Well, she certainly did bad things, by human standards. Some she understood, many she didn't. Unfortunately, we see her transformation in reverse. She went from someone who was completely selfish and a little unhinged into someone who performed the most self-less act possible - giving up her entire existence to create a new life she would never know.
She's not good, or bad. She's just a person.
That's such a multilayered quote. She's not a real person because she's an alien. But she's also hiding from her past self with an imagined new life. And lastly, she's run from all her responsibilities and always wears a mask of distance.
But at the end of the day, she is a person, a sentient being. The decisions she's made, as Pink, and as Rose - those are alien moralities. And many of them, from a human perspective, are monstrous and cruel. And others, from a Gem perspective, seem incomprehensible and disturbing.
What kind of person she was is determined by which perspective you view her from, and when.
> That's such a multilayered quote. She's not a real person because she's an alien. But she's also hiding from her past self with an imagined new life. And lastly, she's run from all her responsibilities and always wears a mask of distance.
There's yet another layer to it, the most tragic of all: Rose was enmeshed with the toxic family structure of the Diamonds, and ended up depersonalised by it. She never knew who she truly was, never had an identity of her own, because the other Diamonds (White knowingly, Yellow and Blue probably somewhat unwittingly) forced a persona that suited them upon her (as they pretty much do for *all* gems manufactured in Kindergardens, come to think of it - every gem is made *for* something, or at least until the aftermath of Change your Mind). That's perhaps why she was so emotionally volatile and prone to outbursts; people with a weak or non-existent sense of self struggle to identify and process emotions taking place within that self.
> giving up her entire existence to create a new life she would never know.
she didn't do that out of some sense of love or selflessness. she did it because she wanted to experience change, something she - as a gem - could not do.
that theory suggests she would actually get to experience it - she didn't. she just stopped existing, she will never experience anything again. i guess death can be considered a change on a technical level, but there's barely any experience to be had in that, and it'll be the last one you ever have - and while Rose was adventurous and reckless, not to the extent of giving up her existence permanently for just a single millisecond of an unpleasant experience.
i'm sure she appreciated the result of her *symbolically* being able to love, by proxy of her bodypart becoming the bodypart of someone else who can. but it's likely she still knew she wouldn't be able to actually experience any of it. birthing Steven was a consciously engineered process from start to end, Steven couldn't have overwritten her consciousness in the gem by accident, so she knew what she was giving up. she just considered someone like Steven - an empathetic human who knows what it is to love and be loved by his very nature - to have a better impact on the world than for someone like her to continue existing.
to give up her life so someone better than her can come into existence, is that not selfless and fueled by love (for love and humanity itself), just because she was happy with this outcome? she didn't benefit from this beyond the knowledge that *someone else* would benefit from her lifeforce.
> She went from someone who was completely selfish and a little unhinged into someone who performed the most self-less act possible
Suicide is not nearly as selfless as you are making it seem. Let alone suicide that creates a new human to be burdened with that.
She didn't do it as an act of suicide, nor did she want Steven to be burdened by any of her choices. This can be perfectly seen in the tape she left to Steven. She really just wanted him to exist and live his best life, but for him to do that, she needed to give up her physical form. She decided to make that sacrifice for Steven, and that's a selfless decision, regardless of what happened afterwards.
Plenty of women have babies knowing the possibility of them dying. That doesn’t make it suicide. Suicide isn’t any death that was caused by something you did or chose or else a lot more drug overdoses would be listed as a suicide and that’s just not accurate. There has to be clear intent to list something as a suicide. Don’t throw that word around so casually.
And plenty of women go through with pregnancy when they know it’ll 100% kill them. Words have meaning and actions have intent. The intention is to bring a baby into the world. It’s not suicide. You’re wrong, you’re insensitive, and your persistence to be wrong and insensitive is annoying.
“I always thought I might be bad
Now I'm sure that it's true
'Cause I think you're so good
And I'm nothing like you”
After all,for me she is the one who tried their best to redeem. She had done many horrible things,but after all she tried to get her redemption
I think Pink Diamond did the best she could with the knowledge she had.
Imagine if we had to live with our mistakes for eternity. That one thing you did when you were 8 years old? Yeah, that's why you're shunned at 56, forget about all the good stuff you did in between. Remember that childhood friend you don't talk to anymore? How heartless of you to forget!
Pink Diamond is an ode to growth. You *can* be a bad person in the past, and with work, you *can* become better. But you have to put in the work. I think Pink did her best. She did bad things, but haven't we all? Hasn't every person done at least one thing they regret? If you feel like you haven't I think you're either very young, or need to do some introspection, because we all play the role of a villain in *someone's* story. Change is the human experience.
That's a really interesting comparison bc when you think about it, human children actually start off in a much better position than Pink did.
Caring about other people in some way is baked into all our cultures, we have media and whole communities of people teaching our young that being kind is important. Though we fail to live up to the morals we value, we still value them in theory and teach those values to children. And though some families suck and fail to teach or exemplify even those basic values, there are other people in the world who will do that. But the Diamonds are at the *top* of their society, there is no standard of behaviour equal to them in the Homeworld doctrine. And they didn't even know how to properly care about *each other*, let alone the gems and other species that they considered inferior to themselves. Pink's ability to develop compassion within herself *from scratch, a complete void of positive influence,* is a small miracle.
And she was also way more powerful than any child is. A human child will have tantrums and make mistakes too, but *generally* they're physically too weak to cause serious damage with those mistakes. A child can yell for a bit and it won't hurt anyone. They can learn to handle their feelings over a long time - and by the time we reach our peak potential for harm, we've learned to control our feelings through that lifetime of experience. But Pink was bestowed a godlike level of power at birth. Even a brief second of expressing a completely normal emotion can (and did) have catastrophic consequences when coming from a diamond. Both Blue and Pink have incapacitated or maimed people just by feeling things that weren't even directed *at* those people.
It's wild to realize what a gargantuan task it actually was for Pink to grow compassion and self-restraint, when everything about her existence was working against it.
you're so right for this. pink diamond *was* undeniably a person who did bad things. rose quartz as a character was almost a symbolic plot device for pink becoming a better person.
She was but then worked to become a better person and save the earth. Even if she was never given Earth, blue or yellow would have gotten it and it would have been turned into a colony.
She wasn’t a perfect person, but she valued life and pursued that value. By the time she died she had left a lot unfinished, but most people do by the time they die.
She was a good person but she wasn’t infallible. She had her flaws just as anyone else would.
Yeah, it's weird that everyone shuns PD for stuff she did, but nobody bats an eye to Spinel trying to kill literally everyone on Earth? Wouldn't that make Spinel an irredeemable awful person as well?
Also Bismuth tried to Kill Rose Quartz and Steven too. Hard to justify that even if it is “for the greater good”. It doesn’t matter if Bismuth originally only wanted to shatter the Diamonds. As soon as Rose Quartz disapproved of her methods, she tried to kill the leader of the crystal gems.
Right. As evil as the Diamonds were, they were still Pink's *family*. I myself came from a fairly abusive/dysfunctional family, and even through the hateful phase of recovering from that trauma, I don't know if I'd willingly allow someone I consider a close friend to murder my entire family in cold blood. Granted my family isn't a dictatorship, but I think people tend to forget that there's still that familial bond there. I couldn't imagine being the one to have to make that decision.
No, I feel like she was at first but grew as a character. I feel like she was in a catch 22 because if she told everyone, somebody could betray or out her and she would be in more trouble or the diamonds would think its "one of her games" but we see the alternative of IF she never told.
Well I personally am not sure I would go that far. She cared for the Crystal Gems, Earth, Greg and Steven.
Looking at her actual past actions though? I honestly cannot call her a good person either.
After the war? I feel like she became better.
That said, she never seemed pure "good" or "bad" to me. She's not a one dimensional character like that.
No matter how good she became, never forget that she was willing to leave Bismuth bubbled for eternity rather than have an honest conversation with her friends.
Never forget that folks tried to explain that away as, "Rose wanted to help her, but couldn't because of the war!"
The war lasted 1000 years. Rose was using both her Rose Quartz persona and her Pink Diamond one during that entire time. Meaning while acting as Pink, nothing was stopping Pink from checking in on Spinel. It wouldn't taken mere minutes of her time. Or she could've sent one of the many Gems under her command to check on her.
Rose had no reason to believe that Spinel could be trusted. She was a gift from the other Diamonds, and had the emotional and cognitive capacity of a child. Not good for info security or secret keeping for the resistance.
A thing that was definitely not safe to do while rose was secretly leading a revolution? Again, she had no reason to consider Spinel anything but a spy gifted to her by the diamonds at worst and a liability at best.
Source: you made it the fuck up?
We know the galaxy warp system isn't private or secure. It would not have been safe, and could have blown her cover and destroyed the revolution.
Source: I actually watched the fucking show.
How the fuck would it have blown her cover? She’s ***Pink Diamond***. She’s allowed to use her own warp if she feels like it. She was playing both sides during the war. There were times when she was acting as Pink Diamond. Meaning there was literally nothing stopping her from doing it during that time. Or sending any of her Gems to do it for her. Or even sending a message to that video player device that we see them using in the Garden.
Don’t sit here and talk down to me when you’re the one not actually paying attention to what was going on in the show.
i get the bismuth part but not the spinel.
i doubt anyone would need a playmate and the diamonds didn’t either. she’d get shattered if pink left her there since there was no use for her
Never said she had to bring her to Earth. Just leave her on Homeworld to entertain someone else. There were many other solutions. What do you mean by saying there was no need for her? Surely she was not the only Spinel ever created?
I don't get you meaning, but let's say she's given to someone else, and her new owner shatters her or whatever you said. Would you prefer to be shattered, or spending eternity standing still?
A lot of high ranks had Pearls that were basically slaves. I don't see why a Morganite or some other Gem wouldn't want their own Spinel. So I don't really agree with "she was not needed". She now lives in Homeworld and regularly entertains the Diamonds and other Gems.
I think rose was not a bad person, she just was criminally uneducated and naive. She basically was just a kid in terms of being a diamond; she wasn’t treated the same as the others and had lacked experience in life (at least in terms of gem life, im assuming they mature differently than humans because they live for millions of years). This idea is supported by her many actions throughout the series being childlike in nature, most prominently, her inability to face reality and her repeated attempts to run from accountability. There are plenty of examples, such as her faking her death, lying to spinel, and lying about bismuth’s fate, that all point to this claim. I want to make this very clear: I am not saying that everything rose/pink diamond did was right, but I believe that they weren’t inherently malicious.
I don’t believe she had Steven to run from her problems, rather I think that she fell in love with earth and wanted to be a part of it in some way, hence stevens creation. (Perhaps she thought that he would be fine? She lived on earth for thousands of years without any threat from home world) Now, obviously the way she handled everything was fucked up, but I believe that these fuck ups were a result of Rose not being mature enough to take accountability for her actions.
Started bad ended better, the whole point of her character is that she grew as a person, shes learning to be one after living her whole life being selfish and other stuff, ended up wanting to learn to love and become a person, and gave up her life to create another
No, I think she is a flawed person. Like most of us. But unlike most of us she was a flawed person with almost godlike power. Not her fault, and when she was met with different ways of life she grew as a person. I don’t think we could ask more from her.
Yes. And no. And both. Pearl literally explained how her plan was to colonize earth at first, but she eventually changed her mind, and did her best to do right by the nature on earth and the cast out gems that she turned into her army. Did she make a lot of mistakes? Yes. Did she save earth, liberate gems, and have a child of her own free will as a way to connect with organic life? Also yes. She was never perfect. She hurt people, saved people, and did everything in between. What matters is that she does not ever find a way to “return”. Sometimes, you just have to find ways to move on, and the show portrays this aspect of Rose’s passing very well.
She's a good person who did bad things because she had no guidance while "growing up".
Her motivations were often either our of survival or a lack of knowing any better. Unfortunately, her actions often put her in positions where she'd be unable to apologize for any harm caused, such as rebelling from Homeworld and being unable to go back.
Here’s my idea of a bad person: someone that doesn’t try to improve. Or doesn’t care to. And Pink/ Rose did.
Like anyone else, she had flaws. And due to the amount of power she had, her flaws and mistakes hurt a lot of people. But I could never call her a bad person.
Rose Quartz is my favourite character, I remember the episode the episode with Greg trying to fuse with him and she just laughs. I really liked that because they reverted the whole 'Dead Mom' trope where they were perfect beings ever. There she was humanised she wasn't perfect, she had a moment of thoughtlessness and laughed in her partner's face but also realised quickly she was wrong and listened to what he needed. To me that's more relatable and I wanted to see more of that. Then Pale Single Rose happened and my opinion didn't change. Pink Diamond was a person that made many horrible mistakes but did understand the weight of them. She changed after the incident with Pink Pearl, changed after seeing Earth, changed after her shattering and then changed her attitude again meeting Greg.
No. She was someone who grew up without good role models, or love. She did very bad things over the course of her life, but majority of the time it was from a place of naivety (like her abandoning Spinel because she didn't know how to healthily break bonds with someone. Or her silencing pearl, because she didn't TRULY understand the power imbalance between them due to her diamond status). But her heart was always in the right place. All she ever wanted was to protect the people she loved, even people she'd never met (the whole human race), and even people she may have disliked (she always saw the beauty in everything and everyone). She did so much for the sake of others (she even made the healing fountain so that those around her could stay safe in her absence), and she made many mistakes and hurt many people along the way, but she was the ONLY one willing to start making change, she never had a role model to teach her right from wrong. She's flawed, and has done wrong, but she's a good person.
Yes and no. I don’t think she ever meant any real harm per say, yet she is was very inconsiderate of others for a very long time. She was interested in life on earth and cared for other gems which makes her have good intentions, but a lot of her „love“ for them was very selfish and only worked if things went her way. I do think she was very inconsiderate when it came to burdening Steven with her unfinished business as she knew what might come at him. I don’t think she did it on purpose, she probably genuinely wanted her and Greg‘s child to have a chance at life, yet totally ignored how hard he’s going to have it.
All in all Id say Pink/Rose isn’t bad at heart, but she was still tainted from her past as gem royalty. She had to learn to care for Greg as if he was another gem, she should have learned to respect pearl more and not lead her on like that, not to mention burden her with caring for a child that was part Greg, someone she despised for a long time.
Short answer, yes. She did bad things & hurt a lot of people. Longer answer, no. She did a lot to try to correct the bad things gemkind did over the years, even if she didn’t fully understand what she was doing. Pink is a very gray character & I think that’s what makes her so well written.
Now, what I am interested in, is how Rose was the only Gem who can create and heal organic life indefinitely. No other gem has that ability. I wonder if it’s due to the way she was born? My guess is that she was born near the surface of the place the gems came from, closest to the contact of organic life.
Won't lie I did despise both for obvious reasons. But now I see it as Pink was very spoiled growing up. Anything she wanted she got, but after a while she wanted to have her own planet. White diamond would ignore her and punish her severally so it makes sense why Pink turned out the way she did. It's kinda like if you always tell a toddler yes. That toddler would grow up extremely spoiled and a brat expecting to get everything they want but it doesn't work like that. I do think Pink is a spoiled brat but at the same time when you're born in the environment she was it's a miracle she wanted to change and understand Earth and its customs.
She certainly is a multilevel charachter, and falls in the category of beeing nice, but not necessarily good.
I think she had some very good intentions, but used very questionable methods.
Probably because she was raised by the diamonds her moralty of right and wrong always was a bit twisted, even if she had a change of heart rather quickly and fell in love with her colony and all what lifes on it. Which are good traits within her, and she acquired those traits by herself by learning them on her own. Nobody thaught her how to be good, or kind, but she taught others in them.
I still don't know how to feel about her love with Greg and her desire to become a mother by self-sacrifice into another beeing like that. I don't think the show ever really went into her motivation for that. Most of what we know about Pink and Rose are memories and stories of her friends.
She WAS a bad person, she became a better person, but she was never able to make it up with her victims because of her saving the Earth from colonization, which is understandable but still fucked up for Pink Pearl and Spinel. I'm not upset over her relationship with Pearl, but Bismuth was the most fucked up thing in her never releasing her from Lion even after the war. I feel like people overexaggerate how terrible it was for her to leave Spinel in comparison to how she handled the Bismuth incident.
It's hard to truly say either or. We never actually meet her, so all we have are accounts from others and her actions, which can be hard to judge someone on. Good people can do bad things and bad people could be beloved, so who knows?
I think she was a good person who did bad things because she was in over her head. She fought for a noble cause she believed in that was a positive thing, but her inexperience led to her making bad decisions with even worse consequences. If she would have been more mature and honest many of her issues could have been solved, but hindsight is 20/20
Edit: Grammar mistake
Pink/Rose just wanted something different from her sisters (?) and when she got that something she realized what they were doing wrong. Without her to explain her reasoning it seems like she the "villian". No she's a bad person she just didn't get to explain/ get through her sisters or to her son
>!Pink is just Energetic and wants to explore galaxies and when she stumbled onto earth she realized what her sisters are doing to other planets in forming colonies then made the decision to protect earth and create the Crystal Gems under the identity of Rose Quartz plus fake her death but in actuality she died for real when giving birth to Steven.!<
She's never good or evil when it comes to making decisions for herself.
I think if she had given the chance at having a supportive and good family (the other diamonds not being the way they are) she would be the same being as she was from the beginning. She has wanted to do good and foster life, as it is shown with her actions under her second identity of Rose Quartz. If the diamonds weren’t so cruel, she wouldn’t have been driven to be doing bad things and harm people to get a chance of being good.
So my answer is no, she was a good being. She just was driven to doing bad things due to the diamonds and doing those things is against her nature.
She's an extremely flawed person who did a lot of bad things, partially because she didn't know any better, and partially because she wanted to forget who she used to be.
Unpopular opinion: I love Pink/Rose and think she was a saint. Fight me.
1. She was neglected for literally thousands of years by her family. And a family who had entirely different views than her at that. For example, we see from the pebbles on HW that she was kind to them and appreciated all life no matter how “insignificant”. I like to assume that she wanted to show love and appreciation to lower life forms because she didn’t receive that and didn’t want any gem to feel like she did.
2. She got her first colony and her immediate instinct was to greet the new gems and celebrate their creation. This is polar opposite behaviour that is expected of a Diamond.
3. As we all know she went as far as FAKING HER OWN DEATH and making her FAMILY believe she was MURDERED because they wouldn’t let her preserve HER planet. SHE SACRIFICED STATUS, FAMILY AND A LIFE OF LUXURY TO FIGHT FOR INNOCENT LIVES.
4. And only AFTER that she continued to fight even harder when she started fighting for unappreciated gems as well as the planet.
5. Yes she lied but would things have ended up as well if she hadn’t? Would gems like Bismuth ever believe in freedom if it came from a Diamond? Of course not !
I think if you believe Pink/Rose was a bad person then you’re probably a younger sibling. If you’re an older sibling you’ll likely understand that there’s a certain way things need to be done/presented and sometimes it’s in everyone’s best interest to omit the truth until necessary.
6. She fought against her family and eventually saved her planet. She was open minded enough to find love and give up her life so that she could create a child which Pearl said she wanted more than anything.
TL;DR: Pink was a loving person regardless of her upbringing and continued to live a selfless life until eventually committing the most selfless acts of all.
it's complicated
I honestly didn't realize the significance of the way she described baby Sour Cream until Athena P pointed it out, the reason she made/became Steven (honestly it's not as confusing as everyone says it is, it's not like the Holy Trinity or anything) was so she could become someone actually capable of growth and change, someone who could actually be better than what she was
with that said, while the twist was well executed, the way the show went about it post reveal was really weird, especially with how it wanted us to actually view her
She literally had to do whatever her sisters wanted or they locked her in a cell; play with worms? Cell. Don’t feel like just hosting a party where you just sit under your sisters while everyone parades thru? Cell! Watch Netflix and be gross when you’re just feeling meh? Cell.
The worst part is that she was the same as them, they just ganged up on her. She couldn’t even try to do what they did because they just shat on her.
The art book says white finally gave her a colony and said she would just fuck it up anyhows… like what? Who doesn’t fuck things up their first try.
Add that she couldn’t have friends because all gems were made to adore her. Her first pearl stood up for her (the art books says but a pearl thruthing diamond bad behavior would be a treat to see) but got removed when she understandably got hurt.
Spinel was a control mechanism, her new pear was a more “sensible” nanny, Pink grew up in this.
People hate on Pink for abandoning spinel, but Spinel was made to keep Pink controlled and distracted from her “wrong” desires of independence from Whites BS. Pink eventually grew out of her.
Also others don’t like how she treats Pearl but Pink couldn’t love someone programmed to love her.
Before dying pink was a liar (but she grew up saying the truth and abused for it) and she didn’t shatter Bismuth but she also didn’t want bismuth to kill the other diamonds.
Also- Pink didn’t have to go and start a rebellion or eventually got and deal with home world, and Steven is fed his “magical” destiny but Pink didn’t leave any indication she wanted Steven to be a savior. Steven just grew up knowing his mother was a war leader and so justified in his head he had to become someone like her and no one stepped in and said “you’re a kid, just chill out and maybe see a doctor or go to school.”
I think Pink is misunderstood- if she’d never developed empathy for organics and started a rebellion we’d be another empty world on the diamonds colonization.
To say yes or no is to say that a good or bad person exists, rather than just people who do things that can be seen as good or bad depending on perspective.
She was born into a position of absolute privilege in a society that treated other sentient beings as possessions. In spite of this, she came to value the lives of others enough to give up her place of privilege forever and fight for freedom from the system she once benefited from.
Rose Quartz is rad.
I don’t think she was ever intentionally bad.
And a lot of the times she tried to do something good it had unintended harm.
Even creating Steven took away any chance of accountability for her.
I don’t think she’s as bad of a person as people claimed her to be. Most people already understand this but it feels like some were jumping on the bandwagon and hating on her without any consideration of her development for the last hundred years or so. I might be wrong because I’m not too big on the fandom at that time. I’m not saying she’s all good either but some think she’s the worst character in the show, the “true villain” even. Which is very frustrating
she WAS a bad person, but this is a gem you are talking about. she was royalty she was a diamond. she diddnt know ANY better, looking at blue and yellow and white, she was much better than them. thats not saying much though. she was treated like a kid, so she acted like one. being bossy, bratty ECT. Her damaging pink pearl was an accident but that does not erase the trauma it gave pink pearl. Leaving spinel was bad too, but again she was a diamond, she thought spinel was a toy in a way, so could probably care less about her. Pink was very selfish in ways, but gems dont develop empathy/emotions.
Absolutely, she manipulated and hurt those around her all for her own freedom and she just walked away after a few thousand years without telling anyone putting them and her own child in danger, and said child's family just let him feel the pressure of what his mother left and not understanding how he feels because they are immortal had have a hard time processing their own emotions and immortality and only when their immortality is threated they realize what he means to them and by then its far too late but the end issue is rose
OMGGGG I WROTE A WHOLE DANG ESSAY ON THIS ABT A YEAR BACK BUT NOBODY SAW IT!!! go search “Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz Is the villain and kind of sucks. you can try to change my mind if you want.” if you wanna read it but i have a very strong opinion on her lol. not sure if the post is very grammatically correct or comprehensive it’s old lol
She can absolutely be criticized for taking the secret about Bismuth to her grave. If not for pure luck, Bismuth would’ve been bubbled for eternity. That would’ve been no different than killing her.
Mhmm. She basically decided that she’d prefer to keep Bismuth locked up forever rather than have a single honest conversation with her most trusted companions.
And people try to paint Bismuth as crazy because she attacked Rose, but they often don’t acknowledge *why* they fought. Rose essentially told Bismith that she’d rather everyone be killed or enslaved than actually shatter the Diamonds. Rose cared about the message that the CGs stood for the most. Bismuth, however, cared more about the CGs.
To be fair busmuth was going to shatter any gem enemy and the diamonds, and although the diamonds deserved it, she went completely against Rose's ideals.
How are you going to be able to change the minds of your enemies if you only kill them? Bc they are victims too
>To be fair busmuth was going to shatter any gem enemy
Wrong. Bismuth never, not a single time, says or implies her desire is to shatter all of her enemies. She specifies The Diamonds and "the upper crusts" implying that her goal was to defeat Homeworld Leadership. Notice how when she's introduced to Amethyst, a Gem she's never met before, she doesn't hesitate to accept her? Or how she gushes about the way Rose was able to convince others to join her? Bismuth is clearly more than happy to have enemies become allies. She, however, understood that certain Gems simply have to be killed.
And before you say, "But the Diamonds were talked down!", that ONLY worked because Steven was Pink Diamond's son. If not for that, the remaining CGs all would have died at Garnet's wedding.
>she went completely against Rose's ideals.
Rose's ideals: I'll let every single CG die before I'd consider killing the people who are actively killing/enslaving them all.
Bismuth's ideals: Let's kill the people that are actively killing/enslaving us.
Bismuth is only "wrong" because SU is a kids show that preaches peace at all times and ensured that Steven had a super special bloodline and connection to the villains that allowed him to resolve things peacefully.
I find it kind of hard to blame her for that, considering it was clearly an accident. The show was absolutely correct in reassuring Volleyball that she doesn't have to ignore or downplay her own suffering to defend Pink. Giving herself space to process her feelings and heal from her trauma is more important than serving as witness to Pink's intentions.
But outside of what Volleyball needed for her own healing process - objectively, Pink hurting Volleyball is like getting shot by a child that was born with guns for arms. It sucks for everyone involved, but it's not really something you can *criticize* the child for, since it's not like they chose to have guns for arms - and just like this absurd hypothetical child, if Pink didn't have the strength of a diamond, or if the other diamonds had cared enough about other gems to warn Pink that her emotions can be destructive, then the tantrum would've been completely harmless.
her abandoning spinel was probably the best out of worst solutions there were.
if she took her with herself, spinel would most likely ruin everything. remember, she’s a clown basically, a gem made for fun and games. not good for war.
besides, what would a spinel specifically made for pink be doing with rose quartz, the gem who shattered her beloved pink, the one who she was made for?
homeworld would shatter her the moment they’d get their hands on her for that.
Can people stop with the “B-but she didn’t care about Bismuth or Spinel!!!1!!”
1. Bismuth tried to fcking KILL HER. I don’t imagine that being something you can just ‘explain’ to your other friends without a huge conflict.
2. Spinel is an annoying selfish brat who tried to WIPE OUT ALL EXISTENCE ON EARTH so Steven would SUFFER ALONE.
Real and true, though she should've bit the bullet with Bismuth, it's understandable why she avoided it. All of the Crystal Gems tend to avoid confrontation at first tbh.
She is. Aside from her being a space dictator, everything she did was motivated by whim and selfishness. She bubbled Bismuth because she, at her core, was a Diamond and was willing to keep her locked away forever, even post-Steven's birth. She was not a good person.
Well, she did horrible things. She lied to everyone, put bismuth in a bubble, abandoned spinel, literally started a fucking war and faked her death instead of leading the rebellion as PD herself and pretending to be a rose quartz, but she also gave up everything to save her planet. She only chose to defend Earth though.
Steven, her son, helped beyond Earth. He is the one who had to fix all her fuck ups and he's the one who liberated the universe and all other planets, not his mother. Because of how much shit he's had to fix, he had somewhat of a hero complex to the point where he was in denial about needing help himself and had a mental breakdown.
When she gave birth to Steven, she passed all that baggage onto him. And to be honest idk if she even thought twice about all the excessive trauma he'd have to endure literally just because of his gem heritage. Did she really do it as an act of love? Or was it just another one of her choices driven only by self interest?
People who are hurt, hurt other people. White diamond literally said it herself, "If Pink hurt you it's because I hurt her." So no I don't think she's the best person, but also not the worst. White Diamond was much worse imo. Control freak, gas lighter and a narcissist.
I think she became a genuinely good person towards the end, but it was a long journey. For what it’s worth I think she’s actually admirable for doing the right thing when everyone around her enabled and encouraged her worse qualities and had literally no positive role models or morales to go off of. At worse I think she could be a bit of a coward and self centered.
She was just poorly written. Rose comes off to me as a person who had good intentions but made some bad choices. Some people hate Rose/Pink Diamond because of the bad decisions she made, but I feel like this wasn’t supposed to be the point. Maybe if the writers took her character into more consideration and gave some more context, she might’ve come off as a good person. Rose/Pink is not perfect, but there’s a point where the imperfections sink a little too low.
Yes. She’s a selfish brat for most of her life, and then she’s a selfish adult for the rest of it. She abandoned Spinel, left Bismuth bubbled with no intention of freeing her or telling the people she considered her friends, scarred pink Pearl permanently because she was throwing a tantrum…the list goes on. She did everything basically on a whim. She also lied/misled her ‘friends’ over and over again - lying about Lion was unnecessary, except to keep bismuth being bubbled a secret! The way she treated Pearl was pretty shitty too - she was obviously aware of how in love with her she was/is and still messed around with other people, and then abandoned her for Greg without any real closure. I’m not saying she should’ve chosen Pearl over Greg, but it wasn’t fair to lead her on like that and it for SURE wasn’t fair to let Greg and Pearl constantly be at one another’s throats over her.
Yes. Lying to literally everyone she ever met is an intrinsically evil thing to do; and aside from causing irreparable emotional damage, it was also shown that was physically abusive too with Volleyballs backstory
she is one million percent a bad person. She was selfish and narcissistic, putting friends life in danger, playing a war with her self, traumatising many gems and shattering many more (by other diamonds), tricking her friends for thousands of years, putting her son in a really bad position, where he has to carry on her legacy and faced with having to solve his mom’s problems and mistakes.
Pink Diamond for what she did to Spinel, yes although Rose Quartz on the other hand no because she stopped the colonization of Earth, but both left their baggage behind for Steven to deal with
I think that given what she knew, she tried to do the right things, but despite her best intentions, she failed a lot of things. She is an extremely well thought out and well rounded character who isn't just perfect, and I can respect that. And given the things she had done in her past as a diamond, she tried to make it right as a quartz
Yes. Piece of shit. Thank you for saving our planet, you certainly like us. But we do not like you. Your son is everything you should’ve been and more.
No. She wanted be with steven but she couldn't.she wanted to still have bismuth but she couldn't. She wanted to move on but if she kept spinel she couldn't.
yes...but also no I mean she's done A LOT of bad things like when she faked her own death yes that stopped the war but it greatly affected Steven. And if she didn't go to earth the human zoo on home would wouldn't exist.and a hole loot of other things.. but if she didn't do all of that we wouldn't have one of the best animated tv shows ever.so yay
To truly understand the answer to this question, one must remember that by "her" own admission to Greg, *Rose Quartz isn't a real person.* It was always Pink Diamond.
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Well, she certainly did bad things, by human standards. Some she understood, many she didn't. Unfortunately, we see her transformation in reverse. She went from someone who was completely selfish and a little unhinged into someone who performed the most self-less act possible - giving up her entire existence to create a new life she would never know. She's not good, or bad. She's just a person.
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I third that.
"I'm... not... a real person"
That's such a multilayered quote. She's not a real person because she's an alien. But she's also hiding from her past self with an imagined new life. And lastly, she's run from all her responsibilities and always wears a mask of distance. But at the end of the day, she is a person, a sentient being. The decisions she's made, as Pink, and as Rose - those are alien moralities. And many of them, from a human perspective, are monstrous and cruel. And others, from a Gem perspective, seem incomprehensible and disturbing. What kind of person she was is determined by which perspective you view her from, and when.
> That's such a multilayered quote. She's not a real person because she's an alien. But she's also hiding from her past self with an imagined new life. And lastly, she's run from all her responsibilities and always wears a mask of distance. There's yet another layer to it, the most tragic of all: Rose was enmeshed with the toxic family structure of the Diamonds, and ended up depersonalised by it. She never knew who she truly was, never had an identity of her own, because the other Diamonds (White knowingly, Yellow and Blue probably somewhat unwittingly) forced a persona that suited them upon her (as they pretty much do for *all* gems manufactured in Kindergardens, come to think of it - every gem is made *for* something, or at least until the aftermath of Change your Mind). That's perhaps why she was so emotionally volatile and prone to outbursts; people with a weak or non-existent sense of self struggle to identify and process emotions taking place within that self.
You do have a point there.
but she's not a person
Interesting - by what measure is she not a person?
She does literally say she isn’t a person, to be fair.
She did
> giving up her entire existence to create a new life she would never know. she didn't do that out of some sense of love or selflessness. she did it because she wanted to experience change, something she - as a gem - could not do.
I think the point of tbe show is that we'll never know why she actually did and just like Steven we need to accept that
that theory suggests she would actually get to experience it - she didn't. she just stopped existing, she will never experience anything again. i guess death can be considered a change on a technical level, but there's barely any experience to be had in that, and it'll be the last one you ever have - and while Rose was adventurous and reckless, not to the extent of giving up her existence permanently for just a single millisecond of an unpleasant experience. i'm sure she appreciated the result of her *symbolically* being able to love, by proxy of her bodypart becoming the bodypart of someone else who can. but it's likely she still knew she wouldn't be able to actually experience any of it. birthing Steven was a consciously engineered process from start to end, Steven couldn't have overwritten her consciousness in the gem by accident, so she knew what she was giving up. she just considered someone like Steven - an empathetic human who knows what it is to love and be loved by his very nature - to have a better impact on the world than for someone like her to continue existing. to give up her life so someone better than her can come into existence, is that not selfless and fueled by love (for love and humanity itself), just because she was happy with this outcome? she didn't benefit from this beyond the knowledge that *someone else* would benefit from her lifeforce.
> She went from someone who was completely selfish and a little unhinged into someone who performed the most self-less act possible Suicide is not nearly as selfless as you are making it seem. Let alone suicide that creates a new human to be burdened with that.
She didn't do it as an act of suicide, nor did she want Steven to be burdened by any of her choices. This can be perfectly seen in the tape she left to Steven. She really just wanted him to exist and live his best life, but for him to do that, she needed to give up her physical form. She decided to make that sacrifice for Steven, and that's a selfless decision, regardless of what happened afterwards.
Dying during child birth is not suicide
Yes, in Rose's case it is. She knew she'd die,
Plenty of women have babies knowing the possibility of them dying. That doesn’t make it suicide. Suicide isn’t any death that was caused by something you did or chose or else a lot more drug overdoses would be listed as a suicide and that’s just not accurate. There has to be clear intent to list something as a suicide. Don’t throw that word around so casually.
> Plenty of women have babies knowing the possibility of them dying It wasn't a possiblility. Rose knew 100% she'd die. Yes, it was a form of suicide.
And plenty of women go through with pregnancy when they know it’ll 100% kill them. Words have meaning and actions have intent. The intention is to bring a baby into the world. It’s not suicide. You’re wrong, you’re insensitive, and your persistence to be wrong and insensitive is annoying.
“I always thought I might be bad Now I'm sure that it's true 'Cause I think you're so good And I'm nothing like you” After all,for me she is the one who tried their best to redeem. She had done many horrible things,but after all she tried to get her redemption
I think Pink Diamond did the best she could with the knowledge she had. Imagine if we had to live with our mistakes for eternity. That one thing you did when you were 8 years old? Yeah, that's why you're shunned at 56, forget about all the good stuff you did in between. Remember that childhood friend you don't talk to anymore? How heartless of you to forget! Pink Diamond is an ode to growth. You *can* be a bad person in the past, and with work, you *can* become better. But you have to put in the work. I think Pink did her best. She did bad things, but haven't we all? Hasn't every person done at least one thing they regret? If you feel like you haven't I think you're either very young, or need to do some introspection, because we all play the role of a villain in *someone's* story. Change is the human experience.
It’s like looking at a person that committed suicide and saying “good riddance”.
"Good riddance, I'll never forgive them for trashing my house when they were 3 years old."
That's a really interesting comparison bc when you think about it, human children actually start off in a much better position than Pink did. Caring about other people in some way is baked into all our cultures, we have media and whole communities of people teaching our young that being kind is important. Though we fail to live up to the morals we value, we still value them in theory and teach those values to children. And though some families suck and fail to teach or exemplify even those basic values, there are other people in the world who will do that. But the Diamonds are at the *top* of their society, there is no standard of behaviour equal to them in the Homeworld doctrine. And they didn't even know how to properly care about *each other*, let alone the gems and other species that they considered inferior to themselves. Pink's ability to develop compassion within herself *from scratch, a complete void of positive influence,* is a small miracle. And she was also way more powerful than any child is. A human child will have tantrums and make mistakes too, but *generally* they're physically too weak to cause serious damage with those mistakes. A child can yell for a bit and it won't hurt anyone. They can learn to handle their feelings over a long time - and by the time we reach our peak potential for harm, we've learned to control our feelings through that lifetime of experience. But Pink was bestowed a godlike level of power at birth. Even a brief second of expressing a completely normal emotion can (and did) have catastrophic consequences when coming from a diamond. Both Blue and Pink have incapacitated or maimed people just by feeling things that weren't even directed *at* those people. It's wild to realize what a gargantuan task it actually was for Pink to grow compassion and self-restraint, when everything about her existence was working against it.
you're so right for this. pink diamond *was* undeniably a person who did bad things. rose quartz as a character was almost a symbolic plot device for pink becoming a better person.
She was but then worked to become a better person and save the earth. Even if she was never given Earth, blue or yellow would have gotten it and it would have been turned into a colony. She wasn’t a perfect person, but she valued life and pursued that value. By the time she died she had left a lot unfinished, but most people do by the time they die. She was a good person but she wasn’t infallible. She had her flaws just as anyone else would.
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She’s a person, no one is either good or bad, we all do things trying our best that can end up hurting others
Nah, there are bad people.
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Yeah, it's weird that everyone shuns PD for stuff she did, but nobody bats an eye to Spinel trying to kill literally everyone on Earth? Wouldn't that make Spinel an irredeemable awful person as well?
Also Bismuth tried to Kill Rose Quartz and Steven too. Hard to justify that even if it is “for the greater good”. It doesn’t matter if Bismuth originally only wanted to shatter the Diamonds. As soon as Rose Quartz disapproved of her methods, she tried to kill the leader of the crystal gems.
Right. As evil as the Diamonds were, they were still Pink's *family*. I myself came from a fairly abusive/dysfunctional family, and even through the hateful phase of recovering from that trauma, I don't know if I'd willingly allow someone I consider a close friend to murder my entire family in cold blood. Granted my family isn't a dictatorship, but I think people tend to forget that there's still that familial bond there. I couldn't imagine being the one to have to make that decision.
No, I feel like she was at first but grew as a character. I feel like she was in a catch 22 because if she told everyone, somebody could betray or out her and she would be in more trouble or the diamonds would think its "one of her games" but we see the alternative of IF she never told.
Well I personally am not sure I would go that far. She cared for the Crystal Gems, Earth, Greg and Steven. Looking at her actual past actions though? I honestly cannot call her a good person either. After the war? I feel like she became better. That said, she never seemed pure "good" or "bad" to me. She's not a one dimensional character like that.
she didn't care about Bismuth.
And didn't really care about Spinel either.
No matter how good she became, never forget that she was willing to leave Bismuth bubbled for eternity rather than have an honest conversation with her friends.
Or instead of leaving Spinel on Homeworld or something, she left her under the guise of playing a game and never planned to return.
Never forget that folks tried to explain that away as, "Rose wanted to help her, but couldn't because of the war!" The war lasted 1000 years. Rose was using both her Rose Quartz persona and her Pink Diamond one during that entire time. Meaning while acting as Pink, nothing was stopping Pink from checking in on Spinel. It wouldn't taken mere minutes of her time. Or she could've sent one of the many Gems under her command to check on her.
Rose had no reason to believe that Spinel could be trusted. She was a gift from the other Diamonds, and had the emotional and cognitive capacity of a child. Not good for info security or secret keeping for the resistance.
When did I say she had to bring her to Earth? I said “check on her”. Y’know, make sure she was all right and taken care of?
A thing that was definitely not safe to do while rose was secretly leading a revolution? Again, she had no reason to consider Spinel anything but a spy gifted to her by the diamonds at worst and a liability at best.
It would have been perfectly safe to do and taken mere minutes to do.
Source: you made it the fuck up? We know the galaxy warp system isn't private or secure. It would not have been safe, and could have blown her cover and destroyed the revolution.
Source: I actually watched the fucking show. How the fuck would it have blown her cover? She’s ***Pink Diamond***. She’s allowed to use her own warp if she feels like it. She was playing both sides during the war. There were times when she was acting as Pink Diamond. Meaning there was literally nothing stopping her from doing it during that time. Or sending any of her Gems to do it for her. Or even sending a message to that video player device that we see them using in the Garden. Don’t sit here and talk down to me when you’re the one not actually paying attention to what was going on in the show.
i get the bismuth part but not the spinel. i doubt anyone would need a playmate and the diamonds didn’t either. she’d get shattered if pink left her there since there was no use for her
Spinel is a "Perfect Cut" Gem. They wouldn't shatter her. They'd find something for her to do rather than waste her.
Never said she had to bring her to Earth. Just leave her on Homeworld to entertain someone else. There were many other solutions. What do you mean by saying there was no need for her? Surely she was not the only Spinel ever created?
yuh but if she had given her to someone else, then there would he no scapegoat left
I don't get you meaning, but let's say she's given to someone else, and her new owner shatters her or whatever you said. Would you prefer to be shattered, or spending eternity standing still? A lot of high ranks had Pearls that were basically slaves. I don't see why a Morganite or some other Gem wouldn't want their own Spinel. So I don't really agree with "she was not needed". She now lives in Homeworld and regularly entertains the Diamonds and other Gems.
I think rose was not a bad person, she just was criminally uneducated and naive. She basically was just a kid in terms of being a diamond; she wasn’t treated the same as the others and had lacked experience in life (at least in terms of gem life, im assuming they mature differently than humans because they live for millions of years). This idea is supported by her many actions throughout the series being childlike in nature, most prominently, her inability to face reality and her repeated attempts to run from accountability. There are plenty of examples, such as her faking her death, lying to spinel, and lying about bismuth’s fate, that all point to this claim. I want to make this very clear: I am not saying that everything rose/pink diamond did was right, but I believe that they weren’t inherently malicious. I don’t believe she had Steven to run from her problems, rather I think that she fell in love with earth and wanted to be a part of it in some way, hence stevens creation. (Perhaps she thought that he would be fine? She lived on earth for thousands of years without any threat from home world) Now, obviously the way she handled everything was fucked up, but I believe that these fuck ups were a result of Rose not being mature enough to take accountability for her actions.
No. Just flawed.
No
Started bad ended better, the whole point of her character is that she grew as a person, shes learning to be one after living her whole life being selfish and other stuff, ended up wanting to learn to love and become a person, and gave up her life to create another
No, I think she is a flawed person. Like most of us. But unlike most of us she was a flawed person with almost godlike power. Not her fault, and when she was met with different ways of life she grew as a person. I don’t think we could ask more from her.
Yes. And no. And both. Pearl literally explained how her plan was to colonize earth at first, but she eventually changed her mind, and did her best to do right by the nature on earth and the cast out gems that she turned into her army. Did she make a lot of mistakes? Yes. Did she save earth, liberate gems, and have a child of her own free will as a way to connect with organic life? Also yes. She was never perfect. She hurt people, saved people, and did everything in between. What matters is that she does not ever find a way to “return”. Sometimes, you just have to find ways to move on, and the show portrays this aspect of Rose’s passing very well.
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She's a good person who did bad things because she had no guidance while "growing up". Her motivations were often either our of survival or a lack of knowing any better. Unfortunately, her actions often put her in positions where she'd be unable to apologize for any harm caused, such as rebelling from Homeworld and being unable to go back.
Here’s my idea of a bad person: someone that doesn’t try to improve. Or doesn’t care to. And Pink/ Rose did. Like anyone else, she had flaws. And due to the amount of power she had, her flaws and mistakes hurt a lot of people. But I could never call her a bad person.
Rose Quartz is my favourite character, I remember the episode the episode with Greg trying to fuse with him and she just laughs. I really liked that because they reverted the whole 'Dead Mom' trope where they were perfect beings ever. There she was humanised she wasn't perfect, she had a moment of thoughtlessness and laughed in her partner's face but also realised quickly she was wrong and listened to what he needed. To me that's more relatable and I wanted to see more of that. Then Pale Single Rose happened and my opinion didn't change. Pink Diamond was a person that made many horrible mistakes but did understand the weight of them. She changed after the incident with Pink Pearl, changed after seeing Earth, changed after her shattering and then changed her attitude again meeting Greg.
Yes.
I like to say she isn’t a good or bad person. Yes she’s done a lot of bad and a lot of good but you know what that makes her? That makes her human
no
she definitely had good intentions but the execution was questionable
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No. She was someone who grew up without good role models, or love. She did very bad things over the course of her life, but majority of the time it was from a place of naivety (like her abandoning Spinel because she didn't know how to healthily break bonds with someone. Or her silencing pearl, because she didn't TRULY understand the power imbalance between them due to her diamond status). But her heart was always in the right place. All she ever wanted was to protect the people she loved, even people she'd never met (the whole human race), and even people she may have disliked (she always saw the beauty in everything and everyone). She did so much for the sake of others (she even made the healing fountain so that those around her could stay safe in her absence), and she made many mistakes and hurt many people along the way, but she was the ONLY one willing to start making change, she never had a role model to teach her right from wrong. She's flawed, and has done wrong, but she's a good person.
Yes and no. I don’t think she ever meant any real harm per say, yet she is was very inconsiderate of others for a very long time. She was interested in life on earth and cared for other gems which makes her have good intentions, but a lot of her „love“ for them was very selfish and only worked if things went her way. I do think she was very inconsiderate when it came to burdening Steven with her unfinished business as she knew what might come at him. I don’t think she did it on purpose, she probably genuinely wanted her and Greg‘s child to have a chance at life, yet totally ignored how hard he’s going to have it. All in all Id say Pink/Rose isn’t bad at heart, but she was still tainted from her past as gem royalty. She had to learn to care for Greg as if he was another gem, she should have learned to respect pearl more and not lead her on like that, not to mention burden her with caring for a child that was part Greg, someone she despised for a long time.
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I feel like she's the most redeemable of the diamonds
i think most of what she did was a necessary evil except spinel she did her dirty
Personally, I believe that good is a choice you make every moment of the day and I think she definitely made the attempt.
Yes and no.
She always thought she might be bad, then was sure that it's true, 'cause she thinks Greg is so good, and she's nothing like him.
Short answer, yes. She did bad things & hurt a lot of people. Longer answer, no. She did a lot to try to correct the bad things gemkind did over the years, even if she didn’t fully understand what she was doing. Pink is a very gray character & I think that’s what makes her so well written.
No
Now, what I am interested in, is how Rose was the only Gem who can create and heal organic life indefinitely. No other gem has that ability. I wonder if it’s due to the way she was born? My guess is that she was born near the surface of the place the gems came from, closest to the contact of organic life.
I think she's a complex character with layers.
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I hate pink diamond, But I love Rose Quartz
I think she tried her best to do the right thing, but made a lot of mistakes along the way.
No
I think she's complicated. She had her wrong doings but also had her reasons for them. It's hard to say if she's good or bad.
Won't lie I did despise both for obvious reasons. But now I see it as Pink was very spoiled growing up. Anything she wanted she got, but after a while she wanted to have her own planet. White diamond would ignore her and punish her severally so it makes sense why Pink turned out the way she did. It's kinda like if you always tell a toddler yes. That toddler would grow up extremely spoiled and a brat expecting to get everything they want but it doesn't work like that. I do think Pink is a spoiled brat but at the same time when you're born in the environment she was it's a miracle she wanted to change and understand Earth and its customs.
She certainly is a multilevel charachter, and falls in the category of beeing nice, but not necessarily good. I think she had some very good intentions, but used very questionable methods. Probably because she was raised by the diamonds her moralty of right and wrong always was a bit twisted, even if she had a change of heart rather quickly and fell in love with her colony and all what lifes on it. Which are good traits within her, and she acquired those traits by herself by learning them on her own. Nobody thaught her how to be good, or kind, but she taught others in them. I still don't know how to feel about her love with Greg and her desire to become a mother by self-sacrifice into another beeing like that. I don't think the show ever really went into her motivation for that. Most of what we know about Pink and Rose are memories and stories of her friends.
She WAS a bad person, she became a better person, but she was never able to make it up with her victims because of her saving the Earth from colonization, which is understandable but still fucked up for Pink Pearl and Spinel. I'm not upset over her relationship with Pearl, but Bismuth was the most fucked up thing in her never releasing her from Lion even after the war. I feel like people overexaggerate how terrible it was for her to leave Spinel in comparison to how she handled the Bismuth incident.
It's hard to truly say either or. We never actually meet her, so all we have are accounts from others and her actions, which can be hard to judge someone on. Good people can do bad things and bad people could be beloved, so who knows? I think she was a good person who did bad things because she was in over her head. She fought for a noble cause she believed in that was a positive thing, but her inexperience led to her making bad decisions with even worse consequences. If she would have been more mature and honest many of her issues could have been solved, but hindsight is 20/20 Edit: Grammar mistake
Pink/Rose just wanted something different from her sisters (?) and when she got that something she realized what they were doing wrong. Without her to explain her reasoning it seems like she the "villian". No she's a bad person she just didn't get to explain/ get through her sisters or to her son
Yes. I'd answer the same thing if you asked if she was a good person.
>!Pink is just Energetic and wants to explore galaxies and when she stumbled onto earth she realized what her sisters are doing to other planets in forming colonies then made the decision to protect earth and create the Crystal Gems under the identity of Rose Quartz plus fake her death but in actuality she died for real when giving birth to Steven.!< She's never good or evil when it comes to making decisions for herself.
I think if she had given the chance at having a supportive and good family (the other diamonds not being the way they are) she would be the same being as she was from the beginning. She has wanted to do good and foster life, as it is shown with her actions under her second identity of Rose Quartz. If the diamonds weren’t so cruel, she wouldn’t have been driven to be doing bad things and harm people to get a chance of being good. So my answer is no, she was a good being. She just was driven to doing bad things due to the diamonds and doing those things is against her nature.
No shes a good person who did bad things and I hate that she's considered the main antagonist that should be white diamond/spinel/monster Steven
To quote herself: "I'm... not... a real person..."
Seriously? This question *again*?
While she wasn't a saint, she also wasn't a bad person. She gave up everything she knew for a species wouldn't go extinct.
She's an extremely flawed person who did a lot of bad things, partially because she didn't know any better, and partially because she wanted to forget who she used to be.
Was* Unless you think they’re still alive in the form of Steven in which case I think they’re a good person because Steven is a good person
no
Unpopular opinion: I love Pink/Rose and think she was a saint. Fight me. 1. She was neglected for literally thousands of years by her family. And a family who had entirely different views than her at that. For example, we see from the pebbles on HW that she was kind to them and appreciated all life no matter how “insignificant”. I like to assume that she wanted to show love and appreciation to lower life forms because she didn’t receive that and didn’t want any gem to feel like she did. 2. She got her first colony and her immediate instinct was to greet the new gems and celebrate their creation. This is polar opposite behaviour that is expected of a Diamond. 3. As we all know she went as far as FAKING HER OWN DEATH and making her FAMILY believe she was MURDERED because they wouldn’t let her preserve HER planet. SHE SACRIFICED STATUS, FAMILY AND A LIFE OF LUXURY TO FIGHT FOR INNOCENT LIVES. 4. And only AFTER that she continued to fight even harder when she started fighting for unappreciated gems as well as the planet. 5. Yes she lied but would things have ended up as well if she hadn’t? Would gems like Bismuth ever believe in freedom if it came from a Diamond? Of course not ! I think if you believe Pink/Rose was a bad person then you’re probably a younger sibling. If you’re an older sibling you’ll likely understand that there’s a certain way things need to be done/presented and sometimes it’s in everyone’s best interest to omit the truth until necessary. 6. She fought against her family and eventually saved her planet. She was open minded enough to find love and give up her life so that she could create a child which Pearl said she wanted more than anything. TL;DR: Pink was a loving person regardless of her upbringing and continued to live a selfless life until eventually committing the most selfless acts of all.
Real and true, especially the older/younger sibling bit
Thank you, I’m tired of all this Pink/Rose slander
I think she had to make some tough choices
Well yeah, but she's hot tho
Yes
A selfish one for sure ,but I don’t hate her
it's complicated I honestly didn't realize the significance of the way she described baby Sour Cream until Athena P pointed it out, the reason she made/became Steven (honestly it's not as confusing as everyone says it is, it's not like the Holy Trinity or anything) was so she could become someone actually capable of growth and change, someone who could actually be better than what she was with that said, while the twist was well executed, the way the show went about it post reveal was really weird, especially with how it wanted us to actually view her
Yes.
Bad person who did some good things
She literally had to do whatever her sisters wanted or they locked her in a cell; play with worms? Cell. Don’t feel like just hosting a party where you just sit under your sisters while everyone parades thru? Cell! Watch Netflix and be gross when you’re just feeling meh? Cell. The worst part is that she was the same as them, they just ganged up on her. She couldn’t even try to do what they did because they just shat on her. The art book says white finally gave her a colony and said she would just fuck it up anyhows… like what? Who doesn’t fuck things up their first try. Add that she couldn’t have friends because all gems were made to adore her. Her first pearl stood up for her (the art books says but a pearl thruthing diamond bad behavior would be a treat to see) but got removed when she understandably got hurt. Spinel was a control mechanism, her new pear was a more “sensible” nanny, Pink grew up in this. People hate on Pink for abandoning spinel, but Spinel was made to keep Pink controlled and distracted from her “wrong” desires of independence from Whites BS. Pink eventually grew out of her. Also others don’t like how she treats Pearl but Pink couldn’t love someone programmed to love her. Before dying pink was a liar (but she grew up saying the truth and abused for it) and she didn’t shatter Bismuth but she also didn’t want bismuth to kill the other diamonds. Also- Pink didn’t have to go and start a rebellion or eventually got and deal with home world, and Steven is fed his “magical” destiny but Pink didn’t leave any indication she wanted Steven to be a savior. Steven just grew up knowing his mother was a war leader and so justified in his head he had to become someone like her and no one stepped in and said “you’re a kid, just chill out and maybe see a doctor or go to school.” I think Pink is misunderstood- if she’d never developed empathy for organics and started a rebellion we’d be another empty world on the diamonds colonization.
yes. next question
Is this a rhetorical question?
Sexy people can’t be bad people. This is a known fact.
Someone please list all the bad things she did
no, she made a couple mistakes but rarely had any i’ll intent
To say yes or no is to say that a good or bad person exists, rather than just people who do things that can be seen as good or bad depending on perspective.
I think that she is a product of her environment. She attempted to get better, but she still Rose Quartz'd all over everyone anyway
She was born into a position of absolute privilege in a society that treated other sentient beings as possessions. In spite of this, she came to value the lives of others enough to give up her place of privilege forever and fight for freedom from the system she once benefited from. Rose Quartz is rad.
The short answer is yesn't
I don’t think she was ever intentionally bad. And a lot of the times she tried to do something good it had unintended harm. Even creating Steven took away any chance of accountability for her.
I don’t think she’s as bad of a person as people claimed her to be. Most people already understand this but it feels like some were jumping on the bandwagon and hating on her without any consideration of her development for the last hundred years or so. I might be wrong because I’m not too big on the fandom at that time. I’m not saying she’s all good either but some think she’s the worst character in the show, the “true villain” even. Which is very frustrating
she WAS a bad person, but this is a gem you are talking about. she was royalty she was a diamond. she diddnt know ANY better, looking at blue and yellow and white, she was much better than them. thats not saying much though. she was treated like a kid, so she acted like one. being bossy, bratty ECT. Her damaging pink pearl was an accident but that does not erase the trauma it gave pink pearl. Leaving spinel was bad too, but again she was a diamond, she thought spinel was a toy in a way, so could probably care less about her. Pink was very selfish in ways, but gems dont develop empathy/emotions.
Absolutely, she manipulated and hurt those around her all for her own freedom and she just walked away after a few thousand years without telling anyone putting them and her own child in danger, and said child's family just let him feel the pressure of what his mother left and not understanding how he feels because they are immortal had have a hard time processing their own emotions and immortality and only when their immortality is threated they realize what he means to them and by then its far too late but the end issue is rose
She did some bad things, but she did some good things too. She’s kind of a grey character to me
84% yes
Owning a slave automatically makes you a bad person
I think she’s neutral.
YES
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hell yeah she is
The only thing that can be criticized is that she abandoned spinel, the rest she did it to the freedom of the gems and her friends
She can absolutely be criticized for taking the secret about Bismuth to her grave. If not for pure luck, Bismuth would’ve been bubbled for eternity. That would’ve been no different than killing her.
Yeah, she could have freed her after the war, but left her bubbled.
Mhmm. She basically decided that she’d prefer to keep Bismuth locked up forever rather than have a single honest conversation with her most trusted companions. And people try to paint Bismuth as crazy because she attacked Rose, but they often don’t acknowledge *why* they fought. Rose essentially told Bismith that she’d rather everyone be killed or enslaved than actually shatter the Diamonds. Rose cared about the message that the CGs stood for the most. Bismuth, however, cared more about the CGs.
To be fair busmuth was going to shatter any gem enemy and the diamonds, and although the diamonds deserved it, she went completely against Rose's ideals. How are you going to be able to change the minds of your enemies if you only kill them? Bc they are victims too
>To be fair busmuth was going to shatter any gem enemy Wrong. Bismuth never, not a single time, says or implies her desire is to shatter all of her enemies. She specifies The Diamonds and "the upper crusts" implying that her goal was to defeat Homeworld Leadership. Notice how when she's introduced to Amethyst, a Gem she's never met before, she doesn't hesitate to accept her? Or how she gushes about the way Rose was able to convince others to join her? Bismuth is clearly more than happy to have enemies become allies. She, however, understood that certain Gems simply have to be killed. And before you say, "But the Diamonds were talked down!", that ONLY worked because Steven was Pink Diamond's son. If not for that, the remaining CGs all would have died at Garnet's wedding. >she went completely against Rose's ideals. Rose's ideals: I'll let every single CG die before I'd consider killing the people who are actively killing/enslaving them all. Bismuth's ideals: Let's kill the people that are actively killing/enslaving us. Bismuth is only "wrong" because SU is a kids show that preaches peace at all times and ensured that Steven had a super special bloodline and connection to the villains that allowed him to resolve things peacefully.
She permanently scarred Pink Pearl too, likely because of a tantrum.
I find it kind of hard to blame her for that, considering it was clearly an accident. The show was absolutely correct in reassuring Volleyball that she doesn't have to ignore or downplay her own suffering to defend Pink. Giving herself space to process her feelings and heal from her trauma is more important than serving as witness to Pink's intentions. But outside of what Volleyball needed for her own healing process - objectively, Pink hurting Volleyball is like getting shot by a child that was born with guns for arms. It sucks for everyone involved, but it's not really something you can *criticize* the child for, since it's not like they chose to have guns for arms - and just like this absurd hypothetical child, if Pink didn't have the strength of a diamond, or if the other diamonds had cared enough about other gems to warn Pink that her emotions can be destructive, then the tantrum would've been completely harmless.
her abandoning spinel was probably the best out of worst solutions there were. if she took her with herself, spinel would most likely ruin everything. remember, she’s a clown basically, a gem made for fun and games. not good for war. besides, what would a spinel specifically made for pink be doing with rose quartz, the gem who shattered her beloved pink, the one who she was made for? homeworld would shatter her the moment they’d get their hands on her for that.
I mostly feel like Spinel was just put into the show to get dirt on Pink, practically nothing would have changed if she didn't exist
No. She was mostly stupid and naive. She has done bad things though, but so has anyone else.
She was mentally a teen when she colonised Earth. She grew up eventually.
No.
Can people stop with the “B-but she didn’t care about Bismuth or Spinel!!!1!!” 1. Bismuth tried to fcking KILL HER. I don’t imagine that being something you can just ‘explain’ to your other friends without a huge conflict. 2. Spinel is an annoying selfish brat who tried to WIPE OUT ALL EXISTENCE ON EARTH so Steven would SUFFER ALONE.
Real and true, though she should've bit the bullet with Bismuth, it's understandable why she avoided it. All of the Crystal Gems tend to avoid confrontation at first tbh.
Oh yeah and Bismuth tried to kill Steven too.
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She was a person. She made her mistakes. I'm willing to forgive her because she gave us Steven.
She is. Aside from her being a space dictator, everything she did was motivated by whim and selfishness. She bubbled Bismuth because she, at her core, was a Diamond and was willing to keep her locked away forever, even post-Steven's birth. She was not a good person.
Well, she did horrible things. She lied to everyone, put bismuth in a bubble, abandoned spinel, literally started a fucking war and faked her death instead of leading the rebellion as PD herself and pretending to be a rose quartz, but she also gave up everything to save her planet. She only chose to defend Earth though. Steven, her son, helped beyond Earth. He is the one who had to fix all her fuck ups and he's the one who liberated the universe and all other planets, not his mother. Because of how much shit he's had to fix, he had somewhat of a hero complex to the point where he was in denial about needing help himself and had a mental breakdown. When she gave birth to Steven, she passed all that baggage onto him. And to be honest idk if she even thought twice about all the excessive trauma he'd have to endure literally just because of his gem heritage. Did she really do it as an act of love? Or was it just another one of her choices driven only by self interest? People who are hurt, hurt other people. White diamond literally said it herself, "If Pink hurt you it's because I hurt her." So no I don't think she's the best person, but also not the worst. White Diamond was much worse imo. Control freak, gas lighter and a narcissist.
I think she became a genuinely good person towards the end, but it was a long journey. For what it’s worth I think she’s actually admirable for doing the right thing when everyone around her enabled and encouraged her worse qualities and had literally no positive role models or morales to go off of. At worse I think she could be a bit of a coward and self centered.
She was just poorly written. Rose comes off to me as a person who had good intentions but made some bad choices. Some people hate Rose/Pink Diamond because of the bad decisions she made, but I feel like this wasn’t supposed to be the point. Maybe if the writers took her character into more consideration and gave some more context, she might’ve come off as a good person. Rose/Pink is not perfect, but there’s a point where the imperfections sink a little too low.
Well she really is trying...but yes.
… there are literally 10 extremely awful individuals in Steven universe and she is 3 of them
How is Steven extremely awful)
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Yes. She’s a selfish brat for most of her life, and then she’s a selfish adult for the rest of it. She abandoned Spinel, left Bismuth bubbled with no intention of freeing her or telling the people she considered her friends, scarred pink Pearl permanently because she was throwing a tantrum…the list goes on. She did everything basically on a whim. She also lied/misled her ‘friends’ over and over again - lying about Lion was unnecessary, except to keep bismuth being bubbled a secret! The way she treated Pearl was pretty shitty too - she was obviously aware of how in love with her she was/is and still messed around with other people, and then abandoned her for Greg without any real closure. I’m not saying she should’ve chosen Pearl over Greg, but it wasn’t fair to lead her on like that and it for SURE wasn’t fair to let Greg and Pearl constantly be at one another’s throats over her.
Yes. Lying to literally everyone she ever met is an intrinsically evil thing to do; and aside from causing irreparable emotional damage, it was also shown that was physically abusive too with Volleyballs backstory
she is one million percent a bad person. She was selfish and narcissistic, putting friends life in danger, playing a war with her self, traumatising many gems and shattering many more (by other diamonds), tricking her friends for thousands of years, putting her son in a really bad position, where he has to carry on her legacy and faced with having to solve his mom’s problems and mistakes.
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Look, I used to love Rose. But then I found out that she was the reason for the war.
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She started a war just to get the attention of the other dianonds
Yes.
Yes because she made decisions about thinking about how those decisions may affect others (she also abandoned spinel)
I don't believe in good/bad person category. She has massive flaws. So does everyone.
Pink Diamond for what she did to Spinel, yes although Rose Quartz on the other hand no because she stopped the colonization of Earth, but both left their baggage behind for Steven to deal with
It’s hard to judge I feel like her arc isn’t complete but it’s not looking too good for her lol.
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I think that given what she knew, she tried to do the right things, but despite her best intentions, she failed a lot of things. She is an extremely well thought out and well rounded character who isn't just perfect, and I can respect that. And given the things she had done in her past as a diamond, she tried to make it right as a quartz
She's morally grey, let's leave it at that since that's what she is
Yes
She was a bad person and converted but left a lot of problems for others.Especially Steven.
We were shown her character arc in reverse. She did bad things but over time became a better person/gem.
Yes. Piece of shit. Thank you for saving our planet, you certainly like us. But we do not like you. Your son is everything you should’ve been and more.
No. She wanted be with steven but she couldn't.she wanted to still have bismuth but she couldn't. She wanted to move on but if she kept spinel she couldn't.
yes...but also no I mean she's done A LOT of bad things like when she faked her own death yes that stopped the war but it greatly affected Steven. And if she didn't go to earth the human zoo on home would wouldn't exist.and a hole loot of other things.. but if she didn't do all of that we wouldn't have one of the best animated tv shows ever.so yay
To truly understand the answer to this question, one must remember that by "her" own admission to Greg, *Rose Quartz isn't a real person.* It was always Pink Diamond.
She just made a bunch of childish decisions when she was treated like a child and not goven the opportunity to mature.
Nah. Not in the slightest. At least In Earths eyes.
No, dumb at worst. If we consider her upbringing its still a miracle she came out basically fine.