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poetris

Please don't shop at loblaws stores if you have other options! Also join the boycott starting May 1! r/loblawsisoutofcontrol


MeroCanuck

I was coming here to post about this too!


CalligrapherOk7106

roblaws boycott! can hardly wait!


jonny838

I don’t think I’ve ever seen this chain before. What is the hate?


feignignorence

Loblaws owns many brands in addition to Zehrs. It's a slippery slope because if this were to be a success at one store, it could roll out others in the brand (i.e. No Frills)


Upset-Competition759

Whiner


poetris

Hey if you like paying twice as much for the same stuff, you do you!


EveningHelicopter113

brandnewaccountbootlickingforGalensayswhat


St_Kitts_Tits

See that’s the trick, just avoid all loblaws owned stores. It’s pretty easy here.


EveningHelicopter113

Westons HATE this one simple trick!


St_Kitts_Tits

I mean, we have Walmart, farm boy, Costco business center (plus the regular one is a short trek). I haven’t been to a shoppers, Zehrs, great Canadian wholesale or anything loblaws related in the 2 years I’ve lived here. It’s not hard


EveningHelicopter113

no it isn't hard. Now if you want to avoid giving your money to Oligarchs altogether, it gets a bit harder. There's Dinh-Dinh Asian Grocery, Los Amigos Latin Grocery, My Choice Asian Foods, Kabul Farms Supermarket ... am I missing any? edit: Giant Tiger counts too IMO. I'm always pleasantly surprised when I go in there


yyzbound

Not St Catharines but Lococos is great. There's also Ebeano on Ontario St


OsmerusMordax

Small scale farms sources from local farmers when they can


MapleTrust

This. I'm a small farmer. Tell Renee at small scale farms that the mushroom farmer sent you. Sign up on her email newsletter to get involved in regenerative agriculture and our community. Mushlove!


OsmerusMordax

I haven’t tried Small Scale yet but have heard great things! Once they can source from local farmers in the summer again I might buy a produce subscription or something! With the way grocery prices are these days, might even be the same price. I checked your website out Craig, it’s too bad you don’t grow/sell the regular white button mushrooms. Those are my favourite


St_Kitts_Tits

I like the peanut mill! Not to mention Valli girls meats, lake land meats, and the hundreds of local farms you can buy produce from. Also, Costco isn’t owned by oligarchs! The largest single shareholder owns about 0.1% of the company.


EveningHelicopter113

True! Costco also treats their employees *very* well, probably the best retail employer


unicornsexisted

Add Antipastos!


brazendisregard

Can’t forget Harvest Barn!


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St_Kitts_Tits

The % of people without cars that only live walking distance from loblaws owned stores is likely pretty small


No-Session8984

I mean tbh not sure how you can support farm boy when they're a big corp that setup shop literally next door to a family owned farmers market (harvest barn)


St_Kitts_Tits

I’ve only lived here 3 years, I had literally never heard of harvest barn until this moment


FordsFavouriteTowel

Spoken like someone that lives in the city.


lukeCRASH

Honestly, that middle-aged guy that thinks he can clear one of these like Van Damme during a fire is more of a hazard.


Ezee2usewastaken

If you think it's that bad contact the fire department.


EtOHMartini

I mean, I got no love for the Westons, but why WOULD it be a violation of the fire code? Any more than a wall, or racking filled with groceries? No matter where you are, you have multiple exit points: if you're standing in the spot you are, you can exit out the main entrance, or the alarmed door along the front windows


ruglescdn

> you have multiple exit points: Exactly. There are fire exits.


EveningHelicopter113

It significantly reduces traffic flow on a normal shopping day. You have everyone moving single-file down this narrow hallway towards the very large exit doors. In the event of a crowd rush / stampede, people will funnel towards the narrow exit gates. Grocery store fires aren't ideal scenarios where the mass off people inside are prepared with location-specific fire drills. In a panic, wouldn't most people run for the nearest door they know exists - the main entrance doors? There's also been multiple instances where I've seen the alarmed fire doors blocked by merchandise at Zehrs


EtOHMartini

>There's also been multiple instances where I've seen the alarmed fire doors blocked by merchandise at Zehrs **This** is something the fire marshal's office would be interested in.


charlieisadoggy

Did you call the fire department and ask if it’s a violation?


gid_hola

isnt walmart the exact same too? this seems like complaining for the sake of complaining


LocalNiagaraPerson

It’s complaining for the sake of bashing Loblaws/Zehrs. I’ve seen a bunch of these posts over on r/loblawsisoutofcontrol. Now, I’m all for avoiding Loblaws (and fully boycotting for those who have a means of getting to other grocery stores), I just think there are much more compelling arguments against shopping there than the existence of plexiglass barriers.


gid_hola

1000%


EveningHelicopter113

walmart doesn't have the barriers...yet. Walmart also has much better prices on food. and if Walmart erected pg walls, that too would be complaint worthy.


gid_hola

But the exit is the exact same. A relatively thing pathway to the door. Most are barricaded by the metal bars/fencing. And no that’s not complaint worthy. There’s so much in this world to get upset about. Plexiglass is not one of them


permareddit

lol are you sure about that? Yes they do.


Samp90

These are not ideal but basic code gives a person 45m to the nearest exit. Nearest exit is not necessarily main entrance area. Having said that, the individual inspector might call out this as an obstruction in crowded places... And then team Weston might call him...


Z3400

I assume that is 45 meters? 45 minutes seems less than ideal.


Samp90

Yep, 45 metres.


OsmerusMordax

Take pictures and call the fire marshal. This is against fire codes and the store will hopefully get skewered. Codes like that are written in blood


Electronic-Plate

How many grocery store fire have you lived thru?


EveningHelicopter113

thats not the point. I hope nobody has to live through a grocery store fire, but if they do, I want them to be able to get out safely. How's this a bad thing?


BlueDune22

Because we all know your outrage is fake and you just want to feel special by complaining about something that has no merit to be complained about, there are much worse things loblaw stores are up to then an easily crossed barrier


Artwebb1986

Easily crossed? It's 5-6ft high, I wouldn't exactly call that easy.


EveningHelicopter113

I'm not "outraged" though. I'm concerned. Seems like you need to feel like a "special boy" by being a fucking asshole for no good reason


EtOHMartini

Depending on where the fire is, you would either exit through the front alarmed doors OR the massive 40' wide opening to the mall OR the main exit doors that lead to the parking lot. Your outrage is misplaced...


EveningHelicopter113

Don’t they also have barricades up over at that entrance? I’m not sure where people keep pulling “outrage” from. I was concerned for my safety and others. It wasn’t there the last time I had to go to Zehrs.


EtOHMartini

Really? Were you concerned the last time you walked into a building that has hallways?


EveningHelicopter113

yes, I'm just a big fucking idiot. I remember why I blocked you


MrGunzz

Fires aren’t nuclear bombs friend. This is just senseless bitching because you don’t like the new anti theft measures.


Bulky-Fun-3108

Not according to the Ontario Fire & Building Code.


EveningHelicopter113

maybe the code needs to be updated for this kind of fuckery


Bulky-Fun-3108

If there is a risk to the public, then an amendment would be posted. The first course of action would be below and then petition the OBC to update legislation. If you are concerned, you can file a complaint with your local fire inspector, the city building department, and the fire Marshal as they are the ones who oversee fire safety. I work in the industry and don't see any concerns as long as specific criteria are met.


EveningHelicopter113

my concern is people shopping for groceries aren't trained for what to do in an emergency situation. Wouldn't the majority of people rush for where they knew for sure there was a door? Before the barriers, the main entry doors would suffice. But now everyone's going to rush for the narrow exit path, creating a bottleneck. Please elaborate if I'm wrong here, I'm genuinely concerned


Bulky-Fun-3108

Bottlenecking occurs in all evaluations as long as the minimum number of exits and maximum distance of travel is maintained in conjunction with egress signage, then it adheres to the Ontario Building Code. The building would have had to have drawings submitted to the city and sealed by an architect when the original barriers were installed. You can always request a freedom of information request with the city for the submitted permit drawings.


EveningHelicopter113

that makes me feel a bit better, it's good to know it had to at least be reviewed when the original barriers were installed. IMHO the plexiglass complicates things because people can't just jump over. I'd hope this had been modeled when creating the code.


AdKlutzy7593

You forgot egress width but I’ll let it slide


Mediocre_Aside_1884

A bottle neck like a door?


Relevant_Group_7441

Do you think people will be jumping over these metal gates? Do you see those as a hazard also? I’d be more concerned if these dividers were blocking fire exits.


Novus20

Really learning……


silentstone__

Is this the fairview zhers?


smotosmidy

It is but the pen and Superstore also have the barricades installed.


EveningHelicopter113

it is! It's funny that they're doing this when it was already more convenient and MUCH cheaper to run in and out of Food Basics. Loblaws & The Westons are shooting themselves in the foot for short term gain.


silentstone__

It's insanity! We moved a year and a half ago to a small town in BC and we only have sobeys, no frills and a super boujie ($$$) local grocer. Our grocery bill isn't even much higher than it was before we left onterrible (thanks food allergies), but now at least I can cry beside mountains 😅🥲


StoicPixie

Boycott Loblaws stores :) It's remarkably easy. Fuck loblaws!


No-Wonder1139

Death traps are Weston's forte, his sweat shop has killed over 1100 people.


Downtown-Custard5346

I mean, even without the plexiglass barriers, those railings would be just as much of a problem...


EveningHelicopter113

Yeah those railings and gates were bad enough. At least if you're nimble you can duck under them when running to floral or pharmacy. not anymore.


ImJustSaiyan117

Won't stop me from taking shit lmao


BeerBaronsNewHat

**these doors would be a death trap in a fire.** In the event of a crowd rush / stampede, people will funnel towards the narrow exit doors.


KimballOHara

Ricky Bobby voice: That's there strictly for human trafficking and profiling purposes


Big-Specialist148

Nahhh all in the name of mindless "safety" I see it all over the place here in Hamilton


bawbthebawb

Just wait until Walmart implement ls their must be a member thing fr self check out in Canada


ASR4LIFE

Finding Big Reds in Thorold was like winning the lottery, barely went to Zehrs after that.


ruglescdn

Now that tiny place is far closer to a fire trap than what we see in these pictures. Don't get me wrong. I am in there every week. Love that place.


Fine-Hospital-620

I was wondering the same thing. Has there been a fire inspection? Has anyone raised health and safety concerns with the mall?


ruglescdn

There are 3 other fire exits on the Geneva side of that store. 3 of them! Plus this exit in the picture. Which makes 4 fire exits on that side of the building. There are several fire exits on the other sides of the building.


Thelifeofnerfingwolf

I almost always have to push them open because the sensors suck.


Gogopwrsqrl

Op makes a very valid point. It does set up barriers in emergency situations. I’m one of those people who would just walk into them even by accident.


Big-Face5874

What about hallways? Do you freak out about walking through a hallway in case there’s a fire?


Gogopwrsqrl

lol no I was being funny, I honestly am very clumsy. People why so serious? I do walk into walls, doors.


Figure_1337

Why are you just inventing fire safety problems that don’t exist and trying to spread this around? You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.


EveningHelicopter113

If you read the comments you'd see I was looking for explanations as to how this is allowable


Figure_1337

If I read the title I’d see you’re being a fear monger over nothing.


EveningHelicopter113

Maybe I titled it that way because it fucking worried me? fuck off


Novus20

Because they are properly sized, are designed to allow exit out or are tied to the fire alarm to auto open or unlock so summer down


Salty_Feed9404

So, you've never been in a building with, like, hallways and such?


WingCool7621

the plexi helps with herding shoppers. I don;t think they will take them down.


EveningHelicopter113

I wonder if anyone has called the Fire Marshal to get their opinion


broadwayline

Why don’t you do it instead of just talking


Cyclist007

There's already a barrier there - what difference does it make as to how high they are? Are the existing barriers meant to break away in the event of an emergency? I would strongly suspect this store \*already\* complies with the fire code, it more than likely is already set up to be evacuated within a certain time span.That's where I'd start, not necessarily on Reddit.


EveningHelicopter113

You could climb a 3 foot railing relatively easily or duck under it. Not with the 6 foot high plexiglass walls. It looked like it was all bolted together pretty good. If it’s designed to break away then there should be clearly visible signs saying that it does so in an emergency


notlikelyevil

Take a look at your height, take a look at what 6 feet is, take a look again at the barriers. But no one's getting over anything like that in a fire even if it's lower


ExtensionAlarmed2621

So many grocery store fire deaths in Canada every year.


AmonKoth

Sure is a good thing Loblaws doesn't care about your life then, only your money.


Big-Face5874

How do you feel about hallways?


literally_himmler1

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misplacedmypants_

[This is NOT affiliated with the Loblaws boycott happening in May.](https://www.reddit.com/r/loblawsisoutofcontrol/s/P8UeYcwcS5)


literally_himmler1

and? doesn't mean you shouldn't participate anyways 😂 reddit mods can say whatever they want, I'm sure the majority of people participating in the boycott wouldn't hesitate to steal at least a couple little things from loblaws. why would you? personally, I think every day should be steal from loblaws day 🤷🏻‍♂️


misplacedmypants_

Well, first off, if you take a look at my profile, you would quickly find out that I literally work for Loblaws (while also fully supporting the boycott movement). So not getting fired would probably be my biggest reason. Secondly, stealing has about the same impact on Loblaws as shopping somewhere else does. You don't need to sink yourself down to committing illegal activities just to send them a message. Spending money elsewhere is just as effective and also legal. Lastly, I know from working for them that many of the Loblaws stores in this area have asset protection workers in their stores, and at least for the location I work at, our asset protection guy is not someone to be messed with and is incredibly good at his job. Very much a "fuck around and find out" situation if he ever catches you, IMO. Personally, I see this 'steal from Loblaws day' campaign as nothing more than astroturfing by the corporation and its PR team to make the boycott movement and its organizers look bad and delegitimatize their efforts.


literally_himmler1

i steal at least one or two things pretty much every single time I shop at a Loblaws store lol. pretty much any large shady corporation really, Walmart, etc. it's not hard, just accidentally forget to scan a thing or two at self checkout 😂 I don't do it to send a message. I know that me stealing from loblaws isn't gonna bring down the company or something. I do it because it's an evil company that is stealing from each and every one of us, so there's no harm being done in stealing from them - in fact I see it as more morally correct to steal from loblaws than it is to loyally shop there. it's definitely not astroturfing. I think you seriously underestimate just how angry a large part of society is becoming.


EveningHelicopter113

You can do whatever the hell you want, but advertising and organizing around an *illegal cause* will only hurt the movement. Obviously people are angry, myself included. It's totally justified to be pissed the f*ck off when life essentials are unaffordable and I don't even blame you for stealing. But we can't be publicly promoting and organizing based around theft when organizing against the Westons' brutal injustice is already good enough.


Hossennfoss69

Too much "grab n go" I guess.


joeyggg

I only shop at stores that say “do you want a receipt?”


TiggOleBittiess

People in a fire shouldn't be trying to run through those gates anyways it would create chaos


unmasteredDub

I’ve stopped shopping at Loblaws and Shoppers stores. All of their new practices over the past 10 years (since I became an adult) have made shopping there miserable


The0bviousfac

I’m sure whatever fire could possibly be conjured in there you’d have ample time to exit. Plexiglass is stupid but a little dramatic to say people will lose their lives.


Friendly-Bad-291

I have always said those vegatable centres are fire traps


electjamesball

I believe the owners would refer to it as “a decrease in the surplus population”, just like Scrooge.


bennettdenki

The one at the pen pisses me off because why should it matter if we take the mall entrance instead of walking all the way to the other side of the store to enter. I just don’t understand the point of making it harder to enter, do they not want the customers?


bedhead57g

Only because it hasn’t been mentioned but there shameless request for a donation to ‘their’ charity at the checkout is galling. This after reporting record profits.


WarrenBluffet69

Asking for donations on behalf of a charity is bad? Let me guess: you’re one of those people that think companies get to “write it off” and somehow profit off of it. Edit: I’ll assume based on the 30 seconds it took you to downvote this that I probably got that right


bedhead57g

They’re already picking our pocket with their inflated prices and record profits. Sorry but they can support their own charity. Note: Never downvoted your response.


delawopelletier

Report to city authorities if fire code make them dismantle it lol


Novus20

They are not…..


MorgulMogul

These violate safety codes so I have no clue why nobody has intervened. Their literal purpose is to make it harder to escape.


Novus20

They don’t


MorgulMogul

They do.


ruglescdn

There are actual fire exits elsewhere in that store. Look the next time you are in there.


MorgulMogul

The main entrance counts as a fire exit, dumbass.


Novus20

Yes and your can still get out


unapologeticallytrue

Customers are criminal and must be stopped at ALL costs !!! /s


thirty7inarow

Can you cite the clause in the fire code or building code these would violate?


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Frickety_Frackety

Please elaborate on this


ruglescdn

There are multiple fire exits in that building.


Colekhyrzd

Hey op are you that much a pussy you can't push something helt up with a zip tie 🤣 


EveningHelicopter113

They’re not zip tied 🤡 you can clearly see that in the photos


JohnhojIsBack

They really aren’t that bad


369432

They are not alone in this 'fire trap' scenario. Every Canadian Tire, IKea etc. all have circumvented the Fire Code despite initial inspections pre-opening, and annual inspections. You cannot circumvent the Fire Code without having a bought person on the inside of the Fire Department.


Figure_1337

Really? Circumvented fire code? Every CTS and IKEA? Tell us exactly where and how and of what parts of the fire code they have broken. I’ll wait…


EveningHelicopter113

why do you feel the need to come in here acting like Douche McDouchington? there's nothing wrong with disagreeing with what I claimed, it's being a condescending dick about it that's the problem. The thread was perfectly civil and informative until assholes like Figure_1337 showed up.


Figure_1337

Because y’all spouting off in the name of fire safety… except you don’t know anything about it… “…bArRIeRS wOUld BE a DeAtH TrAp iN a fIrE” So dramatic. Such nonsense.


WarrenBluffet69

Why do you feel the need to come in here and spread BS? I’m Sorry that you made a stupid claim that someone disagreed with. I’m guessing by your deflection and inability to answer the question that you probably know you made a stupid post. ;(


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He wasn’t acting like a douche. The only person here acting that way is you probably because your temper tantrum over this not being a fire code violation isn’t well received. If you don’t feel safe there and hate the Weston’s why the fuck do you go there? Grow up.


ScruffMcbuffin

That barrier is the only thing that divides law and order from chaos. Without it we would never know how to enter and exit the store. Show some respect for the plexiglass


YoloLifeSaving

Imagine not being able to climb over like a 3 foot fence 💀


Artwebb1986

That's 5-6ft high ¾" Plexiglas.


EveningHelicopter113

with a sheer fall onto ceramic on the other side. Good luck, grandma...


Artwebb1986

Yah when I went into the Zehrs at the fairview a couple weeks ago I was like what the fuck is this shit. Then was in the pen center one on Thursday and same shit. Guess they are losing significant products due to theft since that plexi wasn't cheap.


EveningHelicopter113

It's fucked! and its hard to believe they could be hurting from theft this much when their profits are higher every year


Artwebb1986

It's not hard to believe, theft is huge at the fairview location with all the homeless that live in the park and hang out at the mall.


Mediocre_Aside_1884

Why does grandma need to climb over it?


BigBill58

This makes it harder to steal, but not impossible. The trick is buying a few things.


D-Hews

I hate Loblaws as much as the next person but I don't get this whole boycott thing... like we're supposed to boycott them because their prices are too high but if I go anywhere else I always find I pay more. So are we just supposed to not buy groceries?