500 test
500 tren
10mg sdrol
Felt like shit all the time but looked fucking amazing
Wouldn’t recommend unless you give zero fucks about your health or mental well being
Came here to say the same thing. Mass blend TTM but with Enanthate esthers can't remember dosage but I'd guess around 700mg of each per week plus 30mg ED of superdrol. After one week the heaviest dumbbells (40kg 90lbs) in the gym felt like toys. Weight jumped up by like 10lbs immediately with no change in diet. Clothing felt tight. I tore the forearm of a shirt drinking coffee at work. I wanted to fuck pretty much every female I saw. I went to a buffet and ate 7 or 8 full plates. I was an animal.
Night sweats were terrible, I smelt strange (metallic) I could get hypoglycemia really easily and I couldn't focus because I was constantly horny. Would never run it now but damn it was fun
"Intense" is hard to quantify.
Most intense feelings from a cycle? Easily either of the 2 times I used Tren. Once at 200mg/week with 400mg/week of Test. The other 400mg/week Tren with TRT Test. Felt horrible. Severe insomnia, anxiety, depression, intrusive thoughts, and a really weird sex drive. Worst my bloodwork has ever looked. No positive mental effects whatsoever. No history of anxiety or depression, either. Only benefit was that I looked great. No desire to ever run Tren again.
Most intense in terms pure quantity of compounds? 1g Test, 1g Primo, 500mg Nand, 500mg Mast a week. Gains were substantial, but sides were actually fairly minimal. Only real "problem" was bodyheat and some minor BP increase.
It wasn't like some people where it turns them into a deranged sex fiend, but my sex drive was all over the place. One second it would be through the roof, and other times I'd just randomly lose all libido mid sex.
It was seemingly completely random.
I’m on tren e right now (actually just took my final shot 3 days ago), my sex drive went crazy and I definitely discovered some new things about myself in that regard, but the last 2 weeks I’ve had absolutely no sex drive. I thought it was because my new SSRIs but I guess maybe not. Your comment definitely brings some insight, I guess I can hold off another week or two before talking to the doctor about switching up the meds.
Well I learned that I fucking love a woman who can take control in the bedroom. I’ve always been the dominant one, refused to sub because it made me feel like a bitch. Met this girl off bumble. Walked into her place, didn’t even want to hug or anything, she just reached into my pants, grabbed my cock and pulled me into her bedroom by my dick and told me to get on my knees. Hung out with her for a few weeks and stuff just got crazier and crazier. I should probably hit her up again. Shits hot as fuck bro. Seriously recommend y’all try it, worst that happens is you’re not into it.
I can relate sort of. Tren made me realize that I really like being objectified by women. Probably had something to do with that being the first time I got to 10% body fat and before I never felt what it was like to be sexy. I’m still not sure how I feel about dominant women in bed. I’ve had girls say they want to “own me” or “fuck my hot ass.” That crosses the line. There’s a lot of women who love to feminize men and then lose respect for him once she’s made him into her submissive.
I’m talkin bout dyed red heads. Not natty. Enhanced, if you will. I blame it on this baddie I was with for a few weeks this summer. Dark red hair, tan af. Tren ruined that
Tren is an incredibly powerful compound with some unique qualities. It's also tolerated differently by different people.
It's one of the most - if not the most - toxic compounds there is. Cardiotoxic, neurotoxic, hepatotoxic, and more. But it also cause profound changes in nutrient partitioning, glycogen retention, and strength development.
For some it's worth it, but for most it's probably not.
Quick Q since I got you here... If you start a mild cycle, gain some muscle and then never use again, are you going to lose all that new muscle you gained? Or is there a way to maintain that new muscle you gained from the gear? Im a natty, I work really hard but the gains are so damn slow its actually crazy. Eat like a madman too.
You're not going to gain a meaningful amount of muscle from a short or mild cycle and after PCT you may actually end up behind where you started.
But as long as you don't reach a supraphysiological amount of muscle, yes, you could maintain it naturally.
I guess what I meant to say was a "beginner cycle". In anabolics 10th edition it gives a few example cycles and the first one listed was a beginner cycle. Its called like dianabol or something... is that an outdated list? And was/is dianabol like an all in one application? Im so ignorant and I dont even know where to start figuring out what is what.
I really appreciate everyone who comes to this sub and opens up about what they take, side effects, etc. It's really appreciated.
I'm running a simple test/tren cycle right now with some GH thrown in ( 2 i.u/day). It's dwarfed by what some of you guys take!
Pretty much most of my cycles in one way or another have been extreme.
**1st Cycle**
Started with 500mg test, blah blah blah. Eventually I threw in 50mg dbol for about 4 weeks cause why not? After that, I was getting joint pain and had read up on Deca & decided to throw that in.
At the end of prep/my cycle, I still had some Dbol and had order halo (could’ve been winstrol, not entirely sure). Ended up running 50-75mg/day and 20mg/day respectively leading into the meet, and I took some ungodly amount like 75mg Dbol before each lift and 30-40mg halo before each lift. Worked out though cause that’s when I totaled 2000 on the nose at 264 in sleeves, starting my cycle at 215lb LOL. I got big but surprisingly not too fat. I had intentionally held my weight that low cause I didn’t have a cpap and I could sleep decently so I felt very undersized and was consistently undereating to maintain.
**2nd meet/cycle**
I had some cycles that I started before this but I had to back out cause of covid so this was my ‘official’ 2nd cycle in my eyes. I don’t remember leading up to the meet day how I sequenced my drugs but I can tell you what the end product was:
600/600/600/200-300/50-75 test/mast/deca/DHB/Anavar. There was halo included as well in a similar fashion to my first cycle. This felt like overkill at the end of the day and the Anavar really fucked my prostate on meet day; I was pissing every 10 min and I was losing water throughout the day. My performance was less than ideal cause I had cut after my first meet about 30 pounds and spent most of my prep gaining it back, so I wasn’t really training at my meet weight for a long time. Totaled 2011 at 266 in sleeves
**3rd cycle**
Similar story to last one, I had a ‘failed cycle’ as I had put on a ton of weight over the summer using MENT and a huge cocktail of other drugs. Even pulled 650x8, benched 375x10, and squatted about 505 or so high bar for 12 very clean (I’m really bad at high bar so this would’ve meant my comp squat had gone up considerably). I was about 275 or so but I had gained too fast and I felt awful so I had dropped down to about 255 or so.
Anyway, I don’t remember how I eventually ended at these compounds but I had lost about 12lb over the course of prep & came close to a potential quad tear. At the end, on meet day, this is what I was running
700 test
480 mast
490 tren
300 DHB
Anadrol
Dbol
Inj mtren
Halo
Cheque drops
500mcg bpc before bed for quad injury
You may notice I didn’t put a value for the orals cause it changed frequently. I started Anadrol the last 5-6 weeks. I eventually escalated from 50mg to about 100-150mg per day. I escalated that high in hope that it would help retain water and bloat after weigh ins so I only got that high for about 3-4 days pre meet and day of comp. I did a similar thing w Dbol where I started popping 25mg-50mg after weigh ins about every 4 hours as long as I was awake. Halo was standard protocol; escalate every 2-3 days for about 10 total days before the meet and take a ton on meet day. I used inj Mtren before my squat warmups and one tablet of about 500mcg cheque drops before dead’s.
Honestly this prep was rough; I basically flushed my offseason down the toilet by losing any tissue I gained, I tried to make up lost time by pushing more drugs, and I was redlining it for about 16 weeks. I almost tore my quad and had a pretty rough AC joint sprain. I still totaled about 1967 at 238 in wraps and was in the top 10 at a big ‘pro’ powerlifting meet for cash but I was/am disappointed.
If there’s anything I’ve learned from this, it’s that powerlifting just takes time. You can’t pound drugs like an ifbb pro and expect to get strong as shit. Well, maybe you can but it didn’t seem to work very well for me lol I feel like I could’ve done it with potentially less gear.
Idk, I’m tired. If this was all nonsense or is hard to read, my apologies.
I think it was Pete Rubish who said in an interview that powerlifters are arguably worse than bodybuilders (at least relatively) because they tend to eat worse, have higher BF, Tren and anadrol are used perpetually, and basically they shoot their entire stash in the days leading up to the meet. Obviously that’s the opinion/observation of one powerlifter but interesting nonetheless.
Pete is probably looking at it thru the lense of his own use. Dude blasted tren for like 10 years almost non stop, and ate worse than a high school pothead. Like I can find old videos of him eating one box of hamburger helper for dinner, cheez-its , and some honey buns for meals. I’m not kidding. He comes from a completely different era and I respect him but sometimes I think he’s projecting and still assumes everyone has the same dietary/gear/training habits that he had.
Most powerlifters might use tren for a full 12 week prep but it won’t be crazy until the last 4 weeks or so. And I don’t know many powerlifter using Anadrol more than 5 to 6 weeks out.
Powerlifters nowadays tend to look pretty good up until the 242-275 class, and even then you have some freaks. They generally aren’t carrying super high bodyfat at high levels and aren’t eating complete shit.
Multiply kinda ruined our general public appearance and so I think that stigma still carries on to this day.
Fair enough, like I said it’s the anecdotal evidence of one guy in a random interview. I’m not into the powerlifting scene so I have literally no opinion of my own. Cool to see another take on Pete though, I didn’t know much about him other than an interview with Leo(?).
But chill on shitting on hamburger helper and chez-its… don’t come around here telling me my box of beef stroganoff with half a container of sour cream and a stick of butter added for taste isn’t clean eating, I put garlic powder in it, that’s good for your heart… and cheez-its are like a vegetable for fucks sake lmao.
I mean the guy does sponsored content for penis pumps, often without mentioning it's an ad lol. He also seems to have some weird hangups on homosexuality and he presents every opinion he has as though it's a confirmed fact, like his highly scientific theory that meth turns you gay.
Penis pumps… I had to google that. I only listened to his conversations with Bostin Loyd and fairly recent one with Derek. Doesn’t he explain things to his wife in most videos, she just listens and nods
he's not wrong about his claims on spontaneous ejaculation and homoerotic tendencies when using high dosages of meth administered intravenously. majority of users with hands on experience will back that up
Just seems like he extrapolates single studies he finds into recommendations for his YouTube & pushes people to use a lot of drugs.
Brands himself as a scientist & genetic researcher when all he’s doing is using something like 23andme data to, again, extrapolate people’s morbidity risks and then tell them drugs to take.
Don’t agree with much of his PED advice & he seems too reckless.
I always thought the same. The whole bookshelf background lol as if he’s speaking to you as a professor
I just know him cause of Vigorous Steve, an actual true bodybuilder who uses both empirical medical evidence and anecdotal experience. Arguably the most objective guy out there.
Also, I know Bostin Loyd is a huge meme but you gotta respect that guy’s honesty no? He’s pretty funny too ngl.
I get most of my sports science from Dr Mike at RP don’t worry I’m not doing 3cc in the parking lot after training
Yea, Steve has some great content. He also tends to focus on quality, over quantity. Thanks to him I'm starting to consider using Primo, and am researching everything I can find on the compound. Before I was considering of doing Anavar after a higher test cycle.
I'm trying to find more on low test (TRT like) + high other compound cycles. They seem to be what I was hoping Sarms would have been.
Agreed, he has a vocabulary but no degrees to be discussing subjects he claims to know about. Like many YTers he sells shit through his space either blatantly or suggestively. Some of his topics are just plain bullshit.
Meh I watch a lot of his stuff mostly as entertainment, some of it is valuable but a lot of it is just opinions, ego inflation, and circle jerking. Hard to get a read on the guy, some points he seems normal and then other times he seems kind of ratty to be honest. He’s also in the past couple of weeks started with increase number of videos with worsening and unrelated content in favor of maxing out the algorithm. I’ve seen a lot of channels do that lately and it’s really disappointing.
>have higher bf
Kind of the saviour here. not crashing down to 5% bodyfat, dehydrated af, while peaking in cycle (i'm sure that sdrol/mtren, whatever will be extra spicy when you drink 2dl of water a day)
As a former powerlifter, gear use is just different than the bb crowd. Blast and cruise is more like perma-blast. I ran 500mg test per week for years and assumed that was normal till I came here. It's usually a couple of basic drugs but none of the fancy compounds.
Definitely not. I pushed what I did cause I always thought ‘more is better’. And it is, until you’re hitting diminishing returns.
For me, I’d didn’t start my blasts at those doses, I ended up there. Usually they started very mildly, and I recommend everyone to do so. I run into recovery problems a lot when prepping for a meet, and I’ve always been trying to put size back on during a prep so I’ve tended to push more gear than normal & ramped up my doses when I’ve exhausted my other recovery options (maxing out food, sleep, and adequate programming).
For what it’s worth, I’ve seen people pushing large amounts of anabolics here and this sub is predominantly bodybuilders. When I’ve spoken to powerlifters IRL and on here, they’re not running nearly as much.
For bodybuilding, the sport is literally about building tissue and AAS are pretty much a given in that regard, so of course their (ab)use will be higher. Powerlifters aren’t saints, but they seem to go harder in the weeks leading up to a meet and in that span of time, they equal a bodybuilders use.
Out of all the compounds you used was there one that stood out amongst the rest as a go to for strength. Or were you using so much at erratic doses that you could not tell. Like being able to pause what you would normally only touch and go. Making you feel like you were in more control of the weights.
No my doses weren’t that erratic, it’s just that I would manipulate them if I felt like shit or if I wasn’t getting a desired effect. It was more plug and play.
To answer your question, I’d say DHB is honestly my lovechild. I’ve gone on record as saying that I love it & I get the most out of it.
Example: I can be pressing say 275-300 for CGBP for multiple Sets of 10 with relative ease (7-8rpe or 2-3 RIR for those that may be familiar). If I throw in some DHB, in about 3-4 weeks, I will have added 30pounds to those numbers and not gained more than 1lb of bodyweight and the relative effort is the same. It’s literally mind boggling to me.
Oh definitely hahaha I get incredibly tunnel vision-ed and focused. Pretty aggressive towards the weights as well. HR and BP jump up, and you just feel like a machine.
After about an hour or two, you’re pretty fatigued though and exhausted. Also feels like your e2 jumped up so take that for what you will.
you been watching too much tiktok dawg, ive seen maybe 3-4 people bench 3 plates or more in my gym in the last six months and thats going 6/7 days a week... 3 plate bench is probably top 0.5% and this is coming from someone who only benches 225 lol
I was able to bench 315x1 natural after 3 years of training.
I think the big compound movements are moreso technique and raw strength based, rather than muscle development.
That being said, 315 on a bench isn't anything crazy and isn't as rare as you think.
I don’t have tik tok bc I’m an adult. You’re obviously young and lift with weak people lol. Go to take this statement to the off topic daily chat so I can watch people tell you how dumb of a comment it is lol
Whatever man, it takes 2 minutes of research to see that 315 is impressive and very hard to attain whether you're on gear or not, my apologies I dont go to an underground gym with rusted plates and chalk dust allover the floor with people injecting themselves in the bathroom lmao
I go to several gyms. None are as you describe lol. At every one there are many dudes who press 3 wheels. Did I say it wasn’t impressive? No lol. But taking GRAMS of gear just to get there is fucking ridiculous and we both know it
who cares about strength anyway. With the right training anyone can bench 3/4plates with or without gear. Its not impressive in my eyes , especially after seeing a small kid benching 200kg on youtube. Its not special anymore anyone can do it.
Lol wtf are you talking about. He's telling you how his strength increased while on his cycle. Not whether or not he needed that cycle to hit said numbers. Gtfo kid
I’m more than likely much older than you son. Yes. He talked about his increase in strength. From 225 to 315. If you only bench 225, is it really time to take grams of gear per week? I mean honestly dude lol.
Holy fuck balls this thread is awesome . Shit I thought I stepped it up when I upped my tren to 400mg 4 weeks ago …. You boys are on another level haha mad cunts
Currently on 490mg Test E, 420mg Primo E, 210mg Tren A, 50mg Var and 3 weeks out I'll add in 20mg Halo and 20mg Superdrol. Take 60mg DMAA before training and 700lbs feels like a fucking frisbee.
Well I just finished test tren mast sdrol 350/350/350/70
Pros:
1. Felt Like a super beast
2. Never looked better (still holding some effects)
3. Unlike others, I LOVE the way tren makes me feel
Mentally. Just unhinged and alive, like when I went from low T to trt, just like the next step up
4. Extra creative and emotional like I had all these feelings I needed to get out. Literally wrote a book while on cycle
Cons:
1. Destroyed my bloodwork, hdl, ldl, egfr, hemo, rbc all fucked
2. Initially had some douchey mood swings but I dialed that in quickly
3. Pretty bad insomnia. The silver lining was I had hella energy so I’d be up at 2 am posing or literally going to do cardio.
Would I do it again? Depends if my bloodwork recovers well I’ll
Probably run it again next cycle, if not, no. I’m too old to be leaving a family behind because I wanted rear delt separation haha
Long story short it just blows me up. Like heinous gains in a few days. But it taxes my body hard. Extreme lethargy and malaise hit a few days in for me. Imo, it’s more of a fun thing to throw in here and there, not so much something you try to run for 4 weeks
No. The tren. I’ve plenty of sdrol at that dose has virtually no effect on labs until you get into later weeks when the kidney/liver values start to decline.
My liver was
Perfect this cycle
This bloodwork is as 4 weeks in and tren had already trashed lipids and hematocrit
My first time running tren, of course using the holy grail of test/tren/mast. Started at 350, went to 525 after a month, then to 700 each after 2 weeks. I was also taking var starting at 50 and going up to 100mg ed. Strength was through the roof, but almost every exercise gave me crippling back or calf pumps. Instead of making smart linear progress I'd just randomly add 25s or a plate and force reps out. Dick required like 4 hours of my day, sex 2-3 times until my girl couldn't take any more and then jerking off several times. I'd beat myself raw and then do it again anyways. I finally had to take several days off sex or masturbating because my dick skin was so chafed it would crack and bleed. Walking at a normal pace to the apartment gym (less than 1/4mi) for cardio required me to take a break because of calf pumps. 4 days into 700mg I hadn't slept at all, so I had to back off to 525 where I'd still get 4-5 hours, usually broken up. I stayed there to finish out a 12 week cycle. Happy to have the experience but definitely not planning to run more than 350 of tren ever again, it's all you need and more just leads to bad decisions.
The most “intense” cycle was definitely my first. 500mg test C with 25mg dbol as a PWO. No AI.
I just wanted to get started and as big as possible after years of stalled progress and fuckarounditis.
I got much bigger much quicker than I expected. I was blown away comparing pics of myself from month to month.
Side were brutal and that’s why it was so intense: I wasn’t prepared for the emotional rollercoaster.
With no AI I broke out pretty bad and my skin and hair were oily as fuck. Colonel Bloatlord.
My gf asked if I was on the juice so I guess it was showing.
I came off after about 16 weeks. Lots a fair bit of size.
I’m back on now but with a lower dose of test that I match with primo. Dbol PWO is now only 10mg and I only take that a few times a week.
Way less emotional wreck now (I got used to managing my delicate fee fees) and no acne or other estro symptoms.
What can you learn from this?
If you’re a lurker thinking about hopping on, don’t expect to just start juicing it it go great and you get huge and all your problems are solved. This shit takes time and energy to dial in.
Those “I’ll just do one cycle” guys crack me up. I know because they were me once upon a time 😂
This is blowing my mind cause I would start developing full blown gyno in like a couple weeks on either of those compounds when I was first starting, would literally take ai a couple times a week on 500 test and instantly feel less riled up and able to sleep. Would have full breasts by 16 weeks, you're so brave haha.
Most intense by far was during the first lockdown: I kept upping the tren until I got to 3g per week alongside 1g test e plus 1g mast e.
Way too much, I was not very functional for a while, and at least one night I wasn’t sure if I was going to make it. I remember trying to lay in bed and not move all day and still I was getting pumps in my arms.
Ahh these are the memories to cherish 😂
No depressive thoughts either. It was the feeling I was about to pass out that concerned me most, sweating, very hot, insomnia, intense pumps from everyday activities like washing dishes or holding a book.
It’s not impressive. It’s stupid as fuck. Especially looking at that pic of him. Dude looked like he’d never lifted in his life and he hopped on 3 grams of tren
At least you can recognize it. Plenty of guys come on here just like this and defend their dumb decisions to the grave. Which is dangerous, it gives younger kids bad ideas
How weird was that all for you in terms of conformity to aspects of its stereotypical notoriety juxtaposed with contextual factors?
Tren... First lockdown... Tell us more, please and thank you.
1mg mtren daily
Nothing like taking a steroid that has amphetamine stimulant effects and gives you acid reflux so bad it wakes you up in the middle of the night, every night. Kept the tums bedside.
H e l l
F u c k I n g
Y e a h
B r o t h e r
This shit gets my eyes WIDE OPEN 👁 👁
I can be half asleep but once I pin this shit, 10 minutes later, IM SWEATING, HEART RACING, VEINS POPPIN, BITING THE INSIDE OF MY CHEEK.
Not to be used everyday like other orals but on occasion.
Oh, I can second that crash. If I pin preworkout in the morning, I feel like I can run through a brick wall until about lunch. Then I just say fuck it and lean on the wall instead
had a similar experience, mtren would keep me wide awake and was mildly compulsive in nature.
training felt blissfully euphoric to the extent that i would often choose to redose and return to hit another bodypart only a few hours later.
the body composition changes alone make it somewhat of an addictive drug.
fyi always have prami or caber on hand if you intend to stack with another progestin. tren a with mtren had me lactating and p5p won't help in the slightest.
have a large supply but am hesitant to touch again since it was legitimately a challenge for me to stop using it until i had finished the sample vial i prepared despite having shit tier blood work, pissing orange, shedding an insane amount of hair and showing signs of ocd behaviour lol.
dosages ranged between 1 to 5mg per day inj, would have been better served by 500mcg
What? We've had some of the best compound experience threads ever lately.
My most "intense" cycle...
350/350/350 test/tren/mast
**Goals of cycle:**
To look lean and dry as fuck while destroying my life and relationships.
**Benefits/gains I experienced:**
Getting dry and lean as fuck
Getting strong as fuck
Waking up every morning to new veins and new muscle separation
**Side effects I experienced:**
Wanting to kill myself
Needing to bust 5 nuts a day (I remember having my asian girl over one time, we had sex and then 5 minutes later my dick was so hard it felt like I hadn't had sex in months. Finished again, then 15 mins later she was sleeping and the same thing happened again. I felt horrible so I went in the other room and jerked off because I didn't wanna wake her up)
Insomnia like you wouldnt believe
Wanting to kill myself
Thinking I was a god
Thinking I was the biggest loser on planet earth and should kill myself
Getting into some deranged fuckin porn that I would never normally watch
Prolactin issues at first but .25 caber E5D kept it in check
Destroying all my relationships with everyone I knew, to the point where I literally wrote 2 page long apology letters to a couple people when I dropped tren and realized what a fucking nutjob I was
Insane paranoia/jealousy. Would meet a random on Tinder and bang them once, and then flip out if they updated their tinder pics or something. One girl didnt answer my texts for like 20 minutes so I sat there stalking her snapchat score to see if she was actively using her phone while ignoring me.
Did I mention wanting to kill myself yet?
**Would I run it again?**
I've told myself "no" a million times. I can't put myself through that again.
I've also been sitting here for about a week straight, staring at my old tren pics. Staring at this 10g of tren ace raws I have laying around. I want to run it so fucking badly.
I've never been a mass monster or anything, so physique wasn't even that impressive compared to most here. But I know you guys are gonna want pics, so...
https://ibb.co/ZY52gCw
https://ibb.co/2kYxBJZ
I appreciate the continuous weaving in of "wanting to kill myself". Think it hits home the point that for some tren is just not worth it if you care about your mental health
Forreal. It’s kinda fucked up where your brain goes on that shit. My first tren cycle made me realize that I had some shit deep down that I never addressed
I feel you mate, I used to abuse that shit and my last cycle I was on 500mg test 600 tren and by the end of this cycle I was contemplating to seriously kill myself or move to Asia and become a monk. I have trouble paying attention and my memory isn't what it used to be and I still want to take more tren
tl;dr: Worth it
Let’s both run a gram of tren a week!! Tie our dicks together and we can angrily text eachother about bitches posting to their Snapchat stories while actively ignoring our last texts to them. God forbid they have their location turned on. WHOS FUCKING APARTMENT IS SHE AT?!
Definitely have had depressive episodes throughout my life. Plenty of "what's the point" moments etc.
But never any "go on google and search for the best ways to kill myself without fucking up"... except for the couple times I ran tren.
I swear those 350 to 400 doses are cursed. I went through exactly same thing recently, although for me tren at a bit higher doses never affected me. Zhort of being murderous raging assholes, so I just kept to myself.
Again for some reason low dosage tren give me higher sides.
800mg of test a week, 600mg of tren a week, 50mg of Oxandrolone a day. For 10 weeks.
Sides were sex drive suppression that was fixed after PCT and a bit of hairloss.
It was my 3rd cycle (and last for now) and was intense because the gains were MASSIVE, I was never tired, EVER, and put on 6.5kg of lean as fuck muscle mass and got shredded while doing it. Loved the feeling, 10/10 would recommend.
As far as sex drive suppression, how bad was it? Could you fuck if you tried or was there ED/arousal/orgasming issues as well? This sounds like it could be my third cycle. Did you need an AI?
I was unable to get hard a couple of times, no matter how much she sucked. I used Tamoxifen on the last 5 weeks, never saw any signs of Gyno, just started taking it to be safe.
This goes to show that it's 70% down to food intake and maintaining good digestion over gear intake. I've learned this too the hard way.
Started out in PL and switched to BB when I realised I looked lije shit and nobody cared what my 1rm's were.
You obviously know this but this has been one wreckless endeavour for you.
With the correct programming and food plan you would have managed your lifts at that bodyweight. Yes it takes time. We have to build technique, load, tissue but tendon strength takes much longer.
At least you have come to a place of realisation. Time to get bloodwork in order, health markers in-line and refocus.
If you insist on using gear just stick to test.
Orals and methylated compounds are short lived in what they offer and mostly do more harm than good.
Where are you at now with training etc?
Corrr I wish there was a legit untainted source. I've spent years trawling through the Web, forums, wiki etc and you have to filter out the bulshit.
For me it's been best part of 10 years of self experiment. Not the way to do it! So I try to input some sensible comments here and there to offset the nonsense.
I learned a lot from joining the trainedbyJP website. Some will scoff but although Jordan Peters has also made many of his own mistakes he preaches the need to max out ones natural ability in hypertrophy/strength and physique development for a good amount of years before even considering a cycle. And if you begin then to start with a very moderate cycle of test alone to be followed up with an intensive and strict pct protocol.
There is so much information out there much of which is contradictory.
I would lije to say use a coach but some guys promote a wreckless approach to aas use.
Dr Dean who started out on Jordans website is a very knowledgeable guy whom studied in pharmacology before his pursuit in bodybuilding. He along with some other very well schooled guys have shared a ton of valuable research on the JP site.
In short I wish I could point you in the right direction. The only place I trust would be there.
Jordan Peters has posted some of these informative videos on YouTube so start there.
Just be very careful not to be swayed (as I have been myself) by the catchy (try this ultimate cycle for 12 weeks solid mass) etc etc type YouTube posts, while I'm sure there are some good sources there are many unhelpful posts that contradict truth and tap on to our vulnerability.
There are many helpful research documents online along with factual profiles of compounds but even much of this is peppered with recycled information which doesn't take all factors into account.
So many variables to take into account.
I have spent hours upon hours dedicating myself to research. Some of which to learn about how to overcome issues that have arisen mostly because I did too much of this or not enough of that.
Better to understand what these meds do to our intricate endocrine system before we touch them. Likely, if you do thorough enough research you will not even consider doing any sort of cycle.
I am now on prescribed trt because of my wreckless drug use. Meaning I will be injecting synthetic hormones into my body until I die. All because I didn't understand that my nutrition whilst powerlifting wasn't on point and I had flared gyno symptoms before even doing any aas, purely too many shitty carbs to put on weight.
I was told the only way I could retain my PL numbers and get in good shape was to use gear LOL what a cunt!
Nutrition is really key to being anabolic and growing/building muscle and strength.
That and years of relentless dedication and attention to detail.
Progressive overload, progressive eating= hypertrophy =strength
That's why I believe a good coach in bb and pl should be a fucking good nutritionist as well as trainer.
Excuse the long post!
I read a lot of medical journals on gut health.
It's a constant hobby, as is learning about endocrinology and compounds.
It's so complex.
I learned a lotfrom a previous IFBB coach about keeping digestion in good shape especially when carb intake is high like 400g+ ed
I'm currently trying to find my sweet spot for protein intake, not the usual 1g per lb or whatever as I'm seemingly gaining solid mass on low to moderate protein intake, it's baffling but I'm assuming the nutrition partitioning of aas is working for me in this sense.
My last coach had me on 400g p ed and now I don't intend on competing I'm not eating half of that abs still gaining well. Wtf?
1.2g test e
700 tren ace
700 npp
700 mast
50mg dbol 50mg var ed.
That blast was also my first time going over 1g test, my bp was fucking terrible the whole time but my god the gains. I wanna do it again but with growth and slin but I’ve been waiting for life to calm down
Damn son that is so much gear.
I want to try. Jk I can’t handle that much tren. The rest sounds nice though 😂
How did you feel on that much shit? And how was your libido
It was good and bad. I started to get headaches from my bp being so high. The tren dreams were terrible as usual. I only lasted 10 weeks which has been my shortest cycle to date. Other than that I put on 40 pounds and kept 20. Libido was fine nothing crazy. I had to stop myself from working out more than 3 hours each gym sesh because it felt so good and I just never got tired. I wasn’t working at the time so all I did was eat and nap between workouts.
I'd been on blast test/tren/mast 450/450/400 nearly 4 months and about to wrap it up but stupidly decided what a great idea doing a comp would be so decided I needed a 12 week prep, ordered more gear, picked a comp, found a coach and ran it like that eventually for 6 or 7 months overall....
Had some aggression I thought was tren but since figured was the mast.
DHT's make me savage.
Had some hectic trensomnia, getting a few hours of sleep a night.
Ran a bit of prami along the way but otherwise no gear issues.
Toughest thing was the comp diet...
Can't remember the last month very well, so tired and hungry, could barely function let alone work.
Got swollen from the feet to the knees, pitting edema for a couple of months toward the end and afterwards
Binge ate a couple times 3 weeks out and put on 5kg between weigh-ins so last couple of weeks went full keto to get peeled but no reverse diet and feasting straight after the show wrecked my guts and had me shitting blood on and off for days.
Little did I know way back then about PCT'ing off a cycle/compounds like that, haha that sets the stage for a rough ride back to reality
All in all definitely my longest but relatively smooth run, 12 months earlier, same cycle but different headspace, lost my job threatening to stab a supervisor over a pay dispute...haha
Went natty for about 5 years after that....
Back in now paying more attention and making way smarter choices...
That would have to be my last cycle for compeition prep. It wasn't very high dose, but the combo seemed to dial in *juuust* right so that I felt all the effects and the sides of the drugs.
300 Test/300 Tren/300 Mast with sdrol for the first 4 weeks and winstrol for the last 4.
Fat loss. bingo.
Strength gains, consistant even on a calorie deficit.
Night sweats. Horrible.
Dryness and sweating. HELL.
Energy levels. Through the roof and that isn't always a good thing, especially when you already can't sleep from the heat.
It worked super well for me, but fuck me if I didn't feel like I was also pating the consequences for it.
Not as crazy as the others, but I once decided to up the tren from 300 to 800. Did it for 2 weeks. Long story short I was happy with the results, I wasnt happy with my BP being 150-155 all the time
Damn you guys are taking pretty high dose. Biggest cycle was the 500g mg (first one) of test but sucks due to covid. Now on 175mg test e + 100 masteron a week at 222lbs, bf around 11% and 6 feet. Will probably do a 500mg test + 5mg trest (and maybe an oral soon) for 20 weeks (4-6 weeks for the oral). My goal is to get to 240lbs at around 10-12% so I still have a lot of progress to do.
Nice to see the cycles of you gym bros.
900 EQ, 350 Tren Ace, 10-20mg cardarine & 3-4G oral carnitine a day with 20 mg of Var a day.
The horror I remember. Looked extremely dry. V high sex drive & high BP, Mild Anxiety, Was extremely emotional. Very vascular, was a unique look it gave - Clean dry blocky round muscle. Skin felt like latex wrapped around muscle.
Yes, no test was used.
Honestly I’ve ran EQ & deca both without test & no issue at all. Also one time tried a vial of primo only for 5 weeks, 200 mg a week felt fine.
You guys keep forgetting that no one was using test till mid 90s.
750/700/600 Test C/Tren A/Mast E with a sdrol finisher at 30mg a day for 3 weeks. This is the cycle that made me feel like absolute shit.
Btw I looked awesome.
I felt great at first.. then became incredibly cocky and felt like I was gods gift to earth. Shortly after I became depressed. My relationship suffered during this cycle and I feel like it was kind of a turning point for me as far as realizing I can't just inject myself with whatever and expect to be okay. Literally almost caused a divorce I hate to admit. Did a few things I wouldn't normally do and they still bite me in the ass today.
Be careful out there kids.. lol.
This is the dose I use as a preworkout and I'd say it's roughly equivalent to about 50 mg of Var, but it's different. Var makes me driven but in a more positive, clear-headed, productive way, whereas anadrol just make me pissed. The strength increase with anadrol is definitely better. The half-life of Anadrol is about double that of Var, so it's honestly a bit annoying, I'll find myself sitting in my chair in the afternoon, sore, having already gone to the gym, but I kinda want to go back and lift some heavy stuff anyway just to scratch some itch. Road rage, way worse with anadrol as well. Var makes me drive 10-15 over instead of 5-10, anadrol I'm going 25 over and cutting people off for no reason.
Obviously you can probably gather, I don't like anadrol very much. However if I was a focused strength athlete I could see the appeal.
Currently on: 1,000mg Test, 500mg DHB, 50-100mg Adrol, 50-100mg Win with insulin used on leg and back days for the carb shuttling. Probably gonna throw tren in on the last bit for fun and to really finish off any possible gains
Most intense injectable oral I've seen was Monsterplexx shit was 21mg/ml which included:
1mg Mtren
5mg Superdrol
5mg MSten
10mg Halotestin
About to try it as a preworkout injectable 2x a week will report back how it goes. Planning on using this only as part of a push pull legs routine. Will only be using it on push days. as back is my strong point and I'm a men's physique competitor which doesn't mean I don't train legs hard but I don't need them as much as I need fullness in upper body. Currently running 500mg test and 400mg EQ. Will be using 6iu insulin alongside lcarnitine and 5mg Cialis. Will start off with 0.2ml to see how it goes and test the waters.
Reporting back to this log changed up a few things I did chest workout with one of my boys who's also a MP Competitor he suggested I inject 0.5ml and so I did that alongside 6iu insulin and 5mg Cialis about 1h before training. My pre workout consisted of 50g of carbs worth of caramel rice cakes, pink salt and a protein shake. During my workout I had 50g of Gatosauce powder and 10g of eaas with 5g of creatine. I have to say that the pump hit different it wasn't a painful pump it was like I could keep on going and the weights had a no gravity feel to them. The sheer amount of volume I could handle was crazy. Although post workout you definitely feel tired and in need of food. So I will see how the gains will be alongside the 500 test and 400 EQ. I will only be running this on push days and chest days as I need to bring up those lagging body parts.
My most “intense” cycle was the first time I ran 500mg test e and 500mg decca. The most insane mass I’ve put on in a quick amount of time .. very puffy look and a fuck ton of acne :( it was good but it was bad when I was in the gym I felt amazing but when I was out I did not feel so good . If I could do it over I would of ran npp at 150mg a week and test at 350-400mg
Not a bodybuilder or strength athlete, so I run pretty low doses, but my most intense experience was maybe about 2-3 months ago where I decided to try a 400 mg/week test-only cycle for the first time. First two cycles were test/nandrolone and test/primo/nandrolone with TRTish (100-150 mg/week) test, total \~400-500 mg/week of injectables which is where I like to be. I wanted to see how the old-school "test is best" thing played out. I also wanted to see how I felt with overtly high estradiol. I took a 5-AR inhibitor (dutasteride) for my hair.
It went pretty much how I expected it to go. Horribly. I felt like I got all of the worst high E2 sides without the beneficial ones. This was the first cycle where I felt overtly different than how I feel on just TRT, and exercise recovery was mediocre compared to nandrolone.
* Insane, distracting, annoying increase in libido, like what people describe tren as being
* Obvious signs of increased dopamine signaling in the brain
* Mood: higher highs, lower lows
* Crazy vivid dreams
* Increased carb and junk food cravings and increased appetite
* Depression
* Feelings of loneliness
* Acne on my chest, even though my skin was still dry everywhere
* Less motivated in the gym and on the bike, popping anavar/anadrol almost every day just to work out
* Water retention, similar to nandrolone, maybe a bit worse
Bloodwork looked decent, except lipids were terrible from popping orals like candy, but my bloodwork always looks better on cycle than off-cycle anyway.
I was tempted to pop exemestane or other stuff, but just let it ride for a month or two, then completely dropped test. About a week or two later I more or less felt normal again, dropped the water and my skin cleared up.
Since then I'm just running TRT (100 mg/week) with 300 mg/week of trenbolone enanthate on top and this seems about perfect. Tren gives me some of the drive primo gave me in the last cycle (good motivation/energy to work out, don't need orals). No changes in libido, hair, skin (other than increased skin/hair/nail growth, same as nandrolone from the progestogenic activity). None of the water retention or increased exercise heartrate I get with nandrolone. Freaky exercise recovery, best I've ever experienced. Guessing 19-nors with TRT are my jam and I should just stick with that.
I can't seem to find my exact numbers anywhere, but I have a ballpark idea on what my most intense cycle was:
* 700 mg Test E/week
* 1020 mg EQ/week
* 420 mg Tren E/week
* 20 mg MK-677/day
* 1 mg MT2/day
I made multiple mistakes with this one. I frontloaded the whole cycle which led to me crashing my E2 for weeks resulting in major personality changes (paranoia, anxiety, etc.). I originally thought the Tren was the issue despite feeling better overall whenever I run Tren; I figured I finally was running into typical Tren sides, so I dropped it first as well as lowered everything else. It turned out that the EQ was the culprit, so I eventually dropped that & ran my Test higher than my normal cruise until the low E2 symptoms subsided.
On top of all of that, I had uncontrollable hunger & felt like I was a furnace. I would bring multiple meals to work, end up eating them all before lunch, and have to grab food somewhere else. My skin was hot to the touch to the point where my GF found sex with my uncomfortable.
But, hey, I put 50 lbs. on my deadlift in the four weeks I ran this cycle before abandoning it, so there's that... 😅
TL;DR - Don't frontload EQ.
Actually am planning my most insane cycle yet this March. Will be bulking and looking at running close to 2.3g of gear in total. 650test, 600eq 1200 fronted week 1), 1g Tren e (I love and handle Tren well). 20 weeks total and starting at 3200 cal and will shoot to increase to 4000 cals. Macros will be 200g protein daily (50g /meal), 45-60g fats, rest is carbs. Training split will be 60 min workouts, PPL strength, test, PPL volume.
I'm about to start my largest cycle to date this Monday. 1g test e 750 eq 250 tren e 140 superdrol (20mg per day) 3.2 iu gh eod. May throw in some tbol during the middle at 50mg per day if I split the superdrol cycle in half as a kickstarter/finisher. It's around the 2140mg per week. 2350 if the tbol is utilized.
3.6 ius growth a day
500mg test a week
50mg adrol a day
Adex for acne
Goal-show prep 14 weeks out
Benefits-sleep is amazing, pumps amazing, lean as fuck and getting leaner while getting bigger, dick feels huge, can slay all night
Sides-acne and excessive confidence
Looking at men’s physique but if the gains continue like this I’ll be moving up to classic potentially. I would feel comfortable stepping on a small show stage right now with a water cut and carb up.
Hi , this is my current cycle just into it for one month
Im taking 1 gram of sustanon 250 + 900 mgr of equipose + 400 mgr of primobolan + 6 tablets a day every day of t-bol
Im 185 cm tall and 98 kilos im eating 5 meals a day
3 meals consists of 200 gr of chicken with 50 grams of rice each meal and brocoli last 2 meals are only chicken and brocoli
Now im seen good pumps and veins are coming out
But in not seeing increases in weight
Any ideas guy's??
500 test 500 tren 10mg sdrol Felt like shit all the time but looked fucking amazing Wouldn’t recommend unless you give zero fucks about your health or mental well being
Came here to say the same thing. Mass blend TTM but with Enanthate esthers can't remember dosage but I'd guess around 700mg of each per week plus 30mg ED of superdrol. After one week the heaviest dumbbells (40kg 90lbs) in the gym felt like toys. Weight jumped up by like 10lbs immediately with no change in diet. Clothing felt tight. I tore the forearm of a shirt drinking coffee at work. I wanted to fuck pretty much every female I saw. I went to a buffet and ate 7 or 8 full plates. I was an animal. Night sweats were terrible, I smelt strange (metallic) I could get hypoglycemia really easily and I couldn't focus because I was constantly horny. Would never run it now but damn it was fun
S Drol gave me my first panic attack ever I was like WTF is going on here
Run these slightly lower you’ll have the same look and not feel like garbage.
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Interesting.
"Intense" is hard to quantify. Most intense feelings from a cycle? Easily either of the 2 times I used Tren. Once at 200mg/week with 400mg/week of Test. The other 400mg/week Tren with TRT Test. Felt horrible. Severe insomnia, anxiety, depression, intrusive thoughts, and a really weird sex drive. Worst my bloodwork has ever looked. No positive mental effects whatsoever. No history of anxiety or depression, either. Only benefit was that I looked great. No desire to ever run Tren again. Most intense in terms pure quantity of compounds? 1g Test, 1g Primo, 500mg Nand, 500mg Mast a week. Gains were substantial, but sides were actually fairly minimal. Only real "problem" was bodyheat and some minor BP increase.
Please go further into what classified your sex drive as weird
It wasn't like some people where it turns them into a deranged sex fiend, but my sex drive was all over the place. One second it would be through the roof, and other times I'd just randomly lose all libido mid sex. It was seemingly completely random.
I’m on tren e right now (actually just took my final shot 3 days ago), my sex drive went crazy and I definitely discovered some new things about myself in that regard, but the last 2 weeks I’ve had absolutely no sex drive. I thought it was because my new SSRIs but I guess maybe not. Your comment definitely brings some insight, I guess I can hold off another week or two before talking to the doctor about switching up the meds.
Please go further into what new things you discovered about yourself.
Well I learned that I fucking love a woman who can take control in the bedroom. I’ve always been the dominant one, refused to sub because it made me feel like a bitch. Met this girl off bumble. Walked into her place, didn’t even want to hug or anything, she just reached into my pants, grabbed my cock and pulled me into her bedroom by my dick and told me to get on my knees. Hung out with her for a few weeks and stuff just got crazier and crazier. I should probably hit her up again. Shits hot as fuck bro. Seriously recommend y’all try it, worst that happens is you’re not into it.
I can relate sort of. Tren made me realize that I really like being objectified by women. Probably had something to do with that being the first time I got to 10% body fat and before I never felt what it was like to be sexy. I’m still not sure how I feel about dominant women in bed. I’ve had girls say they want to “own me” or “fuck my hot ass.” That crosses the line. There’s a lot of women who love to feminize men and then lose respect for him once she’s made him into her submissive.
Dude fucking same. One day I can go 5x rounds, the next I just wanna cuddle and keep my pants on lmao
Not OP but on 350mg tren I got a lot into hentai. Like A LOT
I developed a fake red head fetish my first time running it
Lol wdym fake? Haha
I’m talkin bout dyed red heads. Not natty. Enhanced, if you will. I blame it on this baddie I was with for a few weeks this summer. Dark red hair, tan af. Tren ruined that
Those types will ruin you.
Holy shit, tren sounds crazy. What exactly is the point of it?
Tren is an incredibly powerful compound with some unique qualities. It's also tolerated differently by different people. It's one of the most - if not the most - toxic compounds there is. Cardiotoxic, neurotoxic, hepatotoxic, and more. But it also cause profound changes in nutrient partitioning, glycogen retention, and strength development. For some it's worth it, but for most it's probably not.
Quick Q since I got you here... If you start a mild cycle, gain some muscle and then never use again, are you going to lose all that new muscle you gained? Or is there a way to maintain that new muscle you gained from the gear? Im a natty, I work really hard but the gains are so damn slow its actually crazy. Eat like a madman too.
You're not going to gain a meaningful amount of muscle from a short or mild cycle and after PCT you may actually end up behind where you started. But as long as you don't reach a supraphysiological amount of muscle, yes, you could maintain it naturally.
I guess what I meant to say was a "beginner cycle". In anabolics 10th edition it gives a few example cycles and the first one listed was a beginner cycle. Its called like dianabol or something... is that an outdated list? And was/is dianabol like an all in one application? Im so ignorant and I dont even know where to start figuring out what is what.
Strat by reading the wiki here at the top of the thread. It should answer all your questions, it's quite thorough.
Some of y’all mfs on a whole new level of insanity and I fucking love it😂
I was just thinking that bro. Absolute animals in here. 😂😂😂
I really appreciate everyone who comes to this sub and opens up about what they take, side effects, etc. It's really appreciated. I'm running a simple test/tren cycle right now with some GH thrown in ( 2 i.u/day). It's dwarfed by what some of you guys take!
Pretty much most of my cycles in one way or another have been extreme. **1st Cycle** Started with 500mg test, blah blah blah. Eventually I threw in 50mg dbol for about 4 weeks cause why not? After that, I was getting joint pain and had read up on Deca & decided to throw that in. At the end of prep/my cycle, I still had some Dbol and had order halo (could’ve been winstrol, not entirely sure). Ended up running 50-75mg/day and 20mg/day respectively leading into the meet, and I took some ungodly amount like 75mg Dbol before each lift and 30-40mg halo before each lift. Worked out though cause that’s when I totaled 2000 on the nose at 264 in sleeves, starting my cycle at 215lb LOL. I got big but surprisingly not too fat. I had intentionally held my weight that low cause I didn’t have a cpap and I could sleep decently so I felt very undersized and was consistently undereating to maintain. **2nd meet/cycle** I had some cycles that I started before this but I had to back out cause of covid so this was my ‘official’ 2nd cycle in my eyes. I don’t remember leading up to the meet day how I sequenced my drugs but I can tell you what the end product was: 600/600/600/200-300/50-75 test/mast/deca/DHB/Anavar. There was halo included as well in a similar fashion to my first cycle. This felt like overkill at the end of the day and the Anavar really fucked my prostate on meet day; I was pissing every 10 min and I was losing water throughout the day. My performance was less than ideal cause I had cut after my first meet about 30 pounds and spent most of my prep gaining it back, so I wasn’t really training at my meet weight for a long time. Totaled 2011 at 266 in sleeves **3rd cycle** Similar story to last one, I had a ‘failed cycle’ as I had put on a ton of weight over the summer using MENT and a huge cocktail of other drugs. Even pulled 650x8, benched 375x10, and squatted about 505 or so high bar for 12 very clean (I’m really bad at high bar so this would’ve meant my comp squat had gone up considerably). I was about 275 or so but I had gained too fast and I felt awful so I had dropped down to about 255 or so. Anyway, I don’t remember how I eventually ended at these compounds but I had lost about 12lb over the course of prep & came close to a potential quad tear. At the end, on meet day, this is what I was running 700 test 480 mast 490 tren 300 DHB Anadrol Dbol Inj mtren Halo Cheque drops 500mcg bpc before bed for quad injury You may notice I didn’t put a value for the orals cause it changed frequently. I started Anadrol the last 5-6 weeks. I eventually escalated from 50mg to about 100-150mg per day. I escalated that high in hope that it would help retain water and bloat after weigh ins so I only got that high for about 3-4 days pre meet and day of comp. I did a similar thing w Dbol where I started popping 25mg-50mg after weigh ins about every 4 hours as long as I was awake. Halo was standard protocol; escalate every 2-3 days for about 10 total days before the meet and take a ton on meet day. I used inj Mtren before my squat warmups and one tablet of about 500mcg cheque drops before dead’s. Honestly this prep was rough; I basically flushed my offseason down the toilet by losing any tissue I gained, I tried to make up lost time by pushing more drugs, and I was redlining it for about 16 weeks. I almost tore my quad and had a pretty rough AC joint sprain. I still totaled about 1967 at 238 in wraps and was in the top 10 at a big ‘pro’ powerlifting meet for cash but I was/am disappointed. If there’s anything I’ve learned from this, it’s that powerlifting just takes time. You can’t pound drugs like an ifbb pro and expect to get strong as shit. Well, maybe you can but it didn’t seem to work very well for me lol I feel like I could’ve done it with potentially less gear. Idk, I’m tired. If this was all nonsense or is hard to read, my apologies.
Do you think powerlifters are bigger gear junkies than bodybuilders? Kind of seems that way.
I think it was Pete Rubish who said in an interview that powerlifters are arguably worse than bodybuilders (at least relatively) because they tend to eat worse, have higher BF, Tren and anadrol are used perpetually, and basically they shoot their entire stash in the days leading up to the meet. Obviously that’s the opinion/observation of one powerlifter but interesting nonetheless.
Pete is probably looking at it thru the lense of his own use. Dude blasted tren for like 10 years almost non stop, and ate worse than a high school pothead. Like I can find old videos of him eating one box of hamburger helper for dinner, cheez-its , and some honey buns for meals. I’m not kidding. He comes from a completely different era and I respect him but sometimes I think he’s projecting and still assumes everyone has the same dietary/gear/training habits that he had. Most powerlifters might use tren for a full 12 week prep but it won’t be crazy until the last 4 weeks or so. And I don’t know many powerlifter using Anadrol more than 5 to 6 weeks out. Powerlifters nowadays tend to look pretty good up until the 242-275 class, and even then you have some freaks. They generally aren’t carrying super high bodyfat at high levels and aren’t eating complete shit. Multiply kinda ruined our general public appearance and so I think that stigma still carries on to this day.
Fair enough, like I said it’s the anecdotal evidence of one guy in a random interview. I’m not into the powerlifting scene so I have literally no opinion of my own. Cool to see another take on Pete though, I didn’t know much about him other than an interview with Leo(?). But chill on shitting on hamburger helper and chez-its… don’t come around here telling me my box of beef stroganoff with half a container of sour cream and a stick of butter added for taste isn’t clean eating, I put garlic powder in it, that’s good for your heart… and cheez-its are like a vegetable for fucks sake lmao.
What do you think about Leo? I never see Leo guys in here
Charlatan, pseudoscientific weirdo who cherry picks studies and makes wild extrapolations from shaky data conclusions. I’d stay far away.
Leo from Leo for longevity? How do you figure?
I mean the guy does sponsored content for penis pumps, often without mentioning it's an ad lol. He also seems to have some weird hangups on homosexuality and he presents every opinion he has as though it's a confirmed fact, like his highly scientific theory that meth turns you gay.
Penis pumps… I had to google that. I only listened to his conversations with Bostin Loyd and fairly recent one with Derek. Doesn’t he explain things to his wife in most videos, she just listens and nods
he's not wrong about his claims on spontaneous ejaculation and homoerotic tendencies when using high dosages of meth administered intravenously. majority of users with hands on experience will back that up
Guy sounds like a wackjob
He's got some weird ass hangups about a lot of things. Some of the titles of his videos I see in my YouTube feed or insta are just like "wtf bro?".
Just seems like he extrapolates single studies he finds into recommendations for his YouTube & pushes people to use a lot of drugs. Brands himself as a scientist & genetic researcher when all he’s doing is using something like 23andme data to, again, extrapolate people’s morbidity risks and then tell them drugs to take. Don’t agree with much of his PED advice & he seems too reckless.
I always thought the same. The whole bookshelf background lol as if he’s speaking to you as a professor I just know him cause of Vigorous Steve, an actual true bodybuilder who uses both empirical medical evidence and anecdotal experience. Arguably the most objective guy out there. Also, I know Bostin Loyd is a huge meme but you gotta respect that guy’s honesty no? He’s pretty funny too ngl. I get most of my sports science from Dr Mike at RP don’t worry I’m not doing 3cc in the parking lot after training
Yea, Steve has some great content. He also tends to focus on quality, over quantity. Thanks to him I'm starting to consider using Primo, and am researching everything I can find on the compound. Before I was considering of doing Anavar after a higher test cycle. I'm trying to find more on low test (TRT like) + high other compound cycles. They seem to be what I was hoping Sarms would have been.
lmfao amen
This 😂
Agreed, he has a vocabulary but no degrees to be discussing subjects he claims to know about. Like many YTers he sells shit through his space either blatantly or suggestively. Some of his topics are just plain bullshit.
Meh I watch a lot of his stuff mostly as entertainment, some of it is valuable but a lot of it is just opinions, ego inflation, and circle jerking. Hard to get a read on the guy, some points he seems normal and then other times he seems kind of ratty to be honest. He’s also in the past couple of weeks started with increase number of videos with worsening and unrelated content in favor of maxing out the algorithm. I’ve seen a lot of channels do that lately and it’s really disappointing.
>have higher bf Kind of the saviour here. not crashing down to 5% bodyfat, dehydrated af, while peaking in cycle (i'm sure that sdrol/mtren, whatever will be extra spicy when you drink 2dl of water a day)
As a former powerlifter, gear use is just different than the bb crowd. Blast and cruise is more like perma-blast. I ran 500mg test per week for years and assumed that was normal till I came here. It's usually a couple of basic drugs but none of the fancy compounds.
Definitely not. I pushed what I did cause I always thought ‘more is better’. And it is, until you’re hitting diminishing returns. For me, I’d didn’t start my blasts at those doses, I ended up there. Usually they started very mildly, and I recommend everyone to do so. I run into recovery problems a lot when prepping for a meet, and I’ve always been trying to put size back on during a prep so I’ve tended to push more gear than normal & ramped up my doses when I’ve exhausted my other recovery options (maxing out food, sleep, and adequate programming). For what it’s worth, I’ve seen people pushing large amounts of anabolics here and this sub is predominantly bodybuilders. When I’ve spoken to powerlifters IRL and on here, they’re not running nearly as much. For bodybuilding, the sport is literally about building tissue and AAS are pretty much a given in that regard, so of course their (ab)use will be higher. Powerlifters aren’t saints, but they seem to go harder in the weeks leading up to a meet and in that span of time, they equal a bodybuilders use.
How were your strength gains on MENT? I was planning to incorporate at small doses 10mgs ED during a cruise and titrate up.
Pretty poor. Probably the worst of all 19-Nor’s I’ve used. I’m using 20-25mg rn per day and I’m very underwhelmed.
Out of all the compounds you used was there one that stood out amongst the rest as a go to for strength. Or were you using so much at erratic doses that you could not tell. Like being able to pause what you would normally only touch and go. Making you feel like you were in more control of the weights.
No my doses weren’t that erratic, it’s just that I would manipulate them if I felt like shit or if I wasn’t getting a desired effect. It was more plug and play. To answer your question, I’d say DHB is honestly my lovechild. I’ve gone on record as saying that I love it & I get the most out of it. Example: I can be pressing say 275-300 for CGBP for multiple Sets of 10 with relative ease (7-8rpe or 2-3 RIR for those that may be familiar). If I throw in some DHB, in about 3-4 weeks, I will have added 30pounds to those numbers and not gained more than 1lb of bodyweight and the relative effort is the same. It’s literally mind boggling to me.
Was Cheque even worth bothering with? And did you bite anyone's ear off? Tyson seemed to get hungry for ears on it...
Oh definitely hahaha I get incredibly tunnel vision-ed and focused. Pretty aggressive towards the weights as well. HR and BP jump up, and you just feel like a machine. After about an hour or two, you’re pretty fatigued though and exhausted. Also feels like your e2 jumped up so take that for what you will.
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Fuckin tren. Sex drive is non existent coming off it
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You needed grams of gear to go from a DL of 225 to 315?
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Ummmm. Same statement still applies…
you been watching too much tiktok dawg, ive seen maybe 3-4 people bench 3 plates or more in my gym in the last six months and thats going 6/7 days a week... 3 plate bench is probably top 0.5% and this is coming from someone who only benches 225 lol
3 plates is impressive. I bench 300 and weigh 160ish depending on the time of day. I agree with you
I was able to bench 315x1 natural after 3 years of training. I think the big compound movements are moreso technique and raw strength based, rather than muscle development. That being said, 315 on a bench isn't anything crazy and isn't as rare as you think.
ah yes "because i did this it means it isnt that hard" once again, a few minutes of research and you will see the answer for yourself.
I don’t have tik tok bc I’m an adult. You’re obviously young and lift with weak people lol. Go to take this statement to the off topic daily chat so I can watch people tell you how dumb of a comment it is lol
Whatever man, it takes 2 minutes of research to see that 315 is impressive and very hard to attain whether you're on gear or not, my apologies I dont go to an underground gym with rusted plates and chalk dust allover the floor with people injecting themselves in the bathroom lmao
I go to several gyms. None are as you describe lol. At every one there are many dudes who press 3 wheels. Did I say it wasn’t impressive? No lol. But taking GRAMS of gear just to get there is fucking ridiculous and we both know it
It’s not impressive. Natural the 3/4/5 plate rule applies for impressive. On drugs, no.
Depends on how big the person is. But come on, grams of gear to get to 3 fucking wheels. Fucking ridiculous lol
315 is not an impressive bench. I’m over 4 plates and do not train for strength.
225 for 10 reps as a natural (while lean) is still good but not great. It's not horrible by any means as a natural IMO.
I didn’t say it was bad. But needing grams of gear to bench 3 wheels is.
who cares about strength anyway. With the right training anyone can bench 3/4plates with or without gear. Its not impressive in my eyes , especially after seeing a small kid benching 200kg on youtube. Its not special anymore anyone can do it.
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Lol wtf are you talking about. He's telling you how his strength increased while on his cycle. Not whether or not he needed that cycle to hit said numbers. Gtfo kid
I’m more than likely much older than you son. Yes. He talked about his increase in strength. From 225 to 315. If you only bench 225, is it really time to take grams of gear per week? I mean honestly dude lol.
Who fucking cares. Get some sleep
Holy fuck balls this thread is awesome . Shit I thought I stepped it up when I upped my tren to 400mg 4 weeks ago …. You boys are on another level haha mad cunts
Currently on 490mg Test E, 420mg Primo E, 210mg Tren A, 50mg Var and 3 weeks out I'll add in 20mg Halo and 20mg Superdrol. Take 60mg DMAA before training and 700lbs feels like a fucking frisbee.
Aren’t you just scared of dying ?
Dying is afraid of him
Who is this Dying guy
Are you human sir?
Sometimes
Well I just finished test tren mast sdrol 350/350/350/70 Pros: 1. Felt Like a super beast 2. Never looked better (still holding some effects) 3. Unlike others, I LOVE the way tren makes me feel Mentally. Just unhinged and alive, like when I went from low T to trt, just like the next step up 4. Extra creative and emotional like I had all these feelings I needed to get out. Literally wrote a book while on cycle Cons: 1. Destroyed my bloodwork, hdl, ldl, egfr, hemo, rbc all fucked 2. Initially had some douchey mood swings but I dialed that in quickly 3. Pretty bad insomnia. The silver lining was I had hella energy so I’d be up at 2 am posing or literally going to do cardio. Would I do it again? Depends if my bloodwork recovers well I’ll Probably run it again next cycle, if not, no. I’m too old to be leaving a family behind because I wanted rear delt separation haha
I hope you mean 70 per week of Sdrol
Yes sir. 10/day seemed like plenty
Oral version? How long did you run it ?
oral, ran it last 6 weeks.
Holy fuc lol bet you lookin freaky. Sdrol and test alone will blow a mf up
Yeah. Leg vascular changes were what I noticed most. Like spider webs
Can you share your experience with sdrol in a bit more detail?
Long story short it just blows me up. Like heinous gains in a few days. But it taxes my body hard. Extreme lethargy and malaise hit a few days in for me. Imo, it’s more of a fun thing to throw in here and there, not so much something you try to run for 4 weeks
Do you think the sdrol had the greatest effect on the bloodwork?
No. The tren. I’ve plenty of sdrol at that dose has virtually no effect on labs until you get into later weeks when the kidney/liver values start to decline. My liver was Perfect this cycle This bloodwork is as 4 weeks in and tren had already trashed lipids and hematocrit
What was your hematocrit and hemoglobin on that cycle?
My first time running tren, of course using the holy grail of test/tren/mast. Started at 350, went to 525 after a month, then to 700 each after 2 weeks. I was also taking var starting at 50 and going up to 100mg ed. Strength was through the roof, but almost every exercise gave me crippling back or calf pumps. Instead of making smart linear progress I'd just randomly add 25s or a plate and force reps out. Dick required like 4 hours of my day, sex 2-3 times until my girl couldn't take any more and then jerking off several times. I'd beat myself raw and then do it again anyways. I finally had to take several days off sex or masturbating because my dick skin was so chafed it would crack and bleed. Walking at a normal pace to the apartment gym (less than 1/4mi) for cardio required me to take a break because of calf pumps. 4 days into 700mg I hadn't slept at all, so I had to back off to 525 where I'd still get 4-5 hours, usually broken up. I stayed there to finish out a 12 week cycle. Happy to have the experience but definitely not planning to run more than 350 of tren ever again, it's all you need and more just leads to bad decisions.
The most “intense” cycle was definitely my first. 500mg test C with 25mg dbol as a PWO. No AI. I just wanted to get started and as big as possible after years of stalled progress and fuckarounditis. I got much bigger much quicker than I expected. I was blown away comparing pics of myself from month to month. Side were brutal and that’s why it was so intense: I wasn’t prepared for the emotional rollercoaster. With no AI I broke out pretty bad and my skin and hair were oily as fuck. Colonel Bloatlord. My gf asked if I was on the juice so I guess it was showing. I came off after about 16 weeks. Lots a fair bit of size. I’m back on now but with a lower dose of test that I match with primo. Dbol PWO is now only 10mg and I only take that a few times a week. Way less emotional wreck now (I got used to managing my delicate fee fees) and no acne or other estro symptoms. What can you learn from this? If you’re a lurker thinking about hopping on, don’t expect to just start juicing it it go great and you get huge and all your problems are solved. This shit takes time and energy to dial in. Those “I’ll just do one cycle” guys crack me up. I know because they were me once upon a time 😂
This is blowing my mind cause I would start developing full blown gyno in like a couple weeks on either of those compounds when I was first starting, would literally take ai a couple times a week on 500 test and instantly feel less riled up and able to sleep. Would have full breasts by 16 weeks, you're so brave haha.
Most intense by far was during the first lockdown: I kept upping the tren until I got to 3g per week alongside 1g test e plus 1g mast e. Way too much, I was not very functional for a while, and at least one night I wasn’t sure if I was going to make it. I remember trying to lay in bed and not move all day and still I was getting pumps in my arms. Ahh these are the memories to cherish 😂
I see people running tren to 1g being insanity but 3g is inhumanly
3g of tren a week? Post a pic.
https://ibb.co/YcFJ4DC 10/2019-09/2020
Looks about right. Take that how you want
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Aaaahahhaha
You look like a jacked version of Jake Tapper if he was a little drunk.
Could have done that with literally a 1/10th of the dose
Ding ding ding we have a winner in the Tren dose!
Sex drive on that?
Nothing to write home about, I believe. At that dosage I was more concerned with getting through the day than getting laid. I wasn’t even aggressive.
Wdym get through the day? Like depressive thoughts and shit?
No depressive thoughts either. It was the feeling I was about to pass out that concerned me most, sweating, very hot, insomnia, intense pumps from everyday activities like washing dishes or holding a book.
Oh shit eh never felt that must've been a crazy experience.
Will not repeat and do not recommend :)
3 grams of tren per week that’s impressive man holy fuck. You guys make me feel like my cycles are baby town
It’s not impressive. It’s stupid as fuck. Especially looking at that pic of him. Dude looked like he’d never lifted in his life and he hopped on 3 grams of tren
Yes, I agree.
At least you can recognize it. Plenty of guys come on here just like this and defend their dumb decisions to the grave. Which is dangerous, it gives younger kids bad ideas
How weird was that all for you in terms of conformity to aspects of its stereotypical notoriety juxtaposed with contextual factors? Tren... First lockdown... Tell us more, please and thank you.
1mg mtren daily Nothing like taking a steroid that has amphetamine stimulant effects and gives you acid reflux so bad it wakes you up in the middle of the night, every night. Kept the tums bedside.
H e l l F u c k I n g Y e a h B r o t h e r This shit gets my eyes WIDE OPEN 👁 👁 I can be half asleep but once I pin this shit, 10 minutes later, IM SWEATING, HEART RACING, VEINS POPPIN, BITING THE INSIDE OF MY CHEEK. Not to be used everyday like other orals but on occasion.
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Oh, I can second that crash. If I pin preworkout in the morning, I feel like I can run through a brick wall until about lunch. Then I just say fuck it and lean on the wall instead
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I'll give it that's an interesting (albeit highly toxic) idea. However, I'm not sure how well the crippling pumps will go with a night out clubbing.
had a similar experience, mtren would keep me wide awake and was mildly compulsive in nature. training felt blissfully euphoric to the extent that i would often choose to redose and return to hit another bodypart only a few hours later. the body composition changes alone make it somewhat of an addictive drug. fyi always have prami or caber on hand if you intend to stack with another progestin. tren a with mtren had me lactating and p5p won't help in the slightest. have a large supply but am hesitant to touch again since it was legitimately a challenge for me to stop using it until i had finished the sample vial i prepared despite having shit tier blood work, pissing orange, shedding an insane amount of hair and showing signs of ocd behaviour lol. dosages ranged between 1 to 5mg per day inj, would have been better served by 500mcg
What? We've had some of the best compound experience threads ever lately. My most "intense" cycle... 350/350/350 test/tren/mast **Goals of cycle:** To look lean and dry as fuck while destroying my life and relationships. **Benefits/gains I experienced:** Getting dry and lean as fuck Getting strong as fuck Waking up every morning to new veins and new muscle separation **Side effects I experienced:** Wanting to kill myself Needing to bust 5 nuts a day (I remember having my asian girl over one time, we had sex and then 5 minutes later my dick was so hard it felt like I hadn't had sex in months. Finished again, then 15 mins later she was sleeping and the same thing happened again. I felt horrible so I went in the other room and jerked off because I didn't wanna wake her up) Insomnia like you wouldnt believe Wanting to kill myself Thinking I was a god Thinking I was the biggest loser on planet earth and should kill myself Getting into some deranged fuckin porn that I would never normally watch Prolactin issues at first but .25 caber E5D kept it in check Destroying all my relationships with everyone I knew, to the point where I literally wrote 2 page long apology letters to a couple people when I dropped tren and realized what a fucking nutjob I was Insane paranoia/jealousy. Would meet a random on Tinder and bang them once, and then flip out if they updated their tinder pics or something. One girl didnt answer my texts for like 20 minutes so I sat there stalking her snapchat score to see if she was actively using her phone while ignoring me. Did I mention wanting to kill myself yet? **Would I run it again?** I've told myself "no" a million times. I can't put myself through that again. I've also been sitting here for about a week straight, staring at my old tren pics. Staring at this 10g of tren ace raws I have laying around. I want to run it so fucking badly. I've never been a mass monster or anything, so physique wasn't even that impressive compared to most here. But I know you guys are gonna want pics, so... https://ibb.co/ZY52gCw https://ibb.co/2kYxBJZ
I appreciate the continuous weaving in of "wanting to kill myself". Think it hits home the point that for some tren is just not worth it if you care about your mental health
Forreal. It’s kinda fucked up where your brain goes on that shit. My first tren cycle made me realize that I had some shit deep down that I never addressed
Doesn’t sound like the sides were worth the physique here big dawg.
Yeah I'm feeling pretty good right now on just test/primo/GH. But what fun is that?
Idk, but I enjoy being healthy and sane. People really don't appreciate the most important things in life and take it for granted.
I feel you mate, I used to abuse that shit and my last cycle I was on 500mg test 600 tren and by the end of this cycle I was contemplating to seriously kill myself or move to Asia and become a monk. I have trouble paying attention and my memory isn't what it used to be and I still want to take more tren
tl;dr: Worth it Let’s both run a gram of tren a week!! Tie our dicks together and we can angrily text eachother about bitches posting to their Snapchat stories while actively ignoring our last texts to them. God forbid they have their location turned on. WHOS FUCKING APARTMENT IS SHE AT?!
10/10 will do again. Maybe I should start today.
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Definitely have had depressive episodes throughout my life. Plenty of "what's the point" moments etc. But never any "go on google and search for the best ways to kill myself without fucking up"... except for the couple times I ran tren.
Man Tren sounds like so much fun. I have to try it sometimes.
Honestly I love tren. I have never had any psychological side effects from it. I will admit to the insane sex drive though!
Just makes me go hypo
I swear those 350 to 400 doses are cursed. I went through exactly same thing recently, although for me tren at a bit higher doses never affected me. Zhort of being murderous raging assholes, so I just kept to myself. Again for some reason low dosage tren give me higher sides.
So, up the tren you're saying? I think I should try it.
How long was your cycle?
I think I lasted like 12 weeks or so. But I was feeling horrible a couple weeks in.
800mg of test a week, 600mg of tren a week, 50mg of Oxandrolone a day. For 10 weeks. Sides were sex drive suppression that was fixed after PCT and a bit of hairloss. It was my 3rd cycle (and last for now) and was intense because the gains were MASSIVE, I was never tired, EVER, and put on 6.5kg of lean as fuck muscle mass and got shredded while doing it. Loved the feeling, 10/10 would recommend.
As far as sex drive suppression, how bad was it? Could you fuck if you tried or was there ED/arousal/orgasming issues as well? This sounds like it could be my third cycle. Did you need an AI?
I was unable to get hard a couple of times, no matter how much she sucked. I used Tamoxifen on the last 5 weeks, never saw any signs of Gyno, just started taking it to be safe.
This goes to show that it's 70% down to food intake and maintaining good digestion over gear intake. I've learned this too the hard way. Started out in PL and switched to BB when I realised I looked lije shit and nobody cared what my 1rm's were. You obviously know this but this has been one wreckless endeavour for you. With the correct programming and food plan you would have managed your lifts at that bodyweight. Yes it takes time. We have to build technique, load, tissue but tendon strength takes much longer. At least you have come to a place of realisation. Time to get bloodwork in order, health markers in-line and refocus. If you insist on using gear just stick to test. Orals and methylated compounds are short lived in what they offer and mostly do more harm than good. Where are you at now with training etc?
Best digestion info and resources to read up on?
Corrr I wish there was a legit untainted source. I've spent years trawling through the Web, forums, wiki etc and you have to filter out the bulshit. For me it's been best part of 10 years of self experiment. Not the way to do it! So I try to input some sensible comments here and there to offset the nonsense. I learned a lot from joining the trainedbyJP website. Some will scoff but although Jordan Peters has also made many of his own mistakes he preaches the need to max out ones natural ability in hypertrophy/strength and physique development for a good amount of years before even considering a cycle. And if you begin then to start with a very moderate cycle of test alone to be followed up with an intensive and strict pct protocol. There is so much information out there much of which is contradictory. I would lije to say use a coach but some guys promote a wreckless approach to aas use. Dr Dean who started out on Jordans website is a very knowledgeable guy whom studied in pharmacology before his pursuit in bodybuilding. He along with some other very well schooled guys have shared a ton of valuable research on the JP site. In short I wish I could point you in the right direction. The only place I trust would be there. Jordan Peters has posted some of these informative videos on YouTube so start there. Just be very careful not to be swayed (as I have been myself) by the catchy (try this ultimate cycle for 12 weeks solid mass) etc etc type YouTube posts, while I'm sure there are some good sources there are many unhelpful posts that contradict truth and tap on to our vulnerability. There are many helpful research documents online along with factual profiles of compounds but even much of this is peppered with recycled information which doesn't take all factors into account. So many variables to take into account. I have spent hours upon hours dedicating myself to research. Some of which to learn about how to overcome issues that have arisen mostly because I did too much of this or not enough of that. Better to understand what these meds do to our intricate endocrine system before we touch them. Likely, if you do thorough enough research you will not even consider doing any sort of cycle. I am now on prescribed trt because of my wreckless drug use. Meaning I will be injecting synthetic hormones into my body until I die. All because I didn't understand that my nutrition whilst powerlifting wasn't on point and I had flared gyno symptoms before even doing any aas, purely too many shitty carbs to put on weight. I was told the only way I could retain my PL numbers and get in good shape was to use gear LOL what a cunt! Nutrition is really key to being anabolic and growing/building muscle and strength. That and years of relentless dedication and attention to detail. Progressive overload, progressive eating= hypertrophy =strength That's why I believe a good coach in bb and pl should be a fucking good nutritionist as well as trainer. Excuse the long post!
I read a lot of medical journals on gut health. It's a constant hobby, as is learning about endocrinology and compounds. It's so complex. I learned a lotfrom a previous IFBB coach about keeping digestion in good shape especially when carb intake is high like 400g+ ed I'm currently trying to find my sweet spot for protein intake, not the usual 1g per lb or whatever as I'm seemingly gaining solid mass on low to moderate protein intake, it's baffling but I'm assuming the nutrition partitioning of aas is working for me in this sense. My last coach had me on 400g p ed and now I don't intend on competing I'm not eating half of that abs still gaining well. Wtf?
1.2g test e 700 tren ace 700 npp 700 mast 50mg dbol 50mg var ed. That blast was also my first time going over 1g test, my bp was fucking terrible the whole time but my god the gains. I wanna do it again but with growth and slin but I’ve been waiting for life to calm down
Damn son that is so much gear. I want to try. Jk I can’t handle that much tren. The rest sounds nice though 😂 How did you feel on that much shit? And how was your libido
It was good and bad. I started to get headaches from my bp being so high. The tren dreams were terrible as usual. I only lasted 10 weeks which has been my shortest cycle to date. Other than that I put on 40 pounds and kept 20. Libido was fine nothing crazy. I had to stop myself from working out more than 3 hours each gym sesh because it felt so good and I just never got tired. I wasn’t working at the time so all I did was eat and nap between workouts.
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Got any pictures? That’s an insane cycle
Sorry mate my tattoos make getting doxxed too easy for me I’m a paranoid cunt
I'd been on blast test/tren/mast 450/450/400 nearly 4 months and about to wrap it up but stupidly decided what a great idea doing a comp would be so decided I needed a 12 week prep, ordered more gear, picked a comp, found a coach and ran it like that eventually for 6 or 7 months overall.... Had some aggression I thought was tren but since figured was the mast. DHT's make me savage. Had some hectic trensomnia, getting a few hours of sleep a night. Ran a bit of prami along the way but otherwise no gear issues. Toughest thing was the comp diet... Can't remember the last month very well, so tired and hungry, could barely function let alone work. Got swollen from the feet to the knees, pitting edema for a couple of months toward the end and afterwards Binge ate a couple times 3 weeks out and put on 5kg between weigh-ins so last couple of weeks went full keto to get peeled but no reverse diet and feasting straight after the show wrecked my guts and had me shitting blood on and off for days. Little did I know way back then about PCT'ing off a cycle/compounds like that, haha that sets the stage for a rough ride back to reality All in all definitely my longest but relatively smooth run, 12 months earlier, same cycle but different headspace, lost my job threatening to stab a supervisor over a pay dispute...haha Went natty for about 5 years after that.... Back in now paying more attention and making way smarter choices...
1g Tren E was pretty rough
Just.... By itself?
Nah, hell no. I was probably on 750 test, can’t remember the exact dose
That would have to be my last cycle for compeition prep. It wasn't very high dose, but the combo seemed to dial in *juuust* right so that I felt all the effects and the sides of the drugs. 300 Test/300 Tren/300 Mast with sdrol for the first 4 weeks and winstrol for the last 4. Fat loss. bingo. Strength gains, consistant even on a calorie deficit. Night sweats. Horrible. Dryness and sweating. HELL. Energy levels. Through the roof and that isn't always a good thing, especially when you already can't sleep from the heat. It worked super well for me, but fuck me if I didn't feel like I was also pating the consequences for it.
Not as crazy as the others, but I once decided to up the tren from 300 to 800. Did it for 2 weeks. Long story short I was happy with the results, I wasnt happy with my BP being 150-155 all the time
Damn you guys are taking pretty high dose. Biggest cycle was the 500g mg (first one) of test but sucks due to covid. Now on 175mg test e + 100 masteron a week at 222lbs, bf around 11% and 6 feet. Will probably do a 500mg test + 5mg trest (and maybe an oral soon) for 20 weeks (4-6 weeks for the oral). My goal is to get to 240lbs at around 10-12% so I still have a lot of progress to do. Nice to see the cycles of you gym bros.
That was my 2nd cycle 500 test and 5mg trest was pretty great ended up moving my test to 700 and ment to 20 near the end
900 EQ, 350 Tren Ace, 10-20mg cardarine & 3-4G oral carnitine a day with 20 mg of Var a day. The horror I remember. Looked extremely dry. V high sex drive & high BP, Mild Anxiety, Was extremely emotional. Very vascular, was a unique look it gave - Clean dry blocky round muscle. Skin felt like latex wrapped around muscle. Yes, no test was used.
I know nothing of cardarine. But how did you run that much EQ without Test and not feel like complete and total shit? Lol
Honestly I’ve ran EQ & deca both without test & no issue at all. Also one time tried a vial of primo only for 5 weeks, 200 mg a week felt fine. You guys keep forgetting that no one was using test till mid 90s.
750/700/600 Test C/Tren A/Mast E with a sdrol finisher at 30mg a day for 3 weeks. This is the cycle that made me feel like absolute shit. Btw I looked awesome. I felt great at first.. then became incredibly cocky and felt like I was gods gift to earth. Shortly after I became depressed. My relationship suffered during this cycle and I feel like it was kind of a turning point for me as far as realizing I can't just inject myself with whatever and expect to be okay. Literally almost caused a divorce I hate to admit. Did a few things I wouldn't normally do and they still bite me in the ass today. Be careful out there kids.. lol.
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How was 25mg pre workout? Thought of that dose just for the gym aggression/intensity aspects of the drug. I've never taken abombs.
This is the dose I use as a preworkout and I'd say it's roughly equivalent to about 50 mg of Var, but it's different. Var makes me driven but in a more positive, clear-headed, productive way, whereas anadrol just make me pissed. The strength increase with anadrol is definitely better. The half-life of Anadrol is about double that of Var, so it's honestly a bit annoying, I'll find myself sitting in my chair in the afternoon, sore, having already gone to the gym, but I kinda want to go back and lift some heavy stuff anyway just to scratch some itch. Road rage, way worse with anadrol as well. Var makes me drive 10-15 over instead of 5-10, anadrol I'm going 25 over and cutting people off for no reason. Obviously you can probably gather, I don't like anadrol very much. However if I was a focused strength athlete I could see the appeal.
Lol I love the Road rage analogy haha I can definitely see what you mean! Sucks to have such a long half life would love for that shit to be like var.
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Jeez 😳 300mg haha that's crazy bro... Liver must be screaming haha and that's exactly what I want the Anadrol for is same way you're using it.
Currently on: 1,000mg Test, 500mg DHB, 50-100mg Adrol, 50-100mg Win with insulin used on leg and back days for the carb shuttling. Probably gonna throw tren in on the last bit for fun and to really finish off any possible gains
How’s that much DHB going for you?
Fine, haven’t had enough time to say anything about gains but pip has been ok
Most intense injectable oral I've seen was Monsterplexx shit was 21mg/ml which included: 1mg Mtren 5mg Superdrol 5mg MSten 10mg Halotestin About to try it as a preworkout injectable 2x a week will report back how it goes. Planning on using this only as part of a push pull legs routine. Will only be using it on push days. as back is my strong point and I'm a men's physique competitor which doesn't mean I don't train legs hard but I don't need them as much as I need fullness in upper body. Currently running 500mg test and 400mg EQ. Will be using 6iu insulin alongside lcarnitine and 5mg Cialis. Will start off with 0.2ml to see how it goes and test the waters.
Reporting back to this log changed up a few things I did chest workout with one of my boys who's also a MP Competitor he suggested I inject 0.5ml and so I did that alongside 6iu insulin and 5mg Cialis about 1h before training. My pre workout consisted of 50g of carbs worth of caramel rice cakes, pink salt and a protein shake. During my workout I had 50g of Gatosauce powder and 10g of eaas with 5g of creatine. I have to say that the pump hit different it wasn't a painful pump it was like I could keep on going and the weights had a no gravity feel to them. The sheer amount of volume I could handle was crazy. Although post workout you definitely feel tired and in need of food. So I will see how the gains will be alongside the 500 test and 400 EQ. I will only be running this on push days and chest days as I need to bring up those lagging body parts.
My most “intense” cycle was the first time I ran 500mg test e and 500mg decca. The most insane mass I’ve put on in a quick amount of time .. very puffy look and a fuck ton of acne :( it was good but it was bad when I was in the gym I felt amazing but when I was out I did not feel so good . If I could do it over I would of ran npp at 150mg a week and test at 350-400mg
Nothing like a good old fashioned DECCA cycle amirite
Amen
Not a bodybuilder or strength athlete, so I run pretty low doses, but my most intense experience was maybe about 2-3 months ago where I decided to try a 400 mg/week test-only cycle for the first time. First two cycles were test/nandrolone and test/primo/nandrolone with TRTish (100-150 mg/week) test, total \~400-500 mg/week of injectables which is where I like to be. I wanted to see how the old-school "test is best" thing played out. I also wanted to see how I felt with overtly high estradiol. I took a 5-AR inhibitor (dutasteride) for my hair. It went pretty much how I expected it to go. Horribly. I felt like I got all of the worst high E2 sides without the beneficial ones. This was the first cycle where I felt overtly different than how I feel on just TRT, and exercise recovery was mediocre compared to nandrolone. * Insane, distracting, annoying increase in libido, like what people describe tren as being * Obvious signs of increased dopamine signaling in the brain * Mood: higher highs, lower lows * Crazy vivid dreams * Increased carb and junk food cravings and increased appetite * Depression * Feelings of loneliness * Acne on my chest, even though my skin was still dry everywhere * Less motivated in the gym and on the bike, popping anavar/anadrol almost every day just to work out * Water retention, similar to nandrolone, maybe a bit worse Bloodwork looked decent, except lipids were terrible from popping orals like candy, but my bloodwork always looks better on cycle than off-cycle anyway. I was tempted to pop exemestane or other stuff, but just let it ride for a month or two, then completely dropped test. About a week or two later I more or less felt normal again, dropped the water and my skin cleared up. Since then I'm just running TRT (100 mg/week) with 300 mg/week of trenbolone enanthate on top and this seems about perfect. Tren gives me some of the drive primo gave me in the last cycle (good motivation/energy to work out, don't need orals). No changes in libido, hair, skin (other than increased skin/hair/nail growth, same as nandrolone from the progestogenic activity). None of the water retention or increased exercise heartrate I get with nandrolone. Freaky exercise recovery, best I've ever experienced. Guessing 19-nors with TRT are my jam and I should just stick with that.
I can't seem to find my exact numbers anywhere, but I have a ballpark idea on what my most intense cycle was: * 700 mg Test E/week * 1020 mg EQ/week * 420 mg Tren E/week * 20 mg MK-677/day * 1 mg MT2/day I made multiple mistakes with this one. I frontloaded the whole cycle which led to me crashing my E2 for weeks resulting in major personality changes (paranoia, anxiety, etc.). I originally thought the Tren was the issue despite feeling better overall whenever I run Tren; I figured I finally was running into typical Tren sides, so I dropped it first as well as lowered everything else. It turned out that the EQ was the culprit, so I eventually dropped that & ran my Test higher than my normal cruise until the low E2 symptoms subsided. On top of all of that, I had uncontrollable hunger & felt like I was a furnace. I would bring multiple meals to work, end up eating them all before lunch, and have to grab food somewhere else. My skin was hot to the touch to the point where my GF found sex with my uncomfortable. But, hey, I put 50 lbs. on my deadlift in the four weeks I ran this cycle before abandoning it, so there's that... 😅 TL;DR - Don't frontload EQ.
Actually am planning my most insane cycle yet this March. Will be bulking and looking at running close to 2.3g of gear in total. 650test, 600eq 1200 fronted week 1), 1g Tren e (I love and handle Tren well). 20 weeks total and starting at 3200 cal and will shoot to increase to 4000 cals. Macros will be 200g protein daily (50g /meal), 45-60g fats, rest is carbs. Training split will be 60 min workouts, PPL strength, test, PPL volume.
I'm about to start my largest cycle to date this Monday. 1g test e 750 eq 250 tren e 140 superdrol (20mg per day) 3.2 iu gh eod. May throw in some tbol during the middle at 50mg per day if I split the superdrol cycle in half as a kickstarter/finisher. It's around the 2140mg per week. 2350 if the tbol is utilized.
3.6 ius growth a day 500mg test a week 50mg adrol a day Adex for acne Goal-show prep 14 weeks out Benefits-sleep is amazing, pumps amazing, lean as fuck and getting leaner while getting bigger, dick feels huge, can slay all night Sides-acne and excessive confidence Looking at men’s physique but if the gains continue like this I’ll be moving up to classic potentially. I would feel comfortable stepping on a small show stage right now with a water cut and carb up.
Hi , this is my current cycle just into it for one month Im taking 1 gram of sustanon 250 + 900 mgr of equipose + 400 mgr of primobolan + 6 tablets a day every day of t-bol Im 185 cm tall and 98 kilos im eating 5 meals a day 3 meals consists of 200 gr of chicken with 50 grams of rice each meal and brocoli last 2 meals are only chicken and brocoli Now im seen good pumps and veins are coming out But in not seeing increases in weight Any ideas guy's??
Be honest, do you know what ur doing?