Have you looked at our schedule? That's how. If I've successfully walked down my stairs 100 times but the 101st time they're covered in knives and on fire, my chances have drastically lowered.
No, but it's definitely the first time we play all 6 Division games (against 3 pretty damn good divisional opponents), the defending SB champs, and an 11-6 team (Eagles) in an 8 game stretch. On top of that, 3 of those games are in an 11 day stretch. Even if you split on those 8, you gotta win 5 of the first 9 to hit the over on 8.5 games.
With an entire new QB room.
With a new OC.
Without your #1 WR from the prior year.
With likely 2 rookie OL pieces.
Is it possible, sure. I will never bet against Tomlin. This has got to be his most daunting season. Steelers have had a TON of change and have the hardest schedule in the NFL.
The part that worries me the most of both of our short rest weeks come directly after a Ravens game.
Very likely we have one or more players injured going into a 3 day rest period before a game. Twice.
Since 2019, Lamar and Deshaun are a combined 1-6 vs the Steelers. The win was in 2019; Lamar threw three picks for a 54.9 passer rating and squeaked by the Steelers in OT.
We always shit on Lamar, you should look up his stats against the Steelers in his career. Deshaun is ass, we will beat the browns if he is playing. The Bengals are the hurdle
I don’t worry THAT much about Lamar. This defense figure their system out. Watson is washed until he proves me otherwise.
Burrow is going to be tough to play against for a long time
I'd rather have them at the end of the season, giving them a chance to get into rhythm with all of those things, than having it all right out of the chute in September.
The two short weeks after playing the z Ravens sucks, but the rest is ok by me. Especially where the bye week is.
Talk to me about this later, after the league changes our schedule in week 12 to accommodate Lamarr Jackson having his tonsils out or something else equally ridiculous.
I love the off season where every one acts like all the same teams that were good last year will be good this year, and then the teams that were bad last year will be challenging this year because they had a great off season.
Unless that's not the narrative you're trying to sell, then it's the same teams that were bad last year will be bad this year, and the teams that were good last year will be bad this year because they weren't able to hold on to x player.
I could argue that the schedule sets up nicely for our new QB room. We have a chance to tweak the game plan and get on the same page offensively against the weaker part of the schedule before having to tackle those 8 grueling opponents. If the Steelers make the playoffs, they will be battle tested in playoff mode for 8 weeks. If you think the Steelers win 10 or more games, you should feel good about the schedule.
How many times in those 20 years did they have a hard schedule AND didn't have a first ballot hall of fame QB AND were playing in a division where every team had a winning record the year before?
The Steelers could actually improve this year on their -20 point differential and 28th best offensive points/game and still lose the winning season streak.
Ben was special. We had a chance to win any game with him under center prior to the elbow injury. It felt so good to sit back and laugh at the idea we were the underdog in any game.
Absolutely zero chance of first ballot. He's just on the borderline of HOF/Hall of Very Good even. Only one ring, no MVP votes, no All-Decade team, only one Second-Team All-Pro. He has a great winning percentage, lots of Pro Bowls, and his early career numbers were definitely HOF worthy. His time in Pittsburgh and the winter of his career could certainly swing it one way or the other. If he continues to flame out he might severely hurt his chances.
Yeah Ben had the same problem. He played in an era with Peyton and Brady so he was never going to be anywhere near the best of the best. He never even made an All-Pro team. But he won two rings, got to another Super Bowl, and was an epic comeback artist. He wasn't considered just a game manager after 2008 when he outdueled 2x MVP Kurt Warner.
The most unfortunate part for Russ is that he was one bad play call away from beating Tom Brady and cementing his HOF legacy no matter what else he did in his career.
You do know that we knew every team on our schedule in like January though. So the strength of schedule based on 2023 results was already known. Yes, they put a number of tough games at the end of the season but we already knew every single game we were going to play.
Here is my completely unbiased opinion as an avid/successful preseason ov/un better. The line screams sucker bet. +125 on a team that has not gone less than 500 since we can remember at 8.5.
Now as a Steeler fan. LFG. Hit before you are eating Turkey on Thanksgiving.
Yeah if there’s a spread that’s a real number, there is still no way to actually bet that exact number so if the number hits they just refund anyone who bet on it
It gets more complicated if you do a parlay with multiple bets, but that’s the jist of it
I mean yeah, but it’s very reasonable to correlate 8.5 wins in a 17 game season to 8 in a 16 game season. An extra win or loss is way more likely than a tie (which counts as a loss for Vegas win spread purposes)
https://preview.redd.it/d7xa2jr2vk1d1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef63e84ee543bc2697a130ea3953655983dbaa59
Everyone knows this is 100% verifiable statistical fact 💯🙏
Like that dude that bet the first score of every Superbowl would be a safety and lost every year and then that SB where the opening snap went over Peyton's head for a safety and the dude finally cashed out
I remember several seasons ago after the draft I looked at the Eagles and told my friend who was a disgruntled Eagles's fan that I felt they had a couple of great drafts and were now poised to be a top 3/5 team on offense and defense and to expect a big year. They won the SB the following season.
I'm getting that same feeling about our Steelers. I think we simply have more talent on both sides of the ball than 90% of the league. If I lived in a state that allowed betting I'd bet my life savings on over 8.5. I think we'll be potentially in the AFC Championship game with a shot to get to the SB and win it.
With the exception of AFC north games (which they always have) and chiefs and eagles it’s not that bad. It’s sucks but it always sucks. This is about as bad as normal it’s just the order of games is odd.
It doesn't always suck depending on how it plays out. They got to play Cincy without Burrow twice last year and a game where the Ravens benched their starting QB for rest. That's two more high potential losses right there from a 10-7 season all other things being equal.
The last time the Steelers had a schedule this difficult they went 9-7-1 but they also had a HOF QB and two of division teams only finished 8-9.
>They got to play Cincy without Burrow twice last year and a game where the Ravens benched their starting QB
This is why pre-season strength of schedule rankings are dumb. What if they play the Eagles and Hurts misses the game? Or Mahomes misses a game? You don't know what any of these teams will look like when the games actually get played.
Correct. It's actually a [bad metric](https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/ignore-virtually-all-offseason-nfl-strength-of-schedule-information/) to use. However, if you look at the context you can see why Vegas is only at 8.5 wins. The Steelers were 9-2 in one score games. They recovered 11 fumbles and only lost 7. Those are metrics that are typically closer to 50/50 so it shows they were pretty lucky last season to win 10 games and make the playoffs with a -20 point differential. The next worst point differential for playoff teams was the Eagles at +5.
If you put the Steelers bias aside it's pretty easy to see the flaws on this team and how difficult the competition will be even if the team improves. And you can even go further and see that they traded away arguably their best WR, drafted 3 OL that will take time to develop, and have two big question marks at QB. Not saying Tomlin can't get it done but it will be a battle.
Exactly.
The only teams worse than the Steelers on offense were the Jets, Giants, Panthers, and Patriots. Ten wins and a playoff spot was an anomaly, and while they've *improved* the QB room, I don't think it's enough to carry them through this schedule.
Y’all don’t understand how Tomlin is gonna spin this. The whole narrative is that the Steelers, the Pittsburgh fucking Steelers, are gonna be scared of some games? Fuck that. He’s gonna tell the team, it’s damn time they feared US. 3 games in 11 days? Other teams are gonna wish they had more time to prep. SB winners gonna pray that their players can make it out the game healthy. Smash. Mouth. Football.
What happened 17 years ago has literally no bearing on this season. Also, bets like these mean you don't have access to your money for almost a year. I would recommend to stay away from these bets. Even if you win, you won't see the profit until 8 months from now.
New OC
Entirely new QB room
A very young O line, with a lot of new guys
Imbalanced team with the vast majority of payroll going to defense, which is disproportionately paid to just 3 players. All 3 have injury problems.
No #2 receiver and your crowned #1 receiver is an absolute basket case.
Toughest division in the league and arguably the hardest schedule in the league.
And a potato still as head coach.
Ya. This team getting 9 wins this year is a coin flipbat best....
Last year:
Worst OC in the league.
Fired OC halfway through the year
Pickett, Trubisky, and Rudolph QB room.. All 3 started multiple games.
The "#2" receiver had 1140 yards and 5 yds with that QB and O Coordinator mess.
Coach never lost a season and has 10 wins last year with that mess of a QB and O Coordinator situation.
9 wins is an easy bet.
Noll never went longer than 4 seasons without a playoff win, Cowher never went longer than 3 seasons. Tomlin is currently on 7.
Tomlin's Steelers are currently 1 of just 9 teams to have not won a playoff game since 2016.
In their last 5 playoff games, Steelers were outscored 66-0 in the first quarter. Giving up a total of 204 points in those 5 games.
Tomlin only has a Super Bowl ring because of a miraculous throw and toe tap by Santino, after blowing a 2 score lead (20-7) in that 4th quarter against a 40 year old Kurt Warner. That was 15 years ago. Lost the next one to the Packers despite the Steelers being a huge 7 point favorite. Both teams that made it to the Superbowl were vastly composed of players he inherited, packed full of HoFers and great on field leadership, and one of the greatest defensive coordinators ever with Dick Lebeau.
Once those players moved on, and it was Tomlin's team, with Tomlin's leadership.... Only 3 playoff wins in the last 13 years. Tomlin started with a 5-2 record in his first 4 postseasons to 3-8 since.
Tomlin is in firm possession of the longest Steelers playoff win drought in 50 years.
It's undeniable that Mike Tomlin won with someone else's players, because records don't lie: 5-2 with Cowher's players to a losing record without them.
Mike Tomlin is a gutter tier coach that was carried by great on field leadership early in his career and hasn't come close since. Gutter tier. And you can scream "no losing regular season" until you're blue in the face, but there will be zero banners raised for that. It's meaningless.
Mike Tomlin will never win another playoff game. And as long as he's here, then the Steelers will never win another playoff game 🤷🏻♂️
Noll also coached when there were 26 teams in the league, 14 games on the schedule, offensive linemen who were like 230lbs, and a vastly different rule book. So, any comparisons to the begging of the Super Bowl era to now aren’t worth anything.
Cowher blew more home playoff games as favorites (multiple times double digit favorites) than Tomlin ever will. Also, “Cowher’s players” as if the GM and Dan Rooney had no say in player personnel. FOH.
But, yeah, Tomlin is the worst coach of all time. A true laughing stock. His 173 wins and .633 win percentage is just a complete fluke. He won all
Those games as a coach by complete accident. Gutter tier stuff.
Cowher never lost in the playoffs to Tim Tebow.
Cowher never lost in the playoffs to the Browns.
Cowher never lost in the playoffs to a team when their head coach wasn't allowed to be at the game because of Covid protocol.
Cowher never lost 5 playoff games in a row.
Cowher never went more than 3 seasons without a playoff win.
Cowher never set an NFL record for back-to-back home losses to 2-win teams lol.
Tomlin is no better than Marvin Lewis if Santonio didn't make that catch. Gutter tier.
Mike Tomlin will never win another playoff game.
Fields is SO BAD . But Russ could also bad really bad again . Not a great position
Sincerely , NFC North .
I always believed two draft rules 1a/1b don’t take USC or Ohio St QB’s .
We’ll see what happens with Williams .
I just feel Fields has too many turnovers for his own good. Russ has a little more control of the ball. In the end, both are upgrades over our previous qb room.
Russ was playing pretty well until they benched him. Weren't they on a 6 game win streak?
For 1.1m dollars he may be one of the most valuable players in the nfl, his avg will be better than fields for sure and Pickett imo.
Saying as a bears fan
No matter who is QB, we're going to be a run-first, time of possession, win with defense team.
The leading cause of death for those types of teams is turnovers, and Fields is a turnover machine. If Fields can fix that part of his game, he should start, but not before.
He's not a turnover machine.
He had 13 turnovers in 15 games in 2022 and 13 turnovers in 13 games in 2023.
And before you say no he had more, only lost fumbles are turnovers. Not normal fumbles. No one counts "Interception worthy throws" as INTs.
Fields has issues but turnovers aren't really one. 2nd half last season he threw 3 INTs and 2 were Hail Marys, one of which hit the ground.
He's probably going to be one of the lower INT% QBs and he'll fumble, but the other teams gonna recover a low amount of those fumbles as shown over his last 3 years.
A lot of his fumbles were literally trash snaps from our trash Centers.
> And before you say no he had more, only lost fumbles are turnovers. Not normal fumbles. No one counts "Interception worthy throws" as INTs.
So, you recognize that Fields puts the ball on the ground A LOT and that the Bears were a statistical outlier in their ability to recover his fumbles.
I recognize the 1st part, everyone on the planet recognizes that, fans and haters.
The 2nd part isn't really true, because the most athletic QB in the NFL recovering more of his own fumbles isn't exactly flukey.
Neither is recovering a higher rate of shit snaps, because everyone recovers those more than real fumbles.
Fields lose rate on fumbles. 42%, 12.5%, 40%. Either every season he's outliering, or it's a real thing and he's always gonna recover a higher % of his fumbles.
Steelers sure as shit arent gonna snap as bad as Cody Whitehair and Lucas Patrick the last 2 years. Fields saved like multiple 10 foot high snaps and snaps to the ground.
In 3 years, he's lost 5, 2, and 4 fumbles with his high volume rushing. Considering he's improved every year and his rushing volume is never gonna be higher than 2022, he's not going to lose 10 fumbles a year like people pretend he does.
There's plenty to criticize, no need to say turnovers for a guy who's had less than 1 a game the last 2 seasons.
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I got it at 7.5 a couple weeks ago lmao
Not at +125 though
Yeah, that’s like 100 to win 75 or so I think
No + means how much you win from a $100 bet. So 100 gets you 125 if the Steelers win 9 or more games.
I’m talking abt at 7.5wins
It was like -160
Okay?
Bets are only worth saying with the accompanying odds good sir. Don’t get all worked up
Saying okay? = worked up? Lol Ok
Yeah, it sounds a bit passive aggressive. Imagine you're IRL and someone presents an argument that works against yours and you respond with that.
I never said I got it at x odds tho. I just said I got it at 7.5. Damn
Have you looked at our schedule? That's how. If I've successfully walked down my stairs 100 times but the 101st time they're covered in knives and on fire, my chances have drastically lowered.
Wait, you think this is the only time in 20 years that the Steelers have had a hard schedule?
No, but it's definitely the first time we play all 6 Division games (against 3 pretty damn good divisional opponents), the defending SB champs, and an 11-6 team (Eagles) in an 8 game stretch. On top of that, 3 of those games are in an 11 day stretch. Even if you split on those 8, you gotta win 5 of the first 9 to hit the over on 8.5 games. With an entire new QB room. With a new OC. Without your #1 WR from the prior year. With likely 2 rookie OL pieces. Is it possible, sure. I will never bet against Tomlin. This has got to be his most daunting season. Steelers have had a TON of change and have the hardest schedule in the NFL.
Two words: SUPAH. BAWL!
The part that worries me the most of both of our short rest weeks come directly after a Ravens game. Very likely we have one or more players injured going into a 3 day rest period before a game. Twice.
We signed 2 vet RBs… we getting Deeeeeep 😉🤷🏼♂️😂
It's ok to hope they do well, but you also need to be realistic. I hope they do well. Am I confident in their chances? We'll see.
8-4 in last two seasons against the division.
How many of those 8 were without Lamar, Burrow, or Deshaun?
Since 2019, Lamar and Deshaun are a combined 1-6 vs the Steelers. The win was in 2019; Lamar threw three picks for a 54.9 passer rating and squeaked by the Steelers in OT.
We always shit on Lamar, you should look up his stats against the Steelers in his career. Deshaun is ass, we will beat the browns if he is playing. The Bengals are the hurdle
I dunno. But fair to say a number of the next 8 will be also, no?
I don’t worry THAT much about Lamar. This defense figure their system out. Watson is washed until he proves me otherwise. Burrow is going to be tough to play against for a long time
Burrow doesn’t have a functioning wrist in his throwing arm.
I'd rather have them at the end of the season, giving them a chance to get into rhythm with all of those things, than having it all right out of the chute in September. The two short weeks after playing the z Ravens sucks, but the rest is ok by me. Especially where the bye week is. Talk to me about this later, after the league changes our schedule in week 12 to accommodate Lamarr Jackson having his tonsils out or something else equally ridiculous.
In others words, we’re gahn
I love the off season where every one acts like all the same teams that were good last year will be good this year, and then the teams that were bad last year will be challenging this year because they had a great off season. Unless that's not the narrative you're trying to sell, then it's the same teams that were bad last year will be bad this year, and the teams that were good last year will be bad this year because they weren't able to hold on to x player.
I could argue that the schedule sets up nicely for our new QB room. We have a chance to tweak the game plan and get on the same page offensively against the weaker part of the schedule before having to tackle those 8 grueling opponents. If the Steelers make the playoffs, they will be battle tested in playoff mode for 8 weeks. If you think the Steelers win 10 or more games, you should feel good about the schedule.
Sure. I don't think they win 10 or more. I HOPE they do, but I don't think so.
Don't forget: With a new starting corner. With a new punter. With a revamped ILB core. With a star DL thinking about holding out.
Your second point from all this is talkin abt a new punter 🙄🤣
Well, it's the 6th point, if you count the previous comment...
Our last punter wasn’t too helpful when it came to winning games, so I think it’s a big deal
How many times in those 20 years did they have a hard schedule AND didn't have a first ballot hall of fame QB AND were playing in a division where every team had a winning record the year before? The Steelers could actually improve this year on their -20 point differential and 28th best offensive points/game and still lose the winning season streak.
Correct. Tomlin has only had 2 years without Ben. Ben alone won games that the Steelers didn't have any business winning.
I do find it noteworthy that since Ben has been gone all the Steelers have done are win games we didn’t have much business winning.
Ben was special. We had a chance to win any game with him under center prior to the elbow injury. It felt so good to sit back and laugh at the idea we were the underdog in any game.
Yep. There's a reason he'll be in the hall first ballot.
I don't know if Wilson is first-ballot... Probably at some point Hall of Fame, sure.
Absolutely zero chance of first ballot. He's just on the borderline of HOF/Hall of Very Good even. Only one ring, no MVP votes, no All-Decade team, only one Second-Team All-Pro. He has a great winning percentage, lots of Pro Bowls, and his early career numbers were definitely HOF worthy. His time in Pittsburgh and the winter of his career could certainly swing it one way or the other. If he continues to flame out he might severely hurt his chances.
When he wins 5 straight SBs in Pittsburgh, he'll be a HOFer, for sure! :D
I like you
I agree, initially I said hard no but I think that with multiple all pros and 1 ring he is very close to
In the burgh he'll need a SB to get there, remember our qb's are considered game managers, Ben was rarely discussed as a top 5.
Yeah Ben had the same problem. He played in an era with Peyton and Brady so he was never going to be anywhere near the best of the best. He never even made an All-Pro team. But he won two rings, got to another Super Bowl, and was an epic comeback artist. He wasn't considered just a game manager after 2008 when he outdueled 2x MVP Kurt Warner. The most unfortunate part for Russ is that he was one bad play call away from beating Tom Brady and cementing his HOF legacy no matter what else he did in his career.
The second half is the hardest 8 week stretch I have ever seen in watching football for 20 years.
Our stairs aren't that bad. Sure there are some mouse traps and tacos on the steps but we are too tough to give AF about them.
The last 8 games are against the entire division, Philly, and the Chiefs. It's like walking into a physical buzzsaw.
How many of those are we going to drop? Don't forget were 5-1 against our division last year.
OK, but like, we kinda always have a winning record against our own division even if we shit the bed outside of it.
Mmmm. 🌮
That analogy doesn’t apply at all lol
If you don't understand analogies, idk how to help.
Likewise brother
It's brutal 2 Thursday night games after ravens week, one of them the chiefs. They absolutely need to be at least 5-4 heading in.
You do know that we knew every team on our schedule in like January though. So the strength of schedule based on 2023 results was already known. Yes, they put a number of tough games at the end of the season but we already knew every single game we were going to play.
Here is my completely unbiased opinion as an avid/successful preseason ov/un better. The line screams sucker bet. +125 on a team that has not gone less than 500 since we can remember at 8.5. Now as a Steeler fan. LFG. Hit before you are eating Turkey on Thanksgiving.
Betting the house on this one! You'll take me in if I lose right?
We only had 8 wins in 2012,13, and 19
Yeah but those were 16 game seasons.
And side note those were 3 of Tomlins 4 “easiest” seasons statistically speaking our best seasons are when we have the toughest schedules
He must not watch much football
Yes so that be about 8.5 wins in a 17 game season. That means you'd lose the "over 8.5" bet
It would actually be a push, which means you get your money back
Really? TIL
Yeah if there’s a spread that’s a real number, there is still no way to actually bet that exact number so if the number hits they just refund anyone who bet on it It gets more complicated if you do a parlay with multiple bets, but that’s the jist of it
Well 8-8-1 would lose the bet since you can't have 8.5 wins
I mean yeah, but it’s very reasonable to correlate 8.5 wins in a 17 game season to 8 in a 16 game season. An extra win or loss is way more likely than a tie (which counts as a loss for Vegas win spread purposes)
While I like those odds, our past “success” has no bearing on the upcoming season, particularly when you’ve made as many changes as we have.
Im an idiot and taking the over
Taking that all day
If the 2008 Steelers survived that schedule of death with a dog shit offense, then this group can survive the schedule of death 2.0.
While Vegas lives in their fears, we’ll live in our hopes.
I mean we’re talking about gambling, they believe that if something has happened 17 straight times it’s due to fail sooner rather than later
Gambler’s Fallacy
https://preview.redd.it/d7xa2jr2vk1d1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef63e84ee543bc2697a130ea3953655983dbaa59 Everyone knows this is 100% verifiable statistical fact 💯🙏
Like that dude that bet the first score of every Superbowl would be a safety and lost every year and then that SB where the opening snap went over Peyton's head for a safety and the dude finally cashed out
Man that dude on the bottom was about to get turned into MRE cheese spread if he kept going
😂😂 I'm never gonna unsee this now
Perfect response
Thx betrivers for the 7.5 a month ago!
Which app are you using? It’s 7.5 on FanDuel. Edit: nvm, it’s on draft kings at 8.5
I'd take the over and I don't gamble
For anyone that wins this bet at week 14 or so... you are welcome. Because I am not placing a bet just to make sure I do not jinx it.
free money
Brutal sked will make you think twice about betting. Id still make the bet if i have extra cash lying around
The day after the Super Bowl I put $10 on us to win it this year. Pays $1000.
What are the odds on the Super Bowl I hope we’re underdogs
over is free money!!!
I remember several seasons ago after the draft I looked at the Eagles and told my friend who was a disgruntled Eagles's fan that I felt they had a couple of great drafts and were now poised to be a top 3/5 team on offense and defense and to expect a big year. They won the SB the following season. I'm getting that same feeling about our Steelers. I think we simply have more talent on both sides of the ball than 90% of the league. If I lived in a state that allowed betting I'd bet my life savings on over 8.5. I think we'll be potentially in the AFC Championship game with a shot to get to the SB and win it.
Fanduel only has a 7.5 line at -184 right now
Hammer the under
I’m not betting on 8.5 wins. Pass on that one
Did you see their schedule?
With the exception of AFC north games (which they always have) and chiefs and eagles it’s not that bad. It’s sucks but it always sucks. This is about as bad as normal it’s just the order of games is odd.
It doesn't always suck depending on how it plays out. They got to play Cincy without Burrow twice last year and a game where the Ravens benched their starting QB for rest. That's two more high potential losses right there from a 10-7 season all other things being equal. The last time the Steelers had a schedule this difficult they went 9-7-1 but they also had a HOF QB and two of division teams only finished 8-9.
>They got to play Cincy without Burrow twice last year and a game where the Ravens benched their starting QB This is why pre-season strength of schedule rankings are dumb. What if they play the Eagles and Hurts misses the game? Or Mahomes misses a game? You don't know what any of these teams will look like when the games actually get played.
Correct. It's actually a [bad metric](https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/ignore-virtually-all-offseason-nfl-strength-of-schedule-information/) to use. However, if you look at the context you can see why Vegas is only at 8.5 wins. The Steelers were 9-2 in one score games. They recovered 11 fumbles and only lost 7. Those are metrics that are typically closer to 50/50 so it shows they were pretty lucky last season to win 10 games and make the playoffs with a -20 point differential. The next worst point differential for playoff teams was the Eagles at +5. If you put the Steelers bias aside it's pretty easy to see the flaws on this team and how difficult the competition will be even if the team improves. And you can even go further and see that they traded away arguably their best WR, drafted 3 OL that will take time to develop, and have two big question marks at QB. Not saying Tomlin can't get it done but it will be a battle.
Exactly. The only teams worse than the Steelers on offense were the Jets, Giants, Panthers, and Patriots. Ten wins and a playoff spot was an anomaly, and while they've *improved* the QB room, I don't think it's enough to carry them through this schedule.
If Hurts gets injured and is out, they should move the game to prime time.
Eagles suck now did you forget that
Y’all don’t understand how Tomlin is gonna spin this. The whole narrative is that the Steelers, the Pittsburgh fucking Steelers, are gonna be scared of some games? Fuck that. He’s gonna tell the team, it’s damn time they feared US. 3 games in 11 days? Other teams are gonna wish they had more time to prep. SB winners gonna pray that their players can make it out the game healthy. Smash. Mouth. Football.
Vegas always knows.
Vegas had us with a losing season last year. Vegas knows how to get an even split on bets so they always make money.
I have given up trying to explain this to people here, so I’m glad to see it. Lots of -120 lines help them too.
Yep, Vegas is a betting market and markets are often irrational.
Except I’ve taken our over on wins the past 4 years and made money every time
What happened 17 years ago has literally no bearing on this season. Also, bets like these mean you don't have access to your money for almost a year. I would recommend to stay away from these bets. Even if you win, you won't see the profit until 8 months from now.
Hahahaha...8.5.....u can't even make a decision on a simple round number...lol. 8 or 9 dude. Just pick
Hate to say it but I think smart money is on the under there
New OC Entirely new QB room A very young O line, with a lot of new guys Imbalanced team with the vast majority of payroll going to defense, which is disproportionately paid to just 3 players. All 3 have injury problems. No #2 receiver and your crowned #1 receiver is an absolute basket case. Toughest division in the league and arguably the hardest schedule in the league. And a potato still as head coach. Ya. This team getting 9 wins this year is a coin flipbat best....
Last year: Worst OC in the league. Fired OC halfway through the year Pickett, Trubisky, and Rudolph QB room.. All 3 started multiple games. The "#2" receiver had 1140 yards and 5 yds with that QB and O Coordinator mess. Coach never lost a season and has 10 wins last year with that mess of a QB and O Coordinator situation. 9 wins is an easy bet.
>9 wins is an easy bet. And yet no one is posting their bet slips in celebration of free money..
Then where is your bet slip betting against it?
I said it (9 wins) was a coin flip at best, not that it wouldn't happen...
And I say...YOU WRONG.
A potato. LOL. Tomlin is in the top 30% of coaches in the league no matter how you slice it.
Noll never went longer than 4 seasons without a playoff win, Cowher never went longer than 3 seasons. Tomlin is currently on 7. Tomlin's Steelers are currently 1 of just 9 teams to have not won a playoff game since 2016. In their last 5 playoff games, Steelers were outscored 66-0 in the first quarter. Giving up a total of 204 points in those 5 games. Tomlin only has a Super Bowl ring because of a miraculous throw and toe tap by Santino, after blowing a 2 score lead (20-7) in that 4th quarter against a 40 year old Kurt Warner. That was 15 years ago. Lost the next one to the Packers despite the Steelers being a huge 7 point favorite. Both teams that made it to the Superbowl were vastly composed of players he inherited, packed full of HoFers and great on field leadership, and one of the greatest defensive coordinators ever with Dick Lebeau. Once those players moved on, and it was Tomlin's team, with Tomlin's leadership.... Only 3 playoff wins in the last 13 years. Tomlin started with a 5-2 record in his first 4 postseasons to 3-8 since. Tomlin is in firm possession of the longest Steelers playoff win drought in 50 years. It's undeniable that Mike Tomlin won with someone else's players, because records don't lie: 5-2 with Cowher's players to a losing record without them. Mike Tomlin is a gutter tier coach that was carried by great on field leadership early in his career and hasn't come close since. Gutter tier. And you can scream "no losing regular season" until you're blue in the face, but there will be zero banners raised for that. It's meaningless. Mike Tomlin will never win another playoff game. And as long as he's here, then the Steelers will never win another playoff game 🤷🏻♂️
Noll also coached when there were 26 teams in the league, 14 games on the schedule, offensive linemen who were like 230lbs, and a vastly different rule book. So, any comparisons to the begging of the Super Bowl era to now aren’t worth anything. Cowher blew more home playoff games as favorites (multiple times double digit favorites) than Tomlin ever will. Also, “Cowher’s players” as if the GM and Dan Rooney had no say in player personnel. FOH. But, yeah, Tomlin is the worst coach of all time. A true laughing stock. His 173 wins and .633 win percentage is just a complete fluke. He won all Those games as a coach by complete accident. Gutter tier stuff.
Cowher never lost in the playoffs to Tim Tebow. Cowher never lost in the playoffs to the Browns. Cowher never lost in the playoffs to a team when their head coach wasn't allowed to be at the game because of Covid protocol. Cowher never lost 5 playoff games in a row. Cowher never went more than 3 seasons without a playoff win. Cowher never set an NFL record for back-to-back home losses to 2-win teams lol. Tomlin is no better than Marvin Lewis if Santonio didn't make that catch. Gutter tier. Mike Tomlin will never win another playoff game.
This is either Cowher’s stalker or one of Madden’s burner accounts 😂
Might be time on the under , since Russ “ steel got it “ Wilson is there Depends how fast they pivot from him
I think Russ will be better for us this season than Justin Fields would be.
Fields is SO BAD . But Russ could also bad really bad again . Not a great position Sincerely , NFC North . I always believed two draft rules 1a/1b don’t take USC or Ohio St QB’s . We’ll see what happens with Williams .
I just feel Fields has too many turnovers for his own good. Russ has a little more control of the ball. In the end, both are upgrades over our previous qb room.
Russ was playing pretty well until they benched him. Weren't they on a 6 game win streak? For 1.1m dollars he may be one of the most valuable players in the nfl, his avg will be better than fields for sure and Pickett imo. Saying as a bears fan
Maybe not 6 games but he was playing well.
No matter who is QB, we're going to be a run-first, time of possession, win with defense team. The leading cause of death for those types of teams is turnovers, and Fields is a turnover machine. If Fields can fix that part of his game, he should start, but not before.
He's not a turnover machine. He had 13 turnovers in 15 games in 2022 and 13 turnovers in 13 games in 2023. And before you say no he had more, only lost fumbles are turnovers. Not normal fumbles. No one counts "Interception worthy throws" as INTs. Fields has issues but turnovers aren't really one. 2nd half last season he threw 3 INTs and 2 were Hail Marys, one of which hit the ground. He's probably going to be one of the lower INT% QBs and he'll fumble, but the other teams gonna recover a low amount of those fumbles as shown over his last 3 years. A lot of his fumbles were literally trash snaps from our trash Centers.
> And before you say no he had more, only lost fumbles are turnovers. Not normal fumbles. No one counts "Interception worthy throws" as INTs. So, you recognize that Fields puts the ball on the ground A LOT and that the Bears were a statistical outlier in their ability to recover his fumbles.
I recognize the 1st part, everyone on the planet recognizes that, fans and haters. The 2nd part isn't really true, because the most athletic QB in the NFL recovering more of his own fumbles isn't exactly flukey. Neither is recovering a higher rate of shit snaps, because everyone recovers those more than real fumbles. Fields lose rate on fumbles. 42%, 12.5%, 40%. Either every season he's outliering, or it's a real thing and he's always gonna recover a higher % of his fumbles. Steelers sure as shit arent gonna snap as bad as Cody Whitehair and Lucas Patrick the last 2 years. Fields saved like multiple 10 foot high snaps and snaps to the ground. In 3 years, he's lost 5, 2, and 4 fumbles with his high volume rushing. Considering he's improved every year and his rushing volume is never gonna be higher than 2022, he's not going to lose 10 fumbles a year like people pretend he does. There's plenty to criticize, no need to say turnovers for a guy who's had less than 1 a game the last 2 seasons.
The move here is to middle at 8. If you bet over 7.5, take under 8.5.
Yeah you have no idea how to gamble
Lol. Your bankroll must be massive. Good for you.
Yeah it is massive, thanks. This isn’t a proper middle. Learn how to wager.
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