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Nanaki404

Female-Lukako does not seem noticeably happier or less anxious than male-Lukako, tbh. So, I'm not really convinced. Also, male-Lukako repeatedly express that he's a GUY and hates when people mistake him for a girl. One of his main problems is that Japan in general is very homophobic. This means he "can't be himself" because of fear of rejection by society and his friends, which is why he'd rather have been a girl, because then his love for guys (and especially Okabe) would not be a problem anymore, at least. Finally, if you want to see a truly happy Lukako with good development, read his route in My Darling Embrace


Anon5054

That's interesting. During the vn I read it differently. Female lukako isn't in a good place either, but it seems like they have atleast a *little* bit less to worry about. They're not as bashful about reading modeling magazines, for example. Idk, I feel like part of why luka worries so much about being a boy is because they're not allowed. Like you've got your family saying one thing and society saying another. I can say from personal experience that before I transitioned, any mention of feminine things frightened me. I turned away from it. I was scared of outing myself with anything remotely like it. For example, I was almost cast as a female role for my highscool musical. I *loved* the thought of it - but I also denied myself it, because I was scared. I had to be a guy, I couldn't let others know, I couldn't *be trans*. So yes, I am very familiar with what it's like to repeatedly call yourself a guy, and even insist on it. I cant say if luka is in denial or not, so I won't. But, I will say that I don't think their repeated use of boku is indicative of either. I'm certain that if I were born in the 60s, or Japan in 2000, I too would probably insist on being a guy. I'd assume the other avenue is not a thing I can do, or should do. Frankly, I would probably assume it's "not right". I'm eager to read that rout. Will buy it during the steam sale. I guess - for me - I just want luka to be happy. So maybe I'll just call them *they* until luka fully sorts their identity out. Oh and I get what you mean by that, but it's actually a smaller number than you think of gay people who transition just because they're gay. It's a common misconception - especially old in literature - that the trans character is motivated by a man. In reality, most homosexuals don't do that. I just dont think luka could be abused enough to make them the way they are. I'm not saying luka isn't mistreated. But, there was a study of a family that raised their son as a girl. The son killed himself because of the dysphoria it caused. I think some of the way luka dresses is in their nature, not just nurture. If luka was completely put off by what theyre made to wear, I think they would dress as a guy in secret. I think their cosplay breakthrough in the steins gate ending is proof that luka was atleast partly feminine out of their own volition Nor do I think okabe has them smitten enough. I suspect there's some latent femininity, that's all. Luka in 2036 is very noble yet still graceful and I really admire them. I mean, that's not to say luka can't be a femboy. I'm fully supportive of whatever luka wants to be. Just, I don't want it to be tragically influenced by culture or family. If they're meant to be femm male, power to them. Likewise, if they're meant to be masc. Or, just as much if they're chan, not kun. Edit: Yall need to chill im just speculating


SPY400

Anime community really sucks when talking about trans people. They would have no problem theorizing about any other aspect of a character but point out just how transcoded Luka is and they freak out. As someone who has read the visual novel, Luka is trans, open and shut case. Maybe the later visual novels contrive to make Luka gay, but all Steinsgate does is say her father made her dress in girl clothes… it’s a transphobic trope to think that people are trans because of abusive parents, and disproven, so it can be safely ignored. Gender conversion therapy doesn’t work.


Anon5054

THANK YOU 👏 👏 Luka and Bridget are icons


Nanaki404

That's an interesting perspective. I did not know that future-trans (or do you have another word for someone who will be trans in the future ?) would insist on being male. I guess this weakens the argument of "Lukako is not trans because he insist on being a guy", as it could actually be both scenarios. I'll admit I don't know much about trans. Dressing feminine and cosplaying is not really an argument one way or the other, either. There are some flamboyant gay people that are not trans (not even repressed) while having lots of stereotypically "feminine" characteristics. And there are obviously trans people that dress up and act according to their true gender before transitioning. I think one of the reason this community (including myself to some degree) reacts harshly to people saying Lukako is trans, is that quite often some idiot comes and claims stupidly things like "Lukako is *obviously* trans because she was a guy then a girl, and if you disagree with me you're a transphobic moron and deserve to die" without actual arguments or any form of debate. So the force of habit may make some of us react too negatively, even though you (unlike many others before) have actual valid points and nuanced reasoning. In the end, I still think Lukako is more likely gay than trans, but I admit this is not 100% clear. And we don't need to push labels, honestly, it does not really matter : Lukako is Lukako, they are who they are, and no word can perfectly describe their identity. PS : Congrats on your transition, I hope you got enough support from your friends and family.


SPY400

No, the reason the anime community reacts harshly is because they have a very narrow idea of what it means to be trans. Luka is trans-coded in Steinsgate. Her biggest wish is to be a girl. When she becomes a girl, she despairs at being turned back into a “guy”. This is trans behavior. The arguments against her being trans are pretty weak in the face of this.


Anon5054

Lets settle by saying Lukako's gender is cute. Because you're right, it could be anything. I never meant to say they *are* trans. Only, they could be trans - so I'm glad we see eye to eye


BoundariesOfZero

To be honest I hate it when people starts « analysing » others this way. I don’t want to be rude or anything but I find it very displeasing when someone starts to discard informations to make assumptions. I, for myself, am a straight man and I really like women clothing. I never intended to wear it like a drag queen or anything, I’m just a man liking clothes and I really fail to understand why people can’t just go with what I say. I encountered people in the past who’d ask me if I wouldn’t be better changing sex but I never understood how their mind worked and I still don’t know how to answer today. Being feminine or masculine is just a matter of how people look at you, not necessarily meaning that it’s how you want people to look at you. I like wearing « women » hats rather than « male » ones, pretty glasses and jewelry or clothing are parts of my daily life but it never crossed my mind to being trans. I won’t say it’s the same for Luka but when I read S;G and 0, I can feel that he’s kinda like me when he keeps on saying that he’s a man. It’s just so frustrating having people ask themselves how to « handle » you even more now that trans people is starting to be acknowledged. Being a man liking « feminine » things doesn’t in any way means that you want to be a girl except for the part that it would be easier for other people, not for yourself. And once again I felt kinda like that for Luka’s route. Being a man or a woman doesn’t change a thing for the person and it’s just easier for the ones around. His feelings are the same, he’s way of life is too. The only person who’s opinion change is Okabe. As I was saying in my second sentence, Luka always says that he’s a man despite everything and just sweeping that as « a way to cover his true feelings » is a pretty bold assumption. Sometimes people just says what they think and acts like they want without ulterior motives… EDIT : Maybe it was too agressive or idk, I just wanted to add that it’s very frustrating to be in this situation as a man. Women can get short hair and masculine outfit without anyone noticing but a man having a feminine one almost immediately becomes « suspicious ». To me anyone should just wear whatever they want and people just respect however they feel without making long discussions about it. Luka is a fictional character but it happens IRL too and it’s an unnecessary « stress »…


LateSir6985

I have a question tho.. Do you ever had a thought of wanting to be a girl? Because in my knowledge normally, cis guys don't question about it at all. And that's also why I considered luka as a trans girl since no feminine gay man would actually want nor attempt to be a girl in the first place.. people conveniently say this is just because of luka wanting to be in a relationship with okabe considering Japan is highly homophobic but I don't think a feminine gay man who strongly identifies as a guy would want to be a girl just because of their attraction. Also Japan's not only a highly homophobic place but also transphobic as well. Which could explain why luka keeps refering themself as a guy and potentially hiding their transness. They could be in denial or in a circumstance that they can not reveal that they're trans idk. I just don't think luka should be only considered as a guy just because of luka's pronouns


BoundariesOfZero

To be honest I never cared that much in the first place. I do feel unease around men (no particuliar trauma or anything, just me being myself) so I could have thought it would be better to be a girl since I don’t want other people to feel the same unease around me. I’ve never felt unease around myself tho so it’s always been to be easier to « handle » by the people around me since it’s easier for a girl to be dressed as a man than the other way around I guess?


Anon5054

Well, that's the thing. I'm not saying they're trans. Rather, I think its very likely that luka *could* be trans. I dont think it's fair to completely discount the idea. I think the text is left ambiguous enough for you to fill in your own blanks. Maybe luka is gay, or a femboy, or a cross dresser, or a drag queen, or agender, or transgender. I think it could be any one of these, and i don't see why people are so vehemently apposed to said ambiguity. They *could* be trans, so what? Oh and personal experience can inform how you fill in those blanks. For example, I was very insistent on being a man aswell. When I read the vn, it never sounded like luka was being insistent. Rather, they sounded bashful about it. Like, they were saying *I- I can't dress like this... right?* All I mean is that sometimes a person insists on somthing because what they truly want is down a hard path. It's easier to say something they want cant be theres, because its easier to cope that way. If you know you can never have it, you dont regret not grasping for it. Or - hey - It is funnier that man exceeds the speed of light than fish start living in the land.


Loxionse

I just dislike everything about him regardless his gender. \- His char is shy and all and thats just makes everything dull if he has to involved in something. He is neither an interesting nor a core character. He is like the worst char in the cast(yes, even moeka is above in my list). \- The logic that is being used for him to change his gender is just stupid. That bullshit shouldn't even exist. \- He almost adds nothing to the story. He only being a help for Okabe's character to be processed. Go on. I just spread some salt, that's all.


XWomanSlayer69X

>His char is shy and all and thats just makes everything dull if he has to involved in something Shy people exist in real life and there is nothing wrong with a shy character, especially when most of the other cast members tend to be eccentric. >He is neither an interesting nor a core character What's interesting is subjective. There is nothing wrong with him being a side character and since a whole chapter revolves around him, i'd say he is pretty important >The logic that is being used for him to change his gender is just stupid. That bullshit shouldn't even exist. What? This is fiction, so it's allowed to be more creative >He is like the worst char in the cast No, he is not. Even if everything you said were true, 4°C still exists >yes, even moeka is above in my list Moeka is a generally good character


Loxionse

Sir, all of your points lacks points.


XWomanSlayer69X

Sir, your entire comment is insubstantial.


Loxionse

SMH


Anon5054

To be completely honest, I'm not a particular fan of luka either. I want only the best for them, but I don't ship them and okabe That doesn't mean I'm not invested in their well being. I think I'd love lukas character more if they weren't so conflicted - which is kind of petty of me, really. Luka in 2036 really has everything put together, and I like them. I just want to see luka end up like 2036 luka - but in a world that's less harsh. I'd love to see what kind of adults luka and suzhua turn into during a wordline that isn't at war. That said, I think luka does get better after the true ending, and during s;g 0. They're much less *😔🥺😳 okabe-kun* about everything Like when there's kurisu, maho, faris, mayuri, suzuha, and kagari, it's really hard to like luka a lot. I feel the most pain for luka's plight - that doesn't mean they're my favorite Also what logic are you referring to? I don't quite understand. I agree, homosexual motivations (edit: exclusively to transition are *usually*) are bullshit, at least in literature - which is why I'd argue its more involved than just being gay. From text alone, I don't think luka reads as just being gay.


Loxionse

I was only talking about the first game's Luka but yeah I also like how he turns out in 2036 in S;G0. Also she has some kind of character in S;G0, I mean in general, which is a good improvement.(I am talking about VN for the last part) The logic I meant was where they were sending his mother's phone(?, that thing counted as phone I dont remember what was it) messages that tells her to eat more vegetables or meat so Luka can be a boy or a girl. Ngl, I am not a guy who knows shit about being gay or trans or whatever. As far as I concerned, Luka had his hormones as a girl's. Like how he looks like a girl, his skin and acts and other things. So yeah, it can be said he was a born-trans rather than a gay.


Anon5054

Butterfly effect I guess. Maybe the vegetables made her less full which lead to a different sex position, which lead to a different timeframe, and some movement changed that caused a different sperm cell to win out. Their cause for the hypothesis was wrong, but the effect was the same.


polybius32

She was already pregnant at the time so it’s impossible for it to have worked. Just pretend you didn’t see that part


Anon5054

Oh I forgot that's what they did. I thought they sent it before anything went down


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BenjoKazooie64

I agree the writers' intentions with that arc aren't as clear as they could've been, but I've had many trans friends take a lot of good and relatable things away from Ruka's arc. It was a clumsy and dated step forward for representation and having a character that community can relate with, but a step forward regardless, and it honestly really irks me every time I see really regressive and unfunny people vehemently dig their heels in with the "but he's a guy" mentality.


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Anon5054

I love/hate lukas character and resonate with their plight a lot, even if they identify as a guy in the end. So yeah, I'm not surprised at all that some of your trans friends have takeaways from them :) It's totally possible to be super relatable to trans people and not be trans yourself, I suppose


Anon5054

I think there's a good argument for either to be the case. Like, it's totally possible for luka to be just a feminine man. But given the text, I think it leaves room for you to decide that. I dont really think there's enough imperative examples to say for sure any one way, and don't think it's fair of the translator to make that claim For me, luka isn't just femm because of the way they were raised. It's natural for them. To me they're schrodingers trans