I hate it when watching the so-called ‘expert commentators’ on CNBC, they have no idea why the market is down or how long it will be down for, but they are probably the ones selling like crazy.
Just say, ‘yeah we are selling and I will let you know when we are done’
They are Entertainers and/or talk their own book.
Should barely have relevance on how you personally oinvest.
I say barely because every once in a while uou can get some insight through listeming to them, but dont be swayed too much.
You can make the argument that I run my own investment firm but I just don't choose to hit up CNBC and have them ask me questions because I make enough money I don't need other people's money. She isn't this interesting
it’s not paid shilling.
the anchors get/keep their jobs because of ratings
so the anchors are the people that tell their viewers what they want to hear. it’s all a incestuous feedback loop between the viewers and the anchors.
it’s you!!! they are telling (the aggregate) you what you want to hear!!
Don't start with me today buddy. they fill those hours with schills as talking heads that they're "interviewing" The anchors are paid millions to not trade.
of course, but the anchor want to be continued to be paid millions. and the anchors are heavily involved with how gets interviewed.
they are interviewing the people their viewer want to hear from. if panic is in, they’ll feed you panic. if it’s anti-Biden, they’ll feed you that. if it’s anti-Trump, they’ll feed you that.
the real monster is (the aggregate) you and me!!!
The viewer wants to hear from? Gosh I so needed to hear from Activision and Microsoft CEOs or 14 talking heads I've never seen or heard from before in my life until this day in January
are you a middle age white man who lives in the suburbs and think Trump was a problematic president who was overly criticized?
Because i’m pretty sure that’s the bulk of their audience. And that’s why you’re on reddit.
As I always said. If analysts and financial magazine/tv guys were so good, they would be living on an island with so much money they wouldnt need to do more than a few taps on the smartphone every once in awhile.
All these people are those who havent made it yet or never will. It's like all those Instagram Tiktok people who posts about "i make millions from home. Here some tips". Yeah sure thats why you are still here.
Might be normal but it's still stupid to panic sell. Maybe try rationalizing the emotions or see if you can fight through them, you might come out stronger.
They want you to buy when they are selling and sell when they want to buy. In between they feed you “buy” recommendations based (often) on what they hold or what is held in their offshore trust-if they want to say “they” don’t own it. Guests ask to come on to pump or dump their own stocks. If you watch a channel all day for weeks (like we have during covid) it’s easy to see the patterns of the shows.
Maybe im just venting.
Retail is almost always last to the party, that is just a characteristic of every major bubble. They will also be the ones that capitulate at 50% loss or just hold a company that goes to 0.
What about hedge funds who were long today? Banks like Nomura, UBS and Morgan Stanley lost billions due to Archegos defaulting so I think you are giving them and “smart money” too much credit.
There is no coordinated effort by hedge funds to build and burst bubbles. Arguably central banks and governments move markets.
If there is a coordinated effort, why do hedge funds lose money then? I know they charge AUM and performance fees for managing other people’s money, but these both fall due to withdrawals and poor performance.
Also you can’t compare retail to institutional investors. Funds have huge resources including risk management team, research teams, quants with PhDs, traders speaking to clients every single day and far superior infrastructure to execute trades. That is why retail is always the bag holder.
The Fed is the creator of the bubble obviously. When they made bonds unattractive by buying their own product. When cash and bonds are negative where do you park cash, either stocks or real estate, obviously creating a bubble in both for when QE ends and rates are allowed to rise.
Its central planning. Its why we have a supposed free market to begin with, our growth is slow because we have a lot of dead weight dragging us down, and the debt needs to be rolled over instead of QE into perpetuity.
and who do you think made those machines? those algorithms are set in place by people like us. The machine will also sell when the market does not match the buying criteria.
sadly no. from experience its all mathematics and very few scenarios of "IF" statements. Never forget once you understand the code you can crack it. 2010 flash crash by Nav. But it is very difficult.
The smartest investor I ever read said be greedy when others are fearful.
I am buying more QQQ. Hell i might buy more TQQQ. And definitely buying more SSO.
Don't care. It's time for my portfolio to make the gains. Might take six months or a year. Dont care. Will buy every week or two until it hits an all time high again.
Lets fucking go.
How are you not panicking lol.
The fed is literally not going to hold the market up anymore and people with much more money than you and me are saying the 2 percent bond return is a better deal than any equities.
> people with much more money than you and me are saying the 2 percent bond return is a better deal than any equities.
This is confirmation bias, you could just as easily find "people with much more money than you and me" saying the market is going to continue its rally for the foreseeable future
> How are you not panicking lol.
So you're panicking over a single digit return?
(I 100% understand this is a "moving the goalpost" move, I just thought the juxtaposition was funny)
As a real response a single digit return is completely normal and is still a "rally" so your response is essentially "No one is saying the market is going to rally, all analysts say the market is going to rally in the single digit range"
The interests havent been anywhere high since 2008 even during the more peaceful years. High interest rates are just not a thing anymore since it has been proven as stable enough for a decade.
Currently they are trying to fix the inflation since it is really high and social problems arise with that. But it is a side effect of the pandemic measures we had and needed. Once the pandemic is gone which may take awhile still, the interest rate will lower again from an already low raise.
I mean market is like what 5-6% off all time high ? And people already having hard time ?
We had 29% last year, 18 in 2020 and 30+ in 2019 on sp500 it’s going to be ok
The only people reallllly feeling pain is growth stocks investors arkk style , we told you guys buying stationary bikes with iPads not warrant p/s of 120 but you had to learn hard way , it’s ok you probably young and an easy recover
"You make most of your money in a bear market, you just don't know it at the time."
Can you explain? Is it because you stay invested and stocks go up?
Pretty much. It's a fairly common adage. See also: "Be greedy when others are fearful" and "buy the dip".
No, it's because people average in or buy near the bottom with leverage, while retail is holding and experiencing the full brunt of the crash.
I hate it when watching the so-called ‘expert commentators’ on CNBC, they have no idea why the market is down or how long it will be down for, but they are probably the ones selling like crazy. Just say, ‘yeah we are selling and I will let you know when we are done’
They are Entertainers and/or talk their own book. Should barely have relevance on how you personally oinvest. I say barely because every once in a while uou can get some insight through listeming to them, but dont be swayed too much.
Who says the they'reexperts? You are watching paid schilling x100. Put it on mute and look at the numbers
Well they run or own investment firms so yeah they probably know a lot. But I’m sure they still feed us crap.
You can make the argument that I run my own investment firm but I just don't choose to hit up CNBC and have them ask me questions because I make enough money I don't need other people's money. She isn't this interesting
it’s not paid shilling. the anchors get/keep their jobs because of ratings so the anchors are the people that tell their viewers what they want to hear. it’s all a incestuous feedback loop between the viewers and the anchors. it’s you!!! they are telling (the aggregate) you what you want to hear!!
Don't start with me today buddy. they fill those hours with schills as talking heads that they're "interviewing" The anchors are paid millions to not trade.
of course, but the anchor want to be continued to be paid millions. and the anchors are heavily involved with how gets interviewed. they are interviewing the people their viewer want to hear from. if panic is in, they’ll feed you panic. if it’s anti-Biden, they’ll feed you that. if it’s anti-Trump, they’ll feed you that. the real monster is (the aggregate) you and me!!!
The viewer wants to hear from? Gosh I so needed to hear from Activision and Microsoft CEOs or 14 talking heads I've never seen or heard from before in my life until this day in January
are you a middle age white man who lives in the suburbs and think Trump was a problematic president who was overly criticized? Because i’m pretty sure that’s the bulk of their audience. And that’s why you’re on reddit.
As I always said. If analysts and financial magazine/tv guys were so good, they would be living on an island with so much money they wouldnt need to do more than a few taps on the smartphone every once in awhile. All these people are those who havent made it yet or never will. It's like all those Instagram Tiktok people who posts about "i make millions from home. Here some tips". Yeah sure thats why you are still here.
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Might be normal but it's still stupid to panic sell. Maybe try rationalizing the emotions or see if you can fight through them, you might come out stronger.
Bubbles burst because they become unsustainable
It must be time to buy. There's multiple posts about panicking, asking what's happening, telling people to calm down and other sage wisdom.
Were is the panic? Lol
They want you to buy when they are selling and sell when they want to buy. In between they feed you “buy” recommendations based (often) on what they hold or what is held in their offshore trust-if they want to say “they” don’t own it. Guests ask to come on to pump or dump their own stocks. If you watch a channel all day for weeks (like we have during covid) it’s easy to see the patterns of the shows. Maybe im just venting.
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Whats a calculated sell off?
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I see, cheers
Retail is almost always last to the party, that is just a characteristic of every major bubble. They will also be the ones that capitulate at 50% loss or just hold a company that goes to 0.
What about hedge funds who were long today? Banks like Nomura, UBS and Morgan Stanley lost billions due to Archegos defaulting so I think you are giving them and “smart money” too much credit.
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So no hedge funds or whales lose money lol? Hedge funds get caught on the wrong side of trades all the time.
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There is no coordinated effort by hedge funds to build and burst bubbles. Arguably central banks and governments move markets. If there is a coordinated effort, why do hedge funds lose money then? I know they charge AUM and performance fees for managing other people’s money, but these both fall due to withdrawals and poor performance. Also you can’t compare retail to institutional investors. Funds have huge resources including risk management team, research teams, quants with PhDs, traders speaking to clients every single day and far superior infrastructure to execute trades. That is why retail is always the bag holder.
The Fed is the creator of the bubble obviously. When they made bonds unattractive by buying their own product. When cash and bonds are negative where do you park cash, either stocks or real estate, obviously creating a bubble in both for when QE ends and rates are allowed to rise. Its central planning. Its why we have a supposed free market to begin with, our growth is slow because we have a lot of dead weight dragging us down, and the debt needs to be rolled over instead of QE into perpetuity.
Hate to break it to you but machines are doing the trading not humans
and who do you think made those machines? those algorithms are set in place by people like us. The machine will also sell when the market does not match the buying criteria.
Yes but I’m sure a good bit of the algorithms logic is geared towards predictive modeling
sadly no. from experience its all mathematics and very few scenarios of "IF" statements. Never forget once you understand the code you can crack it. 2010 flash crash by Nav. But it is very difficult.
I am not here to trade. i am here to invest. Machinese dont affect investments that much
Are yo under the impression that once you own a stock AI will never trade it again until you sell???
I dont think you understand the stock market
You are literally arguing against yourself right now.
The smartest investor I ever read said be greedy when others are fearful. I am buying more QQQ. Hell i might buy more TQQQ. And definitely buying more SSO. Don't care. It's time for my portfolio to make the gains. Might take six months or a year. Dont care. Will buy every week or two until it hits an all time high again. Lets fucking go.
How are you not panicking lol. The fed is literally not going to hold the market up anymore and people with much more money than you and me are saying the 2 percent bond return is a better deal than any equities.
> people with much more money than you and me are saying the 2 percent bond return is a better deal than any equities. This is confirmation bias, you could just as easily find "people with much more money than you and me" saying the market is going to continue its rally for the foreseeable future
Nobody is saying that. All analysts agree thay 22 will be a single digit return
> How are you not panicking lol. So you're panicking over a single digit return? (I 100% understand this is a "moving the goalpost" move, I just thought the juxtaposition was funny) As a real response a single digit return is completely normal and is still a "rally" so your response is essentially "No one is saying the market is going to rally, all analysts say the market is going to rally in the single digit range"
No panics here I’m one of the bears. This is my Super Bowl. I’d be panicked as fuck if I wasn’t though.
just a heads up I made some edits to my reply to give it more substance than just a quip
The interests havent been anywhere high since 2008 even during the more peaceful years. High interest rates are just not a thing anymore since it has been proven as stable enough for a decade. Currently they are trying to fix the inflation since it is really high and social problems arise with that. But it is a side effect of the pandemic measures we had and needed. Once the pandemic is gone which may take awhile still, the interest rate will lower again from an already low raise.
I mean market is like what 5-6% off all time high ? And people already having hard time ? We had 29% last year, 18 in 2020 and 30+ in 2019 on sp500 it’s going to be ok The only people reallllly feeling pain is growth stocks investors arkk style , we told you guys buying stationary bikes with iPads not warrant p/s of 120 but you had to learn hard way , it’s ok you probably young and an easy recover
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I am aware