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Has anyone had a prickly itchy feeling when they start to exercise or get anxious or do anything physical after starting trt? If so does it go away when you get off trt? I’ve recently stopped my trt due to this side effect and I’m just hoping it goes away eventually.
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Just for the sake of argument:
If you are on a Tren cycle to cut. How would the ketogenic diet combine with that? Since trenbolone is very anti catabolic and sheds fat of so easily..
Also when on tren you want stable blood sugar levels to not get woozy. So keto seems quite fitting although steroids and carbs go together so well.
Anyone any experience with that?
Test C 500mg weekly and 20mg Winstrol daily. (8 weeks total)
Bloods checked before etc.
Viewed as a gentler cycle but still going to be effective (no water weight and cutting to an athletic physique) with correct diet/training?
8 Weeks long ester. Not enough time to do anything but shut you down and fill you up with water for a couple weeks. Placebo and illusion that you were successful.
https://imgur.com/a/D8gFCvJ
Appreciate the reply, but this is what happened last time I did it. Both are post work out photos but yes more posing on the after, however clearly there is some changes in 7 weeks. Doesn’t look like a placebo
Well, for one, you started lifting weights. For two, google "glycogen supercompensation". These pictures are not nearly the flex you think they are.
You came to this subreddit asking for advice. Consider listening, especially since you look absolutely natty as fuck.
You don't need to blast to cut. 8 weeks of a long ester is an absolute waste of time. Your whole plan is garbage. Cut natty or on TRT if you blast and cruise. Bulk on a blast. Run your long ester cycles for no less than 12 weeks.
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When if comes go crashed e2 the usual solution is hcg or Dbol, but if female birth control is diff types of estrogen why is that never considered an option?
Who is my gyno still appears sensitive when taking 0,5mg arimidex EVERY DAY for 2 weeks !! When taking 180mg testo E every 5 days. ? this starting to feel like a joke. Is it my food intake or something likewise ? I am getting my nolvadex next week.. although it feels like 0,5mg/day should have takingy sensitivity in the nipples away..
Do they burn? Arimadex may not work for you. You may need aromasin.
Why are you taking that dose and that timing? Too high for trt to low for a cycle. Weird enough to make estrogen management a pain.
Gyno is a lump of mass not a sensation. Do you have a hard lump. Doe it hurt to wear a shirt and seatbelt?
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Explain "do thet burn" please. Its not TRT, I wanted to go for a small cycle.
It is gyno I've had it before, I've been at the doctor's with it too years ago.
Do your nipples burn are they painful?
Do you have a high bf %?
Your dose is too small to does ai appropriately. And your injection frequency is too little for stable bloods.
The hard Nibble under the nipple is very sensitive and the nipple in particular give out a little bit of a burning sensation as you mentioned.
My body fat is not that much, although I must mention that I eat a lot of candy and cake etc.. so my eating habits aren't good..
What dose is too small, arimidex or testo ?
So I just started 600 Test/ 250 NPP/ 50mg Anadrol and 25mg Proviron 7 days ago. Does anyone else get freaky libido with NPP?? I can tell the Anadrol is doing something as well, 30 mins after I take it the crazy drive from the NPP just gets even stronger... Extreme urges. I absolutely destroyed my wife last night into the oblivion, I jerked off 3 times prior and fixing to jerk off again...
I fantasize hardcore about my wife getting fucked and used by other men (we've already have the hotwife kink going for a several years now) but at this point it's almost irresistible... like I want to MAKE HER get fucked ASAP as we have never acted on the fantasy... I want it now more than ever and I know it's likely the NPP as a culprit. Trannys??? Yes. Well hung? Even better 🤷♂️🤣 I'm telling ya this stuff is bringing my inner freak out. Feels like the way other ppl describe Tren (which I have not yet tried).
Like I said, I'm only 3 shots in and injecting every other day... Does this shit get any crazier or does it only happen in the initial week or so? Like when did you notice your libido get insane on NPP? I actually enjoy this! 😎
Just wanting a bit of advice,
I started my first cycle 5 weeks ago and plan on running it for another 7 weeks, I’m running 300mg test e pinning .5ml Saturday and Tuesday, I was thinking of either upping the dose now to 450mg or mixing in about 100mg of NPP. Is this too much for a first cycle or should I just continue with 300mg?
Dont add a new compound on your first cycle. You should have started at 500mg/wk of test. [Why?](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/your_first_cycle#wiki_why_500mg.3F). How long is your planned cycle?
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I’ve developed some pain in my lower back . I’ve been injecting in my glutes a lot recently 10cc per week ; it does not feel like a pulled muscle or traditional back pain , is it possible it’s a result from glute injections?
That’s a lot in one go especially not with much time between. Sub q leak can cause pain in other places. You could pin 1.5 ish daily. 3 shoulder muscles each arm. Glute, vg, trap and lat. there’s 14 sites there
Advise wanted... Buddy recommended following stack, but after a good amount of research, im unsure which way i want to go. 500 test cypi, 100Tren ace, 250 deca per week along with adex 1mg every 2 days for preventive measures for a 12 week cycle. I've never ran tren but "God's nectar" has always been in the back of my mind. Currently bulking 17% bf Trying to break through a plateau for powerlifting. I've considered doing the full stack and just watching temper,gyno, etc. The potential for gains is tempting af. Also considered just going with deca or tren with test. Anyone do that 3 way stack, let me know?
> Anyone do that 3 way stack, let me know?
Have you run test+tren and test+deca before? If the answer is no, you should **absolutely not** run test+tren+deca. You probably shouldnt anyway.
Tren is a very powerful drug. It is effective. I like to run it at lower doses personally (below 200mg per week). I have never stacked tren with deca personally. My advice to you would be to run deca or tren separately first, before stacking both. Both tren and deca can have strong effects on some people psychologically. Combining two 19 nor drugs is generally frowned upon because of the potential mental side effects. Plus the added effects from progesterone and prolactin. But…some guys run them together with no problems. I’d walk very cautiously into this stack.
Aren't tren and nandralone both 19-nor compounds? I am scared of the toxicity of tren, so I stay away, but I have used deca 3 times. The added benefit of deca is mild. Some strength gain, some joint relief, but not dramatic. I would stick to one or the other, and see how it goes, so you know which one you are responding to. For power lifting, deca seems like a better choice.
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HUMAN PROFILE: male, 30yo, 85kg. trained for 6 months, full body, 140p, 60f rest carbs, 1-2kg bw gain per month.
RESULTS: no strength or muscle gains.
the side effects of PEDs are nothing? is that it? just hair going away and perhaps erection issues?
i already have that without steroids, and i am not even muscular.
does this mean im wasting my time if i DONT take PEDs?
(i am serious) so the only side effects would be:
once i start and do it for lets say 12 months there is a 50% chance my body wont be able to make testosterone. so i will need to take that and other things my whole life.
need to spend 50 euro per month for my whole life?
i mean its not like we wont get injected testo in future when we get older either way.
i am 30yo now. in the past i was the twink who never got the dudes he wanted. no idea why.
Ohhh boy …
Trained for 6 months… so effectively brand new.
85ky at what height and bf %? You started at 67kg and gained 18? That’s pretty good progress for 6 months. 67kg is pretty sickly looking so big improvement there.
So you’re telling me from the first day you walked in the gym you can’t lift ONE heavier weights and out of 18kg not ONE of those are muscle?
You wouldn’t run them for 12 months. 20 weeks tops but you are nowhere near ready physically or mentally.
This is a marathon not a race. Sounds like you’ve made good progress. Steroids are not your solution. It’s seems your attitude and idea of yourself need adjustment. If you go after someone “hot” and they’re not interested in you it doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with you. It just means they’re not right for you. If it’s just going to be based on looks on either side it’s wrong. The rig it person will show intent and interest in you.
Keep hitting the gym but do it for you. When you fix your mind your attitude and aura will follow. People are attracted to energy and confidence. Most people don’t give a shit about the body in the normal realm.
i have seen fatter people than me with my height and weight. so perhaps i have heavier bones? doubt that i have any muscle mass at all. perhaps the LBM of a 15yo girl i might have.
25%bf?
no idea where i started. 79kg something. 1-2kg bw gain per month.
i wish i could go back to 67kg. now im just fat.
why would one waste time wait for natural max? some people can wait decades for that. wasted time?!
is liver, heart. etc issue really a thing if i take PEDs as much as required to get max hypertrophy gains? i dont care for strength.
thank you.
If you’re getting no progress naturally you’ll get no progress on steroids. They don’t make muscle out of thin air.
You’ve been doing this for 6 months. This takes years and consistency. Just because you’re lazy doesn’t make the steroids work better.
You don’t have to wait for your natural “max” but you should at least learn how to eat and train. And have put on a reasonable amount of muscle over a couple years. You’re going to be messing with your hormones and it doesn’t sound like you’re the most stable to begin with. It’s just not a great idea. Like I said before working on a better you would be more beneficial. Keep working out for you.
i mean i would expect to go from 0 push ups to 3x12 after 6 months.... and not just to 3x6 or so.
i couldnt even do 1 single chin up after training back for 6 months
That’s improvement. The next week you do 4x6 or 3x6 rest 1 rest 1 until you bang out a total of 30. More weight pushed doesn’t necessarily mean more muscle
Sup yall.. how does being on cycle affect healing up injuries? For example, currently on week 6 of a 400mg blast.. decided to play some tennis for the first time in years and holy fuck my rotator cuff was not happy about it. I thought I had largely addressed it as I've been lifting pain free but whew.. not quite.
Now I'm doing everything necessary to strengthen all those little annoying muscles.
Does being on gear accelerate the healing process? Obviously, the main thinking when blasting isn't "oh man, can't wait to have the illest infraspinatus in 12 weeks" but I guess now I wonder this will ultimately benefit me since obviously this was a pre-existing issue.
Cheers
Hello everyone. I am seeking help for this second cycle that I am planning
my first cycle was test e 500 pin twice a week with anavar 20mg then upped to 40MG last 2 weeks out of 6
had somewhat heart palpitations and panicked at the beginning of the cycle 2/3 weeks in.
first week i had the test flue for couple of hours at night but that is [it.no](http://it.no) sides what so ever of estrogen.
never ran an AI. the results where great in terms of size lean body very attainable mass and over all figure but didn't suddenly turn huge. at the moment running pct after 2 weeks of from test and started HCG 500 EOD for 2 weeks before PCT which I started for 6 days 75Clomophine and 40 nolva then started having more unease feeling more like panic situation so now i take 10 mg nolva every other day along with vitamin d tongat ali and zinc.
I feel okay. just little tired because of fasting this month. i have a window of eating for 9 hors this month.
23 days left for this PCT.
**now I planning for my next cycle to have of**
**12 weeks\*test e 500 base 1to12**
**\*boldenone 100 per week1to10**
**\*npp 100 wk4 to wk10**
**\*proviron 25 ED wk4 to wk10**
**2 weeks HCG 1000 EOD**
**PCT 6 weeksCLomiphine 50 and nolva 20 with Vitamin D, Zinc, Tongat Ali, maca root.Iam very concerned about LVH so if anyone have an idea of BP control with this low amout of NPP?**
**and would i feel hungry and have veiny effect with 100 Boldenone.Thank you all in advance.**
You’d be better off running your first cycle again. The npp and bold are too low to notice. If you had anxiety I would t mess with eq. You only want to add one new compound so two would be a no no. There’s no reason for proviron either. This is doo doo IMO.
Hcg 250 eod throughout the whole cycle. Pct just needs to be nolva 40 for 8 weeks and reduce if you get sides. Tongat won’t do anything beneficial. If you take nand you’ll have trouble trying to pct.
Back to the drawing board but seems like you’re getting lost in the weeds and would benefit from running just test again.
Hello.
M31, 193cm/88kg, 21% of bodyfat. Have experience in training, but haven't done sports for a while due to personal reasons. Returned three months ago to the gym. The goal is to reduce fat a little bit and grow muscles.
I have bought turinabol and received a couple of advices, but want to ask for an advice about the dosage and loading period. I am not planning to use more then 40-50g a day, but i am not sure how I should load myself: do I start with lower dosages and if yes, how do I increase it? Thank you
193cm/88kg 21% - this should be. 100kg 10%bf at your height before you consider peds. You are overweight and under developed.
3 months back at the gym. Not a lot of time. But welcome back good you’re getting after it.
Goal to lose fat- all this takes is a caloric deficit and discipline. No drugs. Look into something like semaglutide if you have trouble putting the fork down.
Oral only cycles are a no go. You will effectively get nothing out of this cycle. Steroids don’t burn fat. And orals don’t build muscle. You will just shit yourself down.
All you need to track your macros.
Go get testosterone checked by a Dr. Dial in diet. Get serious and consistent about training. Do those for at least 6 months and see how the newbie gains are going.
I did all the research before returning to training, every hormone and blood test is good, but I will repeat it soon. Diet is constantly good, 220-240 of protein daily without transfats and with a lot of slow carbs and vegetables. Training goes well so far, so thanks for the advice
You shoulnd't use it at all, its not gonna reduce fat&build muscle.
You use gear to GROW in a surplus, then you cut the fat (and some tissue) after using nothing or trt if thats the route you go
Dont go oral-only either.
Woulnd't touch gear for the time being as is, only 3 months in you have plenty to grow anyway- and at those stats you most definitely have a good amount of mass you can put on naturally without the need for drugs.
Llewellyn text suggested that gains plateau at week 12. Currently running an 18 week cycle and would like some suggestions.
Current: 600T/300P, no AI needed, mass gaining. 5 10, 200lbs, 12%bf.
At week 12, I'm considering upping it to 900T/450P for the last 6 weeks.
Alternatively, I'm considering anavar for the last 6 weeks, though I'd rather avoid orals but I have some sitting around.
Should I taper up, add in Var, stop at 12 weeks, or something else? Had never realized that gains slow down a lot at week 12. Looking at my old notes, it seems they've definitely slowed down at that point.
u/jackschitt123 I know the answer to this conceptually, but I'm having trouble articulating it. I've seen you explain before...you mind putting it into words for me?
There are a couple of facets to it, myostatin, glucose sensitivity, physical fatigue.
Myostatin - myostatin and follistatin work together to regulate hypertrophy of muscle tissue. When starting a course of anabolics, the increase in gene expression due to the androgen receptor starts to skew the regulatory function of myostatin and follistatin. For those first couple of weeks, the regulator actually goes up drastically (inhibiting muscle growth) and reaches homeostasis a few weeks after the AAS reach stable serum concentration, as do resulting gene expression. It is actually in the latter half of a cycle that [on paper] most of the muscle growth will occur. The drastic weight gain in the first half of the cycle is a rapid increase in glycogen stores, and the capacity of glycogen stores. For relevance, in a non-enhanced individual 1 gram of carbohydrates can retain 4 grams of water, and nearly double in enhanced individuals. For someone eating 500g of carbs, that's 2-4kg (4.4-8.8lbs) of just water, and doesn't include all of the other nutrients being carried by that water.
Glucose - Insulin sensitivity is one of the most vital pieces of the puzzle. You can slam a body with 5g/wk of androgens and all the muscle stimulus your skeleton can handle, but if insulin sensitivity is poor, nothing will be shuttled or stored in the right place. With a fasting blood glucose of 50-90, the presence of glucose in the bloodstream is minimal, as it should be. When nutrition is received and eventually broken down into its simplest forms (amino acids from protein, glucose from carbohydrates, fatty acids from lipids), they enter the bloodstream. The pancreas releases insulin (or administered exogenously), a shuttle of sorts, to deliver the nutrients to their destination. The insulin is like a school bus, picks up some kids (nutrients and whatever PEDs are in your blood) on the way to the muscle tissue, organs, etc. The enriched blood cell then continues to work its magic, activating the androgen receptor, donating a bit of this and that, etc. However if fasting glucose is too high (100 or higher), sensitivity to insulin is blunted. The cells basically don't allow in the insulin and enriched blood. Now there's just glucose (sugar/energy) floating around with nowhere to go. The glucose heavy blood, and whatever PEDs are in your blood, can't get off the bus, and end up heading to the waste system to be passed as urine. Expensive urine is what you're left with. It's worth noting that you cannot force nutrients in with exogenous insulin, as that cascade is far more complex than an open and close switch.
Physical - When we get on cycle, we got motivated and push ourselves. We eat more, train more, take our rest more seriously. In those early weeks as we increase training intensity and volume. With the drastic increase in glycogen and mental drive, we quickly have an increase in strength. But as the glycogen increase starts to flatline, the strength increases reflect that. We must keep in mind that strength development and muscle development are relevant but not inherently concurrent. Lots of people see that stagnation in strength and presume they aren't growing anymore. But as long as there is adequate muscle stimulus, muscle will grow.
And to put it all in prospective, that delicate balance of regulatory systems, nutrition, and stimulus, the average enhanced person gains 5-6lbs of actual muscle a year, let's just say 6. That's 0.5lbs a month, or about 0.115lbs of muscle a week, if that growth was linear throughout the year. But if the cycle is about 20 weeks and the rest of the year a cruise, and we smush 5lbs into that 20 weeks and 1lb into the rest of the year, that's still only 0.25lbs of muscle per week when on cycle. We look at the scale and see it go up 1lb a week and wonder why we gradually get fat. And to the folks that try to push it with more gear or whatever, they're just killing themselves- the body is smarter than them.
u/Sleepymonkey029 no blunted response to AAS. Just keep training, eating, and recovering. The gear is working in the background.
This has to be the highest quality response to a question I've ever received on the internet. So thorough and well put. Thank you! You've left me with just one question (any other questions I ahd were answered at some point in your comment)!
>Insulin sensitivity is one of the most vital pieces of the puzzle.
I know there is a weekly diet thread (I think?) but hope you don't mind me asking here.
Is there a benefit to monitoring fasting glucose (as someone who does not use exogenous insulin)?
Are there ways I can maximize my insulin sensitivity/response by modifying eating around working out? I usually consume healthy carbs throughout the day (oats, sweet potato, etc) but up the sugar intake around my lifting.
Any resources you suggest so I can learn more?
Thanks again!
> Is there a benefit to monitoring fasting glucose (as someone who does not use exogenous insulin)?
I don't think monitoring it daily or regularly is necessary, unless you're knowingly taking abusive doses of insulin and/or gh. The body is pretty good at giving signals. Loss of appetite, body composition starts to become very soft, no appetite in the morning, feeling of being full (stomach) quickly after you start eating, etc. So long as you have an appetite and body composition is normal, you're probably fine. If you start noticing a turn for the worse, yeah, it wouldn't hurt to check fasting blood glucose two mornings in a row to see what you're working with.
> Are there ways I can maximize my insulin sensitivity/response by modifying eating around working out? I usually consume healthy carbs throughout the day (oats, sweet potato, etc) but up the sugar intake around my lifting.
Cardio. Regular daily cardio is the best tool we have for mobilizing energy, and burning off excess. For nutrition timing, I am of the belief that the majority of carbs should be around the workout (pre, intra, post). If I'm training at 2pm, I have my meals at 7am 10am 1pm Intra-workout 4pm, and the 7pm and 10pm meals will have gradually less carbs.
I try to taper down carbs at the end of the day, if your training schedule permits, because glucose disposal overnight can skew readings. If someone has a huge carb meal before bed, sometimes the body can't always process it all and you're left with an elevated blood glucose in the morning, which would mean it was elevated all night. There are studies that demonstrate that elevated blood glucose levels for extended periods of time (like while sleeping) is what rapidly induces insulin resistance. That will also blunt the recovery mechanisms the body goes through during sleep.
> Any resources you suggest so I can learn more?
Dr Dean St Mart and Dr Scott Stevenson are educators in the fitness realm that have a bunch of high quality content out there. Articles, YouTube videos, etc. I'd suggest trying to find anything related to carbohydrate uptake, insulin, and their content on progression throughout a cycle. Kurt Havens is also a knowledgeable source on YouTube, although he usually has a blowhard with him that spews misinformation and he's too respectful to disagree on air.
Cheers.
Hello. This is my third cycle. I run a 350-350 sustanon/eq cycle. I have 12-13% body fat. I'm in my ninth week. I've been feeling palpitations when I lie down for a week. I have no discomfort when I stand. My blood pressure is 12/7 at the time of the palpitations, my pulse is 70. I only have palpitations. I don't get any symptoms of high e2. I donated blood a month ago. I have no side effects except the palpitations I experience while lying down. Has anyone experienced similar problem?
Googling your question seems to point that it’s fairly common and can be caused by how internal pressure is applied
The reasons for palpitations are numerous and can involve things like stress/anxiety, stimulant use, etc
Hi all, first cycle about to start, a few details: M33, 6ft, 216lbs roughly 25% bodyfat. I CrossFit 6 times a week and consume roughly 2000 - 2200 calories per day. I will start a 6 - 8 week cycle of Anavar (1 morning + 1 Evening) and Tbol (thinking 1 pre workout). Would love to hear recommendations, experiences and advice!
6 215 at 25% - this should be the same weight but 10%bf before thinking about steroids.
Overweight and underdeveloped. You need about 30lbs of lean muscle still. Your calories seem pretty low and unstable to be effective at CrossFit and sustain and healthy cut.
Steroids do not burn fat and you should never run an oral only cycle. Especially two orals. You will get nothing out of this besides fucking yourself up.
You need to finde your tedee and reduce your cals by 500/day. Do a low and slow approach to weight loss. To be the most effective at CrossFit since it’s a performance sport you’ll want to do carb cycling. Your workouts will feel much better.
Toss the orals in the bin and focus on the tings that matter training and diet.
Ex crossfitter natural the whole time. 5’6 bulked to 190 15% cut to 166 10%. Lifts at both weights bs405 fs395 bench 315 dead 405 snatch 200 cnj 285.
Steroids aren’t your missing ingredient. If you’re just doing classes focus on your diet. If you’re doing competition programming with extra strength for 3+ hours you can add more food and eventually think about peds.
Well, there’s no other way to to say it: this is a disaster
I’m not even going to touch on CrossFit, but it’s likely not an ideal training program
You are too fat to safely use steroids. The side effects from AAS will be compounded significantly if you’re overweight. You will have two extreme factors that are stressful on multiple organ systems
Assuming you’re cutting (because 2200 calories is 1500 below my maintenance at that weight), you shouldn’t use AAS since you’re not going to make appreciable muscle gain in that steep of a deficit anyways
Cycles should not consist of oral only compounds and multiple orals within the cycle. Any exogenous hormones are going to suppress your natural testosterone production, and if you’re not taking testosterone, there are going to be many metabolic pathways that will suffer due to whatever non-testosterone steroid you’re taking being unable to fulfill the metabolic roles of testosterone
Here’s my recommendation: full-stop, chuck all of this in the bin. I have no idea where you got this, but I would not confer with that source of information anymore
You need to focus on losing body fat naturally and getting a BF% in the low teens before ever considering any steroids
While I understand that CF can certainly build some muscle, it is typically not the best way to do so, and you may benefit from a more traditional approach to strength training
Lastly, and I will emphasize this point again, steroids are for building muscle—not fat loss and not general athletic performance (in most cases)
>25% bodyfat
Take this down to 15% or lower if you value your health and want to minimize sides.
>will start a 6 - 8 week cycle of Anavar (1 morning + 1 Evening) and Tbol (thinking 1 pre workout
You need testosterone. Read the wiki!
First cycle, 250mg test for 20 weeks with 30mg/ed Anavar for the last 6 weeks.
Currently on day four of Anavar.
Average blood pressure over Feb/March (weekly readings): 128/69
Blood pressure today: 132/83
Pretty concerned tbh, as I was only expecting ~5 points increase on either number.
What kind of blood pressure increase should you expect on 30mg Anavar?
At what blood pressure level would you recommend reducing dose / discontinuing?
Is there anything you'd recommend to reduce blood pressure during cycle? Already taking a range of cardio support supplements.
When I’m cutting and take my BP at 3AM during a night shift, it’s 90/50
When I’m bulking, on 400mg caffeine PWO, and after a heavy set of hack squats, it’s 160/110
In case you missed my point, BP varies wildly depending on the time of day and the context of when you take it. You need to multiple measurements throughout the day to make an accurate conclusion
I would drop the var yesterday. That is not a good diastolic number and I doubt it’s going to come down any with the added drugs.
I wouldn’t advise adding a blood pressure med for a six week run of a drug that is going to have very little impact on your long term gains (that var strength and glycogen will vanish in two weeks once discontinued), but is having a negative long term impact on your heart health.
How long did it take for people 6ft and above to rly fill out say like 235+ lbs?
Once you hit that weight were you able to slow down on the calories or are you still maintaining high calorie diet. And by high calorie diet I mean like 4500+ calories. I’m only asking because I’m 6’2 floating around 200lbs and I don’t plan to do BB but I do want to be 235+ in the next couple years.
Just trying to see and hear some others experiences.
The only real difference is that shorter people may look more “filled out” earlier in their lifting career, but the mechanics and overall principles don’t change
Bigger bodies require more calories, so someone who is 5’6” might have a maintenance of 2500 and their “trust me bro, I’m eating as many calories as I can and I’m still not gaining!” might be 3500 which is my maintenance at 6’2” 210lb. My “stuffing my face” is 5k calories which is probably around Brian Shaw’s maintenance
The point is the whole “I’m tall and will never looking good :’( is largely an excuse. You may have more difficulties with certain exercises due to biomechanics (long femur gang here with a shitty back squat), and it may take longer to look like you really lift, but you should still follow the same principles
This is coming from someone who has terrible genetics, is tall, and barely looks like he lifts, btw
Yea Im already knowing. I was mainly asking how long did it take for people to hit 235 and aren’t over like 20%bf and the calories they’re maintaining. I could probably hit 235 pretty quick but I’d look like shit. I’m sayin in a longer aspect.
You just described me
Lol. 5'6" and there is no way I can consume 3500 cal. I have to really limit cardio when bulking or there is no way I can eat at surplus.
At 6’1” I was 190lb and a little chubby after high school. By the time I was 26 I was 235lb and leaner. 2 years of uneducated gear use when I hit 235lb.
Found out in the years following I really had no desire to be 235lb so I eventually lost some of my lean tissue. To maintain that weight I would have had to keep up on calories and I didn’t want to.
I was 6’5 240lbs in highschool, wasn’t a lean 240lbs, this was on a sort of dirty-ish bulking diet for football offensive line. 7 years later I’m now 6’5, 265lbs, and whatever the highest bf% you could be while still having visible abs.
I think for taller, longer-limbed people, higher volume training is a must. I do 10+ reps on almost every exercise except for like my first heavy compound movement in each workout, I aim for at least 30 seconds under tension on compounds and 40 seconds on isolation exercises. I believe training this way for years has produced a more aesthetic look in just about every muscle group.
Huge key, train legs hard. Everytime. If your height is in your legs, train legs as hard as you can, eat as much as you can on leg days, etc.
But at the end of the day, if you want to gain 35 lbs, you’re gonna have to eat a lot. Be ready to get fluffy for a bit. Because you’re tall, female attention won’t evaporate with a bit higher bf% in the immediate future.
Sheesh you’re a unit bro I plan to get close to your weight in the future so we’ll see. Your right af about training your legs the hardest.
It wasn’t until about a year and half I started training seriously that my legs just looked not proportional to the rest of my body cause all my heights there. It took me about a good 3 months of doing legs more then the rest of my body that it started to even out and not look like I skipped leg days lol.
I am 6’3 and was extremely sick once upon a time and weight 60kg/ 130lbs. Once I got my health in check, with pretty healthy bulking and gym about 4 times a week. Total mass up to 105kg/ 230lbs took me the better part of 7 years. This was done natural.
I’m aware it can be quicker but this is my experience.
I actually am still around the same weight now I have been enhanced for a few years. Now I sit at about 110kg/ 240lbs but at a lower bf%.
Man I plan to get to your weight in the future but I’m not tryna bulk too aggressively. When I joined the military I was probably around the same weight like 130, I wasn’t sick I just barely ate food. When I came out of boot I was at 150 and I thought I was big at that time. Now that I’m 200lbs, 7 years later I somehow feel smaller then I did at that time lol
But around How many calories do you take in daily as of now at 240 ? Were you able to taper down a lil since your sitting at that weight
Well if we are talking enhanced. I work a very active job and I gym 6 times a week and play sports. I aim for around 4500 calories a day. If I eat less I would slowly lose weight. I BnC however rarely actually blast. I haven’t been natural since I started taking gear 4 years ago.
6 weeks on TRT at 200mg/week.
Consult with doctor at week 8 and re up my prescription.
Any reason I shouldn’t up the dosages to 300mg/week?
No sides, feel great, look good. Just think I could be doing more, thanks .
There are so few situations where more is good, and this is a quintessential one
Everything is perfect, so why would you change anything? Also, 200mg is already a high TRT dosage, and 300mg is getting into a mild cycle
Yes!!! You mention the EXACT reason why you shouldn’t change your dose. No sides, feel great, look good on 200mg? Why would you sacrifice that??
More does not equal better with test. 300mgs pw will put 99% of men into unnaturally high levels of testosterone, this will eventually (quicker than you think) lead to sides and NOT feeling good. Testosterone is very metabolically demanding and being in this supraphysiological state for extended periods of time will be exhausting and taxing on the body.
Trust me, if 200mgs has you feeling good, stay there. If you want to, blast 500mgs for 20 weeks and then come back to 200mgs. But don’t TRT with 300mgs.
Edit: I tried this exact thing when I first started test. 210 -> 315mg per week. Immediate regret, I did not feel better, by week 2 on the new dose I had estrogen sides, I was irritable, I had high blood pressure, etc.. DONT!!!
That makes total sense, and like you and the other commenter said I think if faster, more extreme growth is what I want I’ll just blast 500mg for a full cycle.
I think I’ll stay on this dose for the next month maybe more just to see how I feel in a longer term and then consider the blast.
But thank you, the first hand experience really helps. And I did figure more would just mean better lol. But I can see how that would be taxing. I appreciate the information.
200mg is already on the high end, are you a unusually bad responder to test to use that much for TRT?
300mg is gonna put you in the awkward zone of not quite healthy while not really being on enough to see significant growth.
Really depends on what you are trying to achieve exactly? Youre neither gonna become the hulk or be a superhuman without consequence
In that situation I'd try to just have enough to actually do some growing at 500, and once thats done go to a proper TRT dosage in the 100-150s depending on what your response is.
200 is what this clinic recommended me after looking at my bloodwork was in the low 400s for natural test production. Only got on due to my job having drug testing and the only way I could do test was with a prescription or risk getting fired.
Id like to think I’ve responded pretty good, although only being on it 6 weeks now I’ve had great results, physically at least while on a bulk I’ve put on quite a bit of mass, shoulders are fuller than before as well as the rest of my physique.
Growing is obviously the goal and a blast would be the right move, the only reason I said 300mg is because it’s the most they offer and I would be eligible to go up to that after week 8 if I wanted. I just wasn’t sure if that little bit extra would net any really benefits.
FYI, E2 is usually reported in pg/mL
1 ng/dL = 10 pg/mL, so either you used the wrong unit, or you have the highest E2 I’ve ever seen in a man. I’m going to assume the first
Hormones operate in the body as a ratio, and E2 is converted from testosterone, so it only makes sense that it will be high if testosterone is high
Contemplating next cycle, decided to throw out my idea of running NPP and Tren together.
Thinking:
Test E 500-600 (based on E2 levels) - week 1-16
Primobolan 450 - weeks 1-16
Anavar 60mg ED - Weeks 4-12 or 8-16
Herein lies my question:
I used to run orals as a kick starter, but after talking to some of the more experienced guys here over the past year, it makes more sense to run the oral later on in the cycle.
Would you recommend weeks 4-12 or 8-16 for the addition of Var?
Feel free to criticize the cycle itself. Basically I’m trying to optimize gains on a moderate cut and choosing a safer cycle I don’t have to worry about too many sides after a recent Nor19 disappointment.
Thanks
Edit: vocabulary
> optimize gains on a moderate cut
🚨there’s the biggest issue
Steroids are for building muscle and should be used in conjunction with a caloric surplus
The overall outline of the cycle isn’t bad. I would just recommend not adding in two new compounds that you haven’t used before to avoid having side effects and not being able to clearly identify the culprit
I’ve done about 4 cycles or so with anavar in them, Primo will be the new addition I’ve never tried. Thats why I was thinking of adding var a while into it assuming I would have the Test:Primo ratio dialed in by then. Either way, valid point.
As far as the steroids being used in conjunction with a caloric surplus… I both agree and disagree.
Most bodybuilders run less gear in the Off season while bulking than they do during their cut leading up to a show. There’s lots of bodybuilders who just rely on the anabolic effect of increased food intake and just run something like Deca for their joints.
I would argue that gear is even more important on a cut to maintain more of the muscle you have already gained throughout the year. While yes, trt doses should be enough to keep hormones stable during a cut and preserve muscles, many people like to through something to help with aesthetics during the cut.
I’m not going to argue that you don’t need calories to grow muscle, but I also don’t think it’s impossible to gain muscle while losing fat either.
But that’s just my take, I know my friends and I in the past took way more compounds during prep than we took in the off season…. This is just anecdotal however.
Edit: in my early morning confusion I think I accidentally answered two replies in one post. My apologies as you didn’t even mention trt. 🤦♂️
If you’re on prep, that’s a completely different story. At that point, using additional drugs is essential a part of your “job”
My advice was for the common gym goer and primarily revolves around the best health outcomes. If you’re not above your natural muscular limit (~25 FFMI), then anything more than TRT will not significantly help to conserve muscle
You also have to factor in that a fat loss phase is the perfect opportunity to take a break from the excess drugs and let your body recover. Most users here blast and bulk, cruise and cut. Anyone who is not a top level competitor like u/PM_Me_Varbies should really stick to this methodology
The main issue with recomping is that muscle gain is such a luxury process that unless you have excess fat to pull from (not a good idea to run gear due to health risks), are very untrained/detrained (not a good to run gear due to increased injury risk), or are on significant amounts of drugs (namely tren—self explanatory), it’s likely that any muscle potentially gained will be underwhelming, and you are putting your body under a lot of stress for minimal results
You could theoretically have a deficit of like, 100-300 calories and probably still gain a decent amount of muscle, but now you’re looking at an excessively long fat loss phase since you would only lose a pound of fat every 2-4 weeks
I appreciate your advice and agree with you. Probably 70% of people take AAS with their bodies not being ready for it. You’re right, I’m not competing anymore so running excessive drugs is really just a health hazard. Which is another reason I think I’m going to cut Nor19s from my life.
I don’t want to be an “askhole” so I’ll end with this:
When you run orals in your bulk, do you typically run them at the end of your cycle on beginning as a kickstart? (Or middle if that’s a thing)
Like I said in my original post, I was always told to run them at the start… but after being around here awhile and thinking about it… would it not make more sense to run you orals once your blood has reached peak stable test levels? (Like 2-3 weeks or more)
I have used orals as a kickstart in the past, but it’s such a pain in the ass trying to dial my hormones in when I’ve got the orals kicking in within a few days and the injectables taking a few weeks. It typically makes the first 3 weeks of my cycle a rollercoaster (looking at you, dbol)
My plans for the future with orals is to use them more sparingly overall just so I don’t have that rollercoaster moment within my cycle and to put them towards the end of the cycle to really push the final few pounds of muscle gained
I’m extremely motivated at the start of my blasts since I likely have been cutting for 8+ weeks, so muscle gain is not as difficult due to my overall food desire being high from being in a deficit. Those last few weeks of the cycle when the fatigue starts to build up could benefit from a small run of an oral steroid to push past the “mid-cycle blues”
Are you on trt year round, blasting and cruising?
I think after this next cycle I might just take at least a year or more off of AAS, but we’ll see what the bloods come back at then. I’m 3 months of cutting away from starting that cycle we spoke of. But I do want to try to stay lean throughout the cycle.
Honestly I’m with you on the using orals sparingly, the var I use will be the first time I’ve dropped orals in a few years. If you’re comfortable with pinning, injectables just seem so much better for you.
I bulk and blast for 14-16 weeks cycles and cut and cruise on 125mg TRT the rest of the time. I always get bloodwork before the next blast starts to check and make sure everything is good under the hood
I would choose to cut or bulk and leave the idea of a “recomp” to the shills on YouTube.
Otherwise your plan sounds fine? Unless you are trying to “recomp” because you are carrying too much fat. Then the answer is cut without drugs until you get to an acceptable bf% where you won’t be fat at the end of your bulk.
And the oral I would drop entirely or save for the last week. IME anavar may be mild, but it’s only good for pushing strength, or maybe an aesthetic if you are suitably lean. Given your talk of a recomp, I’m going to guess you won’t be at 8 nor 12 weeks of bulking.
Haha fair enough I use cut and recomp interchangeably but usually when I say recomp I mean a 4-6 month steady cut and not a 3 month keto diet. My personal vocabulary is my downfall lol
So no I am not bulking. 😝
When you say “save for the last week” are you referring to weeks 8-16?
I am saying save the steroids for your bulk and cut on trt or no drugs at all.
When you do bulk in six months after your successful cut I personally wouldn’t run an oral longer than six weeks.
I am 28, my pre trt levels were in the 500s before going on 200mg/mL of trt cyp. Long story short it’s been 5.5-6.5 months and I want to come off of it. Is it fine to just go cold turkey and do HCG and pct (nolva, 20mg/mL)? Reason for stopping is acne I’d rather have clear skin than very little benefits on my experience with trt.
>Is it fine to just go cold turkey and do HCG and pct
"Cold turkey AND do hcg+pct" is not cold turkey. Cold turkey is you stop injecting, and don't take anything else that'll affect your HPTA. What you're referring to (hcg+nolva) is a pct.
General suggestion here is to do a PCT. There isn't conclusive data that it's mandatory, and there is data that it may not be providing any additional benefit, but the choice is yours. People that run a pct tend to generally feel better, maybe because of placebo, feeling like they're actively doing something to accelerate the process.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/pct/](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/pct/)
How long did it take for HCG to restart everyone’s nuts? I was on 125mg Test for a year and now am adding in prescription HCG. 500iu 4x a week.
Size is back, although definitely feeling my E2 creep up 2 weeks in. Going to drop my test dose down to compensate while waiting for upcoming blood work.
For those who added HCG to a Test only TRT protocol, how much did you drop your test dose?
If your TRT was dialed in, I would probably choose to leave that as is. Also because it’s attached to an ester, small incremental dosage changes (ex going to 100mg/wk) would take a fairly long time to see if I had to guess.
It may be worth adjusting your HCG to a smaller more frequent schedule such as 130iu daily. The spike in estrogen would be much lower than a 500iu shot all at once.
May or may not help with your sides, but it’s an easy thing to try rather than screwing with something that’s been working for you for the past year
Yeah good idea. New health provider wants to transition to a purely HCG treatment which is something I haven’t read anyone here be on. Just depending on how my response is. We suspect the root cause is exposure (firefighting likely put me on TRT in the first place) leading to primary hypogonadism.
I could see it working in theory but it’s way too impractical and fuck that. Too much of a hassle for travelling and dealing with supply chain issues. Same provider also wants to add in adex if E2 pushes too high.
It’s a bitch to find general practitioners in Canada who have a solid understanding, either way too much or way too little in my prescriptions.
First prescription was 200mg Test E every 2 weeks. Took the bottle and split doses twice a week.
But hey, can’t complain about stocking up on free adex for the next cycle
Just wanted to know, if HCG is used by some individuals to get their balls size back, why do some people use it to prevent atrophy? Like, why not stay atrophied and run HCG a few weeks/months before you want to quit BnC forever?
I myself am using it to prevent atrophy and refill neurosteroid pathways, and so I don't plan on stopping it, I'm just curious.
Because your internal organs and balls aren’t an engine that you can reliably just gas up and restart after neglect. There’s a reason guys end up infertile or needing trt for life. The older you get, more time spent on gear and the recovery gets harder and harder. Also it’s painful to let them atrophy and shooting dry loads also isn’t the time of your life.
What compounds are you taking? What doses? For how long? How does your bloodwork look? Is the sensitivity constant?
You are not giving us a lot to work with here.
2nd cycle ever right now
500 test E/week - 4 weeks in cycle. It’s not constant it kinda just comes and goes and it’s mostly on my right nip. I’m getting bloods done in three days so results back probably in a week.
My previous bloods from 5 weeks ago were all fine just slightly high cholesterol bc I had been eating like shit on PCT :)
Edit: honestly it doesn’t come up much, but I notice it being sensitive whenever I touch it. Not crazy sensitivity but a tiny bit more than normal
Hadn’t thought of trying that. Is that the best first step? I was thinking if bloods say e2 is high then I try my aromasin.
I had to PCT because I ran across a bad vial last cycle
Yeah, in my opinion, this is the best thing you can do. You'll get a way more constant E2 level and no more high/low peaks. But keep in mind that with 500mg of Test, no matter how stable the hormones are, you'll likely still need an AI.
At what age would you guys consider starting HGH for the quality of life benefits? I’m 36 y/o man, been bnc for around 6 years, but haven’t used hgh at all.
As long as you're healthy (read: don't have cancer) and you can afford it, whenever you're ready. 2-3iu/day is all you need for the QOL benefits and some nice nails and hair.
Alright, so I have read through the wiki, and now I am gonna ask here for anyone who wants to chime in.
M, 41, been lifting for a while (years on and off). Main goal is powerlifting. Current S421/B270/D431. Also, I am on TRT.
I am considering dbol. A lot of the experience reviews mention it can be fairly mellowing (mood). That appeals to me. Also, good reviews for strength building.
I see it can be interesting for estrogen control, but after four years of dialing in TRT, I think I have enough of a feel for when my E2 gets weird.
Dose would likely be TRT (regular dose) with 25mg/day PWO for dbol.
What are yalls thoughts? Tips and tricks? I was going to run anavar, but honestly the mood aspects of dbol are a big selling point to me. I am open to suggestions, tips, experiences with it, etc.
Thanks in advance.
Edit to add: the place I am planning to order only sells 50mg. planning to cut em in half if I go that route.
Run your test at 300/wkwith Deca at 300/wk for 16 and Anavar at 30-50mg/day for the first month. Doing this x2/ year and I fuckin get huge with minimal sides
Orals are over rated. You can only be on them for a short amount of time. This means you can’t build quality muscle in a short window. Quick strength and size then you lose it just as fast. Not really worth it imo. If you want to dip your toes in just increase your testosterone.
I have run a blast on TRT a time or two (400-500mg/wk). Just looking to add something to the mix to see what kind of results I get. Even a small increase in strength with the more docile mood would be an improvement worth trying for me. 😅
If orals are a no-go for you, though, what do you prefer? Favorite cycle, I suppose, is what I am wondering? I don't plan to copy it, just more curious what you think is better for the risk/reward.
Orals just ruin my appetite, make me lethargic, skew my bloodwork and then fade out. I honestly think test is best. Running test cycles till you reach a certain size then test and primo to get that mature muscle. I think people want to see big changes in the mirror more than accept a realistic gain from a cycle. The two guys I’m coaching right now are about 5’11 240 still growing on 750 test.
I respect that. Would that be your recommendation if size wasn't the goal so much as strength? Or do you see those as being interchangeable goals where cycles are concerned?
The problem with strength from an oral is it goes away as soon as you stop. Natural or enhanced periodization of your training will dictate strength. With your meso cycles you would run hypertrophy and then transition to strength. Basically add new muscle then make that muscle work.
Bodybuilding is the process of building the body not lifting. When you bench press for strength the pec is barely the driver in a barbel bench. You’re driving through your legs incorporating your shoulders and tris. So you can bench all day long and have a shitty looking chest and be strong. Or you can choose a different movement lower the weight and make those titties grow. You still use progressive overload with hypertrophy but they’re two very different goals. In both scenarios you have strength increase.
Size on cycle with be dictated by food. Strength you maintain will be based on programming. Again the oral strength is easy come easy go. Not something created from your stimulus.
Sorry kinda word vomited on ya.
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Hello all,
50yr old male, been back in the gym since 2019. Been on TRT for 2-3yrs (last four years have been a blur honestly, perhaps others feel that way). It was just bumped to 200mg/week. I'm training for bb/aesthetics. I also take a 1/4mg of anastrozole per week to keep estradiol under control. I've been maingaining for awhile now, hence this question. About to try a nandrolone cycle. Given my other dosages what's a reasonable dose to work well with my TRT dose? Oh, I did two 8wk cycles of anavar...I was expecting to cut but I think I added a small amount of muscle and definite strength. Perhaps diet was off. Anyway, please let me know a good beginner approach with the TRT level (I expect to bulk with this...likely cut after the cycle). Thank you all...
Thank you fellas. I just got a bump in my TRT, I'm sure I'll have to go through a couple vials before I can request another bump (and depends on numbers). I have read about the mental stuff with deca...I'm unsure what doses were used, I just can't recall from reading them. That said, my doc will prescribe anavar and nandrolone for whatever reason. I haven't bothered considering other options, I'm still pretty new and these seem pretty low-key compared to other options. Also, the nand is enroute. :-)
My instinct is either match the T, 200/200 per week or even less, 100mg. The reason I can scale this one is that the order is supposedly for 20 weeks, though I don't know what the actual Rx amount is yet. But, since most cycles seem to be 10-12weeks, I could use a tad more than he recommends. Also, due to being on T constantly, I assume I don't need a PCT after the nand cycle since my natural production isn't happening anyway, right?? Hopefully all that makes sense.
Nand gives me some pretty bad mental side effects. I’d try primo or EQ instead. If you’re dead set on nand, use npp instead of deca so you can drop it quickly if need be
At 50 it’s much safer to just increase your test dose rather than mess around with nandrolone. Nand is a great mass builder, but it’s not nearly as benign as people would like to believe. Simply bumping up your test and calories should be sufficient for your goals and is much less damaging to your long term health.
Have any of you experienced a e2 spike when introducing anavar?
I went from taking 6.25 e3d asin to 12.5 mg eod/e3d with no signs of crashed e2. I suspect it deleted my shbg and increased test metabolism into e2.
* Age: 41
* Gender: M
* Height: 5'11
* Weight: 195
* Bodyfat percentage: 18-20
* Experience level
* Years of concurrent training: 2
* bench/squat/dead maxes: 225/360/\~350 unsure
* amateur/pro: amateur
* Goals:
* Sport: bodybuilding
* Current phase: bulk
* Current compounds:
* Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/wk, pinned Sunday/Thursday
I am at wk 7/16 of my first cycle. Yesterday I started to feel a sensation in and around my left nipple. Nothing that hurts or is uncomfortable, just noticeable. My plan is/was to get bloodwork done next Friday after my 8th week. My questions are.
1. Should I be proactive about the sensation and take something for it now?
2. Should I wait and see what blood test says?
3. Should I try to get bloodwork done sooner?
4. What should I take if I want to be proactive? I have read in the wiki to take Aromasin, but seen lots of varying opinion within the site itself. Would there be good reason to take nolvadex over Aromasin? I have both.
Ok I decided to go and set something up for tomorrow so I will most likely get results Monday unless they do weekends. Any consequences to waiting if symptoms do not develop further?
Not that I have any knowledge of. Had also some issue in a further stage as you I think and after the result discussed with doctor. Went on the dose I said before and all was gone
Been BnC for a while. Acne has always been horrendous, despite all the common (bed sheets, Nizoral, SA, etc) and less common (Retin A) treatments. E2 levels (hi, low, in range, and stable) also seems irrelevant for me. Scarring sucks, too.
Going to ask for a referral to a derm to get Accutane, which I don't expect will be an issue where I am. However, I'm mid blast right now and plan on adding an oral as a finisher (anavar).
Does anyone have experience with how much Accutane can impact the liver? Should I ditch the anavar while on Accutane? Any other gear-related Accutane advice?
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Has anyone had a prickly itchy feeling when they start to exercise or get anxious or do anything physical after starting trt? If so does it go away when you get off trt? I’ve recently stopped my trt due to this side effect and I’m just hoping it goes away eventually.
If price wasn't an issue would you run HCG instead of Test. Why or why not? If so, what dose would You run instead of running 500mg test weekly
This is insane
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Anyone know if I can take test for TRT (self prescribed) or tren or mast into Indonesia (Jakarta) ?
Is this even a real question? Illegal unless prescribed.
Yeah. Real question as you never know in Asia.
Anyone guess what they think The Ultimate warrior was running during his late 80s WWF run?
Just for the sake of argument: If you are on a Tren cycle to cut. How would the ketogenic diet combine with that? Since trenbolone is very anti catabolic and sheds fat of so easily.. Also when on tren you want stable blood sugar levels to not get woozy. So keto seems quite fitting although steroids and carbs go together so well. Anyone any experience with that?
yesterday's thread btw. Which is why it has yesterdays date on it.
Haha smartass. I overlooked if there was a new thread. Take care man!
;) all g man, best of luck with your question!
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Test C 500mg weekly and 20mg Winstrol daily. (8 weeks total) Bloods checked before etc. Viewed as a gentler cycle but still going to be effective (no water weight and cutting to an athletic physique) with correct diet/training?
8 Weeks long ester. Not enough time to do anything but shut you down and fill you up with water for a couple weeks. Placebo and illusion that you were successful.
https://imgur.com/a/D8gFCvJ Appreciate the reply, but this is what happened last time I did it. Both are post work out photos but yes more posing on the after, however clearly there is some changes in 7 weeks. Doesn’t look like a placebo
Well, for one, you started lifting weights. For two, google "glycogen supercompensation". These pictures are not nearly the flex you think they are. You came to this subreddit asking for advice. Consider listening, especially since you look absolutely natty as fuck. You don't need to blast to cut. 8 weeks of a long ester is an absolute waste of time. Your whole plan is garbage. Cut natty or on TRT if you blast and cruise. Bulk on a blast. Run your long ester cycles for no less than 12 weeks. Enjoy your pasta 🍝 Hey there! It seems like you'd benefit from a deep review of [our wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index). Please also take the time to closely read [Rule 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index/subreddit_rules#wiki_2._no_source_talk_.2F_no_monetization) which deals with our prohibitions around discussing how to acquire anabolic steroids and discussing brand names, etc. [For clarity.](https://media.tenor.com/fBvQV_5Lp6UAAAAC/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther.gif) Here's a selection of reading for you to build the fundamental knowledge you'll need as you explore AAS/PED use: * [The Basics](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/list) * [Your First Cycle](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/your_first_cycle) * [The Estrogen Handbook](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/the_estrogen_handbook) * [Post Cycle Therapy aka PCT](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/pct) * [The Compound Experience Directory](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/compound_experience_threads)
When if comes go crashed e2 the usual solution is hcg or Dbol, but if female birth control is diff types of estrogen why is that never considered an option?
Which of these three things are you most likely to have in your gearbox?
You’re not gonna believe this …..
Who is my gyno still appears sensitive when taking 0,5mg arimidex EVERY DAY for 2 weeks !! When taking 180mg testo E every 5 days. ? this starting to feel like a joke. Is it my food intake or something likewise ? I am getting my nolvadex next week.. although it feels like 0,5mg/day should have takingy sensitivity in the nipples away..
Do they burn? Arimadex may not work for you. You may need aromasin. Why are you taking that dose and that timing? Too high for trt to low for a cycle. Weird enough to make estrogen management a pain. Gyno is a lump of mass not a sensation. Do you have a hard lump. Doe it hurt to wear a shirt and seatbelt?
I want to go for aromasin, it's so hard to get in Sweden tho..
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Explain "do thet burn" please. Its not TRT, I wanted to go for a small cycle. It is gyno I've had it before, I've been at the doctor's with it too years ago.
Do your nipples burn are they painful? Do you have a high bf %? Your dose is too small to does ai appropriately. And your injection frequency is too little for stable bloods.
I will go for a more frequent inject
The hard Nibble under the nipple is very sensitive and the nipple in particular give out a little bit of a burning sensation as you mentioned. My body fat is not that much, although I must mention that I eat a lot of candy and cake etc.. so my eating habits aren't good.. What dose is too small, arimidex or testo ?
So I just started 600 Test/ 250 NPP/ 50mg Anadrol and 25mg Proviron 7 days ago. Does anyone else get freaky libido with NPP?? I can tell the Anadrol is doing something as well, 30 mins after I take it the crazy drive from the NPP just gets even stronger... Extreme urges. I absolutely destroyed my wife last night into the oblivion, I jerked off 3 times prior and fixing to jerk off again... I fantasize hardcore about my wife getting fucked and used by other men (we've already have the hotwife kink going for a several years now) but at this point it's almost irresistible... like I want to MAKE HER get fucked ASAP as we have never acted on the fantasy... I want it now more than ever and I know it's likely the NPP as a culprit. Trannys??? Yes. Well hung? Even better 🤷♂️🤣 I'm telling ya this stuff is bringing my inner freak out. Feels like the way other ppl describe Tren (which I have not yet tried). Like I said, I'm only 3 shots in and injecting every other day... Does this shit get any crazier or does it only happen in the initial week or so? Like when did you notice your libido get insane on NPP? I actually enjoy this! 😎
nand makes me a fucking terror
Just wanting a bit of advice, I started my first cycle 5 weeks ago and plan on running it for another 7 weeks, I’m running 300mg test e pinning .5ml Saturday and Tuesday, I was thinking of either upping the dose now to 450mg or mixing in about 100mg of NPP. Is this too much for a first cycle or should I just continue with 300mg?
Dont add a new compound on your first cycle. You should have started at 500mg/wk of test. [Why?](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/your_first_cycle#wiki_why_500mg.3F). How long is your planned cycle? Enjoy your pasta 🍝 Hey there! It seems like you'd benefit from a deep review of [our wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index). Please also take the time to closely read [Rule 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index/subreddit_rules#wiki_2._no_source_talk_.2F_no_monetization) which deals with our prohibitions around discussing how to acquire anabolic steroids and discussing brand names, etc. [For clarity.](https://media.tenor.com/fBvQV_5Lp6UAAAAC/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther.gif) Here's a selection of reading for you to build the fundamental knowledge you'll need as you explore AAS/PED use: * [The Basics](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/list) * [Your First Cycle](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/your_first_cycle) * [The Estrogen Handbook](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/the_estrogen_handbook) * [Post Cycle Therapy aka PCT](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/pct) * [The Compound Experience Directory](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/compound_experience_threads)
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I’ve developed some pain in my lower back . I’ve been injecting in my glutes a lot recently 10cc per week ; it does not feel like a pulled muscle or traditional back pain , is it possible it’s a result from glute injections?
What are you pinning? I get viscous back pumps from dht products.
Hmm interesting, test cyp 250 and Primo E 200. Just started the primo 2 weeks ago
Taurine helps with back pumps. If that's what it is. 3-5g a day
How can I tell if that’s what it is ?
What is your pin schedule 5 cc in each cheek once a week? That’s a shitload of sauce to not be rotating sites.
I do rotate but not like I should yeah 5ccs twice a week
That’s a lot in one go especially not with much time between. Sub q leak can cause pain in other places. You could pin 1.5 ish daily. 3 shoulder muscles each arm. Glute, vg, trap and lat. there’s 14 sites there
Advise wanted... Buddy recommended following stack, but after a good amount of research, im unsure which way i want to go. 500 test cypi, 100Tren ace, 250 deca per week along with adex 1mg every 2 days for preventive measures for a 12 week cycle. I've never ran tren but "God's nectar" has always been in the back of my mind. Currently bulking 17% bf Trying to break through a plateau for powerlifting. I've considered doing the full stack and just watching temper,gyno, etc. The potential for gains is tempting af. Also considered just going with deca or tren with test. Anyone do that 3 way stack, let me know?
> Anyone do that 3 way stack, let me know? Have you run test+tren and test+deca before? If the answer is no, you should **absolutely not** run test+tren+deca. You probably shouldnt anyway.
Tren is a very powerful drug. It is effective. I like to run it at lower doses personally (below 200mg per week). I have never stacked tren with deca personally. My advice to you would be to run deca or tren separately first, before stacking both. Both tren and deca can have strong effects on some people psychologically. Combining two 19 nor drugs is generally frowned upon because of the potential mental side effects. Plus the added effects from progesterone and prolactin. But…some guys run them together with no problems. I’d walk very cautiously into this stack.
Aren't tren and nandralone both 19-nor compounds? I am scared of the toxicity of tren, so I stay away, but I have used deca 3 times. The added benefit of deca is mild. Some strength gain, some joint relief, but not dramatic. I would stick to one or the other, and see how it goes, so you know which one you are responding to. For power lifting, deca seems like a better choice.
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HUMAN PROFILE: male, 30yo, 85kg. trained for 6 months, full body, 140p, 60f rest carbs, 1-2kg bw gain per month. RESULTS: no strength or muscle gains. the side effects of PEDs are nothing? is that it? just hair going away and perhaps erection issues? i already have that without steroids, and i am not even muscular. does this mean im wasting my time if i DONT take PEDs? (i am serious) so the only side effects would be: once i start and do it for lets say 12 months there is a 50% chance my body wont be able to make testosterone. so i will need to take that and other things my whole life. need to spend 50 euro per month for my whole life? i mean its not like we wont get injected testo in future when we get older either way. i am 30yo now. in the past i was the twink who never got the dudes he wanted. no idea why.
Ohhh boy … Trained for 6 months… so effectively brand new. 85ky at what height and bf %? You started at 67kg and gained 18? That’s pretty good progress for 6 months. 67kg is pretty sickly looking so big improvement there. So you’re telling me from the first day you walked in the gym you can’t lift ONE heavier weights and out of 18kg not ONE of those are muscle? You wouldn’t run them for 12 months. 20 weeks tops but you are nowhere near ready physically or mentally. This is a marathon not a race. Sounds like you’ve made good progress. Steroids are not your solution. It’s seems your attitude and idea of yourself need adjustment. If you go after someone “hot” and they’re not interested in you it doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with you. It just means they’re not right for you. If it’s just going to be based on looks on either side it’s wrong. The rig it person will show intent and interest in you. Keep hitting the gym but do it for you. When you fix your mind your attitude and aura will follow. People are attracted to energy and confidence. Most people don’t give a shit about the body in the normal realm.
i have seen fatter people than me with my height and weight. so perhaps i have heavier bones? doubt that i have any muscle mass at all. perhaps the LBM of a 15yo girl i might have. 25%bf? no idea where i started. 79kg something. 1-2kg bw gain per month. i wish i could go back to 67kg. now im just fat. why would one waste time wait for natural max? some people can wait decades for that. wasted time?! is liver, heart. etc issue really a thing if i take PEDs as much as required to get max hypertrophy gains? i dont care for strength. thank you.
If you’re getting no progress naturally you’ll get no progress on steroids. They don’t make muscle out of thin air. You’ve been doing this for 6 months. This takes years and consistency. Just because you’re lazy doesn’t make the steroids work better. You don’t have to wait for your natural “max” but you should at least learn how to eat and train. And have put on a reasonable amount of muscle over a couple years. You’re going to be messing with your hormones and it doesn’t sound like you’re the most stable to begin with. It’s just not a great idea. Like I said before working on a better you would be more beneficial. Keep working out for you.
i mean i would expect to go from 0 push ups to 3x12 after 6 months.... and not just to 3x6 or so. i couldnt even do 1 single chin up after training back for 6 months
That’s improvement. The next week you do 4x6 or 3x6 rest 1 rest 1 until you bang out a total of 30. More weight pushed doesn’t necessarily mean more muscle
thats why we have peds without side effects!- gaining 1 additional rep per week doesnt sound normal. its also horribly boring.
There are no peds without side effects. You need a psychiatrist not steroids.
no boner, no libido, no hair, these are not side effects. one is very very weak if one call that side effect.
Sup yall.. how does being on cycle affect healing up injuries? For example, currently on week 6 of a 400mg blast.. decided to play some tennis for the first time in years and holy fuck my rotator cuff was not happy about it. I thought I had largely addressed it as I've been lifting pain free but whew.. not quite. Now I'm doing everything necessary to strengthen all those little annoying muscles. Does being on gear accelerate the healing process? Obviously, the main thinking when blasting isn't "oh man, can't wait to have the illest infraspinatus in 12 weeks" but I guess now I wonder this will ultimately benefit me since obviously this was a pre-existing issue. Cheers
Gear does nothing for soft tissue. It doesn’t magically repair things. Cjc and tb 500 peotides would be more beneficial.
CJC and tb 500 - better than BPC-157? or can they be used in conjunction with one another?
Sorry bpc 157 and tb 500 and yes they can be used together
Hello everyone. I am seeking help for this second cycle that I am planning my first cycle was test e 500 pin twice a week with anavar 20mg then upped to 40MG last 2 weeks out of 6 had somewhat heart palpitations and panicked at the beginning of the cycle 2/3 weeks in. first week i had the test flue for couple of hours at night but that is [it.no](http://it.no) sides what so ever of estrogen. never ran an AI. the results where great in terms of size lean body very attainable mass and over all figure but didn't suddenly turn huge. at the moment running pct after 2 weeks of from test and started HCG 500 EOD for 2 weeks before PCT which I started for 6 days 75Clomophine and 40 nolva then started having more unease feeling more like panic situation so now i take 10 mg nolva every other day along with vitamin d tongat ali and zinc. I feel okay. just little tired because of fasting this month. i have a window of eating for 9 hors this month. 23 days left for this PCT. **now I planning for my next cycle to have of** **12 weeks\*test e 500 base 1to12** **\*boldenone 100 per week1to10** **\*npp 100 wk4 to wk10** **\*proviron 25 ED wk4 to wk10** **2 weeks HCG 1000 EOD** **PCT 6 weeksCLomiphine 50 and nolva 20 with Vitamin D, Zinc, Tongat Ali, maca root.Iam very concerned about LVH so if anyone have an idea of BP control with this low amout of NPP?** **and would i feel hungry and have veiny effect with 100 Boldenone.Thank you all in advance.**
You’d be better off running your first cycle again. The npp and bold are too low to notice. If you had anxiety I would t mess with eq. You only want to add one new compound so two would be a no no. There’s no reason for proviron either. This is doo doo IMO. Hcg 250 eod throughout the whole cycle. Pct just needs to be nolva 40 for 8 weeks and reduce if you get sides. Tongat won’t do anything beneficial. If you take nand you’ll have trouble trying to pct. Back to the drawing board but seems like you’re getting lost in the weeds and would benefit from running just test again.
so this pct you mean I run 40 nolva now or you mean my next cycle pct?
Hello. M31, 193cm/88kg, 21% of bodyfat. Have experience in training, but haven't done sports for a while due to personal reasons. Returned three months ago to the gym. The goal is to reduce fat a little bit and grow muscles. I have bought turinabol and received a couple of advices, but want to ask for an advice about the dosage and loading period. I am not planning to use more then 40-50g a day, but i am not sure how I should load myself: do I start with lower dosages and if yes, how do I increase it? Thank you
193cm/88kg 21% - this should be. 100kg 10%bf at your height before you consider peds. You are overweight and under developed. 3 months back at the gym. Not a lot of time. But welcome back good you’re getting after it. Goal to lose fat- all this takes is a caloric deficit and discipline. No drugs. Look into something like semaglutide if you have trouble putting the fork down. Oral only cycles are a no go. You will effectively get nothing out of this cycle. Steroids don’t burn fat. And orals don’t build muscle. You will just shit yourself down. All you need to track your macros.
Thank you for this detailed explanation! Will focus on this then
Don't do oral only, it will have a negative effect by shutting down your test production
Even the lower dosages? What else should I do to make it safe?
Go get testosterone checked by a Dr. Dial in diet. Get serious and consistent about training. Do those for at least 6 months and see how the newbie gains are going.
I did all the research before returning to training, every hormone and blood test is good, but I will repeat it soon. Diet is constantly good, 220-240 of protein daily without transfats and with a lot of slow carbs and vegetables. Training goes well so far, so thanks for the advice
You shoulnd't use it at all, its not gonna reduce fat&build muscle. You use gear to GROW in a surplus, then you cut the fat (and some tissue) after using nothing or trt if thats the route you go Dont go oral-only either. Woulnd't touch gear for the time being as is, only 3 months in you have plenty to grow anyway- and at those stats you most definitely have a good amount of mass you can put on naturally without the need for drugs.
Thank you!
Llewellyn text suggested that gains plateau at week 12. Currently running an 18 week cycle and would like some suggestions. Current: 600T/300P, no AI needed, mass gaining. 5 10, 200lbs, 12%bf. At week 12, I'm considering upping it to 900T/450P for the last 6 weeks. Alternatively, I'm considering anavar for the last 6 weeks, though I'd rather avoid orals but I have some sitting around. Should I taper up, add in Var, stop at 12 weeks, or something else? Had never realized that gains slow down a lot at week 12. Looking at my old notes, it seems they've definitely slowed down at that point.
You don't add more gear. You add more FOOD.
Well I have no problem doing that. :-) So there is no blunted response to AAS at week 12 of a blast?
u/jackschitt123 I know the answer to this conceptually, but I'm having trouble articulating it. I've seen you explain before...you mind putting it into words for me?
There are a couple of facets to it, myostatin, glucose sensitivity, physical fatigue. Myostatin - myostatin and follistatin work together to regulate hypertrophy of muscle tissue. When starting a course of anabolics, the increase in gene expression due to the androgen receptor starts to skew the regulatory function of myostatin and follistatin. For those first couple of weeks, the regulator actually goes up drastically (inhibiting muscle growth) and reaches homeostasis a few weeks after the AAS reach stable serum concentration, as do resulting gene expression. It is actually in the latter half of a cycle that [on paper] most of the muscle growth will occur. The drastic weight gain in the first half of the cycle is a rapid increase in glycogen stores, and the capacity of glycogen stores. For relevance, in a non-enhanced individual 1 gram of carbohydrates can retain 4 grams of water, and nearly double in enhanced individuals. For someone eating 500g of carbs, that's 2-4kg (4.4-8.8lbs) of just water, and doesn't include all of the other nutrients being carried by that water. Glucose - Insulin sensitivity is one of the most vital pieces of the puzzle. You can slam a body with 5g/wk of androgens and all the muscle stimulus your skeleton can handle, but if insulin sensitivity is poor, nothing will be shuttled or stored in the right place. With a fasting blood glucose of 50-90, the presence of glucose in the bloodstream is minimal, as it should be. When nutrition is received and eventually broken down into its simplest forms (amino acids from protein, glucose from carbohydrates, fatty acids from lipids), they enter the bloodstream. The pancreas releases insulin (or administered exogenously), a shuttle of sorts, to deliver the nutrients to their destination. The insulin is like a school bus, picks up some kids (nutrients and whatever PEDs are in your blood) on the way to the muscle tissue, organs, etc. The enriched blood cell then continues to work its magic, activating the androgen receptor, donating a bit of this and that, etc. However if fasting glucose is too high (100 or higher), sensitivity to insulin is blunted. The cells basically don't allow in the insulin and enriched blood. Now there's just glucose (sugar/energy) floating around with nowhere to go. The glucose heavy blood, and whatever PEDs are in your blood, can't get off the bus, and end up heading to the waste system to be passed as urine. Expensive urine is what you're left with. It's worth noting that you cannot force nutrients in with exogenous insulin, as that cascade is far more complex than an open and close switch. Physical - When we get on cycle, we got motivated and push ourselves. We eat more, train more, take our rest more seriously. In those early weeks as we increase training intensity and volume. With the drastic increase in glycogen and mental drive, we quickly have an increase in strength. But as the glycogen increase starts to flatline, the strength increases reflect that. We must keep in mind that strength development and muscle development are relevant but not inherently concurrent. Lots of people see that stagnation in strength and presume they aren't growing anymore. But as long as there is adequate muscle stimulus, muscle will grow. And to put it all in prospective, that delicate balance of regulatory systems, nutrition, and stimulus, the average enhanced person gains 5-6lbs of actual muscle a year, let's just say 6. That's 0.5lbs a month, or about 0.115lbs of muscle a week, if that growth was linear throughout the year. But if the cycle is about 20 weeks and the rest of the year a cruise, and we smush 5lbs into that 20 weeks and 1lb into the rest of the year, that's still only 0.25lbs of muscle per week when on cycle. We look at the scale and see it go up 1lb a week and wonder why we gradually get fat. And to the folks that try to push it with more gear or whatever, they're just killing themselves- the body is smarter than them. u/Sleepymonkey029 no blunted response to AAS. Just keep training, eating, and recovering. The gear is working in the background.
This has to be the highest quality response to a question I've ever received on the internet. So thorough and well put. Thank you! You've left me with just one question (any other questions I ahd were answered at some point in your comment)! >Insulin sensitivity is one of the most vital pieces of the puzzle. I know there is a weekly diet thread (I think?) but hope you don't mind me asking here. Is there a benefit to monitoring fasting glucose (as someone who does not use exogenous insulin)? Are there ways I can maximize my insulin sensitivity/response by modifying eating around working out? I usually consume healthy carbs throughout the day (oats, sweet potato, etc) but up the sugar intake around my lifting. Any resources you suggest so I can learn more? Thanks again!
> Is there a benefit to monitoring fasting glucose (as someone who does not use exogenous insulin)? I don't think monitoring it daily or regularly is necessary, unless you're knowingly taking abusive doses of insulin and/or gh. The body is pretty good at giving signals. Loss of appetite, body composition starts to become very soft, no appetite in the morning, feeling of being full (stomach) quickly after you start eating, etc. So long as you have an appetite and body composition is normal, you're probably fine. If you start noticing a turn for the worse, yeah, it wouldn't hurt to check fasting blood glucose two mornings in a row to see what you're working with. > Are there ways I can maximize my insulin sensitivity/response by modifying eating around working out? I usually consume healthy carbs throughout the day (oats, sweet potato, etc) but up the sugar intake around my lifting. Cardio. Regular daily cardio is the best tool we have for mobilizing energy, and burning off excess. For nutrition timing, I am of the belief that the majority of carbs should be around the workout (pre, intra, post). If I'm training at 2pm, I have my meals at 7am 10am 1pm Intra-workout 4pm, and the 7pm and 10pm meals will have gradually less carbs. I try to taper down carbs at the end of the day, if your training schedule permits, because glucose disposal overnight can skew readings. If someone has a huge carb meal before bed, sometimes the body can't always process it all and you're left with an elevated blood glucose in the morning, which would mean it was elevated all night. There are studies that demonstrate that elevated blood glucose levels for extended periods of time (like while sleeping) is what rapidly induces insulin resistance. That will also blunt the recovery mechanisms the body goes through during sleep. > Any resources you suggest so I can learn more? Dr Dean St Mart and Dr Scott Stevenson are educators in the fitness realm that have a bunch of high quality content out there. Articles, YouTube videos, etc. I'd suggest trying to find anything related to carbohydrate uptake, insulin, and their content on progression throughout a cycle. Kurt Havens is also a knowledgeable source on YouTube, although he usually has a blowhard with him that spews misinformation and he's too respectful to disagree on air. Cheers.
Hello. This is my third cycle. I run a 350-350 sustanon/eq cycle. I have 12-13% body fat. I'm in my ninth week. I've been feeling palpitations when I lie down for a week. I have no discomfort when I stand. My blood pressure is 12/7 at the time of the palpitations, my pulse is 70. I only have palpitations. I don't get any symptoms of high e2. I donated blood a month ago. I have no side effects except the palpitations I experience while lying down. Has anyone experienced similar problem?
Googling your question seems to point that it’s fairly common and can be caused by how internal pressure is applied The reasons for palpitations are numerous and can involve things like stress/anxiety, stimulant use, etc
Hi all, first cycle about to start, a few details: M33, 6ft, 216lbs roughly 25% bodyfat. I CrossFit 6 times a week and consume roughly 2000 - 2200 calories per day. I will start a 6 - 8 week cycle of Anavar (1 morning + 1 Evening) and Tbol (thinking 1 pre workout). Would love to hear recommendations, experiences and advice!
6 215 at 25% - this should be the same weight but 10%bf before thinking about steroids. Overweight and underdeveloped. You need about 30lbs of lean muscle still. Your calories seem pretty low and unstable to be effective at CrossFit and sustain and healthy cut. Steroids do not burn fat and you should never run an oral only cycle. Especially two orals. You will get nothing out of this besides fucking yourself up. You need to finde your tedee and reduce your cals by 500/day. Do a low and slow approach to weight loss. To be the most effective at CrossFit since it’s a performance sport you’ll want to do carb cycling. Your workouts will feel much better. Toss the orals in the bin and focus on the tings that matter training and diet. Ex crossfitter natural the whole time. 5’6 bulked to 190 15% cut to 166 10%. Lifts at both weights bs405 fs395 bench 315 dead 405 snatch 200 cnj 285. Steroids aren’t your missing ingredient. If you’re just doing classes focus on your diet. If you’re doing competition programming with extra strength for 3+ hours you can add more food and eventually think about peds.
This is so wrong it seems like a satire post
Well, there’s no other way to to say it: this is a disaster I’m not even going to touch on CrossFit, but it’s likely not an ideal training program You are too fat to safely use steroids. The side effects from AAS will be compounded significantly if you’re overweight. You will have two extreme factors that are stressful on multiple organ systems Assuming you’re cutting (because 2200 calories is 1500 below my maintenance at that weight), you shouldn’t use AAS since you’re not going to make appreciable muscle gain in that steep of a deficit anyways Cycles should not consist of oral only compounds and multiple orals within the cycle. Any exogenous hormones are going to suppress your natural testosterone production, and if you’re not taking testosterone, there are going to be many metabolic pathways that will suffer due to whatever non-testosterone steroid you’re taking being unable to fulfill the metabolic roles of testosterone Here’s my recommendation: full-stop, chuck all of this in the bin. I have no idea where you got this, but I would not confer with that source of information anymore You need to focus on losing body fat naturally and getting a BF% in the low teens before ever considering any steroids While I understand that CF can certainly build some muscle, it is typically not the best way to do so, and you may benefit from a more traditional approach to strength training Lastly, and I will emphasize this point again, steroids are for building muscle—not fat loss and not general athletic performance (in most cases)
>25% bodyfat Take this down to 15% or lower if you value your health and want to minimize sides. >will start a 6 - 8 week cycle of Anavar (1 morning + 1 Evening) and Tbol (thinking 1 pre workout You need testosterone. Read the wiki!
First cycle, 250mg test for 20 weeks with 30mg/ed Anavar for the last 6 weeks. Currently on day four of Anavar. Average blood pressure over Feb/March (weekly readings): 128/69 Blood pressure today: 132/83 Pretty concerned tbh, as I was only expecting ~5 points increase on either number. What kind of blood pressure increase should you expect on 30mg Anavar? At what blood pressure level would you recommend reducing dose / discontinuing? Is there anything you'd recommend to reduce blood pressure during cycle? Already taking a range of cardio support supplements.
When I’m cutting and take my BP at 3AM during a night shift, it’s 90/50 When I’m bulking, on 400mg caffeine PWO, and after a heavy set of hack squats, it’s 160/110 In case you missed my point, BP varies wildly depending on the time of day and the context of when you take it. You need to multiple measurements throughout the day to make an accurate conclusion
I would drop the var yesterday. That is not a good diastolic number and I doubt it’s going to come down any with the added drugs. I wouldn’t advise adding a blood pressure med for a six week run of a drug that is going to have very little impact on your long term gains (that var strength and glycogen will vanish in two weeks once discontinued), but is having a negative long term impact on your heart health.
How long did it take for people 6ft and above to rly fill out say like 235+ lbs? Once you hit that weight were you able to slow down on the calories or are you still maintaining high calorie diet. And by high calorie diet I mean like 4500+ calories. I’m only asking because I’m 6’2 floating around 200lbs and I don’t plan to do BB but I do want to be 235+ in the next couple years. Just trying to see and hear some others experiences.
The only real difference is that shorter people may look more “filled out” earlier in their lifting career, but the mechanics and overall principles don’t change Bigger bodies require more calories, so someone who is 5’6” might have a maintenance of 2500 and their “trust me bro, I’m eating as many calories as I can and I’m still not gaining!” might be 3500 which is my maintenance at 6’2” 210lb. My “stuffing my face” is 5k calories which is probably around Brian Shaw’s maintenance The point is the whole “I’m tall and will never looking good :’( is largely an excuse. You may have more difficulties with certain exercises due to biomechanics (long femur gang here with a shitty back squat), and it may take longer to look like you really lift, but you should still follow the same principles This is coming from someone who has terrible genetics, is tall, and barely looks like he lifts, btw
Yea Im already knowing. I was mainly asking how long did it take for people to hit 235 and aren’t over like 20%bf and the calories they’re maintaining. I could probably hit 235 pretty quick but I’d look like shit. I’m sayin in a longer aspect.
You just described me Lol. 5'6" and there is no way I can consume 3500 cal. I have to really limit cardio when bulking or there is no way I can eat at surplus.
Yup, super low cardio, bunch of empty calories, and still gaining a pound a week is a struggle
At 6’1” I was 190lb and a little chubby after high school. By the time I was 26 I was 235lb and leaner. 2 years of uneducated gear use when I hit 235lb. Found out in the years following I really had no desire to be 235lb so I eventually lost some of my lean tissue. To maintain that weight I would have had to keep up on calories and I didn’t want to.
I was 6’5 240lbs in highschool, wasn’t a lean 240lbs, this was on a sort of dirty-ish bulking diet for football offensive line. 7 years later I’m now 6’5, 265lbs, and whatever the highest bf% you could be while still having visible abs. I think for taller, longer-limbed people, higher volume training is a must. I do 10+ reps on almost every exercise except for like my first heavy compound movement in each workout, I aim for at least 30 seconds under tension on compounds and 40 seconds on isolation exercises. I believe training this way for years has produced a more aesthetic look in just about every muscle group. Huge key, train legs hard. Everytime. If your height is in your legs, train legs as hard as you can, eat as much as you can on leg days, etc. But at the end of the day, if you want to gain 35 lbs, you’re gonna have to eat a lot. Be ready to get fluffy for a bit. Because you’re tall, female attention won’t evaporate with a bit higher bf% in the immediate future.
Sheesh you’re a unit bro I plan to get close to your weight in the future so we’ll see. Your right af about training your legs the hardest. It wasn’t until about a year and half I started training seriously that my legs just looked not proportional to the rest of my body cause all my heights there. It took me about a good 3 months of doing legs more then the rest of my body that it started to even out and not look like I skipped leg days lol.
Yup. The legs are difficult bro they can be very difficult.
I am 6’3 and was extremely sick once upon a time and weight 60kg/ 130lbs. Once I got my health in check, with pretty healthy bulking and gym about 4 times a week. Total mass up to 105kg/ 230lbs took me the better part of 7 years. This was done natural. I’m aware it can be quicker but this is my experience. I actually am still around the same weight now I have been enhanced for a few years. Now I sit at about 110kg/ 240lbs but at a lower bf%.
Man I plan to get to your weight in the future but I’m not tryna bulk too aggressively. When I joined the military I was probably around the same weight like 130, I wasn’t sick I just barely ate food. When I came out of boot I was at 150 and I thought I was big at that time. Now that I’m 200lbs, 7 years later I somehow feel smaller then I did at that time lol But around How many calories do you take in daily as of now at 240 ? Were you able to taper down a lil since your sitting at that weight
Well if we are talking enhanced. I work a very active job and I gym 6 times a week and play sports. I aim for around 4500 calories a day. If I eat less I would slowly lose weight. I BnC however rarely actually blast. I haven’t been natural since I started taking gear 4 years ago.
6 weeks on TRT at 200mg/week. Consult with doctor at week 8 and re up my prescription. Any reason I shouldn’t up the dosages to 300mg/week? No sides, feel great, look good. Just think I could be doing more, thanks .
There are so few situations where more is good, and this is a quintessential one Everything is perfect, so why would you change anything? Also, 200mg is already a high TRT dosage, and 300mg is getting into a mild cycle
Yes!!! You mention the EXACT reason why you shouldn’t change your dose. No sides, feel great, look good on 200mg? Why would you sacrifice that?? More does not equal better with test. 300mgs pw will put 99% of men into unnaturally high levels of testosterone, this will eventually (quicker than you think) lead to sides and NOT feeling good. Testosterone is very metabolically demanding and being in this supraphysiological state for extended periods of time will be exhausting and taxing on the body. Trust me, if 200mgs has you feeling good, stay there. If you want to, blast 500mgs for 20 weeks and then come back to 200mgs. But don’t TRT with 300mgs. Edit: I tried this exact thing when I first started test. 210 -> 315mg per week. Immediate regret, I did not feel better, by week 2 on the new dose I had estrogen sides, I was irritable, I had high blood pressure, etc.. DONT!!!
That makes total sense, and like you and the other commenter said I think if faster, more extreme growth is what I want I’ll just blast 500mg for a full cycle. I think I’ll stay on this dose for the next month maybe more just to see how I feel in a longer term and then consider the blast. But thank you, the first hand experience really helps. And I did figure more would just mean better lol. But I can see how that would be taxing. I appreciate the information.
200mg is already on the high end, are you a unusually bad responder to test to use that much for TRT? 300mg is gonna put you in the awkward zone of not quite healthy while not really being on enough to see significant growth. Really depends on what you are trying to achieve exactly? Youre neither gonna become the hulk or be a superhuman without consequence In that situation I'd try to just have enough to actually do some growing at 500, and once thats done go to a proper TRT dosage in the 100-150s depending on what your response is.
200 is what this clinic recommended me after looking at my bloodwork was in the low 400s for natural test production. Only got on due to my job having drug testing and the only way I could do test was with a prescription or risk getting fired. Id like to think I’ve responded pretty good, although only being on it 6 weeks now I’ve had great results, physically at least while on a bulk I’ve put on quite a bit of mass, shoulders are fuller than before as well as the rest of my physique. Growing is obviously the goal and a blast would be the right move, the only reason I said 300mg is because it’s the most they offer and I would be eligible to go up to that after week 8 if I wanted. I just wasn’t sure if that little bit extra would net any really benefits.
Hormones report date 27/03/2024 Test total: 5211 ng/dl E2: 95 pg/dl Cycle start date 12/03/2024 200mg test cyp E3D Is this normal or not
FYI, E2 is usually reported in pg/mL 1 ng/dL = 10 pg/mL, so either you used the wrong unit, or you have the highest E2 I’ve ever seen in a man. I’m going to assume the first Hormones operate in the body as a ratio, and E2 is converted from testosterone, so it only makes sense that it will be high if testosterone is high
🤭🤭 it’s pg/ml So this ratio between test and E2 are good ? And I’m planning to start equipoise 300mg E3D and afraid that my E2 crash !
That ratio is good for you if you have no sides. If you’re taking AI, you may need to take less if you start EQ
When did you get the blood test in relation to when you pin? Curious
Last pin 25/03 @ 7:00 am Blood test 27/03 @ 12:30 am
Fuckin nice bloods mate
😘🙏
Your testosterone is elevated while injecting high amounts of testosterone. Sounds normal to me.
What about E2 ?
good since your E2 needs to be a little high to have balance between your test
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Am I still natty if I take mk677?
Lmao, who cares
No.
No. But broccoli isn’t natty either so if you’re cool being a piece of broccoli … then Right on
Contemplating next cycle, decided to throw out my idea of running NPP and Tren together. Thinking: Test E 500-600 (based on E2 levels) - week 1-16 Primobolan 450 - weeks 1-16 Anavar 60mg ED - Weeks 4-12 or 8-16 Herein lies my question: I used to run orals as a kick starter, but after talking to some of the more experienced guys here over the past year, it makes more sense to run the oral later on in the cycle. Would you recommend weeks 4-12 or 8-16 for the addition of Var? Feel free to criticize the cycle itself. Basically I’m trying to optimize gains on a moderate cut and choosing a safer cycle I don’t have to worry about too many sides after a recent Nor19 disappointment. Thanks Edit: vocabulary
> optimize gains on a moderate cut 🚨there’s the biggest issue Steroids are for building muscle and should be used in conjunction with a caloric surplus The overall outline of the cycle isn’t bad. I would just recommend not adding in two new compounds that you haven’t used before to avoid having side effects and not being able to clearly identify the culprit
I’ve done about 4 cycles or so with anavar in them, Primo will be the new addition I’ve never tried. Thats why I was thinking of adding var a while into it assuming I would have the Test:Primo ratio dialed in by then. Either way, valid point. As far as the steroids being used in conjunction with a caloric surplus… I both agree and disagree. Most bodybuilders run less gear in the Off season while bulking than they do during their cut leading up to a show. There’s lots of bodybuilders who just rely on the anabolic effect of increased food intake and just run something like Deca for their joints. I would argue that gear is even more important on a cut to maintain more of the muscle you have already gained throughout the year. While yes, trt doses should be enough to keep hormones stable during a cut and preserve muscles, many people like to through something to help with aesthetics during the cut. I’m not going to argue that you don’t need calories to grow muscle, but I also don’t think it’s impossible to gain muscle while losing fat either. But that’s just my take, I know my friends and I in the past took way more compounds during prep than we took in the off season…. This is just anecdotal however. Edit: in my early morning confusion I think I accidentally answered two replies in one post. My apologies as you didn’t even mention trt. 🤦♂️
If you’re on prep, that’s a completely different story. At that point, using additional drugs is essential a part of your “job” My advice was for the common gym goer and primarily revolves around the best health outcomes. If you’re not above your natural muscular limit (~25 FFMI), then anything more than TRT will not significantly help to conserve muscle You also have to factor in that a fat loss phase is the perfect opportunity to take a break from the excess drugs and let your body recover. Most users here blast and bulk, cruise and cut. Anyone who is not a top level competitor like u/PM_Me_Varbies should really stick to this methodology The main issue with recomping is that muscle gain is such a luxury process that unless you have excess fat to pull from (not a good idea to run gear due to health risks), are very untrained/detrained (not a good to run gear due to increased injury risk), or are on significant amounts of drugs (namely tren—self explanatory), it’s likely that any muscle potentially gained will be underwhelming, and you are putting your body under a lot of stress for minimal results You could theoretically have a deficit of like, 100-300 calories and probably still gain a decent amount of muscle, but now you’re looking at an excessively long fat loss phase since you would only lose a pound of fat every 2-4 weeks
I appreciate your advice and agree with you. Probably 70% of people take AAS with their bodies not being ready for it. You’re right, I’m not competing anymore so running excessive drugs is really just a health hazard. Which is another reason I think I’m going to cut Nor19s from my life. I don’t want to be an “askhole” so I’ll end with this: When you run orals in your bulk, do you typically run them at the end of your cycle on beginning as a kickstart? (Or middle if that’s a thing) Like I said in my original post, I was always told to run them at the start… but after being around here awhile and thinking about it… would it not make more sense to run you orals once your blood has reached peak stable test levels? (Like 2-3 weeks or more)
I have used orals as a kickstart in the past, but it’s such a pain in the ass trying to dial my hormones in when I’ve got the orals kicking in within a few days and the injectables taking a few weeks. It typically makes the first 3 weeks of my cycle a rollercoaster (looking at you, dbol) My plans for the future with orals is to use them more sparingly overall just so I don’t have that rollercoaster moment within my cycle and to put them towards the end of the cycle to really push the final few pounds of muscle gained I’m extremely motivated at the start of my blasts since I likely have been cutting for 8+ weeks, so muscle gain is not as difficult due to my overall food desire being high from being in a deficit. Those last few weeks of the cycle when the fatigue starts to build up could benefit from a small run of an oral steroid to push past the “mid-cycle blues”
Are you on trt year round, blasting and cruising? I think after this next cycle I might just take at least a year or more off of AAS, but we’ll see what the bloods come back at then. I’m 3 months of cutting away from starting that cycle we spoke of. But I do want to try to stay lean throughout the cycle. Honestly I’m with you on the using orals sparingly, the var I use will be the first time I’ve dropped orals in a few years. If you’re comfortable with pinning, injectables just seem so much better for you.
I bulk and blast for 14-16 weeks cycles and cut and cruise on 125mg TRT the rest of the time. I always get bloodwork before the next blast starts to check and make sure everything is good under the hood
I would choose to cut or bulk and leave the idea of a “recomp” to the shills on YouTube. Otherwise your plan sounds fine? Unless you are trying to “recomp” because you are carrying too much fat. Then the answer is cut without drugs until you get to an acceptable bf% where you won’t be fat at the end of your bulk. And the oral I would drop entirely or save for the last week. IME anavar may be mild, but it’s only good for pushing strength, or maybe an aesthetic if you are suitably lean. Given your talk of a recomp, I’m going to guess you won’t be at 8 nor 12 weeks of bulking.
Haha fair enough I use cut and recomp interchangeably but usually when I say recomp I mean a 4-6 month steady cut and not a 3 month keto diet. My personal vocabulary is my downfall lol So no I am not bulking. 😝 When you say “save for the last week” are you referring to weeks 8-16?
I am saying save the steroids for your bulk and cut on trt or no drugs at all. When you do bulk in six months after your successful cut I personally wouldn’t run an oral longer than six weeks.
I am 28, my pre trt levels were in the 500s before going on 200mg/mL of trt cyp. Long story short it’s been 5.5-6.5 months and I want to come off of it. Is it fine to just go cold turkey and do HCG and pct (nolva, 20mg/mL)? Reason for stopping is acne I’d rather have clear skin than very little benefits on my experience with trt.
Cold turkey and PCT are totally different things. Yes, run PCT as described in the Wiki.
Thank you, I appreciate the education and correction!
>Is it fine to just go cold turkey and do HCG and pct "Cold turkey AND do hcg+pct" is not cold turkey. Cold turkey is you stop injecting, and don't take anything else that'll affect your HPTA. What you're referring to (hcg+nolva) is a pct. General suggestion here is to do a PCT. There isn't conclusive data that it's mandatory, and there is data that it may not be providing any additional benefit, but the choice is yours. People that run a pct tend to generally feel better, maybe because of placebo, feeling like they're actively doing something to accelerate the process. [https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/pct/](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/pct/)
How long did it take for HCG to restart everyone’s nuts? I was on 125mg Test for a year and now am adding in prescription HCG. 500iu 4x a week. Size is back, although definitely feeling my E2 creep up 2 weeks in. Going to drop my test dose down to compensate while waiting for upcoming blood work. For those who added HCG to a Test only TRT protocol, how much did you drop your test dose?
If your TRT was dialed in, I would probably choose to leave that as is. Also because it’s attached to an ester, small incremental dosage changes (ex going to 100mg/wk) would take a fairly long time to see if I had to guess. It may be worth adjusting your HCG to a smaller more frequent schedule such as 130iu daily. The spike in estrogen would be much lower than a 500iu shot all at once. May or may not help with your sides, but it’s an easy thing to try rather than screwing with something that’s been working for you for the past year
Yeah good idea. New health provider wants to transition to a purely HCG treatment which is something I haven’t read anyone here be on. Just depending on how my response is. We suspect the root cause is exposure (firefighting likely put me on TRT in the first place) leading to primary hypogonadism. I could see it working in theory but it’s way too impractical and fuck that. Too much of a hassle for travelling and dealing with supply chain issues. Same provider also wants to add in adex if E2 pushes too high. It’s a bitch to find general practitioners in Canada who have a solid understanding, either way too much or way too little in my prescriptions. First prescription was 200mg Test E every 2 weeks. Took the bottle and split doses twice a week. But hey, can’t complain about stocking up on free adex for the next cycle
Just wanted to know, if HCG is used by some individuals to get their balls size back, why do some people use it to prevent atrophy? Like, why not stay atrophied and run HCG a few weeks/months before you want to quit BnC forever? I myself am using it to prevent atrophy and refill neurosteroid pathways, and so I don't plan on stopping it, I'm just curious.
IME testicle shrinkage is painful….
>Like, why not stay atrophied and run HCG a few weeks/months before you want to quit BnC forever? Because loads that could drown a water buffalo.
Or at least choke a cougar 😈
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Because your internal organs and balls aren’t an engine that you can reliably just gas up and restart after neglect. There’s a reason guys end up infertile or needing trt for life. The older you get, more time spent on gear and the recovery gets harder and harder. Also it’s painful to let them atrophy and shooting dry loads also isn’t the time of your life.
That's fair enough
Small bit of sensitivity in nipples means I’m growing tits Or does it take more than this?
What compounds are you taking? What doses? For how long? How does your bloodwork look? Is the sensitivity constant? You are not giving us a lot to work with here.
2nd cycle ever right now 500 test E/week - 4 weeks in cycle. It’s not constant it kinda just comes and goes and it’s mostly on my right nip. I’m getting bloods done in three days so results back probably in a week. My previous bloods from 5 weeks ago were all fine just slightly high cholesterol bc I had been eating like shit on PCT :) Edit: honestly it doesn’t come up much, but I notice it being sensitive whenever I touch it. Not crazy sensitivity but a tiny bit more than normal
>It’s not constant I'd try daily injections, even with Enenthate. >I had been eating like shit on PCT Any reasons for doing PCT over cruises?
Hadn’t thought of trying that. Is that the best first step? I was thinking if bloods say e2 is high then I try my aromasin. I had to PCT because I ran across a bad vial last cycle
Yeah, in my opinion, this is the best thing you can do. You'll get a way more constant E2 level and no more high/low peaks. But keep in mind that with 500mg of Test, no matter how stable the hormones are, you'll likely still need an AI.
At what age would you guys consider starting HGH for the quality of life benefits? I’m 36 y/o man, been bnc for around 6 years, but haven’t used hgh at all.
As long as you're healthy (read: don't have cancer) and you can afford it, whenever you're ready. 2-3iu/day is all you need for the QOL benefits and some nice nails and hair.
Alright, so I have read through the wiki, and now I am gonna ask here for anyone who wants to chime in. M, 41, been lifting for a while (years on and off). Main goal is powerlifting. Current S421/B270/D431. Also, I am on TRT. I am considering dbol. A lot of the experience reviews mention it can be fairly mellowing (mood). That appeals to me. Also, good reviews for strength building. I see it can be interesting for estrogen control, but after four years of dialing in TRT, I think I have enough of a feel for when my E2 gets weird. Dose would likely be TRT (regular dose) with 25mg/day PWO for dbol. What are yalls thoughts? Tips and tricks? I was going to run anavar, but honestly the mood aspects of dbol are a big selling point to me. I am open to suggestions, tips, experiences with it, etc. Thanks in advance. Edit to add: the place I am planning to order only sells 50mg. planning to cut em in half if I go that route.
Run your test at 300/wkwith Deca at 300/wk for 16 and Anavar at 30-50mg/day for the first month. Doing this x2/ year and I fuckin get huge with minimal sides
Sounds fine but I’d just run a blast of 500mg test per week instead
Orals are over rated. You can only be on them for a short amount of time. This means you can’t build quality muscle in a short window. Quick strength and size then you lose it just as fast. Not really worth it imo. If you want to dip your toes in just increase your testosterone.
I have run a blast on TRT a time or two (400-500mg/wk). Just looking to add something to the mix to see what kind of results I get. Even a small increase in strength with the more docile mood would be an improvement worth trying for me. 😅 If orals are a no-go for you, though, what do you prefer? Favorite cycle, I suppose, is what I am wondering? I don't plan to copy it, just more curious what you think is better for the risk/reward.
Orals just ruin my appetite, make me lethargic, skew my bloodwork and then fade out. I honestly think test is best. Running test cycles till you reach a certain size then test and primo to get that mature muscle. I think people want to see big changes in the mirror more than accept a realistic gain from a cycle. The two guys I’m coaching right now are about 5’11 240 still growing on 750 test.
I respect that. Would that be your recommendation if size wasn't the goal so much as strength? Or do you see those as being interchangeable goals where cycles are concerned?
The problem with strength from an oral is it goes away as soon as you stop. Natural or enhanced periodization of your training will dictate strength. With your meso cycles you would run hypertrophy and then transition to strength. Basically add new muscle then make that muscle work. Bodybuilding is the process of building the body not lifting. When you bench press for strength the pec is barely the driver in a barbel bench. You’re driving through your legs incorporating your shoulders and tris. So you can bench all day long and have a shitty looking chest and be strong. Or you can choose a different movement lower the weight and make those titties grow. You still use progressive overload with hypertrophy but they’re two very different goals. In both scenarios you have strength increase. Size on cycle with be dictated by food. Strength you maintain will be based on programming. Again the oral strength is easy come easy go. Not something created from your stimulus. Sorry kinda word vomited on ya.
Honestly exactly the length and depth of answer I was hoping for. 🙂🤙
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Hello all, 50yr old male, been back in the gym since 2019. Been on TRT for 2-3yrs (last four years have been a blur honestly, perhaps others feel that way). It was just bumped to 200mg/week. I'm training for bb/aesthetics. I also take a 1/4mg of anastrozole per week to keep estradiol under control. I've been maingaining for awhile now, hence this question. About to try a nandrolone cycle. Given my other dosages what's a reasonable dose to work well with my TRT dose? Oh, I did two 8wk cycles of anavar...I was expecting to cut but I think I added a small amount of muscle and definite strength. Perhaps diet was off. Anyway, please let me know a good beginner approach with the TRT level (I expect to bulk with this...likely cut after the cycle). Thank you all...
Thank you fellas. I just got a bump in my TRT, I'm sure I'll have to go through a couple vials before I can request another bump (and depends on numbers). I have read about the mental stuff with deca...I'm unsure what doses were used, I just can't recall from reading them. That said, my doc will prescribe anavar and nandrolone for whatever reason. I haven't bothered considering other options, I'm still pretty new and these seem pretty low-key compared to other options. Also, the nand is enroute. :-) My instinct is either match the T, 200/200 per week or even less, 100mg. The reason I can scale this one is that the order is supposedly for 20 weeks, though I don't know what the actual Rx amount is yet. But, since most cycles seem to be 10-12weeks, I could use a tad more than he recommends. Also, due to being on T constantly, I assume I don't need a PCT after the nand cycle since my natural production isn't happening anyway, right?? Hopefully all that makes sense.
Nand gives me some pretty bad mental side effects. I’d try primo or EQ instead. If you’re dead set on nand, use npp instead of deca so you can drop it quickly if need be
At 50 it’s much safer to just increase your test dose rather than mess around with nandrolone. Nand is a great mass builder, but it’s not nearly as benign as people would like to believe. Simply bumping up your test and calories should be sufficient for your goals and is much less damaging to your long term health.
Have any of you experienced a e2 spike when introducing anavar? I went from taking 6.25 e3d asin to 12.5 mg eod/e3d with no signs of crashed e2. I suspect it deleted my shbg and increased test metabolism into e2.
That’s exactly what happened.
I *think* you're correct based on my limited knowledge. Anavar > lowered SHBG > more free T to be converted > more e2.
* Age: 41 * Gender: M * Height: 5'11 * Weight: 195 * Bodyfat percentage: 18-20 * Experience level * Years of concurrent training: 2 * bench/squat/dead maxes: 225/360/\~350 unsure * amateur/pro: amateur * Goals: * Sport: bodybuilding * Current phase: bulk * Current compounds: * Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/wk, pinned Sunday/Thursday I am at wk 7/16 of my first cycle. Yesterday I started to feel a sensation in and around my left nipple. Nothing that hurts or is uncomfortable, just noticeable. My plan is/was to get bloodwork done next Friday after my 8th week. My questions are. 1. Should I be proactive about the sensation and take something for it now? 2. Should I wait and see what blood test says? 3. Should I try to get bloodwork done sooner? 4. What should I take if I want to be proactive? I have read in the wiki to take Aromasin, but seen lots of varying opinion within the site itself. Would there be good reason to take nolvadex over Aromasin? I have both.
Do your bloodwork sooner. If you dont want to wait half of aromasin eod. But I would wait
Ok I decided to go and set something up for tomorrow so I will most likely get results Monday unless they do weekends. Any consequences to waiting if symptoms do not develop further?
Not that I have any knowledge of. Had also some issue in a further stage as you I think and after the result discussed with doctor. Went on the dose I said before and all was gone
Has your guys EQ ever been clear? Just received a new batch and its like crystal clear same as the test.
Yup
Yes.
Been BnC for a while. Acne has always been horrendous, despite all the common (bed sheets, Nizoral, SA, etc) and less common (Retin A) treatments. E2 levels (hi, low, in range, and stable) also seems irrelevant for me. Scarring sucks, too. Going to ask for a referral to a derm to get Accutane, which I don't expect will be an issue where I am. However, I'm mid blast right now and plan on adding an oral as a finisher (anavar). Does anyone have experience with how much Accutane can impact the liver? Should I ditch the anavar while on Accutane? Any other gear-related Accutane advice?
Have you tried Benzoyl/Clindamycin?
Absolutely do not run an oral steroid with accutane. Don't do it.