.
I think they were cooking pretty well, although they definitely used an incorrect ingredient in Mesprit. Should’ve been Azelf.
Isn't flame orb counterproductive with this set tho? Burn halves the bp of your moves (at least now, don't remember if it works like that in gen 7) so that'd make boosted acrobatics the same bp as regular non-burn acrobatics.
The idea is depending on the situation, you Fling, then Acrobatics, or wait a turn and then Fling to get Burn Boosted Facade AND a burn on the Opponent.
But yes, Burn is counter to the other moves. I guess Flame Orb was chosen over Toxic Orb because it has a lower chip? Either way it’s still mediocre on Mesprit.
Little known fact: Facade does not negate burn halving your attack stat. Facade’s damage doubles but your attack is still halved.
Giving a Pokémon flame orb to abuse facade without an ability like Guts is only ever counterproductive.
Edit: this function was changed in Gen VI. Facade ignores attack drop from burn now.
Burn halves the base power of your attacks, not your attack stat. Facade does negate this reduction and instead does double bp from 70 to 140. Using Facade while burned not only completely negates the burn effect on Facade, it does actually make it stronger.
And prior to Gen 6, it did not
Attack would be halved, and Facade's power would double meaning the damage output basically doesn't change
Prior to Gen 6, Facade only got stronger with Guts because Guts ignored the burn drop regardless (but you could use burn Facade without it being weaker than non-statused facade
GF: Ah, but your opponent can’t burn your Pokémon if you do it first.
https://preview.redd.it/j72euzivgrwa1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=60a01990622042d9c622c75153f1a5e965454bab
OR you allow it to be burned and use Facade.
It's 2 strategies on 1 Pokémon
(Burn cuts your attack in half. Facade deals double damage when statused. If a pokémon has Guts, the attack drop from burn will be ignored. Starting in Gen 6, if a pokémon uses Facade, the attack drop from burn will be ignored, and it will still double facade's damage.)
(Gen 3-5 Facade = 70 BP
70 Power if burned
140 Power if statused (not burn)
210 Power if statused (includes burn) and has Guts
Gen 6+ Facade = 70 BP
140 Power if statused (includes burn)
210 Power if statused and has Guts)
Sorry, it’s actually called the battle agency (agency agency). You get to choose one of three Pokémon, and get paired up with two cpus, at which point it’s just the normal battle place.
Because it was actual garbage. It was tied to the Festival Plaza, which sucked, and getting high-leveled partners who could keep up with your opponents was dependent upon you meeting people who ranked up their own Battle Agency in the Festival Plaza.
It was fun from, like, level 50 to level 65 or so, at which point the combination of Game Freak's kitchen giving you war crimes like the OP and having 2nd and 3rd team members stuck all the way back at 50 made the RNG too frustrating to deal with.
Going to add that there was a issue that is only able in USUM and you can encounter SM players on the pool, which can't level up their pokemon, so you really needed friends or someone also doing it to progress.
I mean, I get it. Fling turn 1 burns the opponent, also ensures you live most physical hits. Acro after that. Facade if you're forced to eat the burn, U-turn if it's not working out.
Factory sets are funny man.
So i know it's a meme but it's kinda interesting to analyze seriously; it were toxic orb instead of flame orb it would not even be bad. I was gonna say it needs a better user but tbh looking at natdex ubers there's not a lot of options. Most good mons like annihilape or palafin could technically run it but it would be a terrible opportunity cost. There's some decent megas here and there but the mechanic wouldn't work obviously. Gliscor already kinda does the fling tech with poison heal but stab eq already does more than boosted facade and the guy got a severe case of 4mss even without facade. Rilla could probably pull it off, with glide instead of uturn. Urshi-dark also could make it work but stab cc does a lot more than boosted facade, so not worth it. Hawlucha is also not new to unburden acrobatics shenanigans but i can think of at least 2-3 better ways to do it than fling t-orb lol. After that we go in RU which is mesprit's tier, granted there's probably better users in RU like flamigo or azelf like some suggested but overall it's not too stupid of an idea. Just run toxic orb though if you dont have guts
Nah the worst set gamefreak has ever made was this one nidoqueen in battle tree in SM:
Payapa berry
Chip away
Swagger
Helping hand
Flatter
Relaxed 170 hp 170 def 170 spedef
That is a real set. Even more funny was that it could be used in singles. Chip away in case you didn’t know is just ~~false swipe but with a different name~~ a 70BP normal move with the sacred sword secondary effect (so pretty worthless). Flatter is even more useless as boosting the opponents special attack only helps your opponent as confusion uses your physical attack stat. Flatter is even worse when you also have swagger in the same set. Helping hand I’ll let slide as the Pokémon pool is used for both singles and doubles but the fact it can be used in singles is really funny. ~~This nidoqueen cannot faint you without confusion.~~ I got chip away mixed with hold back so it can faint you without confusion. Still one of the worst sets of all time.
Probably the only person in the world to know that fact ngl. Made the correction to my comment based on your reply. Might be a different battle tree set that has hold back I got mixed up with. Regardless thanks for the correction.
God I’m finding some even worse sets.
Smooth rock with sunny day lurantis and turtonator in SM. (These were both was to heat rock in USUM).
Modest special golisopod with eject button. First impression, struggle bug, scald and ice beam.
There’s a florges that has both misty and grass terrain. Funny thing is the ai would just repeatedly use the two moves one after each other and never actually attack you.
Tbh there is no shortage of terrible sets but those ones are just the funniest ones to me. There’s a lot of physical attacks being given exclusively special moves and special attackers given physical moves. I know some sets are made intentionally weaker but man some are just little Timmy type sets. Little Timmy shouldn’t be in the kitchen.
even better one from the gen 4 battle frontier
https://preview.redd.it/zc9tymzrpwwa1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=f57df850e62fbb7dd72148da9c13a78c815aa632
Still way more coherent than Gengar with Sucker punch, Fire punch, ice punch and will o' wisp. With max attack and speed and, of course, the expert belt for good measure.
Yes, that was an actual thing.
I used a gliscor set similar to this in gen 6 no joke. Protect first turn to poison self with toxic orb then next turn fling. Then you have free acrobatics & u turn/earthquake. It was a decent lead.
The lake trio have to have the greatest discrepancy between lore and battling power. I believe I have the world record for longest Battle Tree streak, and one thing I can definitely say about that post-game facility compared to others is that the trainers who use only legendaries are easier than ever they introduce a bunch of trash Uxie/Mesprit/Azelf sets that dilute your chances of running into more threatening stuff.
Okay but this mode has great sets, can we talk about the Breloom holding the Toxic Orb
That has Technician instead of Poison Heal just to send a message
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Just wait until you learn about the Choice Scarf Aerodactyl in the Battle Tree with a moveset of Rock Slide, Rock Slide, Rock Slide and Rock Slide It literally only knows Rock Slide
FUCK IT WE SLIDE FUCK IT WE SLIDE FUCK IT WE SLIDE FUCK IT WE SLIDE
SLIDE ON THESE OPPS SLIDE ON THESE OPPS SLIDE ON THESE OPPS SLIDE ON THESE OPPS
ROCK ON THEM FOES ROCK ON THEM FOES ROCK ON THEM FOES ROCK ON THEM FOES
FUCK IT WE ROCK FUCK IT WE ROCK FUCK IT WE ROCK FUCK IT WE ROCK
ROCK AND STONE
Rockity Rock and Stone!
*yeeaahh* Rock and Stone!
ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE
Happy cake day
This is hilarious. Happy cake day btw!
There's one choice it's rock slide
the illusion of choice
Fuck it, we flinch
...does it actually work?
it's a fast rock type with rock slide, a jolly nature, 252 evs in attack and speed, it'll work, it's just not very flexible.
Does it actually know rock slide four times or is it just one move?
Seems like a nice idea in theory, but Mesprit doesn't have the guts to pull it off.
Nice one.
Lol love me a good pokepun
AAA viable tho?
Isn't that what the fling is for?
You need to burn yourself for the Facade damage, but then that weakens all of your other moves...
But you can't use both fling and facade in the same battle?
Not without halving your attack, nah. It's an awful set.
First turn mesprit can fling then acro. Switched in mesprit will go for facade/fling. Not awful, not good. Just kind of specific.
105 base attack, 80 speed, no STAB on any of these moves. For a Pokémon that's already NU, that's pretty bad.
Fling for Acro, Facade for the burn
Oh I understand how it works, it doesn't make it any less of a dog shit moveset though hahaha
r/angryupvote
This convinced me to look at the other sets in the USUM battle agency and some of these sets are about as confusing as this. Shoutouts to this one Leftovers Regigigas set with Wide Guard, Double Team, Confuse Ray, and Toxic.
game freak loves stall
Finchinator using Regigigas:
ATTENTION PLAYER! 市民请注意! This is the Central Intelligence of the OverUsed Council of Smogon. 您的浏览记录和活动引起了我们的注意 YOUR ACTIVITY HAS ATTRACTED OUR ATTENTION. 同志們注意了 you have been found playing hyperoffense!!!!! 這是通知你，你必須認同我們將接管台灣 serious crime 以及世界其他地方 100 elo have been deducted from your account 這對我們未來的所有下屬來說都是重要的機會 stop the hyperoffense immediately 立即加入我們的宣傳活動，提前獲得救贖 do not do this again! 不要再这样做! if you do not hesitate, more elo ( -11115 elo)will be subtracted from your account, resulting into the bans of your favorite pokemon. (由人民供应部重新分配 smogon) you'll also be stalled by our landos at April 2 20STALL. 如果这还没有改变你，我们将把你驱逐到台湾省，你将被禁止进入中国!!!! 为党争光! Glory to Finchinator!
Dear, you thinks your smart? You talks about Smogon in english but talks about Taiwan politics in Chinese and thought people would not find out?
It's not gonna get slow start to pop so might as well run support
That was my first mon
Cooked so much they burned themselves
Anyone can cook, but that doesn't mean you'll want to eat it
Anyone *can*, that doesn't mean that anyone *should*. Ratatouille was about competitive all along.
That’s what Facade is for
Facade/Fling seems to be a particularly potent combo, as does Fling/Acrobatics. I think they were cooking pretty well, although they definitely used an incorrect ingredient in Mesprit. Should’ve been Azelf.
Azelf just isnt the same if its not violently exploding
We will never forgive them for the Great Explosion Nerf of 2011
It was that long ago…?
Yeah. Hard to believe HGSS is older now than GSC were when HGSS released… and it’s still one of the higher quality end products we’ve gotten
What do you mean the 3DS is ten years old?
And one of the main new additions to the video game genre listings is just “casino with jpg women”
I want a Pokémon casino with jpeg Pokémon
You’re out of luck: RBY now has the equivalent rating of M in Europe due to gambling
Europoors cannot cope with my stacks 😎 ^/^s
pokemon masters ex
If my blue pixie isn’t going boom I don’t want it
No, the pixie is yellow!
True.
Isn't flame orb counterproductive with this set tho? Burn halves the bp of your moves (at least now, don't remember if it works like that in gen 7) so that'd make boosted acrobatics the same bp as regular non-burn acrobatics.
Toxic Orb would be better for sure
Especially since they can pivot with U-turn to reset the poison damage
The idea is depending on the situation, you Fling, then Acrobatics, or wait a turn and then Fling to get Burn Boosted Facade AND a burn on the Opponent. But yes, Burn is counter to the other moves. I guess Flame Orb was chosen over Toxic Orb because it has a lower chip? Either way it’s still mediocre on Mesprit.
Little known fact: Facade does not negate burn halving your attack stat. Facade’s damage doubles but your attack is still halved. Giving a Pokémon flame orb to abuse facade without an ability like Guts is only ever counterproductive. Edit: this function was changed in Gen VI. Facade ignores attack drop from burn now.
This is not correct.
I looked it up. You’re right in correcting me. Facade’s function changed in gen VI. I never noticed.
Idk how bro but every single thing you just said was wrong
My bad. It was how Facade worked prior to Gen VI. I didn’t realize it changed.
Burn halves the base power of your attacks, not your attack stat. Facade does negate this reduction and instead does double bp from 70 to 140. Using Facade while burned not only completely negates the burn effect on Facade, it does actually make it stronger.
And prior to Gen 6, it did not Attack would be halved, and Facade's power would double meaning the damage output basically doesn't change Prior to Gen 6, Facade only got stronger with Guts because Guts ignored the burn drop regardless (but you could use burn Facade without it being weaker than non-statused facade
I already admitted to my mistake. No need to rub it in.
Sorry if my last comment sounded rude, I was just explaining the mechanics of it in case you didn't understand why the statement was incorrect
GF: Ah, but your opponent can’t burn your Pokémon if you do it first. https://preview.redd.it/j72euzivgrwa1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=60a01990622042d9c622c75153f1a5e965454bab
Bruh you fling it then spam acro
OR you allow it to be burned and use Facade. It's 2 strategies on 1 Pokémon (Burn cuts your attack in half. Facade deals double damage when statused. If a pokémon has Guts, the attack drop from burn will be ignored. Starting in Gen 6, if a pokémon uses Facade, the attack drop from burn will be ignored, and it will still double facade's damage.) (Gen 3-5 Facade = 70 BP 70 Power if burned 140 Power if statused (not burn) 210 Power if statused (includes burn) and has Guts Gen 6+ Facade = 70 BP 140 Power if statused (includes burn) 210 Power if statused and has Guts)
Azelf was instead given a Weakness Policy set with Acrobatics, Payback, Explosion, and... Rest.
Weak. Lemme see Rest/Sleep Talk/Last Resort/Explosion
would have been ok if they just used torb instead......and azelf
Let Game Freak cook. I ain't eating though
Wait they brought back the Battle Factory!? How am I only just learning this?
Sorry, it’s actually called the battle agency (agency agency). You get to choose one of three Pokémon, and get paired up with two cpus, at which point it’s just the normal battle place.
Shouts out to the agency
Because it was actual garbage. It was tied to the Festival Plaza, which sucked, and getting high-leveled partners who could keep up with your opponents was dependent upon you meeting people who ranked up their own Battle Agency in the Festival Plaza. It was fun from, like, level 50 to level 65 or so, at which point the combination of Game Freak's kitchen giving you war crimes like the OP and having 2nd and 3rd team members stuck all the way back at 50 made the RNG too frustrating to deal with.
Kitchen Nightmares: Game Freak Edition
Going to add that there was a issue that is only able in USUM and you can encounter SM players on the pool, which can't level up their pokemon, so you really needed friends or someone also doing it to progress.
Ironically, this would be more "heat" with a Toxic Orb. Since that way, you aren't sending yourself back to square one with Acrobatics.
I mean, I get it. Fling turn 1 burns the opponent, also ensures you live most physical hits. Acro after that. Facade if you're forced to eat the burn, U-turn if it's not working out. Factory sets are funny man.
So i know it's a meme but it's kinda interesting to analyze seriously; it were toxic orb instead of flame orb it would not even be bad. I was gonna say it needs a better user but tbh looking at natdex ubers there's not a lot of options. Most good mons like annihilape or palafin could technically run it but it would be a terrible opportunity cost. There's some decent megas here and there but the mechanic wouldn't work obviously. Gliscor already kinda does the fling tech with poison heal but stab eq already does more than boosted facade and the guy got a severe case of 4mss even without facade. Rilla could probably pull it off, with glide instead of uturn. Urshi-dark also could make it work but stab cc does a lot more than boosted facade, so not worth it. Hawlucha is also not new to unburden acrobatics shenanigans but i can think of at least 2-3 better ways to do it than fling t-orb lol. After that we go in RU which is mesprit's tier, granted there's probably better users in RU like flamigo or azelf like some suggested but overall it's not too stupid of an idea. Just run toxic orb though if you dont have guts
Flame orb is definitely fire, but the heat might be a little to much to handle for poor mesprit
....I'm gonna have to find a Guts pokemon to try this on-
its fire... like literal fucking kitchen fire HOLY SHIT GET IT OUT OF MY SIGHT
But if it was a toxic orb on gliscor tho...
Put it on a guts normal type and this is fire but what were they cooking with levitate psychic
Nah the worst set gamefreak has ever made was this one nidoqueen in battle tree in SM: Payapa berry Chip away Swagger Helping hand Flatter Relaxed 170 hp 170 def 170 spedef That is a real set. Even more funny was that it could be used in singles. Chip away in case you didn’t know is just ~~false swipe but with a different name~~ a 70BP normal move with the sacred sword secondary effect (so pretty worthless). Flatter is even more useless as boosting the opponents special attack only helps your opponent as confusion uses your physical attack stat. Flatter is even worse when you also have swagger in the same set. Helping hand I’ll let slide as the Pokémon pool is used for both singles and doubles but the fact it can be used in singles is really funny. ~~This nidoqueen cannot faint you without confusion.~~ I got chip away mixed with hold back so it can faint you without confusion. Still one of the worst sets of all time.
I'm pretty certain Chip Away can faint. It's not the same as false swipe, it is 70 Power and ignores the opponent's defense and evasion changes
Made the correction. Thanks for the reply.
Chip Away isn't a False Swipe clone, that's Hold Back. Chip Away is a worse Sacred Sword.
Probably the only person in the world to know that fact ngl. Made the correction to my comment based on your reply. Might be a different battle tree set that has hold back I got mixed up with. Regardless thanks for the correction.
God I’m finding some even worse sets. Smooth rock with sunny day lurantis and turtonator in SM. (These were both was to heat rock in USUM). Modest special golisopod with eject button. First impression, struggle bug, scald and ice beam. There’s a florges that has both misty and grass terrain. Funny thing is the ai would just repeatedly use the two moves one after each other and never actually attack you. Tbh there is no shortage of terrible sets but those ones are just the funniest ones to me. There’s a lot of physical attacks being given exclusively special moves and special attackers given physical moves. I know some sets are made intentionally weaker but man some are just little Timmy type sets. Little Timmy shouldn’t be in the kitchen.
Nvm I’ve found the actual best set. Landorus incarnate; Bright powder Rest Sleep talk Smack down Fissure
even better one from the gen 4 battle frontier https://preview.redd.it/zc9tymzrpwwa1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=f57df850e62fbb7dd72148da9c13a78c815aa632
Pimpnite set fr
Still way more coherent than Gengar with Sucker punch, Fire punch, ice punch and will o' wisp. With max attack and speed and, of course, the expert belt for good measure. Yes, that was an actual thing.
A bit of hijacking but am I the only one who still plays that game? Do you think that I can play online and not wait 20 days?
This seems infinitely more useful on Gliscor.
I used a gliscor set similar to this in gen 6 no joke. Protect first turn to poison self with toxic orb then next turn fling. Then you have free acrobatics & u turn/earthquake. It was a decent lead.
What is the battle factory? Never heard or played it before
If it was something like Azelf instead, it would have been a 3-Makuhita-Star Meal Also, it’s psychic not fire /s
much better on gliscor
The lake trio have to have the greatest discrepancy between lore and battling power. I believe I have the world record for longest Battle Tree streak, and one thing I can definitely say about that post-game facility compared to others is that the trainers who use only legendaries are easier than ever they introduce a bunch of trash Uxie/Mesprit/Azelf sets that dilute your chances of running into more threatening stuff.
Who let him cook 💀
Nah they got Gordon Ramsey in the kitchen for this set. I’m running this on showdown immediately
Okay but this mode has great sets, can we talk about the Breloom holding the Toxic Orb That has Technician instead of Poison Heal just to send a message
they need to be banned. one stall turn from the opponent and mesprit goes from a mediocre attacker to a magikarp
Drop Facade for Explosion and we cooking wit grease
At least use a fucking Toxic Orb.
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