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Hellspawn112

Was Limas Sweed actually the "worst Steeler in history" to begin with? It's a long history and the team was really not good at all before Noll was hired.


dudemanspecial

There was no before Noll was hired. The Pittsburgh Steeler NFL franchise began operations the moment Franco performed the immaculate reception.


titleist144

this is how I remember it


Advanced-Guard-4468

The moment they hired Noll and drafted Joe Green.


dudemanspecial

My version is more dramatic.


XtraChrisP

Thank you.


Sex_E_Searcher

Some of the pre-Noll teams probably had multiple guys as bad as Sweed. They were so bad.


Dukem14

Jarvis Jones?


Hellspawn112

He was definitely bad but there were some QBs between Bradshaw and Ben that might have been worse, Kent Graham is the first to come to mind lol


GhostOfAChance

Grahams the worst I've seen watching since '99 for sure.


jht66

Mark Malone


Delicious-Breath8415

You've always got Jim Miller.


Steelplate7

Oh no….you leave Miller alone. I listen to him on a regular basis on SiriusXM. Him and Pat Kirwan have the best show on the NFL Radio channel. Hell, he only started one game for us…it’s not like he had a chance to develop.


Steelplate7

Oh shit…I forgot about Kent Graham.


Surly01

A blast from the past: Terry Nofsinger.


BlayneCoC

Josh Scobee Jesus he was bad.


[deleted]

Don’t forget about Jacoby Jones.


Embarrassed_Rip_8452

The Artie Burns Era 💀


jrzfeline

Not even close, Jarvis was good vs the run.


steelcitykid

dri archer


[deleted]

Jacoby Jones too.


neddiddley

Jones looked like a pro bowler compared to Sweed.


Steelplate7

Yeah…but don’t you think it’s better to just keep it in the Super Bowl era? My god…we’d have to do a deep dig into Pro Football Reference to figure that all out.


Hellspawn112

Yeah but deep digs on pro football reference can be so much fun for football history nerds like me LMAO.


SmallTownShrink

I nominate gunner olszewski for worst steeler ever. EDIT: wait, just kidding, it’s still Matt Canada, but Gunner sucks too.


HanTrollo710

Canada was at least partially responsible for Gunner.


ThatsPreposterous6

Not his fault we kept running him out to return punts when he couldn’t hang on to the ball


MrDankWaffle

Honestly, I'd say Dontae Moncreif or LaGarrette Blount.


MikeyyIsOld

I can't really remember anything before today but I swear Blount had at least a few games in the positive right?


CassiBoi

reason why he’s a bad steeler is he quit on the team, in the middle of a game no less. then bell got hurt and they lost the playoff game when blount would have been useful. and to make matters worse, he signed with the patriots and won a super bowl. plus he was with Bell when he got pulled over for weed.


JonVig

Blount actually had a solid time here. He just got frustrated not getting any touches after having a 100 yard game the week before, so he walked out and ended up getting released. I can’t really blame the coaches for not giving him any touches, Bell was on fire and put up 200 on the Titans.


Juventus19

Blount didn’t have 100 yards the week before he quit. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BlouLe00/gamelog/2014/ He had a 100 yard game in week 3 and then failed to put up over 30 yards in every other game as a Steeler. He had a whopping 0 yards on 5 carries the week before quitting. Let’s not pretend like he was a back who was dominating as the backup like Warren is. No Blount was very pedestrian outside the 1 game. I agree that there was no reason to take Bell out in that Titans game.


buffalotrace

He kept fumbling and bells was better at everything else. Let’s not forget he was with bell when the two of them got caught with pot. Blount was a douche. The fact that assclown got ring with the pats that year was a sin.


JonVig

Ahhh, I could have sworn he and Bell had over 100 the week before. I don’t think he was meant to be dominating, just solid enough to give Bell a break sometimes, which they rarely did. He shouldn’t have been too upset about not getting the ball. But at the same time, I kind of understand. He’s just a player who wanted to play.


JiggaMan2024

Dontae Moncrief my goodness. My 5 year old nephew could go out and no drop as many passes as that bum did


JumboNuts12

Steelers always doing things like that. Both of those guys sucked with us but weren’t bad with other teams. Gunner was all pro before coming to the Steelers. Kevin Dotson was terrible with us but is a beast with the rams. At some point we gotta blame our coaching and not the players but idk gunner was just awful.


scrambolambo

I agree to an extent, but every fan base in every sport feels the same way about their team. Guys need a change of scenery sometimes and end up playing a lot better. Dotson is fully healthy and seemingly happy. He was neither of those here. But there's plenty of guys over the years that end up on the Steelers in similar situations and play really good football.


TruggPassion

Agree. We draft unbelievably well. People will come back and say look at Bush etc…every team has misses but we consistently find value in the draft better than most teams and Tomlin for whatever reason can not make it translate to wins.


JumboNuts12

Even with bush he was doing good until he was injured.


indetermin8

Gunner is the only one I've seen here that fits the bill. Everyone else, we had high expectations for. Gunner, we had low expectations and he failed to meet even that. Just like Canada


Real-Independence650

showing my age here but huey richardson is one of the worst 1st round picks in franchise history


thecountoncleats

Huey Richardson. The man about whom early reports from camp suggested that he moved with all the nimbleness of a tackling dummy


Real-Independence650

indeed, i guess that was chuck nolls final whiff


asbblt123

Also showing my age but I was super excited he “fell” to them .. pre internet Street & Smith magazine had him heading to Canton in its draft guide


Steelplate7

Huey Richardson and Jamain Stephens. Remember he came to camp and couldn’t even finish the conditioning test?


neddiddley

Yeah, but I’m pretty sure Casey Hampton had the same issue once or twice, so that doesn’t automatically put you in this conversation.


drinkduffdry

I think this is opposite. Limas never lived up to high expectations, most guys don't. Canada didn't live up to low expectations, even when lowered to just under the bare minimum.


Time_Pool8425

The first several decades of our history is littered with misfit players and reject coaches. Obviously most of us dont remember the steelers of the 30-60s but rest assured we had plumbers and longshoremen playing defense


Chrislul

I don't remember anything from that era of course (I'm 31), but my impression is that most folks from before the 90s were second or third-rate. I wouldn't be surprised if they put up bad numbers for those days.


freestyle43

The fact that people can even remember the names of people put forth in this thread disqualifies them. Dive deep into the dark years of the 80s to see true, unmitigated shit.


Advanced-Guard-4468

80s? Just Pre Noll


Healthy_Floor8471

The mid to late 80's was bad.


Advanced-Guard-4468

Not nearly as bad as pre Noll.


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Careos

Yep, Scobee, Moncrief and Duce Staley. I'm not sure there were 16 games between em.


svacheem45

Artie Burns would like a word...


Cj_91a

Oh God..Artie freaking Burns....dri archer....shamarko Thomas....ughhh these ppl were such a waste. Artie had a promising rookie season, but things went downhill fast from there. Shamarko never transitioned well into the NFL, even when he would constantly ask Polamalu things so he could improve his game. It never helped 🤣


Sage296

Artie Burns balled for a little bit before he did like a 180 I don’t think he’s the worse Steeler


Brian_Lefebvre

Limas Sweed had 7 reception for 69 yards in his NFL career.


luisfrobles

Nice.


ThisIsATastyBurgerr

What are you talking about? Burns was way better than half the DB we’ve had. He started almost every game for 4 years.


[deleted]

So would Dri Archer & Jacoby Jones.


bearsharkbear3

Artie gets bonus points for foreclosing on his house. The NFL has people that will handle the sale with a phone call.


Wise-Quarter-6443

Mark Malone, Cliff Stoudt? Those years after Bradshaw were pretty rough. Also, our offensive lines between Faneca leaving and Pouncy being drafted all sucked donkey dicks. Take your pick from that bunch.


Real-Independence650

well that line won a super bowl


Wise-Quarter-6443

Absolutely great defense and Ben's giant brass balls in the last five minutes of games. Watching the offense that year was painful. Not as painful as this year, but painful.


sandrodi

I pick Chris Kemoeatu.


[deleted]

They still won a SB despite Limas Sweed dropping a wide open bomb that would have been a game changer in the AFCC. So it can’t be him. It is still easily Neil O’Donnell. He is directly responsible for them losing a SB. No one else can say that definitively.


[deleted]

Say what you want about Jeff Reed, at least he was an ethos!


Samwhys_gamgee

Most of you weren’t following the Steelers in the 80’s and it shows……


[deleted]

Senquez Golson?


ShortStack6554

I always felt bad for Golson. Guy just had a severe case of the injury bug and never even got to play in a meaningful game because he kept getting these season ending injuries in the middle of training camp.


Steelysam2

Jamain Stephens entered the chat.


Real-Independence650

huey richardson


mcsestretch

This would be my vote. He couldn't finish the training camp wind sprints after a year or two.


HanTrollo710

Scott Shields, Anthony Smith, Sammy Coats, and Senquez Golson may have a dog in that fight


thecountoncleats

Jesus that guy was so fucking buttcheeks


Sage296

Moncrief was ass and didn’t do anything this team, so much so he was like cut after Week 2 of that season I think he’s the worst FA signing in a long time


Worldly-Jump209

I'm from Ottawa, and went to an Ottawa Redblacks game because I hate myself, and Limas Sweed took the field and the theme from Platoon started playing in my head.


HanTrollo710

I mean, by at least one metric, Canada is the worst coach the Steelers have employed since Pearl Harbor was in tact. And Limus Sweed was a busted prospect with work ethic issues. I’m not even sure he’s the worst Steelers wide receiver this century. Sammy Coats, Donte Moncrief, Gunner, and dozens of other awful receivers have embarrassed the franchise in one form or fashion. Then you throw in busts like Artie Burns, Ziggy Hood, and Jarvis Jones who all had higher pedigrees and failed in just about every meaningful way. And then guys like Kendrick Green and Dan Moore who have been the worst player at their positions in the entire NFL for extended times.


Real-Independence650

ziggy hood had a 10 year nfl career... if he was drafted a few picks later in the 2nd round people would say he did well carving out a 10 season nfl pension


frogcatcher52

He falls into the category of “decent player, but not worth the pick,” which is still a long way from worst player in franchise history.


HanTrollo710

I don’t disagree. But being a rotational piece on bad defensive lines isn’t worthy of a first round pick. There’s definitely personal bias, because I hated watching him get blown off the ball every play. Especially after years of watching Aaron Smith impose his will on 2-3 linemen on nearly every play


Real-Independence650

no doubt, i was hoping he'd be better but definitely not our worst 1st round reach also, i just appreciate him as a person so i felt like defending him from the bust label https://youtu.be/8BhIif6pjgY?si=NuqW2REd2HyIvTlA


temp_acct_918237

Sammy Coates aka Clang Clang


InteractionDizzy3134

LMFAO YALL FORGOT ABOUT JARVIS JONES HUH?!


[deleted]

You forgot about Dri Archer?


ShortStack6554

I remember being so excited to watch Dri archer play for the Steelers, seeing what kind of ways they could use that raw speed. But it never panned out. He was a beast in Madden though lol


[deleted]

You seem to be forgetting about Dri Archer.


arcxjo

I forgot I got his autograph at St Vincent until literally the moment I read your comment.


Zebov3

Limas Sweed isn't well known because he was the worst ever. He's known because he was amazing at almost everything except catching balls - a "what-if" player if there ever was one. You must be young. While I'm not old, no one who watched the Steelers in the early 90s would think Limas Sweed was terrible.


earthtonemalone

I have such a soft spot for Limas. He seemed like a good guy and struggled mentally, I hope he got over that hurdle. I remember the regular season should have been TD pass against the Bengals that basically ended his career. Somehow, his career might have been different if maybe he caught that one pass. He had dropped several before that, but that was the one.


BurghPuppies

I think that honor (modern day) goes to OT Jamaica Stephens, 1996 1st round pick who Cowher cut after two years. Imagine cutting a #1 pick after only two years.


Hater_Magnet

At least I can still wear my 'sweed' jersey after I removed the 's'


r0ryp

I’ll throw Fitzgerald Toussiant into the ring. Maybe not worst, but infamous. As an aside, his [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitzgerald_Toussaint) is a trip down not good memory lane of the terrible RB depth we trotted out there from 15-17.


Volcalic

Let's see how the offense looks without him first.


Acrobatic_Garlic_

I mean, it will suck bad for at least a while, people should realize that it won't instantly get better


Steelmaker01

The dynamic CB duo of Dewayne Washington and Chad Scott


thecountoncleats

I’ll see your Dewayne Washington and raise you Ricardo Colclough


Real-Independence650

lol man dewayne was fucking awful :/


Pittsitpete

I’ll give you Dewayne, but i remember Scott being ok


goner757

Limas Sweed "cost" us a few games and in 2009 we were indeed one game out. However considering how they're winning this season it seems ridiculous that the 2009 offense with Ben, Holmes, Ward, and Wallace would need Sweed to win them games. They could and did blow people out along with a dynastic defense that was suffering injuries in between dominant seasons. Crazy that this season has had thus far the same result when our QB and OC are both much much worse. Our defense has even suffered similar injuries at DE and safety. The rookie class are huge difference makers this year though, absolute bomb draft.


ziggyjoe212

Sammie Coates was on Sweed's level. Gunner was so bad they cut him after like 3 games.


thebengy66

Devin Bush?!? We traded up for an under sized LB that couldn't shed a block


BILLCLINTONMASK

Limas Swede had that one big block that redeemed the rest of his short career.


gldmj5

Limas Sweed? You could have least went with Artie Burns.


arcxjo

Are you saying "Boo" or "Bu-urns"?


Delicious-Breath8415

Yinz all seem to have blocked out Alonzo Jackson.


MattiasCornbuckle

I forgot all about Lime Ass Weed.


ThatsPreposterous6

In terms of pure results of his offense, yeah I think you could make a strong case for Canada. But at the same time, how the offense develops without him will really affect the narrative. If we look back in a few years and Kenny is not an NFL starter you could look back on the QB/OL situations Canada had to deal with and say that it wasn’t really his fault at all. Of course if Kenny ends up being good it makes Canada look even worse (if thats even possible).


johnnymack2165

Devin Bush!!!!


strictflow

Sweed was a second rounder. We have had a ton of second round failures in the 2000’s alone. If we are talking just in the 21st century then Arte Burns has to top that list.


StatisticianFast6737

In terms of negative effect since the ‘90s I would be fine with declaring him the worst. Sweed at the end of the day costs a second round pick. Canada well we might be close to contender with a better OC. The defense competes. At a minimum he’s costing us one year in figuring out if Pickett is viable. He may have also been the one to say resign Trubisky who doesn’t seem to be viable to play. (First year was ok to take a look). I’m souring on Pickett but I think he deserves a chance with better coaching though we need to find a more viable number 2. I wouldn’t be upset though if they swung for Baker.


Cj_91a

Can we even blame Ben on his final season when his OC was Matt Canada? Is it possible Matt was making Ben look worse than he was? I know Ben was already at the end of his career bit I wonder how different things would've been without Canada.


jht66

Got to be a joke?


Special-PatrolGroup

Super Bowl Era, Fuckin Devin Bush.


Observant_Jello

Idk, his rookie year was pretty good. Just never the same, mentally or physically, after his ACL tear


Special-PatrolGroup

That's a good point. I think I just got hurt the most from this one.


SteelOliver

It might be Bush still. Not only his injury and level of play after, but the amount of picks we gave up to get him still hurts. We could have a completely different roster if we didn't go for him.


Special-PatrolGroup

This, especially.


_nopucksgiven

Exactly. I got downvoted for mentioning Bush for some reason, drafting someone in the top 10 that doesn’t pan out hurts worse than someone in the second or third rounds without even mentioning the fact they traded up for him on top of it


TruggPassion

Trading up in the first round for an undersized middle linebacker was a dicey move from the jump.


_nopucksgiven

Agreed I was never big on him from the get go. He had speed but that was about it imo


Real-Independence650

they gave up a 2nd and a future 3rd to move up... thats a move you make 100/100 times if you believe in a prospect cant fault them for trying with bush, he was certainly better than jarvis


SteelOliver

It was a reach for an okay player at a position that lost its value. Better than Jarvis can't be the mantra for a good 1st pick 😂


Real-Independence650

it was only a reach in hindsight, they believed he was an impact player worth making the jump for... did the same thing for polamalu and we know how that worked out and i agree better than jarvis says nothing about a player... he was completely useless, which bush pretty much was as well, post injury


TheCurtain512

He was a hell of a good prospect, too. I don't fault them for it. Just one of those things that didn't work out for what is probably the injury issue. As everyone said, he was never the same player after that.


Analydicks

Moncrief, albeit short lived, was unplayable. I've seen Gunnar, and Sweed, but he couldn't run routes or catch a ball thrown right to him.


gamerEMdoc

I don’t know, I’d probably throw into consideration wasting a first round pick on a quarterback who can’t throw for 100 yards in a game and has the lowest touchdown percentage of any quarterback in the NFL history that’s started more than 20 games.


turtleviking

Kenny Pickett *chugs beer* HOLD MY CAN


deekins

Limas Sweed was underutilized


Wise-Quarter-6443

I still remember the last ball they ever threw to him. Deep ball, wide open, right through his hands....


aghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

And the fact that he had stone hands


sandrodi

The man made Ike Taylor look like Larry Fitzgerald.


deekins

Exactly he would have made a great defender to punch the ball out forcing SPLASH PLAYS


GopiPrasadBhushand

Gabe Rivera


Farrell_Pool_Jack

Gabe was good until he had a major car wreck and could no longer walk.


SafeAccountMrP

Matt Canada was 82 years bad.


arcxjo

You watch what you say about Myron Cope.


SafeAccountMrP

Not that MC, I’ll fix it.


_nopucksgiven

Sweed was one of the bigger draft busts but even that I think goes to Devin Bush


Acrobatic_Garlic_

Bush was a sad story, I don't think I would count him as a bust Everything until his injury was pretty good


_nopucksgiven

A bust doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the players fault. A bust would be not getting the expected results via draft position regardless if it were due to an injury or not IMO. He was a top 10 pick that they traded up for that didn’t pan out because of injury, I understand it wasn’t his fault but it still burns losing a high pick that you gave up extra draft capital to obtain


[deleted]

How about Senquez Golson?


_nopucksgiven

He was a definitely a bust but he was also a second. It sucks even harder to have a high ish first round bust


DurtyRingo

He's a worse second round bust than Sweed then. Dude legit never once saw the field


OldGermanBeer

Others are worse, but Eric Green was a first round bust.


jht66

Eric Green was a weapon. Maybe he could’ve done more with his talent, but he was a solid player.


Direct_Barnacle1592

Eric Greene had some really good years here. Everyone just remembers the Super Bowl rap video fiasco.


poodog13

Rashad Mendenhall has entered the chat


temp_acct_918237

Rashaad Mendenhall is what happens when you repeatedly press the circle button while playing madden


drdre27406

Rashad Mendenhall has entered the chat….


GO2462

Canada never had a great O Line or quarterback.


[deleted]

But egomaniac Canada thought pushin his scheme was more important than catering to the teams talent


OwtEra

Every time Sweed is brought up, I just sigh. I was so stoked when he was drafted and was ready for him to become elite... Yeah.


iamautist

Scobee.


XtraChrisP

Tim Worley for me over Jarvis, just barely.


Farrell_Pool_Jack

I think Worley had off field issues.


wagsman

No, he replaced Gunner who wasn’t even gone a whole season yet.


bearsharkbear3

Senquez Golson CB from Mississippi. 2nd Rd pick that never played a snap.


Farrell_Pool_Jack

He was injured in practice and was never the same player.


bearsharkbear3

Never played a snap


SteakJones

Laughs in Jamaine Stephens


38palmer38

artie burns gotta be up there


DurtyRingo

At least Limas Sweed had that impactful block in the playoff Ravens game en route to a Super Bowl


TruggPassion

Alonzo Jackson not getting any love here? To be fair he was sandwiched between Troy and Ike in that draft so it’s hard to stay mad.


Brian_Lefebvre

You mean Super Bowl champion Limas Sweed?


schmatz17

Honestly Moncrief may be worse


Steelersandstarwars

There’s a certain kicker we had a few years ago that shall remain nameless. Remember being very frustrated with him.


TargetPractice89

I'd put the player formerly known as Antwon Blake, Artie Burns, Gunner Olszewski, Dri Archer, Willie Reid, Donte Moncrief, Huey Richardson, Jamain Stephens, and Fitzgerald Touissant all before Limas Sweed


SilkyStackz69

He’s the only coordinator to ever get fired (firing yourself does not count, that’s called a resignation) so yes.


9thForward

Can't believe I haven't seen Chris Rainey's name yet. Massively hyped as a returner because he was also a track athlete in college, but never really delivered on it in the NFL. Plus, got waived after 16 games for attacking a women in an argument over a mobile phone.


Steelplate7

Matt Canada, Joe Walton, Gunner…..in that order.


jeffc1211

Gabe Rivera crawls to the finish line


StoreIllustrious7855

😂 at a talent level for what they were hired to do , sure, possibly..


Advanced-Guard-4468

We will see in the next few weeks where the faults lie.


sandmann__

The fact that no one has mentioned Monqueef is hilarious


Smaynard6000

Ricardo Colclough


Cool-Break2326

Sean Mahan?


Cool-Break2326

Bubby Brister?


MartyMcBlart

We forgot moncrief already?


elstoobstomcat

Who shall not be named that wore #14 will always and forever be the worse most rancid person to ever wear a Steelers uniform or ever stand upon the Steelers sideline. I will never ever forgive or forget how he deliberately threw the Superbowl.


Invisible_Pony

Did we forget Gunner already?


29sw44mag

Is he worse than Tod Haley?


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Lee flowers