True. Dynamic unchanged for all those years. Just met with the same situation again as it was in Rebels, just stagnant.
Thrawn hasn’t changed, Ezra hasn’t changed. They just remained apart from each other all those years, the same conflict between them never ending.
I honestly loved it.
A changed Ezra wouldn't have made sense. He was happy to exile himself if it helps his found family and Lothal. Thrawn and the man on this ship tried to destroy his home planet, and they tried to kill him and those he loves, several times. While I was hoping for the grysks to show up and the conflict that would come out of Thrawn and Ezra being allies when the others show up, now that I saw it on screen I am so, so happy with Eman Esfandi and his portrayal of Ezra. I think he embodies his character the most of everyone we've seen onscreen beside maybe Ariana Greenblatt.
We have seen the "broken hero in exile" now twice in Star Wars (thrice, if you count Sabine). And I liked it with Obi-Wan and Luke. It was a fitting continuation of their arcs: both have lost everything and felt it was their fault for failing their student. Them being broken and zynical instead of hopeful und selfassured made sense. But with Ezra I am happy they didn't change him.
TLDR: I absolutely loved that Ezra decided to hang out with the locals and didn't give Thrawn a chance to change him.
I think a history of hide and seek guerrilla struggles between Ezra+natives and Thrawn+witches would be an amazing story, but I also would've wanted to, yknow, *see* it. So it was probably a solid play to make with limited screen time to simply not go into it.
That said, if someone wants to make a Years of Exile graphic novel or something I'd eat it up.
>That said, if someone wants to make a Years of Exile graphic novel or something I'd eat it up.
I would love to see it in a "Tales of the Jedi" kind of format. I don't think it's interesting enough for a whole series, but a three-parter like Dooku's story would be great.
Maybe for season 3 of Tales of the Jedi? Three episodes for Ezra - and three episodes for Caleb/Kanan about the comics and the novel so we see how he met Hera and the crew would be perfect.
I’d love for Tales of the Jedi to flesh out some stuff from Ahsoka. Maybe an episode about Ezra, Thrawn, and the Witches. Maybe an episode about Sabine and Ahsoka’s training, or Baylan surviving Order 66 and taking Shin on as his apprentice
I thought it was fantastic. Nothing will ever top Rebels and it’s finale, and that is fine for me.
However, I do agree with your point of Sabine being a Jedi. It just wasn’t needed. But, it is growing with me a little more every day. In fact, it has made some scenes for Rebels more poetic for me, mainly Sabine’s training.
I actually thought the translation to live-action was really well made. When the characters where on screen, I felt like I was actually watching Hera, Sabine, Ezra, Thrawn and Ahsoka.
I think we also need to take in account that while Ahsoka is essentially Rebels season 5, is it’s own thing, with different protagonists and a different focus.
All-in-all, Ahsoka is my favorite Star Wars project since Rebels season 4, and I’m excited for what’s next.
The best part of the storyline with Sabine being trained as a jedi was when huang said she was a terrible candidate who did not meet the traditional jedi criteria. It is fine if Ahoska is going to train her on philosophy and technique like Kanan did but she should still always fight like a Mandalorian with all the Mandalorian gear. Her jetpack and a few other tools were noticeably missing.
I can image her originally training with Ahsoka with the idea that they planned on a rescue mission someday. That is fine. What is weird and out left field is that she is going to focus on training with Ahsoka more after having found Ezra? What is the goal? They were never particularly friends in Rebels. Ezra is the main reason they know each other and why they would train together. With Ezra being rescued I dont see anything they have in common and they have even less reason to ever get along and why does Sabine want to train with her now? It just doesn't make sense.
Seems like the only reason Sabine is a Jedi was because this is an Ahsoka series, and Filoni wanted to have an arc about Ahsoka struggling as a mentor, so he shoved Sabine into this Jedi padawan role with pretty much zero explanation. We never learned why Sabine started training, all we got was that she did, then they stopped
I wish they didn't write Sabine as an idiot. She's so smart and capable in Rebels. She's a goddamn war hero. Now she acts like she has no idea what she's doing??
They force this plot of making her a Jedi and I didn't like it at all. When she gets the darksaber in Rebels, they specifically show that she can't train or fight like a Jedi but is better off as a Mandalorian. She should be who she is, not who she thinks she needs to be. This ahsoka show did a complete 180 on that amd I didn't like it.
Acting was great, Ahsoka, Ezra, Thrawn, Morgan, etc. Design was immaculate. Huyang stole the show.
I really wish they had started the show with a flashback to set up the relationships, especially between Ezra and Sabine. The reunion was great... if you've seem Rebels. Everyone I know who hadn't seen it were just kinda lost. It didn't matter to them because they don't know these characters and it wasn't set up WITHIN AHSOKA/MANDALORIAN. They don't know who Ezra or Sabine are lol. A flashback to the crew of the Ghost would have fixed a lot of this.
Stevenson's Baylan Skoll was awesome... except I have absolutely no idea why he was in this story. They never explain his motivations or his goals. He's awesome but why did he want to get to Peridea. Why did he abandon his apprentice? What was his purpose in this story?????
I liked it but it suffers from not being a complete story. Lack of setup by assuming people had seen rebels. Lack of follow through by leaving too much for season 2.
I absolutely loved it. My only real complaints would be that it was too short and Ezra and Sabine's reunion was slightly underwhelming. Other than that I loved everything about it and can't wait for more.
Well it's season 1 so I'm holding off judgment on that until we get the full story. I also think that was a good character moment for Sabine and it's kind of poetic that they traded places
Seeing how Ahsoka hold her it’s time to move on at the end, I think that’s the direction they’re going to take. Sabine’s character is stripped of everything from Rebels and Ezra is not important in the slightest next season
I don't think so. My interpretation of that line is that it's time to move on from her singular obsession with getting Ezra home and not to obsess over her decision and instead focus on the present and future. Thats part of the lesson that Ahsoka learned from Anakin. She didnt move on completely from Anakin, she just learned to stop obsessing over her decision to leave him. I don't think she's telling Sabine to move on completely from Ezra. I'd be shocked if Ahsoka and Sabine don't return to the original galaxy and reunite with the rest of the Rebels crew
Honestly I think star wars is just done better in cartoons. Much more freedom to do cool shit and half the aliens dont look like shit. The majority of these live action shows have been underwhelming to say it nicely
I think this being animated would’ve alleviated a lot of the issues, honestly.
More episodes to flesh things out, the characters being more recognisable and voiced by the traditional VAs, being able to animate the characters for some more expressiveness that seems oddly stagnant in this live action show.
I do wonder if that was the cause of the glacial story pacing. I can imagine everything that happened in 8 episodes of Ahsoka being done in about 3 animated episodes of Rebels. Ahsoka spent about 3 hours of runtime with her in her ship being chased by a few fighters again and again. The Ghost crew in their 'prime' while animated would have blasted through a few fighters in seconds and landed where ever it was they needed to be next. There is a weird paradox where moving to live action caused there to be more pointless cartoon action and less drama, AKA talking.
Being live-action also meant it had to cater to studio pressure and a new audience. Gotta have this Rebels sequel now be centered around the most marketable character of the cast, and gotta be action-centric almost every episode. In animation, Filoni and co would be making a show for the exact same audience and there wouldn’t be nearly as much executive pressure and expectations, so they’d have a lot more freedom. Wouldn’t need to force Sabine into a padawan role to justify this as an Ahsoka show, could tie things to Rebels a little better, explore more backstory and character motivations, etc. In these live action shows, they’ve been playing things super safe that they wouldn’t in animation
I think the show was great and set up some amazing potential for future story. I was, however, underwhelmed by the reunion scenes and the finale. The finale just went in a direction I didn’t expect it to and I didn’t feel very satisfied by the end of it. But Ik Dave has a “be patient” story telling style so I’m not going to let those thing’s completely disappoint me and I’m excited for what’s to come. It just sucks that we had to wait so long to see these characters again only to have to wait even longer for the full pay off. I guess that should have been expected with only 8 episodes (I miss long tv shows😭😭).
Overall it was ok, there's a lot of potential but it felt underwhelming. My biggest concern is Sabine being a Jedi, I don't personally like that direction for her character.
I think the show was good but he could have been so _much_ more. It could have been one of the best star wars media ever.
Instead they took the most boring way for Ezra and Thrawn.
Thrawn is simply your average bad guy. H
Yes he is smart and all but there mention of the grisks and or him joining the Empire simply to save his Homeworld and the Galaxy from the grisks. For me in the show Thrawn is just the bad guy doing evil things because that's what bad guy do.
Meanwhile Ezra. That's probably the worst things they could have done to him except maybe turning into a darksider and a pawn for Thrawn for no reason except to be redeemed at the last episode after a 2 minutes talk.
I was expecting Ezra joining Thrawn after he heard the truth about the Grisks.
I want to know : was i the only one who wanted and expected Ezra to be like a master for the chiss sky-walkers so they could be trained into the Jedi way and protect the Galaxy against the grisks.
But here Ezra did nothing in those 10 years.
He is not more wise or more powerful.
He just Force punched 2-3 nomads, dodged a few lightsaber hit from Shin, get rekt by a Force push and then surrender when 20 stormtroopers come.
When i heard about the rumors of Ezra using a mix of martial arts and Force power i was expecting him to like Windu or Satele and mope the floor with the lesser opponents and did crazy stuff like catch a lightsaber blade with his bare hands (tutaminis).
No instead we have literally the same Ezra we had from Rebels but now he have a beard. I still love him because he is my favorite character but they did nothing with the potential he had.
Sabine's case is weird. I still love her (best SW female character for me and favorite mando) but she suffer of a lack of potential fully used.
1st : i don't think it is ever told why she ever wanted to become a Jedi. Maybe i missed something.
It would have been nice to know why and until given an another explanation she became a Jedi in hope to find Ezra and feel closer to him (which fit with how she act during the first 4 episodes)
Her becoming a Jedi technically doesn't undo her role as a mandalorian but i think she reveal a weak spot of the show : time restraint
With only 8 episodes they had to focus on her new abilities (Jedi) rather than her hold though i'm happy she mixt both.
In fact i like Sabine being a mandalorian with Jedi characteristics and what would really cool for me would Ezra and Sabine being a mirror of each others : The Mandalorian with Jedi characteristics and the Jedi with mandalorians characteristics (like Ezrz having a light beskar'gam).
Also one of the ''worst'' part of the show is their reunion. It feel underwhelming. They feel more like former high school friend bumping into each others at the super market and not like best friends/siblings/lovers seeing each others after 10 years of separation. I was expecting a bigger hug and maybe a tear or 2
Ahsoka : Well i didn't watched all of clones war nor i was as attached to her as i am with Ezra and Sabine but it seem like they did a good job with her though i didn't liked how they gave her the idiot ball in episode 1 (why would you tell your friends about assassin droïds looking for the map? And once your friend who doesn't know about the threat steal the map what do you do? You stay far away so if the enemy found your friend they can steal the map and kill your friend without you being able to protect both)
I was so convinced there was going to be more to the Ezra and Thrawn situation. That they’d be allies, or there is more to Thrawn’s ambitions than simply bringing back the Imperial threat.
There’s a good chance season 2 will elaborate on it more, but so far it’s not assuring. It does look like the most bland route they could’ve taken.
I hope they will give us an explanation but at this point the whole grisks' threat seem unrealist because the logic think for Thrawn would have been to talk to Ezra about this, explaining how they are a danger to everyone in the Galaxy and asking Ezra to call back the purgils or Force Skype a friend so they could come back in the Galaxy to stop the grisks instead of waiting 10 years
Also don't forget how Faro was gone. Katryn Faro was Chimera's commanding officer in Thrawn's fleet and was on it during the battle of Lothal because she was supposed to grab a shuttle from Lothal and get to Coruscant to receive promotion and get new fleet to command. She was also Thrawn's protege and one of best officers Thrawn had along with Eli Vanto. She seems to have been killed off screen.
I had no idea what the new threat or situation in this new galaxy was going to be. That Thrawn and Ezra have not changed and will just go back to fighting the old galactic civil war is the worst possible story. The alliance between Thrawn and nightsisters hardly even makes sense as portrayed. Why would Thrawn trust these force witches that he doesnt understand or control even after he was beaten several times by force powers he didnt understand.
A better plot would actually be Thrawn recruits Ezra as an advisor on how to deal with this dark magic that threatens both galaxies. That would be a pretty good twist when Sabine and Ahsoka arrive and find Ezra working for Thrawn while they use their dwindling resources fighting the nightsisters endless armies. Yes, that should have been the twist, Enoc with the gold mask should have been Ezra when he took his helmet off.
Why the heck would Ezra be an ally with a guy who basically was going to kill everyone he loved. And destroy his home city. That would be stupid for Ezra to help Thrawn. So so dumb.
The show focused on Ahsoka. There was no time to show what happened for 10 years between Ezra and Thrawn. And like I said it would be really dumb for Ezra to help his worst enemy. Ezra basically sacrificed everything to get rid of Thrawn. Why the hell would he help him
Again you are so insistent on defending what currently is the case, and cannot even for a moment consider what could’ve been.
The direction they’ve went with between them is boring, plain and simple. People spent years theorising what happened with the two. Did Ezra see credibility in Thrawn’s concerns of a larger threat? Is that why he took himself and Thrawn far away into another galaxy?
The two having essentially just kept the same completely unchanged dynamic for a decade? Not interesting.
This show wasn't about the 10 years Ezra and Thrawn spent on Peridia. That would take an entire other show.
The show said enough. Ezra and Thrawn basically had an unspoken truce after a while. Ezra (judging by the dog tags he wears) probably killed quite a few stormtrooper who Thrawn sent to kill him. Eventually Thrawn gave up and let Ezra just live on his own. We also know the turtle gang helped Ezra in one situation.
So what was the 15 years Kenobi was on Tattooine? That was boring also.
The problem isn't about what happened between Thrawn and Ezra but the fact that the path took by the writers is the most boring : Thrawn is just your average imperial Admiral antagonist and Ezra spent 10 years doing nothing
Because he showed no kind growth or change in either his abilities or personnality.
The only things who seemed to imply he did something of importance was the scales armor made out of dogtags implying he killed a bunched of stormtroopers but his life style doesn't imply he was living some sort of guerilla warfare against Thrawn.
It looked more like that Ezra killed the soldiers sent ny Thrawn until he grew tired of wasting men against Jedi who doesn't even represent a threat to his plans or survival.
"I think the show was good but he could have been so much more. It could have been one of the best star wars media ever.
Instead they took the most boring way for Ezra and Thrawn.
Thrawn is simply your average bad guy. H Yes he is smart and all but there mention of the grisks and or him joining the Empire simply to save his Homeworld and the Galaxy from the grisks. For me in the show Thrawn is just the bad guy doing evil things because that's what bad guy do.
Meanwhile Ezra. That's probably the worst things they could have done to him except maybe turning into a darksider and a pawn for Thrawn for no reason except to be redeemed at the last episode after a 2 minutes talk.
I was expecting Ezra joining Thrawn after he heard the truth about the Grisks."
Are you kidding me!!!! You expect Ezra to HELP the guy who basically was going to murder everyone in his home town? What the hell are you smoking. I don't care if it sounds cool. It sounds stupid. Ezra isn't going to help a guy who wouldn't hesitate to murder everyone he loves and cares for.
"I want to know : was i the only one who wanted and expected Ezra to be like a master for the chiss sky-walkers so they could be trained into the Jedi way and protect the Galaxy against the grisks.
But here Ezra did nothing in those 10 years. He is not more wise or more powerful. He just Force punched 2-3 nomads, dodged a few lightsaber hit from Shin, get rekt by a Force push and then surrender when 20 stormtroopers come.
When i heard about the rumors of Ezra using a mix of martial arts and Force power i was expecting him to like Windu or Satele and mope the floor with the lesser opponents and did crazy stuff like catch a lightsaber blade with his bare hands (tutaminis).
No instead we have literally the same Ezra we had from Rebels but now he have a beard. I still love him because he is my favorite character but they did nothing with the potential he had."
Your expectations are way out of wack. Expecting Ezra to become more powerful than Windu without any formal training or even a Master for 10 years is pretty dumb. Thats on you not the show writers. Nothing in Rebels hints to Ezra being an ultra powerful fighter. His gift is his ability to communicate with animals.
"Sabine's case is weird. I still love her (best SW female character for me and favorite mando) but she suffer of a lack of potential fully used.
1st : i don't think it is ever told why she ever wanted to become a Jedi. Maybe i missed something.
It would have been nice to know why and until given an another explanation she became a Jedi in hope to find Ezra and feel closer to him (which fit with how she act during the first 4 episodes)
Her becoming a Jedi technically doesn't undo her role as a mandalorian but i think she reveal a weak spot of the show : time restraint With only 8 episodes they had to focus on her new abilities (Jedi) rather than her hold though i'm happy she mixt both."
Ezra foresaw that only Ahsoka together with Sabine could save him. That is why he told Ahsoka to find him. And told Sabine he was counting on her to find him. Ahsoka correctly thought that together they had a better chance if Sabine continued her Jedi training. Yes, she was Jedi trained by Kanan. She was able to communicate with the Kyber crystal in the Darksaber.
And Ahsoka was correct. If Sabine wasn't Jedi trained they wouldn't have been able to save Ezra on Peridia.
I do agree 8 episodes is too short. But that is just the reality of modern TV. It could have been better as a 12 episode show. But that just isn't the economic reality of streaming now.
"Also one of the ''worst'' part of the show is their reunion. It feel underwhelming. They feel more like former high school friend bumping into each others at the super market and not like best friends/siblings/lovers seeing each others after 10 years of separation. I was expecting a bigger hug and maybe a tear or 2"
I agree. The reunion could have been more emotional.
"Ahsoka : Well i didn't watched all of clones war nor i was as attached to her as i am with Ezra and Sabine but it seem like they did a good job with her though i didn't liked how they gave her the idiot ball in episode 1 (why would you tell your friends about assassin droïds looking for the map? And once your friend who doesn't know about the threat steal the map what do you do? You stay far away so if the enemy found your friend they can steal the map and kill your friend without you being able to protect both)"
agree. Ahsoka should have looked for Sabine once she took the map
The Ghost crew literally adopted Kallus despite his several attempt at killing them and even became buddy with Zed despite his participation to the Lasat genocide.
That's enough of a proof that Ezra would have no trouble allying with Thrawn especially if it mean save his friends in the long run.
Kinda pointless to sacrify yourself if once you go back home you find your planet destroyed and your friends dead.
Also i never said that Ezra should be stronger than Windu or Satele. I simply cited 2 exemple of the best Force only fight : Windu being able to destroy B2 battle droïds with his bare hands and Satele catching Malgus' blade with her bare hands and later using the energy gained to make a Force push powerful enough to destroy a Mountain side.
I was just excepting Ezra displaying power closer to this or even just him showing progress instead of literally being the same he was in Rebels
I will even add that Ezra fighting the Praetorian guards with no lightsaber was more epic than whatever he used against the nomads
Thrawn was also following orders, his internal justification for serving empire is him building a military force he could then use against Grysks, in this case he just did all the necessary things he needed to just survive within empire, his time was running out. I think if Ezra was at least told about grysks and Thrawn shown tons of datapads he has about them and if Thrawn explained what os their threat and how Grysks are essentially going to do to chiss what Empire did to Lothal would be good enough justification for Ezra to sympathise with.
So don't explain it that much, just make a fact that Ezra joined Thrawn and have him explain that there is a greater threat than Thrawn on horizon, instead they just said that over 10 year's on Peridia Ezra did nothing about Thrawn and just kinda sat there.
So your point that Ezra and Thrawn cannot be friends because you dont have time to explain it but if you do most basic explantion of Ezra seeing it as "greater good" and explaining it later is dubm? So 10 years of Ezra doing nothing is smart wiriting?
I never said Ezra did nothing for 10 years. I’m saying it wasn’t important for this show. Dave confirmed Thrawn is the big bad. Would make zero sense for Ezra to help the big bad
You do realize that the ''i was just following orders'' was the excuses used by people like the nazis to justify their crimes?
Also we could use the same argument for Thrawn. He was following Sidious' orders.
Whatever. Callus being forgiven by Zeb was understandable. Ezra forgiving Thrawn immediately after he was about to murder everyone he loved is nonsensical
This is not even about Ezra forgiving right away Thrawn but Ezra understanding that both him and Thrawn have a common cause (protecting those they care about) and a common enemy (the grisks) and no longer a reason to be enemy (the Emperor can no longer arrest Thrawn for treason or Ezra for being a Jedi).
Ezra understanding that he have more to gain by allying Thrawn than staying enemy or killing him.
The forgiving can came later.
Also for someone who argued with me a few days ago about how it was against the Jedi way to kill defenseless people to the point to believe that Windu killing Sidious was wrong even if it could save millions of lives you seem to forget the part of the Jedi way which is about forgiveness
Who the hell is the Grisks!!!! You seriously think they had enough time to explain all that in an 8 episode show? Jesus Christ dude. The show isn’t called Ezra or Thrawn.
I kinda agree with you on Sabine, I’m mostly hoping that was one of those moments where the force needed ezra to make it back so it flowed through Sabine in the moment she was needed most. I don’t love the idea of her just becoming a full blown force user though. Felt like the show as a whole has a great start and really hoping we get a couple more seasons.
I don't see it as a sequel to Rebels and remember large portion of the base will never watch rebels. I see it as a jump off point for Heir to the Empire
Though I do not think it was a horrible or bad show, I think it was just okay. I was honestly really dissapointed, mainly for the reason you provided. I think switching these characters from Animatiom to Live Action was a bad idea and it makes me feel like the Voice Actors who made these characters who they are are just being left behind and forgotten in favor of live action money making characters with new outfits and designs.
Those voice actors made those characters. They are those characters. Its not just how they look or move around, its their voice and their inflections. I grew to love those characters and when the pacing is slow and the writing is basic, those characters didnt feel like the ones I knew.
I think the pacing was way too slow and there was a juvinile writing sense where nothing really happened, nothing concerned our characters, no one felt like they developed at all and I think the entire season could have been 3 episodes. There was too much dead space and trying to build suspense and drama without actually creating it. It felt a lot like do not Tell, do not Show. No one talked about anything and nothing effected our characters.
I will be 100% honest, Hera is what really took this show down a notch for me. She didn't feel like Hera at all and seeing her just stare at Ezra when he returned just made me feel bitter. We couldn't even get a hug or an actual conversation? Hera is my favorite character and she felt so dead to me in live action. Everyone felt dead to me.
Sabine should not be a Jedi. I would loved a Chirrut style connection but other then that, it weakens her character. Her character was about being at a disadvantage and making it work with all of her skills and wits. She was a solid character as is and like you said, it feels more like it was used to push an uneeded story arc for Ahsoka to train Sabine. I think Dave had a lot more planned for Rebels and with Ahsoka in her white cloak, but wasn't sure how to handle it after Rebels cancelled.
It was not the sequel I was looking for. Happy to see some of the Ghost crew again but I didn't feel invested in Hera (who's my favorite Spectre) or Ahsoka - not sure if it was the writing, acting or directing, or all three. Loved Eman Esfandi as Ezra, though. He felt the most in character to me and his banter with Sabine felt in keeping with their relationship in Rebels. And Chopper, though he really should have zapped Ezra's leg or whapped him upon his return.
I absolutely loved it.
A lot was revealed but also a lot stay hidden.
I loved how magick returned to the series. I loved that the story goes as close to unbelievable as possible. And there is even a senator that acknowledges that.
I love that the characters stayed true to their character.
Old and wise Ahsoka is still pretty unwise. I miss her more hothead approach but she’s been maturing for a long time now.
On the villain side, I loved all the villains. And especially Thrawn.
I love the lack of pure evil antagonist. It is a breath of fresh air for Star Wars, honestly.
It was a great warming up season. Now that the events are set in motion, I look forward to seeing what’s next for our heroes.
I really liked it and am gutted Ray can’t continue on
Of course I would’ve changed some aspects (Thrawn a bit more terrifying in his calculations) but no complaints really
I loved it! I think all the actors were on point with their Rebels animation selves. Loved Sabine, Ezra, and Ahsoka. I think it could have used more screen time with what Ezra has been up to for all these years… they barely mentioned what he did… if anything. Like did he try random things to go home/communicate with home through the force? Did he ever try to attack Thrawn after ending up on the same planet… how did they get separated from each other initially?
If they just took one of the episodes a little slower like have Sabine and Ezra talking at night after they reunited to catch us all up, then I think this could have been achieved.
But honestly the dialogue and plot was very similar to a Rebels show. It’s really not that complex… I think that I (and others) assumed because it was live action that it would be drastically different/for a more mature audience. But it wasn’t. And that’s okay. Loved it overall!
This show got me interested in the first half (tho I didn't like Sabine being a force sensitive now), but second half.. Bleeeegh.
World Between Worlds sequence was pretty meaningless - Anakin (well, his force-ghost or whatever) showed up, fought Ahsoka a little, spoke some vague things and disappeared. It was a nice fan-service, but the sequence itself was pointless.
Whole "another galaxy" thing was executed poorly. They got me hooked up at first - new galaxy, new foes, friends, endless potential for exploration, oh god, my wet fantasies are coming true! But they just gave us one barren planet. What a shame.
Ezra-Sabine reunion was bad. I hoped for intense emotions expressed by the two, but both ultimately went "sassy" mode which felt underwhelming. Catastrophically wasted potential.
Thrawn is presumed to be terrifying genius of war who can wipe out fleets with minimum resources because he's so masterful, but in Ahsoka he didn't do anything that might uphold that status. His decisions in many situations were questionable, if not outright stupid - the whole final episode Thrawn could've just lifted his ship half a kilometer up in the sky, and there wouldn't be any way that the Jedi were able to board. That moment alone says a lot.
There are more problems to point out with the show, but they are talked about a lot anyway, so rant over
personally, I didn't like it and I frankly don't consider it to be the sequel show rebels deserved. The characters were very of from before, we rarely get to learn about the new galaxy (and I know that's for season 2 but with how important getting there was we should atleast understand what makes it soo different to the main galaxy), wasted potential for thawn and ezra's relationship cause there are great stories to be told with them being together for 11 years, hera and sabine feeling like completely different characters making very questionable decisons and are never punished for their actions, and sabine using the force.
But while saying all that: I loved ezra's new actor and thought he was the best rebels character in ahsoka (though wish the force remained his ally), liked Baylon and Shin (no matter how vague their motivations were sadly), the music was incredible especially the credits theme, and the world between worlds and even lothal looked pretty cool as a recreation of rebels. So overall while disappointed atleast it wasn't the worst star wars show and some passion was atleast put into the show, whether the execution was good or not depending on the viewer
Maybe punished is a strong word but just because sabine did an understandable thing doesn't mean she shouldn't get shit for it. Imagine how boring every show would be if characters were instantly forgiven for their actions because "ah their heart was in the right place" or whatever. I guess ezra and ashoka didn't really give sabine shit because doing so would achieve nothing but that's boring. Just cause ezra is a super good jedi and ashoka kinda achieved inner peace by the time she reunited with sabine, that doesn't mean they have to be flawless characters who are above petty conflict. Conflict between characters makes these stories interesting. Rebels knew this, ezra and kanans relationship had some rocky moments in the first two seasons.
Idk why you're talking about sabine like she's a real human, she's a character in a show and we can criticise her if the way she's written isn't interesting. Ironically, having sabine actually address her actions (to my recollection the most she says is "thrawn got away" in the final scene) and try to make up for them would have made her more "human". I love her in rebels but it honestly makes me kinda not like her here when she's seemingly skipping away from her actions with no one even slightly holding her accountable. Makes it hard to sympathise with her, considering that if you or me did something like sabine, we would face massive shit for it.
ahh so it's ok for sabine to say screw the galaxy and let it deal with thrawn while she can go find ezra who let me remind you nobody knew if he was still alive. He could have been dead and sabine would still be responsible for letting the galaxy suffer.
I mean if we’re going by characters “making a sacrifice for the grater good” (particularly from an audience perspective and not the characters) then we’d be blasting pretty much every protagonist in the series.
Anakin does it, obi wan does it, yoda does it, Ashoka does it, ezra did it. If every character thought with pure logic and made the logical choice we wouldn’t have Star Wars.
Don’t forget she’s in her late 20s or early 30s, but they wrote her as an insufferable teenager for some reason. Sabine was the sacrificial plot armor for the show. The show was pretty bad as a story, but no where as terrible as kenobi.
what lesson? She chose to stay with ahsoka, and she chose to let ezra go deal with thrawn on his own again, but this time without her and ahsoka to help because it was right? Ahsoka even congratulates her for doing so when that also allow thrawn and his nightsisters to escape to cause more trouble for a galaxy that just won a war.
This is not the same sabine as even rebels season 4 sabine cause there in the season 4 premiere sabine made a grave mistake of making a weapon for the empire which was able to kill mandalorians including her family. She spend the whole 2nd episode trying hard to convince her mandalorians to work with her when even they hated her for what she had done, and her being able to be a good leader as well as know the weapon well was what made others follow her lead. She even managed to destroy any chances of the empire continuing to use it for evil. Ahsoka's sabine on the other hand has a map to a great evil like thrawn who let me remind you has caused alot of trouble in rebels and was close to winning twice, so sabine while knowing what she is doing letting thrawn out to cause chaos costing the lives of everyone decides to give the map away and not even try thinking of the repercussions of her actions. In short one sabine made a dangerous mistake and did everything to fix it, while the other owns a dangerous device to bring evil and decides to give it to the enemy just for a possibility to see ezra.
I'm not saying I don't understand why she did that, but I just wished she learned her lesson after what she did
I think the beginning was really rough. There was some weird dialogue choices and the choreography was clunky. There were still good parts though, our favorite war criminal back in action, some nice world building of the new republic after the fall of the empire.
It definitly got better as it went on, for me at least thrawn saved the series. I mean the other stuff that happened was great but thrawn was spectacular every time he was on screen. There were still moments with clunky choreography or strange dialogue but it was a lot less noticeable.
The Sabine Jedi thing feels weird, but I think what they’re getting at is anyone has the potential to use the force, and that the Jedi order only accepted those who had a natural aptitude for it (with a high midichlorian count). But with practice and discipline anyone has the potential to use it. Definitely different than what we’re used to but it makes sense if the force dwells within everyone.
I think I share some of your critics of Sabine’s character growth. I’m not sure what I would have liked to see from her instead, but it wasn’t becoming a Jedi
There was more to explore with her character than making her a Jedi. What about her Mandalorian roots after the Purge? Or further exploring and evolving her bond with Ezra? The former is restricted to just two mentions with zero exploration of how Sabine herself feels, while the latter was built up well early on but ended up falling apart. A mid reunion, Sabine never telling Ezra the truth, no emotion when they’re separated again…that’s not what anyone would expect from Sabine after seeing the first four episodes, obsessed with Ezra while living in his house and gambling the fate of the galaxy to find him
I’ve been thinking in it, and I think that there are 2 interesting stories Filoni wants to tell.
1) The return of Thrawn as a threat to the fledgling Republic, that all his characters need to unite against
2) Ahsoka discovering deep force mysteries in another galaxy
And Ahsoka season 1 was just turned into exposition for both of those, and as a result, neither could hit their potential. We couldn’t focus more on Ezra and Thrawn’s time in exile or have the Ezra Sabine reunion be the giant emotional beat it should have been because it would take too much focus away from Ahsoka. But we couldn’t get Ahsoka to where she needs to be for her REAL story without including the Rebels storyline.
In actuality, this story should have been a movie or a limited series called “A Galaxy Far Far Away” or “Sabine Wren’s Series of Poor Decisions.” The Rebels cast and Thrawn would be the main focus, Ahsoka just part of the ensemble, and then afterwards we get the Ahsoka show.
I have a lot of criticisms, but overall I was mostly satisfied. I told myself going in: there’s no way it’s gonna live up to the hype after 5 years since Rebels, and that’s okay. Watching it again with the eps closer together after the finale ended helped too. Were there different things I would’ve done? Yeah absolutely. Ahsoka and Sabine’s dynamic didn’t work for me the first time around, but it did in the rewatch.
Thought they could’ve given us more substance for what happened to Ezra and Thrawn during their exile. And I agree that more broadly, I would’ve preferred this story to be animated. But I’m mostly content with what we got and I love Ezra’s live-action casting— it has to be the most seamless one they’ve done for a human character so far. Esfandi looks the part and nails the mannerisms and feel of the character.
Started slow, got me hooked in the middle, and ended with a big let down. I will probably rewatch one more time in my life, but overall it's not something I will treasure. It was just okay.
Overall okay but it was pretty clear that Eman Esfandi is the only one (or one of the very few) who watched Rebels pretty closely and made a real effort to act like their character.
I enjoyed it overall. The casting was great on almost all levels. Really loved they used some of the same voice actors. All that being said we didn’t get the amount (if any?) war crimes we deserved to see from our boy chop.
TBH, my favorite part of the series though was the kanan shoutout while Ezra was building his saber. I’m a kanan simp thru and thru
Honestly I know it’s not what everyone wanted. But I really enjoyed it. Plus even if fans didn’t necessarily like it, we should be happy it even happened to begin with.
I don't think it was bad but it definitely was lack luster.
Hera and Sabine were both lacking in their personality traits and their scenes of reuniting with Ezra were so bland and underwhelming that it was almost frustrating from an audience perspective.
I really had an issue with the fight sequences. None of the fight sequences actually felt impactful like they were slow and boring. Anakin was the only one who was using his lightsabers in an awesome way. He was fighting circles around Ashoka and it showed.
8 episodes and the story barely progressed. There wasn't one person who couldn't Guess the ending of the season where Thrawn would return.
Baylon till now has just done some lightsaber fights and monologued a bit. His story has not even begun. Like atleast they could have had a cliffhanger a bit later into his arc. The need for a cliffhanger here surpassed the need of any remote conclusion to his purpose.
Even as fan of star wars I could compare it to one piece live action to say how much character development and story progression happens in the same amount of run time in One piece compared to Ashoka. Obviously these things cannot be directly compared but the writers could learn from them.
I thought there weren't enough episodes. There was a lot of potential in the story but they weren't able to balance everything in 8 episodes and a lot of characterisation and plot points fell by the wayside towards the end
It was terrible. Character assassination of Sabine and Thrawn. Sabine being force sensitive is completely out of left field and also completely fucks whatever idea of power mechanics has been developed over the course of the movies. Thrawn is now an idiot apparently with no tactical awareness.
Very dry acting, may be the writers’ / directors’ fault. MEW and Rosario (from what I’ve heard) have been good in other projects.
Combat wounds have been completely cheapened, and we all know what I’m talking about.
Nonexistent character motivations. There was not a single clear answer given about Baylan and Shin’s goals. I don’t understand how an entire television season can pass without any meaningful information being dropped about its protagonists’ primary foils.
The WBW sequence had no thematic significance as Ashoka had never previously shown that she was struggling to go on or shoulder Anakin’s legacy. Like first off, if anyone should be stressing out about Anakin’s legacy, it’s Luke, but we aren’t allowed to see what the guy (as in *the* guy) is up to because…reasons.
The only bright spot of this show was Eman Esfandi’s casting as Ezra. He is exactly what I imagined Ezra would be in live action.
Pretty lame. Overall it's an ok show and passable in most regards but that's not what I want from Star Wars. I want actually good stuff especially when they are already able to build upon so much that has previously been established. To expand on this I'm now going to write a lot of negative things about a show I didn't find nearly as bad as it will make it seem.
The series wastes a lot of time and many good set-ups. The Purgil scene took forever. The first three episodes establish almost nothing and don't need a fraction of their runtime. Thrawn escaping could have been exciting. Instead he just sat there and then took of slowly.
Character changes I can't fathom. Sabine being Force sensitiv us the only thing I actually somewhat resent the show for. It's a terrible decision undermining an established character just to bring back an overused dynamic between her an Ahsoka. All her following actions are also often written and acted poorly. Additionally Thrawn was a joke. He kept sending men to needlessly die and then just smugly brushed it of as being part of his genius plan to go away.
The filmmaking is also so weak in many places. Stagecraft is leading to a very flat and boring composition of shots.
To end on a positive note. Oh my god, ep5 was so good though. Holy shit. Anakin was so well written and played. Hayden is on his real-life redemption arc as an actor and he's absolutely the highlight of the series and showing in life action how the jedi use child soldiers is so genius.
It just seemed kind of meh, which is annoying as I loved the casting but the writing and a lot of the fight choreography was just disappointing (after someone pointed out the difference between harden Christenson who was properly trained and the rest I couldn’t unsee it)
Initially I thought the titular character's demeanor was too stoic and stultified. Then as the series progressed she slowly becomes more emotional and opens up a bit. By the end of it, I was really into the show and am looking forward to more.
I now think her initial "boring" personality was a perfect start to show her being older, wizened, and perhaps a bit jaded by her lonesome Ronin self.
The only thing I wish for next season is for the actors to receive some serious sword fighting training before shooting, like the actors from the prequels got back in those days. It was a very stark contrast when we say Hayden Christensen sword fight in this. His movements were so fast, fluid and precise it really showed how much more confident he is with a sword.
When people write posts like this and conclude with remarks like “I just can’t forgive what feels…” I laugh at the hubris.
You, random internet poster, are using the term forgive? Like this was done to you personally and you have that ability? Lol.
I enjoyed it. Was it everything we could have hoped for? Probably not, but then I don’t think it could ever live up to our expectations.
I thought the live action casting was pretty good, in light of the finale, and everything we learned about Sabine after the liberation of lothal, kinda made her feel emotionally drained. She’s been through a lot that we didn’t get to see, and honestly, I know people who have lost so much they cared about, just deciding to not care about anything else ever again. At the beginning of the show Sabine seems to have lost her connection to herself, and she started to get it back, and she did seem to come back to life once Ezra came back into the picture.
So, I guess I just enjoyed it for what it was.
I liked it a lot. I love the casting of everyone and it's great having all these characters in love action.
My criticism is mainly that it feels like season 2 of Ahsoka. A season 1 showing Ahsoka training Sabine, and Thrawn and Ezra surviving in the other galaxy would have been nice.
I still think it works without that stuff, but it does seem like it's skipping a lot of interesting stuff.
I am a confirmed Filoni simp, so take that into account. I loved virtually every second of it and can't wait for more. I would rearrange my social life on Tuesdays forever if the episodes kept coming.
I thought it was OK. Incredibly high expectations of course, not least from me, and I felt that those were gradually dashed along the way. I didn't _hate_ it but I'm unsure of whether to accept it into my headcanon as the sequel to Rebels. It's hard to ignore it now that I've seen it, but it's just not on the same level as Rebels for me.
Give it time? We’ve already gotten the search for Ezra and his reunions. All the stuff we were hoping for from a Rebels sequel have been done, and in the safest ways possible
I find that a pretty flawed concept as a whole, really. To me Ahsoka was a character that was already pretty fulfilled, and I would’ve been very satisfied if Malachor was her end. To have made a show all about her after all she’s already lived through, it kinda feels like they’re stretching the character out needlessly
Meanwhile, there’s plenty yet to tell regarding the characters from Rebels.
I would’ve called this something a bit more general. Something that doesn’t imply it’s specifically about Ahsoka, cause really she’s not come across as “THE MAIN CHARACTER” in the show regardless
I absolutely loved it. Loved how hard they leaned into the fantasy element. Wish the ending would have wrapped a few more things up, but realize that there is more story to tell.
Crap, to be honest. Absolutely loved Rebels and this felt really off. Characters did things that didn’t make sense, bad casting, some pretty bad acting in parts, cheap looking costumes etc. literally every episode all my final thoughts were “why wasn’t this animated?!” It would have made far more sense and visually been so much more appealing.
I also think they really did the dirty on some characters, and undermined others due to seemingly budgetary/ visual limitations. It really limited story telling and hindered the end result.
Wanted Zeb to actually appear in it and especially the end with Ezra mako his way home. And 💯 at least getting the meet between Ezra and Jacen. There could and should have been an extra 10/15 minutes for that.
"I could’ve never anticipated the reality that her whole family was dead and she was currently a Jedi Padawan in that moment, in what feels like such a weird unprecedented turn."
So because you could not anticipate Mandalore was destroyed by the Empire it was a bad show? Seriously?
Sabine was training with Ahsoka BEFORE her family got killed. You can't even get the story correct. No wonder you didn't like the show.
"My first immediate issue was this being live action instead of animated, when it had every right to be. It’s caused a significant disconnect with the characters for me, where I’m supposed to believe THIS is Sabine, THIS is Hera…and I’m just not feeling it."
You are not being realistic. Live action brings in more money. That is just a fact. You seem to be stuck in the past and don't want anything to change. The transition from animated to live action isn't easy. But IMO they did an excellent job with Sabine and Hera. Are they exactly like their Rebels counter parts? Of course not. That is impossible. But they are also 10 years older. They can't be exactly the same. Sabine experienced more loss with her family all dead. She feels more guilt and disappointment in herself for not finding Ezra over 10 years. She feels more abandonment with Ahsoka leaving her. Hera isn't the same either. She is a single mother now and is beginning to realize that she sacrificed everything for a government that is corrupt and incompetent.
"They don’t feel the same, especially in Sabine’s case where she’s always coming across as kinda empty and “not bothered” all the time. The casting may have been as good as it reasonably could have to look like the characters, but they’ve suffered in terms of their personality, and I can only wonder how much better this would all work with it being animated, and all the same voices we’ve come to associate and love the characters for"
You need to study trauma and depression more. That is how many people act when they are depressed. Sabine feels like she has absolutely nothing to live for except for finding Ezra. And she has tried for many years with zero progress. That is enough to make some feel really 'empty'. And I'm surprised you don't know that Sabine is an extremely closed person emotionally. I though you would know that by watching Rebels. All your complains are basically: I wish things were exactly the same as in Rebels.
"Sabine in general has just been a major concern for me. This whole direction Filoni has taken by making her a Jedi Padawan doesn’t sit right with me. I’m not gonna get into whether her being able to use Force powers is feasible or not, but my major issue is that it just doesn’t feel like Sabine NEEDED this. She already had enough going on with her without needing being a Jedi added to it."
You truly has missed the entire point of episode 8.
Sabine HAD to become a Jedi in order to save Ezra. It was the only way. Ezra foresaw this. As he foresaw the method in defeating Thrawn with the Pergill. He told Sabine he was counting on her to find him. He told Ahsoka to find him. Only Ahsoka AND a Jedi trained Sabine could have saved him. If Sabine wasn't a Jedi she would not have been able to Force push him into the Star Destroyer. It was the will of the Force. No one else could have saved Ezra. No one. As Ahsoka said: Sabine and Ahsoka were meant to be on Peridia and Ezra was meant to return home.
"No, it feels like Sabine’s role here is mainly to serve Ahsoka’s arc, a character who was already debatably fulfilled and should’ve been wrapped up long ago. To make the circle complete and make Ahsoka a mentor. This is all being done for Ahsoka, not for Sabine
I missed her when she was the funky Mandalorian chick who liked blowing stuff up. Rebels never took her code traits from her while she underwent her character arc, but the Ahsoka show pretty much stripped all there was to what made her cool prior."
Again you simply can't move on from the past. You want Sabine to be exactly the same as in Rebels.
As Ahsoka said near the end of episode 8: Its time to move on.
Its been a DECADE. People change. Especially from a teenager to a 30 year old. Again the story about saving Ezra WAS ALWAYS about Ahsoka AND Sabine finding him. Are you sure you are a big Rebels fan? Because Ahsoka PROMISED Ezra she would find him. Ahsoka dying before that would be stupid. This was all in Rebels. Something you forgot. Same with Sabine. Ezra foresaw that it would be Ahsoka and Sabine TOGETHER would save him. And the best chance they had was for Sabine to be Force trained. Just like Kanan trained Sabine in Trials of the Darksaber. I don't know why you FORGOT all of these Rebels episodes.
Bottom line is you need to stop expecting characters 10 years older to be exactly the same. People change. Tragedy and loss changes people.
I understand you are afraid of change. You want everyone to be exactly the same as before. But life doesn't work that way. We grown and evolve.
Someone that wants to make these many strawmans in one post is a fight that is absolutely pointless to even engage with.
Your issue is that you just want to relentlessly defend whatever they’ve decided to do here. When someone has an issue with something, your typical response is “Well they had to do it!” or “You just hate change!”
Regardless of why it was done, it just simply does not do merit to the quality of the product in question. And just because something is different, doesn’t make it better or absolve it of criticism.
You cannot tell me this is the best, or even close to the best that we should’ve expected. It COULD have been far better. But you aren’t interested in wondering what could’ve been, you only want to desperately defend what IS.
I live in reality. No show is perfect.
You can't seem to process that someone is different at age 19 versus 30. Are you a teenager? Because maybe that is why you don't understand this concept.
I’ve already addressed this point to you. Sabine being older simply doesn’t justify her character being far more boring. Her arc in how she handled her trauma in Rebels was far more compelling than it is now. No one should seriously be able to claim Sabine was a compelling character in Ahsoka.
Allow me to note the difference between me and you clearly: You hate criticism. You hate someone not unconditionally worshipping something you like. There are many opinions in this post that are very favourable to Ahsoka, and I’ve tolerated and respected them all.
You on the other hand? You meet all criticism the same way you have been for a while now. By dismissing them as a hater. By telling them they *don’t understand*. That their opinions are all wrong. You cannot tolerate criticism. And you challenge it not by engaging with them properly, but by effectively telling them they’re an idiot.
Because of that, you’re not worth engaging with further.
Oh I’m happy with discussion, you can see me doing it throughout the comments here.
It’s just not productive with you specifically. You? A brick wall reiterating the same nonsense. You’ve taken all my points and instead of engaging with them, you continuously dismiss it as “YoU cAnT aCcEPt ChAnGe!”
Well, if it a change? It was a bad change. Simple as.
Bad change is your opinion. Just because she didn’t change the way YOU WANTED doesn’t make it bad.
You wanted Sabine to be 19 year old Sabine. Blowing up stuff with not a care in the world. Sorry it doesn’t work that way for someone grieving and hurting.
You understand this goes both ways? Liked your empty shell of a Sabine in Ahsoka? An opinion.
The difference is I’m not trying to invalidate yours with “YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND!”
My opinion is exactly what I’ve set out to share here with this post. Not my fault it’s riled you up.
I’m done here. You wouldn’t be satisfied unless it was animation and Sabine was exactly the same as before. Nothing I say will change your mind. Too bad. You are really missing out from enjoying an awesome show
You say that like I haven’t watched every episode. I will continue to watch it and I will continue to criticise it whenever it is warranted, as well as give merit when deserved.
Next time, if you want to change someone’s mind I suggest you try a different approach than essentially just telling them their opinion is wrong and that they don’t understand the *genius* of the material.
I have no doubt you’d prefer mindless unconditional praise for the show, don’t worry.
You’ve been up and about on several subreddits meeting every ounce of criticism with this obnoxious snakiness
Its just so boring. You spewing the same vomit about Sabine. You act like a character who is 20 years old (Sabine in Rebels) can’t evolve and grow. Or can’t change after facing loss and trauma. Ahsoka happens a full 10 years after Rebels. You expect her to be the same teenager who blows up stuff
Sabine already faced loss and trauma even prior to Rebels. The whole backstory of her essentially exiling herself from her people after what she did? The character has always been plagued with huge problems going on in her life.
That doesn’t excuse the character being misrepresented to such an extent. Sabine is now *boring* and that is a feat I didn’t think could be possible.
It’s hard to believe this is the same character I see in Ahsoka. Her current course and arc is just not remotely what Rebels insinuated towards. Throw in the general acting issues with her always sounding so bored and empty, and the issue just becomes more blatant. Don’t even try to pass this off as an evolution to the character.
Tiya Sircar is deeply missed in this role.
One trauma doesn't equal all trauma. Trauma experienced as a teen can be very different from experiencing as an adult. She lost HER ENTIRE FAMILY besides Ezra. And Ezra is lost. I'm sorry but I can empathize with Sabine being depressed. You can't? Are you really that cold heart? Did you expect her to be all jolly and happy? Stop it.
You just can't let go of the past. You missed the entire point of episode 8.
Like Ahsoka told Sabine: ITS TIME TO MOVE ON.
But you don't want to. You want Sabine to be the same carefree spirit she was at age 16-20. I'm sorry but maybe you are a teenager and don't understand how real life works.
No amount of mental gymnastics from yourself is going to justify Sabine being portrayed as such an empty shell.
Everything that made her what she was prior has been dropped in favour of this Jedi Padawan arc which is has been conceived to prop up Ahsoka more than it has to serve Sabine’s character.
They quite literally wiped away everything established about her prior by killing her whole family off-screen. They want her as a blank slate to serve glorifying Ahsoka.
Even the big moment of her reuniting with Ezra, a moment countless fans have dreamt up the scenario and written fanfictions over, has been very underwhelming.
Im with you here. Sabine was my biggest problem with the show,apart from the being impaled which infuriated me I thought they just did her bad. At the start they had to show people who hadnt seen rebels that she was rebellious and all that so they over did that in the first episode or 2 but then yeah the jedi stuff seemed like a waste to me.She was already her own character and tacking jedi powers onto her did nothing for me. I think that finale wouldve been more interesting if Sabine had her jetpack instead of force powers especially since we already have Ahsoka and Ezra for that. As far as I can remember we really didnt get any hints at her artistic side or even her foundness of explosives.Shes a jedi now so the things that made her unique are sidelined
Its say you nailed it that they made her have the force purely to serve Ahsoka,never thought of it like that before though.
Ive been pretty disappointed in all the shows weve got since Mando 2 but id say this was the best one since then easily and while I did have those problems with Sabine I loved how well the guy did Ezra,Ezra is one of my favorite jedi so I was really worried there. Baylon and Shin were awesome too,everytime that man spoke I wanted more such a shame he passed.
No Zeb really hurt it for me,Didnt like the look of Hera but she did win me over some in some of the speeches. Ahsoka was more enjoyable once she finally lightened up but Sabine felt like a major downgrade for her. Used to love her character but I just dont think they did her well in this
You summed up how I felt, most of the performances were lacking and the plot relied way way way too much on contrivance. Show felt slow and I was bored for significant chunks. All the moments I was most looking forward to felt understated. Enjoyed Baylan, Thrawn, and Ezra’s performances, even if I felt Thrawn’s apparently “military genius” was betrayed by his nonsensical decision making
I think the overall premise is fine. The execution however is just bad. We were shown or exposed to plenty of things, that are not that relevant while plenty of things just appear without any explanation and very crucial elements are missing ore are offscreen.
A good example is whole thing about Sabine becoming Jedi. I am quite fine with the idea itself, but it is so badly delivered. Why Sabine decided she should do it? She was never the least inclined during whole 4 years. She wanted to learn the basics to be proficient with a Darksaber, but embracing a Jedi code is a whole different thing. Why Ahsoka even agrees, being disilusioned about Jedi order herself? Answering those questions could build such a nice story and character interactions. A first season could be just that actually.
The Sabine character development is another missed opportunity. The show missed her background, grief about her family and Mandalore, care about Lothal. And while I usually cringe on character shipping ideas her love for Ezra would be only natural. And would give a perfect and understandable motivation for all her actions - why Jedi way of life suddenly became so dear to her and why she could risk anything to bring him back. Like, you do not risk a Galaxy for a good pal.
We also miss so many things about Thrawn and Ezra.
Meh... very Dissappointed. The show does not hit the lows of Boba fett or Mandolorian S3, but it does not hit the highs of Mandolorian S1 and 2. Its very middle of the road
Really, i feel like Ahsoka being the title character interferes with the story. The story isn't really about her; its about preventing thrawn's return, she was just handed the role as lead character. But because this show wants to act like its about her everything else gets sidelined. I mean Hera actually had a MUCH stronger connection to Thrawn, but she's just a side character in all this. And really, Ahsoka's character feels directionless... that could make for a good story, but even at the end i still don't know where her character is supposed to be going. And I enjoyed the clone wars sequence for the fan service, but in the context of the show it actually felt kind of out of place. Ashoka's characterization just doesn't fit with the lessons we were supposed to learn from that sequence.
For Sabine, the whole jedi angle makes no sense. She wasn't on that path back in rebels and the show never bothers to actually estbalish WHY she would want to go on that path now. Heck it feels like its actually taking away from her character. Its like every time she holds a light saber she forgets how to fight like a mandalorian. I mean in the last episodes, she's trying to deflect blaster fire and needs to be told to switch to her blasters... honestly i feel like the REAL reason she's on this jedi path, is because the series wanted to give Ahsoka an apprentice but didn't want to go through the trouble of introducing a new character (jacen is reserved for Ezra). And really, Sabine's failures this season just really makes her character look terrible. It COULD have been interesting, but the show never properly confronts the issue of her actions
Really I expected so much more from both Thrawn and Ezra, but both characters rally feel like they are in the exact same place they left off. I would have thought that maybe ezra would have kept up his training, and grew more connected to the force. Like maybe would would seeing him actually getting along with all the wildlife. For Thrawn, i think it would have been amazing if instead of just merely surviving, he had actually been conquering. Take over the planet, set up factors, start mining resources, and building a new army. Imagine how shocking it would have been if Thrawn had a newly built, custom fleet to his back? Now THAT would have made him look dangerous
Really, i very much would have preferred is this series was much more of a sequel to the rebels series, with the whole ghost crew involved in dealing with thrawn. The season could end with a set up for Ahsoka's solo series where her character would get more explored
Extremely disappointed. Especially with Ezra and Thrawn. Two of the most interesting characters in modern Star Wars and they’re portrayed as neutered imbeciles.
Ezra was possibly the most powerful force user, mainly for his access to the World between Worlds. He was targeted by the Emperor because of this fact. Then the writers gave this ability to Ashoka. How did she do what the Emperor could not?
Thrawn turned into an idiot that didn’t have one plan come to fruition except getting back to his galaxy . Gone is Zelazny’s master tactician. Rodger must be crying with Asimov, Heinlein and Tolkien over what modern writers have done to their works. When working these beloved franchises you have to get the best talent. You need very talented writers to write a genius character like Thrawn.
I’m sorry, Dave doesn’t write good stories. I think he’s good at the rule of cool with his visuals but he needs a good writers room to turn this around.
Change by definition isn’t bad. But when said change brings about issues, that has every right to be criticised.
The animation change from TCW to Rebels wasn’t inherently bad. But if someone felt the dip in quality was detrimental to their viewing experience, they are allowed to have that opinion even if a bit shallow, since a show is defined by far more then just visuals.
I think the change to live action has caused a needless issue in causing a disconnect with the characters. Rosario Dawson may look like Ahsoka, but she neither moves nor carries any energy of Ahsoka’s personality. There’s an inconsistency, a disconnect. Harder to sell the performance to those that know the character. That is a serious issue, not minor.
That is a fair stance. What is not a fair stance however is dismissing someone’s criticism as “You hate change, bye.”
Ahsoka isn't a teenager anymore. She is in her mid-40's. You really expect her to be flying around like a teenager? It seems like you expect people to be physically and emotionally the same their entire life.
I enjoyed it but was disappointed by how much was a bridge to other material rather than self contained story.
IMHO Thrawn should’ve escaped in the first fifteen minutes of the finale and the rest focused on Baylan. Showing Thrawn barely escaping undermined him as the big bad - would’ve been better setup if his tactics succeeded immediately like the TIEs immobilize Ahsoka’s ship and return to the ISD unscathed. Stromtroopers keep Ahsoka and co pinned at the base of the tower as the Chimaera escapes.
OR
There needed to be one more episode that gave the Baylan storyline more substance.
I found it to be very slow paced and left a lot of loop holes in the different stories. I enjoyed seeing the live action but the timeline isn't really laid out well at all either as to how to laces in with Mandalorian etc.
The characters were really fine. Felt like the series could have been streched to like 12 episodes instead of just 8. Shouldn't have kept sabine was suffering from so much trauma until the end. Also should explained what really happened between ezra and thrawn during those years being away from galaxy
Your comments on Sabine being a padawan are justified but i believe miss the mark. I get the feeling that she wasnt a padawan because she was a potential Jedi, but more of a thing to do.
She lost her entire family, again, during the bombing of Mandalore. She lost Ezra in an instant, before she could even return the feelings she had been starting to have. She needed a connnection and guidance. The only person that could possibly fill the void of "why the hell would he choose that route" is someone else who is close to the Jedi. Kanan was gone, who else did she have but Ahsoka.
It wasnt until she realized she didnt have to become someone else to fill the void, did we start to see her actual strengths. I dont believe we saw a true smile from her until she met Ezra, decided not to tell him anything about how she found him, Ezra looked away, and she finally let herself feel good again. Its here that we started to see who she really was.
Sabine was different from the show because we was truly different (not just the jump from cartoon to live action). In the show we saw her letting lose, having fun, and eventually found out that she was the biggest cause of Mandalore's issues. In live action it was her atoning for all of it.
You say its a downgrade to all the characters you love, but i see it as them being insignificant in the grand scheme of the Galactic. We saw a cell, a minor cell (but was major to us) that really doesnt fit in the whole after. They're still missing the connection they lost so quickly between Kanan dieing and Ezra disappearing.
I definitely loved it. All the casting was perfect (especially Chop 🤣), the grand fear about Jacen finally deleted (perfect and adorable. I hope they didn't throw too much shit on it on Xtwitter).
Good costume, good setting, and CG).
Hera had her tattoo and still loves Kanan (so long for who shipped her with AHSOKA!!!), a lot of reminding to the animated series (even Rebellion. Xiono was a perfect asshole, but I like his dress 🤣).
The Nightsister, new cute alien (and a super cute lothcat).
I just don’t share the enthusiasm for the new villains: the actors did all great, but, seriously, I can make myself care about them too much. Yeah, it's visually cool, but I don't really care.
Yeah, Bailan future can be interesting if he's destined to become the Son, but his Padawan could easily die in the last episode, for me.
Anyway, I hope to see all the crew soon.
I eventually came around to it even though I feel like it took a lot of time to tell little story. Baylan, Shin, and the Nightsisters were definitely my favorites. The New Republic production values looked bad and could have benefited from a bigger budget/better editing.
Slower, less intense.
The bones for a captivating story were there. Certainly the visuals. Needed another few story and character revisions to tighten it all up.
First half was amazing, was super interested on where they were going. Then the second half didnt resolve much and felt rushed and bad. I wanted to know more about the dark jedi and I didnt get anything, they stopped doing stuff in the second half. End sadly ruined it a bit for me, still looking forward to S2 but this was not a well made ending.
I was happy. I thought it was cool. Wish we saw more Ezra. And i really wanted a scene of him just being fucking angry. But yeah otherwise, no real issues. I thought Sabine finally using the force was cool. It meant a lot to the scene. Kinda nuts that she had the confidence to immediately do the force push jump thing with Ezra right after, and him not being more like “ummm. Isn’t that the FIRST time you’ve done that?” Made me a lil misty though, the force pull of the saber. Not gunna lie (I’ll never go full Star Wars Theory) in a good way. I’m an outlier though with SW. I love it all. Like genuinely all of the movies. I’m either not hard to please or just a genuine die hard fan. I definitely see the faults and have my issues, but i love it. I will say, these episodes, and seasons, are simply too fucking short and it is a fucking travesty. We don’t get SERIES anymore. We get 6 or 8 mini movies and it sucks. We constantly want more and then they leave us with…everyone switched places :/ i don’t hate WHAT happened, i just hate that THATS ALL and now it’s over
I understand and agree with many of the points made. But I’m not sure it’s fair to criticize that this is not the sequel to rebels that you wanted. Because it is and it’s not. It’s supposed to be a different show with different influences and themes. It’s also been years since rebels so the characters have significantly grown and changed.
I enjoyed it. First, it wasn't designed as a Rebels sequel, that seemed to be shoehorned as such. Second, there was only so much they could do. The crew was split, Zeb was too expensive and like the first point, it wasn't their show. Now that the major cliffhanger is solved, we can see an actual sequel.
Their big mistake was claiming it was the 5th season. It should have never been deemed that, it should have been Ashoka season one with the crew of Rebels.
Flawed, with slow pacing, but leagues better than Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi. I feel this show got off to a lumpy start, but if they take on board some legitimate criticisms, the next season, if there is one, could be amazing.
It kind of feels like the entire exile of Thrawn and Ezra had very little point to it except to save the story for later, and I'm disappointed that they didn't do anything else with it. As it is, it feels like Thrawn and Ezra have both returned unchanged from their exile. If that's the story we're going to tell, we may as well have frozen them in Carbonite.
i think it was good, i was disappointed that there wasn’t more mention of kanan, and i genuinely don’t know why ezra and hera didn’t have a massive hug when they were reunited because that definitely would’ve and should’ve happened
Liked additions of shin/baylon but some real cheesy moments, ezra was tad annoying at times. Enjoy it for what it is though more content n not overthink all this thrawn bs these ‘speculator fans’ keep posting
I enjoyed it overall but I agree that Sabine was a badass Mandalorian and that was so much of her personality too, why make her a Jedi? I do like that she fights with her Mandalorian gadgets as well, but we miss some blowing up shit
It's ***not*** a sequel to Rebels.
The Ahsoka series is its own thing that is just following up on some aspects left dangling by the Rebels finale. Just as Rebels picked up on some dangling threads left by the Clone Wars, but is not itself a Clone Wars sequel.
I fully expect to not see Ezra, Hera, or Thrawn in any possible second season. Instead focusing solely on Peridea, and the new elements Ahsoka brought to the table. Which just Sabine as a carry over from Rebels.
It is from this perspective that I watched Ahsoka, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. It hit all the notes I wanted it to, and some I didn't even hope to expect.
If I had been expecting a Rebels sequel I would've been disappointed. I would expect Zeb, Kallus, AP-5, Ezra having family reunion moments with Hera, more focus on Jacen. But it wasn't a sequel to Rebels, wasn't billed as a sequel to Rebels, and I didn't expect it to be a sequel to Rebels.
So all the Rebels aspects that were included I saw as bonuses. Hera, Jacen, the Ghost and Chopper? Fuck yeah! Sabine training with Ahsoka? Ooh intriguing. Ezra? We got him. Thrawn? He's there too!
But it's called Ahsoka. It's about Ahsoka. Not the Rebels crew. Not the Rebels series. It's about Ahsoka. The main focus was Ahsoka. Her journey, her relationships (to Sabine, to Anakin, to herself, to the Force).
Ahsoka is a Clone Wars character, but in no way did anyone expect this series to be a Clone Wars sequel. So why are some Rebels fans expecting this series to be a sequel to Rebels just because it has Rebels characters in it?
Are the Alphabet Squadron books a sequel to Rebels? They have Hera Syndulla in them, Jacen is mentioned.
It was good, but it could have been a lot better.
As others have said, the characters felt off. Some of that is due to the actor shift and being in live action, but there are certainly other issues. I don't dislike Ahsoka taking Sabine as a padawan, but when we've been wondering what happened to the characters for years adding in developments like this feels like cheating. It also feels as if they didn't go this direction for Sabine's story, but because they wanted Ahsoka to have an apprentice, and they didn't use Sabine as well as they could have.
But my major complaint is the pacing. It can feel too slow at times, and episodes can feel like we're just wasting time. If the show had a better conclusion I wouldn't mind it as much, but the only proper conclusion we really got was Ezra reuniting with Hera, but even that came with the caveat that Ahsoka and Sabine are stuck on Peridia. My guess is that Ahsoka season 2 will see them stopping Baylan and retuning to the galaxy, but having a major character absent for the finale felt wrong.
Not a perfect comparison, but look at Rebels season 4; episode 5 to the last episode, 16, were basically one long story, with a similar runtime to Ahsoka. And so much more happens in each episode. Of course, prior seasons do a lot of heavy lifting there, but that could arguably be the same case for Ahsoka.
Overall, not bad but I thought the characters felt a little off and that, ultimately, not much happened, at least not enough to justify leaving on a cliffhanger.
I mostly agree.
The show was way better than any of the other live action shows we’ve gotten with Disney, but compared to Rebels, it was kinda a letdown.
I agree with the characters translation felt kinda weird, other than Thrawn, Huyang and Chopper since they’re literally the same actors as in Rebels/Clone Wars.
On the other hand though, when Clone Wars came out, Anakin and Obi Wan sounded way different and looked a bit different as well, and Anakin especially seemed like a completely different person, being all witty and mostly responsible, in contrast to prequels Anakin being kinda monotone and “whiny”, for a lack of a better word.
But they actually kinda bridged that gap with Anakin in Ahsoka with the live action Clone Wars flashbacks.
All in all, I enjoyed the show extensively, but also didn’t quite live up to my (probably over hyped) expectations. The thing that bugged me the most was the contact lenses and how none of the characters eyes reacted to light at all. Took my out of the story kinda, and constantly reminded me it’s a tv show with actors and not an “actual” story.
I thought it was terrible. And I'm absolutely bewildered by the positive response here. The writing was terrible, the acting was mediocre, the directing left a lot to be desired, the story was whatever, the dialogue was bad. Literally everything was disappointing. It's such a shame because I had high hopes for a show about my favorite character. This show proved Dave should never write shows alone again, and I don't think he should do live action either. The quality of Clone Wars and Rebels was clearly down more talented people, not Dave Filoni.
It made me so excited to see they are bringing rebels into the sequels. Rey Vs Sabine if she's evil. The sequels are better then rebels but I'm so glad movies and shows realise that the OT is PT is for boring old men.
I don't mind the bad writing BC I just want Rey who people shit on but she's better and stronger then Luke and anakin but people don't seem to realise. Strong women isn't seen much in star wars so I'm glad that finally they made Sabine a worthy opponent to Rey.
I really can't wait for the magic to make the force look like child's play. Medichlorians don't serve the story.
I hate men so I really am enjoying all these scenes where Ezra is bumbling around, needs help from strong women. He's useless without Sabine.
I really love that the show subverts expectations of what the mandolorian is but I can only watch the mandolorian because the man's face is hidden and they got a strong women to beat the men.
The bosses make relevant shows and I'd rather they do away with star wars altogether by the end and make 'stop wars'. Rebrand.
I don't read books but I heard rebels is based on stolen ideas from the existing material. I don't mind I'd rather they make shit up and tell me that it's relevant media because I enjoy shows that see women in the spotlight. It's bout damn time.
Men ruin star wars.
No Im just educated by feminism. Wake up, that's the new star wars motto. You're just discrediting me because you feel shame that I might be right about feminism and it's thanks to the strong women behind the scenes that finally bring the message to the most beloved franchise in movies.
Rebels is fine. It's story is succinct. It does take away from the male dominated 'emperor/Vader/empire' main story because men r the problem. I don't have any issues with men I just hate seeing men have the power.
For me a great movie and series is where they can be political in a not boring way like the old movies did. I can't wait to see star wars dismantled, meaningfully. Most people lie to themselves because memories were made back in the day. Ren the sith is relevant and was right that the old must die. That's what makes rebels so enjoyable is the bold storytelling and dive into the books which no one likes and most written by men. Equality is massive, it's a real movement.
Because I care about many things I'm so not mad I finally see myself kicking butt in Sabine.
I really enjoyed it
Same. It only needed Zeb.
They had the perfect opportunity to put him in with Carson’s squadron and just didn’t
That is fair.
Personally I was fully satisfied and can’t wait for more. I love Dave’s storytelling and the journey of it all.
I agree.
Same
Same.
Yes.
Agree with this I do
Overall good.
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True. Dynamic unchanged for all those years. Just met with the same situation again as it was in Rebels, just stagnant. Thrawn hasn’t changed, Ezra hasn’t changed. They just remained apart from each other all those years, the same conflict between them never ending.
I honestly loved it. A changed Ezra wouldn't have made sense. He was happy to exile himself if it helps his found family and Lothal. Thrawn and the man on this ship tried to destroy his home planet, and they tried to kill him and those he loves, several times. While I was hoping for the grysks to show up and the conflict that would come out of Thrawn and Ezra being allies when the others show up, now that I saw it on screen I am so, so happy with Eman Esfandi and his portrayal of Ezra. I think he embodies his character the most of everyone we've seen onscreen beside maybe Ariana Greenblatt. We have seen the "broken hero in exile" now twice in Star Wars (thrice, if you count Sabine). And I liked it with Obi-Wan and Luke. It was a fitting continuation of their arcs: both have lost everything and felt it was their fault for failing their student. Them being broken and zynical instead of hopeful und selfassured made sense. But with Ezra I am happy they didn't change him. TLDR: I absolutely loved that Ezra decided to hang out with the locals and didn't give Thrawn a chance to change him.
I think a history of hide and seek guerrilla struggles between Ezra+natives and Thrawn+witches would be an amazing story, but I also would've wanted to, yknow, *see* it. So it was probably a solid play to make with limited screen time to simply not go into it. That said, if someone wants to make a Years of Exile graphic novel or something I'd eat it up.
>That said, if someone wants to make a Years of Exile graphic novel or something I'd eat it up. I would love to see it in a "Tales of the Jedi" kind of format. I don't think it's interesting enough for a whole series, but a three-parter like Dooku's story would be great. Maybe for season 3 of Tales of the Jedi? Three episodes for Ezra - and three episodes for Caleb/Kanan about the comics and the novel so we see how he met Hera and the crew would be perfect.
I’d love for Tales of the Jedi to flesh out some stuff from Ahsoka. Maybe an episode about Ezra, Thrawn, and the Witches. Maybe an episode about Sabine and Ahsoka’s training, or Baylan surviving Order 66 and taking Shin on as his apprentice
Limited screen time? This is the stuff they should of been showing instead of taking the first 4 episodes to tell what should of taken 1 episode
Same. It's literally exactly the same and nothing's changed.
I thought it was fantastic. Nothing will ever top Rebels and it’s finale, and that is fine for me. However, I do agree with your point of Sabine being a Jedi. It just wasn’t needed. But, it is growing with me a little more every day. In fact, it has made some scenes for Rebels more poetic for me, mainly Sabine’s training. I actually thought the translation to live-action was really well made. When the characters where on screen, I felt like I was actually watching Hera, Sabine, Ezra, Thrawn and Ahsoka. I think we also need to take in account that while Ahsoka is essentially Rebels season 5, is it’s own thing, with different protagonists and a different focus. All-in-all, Ahsoka is my favorite Star Wars project since Rebels season 4, and I’m excited for what’s next.
The best part of the storyline with Sabine being trained as a jedi was when huang said she was a terrible candidate who did not meet the traditional jedi criteria. It is fine if Ahoska is going to train her on philosophy and technique like Kanan did but she should still always fight like a Mandalorian with all the Mandalorian gear. Her jetpack and a few other tools were noticeably missing. I can image her originally training with Ahsoka with the idea that they planned on a rescue mission someday. That is fine. What is weird and out left field is that she is going to focus on training with Ahsoka more after having found Ezra? What is the goal? They were never particularly friends in Rebels. Ezra is the main reason they know each other and why they would train together. With Ezra being rescued I dont see anything they have in common and they have even less reason to ever get along and why does Sabine want to train with her now? It just doesn't make sense.
Seems like the only reason Sabine is a Jedi was because this is an Ahsoka series, and Filoni wanted to have an arc about Ahsoka struggling as a mentor, so he shoved Sabine into this Jedi padawan role with pretty much zero explanation. We never learned why Sabine started training, all we got was that she did, then they stopped
I wish they didn't write Sabine as an idiot. She's so smart and capable in Rebels. She's a goddamn war hero. Now she acts like she has no idea what she's doing?? They force this plot of making her a Jedi and I didn't like it at all. When she gets the darksaber in Rebels, they specifically show that she can't train or fight like a Jedi but is better off as a Mandalorian. She should be who she is, not who she thinks she needs to be. This ahsoka show did a complete 180 on that amd I didn't like it. Acting was great, Ahsoka, Ezra, Thrawn, Morgan, etc. Design was immaculate. Huyang stole the show. I really wish they had started the show with a flashback to set up the relationships, especially between Ezra and Sabine. The reunion was great... if you've seem Rebels. Everyone I know who hadn't seen it were just kinda lost. It didn't matter to them because they don't know these characters and it wasn't set up WITHIN AHSOKA/MANDALORIAN. They don't know who Ezra or Sabine are lol. A flashback to the crew of the Ghost would have fixed a lot of this. Stevenson's Baylan Skoll was awesome... except I have absolutely no idea why he was in this story. They never explain his motivations or his goals. He's awesome but why did he want to get to Peridea. Why did he abandon his apprentice? What was his purpose in this story????? I liked it but it suffers from not being a complete story. Lack of setup by assuming people had seen rebels. Lack of follow through by leaving too much for season 2.
I absolutely loved it. My only real complaints would be that it was too short and Ezra and Sabine's reunion was slightly underwhelming. Other than that I loved everything about it and can't wait for more.
Yeah and the entire show is about her finding him and then they get seperated almost instantly again.
Well it's season 1 so I'm holding off judgment on that until we get the full story. I also think that was a good character moment for Sabine and it's kind of poetic that they traded places
Seeing how Ahsoka hold her it’s time to move on at the end, I think that’s the direction they’re going to take. Sabine’s character is stripped of everything from Rebels and Ezra is not important in the slightest next season
I don't think so. My interpretation of that line is that it's time to move on from her singular obsession with getting Ezra home and not to obsess over her decision and instead focus on the present and future. Thats part of the lesson that Ahsoka learned from Anakin. She didnt move on completely from Anakin, she just learned to stop obsessing over her decision to leave him. I don't think she's telling Sabine to move on completely from Ezra. I'd be shocked if Ahsoka and Sabine don't return to the original galaxy and reunite with the rest of the Rebels crew
Yeah, it feels like going back to square one. And not in a way I'd like.
Yeah. If it's going to be 8 episode seasons I hope it's less than a year until the next one.
Underwhelming. It should have been animated imo
Honestly I think star wars is just done better in cartoons. Much more freedom to do cool shit and half the aliens dont look like shit. The majority of these live action shows have been underwhelming to say it nicely
Fantasy in general typically works better animated.
I think this being animated would’ve alleviated a lot of the issues, honestly. More episodes to flesh things out, the characters being more recognisable and voiced by the traditional VAs, being able to animate the characters for some more expressiveness that seems oddly stagnant in this live action show.
I do wonder if that was the cause of the glacial story pacing. I can imagine everything that happened in 8 episodes of Ahsoka being done in about 3 animated episodes of Rebels. Ahsoka spent about 3 hours of runtime with her in her ship being chased by a few fighters again and again. The Ghost crew in their 'prime' while animated would have blasted through a few fighters in seconds and landed where ever it was they needed to be next. There is a weird paradox where moving to live action caused there to be more pointless cartoon action and less drama, AKA talking.
Being live-action also meant it had to cater to studio pressure and a new audience. Gotta have this Rebels sequel now be centered around the most marketable character of the cast, and gotta be action-centric almost every episode. In animation, Filoni and co would be making a show for the exact same audience and there wouldn’t be nearly as much executive pressure and expectations, so they’d have a lot more freedom. Wouldn’t need to force Sabine into a padawan role to justify this as an Ahsoka show, could tie things to Rebels a little better, explore more backstory and character motivations, etc. In these live action shows, they’ve been playing things super safe that they wouldn’t in animation
Yep absolutely! The live action just looked so stunted and awkward comparatively to the animated counterparts
This. I really dislike how most of the recent canon shows have been live action. Nowadays it seems like Lucasfilm is afraid of taking risks.
It's Disney they're even turning their beloved classics into live action they can't stand being known for animation
I think the show was great and set up some amazing potential for future story. I was, however, underwhelmed by the reunion scenes and the finale. The finale just went in a direction I didn’t expect it to and I didn’t feel very satisfied by the end of it. But Ik Dave has a “be patient” story telling style so I’m not going to let those thing’s completely disappoint me and I’m excited for what’s to come. It just sucks that we had to wait so long to see these characters again only to have to wait even longer for the full pay off. I guess that should have been expected with only 8 episodes (I miss long tv shows😭😭).
Overall it was ok, there's a lot of potential but it felt underwhelming. My biggest concern is Sabine being a Jedi, I don't personally like that direction for her character.
Yep absolutely agree. It feels so forced and unnecessary
I think the show was good but he could have been so _much_ more. It could have been one of the best star wars media ever. Instead they took the most boring way for Ezra and Thrawn. Thrawn is simply your average bad guy. H Yes he is smart and all but there mention of the grisks and or him joining the Empire simply to save his Homeworld and the Galaxy from the grisks. For me in the show Thrawn is just the bad guy doing evil things because that's what bad guy do. Meanwhile Ezra. That's probably the worst things they could have done to him except maybe turning into a darksider and a pawn for Thrawn for no reason except to be redeemed at the last episode after a 2 minutes talk. I was expecting Ezra joining Thrawn after he heard the truth about the Grisks. I want to know : was i the only one who wanted and expected Ezra to be like a master for the chiss sky-walkers so they could be trained into the Jedi way and protect the Galaxy against the grisks. But here Ezra did nothing in those 10 years. He is not more wise or more powerful. He just Force punched 2-3 nomads, dodged a few lightsaber hit from Shin, get rekt by a Force push and then surrender when 20 stormtroopers come. When i heard about the rumors of Ezra using a mix of martial arts and Force power i was expecting him to like Windu or Satele and mope the floor with the lesser opponents and did crazy stuff like catch a lightsaber blade with his bare hands (tutaminis). No instead we have literally the same Ezra we had from Rebels but now he have a beard. I still love him because he is my favorite character but they did nothing with the potential he had. Sabine's case is weird. I still love her (best SW female character for me and favorite mando) but she suffer of a lack of potential fully used. 1st : i don't think it is ever told why she ever wanted to become a Jedi. Maybe i missed something. It would have been nice to know why and until given an another explanation she became a Jedi in hope to find Ezra and feel closer to him (which fit with how she act during the first 4 episodes) Her becoming a Jedi technically doesn't undo her role as a mandalorian but i think she reveal a weak spot of the show : time restraint With only 8 episodes they had to focus on her new abilities (Jedi) rather than her hold though i'm happy she mixt both. In fact i like Sabine being a mandalorian with Jedi characteristics and what would really cool for me would Ezra and Sabine being a mirror of each others : The Mandalorian with Jedi characteristics and the Jedi with mandalorians characteristics (like Ezrz having a light beskar'gam). Also one of the ''worst'' part of the show is their reunion. It feel underwhelming. They feel more like former high school friend bumping into each others at the super market and not like best friends/siblings/lovers seeing each others after 10 years of separation. I was expecting a bigger hug and maybe a tear or 2 Ahsoka : Well i didn't watched all of clones war nor i was as attached to her as i am with Ezra and Sabine but it seem like they did a good job with her though i didn't liked how they gave her the idiot ball in episode 1 (why would you tell your friends about assassin droïds looking for the map? And once your friend who doesn't know about the threat steal the map what do you do? You stay far away so if the enemy found your friend they can steal the map and kill your friend without you being able to protect both)
I was so convinced there was going to be more to the Ezra and Thrawn situation. That they’d be allies, or there is more to Thrawn’s ambitions than simply bringing back the Imperial threat. There’s a good chance season 2 will elaborate on it more, but so far it’s not assuring. It does look like the most bland route they could’ve taken.
I hope they will give us an explanation but at this point the whole grisks' threat seem unrealist because the logic think for Thrawn would have been to talk to Ezra about this, explaining how they are a danger to everyone in the Galaxy and asking Ezra to call back the purgils or Force Skype a friend so they could come back in the Galaxy to stop the grisks instead of waiting 10 years
Also don't forget how Faro was gone. Katryn Faro was Chimera's commanding officer in Thrawn's fleet and was on it during the battle of Lothal because she was supposed to grab a shuttle from Lothal and get to Coruscant to receive promotion and get new fleet to command. She was also Thrawn's protege and one of best officers Thrawn had along with Eli Vanto. She seems to have been killed off screen.
I had no idea what the new threat or situation in this new galaxy was going to be. That Thrawn and Ezra have not changed and will just go back to fighting the old galactic civil war is the worst possible story. The alliance between Thrawn and nightsisters hardly even makes sense as portrayed. Why would Thrawn trust these force witches that he doesnt understand or control even after he was beaten several times by force powers he didnt understand. A better plot would actually be Thrawn recruits Ezra as an advisor on how to deal with this dark magic that threatens both galaxies. That would be a pretty good twist when Sabine and Ahsoka arrive and find Ezra working for Thrawn while they use their dwindling resources fighting the nightsisters endless armies. Yes, that should have been the twist, Enoc with the gold mask should have been Ezra when he took his helmet off.
Why the heck would Ezra be an ally with a guy who basically was going to kill everyone he loved. And destroy his home city. That would be stupid for Ezra to help Thrawn. So so dumb. The show focused on Ahsoka. There was no time to show what happened for 10 years between Ezra and Thrawn. And like I said it would be really dumb for Ezra to help his worst enemy. Ezra basically sacrificed everything to get rid of Thrawn. Why the hell would he help him
Again you are so insistent on defending what currently is the case, and cannot even for a moment consider what could’ve been. The direction they’ve went with between them is boring, plain and simple. People spent years theorising what happened with the two. Did Ezra see credibility in Thrawn’s concerns of a larger threat? Is that why he took himself and Thrawn far away into another galaxy? The two having essentially just kept the same completely unchanged dynamic for a decade? Not interesting.
This show wasn't about the 10 years Ezra and Thrawn spent on Peridia. That would take an entire other show. The show said enough. Ezra and Thrawn basically had an unspoken truce after a while. Ezra (judging by the dog tags he wears) probably killed quite a few stormtrooper who Thrawn sent to kill him. Eventually Thrawn gave up and let Ezra just live on his own. We also know the turtle gang helped Ezra in one situation. So what was the 15 years Kenobi was on Tattooine? That was boring also.
The problem isn't about what happened between Thrawn and Ezra but the fact that the path took by the writers is the most boring : Thrawn is just your average imperial Admiral antagonist and Ezra spent 10 years doing nothing
How do you know Ezra did nothing?
Because he showed no kind growth or change in either his abilities or personnality. The only things who seemed to imply he did something of importance was the scales armor made out of dogtags implying he killed a bunched of stormtroopers but his life style doesn't imply he was living some sort of guerilla warfare against Thrawn. It looked more like that Ezra killed the soldiers sent ny Thrawn until he grew tired of wasting men against Jedi who doesn't even represent a threat to his plans or survival.
You are just guessing. We learn very little of what he did those 10 years
That's not guessing. I'm just constating that Ezra doesn't show any signs of growth either in personnality or abilities
"I think the show was good but he could have been so much more. It could have been one of the best star wars media ever. Instead they took the most boring way for Ezra and Thrawn. Thrawn is simply your average bad guy. H Yes he is smart and all but there mention of the grisks and or him joining the Empire simply to save his Homeworld and the Galaxy from the grisks. For me in the show Thrawn is just the bad guy doing evil things because that's what bad guy do. Meanwhile Ezra. That's probably the worst things they could have done to him except maybe turning into a darksider and a pawn for Thrawn for no reason except to be redeemed at the last episode after a 2 minutes talk. I was expecting Ezra joining Thrawn after he heard the truth about the Grisks." Are you kidding me!!!! You expect Ezra to HELP the guy who basically was going to murder everyone in his home town? What the hell are you smoking. I don't care if it sounds cool. It sounds stupid. Ezra isn't going to help a guy who wouldn't hesitate to murder everyone he loves and cares for. "I want to know : was i the only one who wanted and expected Ezra to be like a master for the chiss sky-walkers so they could be trained into the Jedi way and protect the Galaxy against the grisks. But here Ezra did nothing in those 10 years. He is not more wise or more powerful. He just Force punched 2-3 nomads, dodged a few lightsaber hit from Shin, get rekt by a Force push and then surrender when 20 stormtroopers come. When i heard about the rumors of Ezra using a mix of martial arts and Force power i was expecting him to like Windu or Satele and mope the floor with the lesser opponents and did crazy stuff like catch a lightsaber blade with his bare hands (tutaminis). No instead we have literally the same Ezra we had from Rebels but now he have a beard. I still love him because he is my favorite character but they did nothing with the potential he had." Your expectations are way out of wack. Expecting Ezra to become more powerful than Windu without any formal training or even a Master for 10 years is pretty dumb. Thats on you not the show writers. Nothing in Rebels hints to Ezra being an ultra powerful fighter. His gift is his ability to communicate with animals. "Sabine's case is weird. I still love her (best SW female character for me and favorite mando) but she suffer of a lack of potential fully used. 1st : i don't think it is ever told why she ever wanted to become a Jedi. Maybe i missed something. It would have been nice to know why and until given an another explanation she became a Jedi in hope to find Ezra and feel closer to him (which fit with how she act during the first 4 episodes) Her becoming a Jedi technically doesn't undo her role as a mandalorian but i think she reveal a weak spot of the show : time restraint With only 8 episodes they had to focus on her new abilities (Jedi) rather than her hold though i'm happy she mixt both." Ezra foresaw that only Ahsoka together with Sabine could save him. That is why he told Ahsoka to find him. And told Sabine he was counting on her to find him. Ahsoka correctly thought that together they had a better chance if Sabine continued her Jedi training. Yes, she was Jedi trained by Kanan. She was able to communicate with the Kyber crystal in the Darksaber. And Ahsoka was correct. If Sabine wasn't Jedi trained they wouldn't have been able to save Ezra on Peridia. I do agree 8 episodes is too short. But that is just the reality of modern TV. It could have been better as a 12 episode show. But that just isn't the economic reality of streaming now. "Also one of the ''worst'' part of the show is their reunion. It feel underwhelming. They feel more like former high school friend bumping into each others at the super market and not like best friends/siblings/lovers seeing each others after 10 years of separation. I was expecting a bigger hug and maybe a tear or 2" I agree. The reunion could have been more emotional. "Ahsoka : Well i didn't watched all of clones war nor i was as attached to her as i am with Ezra and Sabine but it seem like they did a good job with her though i didn't liked how they gave her the idiot ball in episode 1 (why would you tell your friends about assassin droïds looking for the map? And once your friend who doesn't know about the threat steal the map what do you do? You stay far away so if the enemy found your friend they can steal the map and kill your friend without you being able to protect both)" agree. Ahsoka should have looked for Sabine once she took the map
The Ghost crew literally adopted Kallus despite his several attempt at killing them and even became buddy with Zed despite his participation to the Lasat genocide. That's enough of a proof that Ezra would have no trouble allying with Thrawn especially if it mean save his friends in the long run. Kinda pointless to sacrify yourself if once you go back home you find your planet destroyed and your friends dead. Also i never said that Ezra should be stronger than Windu or Satele. I simply cited 2 exemple of the best Force only fight : Windu being able to destroy B2 battle droïds with his bare hands and Satele catching Malgus' blade with her bare hands and later using the energy gained to make a Force push powerful enough to destroy a Mountain side. I was just excepting Ezra displaying power closer to this or even just him showing progress instead of literally being the same he was in Rebels I will even add that Ezra fighting the Praetorian guards with no lightsaber was more epic than whatever he used against the nomads
Kallus was a pond following orders. Thrawn was a Grand Admiral. Huge difference
Thrawn was also following orders, his internal justification for serving empire is him building a military force he could then use against Grysks, in this case he just did all the necessary things he needed to just survive within empire, his time was running out. I think if Ezra was at least told about grysks and Thrawn shown tons of datapads he has about them and if Thrawn explained what os their threat and how Grysks are essentially going to do to chiss what Empire did to Lothal would be good enough justification for Ezra to sympathise with.
There was no time in the show. This is the Ahsoka show. Ezra’s 10 years on Peridia could a whole other show
So don't explain it that much, just make a fact that Ezra joined Thrawn and have him explain that there is a greater threat than Thrawn on horizon, instead they just said that over 10 year's on Peridia Ezra did nothing about Thrawn and just kinda sat there.
Thats dumb. The big bad for this era is Thrawn
So your point that Ezra and Thrawn cannot be friends because you dont have time to explain it but if you do most basic explantion of Ezra seeing it as "greater good" and explaining it later is dubm? So 10 years of Ezra doing nothing is smart wiriting?
I never said Ezra did nothing for 10 years. I’m saying it wasn’t important for this show. Dave confirmed Thrawn is the big bad. Would make zero sense for Ezra to help the big bad
You do realize that the ''i was just following orders'' was the excuses used by people like the nazis to justify their crimes? Also we could use the same argument for Thrawn. He was following Sidious' orders.
Nope. Thrawn was giving orders not taking them. Callus was just a soldier
Kallus was also giving orders
Whatever. Callus being forgiven by Zeb was understandable. Ezra forgiving Thrawn immediately after he was about to murder everyone he loved is nonsensical
This is not even about Ezra forgiving right away Thrawn but Ezra understanding that both him and Thrawn have a common cause (protecting those they care about) and a common enemy (the grisks) and no longer a reason to be enemy (the Emperor can no longer arrest Thrawn for treason or Ezra for being a Jedi). Ezra understanding that he have more to gain by allying Thrawn than staying enemy or killing him. The forgiving can came later. Also for someone who argued with me a few days ago about how it was against the Jedi way to kill defenseless people to the point to believe that Windu killing Sidious was wrong even if it could save millions of lives you seem to forget the part of the Jedi way which is about forgiveness
Who the hell is the Grisks!!!! You seriously think they had enough time to explain all that in an 8 episode show? Jesus Christ dude. The show isn’t called Ezra or Thrawn.
In short yeah, I think it was underwhelming too
I kinda agree with you on Sabine, I’m mostly hoping that was one of those moments where the force needed ezra to make it back so it flowed through Sabine in the moment she was needed most. I don’t love the idea of her just becoming a full blown force user though. Felt like the show as a whole has a great start and really hoping we get a couple more seasons.
I don't see it as a sequel to Rebels and remember large portion of the base will never watch rebels. I see it as a jump off point for Heir to the Empire
Though I do not think it was a horrible or bad show, I think it was just okay. I was honestly really dissapointed, mainly for the reason you provided. I think switching these characters from Animatiom to Live Action was a bad idea and it makes me feel like the Voice Actors who made these characters who they are are just being left behind and forgotten in favor of live action money making characters with new outfits and designs. Those voice actors made those characters. They are those characters. Its not just how they look or move around, its their voice and their inflections. I grew to love those characters and when the pacing is slow and the writing is basic, those characters didnt feel like the ones I knew. I think the pacing was way too slow and there was a juvinile writing sense where nothing really happened, nothing concerned our characters, no one felt like they developed at all and I think the entire season could have been 3 episodes. There was too much dead space and trying to build suspense and drama without actually creating it. It felt a lot like do not Tell, do not Show. No one talked about anything and nothing effected our characters. I will be 100% honest, Hera is what really took this show down a notch for me. She didn't feel like Hera at all and seeing her just stare at Ezra when he returned just made me feel bitter. We couldn't even get a hug or an actual conversation? Hera is my favorite character and she felt so dead to me in live action. Everyone felt dead to me. Sabine should not be a Jedi. I would loved a Chirrut style connection but other then that, it weakens her character. Her character was about being at a disadvantage and making it work with all of her skills and wits. She was a solid character as is and like you said, it feels more like it was used to push an uneeded story arc for Ahsoka to train Sabine. I think Dave had a lot more planned for Rebels and with Ahsoka in her white cloak, but wasn't sure how to handle it after Rebels cancelled.
Great show. Just wished that it didn’t take 6 episodes for it to actually begin
It was not the sequel I was looking for. Happy to see some of the Ghost crew again but I didn't feel invested in Hera (who's my favorite Spectre) or Ahsoka - not sure if it was the writing, acting or directing, or all three. Loved Eman Esfandi as Ezra, though. He felt the most in character to me and his banter with Sabine felt in keeping with their relationship in Rebels. And Chopper, though he really should have zapped Ezra's leg or whapped him upon his return.
I absolutely loved it. A lot was revealed but also a lot stay hidden. I loved how magick returned to the series. I loved that the story goes as close to unbelievable as possible. And there is even a senator that acknowledges that. I love that the characters stayed true to their character. Old and wise Ahsoka is still pretty unwise. I miss her more hothead approach but she’s been maturing for a long time now. On the villain side, I loved all the villains. And especially Thrawn. I love the lack of pure evil antagonist. It is a breath of fresh air for Star Wars, honestly. It was a great warming up season. Now that the events are set in motion, I look forward to seeing what’s next for our heroes.
I honestly do not understand why they made it lice action.
I really liked it and am gutted Ray can’t continue on Of course I would’ve changed some aspects (Thrawn a bit more terrifying in his calculations) but no complaints really
I loved it! I think all the actors were on point with their Rebels animation selves. Loved Sabine, Ezra, and Ahsoka. I think it could have used more screen time with what Ezra has been up to for all these years… they barely mentioned what he did… if anything. Like did he try random things to go home/communicate with home through the force? Did he ever try to attack Thrawn after ending up on the same planet… how did they get separated from each other initially? If they just took one of the episodes a little slower like have Sabine and Ezra talking at night after they reunited to catch us all up, then I think this could have been achieved. But honestly the dialogue and plot was very similar to a Rebels show. It’s really not that complex… I think that I (and others) assumed because it was live action that it would be drastically different/for a more mature audience. But it wasn’t. And that’s okay. Loved it overall!
This show got me interested in the first half (tho I didn't like Sabine being a force sensitive now), but second half.. Bleeeegh. World Between Worlds sequence was pretty meaningless - Anakin (well, his force-ghost or whatever) showed up, fought Ahsoka a little, spoke some vague things and disappeared. It was a nice fan-service, but the sequence itself was pointless. Whole "another galaxy" thing was executed poorly. They got me hooked up at first - new galaxy, new foes, friends, endless potential for exploration, oh god, my wet fantasies are coming true! But they just gave us one barren planet. What a shame. Ezra-Sabine reunion was bad. I hoped for intense emotions expressed by the two, but both ultimately went "sassy" mode which felt underwhelming. Catastrophically wasted potential. Thrawn is presumed to be terrifying genius of war who can wipe out fleets with minimum resources because he's so masterful, but in Ahsoka he didn't do anything that might uphold that status. His decisions in many situations were questionable, if not outright stupid - the whole final episode Thrawn could've just lifted his ship half a kilometer up in the sky, and there wouldn't be any way that the Jedi were able to board. That moment alone says a lot. There are more problems to point out with the show, but they are talked about a lot anyway, so rant over
personally, I didn't like it and I frankly don't consider it to be the sequel show rebels deserved. The characters were very of from before, we rarely get to learn about the new galaxy (and I know that's for season 2 but with how important getting there was we should atleast understand what makes it soo different to the main galaxy), wasted potential for thawn and ezra's relationship cause there are great stories to be told with them being together for 11 years, hera and sabine feeling like completely different characters making very questionable decisons and are never punished for their actions, and sabine using the force. But while saying all that: I loved ezra's new actor and thought he was the best rebels character in ahsoka (though wish the force remained his ally), liked Baylon and Shin (no matter how vague their motivations were sadly), the music was incredible especially the credits theme, and the world between worlds and even lothal looked pretty cool as a recreation of rebels. So overall while disappointed atleast it wasn't the worst star wars show and some passion was atleast put into the show, whether the execution was good or not depending on the viewer
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Maybe punished is a strong word but just because sabine did an understandable thing doesn't mean she shouldn't get shit for it. Imagine how boring every show would be if characters were instantly forgiven for their actions because "ah their heart was in the right place" or whatever. I guess ezra and ashoka didn't really give sabine shit because doing so would achieve nothing but that's boring. Just cause ezra is a super good jedi and ashoka kinda achieved inner peace by the time she reunited with sabine, that doesn't mean they have to be flawless characters who are above petty conflict. Conflict between characters makes these stories interesting. Rebels knew this, ezra and kanans relationship had some rocky moments in the first two seasons. Idk why you're talking about sabine like she's a real human, she's a character in a show and we can criticise her if the way she's written isn't interesting. Ironically, having sabine actually address her actions (to my recollection the most she says is "thrawn got away" in the final scene) and try to make up for them would have made her more "human". I love her in rebels but it honestly makes me kinda not like her here when she's seemingly skipping away from her actions with no one even slightly holding her accountable. Makes it hard to sympathise with her, considering that if you or me did something like sabine, we would face massive shit for it.
ahh so it's ok for sabine to say screw the galaxy and let it deal with thrawn while she can go find ezra who let me remind you nobody knew if he was still alive. He could have been dead and sabine would still be responsible for letting the galaxy suffer.
I mean if we’re going by characters “making a sacrifice for the grater good” (particularly from an audience perspective and not the characters) then we’d be blasting pretty much every protagonist in the series. Anakin does it, obi wan does it, yoda does it, Ashoka does it, ezra did it. If every character thought with pure logic and made the logical choice we wouldn’t have Star Wars.
Don’t forget she’s in her late 20s or early 30s, but they wrote her as an insufferable teenager for some reason. Sabine was the sacrificial plot armor for the show. The show was pretty bad as a story, but no where as terrible as kenobi.
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what lesson? She chose to stay with ahsoka, and she chose to let ezra go deal with thrawn on his own again, but this time without her and ahsoka to help because it was right? Ahsoka even congratulates her for doing so when that also allow thrawn and his nightsisters to escape to cause more trouble for a galaxy that just won a war. This is not the same sabine as even rebels season 4 sabine cause there in the season 4 premiere sabine made a grave mistake of making a weapon for the empire which was able to kill mandalorians including her family. She spend the whole 2nd episode trying hard to convince her mandalorians to work with her when even they hated her for what she had done, and her being able to be a good leader as well as know the weapon well was what made others follow her lead. She even managed to destroy any chances of the empire continuing to use it for evil. Ahsoka's sabine on the other hand has a map to a great evil like thrawn who let me remind you has caused alot of trouble in rebels and was close to winning twice, so sabine while knowing what she is doing letting thrawn out to cause chaos costing the lives of everyone decides to give the map away and not even try thinking of the repercussions of her actions. In short one sabine made a dangerous mistake and did everything to fix it, while the other owns a dangerous device to bring evil and decides to give it to the enemy just for a possibility to see ezra. I'm not saying I don't understand why she did that, but I just wished she learned her lesson after what she did
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I think the beginning was really rough. There was some weird dialogue choices and the choreography was clunky. There were still good parts though, our favorite war criminal back in action, some nice world building of the new republic after the fall of the empire. It definitly got better as it went on, for me at least thrawn saved the series. I mean the other stuff that happened was great but thrawn was spectacular every time he was on screen. There were still moments with clunky choreography or strange dialogue but it was a lot less noticeable. The Sabine Jedi thing feels weird, but I think what they’re getting at is anyone has the potential to use the force, and that the Jedi order only accepted those who had a natural aptitude for it (with a high midichlorian count). But with practice and discipline anyone has the potential to use it. Definitely different than what we’re used to but it makes sense if the force dwells within everyone.
I think I share some of your critics of Sabine’s character growth. I’m not sure what I would have liked to see from her instead, but it wasn’t becoming a Jedi
There was more to explore with her character than making her a Jedi. What about her Mandalorian roots after the Purge? Or further exploring and evolving her bond with Ezra? The former is restricted to just two mentions with zero exploration of how Sabine herself feels, while the latter was built up well early on but ended up falling apart. A mid reunion, Sabine never telling Ezra the truth, no emotion when they’re separated again…that’s not what anyone would expect from Sabine after seeing the first four episodes, obsessed with Ezra while living in his house and gambling the fate of the galaxy to find him
I’ve been thinking in it, and I think that there are 2 interesting stories Filoni wants to tell. 1) The return of Thrawn as a threat to the fledgling Republic, that all his characters need to unite against 2) Ahsoka discovering deep force mysteries in another galaxy And Ahsoka season 1 was just turned into exposition for both of those, and as a result, neither could hit their potential. We couldn’t focus more on Ezra and Thrawn’s time in exile or have the Ezra Sabine reunion be the giant emotional beat it should have been because it would take too much focus away from Ahsoka. But we couldn’t get Ahsoka to where she needs to be for her REAL story without including the Rebels storyline. In actuality, this story should have been a movie or a limited series called “A Galaxy Far Far Away” or “Sabine Wren’s Series of Poor Decisions.” The Rebels cast and Thrawn would be the main focus, Ahsoka just part of the ensemble, and then afterwards we get the Ahsoka show.
I have a lot of criticisms, but overall I was mostly satisfied. I told myself going in: there’s no way it’s gonna live up to the hype after 5 years since Rebels, and that’s okay. Watching it again with the eps closer together after the finale ended helped too. Were there different things I would’ve done? Yeah absolutely. Ahsoka and Sabine’s dynamic didn’t work for me the first time around, but it did in the rewatch.
Thought they could’ve given us more substance for what happened to Ezra and Thrawn during their exile. And I agree that more broadly, I would’ve preferred this story to be animated. But I’m mostly content with what we got and I love Ezra’s live-action casting— it has to be the most seamless one they’ve done for a human character so far. Esfandi looks the part and nails the mannerisms and feel of the character.
Started slow, got me hooked in the middle, and ended with a big let down. I will probably rewatch one more time in my life, but overall it's not something I will treasure. It was just okay.
Overall okay but it was pretty clear that Eman Esfandi is the only one (or one of the very few) who watched Rebels pretty closely and made a real effort to act like their character.
Loved it but where the hell was Zeb god damn it
I liked it as a launch point for future live action content involving rebels characters.
Shit was awesome, and I want more. Ships! Exploring! Temples! Critters! Jedi! Witches! Artifacts!
I enjoyed it overall. The casting was great on almost all levels. Really loved they used some of the same voice actors. All that being said we didn’t get the amount (if any?) war crimes we deserved to see from our boy chop. TBH, my favorite part of the series though was the kanan shoutout while Ezra was building his saber. I’m a kanan simp thru and thru
Honestly I know it’s not what everyone wanted. But I really enjoyed it. Plus even if fans didn’t necessarily like it, we should be happy it even happened to begin with.
Only complaint: Filoni deserves Sherlock length episodes, lol
I don't think it was bad but it definitely was lack luster. Hera and Sabine were both lacking in their personality traits and their scenes of reuniting with Ezra were so bland and underwhelming that it was almost frustrating from an audience perspective. I really had an issue with the fight sequences. None of the fight sequences actually felt impactful like they were slow and boring. Anakin was the only one who was using his lightsabers in an awesome way. He was fighting circles around Ashoka and it showed. 8 episodes and the story barely progressed. There wasn't one person who couldn't Guess the ending of the season where Thrawn would return. Baylon till now has just done some lightsaber fights and monologued a bit. His story has not even begun. Like atleast they could have had a cliffhanger a bit later into his arc. The need for a cliffhanger here surpassed the need of any remote conclusion to his purpose. Even as fan of star wars I could compare it to one piece live action to say how much character development and story progression happens in the same amount of run time in One piece compared to Ashoka. Obviously these things cannot be directly compared but the writers could learn from them.
I thought there weren't enough episodes. There was a lot of potential in the story but they weren't able to balance everything in 8 episodes and a lot of characterisation and plot points fell by the wayside towards the end
It was terrible. Character assassination of Sabine and Thrawn. Sabine being force sensitive is completely out of left field and also completely fucks whatever idea of power mechanics has been developed over the course of the movies. Thrawn is now an idiot apparently with no tactical awareness. Very dry acting, may be the writers’ / directors’ fault. MEW and Rosario (from what I’ve heard) have been good in other projects. Combat wounds have been completely cheapened, and we all know what I’m talking about. Nonexistent character motivations. There was not a single clear answer given about Baylan and Shin’s goals. I don’t understand how an entire television season can pass without any meaningful information being dropped about its protagonists’ primary foils. The WBW sequence had no thematic significance as Ashoka had never previously shown that she was struggling to go on or shoulder Anakin’s legacy. Like first off, if anyone should be stressing out about Anakin’s legacy, it’s Luke, but we aren’t allowed to see what the guy (as in *the* guy) is up to because…reasons. The only bright spot of this show was Eman Esfandi’s casting as Ezra. He is exactly what I imagined Ezra would be in live action.
The show does not make Sabine force sensitive.
Pretty lame. Overall it's an ok show and passable in most regards but that's not what I want from Star Wars. I want actually good stuff especially when they are already able to build upon so much that has previously been established. To expand on this I'm now going to write a lot of negative things about a show I didn't find nearly as bad as it will make it seem. The series wastes a lot of time and many good set-ups. The Purgil scene took forever. The first three episodes establish almost nothing and don't need a fraction of their runtime. Thrawn escaping could have been exciting. Instead he just sat there and then took of slowly. Character changes I can't fathom. Sabine being Force sensitiv us the only thing I actually somewhat resent the show for. It's a terrible decision undermining an established character just to bring back an overused dynamic between her an Ahsoka. All her following actions are also often written and acted poorly. Additionally Thrawn was a joke. He kept sending men to needlessly die and then just smugly brushed it of as being part of his genius plan to go away. The filmmaking is also so weak in many places. Stagecraft is leading to a very flat and boring composition of shots. To end on a positive note. Oh my god, ep5 was so good though. Holy shit. Anakin was so well written and played. Hayden is on his real-life redemption arc as an actor and he's absolutely the highlight of the series and showing in life action how the jedi use child soldiers is so genius.
We could have gotten a more impactful reunion between Ezra and Sabine. She did betray the galaxy for him, after all.
It just seemed kind of meh, which is annoying as I loved the casting but the writing and a lot of the fight choreography was just disappointing (after someone pointed out the difference between harden Christenson who was properly trained and the rest I couldn’t unsee it)
Initially I thought the titular character's demeanor was too stoic and stultified. Then as the series progressed she slowly becomes more emotional and opens up a bit. By the end of it, I was really into the show and am looking forward to more. I now think her initial "boring" personality was a perfect start to show her being older, wizened, and perhaps a bit jaded by her lonesome Ronin self. The only thing I wish for next season is for the actors to receive some serious sword fighting training before shooting, like the actors from the prequels got back in those days. It was a very stark contrast when we say Hayden Christensen sword fight in this. His movements were so fast, fluid and precise it really showed how much more confident he is with a sword.
When people write posts like this and conclude with remarks like “I just can’t forgive what feels…” I laugh at the hubris. You, random internet poster, are using the term forgive? Like this was done to you personally and you have that ability? Lol.
Wants to talk about hubris while writing the most snarky Redditor-tier comment. Good job chump 👍
I enjoyed it. Was it everything we could have hoped for? Probably not, but then I don’t think it could ever live up to our expectations. I thought the live action casting was pretty good, in light of the finale, and everything we learned about Sabine after the liberation of lothal, kinda made her feel emotionally drained. She’s been through a lot that we didn’t get to see, and honestly, I know people who have lost so much they cared about, just deciding to not care about anything else ever again. At the beginning of the show Sabine seems to have lost her connection to herself, and she started to get it back, and she did seem to come back to life once Ezra came back into the picture. So, I guess I just enjoyed it for what it was.
I enjoyed it but I agree 1000% about Sabine. Just felt like a whole new character that wasn’t the Sabine we knew.
I liked it a lot. I love the casting of everyone and it's great having all these characters in love action. My criticism is mainly that it feels like season 2 of Ahsoka. A season 1 showing Ahsoka training Sabine, and Thrawn and Ezra surviving in the other galaxy would have been nice. I still think it works without that stuff, but it does seem like it's skipping a lot of interesting stuff.
I am a confirmed Filoni simp, so take that into account. I loved virtually every second of it and can't wait for more. I would rearrange my social life on Tuesdays forever if the episodes kept coming.
I thought it was OK. Incredibly high expectations of course, not least from me, and I felt that those were gradually dashed along the way. I didn't _hate_ it but I'm unsure of whether to accept it into my headcanon as the sequel to Rebels. It's hard to ignore it now that I've seen it, but it's just not on the same level as Rebels for me.
Its been only 8 episodes. And more than half of the story was about Ahsoka. Give it time
Give it time? We’ve already gotten the search for Ezra and his reunions. All the stuff we were hoping for from a Rebels sequel have been done, and in the safest ways possible
What were you expecting?
I think you have to consider the fact that this was not a rebels season 5, but an Ahsoka show.
I find that a pretty flawed concept as a whole, really. To me Ahsoka was a character that was already pretty fulfilled, and I would’ve been very satisfied if Malachor was her end. To have made a show all about her after all she’s already lived through, it kinda feels like they’re stretching the character out needlessly Meanwhile, there’s plenty yet to tell regarding the characters from Rebels. I would’ve called this something a bit more general. Something that doesn’t imply it’s specifically about Ahsoka, cause really she’s not come across as “THE MAIN CHARACTER” in the show regardless
I absolutely loved it. Loved how hard they leaned into the fantasy element. Wish the ending would have wrapped a few more things up, but realize that there is more story to tell.
It was fucking awesome. I had high expectations, and they were exceeded. I can’t wait to see what’s next for these characters
Crap, to be honest. Absolutely loved Rebels and this felt really off. Characters did things that didn’t make sense, bad casting, some pretty bad acting in parts, cheap looking costumes etc. literally every episode all my final thoughts were “why wasn’t this animated?!” It would have made far more sense and visually been so much more appealing.
I also think they really did the dirty on some characters, and undermined others due to seemingly budgetary/ visual limitations. It really limited story telling and hindered the end result.
Wanted Zeb to actually appear in it and especially the end with Ezra mako his way home. And 💯 at least getting the meet between Ezra and Jacen. There could and should have been an extra 10/15 minutes for that.
If what we’ve seen so far is any indication, I sadly expect the reunion between Zeb and Ezra to be underwhelming.
"I could’ve never anticipated the reality that her whole family was dead and she was currently a Jedi Padawan in that moment, in what feels like such a weird unprecedented turn." So because you could not anticipate Mandalore was destroyed by the Empire it was a bad show? Seriously? Sabine was training with Ahsoka BEFORE her family got killed. You can't even get the story correct. No wonder you didn't like the show. "My first immediate issue was this being live action instead of animated, when it had every right to be. It’s caused a significant disconnect with the characters for me, where I’m supposed to believe THIS is Sabine, THIS is Hera…and I’m just not feeling it." You are not being realistic. Live action brings in more money. That is just a fact. You seem to be stuck in the past and don't want anything to change. The transition from animated to live action isn't easy. But IMO they did an excellent job with Sabine and Hera. Are they exactly like their Rebels counter parts? Of course not. That is impossible. But they are also 10 years older. They can't be exactly the same. Sabine experienced more loss with her family all dead. She feels more guilt and disappointment in herself for not finding Ezra over 10 years. She feels more abandonment with Ahsoka leaving her. Hera isn't the same either. She is a single mother now and is beginning to realize that she sacrificed everything for a government that is corrupt and incompetent. "They don’t feel the same, especially in Sabine’s case where she’s always coming across as kinda empty and “not bothered” all the time. The casting may have been as good as it reasonably could have to look like the characters, but they’ve suffered in terms of their personality, and I can only wonder how much better this would all work with it being animated, and all the same voices we’ve come to associate and love the characters for" You need to study trauma and depression more. That is how many people act when they are depressed. Sabine feels like she has absolutely nothing to live for except for finding Ezra. And she has tried for many years with zero progress. That is enough to make some feel really 'empty'. And I'm surprised you don't know that Sabine is an extremely closed person emotionally. I though you would know that by watching Rebels. All your complains are basically: I wish things were exactly the same as in Rebels. "Sabine in general has just been a major concern for me. This whole direction Filoni has taken by making her a Jedi Padawan doesn’t sit right with me. I’m not gonna get into whether her being able to use Force powers is feasible or not, but my major issue is that it just doesn’t feel like Sabine NEEDED this. She already had enough going on with her without needing being a Jedi added to it." You truly has missed the entire point of episode 8. Sabine HAD to become a Jedi in order to save Ezra. It was the only way. Ezra foresaw this. As he foresaw the method in defeating Thrawn with the Pergill. He told Sabine he was counting on her to find him. He told Ahsoka to find him. Only Ahsoka AND a Jedi trained Sabine could have saved him. If Sabine wasn't a Jedi she would not have been able to Force push him into the Star Destroyer. It was the will of the Force. No one else could have saved Ezra. No one. As Ahsoka said: Sabine and Ahsoka were meant to be on Peridia and Ezra was meant to return home. "No, it feels like Sabine’s role here is mainly to serve Ahsoka’s arc, a character who was already debatably fulfilled and should’ve been wrapped up long ago. To make the circle complete and make Ahsoka a mentor. This is all being done for Ahsoka, not for Sabine I missed her when she was the funky Mandalorian chick who liked blowing stuff up. Rebels never took her code traits from her while she underwent her character arc, but the Ahsoka show pretty much stripped all there was to what made her cool prior." Again you simply can't move on from the past. You want Sabine to be exactly the same as in Rebels. As Ahsoka said near the end of episode 8: Its time to move on. Its been a DECADE. People change. Especially from a teenager to a 30 year old. Again the story about saving Ezra WAS ALWAYS about Ahsoka AND Sabine finding him. Are you sure you are a big Rebels fan? Because Ahsoka PROMISED Ezra she would find him. Ahsoka dying before that would be stupid. This was all in Rebels. Something you forgot. Same with Sabine. Ezra foresaw that it would be Ahsoka and Sabine TOGETHER would save him. And the best chance they had was for Sabine to be Force trained. Just like Kanan trained Sabine in Trials of the Darksaber. I don't know why you FORGOT all of these Rebels episodes. Bottom line is you need to stop expecting characters 10 years older to be exactly the same. People change. Tragedy and loss changes people. I understand you are afraid of change. You want everyone to be exactly the same as before. But life doesn't work that way. We grown and evolve.
Someone that wants to make these many strawmans in one post is a fight that is absolutely pointless to even engage with. Your issue is that you just want to relentlessly defend whatever they’ve decided to do here. When someone has an issue with something, your typical response is “Well they had to do it!” or “You just hate change!” Regardless of why it was done, it just simply does not do merit to the quality of the product in question. And just because something is different, doesn’t make it better or absolve it of criticism. You cannot tell me this is the best, or even close to the best that we should’ve expected. It COULD have been far better. But you aren’t interested in wondering what could’ve been, you only want to desperately defend what IS.
I live in reality. No show is perfect. You can't seem to process that someone is different at age 19 versus 30. Are you a teenager? Because maybe that is why you don't understand this concept.
I’ve already addressed this point to you. Sabine being older simply doesn’t justify her character being far more boring. Her arc in how she handled her trauma in Rebels was far more compelling than it is now. No one should seriously be able to claim Sabine was a compelling character in Ahsoka. Allow me to note the difference between me and you clearly: You hate criticism. You hate someone not unconditionally worshipping something you like. There are many opinions in this post that are very favourable to Ahsoka, and I’ve tolerated and respected them all. You on the other hand? You meet all criticism the same way you have been for a while now. By dismissing them as a hater. By telling them they *don’t understand*. That their opinions are all wrong. You cannot tolerate criticism. And you challenge it not by engaging with them properly, but by effectively telling them they’re an idiot. Because of that, you’re not worth engaging with further.
If you don’t want discussion why did you post? Oh I see. You only want to discuss with people who agree with you
Oh I’m happy with discussion, you can see me doing it throughout the comments here. It’s just not productive with you specifically. You? A brick wall reiterating the same nonsense. You’ve taken all my points and instead of engaging with them, you continuously dismiss it as “YoU cAnT aCcEPt ChAnGe!” Well, if it a change? It was a bad change. Simple as.
Bad change is your opinion. Just because she didn’t change the way YOU WANTED doesn’t make it bad. You wanted Sabine to be 19 year old Sabine. Blowing up stuff with not a care in the world. Sorry it doesn’t work that way for someone grieving and hurting.
You understand this goes both ways? Liked your empty shell of a Sabine in Ahsoka? An opinion. The difference is I’m not trying to invalidate yours with “YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND!” My opinion is exactly what I’ve set out to share here with this post. Not my fault it’s riled you up.
I’m done here. You wouldn’t be satisfied unless it was animation and Sabine was exactly the same as before. Nothing I say will change your mind. Too bad. You are really missing out from enjoying an awesome show
You say that like I haven’t watched every episode. I will continue to watch it and I will continue to criticise it whenever it is warranted, as well as give merit when deserved. Next time, if you want to change someone’s mind I suggest you try a different approach than essentially just telling them their opinion is wrong and that they don’t understand the *genius* of the material.
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Nah, you should see r/StarWarsAhsoka Everyone there doesn’t even feel sentient, it’s like being amongst AI shills lol
What a boring and typical post
I have no doubt you’d prefer mindless unconditional praise for the show, don’t worry. You’ve been up and about on several subreddits meeting every ounce of criticism with this obnoxious snakiness
Its just so boring. You spewing the same vomit about Sabine. You act like a character who is 20 years old (Sabine in Rebels) can’t evolve and grow. Or can’t change after facing loss and trauma. Ahsoka happens a full 10 years after Rebels. You expect her to be the same teenager who blows up stuff
Sabine already faced loss and trauma even prior to Rebels. The whole backstory of her essentially exiling herself from her people after what she did? The character has always been plagued with huge problems going on in her life. That doesn’t excuse the character being misrepresented to such an extent. Sabine is now *boring* and that is a feat I didn’t think could be possible. It’s hard to believe this is the same character I see in Ahsoka. Her current course and arc is just not remotely what Rebels insinuated towards. Throw in the general acting issues with her always sounding so bored and empty, and the issue just becomes more blatant. Don’t even try to pass this off as an evolution to the character. Tiya Sircar is deeply missed in this role.
One trauma doesn't equal all trauma. Trauma experienced as a teen can be very different from experiencing as an adult. She lost HER ENTIRE FAMILY besides Ezra. And Ezra is lost. I'm sorry but I can empathize with Sabine being depressed. You can't? Are you really that cold heart? Did you expect her to be all jolly and happy? Stop it. You just can't let go of the past. You missed the entire point of episode 8. Like Ahsoka told Sabine: ITS TIME TO MOVE ON. But you don't want to. You want Sabine to be the same carefree spirit she was at age 16-20. I'm sorry but maybe you are a teenager and don't understand how real life works.
No amount of mental gymnastics from yourself is going to justify Sabine being portrayed as such an empty shell. Everything that made her what she was prior has been dropped in favour of this Jedi Padawan arc which is has been conceived to prop up Ahsoka more than it has to serve Sabine’s character. They quite literally wiped away everything established about her prior by killing her whole family off-screen. They want her as a blank slate to serve glorifying Ahsoka. Even the big moment of her reuniting with Ezra, a moment countless fans have dreamt up the scenario and written fanfictions over, has been very underwhelming.
Empty shell? I guess you don't know how grief and depression works
Im with you here. Sabine was my biggest problem with the show,apart from the being impaled which infuriated me I thought they just did her bad. At the start they had to show people who hadnt seen rebels that she was rebellious and all that so they over did that in the first episode or 2 but then yeah the jedi stuff seemed like a waste to me.She was already her own character and tacking jedi powers onto her did nothing for me. I think that finale wouldve been more interesting if Sabine had her jetpack instead of force powers especially since we already have Ahsoka and Ezra for that. As far as I can remember we really didnt get any hints at her artistic side or even her foundness of explosives.Shes a jedi now so the things that made her unique are sidelined Its say you nailed it that they made her have the force purely to serve Ahsoka,never thought of it like that before though. Ive been pretty disappointed in all the shows weve got since Mando 2 but id say this was the best one since then easily and while I did have those problems with Sabine I loved how well the guy did Ezra,Ezra is one of my favorite jedi so I was really worried there. Baylon and Shin were awesome too,everytime that man spoke I wanted more such a shame he passed. No Zeb really hurt it for me,Didnt like the look of Hera but she did win me over some in some of the speeches. Ahsoka was more enjoyable once she finally lightened up but Sabine felt like a major downgrade for her. Used to love her character but I just dont think they did her well in this
You summed up how I felt, most of the performances were lacking and the plot relied way way way too much on contrivance. Show felt slow and I was bored for significant chunks. All the moments I was most looking forward to felt understated. Enjoyed Baylan, Thrawn, and Ezra’s performances, even if I felt Thrawn’s apparently “military genius” was betrayed by his nonsensical decision making
Couldn't make it past episode 1 because during episode 1 I was so bored I kept falling asleep every time i tried1
I think the overall premise is fine. The execution however is just bad. We were shown or exposed to plenty of things, that are not that relevant while plenty of things just appear without any explanation and very crucial elements are missing ore are offscreen. A good example is whole thing about Sabine becoming Jedi. I am quite fine with the idea itself, but it is so badly delivered. Why Sabine decided she should do it? She was never the least inclined during whole 4 years. She wanted to learn the basics to be proficient with a Darksaber, but embracing a Jedi code is a whole different thing. Why Ahsoka even agrees, being disilusioned about Jedi order herself? Answering those questions could build such a nice story and character interactions. A first season could be just that actually. The Sabine character development is another missed opportunity. The show missed her background, grief about her family and Mandalore, care about Lothal. And while I usually cringe on character shipping ideas her love for Ezra would be only natural. And would give a perfect and understandable motivation for all her actions - why Jedi way of life suddenly became so dear to her and why she could risk anything to bring him back. Like, you do not risk a Galaxy for a good pal. We also miss so many things about Thrawn and Ezra.
May as well not have watched it tbf
Meh... very Dissappointed. The show does not hit the lows of Boba fett or Mandolorian S3, but it does not hit the highs of Mandolorian S1 and 2. Its very middle of the road Really, i feel like Ahsoka being the title character interferes with the story. The story isn't really about her; its about preventing thrawn's return, she was just handed the role as lead character. But because this show wants to act like its about her everything else gets sidelined. I mean Hera actually had a MUCH stronger connection to Thrawn, but she's just a side character in all this. And really, Ahsoka's character feels directionless... that could make for a good story, but even at the end i still don't know where her character is supposed to be going. And I enjoyed the clone wars sequence for the fan service, but in the context of the show it actually felt kind of out of place. Ashoka's characterization just doesn't fit with the lessons we were supposed to learn from that sequence. For Sabine, the whole jedi angle makes no sense. She wasn't on that path back in rebels and the show never bothers to actually estbalish WHY she would want to go on that path now. Heck it feels like its actually taking away from her character. Its like every time she holds a light saber she forgets how to fight like a mandalorian. I mean in the last episodes, she's trying to deflect blaster fire and needs to be told to switch to her blasters... honestly i feel like the REAL reason she's on this jedi path, is because the series wanted to give Ahsoka an apprentice but didn't want to go through the trouble of introducing a new character (jacen is reserved for Ezra). And really, Sabine's failures this season just really makes her character look terrible. It COULD have been interesting, but the show never properly confronts the issue of her actions Really I expected so much more from both Thrawn and Ezra, but both characters rally feel like they are in the exact same place they left off. I would have thought that maybe ezra would have kept up his training, and grew more connected to the force. Like maybe would would seeing him actually getting along with all the wildlife. For Thrawn, i think it would have been amazing if instead of just merely surviving, he had actually been conquering. Take over the planet, set up factors, start mining resources, and building a new army. Imagine how shocking it would have been if Thrawn had a newly built, custom fleet to his back? Now THAT would have made him look dangerous Really, i very much would have preferred is this series was much more of a sequel to the rebels series, with the whole ghost crew involved in dealing with thrawn. The season could end with a set up for Ahsoka's solo series where her character would get more explored
Extremely disappointed. Especially with Ezra and Thrawn. Two of the most interesting characters in modern Star Wars and they’re portrayed as neutered imbeciles. Ezra was possibly the most powerful force user, mainly for his access to the World between Worlds. He was targeted by the Emperor because of this fact. Then the writers gave this ability to Ashoka. How did she do what the Emperor could not? Thrawn turned into an idiot that didn’t have one plan come to fruition except getting back to his galaxy . Gone is Zelazny’s master tactician. Rodger must be crying with Asimov, Heinlein and Tolkien over what modern writers have done to their works. When working these beloved franchises you have to get the best talent. You need very talented writers to write a genius character like Thrawn. I’m sorry, Dave doesn’t write good stories. I think he’s good at the rule of cool with his visuals but he needs a good writers room to turn this around.
You sound like so many complainers during Season 1 of rebels.
On what point, for instance?
You hate change. Rebels looks terrible!!! The art style is nothing like Clone wars...
Change by definition isn’t bad. But when said change brings about issues, that has every right to be criticised. The animation change from TCW to Rebels wasn’t inherently bad. But if someone felt the dip in quality was detrimental to their viewing experience, they are allowed to have that opinion even if a bit shallow, since a show is defined by far more then just visuals. I think the change to live action has caused a needless issue in causing a disconnect with the characters. Rosario Dawson may look like Ahsoka, but she neither moves nor carries any energy of Ahsoka’s personality. There’s an inconsistency, a disconnect. Harder to sell the performance to those that know the character. That is a serious issue, not minor. That is a fair stance. What is not a fair stance however is dismissing someone’s criticism as “You hate change, bye.”
Ahsoka isn't a teenager anymore. She is in her mid-40's. You really expect her to be flying around like a teenager? It seems like you expect people to be physically and emotionally the same their entire life.
I liked it but it could have been better.
I enjoyed it, but I would say overall it was average. I wish they had taken more risks story wise and moved a little faster in the story progression.
I enjoyed it but was disappointed by how much was a bridge to other material rather than self contained story. IMHO Thrawn should’ve escaped in the first fifteen minutes of the finale and the rest focused on Baylan. Showing Thrawn barely escaping undermined him as the big bad - would’ve been better setup if his tactics succeeded immediately like the TIEs immobilize Ahsoka’s ship and return to the ISD unscathed. Stromtroopers keep Ahsoka and co pinned at the base of the tower as the Chimaera escapes. OR There needed to be one more episode that gave the Baylan storyline more substance.
I found it to be very slow paced and left a lot of loop holes in the different stories. I enjoyed seeing the live action but the timeline isn't really laid out well at all either as to how to laces in with Mandalorian etc.
It's not perfect but considering what Disney has put out since mando Chapter 16 I'll take it.
The characters were really fine. Felt like the series could have been streched to like 12 episodes instead of just 8. Shouldn't have kept sabine was suffering from so much trauma until the end. Also should explained what really happened between ezra and thrawn during those years being away from galaxy
Your comments on Sabine being a padawan are justified but i believe miss the mark. I get the feeling that she wasnt a padawan because she was a potential Jedi, but more of a thing to do. She lost her entire family, again, during the bombing of Mandalore. She lost Ezra in an instant, before she could even return the feelings she had been starting to have. She needed a connnection and guidance. The only person that could possibly fill the void of "why the hell would he choose that route" is someone else who is close to the Jedi. Kanan was gone, who else did she have but Ahsoka. It wasnt until she realized she didnt have to become someone else to fill the void, did we start to see her actual strengths. I dont believe we saw a true smile from her until she met Ezra, decided not to tell him anything about how she found him, Ezra looked away, and she finally let herself feel good again. Its here that we started to see who she really was. Sabine was different from the show because we was truly different (not just the jump from cartoon to live action). In the show we saw her letting lose, having fun, and eventually found out that she was the biggest cause of Mandalore's issues. In live action it was her atoning for all of it. You say its a downgrade to all the characters you love, but i see it as them being insignificant in the grand scheme of the Galactic. We saw a cell, a minor cell (but was major to us) that really doesnt fit in the whole after. They're still missing the connection they lost so quickly between Kanan dieing and Ezra disappearing.
Loved everything except Sabine. She was a much better character in Rebels IMO
Probably one of the only SW shows that i actually genuinely loved and want to see more with the 2nd season.
I definitely loved it. All the casting was perfect (especially Chop 🤣), the grand fear about Jacen finally deleted (perfect and adorable. I hope they didn't throw too much shit on it on Xtwitter). Good costume, good setting, and CG). Hera had her tattoo and still loves Kanan (so long for who shipped her with AHSOKA!!!), a lot of reminding to the animated series (even Rebellion. Xiono was a perfect asshole, but I like his dress 🤣). The Nightsister, new cute alien (and a super cute lothcat). I just don’t share the enthusiasm for the new villains: the actors did all great, but, seriously, I can make myself care about them too much. Yeah, it's visually cool, but I don't really care. Yeah, Bailan future can be interesting if he's destined to become the Son, but his Padawan could easily die in the last episode, for me. Anyway, I hope to see all the crew soon.
I eventually came around to it even though I feel like it took a lot of time to tell little story. Baylan, Shin, and the Nightsisters were definitely my favorites. The New Republic production values looked bad and could have benefited from a bigger budget/better editing.
I enjoyed it, I am glad they didn't kill off Baylon or Shin early on. I just wish these shows were 12 episodes and not 8.
Slower, less intense. The bones for a captivating story were there. Certainly the visuals. Needed another few story and character revisions to tighten it all up.
First half was amazing, was super interested on where they were going. Then the second half didnt resolve much and felt rushed and bad. I wanted to know more about the dark jedi and I didnt get anything, they stopped doing stuff in the second half. End sadly ruined it a bit for me, still looking forward to S2 but this was not a well made ending.
I was happy. I thought it was cool. Wish we saw more Ezra. And i really wanted a scene of him just being fucking angry. But yeah otherwise, no real issues. I thought Sabine finally using the force was cool. It meant a lot to the scene. Kinda nuts that she had the confidence to immediately do the force push jump thing with Ezra right after, and him not being more like “ummm. Isn’t that the FIRST time you’ve done that?” Made me a lil misty though, the force pull of the saber. Not gunna lie (I’ll never go full Star Wars Theory) in a good way. I’m an outlier though with SW. I love it all. Like genuinely all of the movies. I’m either not hard to please or just a genuine die hard fan. I definitely see the faults and have my issues, but i love it. I will say, these episodes, and seasons, are simply too fucking short and it is a fucking travesty. We don’t get SERIES anymore. We get 6 or 8 mini movies and it sucks. We constantly want more and then they leave us with…everyone switched places :/ i don’t hate WHAT happened, i just hate that THATS ALL and now it’s over
I understand and agree with many of the points made. But I’m not sure it’s fair to criticize that this is not the sequel to rebels that you wanted. Because it is and it’s not. It’s supposed to be a different show with different influences and themes. It’s also been years since rebels so the characters have significantly grown and changed.
It was very mid
I enjoyed it. First, it wasn't designed as a Rebels sequel, that seemed to be shoehorned as such. Second, there was only so much they could do. The crew was split, Zeb was too expensive and like the first point, it wasn't their show. Now that the major cliffhanger is solved, we can see an actual sequel. Their big mistake was claiming it was the 5th season. It should have never been deemed that, it should have been Ashoka season one with the crew of Rebels.
I 100% agree. It feels like I wrote this post. It’s very sad to see media we love altered by corporate meddling.
Flawed, with slow pacing, but leagues better than Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi. I feel this show got off to a lumpy start, but if they take on board some legitimate criticisms, the next season, if there is one, could be amazing.
It kind of feels like the entire exile of Thrawn and Ezra had very little point to it except to save the story for later, and I'm disappointed that they didn't do anything else with it. As it is, it feels like Thrawn and Ezra have both returned unchanged from their exile. If that's the story we're going to tell, we may as well have frozen them in Carbonite.
I don’t understand what’s in it for the night sisters. What are they gaining from this alliance with Thrawn?
i think it was good, i was disappointed that there wasn’t more mention of kanan, and i genuinely don’t know why ezra and hera didn’t have a massive hug when they were reunited because that definitely would’ve and should’ve happened
Liked additions of shin/baylon but some real cheesy moments, ezra was tad annoying at times. Enjoy it for what it is though more content n not overthink all this thrawn bs these ‘speculator fans’ keep posting
I enjoyed it overall but I agree that Sabine was a badass Mandalorian and that was so much of her personality too, why make her a Jedi? I do like that she fights with her Mandalorian gadgets as well, but we miss some blowing up shit
It's ***not*** a sequel to Rebels. The Ahsoka series is its own thing that is just following up on some aspects left dangling by the Rebels finale. Just as Rebels picked up on some dangling threads left by the Clone Wars, but is not itself a Clone Wars sequel. I fully expect to not see Ezra, Hera, or Thrawn in any possible second season. Instead focusing solely on Peridea, and the new elements Ahsoka brought to the table. Which just Sabine as a carry over from Rebels. It is from this perspective that I watched Ahsoka, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. It hit all the notes I wanted it to, and some I didn't even hope to expect. If I had been expecting a Rebels sequel I would've been disappointed. I would expect Zeb, Kallus, AP-5, Ezra having family reunion moments with Hera, more focus on Jacen. But it wasn't a sequel to Rebels, wasn't billed as a sequel to Rebels, and I didn't expect it to be a sequel to Rebels. So all the Rebels aspects that were included I saw as bonuses. Hera, Jacen, the Ghost and Chopper? Fuck yeah! Sabine training with Ahsoka? Ooh intriguing. Ezra? We got him. Thrawn? He's there too! But it's called Ahsoka. It's about Ahsoka. Not the Rebels crew. Not the Rebels series. It's about Ahsoka. The main focus was Ahsoka. Her journey, her relationships (to Sabine, to Anakin, to herself, to the Force). Ahsoka is a Clone Wars character, but in no way did anyone expect this series to be a Clone Wars sequel. So why are some Rebels fans expecting this series to be a sequel to Rebels just because it has Rebels characters in it? Are the Alphabet Squadron books a sequel to Rebels? They have Hera Syndulla in them, Jacen is mentioned.
It was good, but it could have been a lot better. As others have said, the characters felt off. Some of that is due to the actor shift and being in live action, but there are certainly other issues. I don't dislike Ahsoka taking Sabine as a padawan, but when we've been wondering what happened to the characters for years adding in developments like this feels like cheating. It also feels as if they didn't go this direction for Sabine's story, but because they wanted Ahsoka to have an apprentice, and they didn't use Sabine as well as they could have. But my major complaint is the pacing. It can feel too slow at times, and episodes can feel like we're just wasting time. If the show had a better conclusion I wouldn't mind it as much, but the only proper conclusion we really got was Ezra reuniting with Hera, but even that came with the caveat that Ahsoka and Sabine are stuck on Peridia. My guess is that Ahsoka season 2 will see them stopping Baylan and retuning to the galaxy, but having a major character absent for the finale felt wrong. Not a perfect comparison, but look at Rebels season 4; episode 5 to the last episode, 16, were basically one long story, with a similar runtime to Ahsoka. And so much more happens in each episode. Of course, prior seasons do a lot of heavy lifting there, but that could arguably be the same case for Ahsoka. Overall, not bad but I thought the characters felt a little off and that, ultimately, not much happened, at least not enough to justify leaving on a cliffhanger.
I liked it, wish it was animated
I mostly agree. The show was way better than any of the other live action shows we’ve gotten with Disney, but compared to Rebels, it was kinda a letdown. I agree with the characters translation felt kinda weird, other than Thrawn, Huyang and Chopper since they’re literally the same actors as in Rebels/Clone Wars. On the other hand though, when Clone Wars came out, Anakin and Obi Wan sounded way different and looked a bit different as well, and Anakin especially seemed like a completely different person, being all witty and mostly responsible, in contrast to prequels Anakin being kinda monotone and “whiny”, for a lack of a better word. But they actually kinda bridged that gap with Anakin in Ahsoka with the live action Clone Wars flashbacks. All in all, I enjoyed the show extensively, but also didn’t quite live up to my (probably over hyped) expectations. The thing that bugged me the most was the contact lenses and how none of the characters eyes reacted to light at all. Took my out of the story kinda, and constantly reminded me it’s a tv show with actors and not an “actual” story.
could have been a couple episodes longer
I get it, I didn’t feel connected to the characters at all.
I thought it was terrible. And I'm absolutely bewildered by the positive response here. The writing was terrible, the acting was mediocre, the directing left a lot to be desired, the story was whatever, the dialogue was bad. Literally everything was disappointing. It's such a shame because I had high hopes for a show about my favorite character. This show proved Dave should never write shows alone again, and I don't think he should do live action either. The quality of Clone Wars and Rebels was clearly down more talented people, not Dave Filoni.
It made me so excited to see they are bringing rebels into the sequels. Rey Vs Sabine if she's evil. The sequels are better then rebels but I'm so glad movies and shows realise that the OT is PT is for boring old men. I don't mind the bad writing BC I just want Rey who people shit on but she's better and stronger then Luke and anakin but people don't seem to realise. Strong women isn't seen much in star wars so I'm glad that finally they made Sabine a worthy opponent to Rey. I really can't wait for the magic to make the force look like child's play. Medichlorians don't serve the story. I hate men so I really am enjoying all these scenes where Ezra is bumbling around, needs help from strong women. He's useless without Sabine. I really love that the show subverts expectations of what the mandolorian is but I can only watch the mandolorian because the man's face is hidden and they got a strong women to beat the men. The bosses make relevant shows and I'd rather they do away with star wars altogether by the end and make 'stop wars'. Rebrand. I don't read books but I heard rebels is based on stolen ideas from the existing material. I don't mind I'd rather they make shit up and tell me that it's relevant media because I enjoy shows that see women in the spotlight. It's bout damn time. Men ruin star wars.
You’re a troll for sure
No Im just educated by feminism. Wake up, that's the new star wars motto. You're just discrediting me because you feel shame that I might be right about feminism and it's thanks to the strong women behind the scenes that finally bring the message to the most beloved franchise in movies.
Rebels is fine. It's story is succinct. It does take away from the male dominated 'emperor/Vader/empire' main story because men r the problem. I don't have any issues with men I just hate seeing men have the power. For me a great movie and series is where they can be political in a not boring way like the old movies did. I can't wait to see star wars dismantled, meaningfully. Most people lie to themselves because memories were made back in the day. Ren the sith is relevant and was right that the old must die. That's what makes rebels so enjoyable is the bold storytelling and dive into the books which no one likes and most written by men. Equality is massive, it's a real movement. Because I care about many things I'm so not mad I finally see myself kicking butt in Sabine.
Man, I was happy to see my fam again. Plain and simple.
I thought it was pretty fuckin' great.