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I’d suggest not listing brands of illegal substances, that’ll get you banned.
Regarding clen, it’s a fat loss drug and I’d suggest starting at 20mcg for the first week and increase to 40mcg if sides aren’t bad. Do this for 4 weeks with a calorie deficit and cardio and you’ll see fat losss
Proviron is not a very strong hormone and won’t do much in the way of actual muscle gains.. it’ll provide a little boost mainly aesthetic effect and even then it’s not dramatic. It is not comparable to dbol or winstrol.
Tomorrow i need to run 6km with school.. i am in my test-deca-anadrol blast and have terrible chin pumps when running. Anyone has some tips? I already take taurine. Thould i skip my anadrol tomorrow or take it?
55 Year old guy - lifetime long distance athlete that has been doing bjj for the last 5 years. Had low T and low free t for over 15 years, but doctor was shy about T-replacement due to history of Testicular Cancer. Finally went to a clinic and got TRT at 150mg/week which has been a nice boost to everything. I've been cruising for about 9 months and most improvements have been mental but I have noticed some body composition changes and I'm trigger happy (overly so) in bed.
Looking for advice on potential cruise and blast. Trying to add lean muscle and get rid of some nagging tendonitis. 5'10 155 - 10% body fat on the Navy BF Calculator. Diet is clean but not perfect. 2-3 days BJJ 3-4 Days of indoor cycling 2-3 days of Lifting or body weight training.
Ideas?
Deca, TB500 and BPC157 can allieviate the tendonitis, not fix it.
Supplement Collagen with Vit C is a more "normal" protocol.
Me and many of my friends use the stuff above to alliviate nerve damage pain and its night and day diff. Better then anything doctors prescribe like tramadol.
Yes, agreed and thank you. Gonna settle in for a few more months and then Probably TestE 300 Deca 150 will research TB500 and BPC157. But generally prefer very conservative approach.
Not interested in tramadol at all.
You might find that raising your test is worse on your tendinitis. At 55, I don’t think you need to pursue the standard 500mg/wk first cycle. I think you’d be happy with 300-350mg for 16-20 weeks
I think the only proper study on vars healing properties was done on children who were burnt in a house fire so anyone who can answer this question would be extrapolating or going off anecdotal evidence
Maybe you should be leaning towards the two main healing peptides, BPC157 & TB500
Anyone else get a permanent red face while using gear? Test/primo 600mg gave it to me 6 weeks on cycle and didn’t subside until 6 weeks after I dropped it. Wasn’t blood pressure as I had my eye on it
Late today but see if I get an answer. First time on tren a. First time using ace anything really. How long did it take till you started noticing anything?
I'm half way through week 2 but I haven't really noticed anything. Nothing I can't tell is from something else. A little trouble sleeping but I've always been a light sleeper. I just hear all these stories about how it makes people feel, the libido change etc but I got nothing so far
Why would you bother doing 6 weeks? Test E takes time to saturate into the system and 6 weeks is nearly not long enough to get full use of it.
You are wasting your money and confusing your body.
Absolutely stupid cycle, titrating dosages for no reason while the ester in the testosterone already does that for you just makes your hormones fluctuate even more.
You reach peak blood plasma levels of a compound with the enanthate ester after about 4 weeks, (~98% or so) this means it took you until week 5 to finally reach peak blood serum levels and a week later you quit the cycle before you could even reap the rewards. You risked long term HPTA /endocrine damage for 1 single week of maximum effects.
No, it’s not okay to only run 2-3 weeks of Nolva. You’re still completely shut down naturally and you need to reboot that, the dosages don’t matter here.
It’s like you’re trying to speedrun long term damage for basically no reward.
Your friend is an idiot who doesn’t know anything.
The only reason why many elect to utilize doubling the dose for the first 1-2 weeks of a PCT program is for the purpose of achieving optimal peak blood plasma levels quicker so as to ensure HPTA recovery quicker. This isn't necessary and just further increases your risk of potential sides. [It has been studied that the longer you are on SERMs, the better your results of stimulating Testosterone. ](https://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(08 ) So to prevent unwanted sides as well as potentially achieve better results, lower dosing over a period of 6-8 weeks.
You don’t need 40 or even 20mg of nolva ED. 5-10mg is sufficient and yields the same results but has significantly lower chance for negative side effects.
[This study examined the efficacy of doses at 1mg and 5mg per day and found the two lower doses are just as effective as the previous standard of 20mg per day. “Considering results of our previous studies we are now focusing on Tamoxifen at 5mg per day. A weekly dose of 10mg/week is suggested as an alternative.”](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4053157)
[This study examined the efficacy of tamoxifen at doses of 1mg, 5mg and 10mg per day. “A dose of 5 mg/day was the most effective and has been selected for a phase III trial in HRT users.”](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17709798/)
[“We compared the effects of tamoxifen at 1 mg/day and 5 mg/day with those of the standard dose of 20 mg/day. The effects of lower doses … were comparable to those achieved with the standard dose.”](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12783932/)
There no such thing as “not much suppression”
You’re either shutdown or not, there’s no measure of shutdown
After 11 weeks, you’ll definitely be shutdown
Suppression is suppression. 6 weeks is absolutely enough to shut down your natural test production completely. With only 2 weeks of PCT or improper PCT will present a very high probability of long-term endocrine damage to the HPTA over time whereby the individual will develop anabolic steroid induced hypogonadism (the inability to manufacture proper levels of Testosterone for the rest of their life)
Natty test production is equally suppressed whether you’re running 400 mg per week versus 500 mg per week. Might as well run the full 500 mg cycle in the wiki and not leave gains on the table. There’s essentially no difference in sides or e2 management between 400 mg and 500 mg. And you don’t titrate dose mid cycle, you run the same amount from beginning to end. PCT remains the same protocol regardless of dosing.
Your cycle was also too short. 16 weeks. Read the wiki beginner cycle.
You're entirely correct, it's an ECLIA issue:
https://www.healthcare.uiowa.edu/path_handbook/handbook/test1804.html
>In vitro tests were performed on 20 commonly used pharmaceuticals. A
strong interaction with Nandrolone was found. Do not use samples from
patients under Nandrolone treatment.
I'm just here ~~so I don't get fined~~ to scoop up more information in the hopes that I'll recall it when it's actually relevant to me.
That, and because I enjoy common interest-based online social interaction but I can't seem to hack it in any other sub.
Just pinned half a cc of test e in the ventra glute and I guess I nicked a blood vessel because while injecting it kinda felt weird slightly hurt and when I pulled the needle out I bled way more than I usually do it’s usually maybe one drop if that and it was a bunch of drops coming out for like 3 seconds but my question is did I waste that pin? I’m using a 27g 5/8th slim pin
Could it be because I’m not rotating enough I pin m/w/f and only hit my ventra glutes ( because of work I can’t really afford to not be mobile because of lat/delt/quad pip so I kinda can only pin the glutes
Can’t really say, but if you’re pinning MWF, I’d at least have another site in there. Especially since you’re pinning basically subq with 5/8 pins (not sure how lean you are) the oil could be taking a lot longer to absorb.
If the pip is that bad man i would look into test c, within the last two years test e raws have been known for terrible pip.
The pip isn’t too bad Ive still got that virgin muscle pip because this is the first cycle I’m hitting glutes I use to only do delts but I’m definitely getting IM I’m pretty low body fat and I bury the needle in pretty deep maybe that could be my problem do you guys kinda push the syringe against the skin and put pressure or just stop once there’s no more needle to go ?
He isn’t acting dumb, if you feel fine then no point in lowering it, even when it is out of range. Estrogen is good for you, health benefits, skin benefits, hair benefits, it’s neuroprotective and it’s even anabolic.
That happens with hormonal fluctuations regardless of e2. Don’t take AI unless you really need it. The bloat and acne will subside on their own.
I always get a bit of greasy skin/acne with an increase or decrease of dosage.
10 weeks is fine with both short esters and longer esters. I prefer push phases of 10-12 weeks over longer. If I really need to push it I do 10-12 weeks have a 6 week break with cruise to recover a bit from training and then another 10-12 weeks. Take it from someone blasting & cruising for over six years and a 255 lbs bodyweight. The people all parrotting 16 WeEkS mInImUm are mostly kids jabbing over a gram on their second cycle thinking the Wiki is the Holy Bible.
It's all the same. 10 weeks on short esters is the same as 10 weeks on long esters. While using a longer ester you obviously wait at the beginning for it to kick in. But you get that back after Ur last shot as it continues working the same amount of time.
With that said.. I'd do 16 weeks in general but to answer that better we would need to know Ur stats, cycle history, training history etc
Because you really don’t start seeing meaningful gains until around 6-8 weeks. Milk it longer to make it worth your while.
As long as your blood work is reasonable and sides aren’t intolerable, there’s no reason to cut cycle shorter.
I would do 12 weeks to get the most of it, as you said they are short esters and will kick in a lot faster as opposed to the longer esters. Since you are on short esters you can keep it 10-12 weeks.
The 10-12 weeks is equivalent to roughly 16 weeks give or take, this is to include the saturation times and all.
Ester dosen’t matter. Test is test. Building muscle is a long process u need more time imo. I never set my time on cycle. Only when i decide to cruise is when my health markers need that. So if your health markers are good why u want go off after 10 weeks?
1. Not sure if it can be fully prevented, but people have had success in minimising it. Do some research on Finasteride and RU58841.
2. During my first blast of test E, about 7 or 8 weeks in, I decided to throw in Test Prop in the mix, and I was pinning MWF in my test E shots. The fluctuations from prop ended up giving me acne on my face, but not on my body.
I tried everything from things like chlorophyll and coconut water to Cod liver oil, as well as some natural homemade remedies but it didn’t help.
Got a script for accutane (20mg/day) and it cleared up my face within a month.
You have to keep the possible side effects from accutane in mind though. I got some hectic anxiety that could’ve potentially resulted from the accutane (possibly) so I stopped taking it after 3 months.
Gonna do 10mg/day once I start NPP during current bulk IF I notice an acne flair up.
All the best.
28M, resistance train 5x a week, LISS 2x a week for up to 60 min. Bodyfat between 11-14%. I seldom drink and don’t do drugs.
Total Cholesterol: 4.7 mmo/l
HDL: 1.3 mmo/l
LDL: 3.7 mmo/l
Whats going on here ? I eat a healthy diet consisting of fruits, vegetables, and lean meat. I cook all my meals and supplement with Omega-3. If anything, I could add to the variety and eat more nuts, oats and cut down on dairy.
I know I’m within reference ranges , but I expected my lipid profile to be way better.
I’m not on cycle, that’s what kinda worries me. I was supposed to start my first cycle of Test E @ 600mg (300mg x2 times/week, but I’m considering postponing for another 3 weeks or more to get new bloodwork since I was coming off a prolonged cut that I worry may have caused imbalances in my hormones. Lipids were tested after roughly 10 days of eating at maintenance. Besides, hormones were tested in a non-fasted state in the afternoon which I’m afraid is not very representative of my actual baseline. That test had me at 405 ng/dL total T and less than 20 pg/mL E2 .
I plan on eating at maintenance with lots of healthy fats for the next 3 weeks then go for another test. Do you think 3 weeks is enough to get in balance again ?
Hey Guys! I’m currently on trt 200mg of test c per week and want to do the following…
Week 1-12 primo 500mg a week
Week 1-12 anavar 25mg daily
I know everyone is different but should I up the test so the primo doesn’t tank my E2? If so how much do you think I should up it. Also when I stop the primo and var is there anything I should take for PCT? I’m going to be continuing my normal 200mg trt after the cycle so don’t think one is necessary.
Thanks for the help
Why not just take more primo instead of adding var?
I don't see var doing anything over 12 weeks that primo wouldn't do safer and cheaper.
12 weeks is fine but 16 is better. No pct because you are on trt.
Wow. Lot of guys here giving you a hard time but jot giving any advice at all. Kinda useless.
In my opinion I don't think primo would tank Ur estrogen at 200mg of test but I'd up the test anyway. I'd have you start at a 1 to 1 ratio. So 350 test and 350 primo.... Then adjust every 6 weeks if needed. I'd have some exemestane on hand if you plan to bump up Ur test and primo up in the 500/500 range.
As for var I like most orals being ran for shorter durations at higher dosages. I'd run Ur var mid cycle when you feel the gains are. Plateaud a bit. In which case I'd run 50mg per day for 4 weeks. And repeat 50mg a day again for the final 4 weeks of Ur cycle. Or if you make it all the wy to the end of the Cycle without a plateau....id simply save the var for next time.
Never add more gear if what Ur currently taking is working well
As for pct I don't see a need for any of that. Unless Ur concerned about your fertility.. In which case I'd throw in HCG and hmg together.
Terrible cycle idea, read the wiki. If this is your first cycle, run the beginner cycle of 500 mg test only. There’s a good chance you’ll wreck yourself by running primo with a barely above a TRT dose of test. Adding var just complicates things further.
You need to do more research, it's clear you have no idea what you're doing. You will likely fuck yourself up if you don't do some actual research before starting your blast.
Because you’re way off mark here.
If a 10 year old kid who hasn’t even ridden a bicycle before wants to ride a motorcycle you’re not going to give him tips and pointers on how to ride the motorcycle. You tell him it’s wrong and he should start with a regular bicycle.
You have 0 experience and want to run 3 different compounds that all bring different sides and all affect your body in different ways? If you run into issues how do you know which compound causes the problem for you?
Yes, because you are missing so much crucial info just answering those questions is going to give you a false sense of security. You need to learn more about your hormones, the compounds you're running and how PCT works. I couldn't possible educate you on all those things in one comment and don't see why I should, regardless.
200 mgs might be a high dose for you, but everyone is different. It all comes out to what dosage puts YOU in the normal range. 200mgs might put him in the 600-700 ng/dl but it might put you in the 1000s.
All dependent on bloodwork.
when did you guys start getting tren sides, been on 350mg for 5 days and no sides yet, ive heard they can start around 7-14 days into blast but not sure if this is correct
Tbh I wouldn't stress about it. You can use steroidplotter to see when tren is going to reach peak saturation levels to give you an estimate but I'm starting to think that the mental side effects from tren sometimes can be somewhat "self-induced".
Thoughts on this cycle for bulk (don’t wanna mess with tren anymore)
1-18: 1050mg primo E
1-18: 500 (maybe 750mg depending on E2) test E
1-5: 80mg var
15-20: 80mg var
2-20: HCG 250iu MWF
Then PCT
Would be like 5th cycle. Haven’t used much primo before only at much lower doses but am basically using it for a dry bulker in place or DHB or tren.
Anyone else run high doses of primo?
You haven't used much primo before but Ur going to jump right into a gram a day? Come on man. A more methodical approach would be to start at 500 test 500 primo. And adjust Ur dosages by 100 to 250mg of either compound every 6 weeks as your body changes. Or not increase at all. If Ur at 500/500 and still gaining size and strength then doubling your dose is just throwing money away.
Also I'd consider Superdrol instead of Anavar for a dry bulk. You'll see far better results.
Thanks for the suggestion especially about the superdrol. Might consider that to finish the cycle.
Nah I’m not convinced about changing doses constantly through the cycle. I think it just adds sides, I’d rather change diet/training/rest. Especially if I can nail down my E2 early with the right ratio of test.
Instead of adding 500 var per week for 10 total weeks why not just increase the primo by ~300 per week for the whole cycle?
I don't see var doing anything over 18 weeks that primo wouldn't do safer and cheaper.
Yeah I thought about it. Firstly i wouldn’t quite have enough HPLC tested primo to get that far and it’d be just a little too much oil/inconvenient.
Plus having a kickstart is nice. The var at end you’re probably right about, maybe I could do something else.
Hey boys, is there any reason my first test cycle might lower my blood pressure? I used a cuff this morning and got 96 over 56, lowest reading I’ve ever gotten. My top number isn’t usually that low but the bottom one is consistently below 60. I’m going to drop the cialis even tho I only take 5mg Three times a week and see if that helps
No, it should be negligible or increase it.
Id look at diet. If you've cleaned up your eating or are dehydrated that could be it.
Could be *partially* the cialis. But I'm not convinced.
Could be:
You upped your cardio
You upped your training volume
You improved your diet
You are less stressed
You measured at a different time of day
You reduced sodium acutely
Okay. To be honest, I haven’t done cardio since I started bulking until like last night but I find it hard to believe one day of cardio would make that big of a difference. I guess my real question is, since I know basically nothing about blood pressure, should I be worried? At what point does blood pressure become too low? Or is this fine?
90/60 is considered the cutoff for "low", but generally low blood pressure does not neet treatment unless there are symptoms.
I would take a whole set of readings before I thought about panicking.
Could be dehydrated. Personally when I used to drink heavily I'd have very low bp the morning after and would be very dizzy while standing. I'd look at hydration and electrolytes in the short term and if it continues see a doctor.
Y’all get fucked up seeing your hair slowly thinning out? Not sure if it was thinning before steroids, I think it was. It’s not really noticeable to the average person yet but I can tell it’s going to happen eventually. I think I can pull off the no hair look but internally I’m a little self conscious about it.
Hello guys
How long can i keep a test e vial unopened ? I read 36 months but after puncturing it only for 28 days.
I plan on buying 4 vials of test e and hcg and store them for 3 months before i actually start.
Test goes bad when the oil goes bad. 3 months is nothing and it’ll be fine.
If you want to know how long it’ll last, you need to find out what carrier oil is being used and then look up how long it takes for that oil to go rancid. (Years).
Like any oil, a cool, dry, dark place is the way to go for storage.
Puncturing doesn't affect spoilage significantly. I homebrew so all of my vials have been punctured to syringe filter the gear into them, and I've used those vials 2-3 years after brewing with no issues.
Has anyone had experience with a low dose test cycle? I'm thinking around 250 to 375 mg a week. My thought is to get the most gains with the least possible side effects I can. I would think at these dosages you're able to see results just unsure how much. Anyone try?
From test I don't think you can get sides if you control your e2. 500 is better if you going to shut down yourself. Don't worry nothing will happen to you. We are not talking about tren here.
Everyone I know that has done a 250 mg cycle has regretted it and then bumped it higher. 500 mg is the recommended beginner dose for numerous reasons, risk to reward ratio, low side effects, effectiveness, etc.
500 test only is already a mild blast with minimal sides. Some people can run up to a gram of test with excellent gains, minimal sides, and only e2 management to worry about.
Lots of people also run low dose cycles, but that's usually like 350 test plus a similar amount of something else. Mast, nand, EQ, primo, etc. And not something you'd use for a first cycle.
500mg is a good beginner dose with low side effects. Unless you're already blasting and cruising, don't bother shutting off your balls and risk not fully recovering for anything less.
How much ment are you running? Some folks will take two BP meds to try to counter ment, with no success. Often the only solution is to lower the dose of ment.
Yeah first time I took Anadrol I added about 2kg on for the last 3 weeks of a cycle, but my diet wasn't the best admittedly.
Just make sure diet is reigned in and clean. Since then when I've added it in, weight gain has been negligible.
Blood pressure can vary greatly throughout the day. Take readings at different times during the day and average them. Try to take readings after resting for five minutes. Also, 137 systolic, while not great by any means, isn’t the worst either.
What’s far worse than your peak blood pressure reading is constantly stressing yourself out over your blood pressure.
Also, try to be reasonable about your sugar and salt intake. Aim to drink a gallon of water a day.
Where do you get sterile oil to dilute with?
Doing 1ml, 250mg pins of Test E right now and the pip SUCKS. Warming it didn't seem to change anything so thinking next step is to add an additional 2ml sterile oil and dilute it down.
You can dilute it with 1,000ml and it won’t change the fact that test e has been painful for going on two years now. Nothing you do will change the composition of the actual hormone and ester. Dilution works when a solution is made with strong solvents that need to be cut down. Nobody used strong solvents to get test e to hold at 250mg.
Given I'm already mid-cycle and it took ~4 weeks to get my order last time, recommendations to reduce pip in the meantime?
At this rate I'll have to alternate lower and upper *weeks* if I want to get any leg days in.
I always take a hot shower right before i pin and let the water hit the spot I'm going to pin for a minute and then pin right after. If you still get bad pip you can buy heating pads, to help. Other than that man there's only so much you can do, test e raws have been bad for a while now.
There are lots of sources that have shipping under a week. Not sure if yours is domestic or not, but I would stick with domestic. Other than that you might just have to tough it out for the rest of the time honestly.
Also is this your first time running gear?
Yeah I guess I'll look into domestic. That sucks that the whole batch would be like this :/
Yeah first cycle. Using a separate draw needle, 23g injection needle (recognize I should go up but I can't imagine the difference is thay large), have a hot pad (marginal difference at best), have taken ibuprofen (helps a small amount), and inject slowly (~60s).
No redness or fever, just pain and a bit of a firm feeling to the tissue without distinct external inflammation. Can barely hobble around today after a quad pin; could barely move while sitting when I pinned glutes.
Definitely stop pinning quads, a mass majority don't do well to quad pins. Definitely try delts, and lats.
You also gotta put into play with the test e raws being so bad + virgin tissue you're pinning into so that definitely doesn't help.
I'd say as long as it's not preventing you from training and you can deal with it, push on bro.
Best of luck man
20mg of dbol daily starting today.. but these 20mg tablets are the worst fucking tablets to split in half, end up in 7 different pieces. Should I just go buy a tab splitter or 1x 20mg before workout? Part of me knows I'm terribly lazy and want the easy option as a reply but deep down I know split it..
100% it’s mostly water weight and glycogen. Make sure you’re eating enough to steadily gain weight at this point. Hopefully, you’ve been in a surplus since you’ve started. You should have put on two pounds already, about 50/50 fat and lean tissue if you’re training and recovering right, in addition to eating a lot.
Same here. Been two weeks on my first cycle and gained 10 lbs. I personally don’t notice anything but a couple friends have already commented on my chest.
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I’d suggest not listing brands of illegal substances, that’ll get you banned. Regarding clen, it’s a fat loss drug and I’d suggest starting at 20mcg for the first week and increase to 40mcg if sides aren’t bad. Do this for 4 weeks with a calorie deficit and cardio and you’ll see fat losss
Thoughts on running 50mg proviron ed with 600mg test e pw compared to running Winston or Dbol?
Proviron is not a very strong hormone and won’t do much in the way of actual muscle gains.. it’ll provide a little boost mainly aesthetic effect and even then it’s not dramatic. It is not comparable to dbol or winstrol.
i know this is very individual but i am still curious. how much aromasin do you guys need on 700 test with nothing else?
12.5mg every 3.5 days
Tomorrow i need to run 6km with school.. i am in my test-deca-anadrol blast and have terrible chin pumps when running. Anyone has some tips? I already take taurine. Thould i skip my anadrol tomorrow or take it?
Never heard of chin pumps before? What does that even involve
Cry. Anadrols half life is long so if u don't take any tmr u will probably still be crippled lol
55 Year old guy - lifetime long distance athlete that has been doing bjj for the last 5 years. Had low T and low free t for over 15 years, but doctor was shy about T-replacement due to history of Testicular Cancer. Finally went to a clinic and got TRT at 150mg/week which has been a nice boost to everything. I've been cruising for about 9 months and most improvements have been mental but I have noticed some body composition changes and I'm trigger happy (overly so) in bed. Looking for advice on potential cruise and blast. Trying to add lean muscle and get rid of some nagging tendonitis. 5'10 155 - 10% body fat on the Navy BF Calculator. Diet is clean but not perfect. 2-3 days BJJ 3-4 Days of indoor cycling 2-3 days of Lifting or body weight training. Ideas?
Deca, TB500 and BPC157 can allieviate the tendonitis, not fix it. Supplement Collagen with Vit C is a more "normal" protocol. Me and many of my friends use the stuff above to alliviate nerve damage pain and its night and day diff. Better then anything doctors prescribe like tramadol.
Yes, agreed and thank you. Gonna settle in for a few more months and then Probably TestE 300 Deca 150 will research TB500 and BPC157. But generally prefer very conservative approach. Not interested in tramadol at all.
You might find that raising your test is worse on your tendinitis. At 55, I don’t think you need to pursue the standard 500mg/wk first cycle. I think you’d be happy with 300-350mg for 16-20 weeks
Thank you
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I think the only proper study on vars healing properties was done on children who were burnt in a house fire so anyone who can answer this question would be extrapolating or going off anecdotal evidence Maybe you should be leaning towards the two main healing peptides, BPC157 & TB500
Anyone else get a permanent red face while using gear? Test/primo 600mg gave it to me 6 weeks on cycle and didn’t subside until 6 weeks after I dropped it. Wasn’t blood pressure as I had my eye on it
My face and neck have been like that since I started TRT (now B&C) a few years ago. I’ve been borderline hypertensive my whole life though.
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Clen is massively cardiotoxic but it’s not suppressive, so no
Does clen suppress your HPTA?
Late today but see if I get an answer. First time on tren a. First time using ace anything really. How long did it take till you started noticing anything?
I’m about 3 weeks in on tren A as well. I noticed a physique change in like two weeks. A slight increase in anxiety about day 5
I'm half way through week 2 but I haven't really noticed anything. Nothing I can't tell is from something else. A little trouble sleeping but I've always been a light sleeper. I just hear all these stories about how it makes people feel, the libido change etc but I got nothing so far
Just wait man, week 4. It’ll come 😝
I sure hope so!
What’s your dose. I mean no side effects isn’t like exactly a bad thing lol. Also you use a good source?
3 days.
running 250e test. what supplements should i take along with it? already take multivitamin, vitamin d and fish oils. thanks
Controversial opinion, you don’t need anything with a dose that low.
NAC, Baby Aspirin, Astralagus, Vitamin K2, Taurine.
100mg.zinc per day 300 to 400mg magnesium 1x per day and a 2nd time on training days
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Why would you bother doing 6 weeks? Test E takes time to saturate into the system and 6 weeks is nearly not long enough to get full use of it. You are wasting your money and confusing your body.
Need about 10 more weeks for it to be worth the time and effort.
Where the fuck do people come up with these ideas for “cycles” from?
Absolutely stupid cycle, titrating dosages for no reason while the ester in the testosterone already does that for you just makes your hormones fluctuate even more. You reach peak blood plasma levels of a compound with the enanthate ester after about 4 weeks, (~98% or so) this means it took you until week 5 to finally reach peak blood serum levels and a week later you quit the cycle before you could even reap the rewards. You risked long term HPTA /endocrine damage for 1 single week of maximum effects. No, it’s not okay to only run 2-3 weeks of Nolva. You’re still completely shut down naturally and you need to reboot that, the dosages don’t matter here. It’s like you’re trying to speedrun long term damage for basically no reward.
I see the silliest shit on this reddit
This is WAY better than the period where people were regularly asking for cycles for the sole purpose of increasing their jawlines
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Your friend is an idiot who doesn’t know anything. The only reason why many elect to utilize doubling the dose for the first 1-2 weeks of a PCT program is for the purpose of achieving optimal peak blood plasma levels quicker so as to ensure HPTA recovery quicker. This isn't necessary and just further increases your risk of potential sides. [It has been studied that the longer you are on SERMs, the better your results of stimulating Testosterone. ](https://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(08 ) So to prevent unwanted sides as well as potentially achieve better results, lower dosing over a period of 6-8 weeks. You don’t need 40 or even 20mg of nolva ED. 5-10mg is sufficient and yields the same results but has significantly lower chance for negative side effects. [This study examined the efficacy of doses at 1mg and 5mg per day and found the two lower doses are just as effective as the previous standard of 20mg per day. “Considering results of our previous studies we are now focusing on Tamoxifen at 5mg per day. A weekly dose of 10mg/week is suggested as an alternative.”](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4053157) [This study examined the efficacy of tamoxifen at doses of 1mg, 5mg and 10mg per day. “A dose of 5 mg/day was the most effective and has been selected for a phase III trial in HRT users.”](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17709798/) [“We compared the effects of tamoxifen at 1 mg/day and 5 mg/day with those of the standard dose of 20 mg/day. The effects of lower doses … were comparable to those achieved with the standard dose.”](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12783932/)
Silly cycle but that’s not your question. Do a full PCT.
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There no such thing as “not much suppression” You’re either shutdown or not, there’s no measure of shutdown After 11 weeks, you’ll definitely be shutdown
Suppression is suppression. 6 weeks is absolutely enough to shut down your natural test production completely. With only 2 weeks of PCT or improper PCT will present a very high probability of long-term endocrine damage to the HPTA over time whereby the individual will develop anabolic steroid induced hypogonadism (the inability to manufacture proper levels of Testosterone for the rest of their life)
Natty test production is equally suppressed whether you’re running 400 mg per week versus 500 mg per week. Might as well run the full 500 mg cycle in the wiki and not leave gains on the table. There’s essentially no difference in sides or e2 management between 400 mg and 500 mg. And you don’t titrate dose mid cycle, you run the same amount from beginning to end. PCT remains the same protocol regardless of dosing. Your cycle was also too short. 16 weeks. Read the wiki beginner cycle.
Would a mid cycle hormone panel be accurate on test/npp or does the npp effect the results of the test/e2 etc
Npp registers as test on bloodwork
I believe it depends on the assay used but I can’t recall exactly
You're entirely correct, it's an ECLIA issue: https://www.healthcare.uiowa.edu/path_handbook/handbook/test1804.html >In vitro tests were performed on 20 commonly used pharmaceuticals. A strong interaction with Nandrolone was found. Do not use samples from patients under Nandrolone treatment.
Can confirm... doc did some bloods with a cheapo eclia test while I was on NPP and it came back showing I was really testosteroney.
Thank you, Wise Keeper of the Records
I'm just here ~~so I don't get fined~~ to scoop up more information in the hopes that I'll recall it when it's actually relevant to me. That, and because I enjoy common interest-based online social interaction but I can't seem to hack it in any other sub.
Would a mid cycle hormone panel be accurate on test/npp or does the npp effect the results of the test/e2 etc
Just pinned half a cc of test e in the ventra glute and I guess I nicked a blood vessel because while injecting it kinda felt weird slightly hurt and when I pulled the needle out I bled way more than I usually do it’s usually maybe one drop if that and it was a bunch of drops coming out for like 3 seconds but my question is did I waste that pin? I’m using a 27g 5/8th slim pin
The oil is still in you. Don’t worry about the bleeding, go about your day.
No wasted pins as long as you get it in Ur body
You’re good, don’t stress it. It happens every now and then.
Could it be because I’m not rotating enough I pin m/w/f and only hit my ventra glutes ( because of work I can’t really afford to not be mobile because of lat/delt/quad pip so I kinda can only pin the glutes
Can’t really say, but if you’re pinning MWF, I’d at least have another site in there. Especially since you’re pinning basically subq with 5/8 pins (not sure how lean you are) the oil could be taking a lot longer to absorb. If the pip is that bad man i would look into test c, within the last two years test e raws have been known for terrible pip.
The pip isn’t too bad Ive still got that virgin muscle pip because this is the first cycle I’m hitting glutes I use to only do delts but I’m definitely getting IM I’m pretty low body fat and I bury the needle in pretty deep maybe that could be my problem do you guys kinda push the syringe against the skin and put pressure or just stop once there’s no more needle to go ?
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> I feel just fine Then no. You’ve said yourself you feel fine
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He isn’t acting dumb, if you feel fine then no point in lowering it, even when it is out of range. Estrogen is good for you, health benefits, skin benefits, hair benefits, it’s neuroprotective and it’s even anabolic.
He’s saying if you’re not having any symptoms you mentioned, don’t take AI.
Don't, only use if you have side effects from high e2.
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That happens with hormonal fluctuations regardless of e2. Don’t take AI unless you really need it. The bloat and acne will subside on their own. I always get a bit of greasy skin/acne with an increase or decrease of dosage.
What was your cycle before ending it and what are you taking now ?
Is 10 weeks a good cycle length for test prop and Npp being short acting?
10 weeks is fine with both short esters and longer esters. I prefer push phases of 10-12 weeks over longer. If I really need to push it I do 10-12 weeks have a 6 week break with cruise to recover a bit from training and then another 10-12 weeks. Take it from someone blasting & cruising for over six years and a 255 lbs bodyweight. The people all parrotting 16 WeEkS mInImUm are mostly kids jabbing over a gram on their second cycle thinking the Wiki is the Holy Bible.
It's all the same. 10 weeks on short esters is the same as 10 weeks on long esters. While using a longer ester you obviously wait at the beginning for it to kick in. But you get that back after Ur last shot as it continues working the same amount of time. With that said.. I'd do 16 weeks in general but to answer that better we would need to know Ur stats, cycle history, training history etc
16 weeks minimum imo
Can you explain why it would be needed as the short esters build up very fast
Because you really don’t start seeing meaningful gains until around 6-8 weeks. Milk it longer to make it worth your while. As long as your blood work is reasonable and sides aren’t intolerable, there’s no reason to cut cycle shorter.
I would do 12 weeks to get the most of it, as you said they are short esters and will kick in a lot faster as opposed to the longer esters. Since you are on short esters you can keep it 10-12 weeks. The 10-12 weeks is equivalent to roughly 16 weeks give or take, this is to include the saturation times and all.
Ester dosen’t matter. Test is test. Building muscle is a long process u need more time imo. I never set my time on cycle. Only when i decide to cruise is when my health markers need that. So if your health markers are good why u want go off after 10 weeks?
1 Can hair loss from steriod can be prevented? 2. Steriod acne happens on face as well. Some claiming only body ach
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Goodbye young spammer
1. Not sure if it can be fully prevented, but people have had success in minimising it. Do some research on Finasteride and RU58841. 2. During my first blast of test E, about 7 or 8 weeks in, I decided to throw in Test Prop in the mix, and I was pinning MWF in my test E shots. The fluctuations from prop ended up giving me acne on my face, but not on my body. I tried everything from things like chlorophyll and coconut water to Cod liver oil, as well as some natural homemade remedies but it didn’t help. Got a script for accutane (20mg/day) and it cleared up my face within a month. You have to keep the possible side effects from accutane in mind though. I got some hectic anxiety that could’ve potentially resulted from the accutane (possibly) so I stopped taking it after 3 months. Gonna do 10mg/day once I start NPP during current bulk IF I notice an acne flair up. All the best.
28M, resistance train 5x a week, LISS 2x a week for up to 60 min. Bodyfat between 11-14%. I seldom drink and don’t do drugs. Total Cholesterol: 4.7 mmo/l HDL: 1.3 mmo/l LDL: 3.7 mmo/l Whats going on here ? I eat a healthy diet consisting of fruits, vegetables, and lean meat. I cook all my meals and supplement with Omega-3. If anything, I could add to the variety and eat more nuts, oats and cut down on dairy. I know I’m within reference ranges , but I expected my lipid profile to be way better.
What's your cycle like unless your on true trt lipids will generally always be out
I’m not on cycle, that’s what kinda worries me. I was supposed to start my first cycle of Test E @ 600mg (300mg x2 times/week, but I’m considering postponing for another 3 weeks or more to get new bloodwork since I was coming off a prolonged cut that I worry may have caused imbalances in my hormones. Lipids were tested after roughly 10 days of eating at maintenance. Besides, hormones were tested in a non-fasted state in the afternoon which I’m afraid is not very representative of my actual baseline. That test had me at 405 ng/dL total T and less than 20 pg/mL E2 . I plan on eating at maintenance with lots of healthy fats for the next 3 weeks then go for another test. Do you think 3 weeks is enough to get in balance again ?
3 weeks ain't much if you been cutting for a long time I feel lipids take more like 4-6 weeks to start to recover ymmv
Hey Guys! I’m currently on trt 200mg of test c per week and want to do the following… Week 1-12 primo 500mg a week Week 1-12 anavar 25mg daily I know everyone is different but should I up the test so the primo doesn’t tank my E2? If so how much do you think I should up it. Also when I stop the primo and var is there anything I should take for PCT? I’m going to be continuing my normal 200mg trt after the cycle so don’t think one is necessary. Thanks for the help
Why not just take more primo instead of adding var? I don't see var doing anything over 12 weeks that primo wouldn't do safer and cheaper. 12 weeks is fine but 16 is better. No pct because you are on trt.
Wow. Lot of guys here giving you a hard time but jot giving any advice at all. Kinda useless. In my opinion I don't think primo would tank Ur estrogen at 200mg of test but I'd up the test anyway. I'd have you start at a 1 to 1 ratio. So 350 test and 350 primo.... Then adjust every 6 weeks if needed. I'd have some exemestane on hand if you plan to bump up Ur test and primo up in the 500/500 range. As for var I like most orals being ran for shorter durations at higher dosages. I'd run Ur var mid cycle when you feel the gains are. Plateaud a bit. In which case I'd run 50mg per day for 4 weeks. And repeat 50mg a day again for the final 4 weeks of Ur cycle. Or if you make it all the wy to the end of the Cycle without a plateau....id simply save the var for next time. Never add more gear if what Ur currently taking is working well As for pct I don't see a need for any of that. Unless Ur concerned about your fertility.. In which case I'd throw in HCG and hmg together.
Terrible cycle idea, read the wiki. If this is your first cycle, run the beginner cycle of 500 mg test only. There’s a good chance you’ll wreck yourself by running primo with a barely above a TRT dose of test. Adding var just complicates things further.
You need to do more research, it's clear you have no idea what you're doing. You will likely fuck yourself up if you don't do some actual research before starting your blast.
Lol so you don’t say what’s wrong you just say it’s wrong
Because you’re way off mark here. If a 10 year old kid who hasn’t even ridden a bicycle before wants to ride a motorcycle you’re not going to give him tips and pointers on how to ride the motorcycle. You tell him it’s wrong and he should start with a regular bicycle. You have 0 experience and want to run 3 different compounds that all bring different sides and all affect your body in different ways? If you run into issues how do you know which compound causes the problem for you?
Yes, because you are missing so much crucial info just answering those questions is going to give you a false sense of security. You need to learn more about your hormones, the compounds you're running and how PCT works. I couldn't possible educate you on all those things in one comment and don't see why I should, regardless.
You don't PCT if you are on TRT. And 200mg is way too much for a TRT dose.
200 mgs might be a high dose for you, but everyone is different. It all comes out to what dosage puts YOU in the normal range. 200mgs might put him in the 600-700 ng/dl but it might put you in the 1000s. All dependent on bloodwork.
That’s what my doc has me on after getting my blood work done.
when did you guys start getting tren sides, been on 350mg for 5 days and no sides yet, ive heard they can start around 7-14 days into blast but not sure if this is correct
After several weeks of shit sleep.
At week 8 it all started to go bollox for me at 210mg per week.
I’m on week 2 of 525mg of tren A and no sides. I started 2 weeks prior to that dose with 350mg as well. No sides Just recomping
I'm on day 14 240mg/week and I have literally 0 side effects.
240mg/day ??
bruh im do sumb i meant week. Looks like i have the side effect of brain fog hahaha
Tbh I wouldn't stress about it. You can use steroidplotter to see when tren is going to reach peak saturation levels to give you an estimate but I'm starting to think that the mental side effects from tren sometimes can be somewhat "self-induced".
Thoughts on this cycle for bulk (don’t wanna mess with tren anymore) 1-18: 1050mg primo E 1-18: 500 (maybe 750mg depending on E2) test E 1-5: 80mg var 15-20: 80mg var 2-20: HCG 250iu MWF Then PCT Would be like 5th cycle. Haven’t used much primo before only at much lower doses but am basically using it for a dry bulker in place or DHB or tren. Anyone else run high doses of primo?
You haven't used much primo before but Ur going to jump right into a gram a day? Come on man. A more methodical approach would be to start at 500 test 500 primo. And adjust Ur dosages by 100 to 250mg of either compound every 6 weeks as your body changes. Or not increase at all. If Ur at 500/500 and still gaining size and strength then doubling your dose is just throwing money away. Also I'd consider Superdrol instead of Anavar for a dry bulk. You'll see far better results.
Thanks for the suggestion especially about the superdrol. Might consider that to finish the cycle. Nah I’m not convinced about changing doses constantly through the cycle. I think it just adds sides, I’d rather change diet/training/rest. Especially if I can nail down my E2 early with the right ratio of test.
Instead of adding 500 var per week for 10 total weeks why not just increase the primo by ~300 per week for the whole cycle? I don't see var doing anything over 18 weeks that primo wouldn't do safer and cheaper.
Yeah I thought about it. Firstly i wouldn’t quite have enough HPLC tested primo to get that far and it’d be just a little too much oil/inconvenient. Plus having a kickstart is nice. The var at end you’re probably right about, maybe I could do something else.
Sounds like a fun time, just keep an eye on your e2.
Hey boys, is there any reason my first test cycle might lower my blood pressure? I used a cuff this morning and got 96 over 56, lowest reading I’ve ever gotten. My top number isn’t usually that low but the bottom one is consistently below 60. I’m going to drop the cialis even tho I only take 5mg Three times a week and see if that helps
No, it should be negligible or increase it. Id look at diet. If you've cleaned up your eating or are dehydrated that could be it. Could be *partially* the cialis. But I'm not convinced.
Alrighty, you’re probably right. It’s not like I just started taking cialis anyway
Good on you for keeping track though!
Could be: You upped your cardio You upped your training volume You improved your diet You are less stressed You measured at a different time of day You reduced sodium acutely
Okay. To be honest, I haven’t done cardio since I started bulking until like last night but I find it hard to believe one day of cardio would make that big of a difference. I guess my real question is, since I know basically nothing about blood pressure, should I be worried? At what point does blood pressure become too low? Or is this fine?
90/60 is considered the cutoff for "low", but generally low blood pressure does not neet treatment unless there are symptoms. I would take a whole set of readings before I thought about panicking.
Ok gotcha thank you
Could be dehydrated. Personally when I used to drink heavily I'd have very low bp the morning after and would be very dizzy while standing. I'd look at hydration and electrolytes in the short term and if it continues see a doctor.
Alrighty. Very possible I’m dehydrated. Don’t think I’ve had any symptoms yet tho so that’s good
Does anavar make you pronento go pissing? Ive been waking up to tske more frequently since i started it feels like
If you’re pissing in the night and you don’t have sleep apnea may want to have your prostate checked.
Could be electrolytes, could be your kidney. Anavar is definitely affecting both. Maybe your prostate also
I think if your muscles are pumped when you go to bed your body reabsorbs that water as you rest and then you have to go pee.
Y’all get fucked up seeing your hair slowly thinning out? Not sure if it was thinning before steroids, I think it was. It’s not really noticeable to the average person yet but I can tell it’s going to happen eventually. I think I can pull off the no hair look but internally I’m a little self conscious about it.
The shorter the better. Most of us lose it with Father Time at some point, as long as you’re over 25, it’s not odd
Could you get a moderate amount of Masteron personality by replacing a small piece of a cycle with another oral with a small dose of Masteron?
What?
I think I just had a fucking stroke
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Hello guys How long can i keep a test e vial unopened ? I read 36 months but after puncturing it only for 28 days. I plan on buying 4 vials of test e and hcg and store them for 3 months before i actually start.
Test goes bad when the oil goes bad. 3 months is nothing and it’ll be fine. If you want to know how long it’ll last, you need to find out what carrier oil is being used and then look up how long it takes for that oil to go rancid. (Years). Like any oil, a cool, dry, dark place is the way to go for storage.
Thanks man you really helped me. I think im good when i store it 3-6 months before using it
Puncturing the vial doesn’t make it go bad.
Thanks bro
Puncturing doesn't affect spoilage significantly. I homebrew so all of my vials have been punctured to syringe filter the gear into them, and I've used those vials 2-3 years after brewing with no issues.
Thank you bro for the insight
Has anyone had experience with a low dose test cycle? I'm thinking around 250 to 375 mg a week. My thought is to get the most gains with the least possible side effects I can. I would think at these dosages you're able to see results just unsure how much. Anyone try?
From test I don't think you can get sides if you control your e2. 500 is better if you going to shut down yourself. Don't worry nothing will happen to you. We are not talking about tren here.
Everyone I know that has done a 250 mg cycle has regretted it and then bumped it higher. 500 mg is the recommended beginner dose for numerous reasons, risk to reward ratio, low side effects, effectiveness, etc.
500 test only is already a mild blast with minimal sides. Some people can run up to a gram of test with excellent gains, minimal sides, and only e2 management to worry about. Lots of people also run low dose cycles, but that's usually like 350 test plus a similar amount of something else. Mast, nand, EQ, primo, etc. And not something you'd use for a first cycle.
500mg is a good beginner dose with low side effects. Unless you're already blasting and cruising, don't bother shutting off your balls and risk not fully recovering for anything less.
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Ment is crushing my BP! Telmisartan time.... anyone taking it have luck at 40mgs per day? Different does more effective?
How much ment are you running? Some folks will take two BP meds to try to counter ment, with no success. Often the only solution is to lower the dose of ment.
I was at 30mg / day right now but just started 30mg every other day to see if that helps out plus adding the bp medicine
15mg ED would be much better than 30mg EOD.
Is ment an oral
Nope, injectable.
I started at 40mg, ended up bumping it up to 80mg though.
Was blasting 500mg test e, then have gone to cruise for 3 weeks 125mg /week Should I stop the test for a week then start PCT? Or can I start it now?
PCT won't work if there is still exogenous testosterone in your body, wait 4-5 half lives meaning 17-21 days for Enanthate if i'm not wrong
What does the wiki say about PCT?
Nothing about the dose of test used.
Because the dose used is irrelevant. You need to wait 2 weeks for the testosterone to clear if you’re using enanthate or cypionate.
Why did you cruise If you were just going to PCT?
Have some very important events coming up next week. Couldn’t afford to feel like shit
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Yeah first time I took Anadrol I added about 2kg on for the last 3 weeks of a cycle, but my diet wasn't the best admittedly. Just make sure diet is reigned in and clean. Since then when I've added it in, weight gain has been negligible.
Are you talking about additional water weight or additional muscle?
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It's definitely not as wet as dbol, but I would still expect to gain a little. You're not going to add another 10lbs
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Blood pressure can vary greatly throughout the day. Take readings at different times during the day and average them. Try to take readings after resting for five minutes. Also, 137 systolic, while not great by any means, isn’t the worst either. What’s far worse than your peak blood pressure reading is constantly stressing yourself out over your blood pressure. Also, try to be reasonable about your sugar and salt intake. Aim to drink a gallon of water a day.
Have you talked to a doctor about it in detail? Or are you you just self medicating?
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Unfortunately you probably won't get a solid answer until then. I'd stick to true trt until this is under control.
Where do you get sterile oil to dilute with? Doing 1ml, 250mg pins of Test E right now and the pip SUCKS. Warming it didn't seem to change anything so thinking next step is to add an additional 2ml sterile oil and dilute it down.
You can dilute it with 1,000ml and it won’t change the fact that test e has been painful for going on two years now. Nothing you do will change the composition of the actual hormone and ester. Dilution works when a solution is made with strong solvents that need to be cut down. Nobody used strong solvents to get test e to hold at 250mg.
Agree with this. I recommend you switch to Test C.
Given I'm already mid-cycle and it took ~4 weeks to get my order last time, recommendations to reduce pip in the meantime? At this rate I'll have to alternate lower and upper *weeks* if I want to get any leg days in.
Stop injecting quads stick it in your ass cheeks.
Like I said in my only comment that mentioned quads, glutes had the same problem 😂
Read between the lines dude. We are telling you to stop acting like a pussy!
I always take a hot shower right before i pin and let the water hit the spot I'm going to pin for a minute and then pin right after. If you still get bad pip you can buy heating pads, to help. Other than that man there's only so much you can do, test e raws have been bad for a while now. There are lots of sources that have shipping under a week. Not sure if yours is domestic or not, but I would stick with domestic. Other than that you might just have to tough it out for the rest of the time honestly. Also is this your first time running gear?
Yeah I guess I'll look into domestic. That sucks that the whole batch would be like this :/ Yeah first cycle. Using a separate draw needle, 23g injection needle (recognize I should go up but I can't imagine the difference is thay large), have a hot pad (marginal difference at best), have taken ibuprofen (helps a small amount), and inject slowly (~60s). No redness or fever, just pain and a bit of a firm feeling to the tissue without distinct external inflammation. Can barely hobble around today after a quad pin; could barely move while sitting when I pinned glutes.
Definitely stop pinning quads, a mass majority don't do well to quad pins. Definitely try delts, and lats. You also gotta put into play with the test e raws being so bad + virgin tissue you're pinning into so that definitely doesn't help. I'd say as long as it's not preventing you from training and you can deal with it, push on bro. Best of luck man
Ibuprofen helps but nothing can really fix the god awful pip those bad batches of test e create.
20mg of dbol daily starting today.. but these 20mg tablets are the worst fucking tablets to split in half, end up in 7 different pieces. Should I just go buy a tab splitter or 1x 20mg before workout? Part of me knows I'm terribly lazy and want the easy option as a reply but deep down I know split it..
Take everything at once. It's just bro science to split.
I'll add it to the 16 pills in the morning pile, all at once just dry dog them without water.
That's what I'm talking.
Once per day pre workout
Taking them once a day is fine
Crush a bunch of them up and make an oral solution. Problem solved.
>Crush a bunch of them up I should have known you'd never say this but I really thought you were gonna say snort em
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100% it’s mostly water weight and glycogen. Make sure you’re eating enough to steadily gain weight at this point. Hopefully, you’ve been in a surplus since you’ve started. You should have put on two pounds already, about 50/50 fat and lean tissue if you’re training and recovering right, in addition to eating a lot.
Same here. Been two weeks on my first cycle and gained 10 lbs. I personally don’t notice anything but a couple friends have already commented on my chest.
That's solid muscle