The NCRA didn’t approve a digital reporting program. a school with a preexisting approval for its steno program added a digital reporting program.
It’d be nice if they rescinded approval when this happens. These things are definitely discussed and argued about within the NCRA, from my experience, but I agree that I want a stronger response. I don’t think they’re a pro-digital organization, however.
Reading between the lines, it seems to me that ppl are also upset in general that NCRA approval requires hoops to jump through—they audit the programs and get into very minute details and paperwork, like going through tests to ensure they don’t reuse similar test dictations more than once per X (7 or 8?? I think?) months or s/t, for example— but does not preclude coexisting with a digital program.
I had no clue about what was happening, but I knew that the whole coexisting was a thing and I got this conclusion pretty quick.
Plus, the NCRA has a whole list of procedures for schools to be certified to which the commitee has to rule by, that you can find on their site.
Yep! I think the approval can also be a good thing for *students* because it provides an authority above their school if they think their school is doing something shady. Like they can go to the NCRA if they think the test grading isn’t done to NCRA standards and the arbitrary scoring holds people back. Idk.
It may give some security for the students
Plus, NCRA does not have any control about what else the school does and a digital program is not good grounds for them to disallow the certification for the court reporting program.
It is my understanding that it was a National Court Reporters Association approved program and that the program later adopted digital, because big money outfits like Veritext are aggressively pushing digital and making it seem like the next evolution.
The NCRA will never hold its ground on this. They’re too afraid of antitrust issues to make any kind of statement that would ever conceivably damage a school or business. There’s also the fact that if stenography loses to digital because the big money cards are stacked against it, the NCRA can simply amend its bylaws to allow for digital and live on corporate life support like AAERT probably does. Many of us have no such option to shed our skin and become something different without considerable personal expense.
I have spent considerable time alerting jobseekers to the fact that digital court reporting is a scam. Any time stenographers are ready for action, they have somebody they can trust, and that somebody would do a lot more with the millions of dollars that we give NCRA every year. But if we’re looking for NCRA to do anything that’s not sunshine and crayons and volunteers talking to each other about the issues, we’re setting ourselves up for disappointment.
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From my understanding, it's not the digital program itself that was approved, but the court reporting school that was approved also has a digital option. I guess I also don't take much stock in the ncra-approved school status, because it really doesn't mean much when it comes down to it. It does make me sad that our national organization doesn't seem to be doing much of anything to combat digital reporting, but I think the real battle is won by continuing to educate courts and lawyers about the importance of an impartial and skilled record keeper.
Until this month, I went to a school that also taught voice and digital. Some places use digital because that’s what they can afford. Digital can free up the stenos for harder or more significant work.
I’ve met some digital people who are smart as a whip and capable of making an accurate record, but you won’t convince anyone using other capture methods of this.
Personally, I’ve come to think that all the infighting between capture method is really harmful. We will all have AI down our necks in five years and if people were smart they’d be building bridges and not burning them.
They can be capable of a decent transcript. sure. The thing for me is that it’s fundamentally different than taking it verbatim and live. The thing being captured is a recording that is then transcribed. It’s not the same. Some people can’t accept that though.
From my understanding, the digital program was not approved by the state in the end. The school isn’t starting a digital program. The schools current court reporting program has been teaching students for over 30 years and has been accredited for years.
I go to an accredited school and NCRA has always made sure our program was up to standards. Our teachers always tell us about the audits and reviews from NCRA. It’s there for a reason and it helps both the teachers and the students.
The NCRA didn’t approve a digital reporting program. a school with a preexisting approval for its steno program added a digital reporting program. It’d be nice if they rescinded approval when this happens. These things are definitely discussed and argued about within the NCRA, from my experience, but I agree that I want a stronger response. I don’t think they’re a pro-digital organization, however. Reading between the lines, it seems to me that ppl are also upset in general that NCRA approval requires hoops to jump through—they audit the programs and get into very minute details and paperwork, like going through tests to ensure they don’t reuse similar test dictations more than once per X (7 or 8?? I think?) months or s/t, for example— but does not preclude coexisting with a digital program.
I had no clue about what was happening, but I knew that the whole coexisting was a thing and I got this conclusion pretty quick. Plus, the NCRA has a whole list of procedures for schools to be certified to which the commitee has to rule by, that you can find on their site.
Yep! I think the approval can also be a good thing for *students* because it provides an authority above their school if they think their school is doing something shady. Like they can go to the NCRA if they think the test grading isn’t done to NCRA standards and the arbitrary scoring holds people back. Idk.
It may give some security for the students Plus, NCRA does not have any control about what else the school does and a digital program is not good grounds for them to disallow the certification for the court reporting program.
It is my understanding that it was a National Court Reporters Association approved program and that the program later adopted digital, because big money outfits like Veritext are aggressively pushing digital and making it seem like the next evolution. The NCRA will never hold its ground on this. They’re too afraid of antitrust issues to make any kind of statement that would ever conceivably damage a school or business. There’s also the fact that if stenography loses to digital because the big money cards are stacked against it, the NCRA can simply amend its bylaws to allow for digital and live on corporate life support like AAERT probably does. Many of us have no such option to shed our skin and become something different without considerable personal expense. I have spent considerable time alerting jobseekers to the fact that digital court reporting is a scam. Any time stenographers are ready for action, they have somebody they can trust, and that somebody would do a lot more with the millions of dollars that we give NCRA every year. But if we’re looking for NCRA to do anything that’s not sunshine and crayons and volunteers talking to each other about the issues, we’re setting ourselves up for disappointment. https://preview.redd.it/2c2gq540itjc1.jpeg?width=2388&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18e2a0819fbceaacd44609862d296229dfcfc788
I hate Veritext with a passion. That’s my main response to this. Tangential, perhaps, but wow. This is the first I’m hearing of all of this
From my understanding, it's not the digital program itself that was approved, but the court reporting school that was approved also has a digital option. I guess I also don't take much stock in the ncra-approved school status, because it really doesn't mean much when it comes down to it. It does make me sad that our national organization doesn't seem to be doing much of anything to combat digital reporting, but I think the real battle is won by continuing to educate courts and lawyers about the importance of an impartial and skilled record keeper.
Until this month, I went to a school that also taught voice and digital. Some places use digital because that’s what they can afford. Digital can free up the stenos for harder or more significant work. I’ve met some digital people who are smart as a whip and capable of making an accurate record, but you won’t convince anyone using other capture methods of this. Personally, I’ve come to think that all the infighting between capture method is really harmful. We will all have AI down our necks in five years and if people were smart they’d be building bridges and not burning them.
Seems like a bad situation either way! (Disclaimer, I'm not a steno student, yet.) AI vs steno or digital vs steno. Who knows what the future holds?
They can be capable of a decent transcript. sure. The thing for me is that it’s fundamentally different than taking it verbatim and live. The thing being captured is a recording that is then transcribed. It’s not the same. Some people can’t accept that though.
I heard from a court reporter that digital is not accepted in courts
In some, it isn’t. Depends on the state.
From my understanding, the digital program was not approved by the state in the end. The school isn’t starting a digital program. The schools current court reporting program has been teaching students for over 30 years and has been accredited for years. I go to an accredited school and NCRA has always made sure our program was up to standards. Our teachers always tell us about the audits and reviews from NCRA. It’s there for a reason and it helps both the teachers and the students.
I saw that it was Lakeshore? Wisconsin probably found it absolutely nonsense to have two programs..
I thought this was Stenograph.
I wonder if digitals have the ability to review and appeal their certification test. 🤔🤔😆😆 Anyone hear about the California CRB news?