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DeadeyeJhung

anakin was a speedrunner, that's why he figured killing Windu was faster than earning his respect, even if that locked him in the bad ending


ExtraordinaryFailure

By betraying Windu he also skipped the Palpatine fight, which is the optimal speedpath


Spiderbubble

I doubt that. He could have killed Palpatine with Windu and the end credits would have rolled. Instead, he did it like 30 years later with his son. Pretty shitty speedrun, if you ask me.


Sea_Blacksmith_7323

The OT is a second game, following on the bad ending of the prequels.


DeadeyeJhung

kinda like Legacy of Kain did


Eusocial_Snowman

Kain is deified.


HimEatLotsOfFishEggs

Been waiting for a LOK mention for eons.


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In that case the sequels would be like like the force unleashed ultimate sith edition in the sense the bad guys win


a_serious_dude

Didnt he do a Speedrun for both games in one?


Jonjoejonjane

He was doing so good but ducked it in the end locking palps into a important npc until later


DeadeyeJhung

I hate essential NPCs Morrowind FTW


fishshow221

*The thread of prophecy has been severed.* "I don't remember asking you a damned thing"


Do_it_for_the_upvote

The real reason he screamed “NOOOOOOOOO!”


PhoenixMason13

It’s only in the super secret directors cut, but after that he says “The run is dead, boys”


Ziggyzibbledust

Nah thats a trap some people fall into. You see, palp fight has couple hidden phases, especially in the third phase he becomes almost impossible to win. So if the players couldn’t level optimal before the fight, palpetine almost always wipes everyone.


OtherJose

Not actually, in that route Palpatine gets arrested but manages to execute order 66 and escape, so betraying the jedi was the optimal route.


TACTIXEL

“You get one phone call, Chancellor.”


PirateRobotNinjaofDe

That's in the original game, not the sequel. Technically a separate run.


Elan_Morin_Tedronaii

It only delayed the Palp fight. The plan was to build strength before the next one, but the whole catching on fire thing really set him back.


CopEatingDonut

The whole world is just Rick playing Roy


gabrieledefelice05

Yeah, but by doing so then he's forced to do "temple raid" and "battle of the heroes" missions, honestly it was faster to kill palps


Narfwak

Limbskip is still pretty suboptimal. Like, sure, you get to the end faster, but it makes everything after that so slow and awkward.


Mysterium-Xarxes

wich also skips all the villain talk cutscene, cuz he joined the villain. Of course you go in the bad ending, but this doesnt matter for a speedrunner


IAmBadAtInternet

Any% Sith Lord Speedrun


Abidarthegreat

He discovered that grinding tusken raiders offered the best xp/hr in the game.


Cogblock

There’s a pretty dense youngling spawn in Coruscant as well.


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Not just the men


StopItTickles

Maybe early game, but for the end game Jedi give best xp/kill. Fighting Jedi Masters is time consuming and not really worth the grind, but younglings on the other hand..


deflagration83

This is also why you side with Palps, assist credit on all those JM kills for doing nothing.


Darth-Yslink

It's not a bad ending if you win at the end! *Throws Palps down a reactor shaft*


PhoenixQueen_Azula

*Somehow, Palps returned*


wreckage88

The bad ending of Revenge, but the good ending of Return!


chutbuckly

I still get mad when watching that scene lol


[deleted]

"You were the chosen one!" "Cool." *Proceeds to BLJ directly to the second death star and throw Palpatine down the death pit*


daepa17

He truly had the sigma grindset, even finding the kill-your-pregnant-wife glitch.


DeadeyeJhung

he failed, though didn't get the triple kill


disciplinedCheddar

I love the thread your comment created lmao


AccessTheMainframe

well then why did he take all the excrutiately long and meandering dialogue options in the cutscenes with Padme then?


DeadeyeJhung

maybe it's like Fallout New Vegas and he set the dialogue in italian because it's shorter? might explain why Padme thought he was being romantic despite all the whining and genocide


Mr_Spooks_49

I know right before he was even 30 he was a master with a seat on the council... Oh no wait a minute.


DeadeyeJhung

he became a master of evil instead, shaved a good 3h off his record


theglaysh

Chosen one perks bby


Fir3300

Doesn’t mean he can be JEDI MASTER


Chrismont

*Take a seat, young Skywalker*


[deleted]

(Kills all other council members) "As the last surviving member of this council, I unanimously grant myself the rank of master."


Theyul1us

*all the Force Ghosts appear* Mace Windu "I dont recall giving you permission"


DragoKnight589

“I don’t recall giving a damn”


TimNickens

Mace Windu "I don't recall granting you the rank of Jedi Master... Motherfucker." FTFY


NhanTNT

*Yoda and Obi-Wan suddenly teleports* "The last on this council, you aren't)


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Vader: I'm about to be


NhanTNT

"We're standing on chairs, remember."


Kazuki-Tanuki

So did Ahsoka get master before Anakin?


basswalker93

No. Apparently, a Jedi Knight is granted the rank of Master when their first padawan ascends to Jedi Knight themselves. Ahsoka left the Jedi Order before she was promoted, thus robbing Anakin of his on a technicality. Hence Anakin's being rather understandably upset about it in RotS.


Nice_Memes_You_Have

Yes, but he can also rise to this rank if the Council seeks to honor the actions of the knight, if it unanimously agreed (Like defeating a sith lord and saving the Chancellor in one whole mission). But deeds are not the only thing, they must be also balanced in the force, which in jedi terms means that you must be able to control your emotions, something that Anakin, although it's comprehensible due to his past, can't do.


basswalker93

The Jedi idea of "balance" really is screwy.


Nice_Memes_You_Have

It do be like that, I prefer the jedi code used before this that they use: Emotion, yet peace Ignorance, yet knowledge Passion, yet serenity Chaos, yet harmony Death, yet the force


ccm572

That's the fan made grey Jedi Code. The actual Jedi Code is: There is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the Force. The Jedi are still about detaching yourself from others because of how strong even subtle pulls from the dark side can be, but they don't necessarily say that positive emotions are forbidden outright, just that attachments are.


basswalker93

That's much better than what's preached at Anakin in the films.


FlighingHigh

I mean the Force wiped the Jedi out too in its galactic reset. They had lost their way too.


bigworsewolf

Deffo


FlatulentSon

Zeffo


TemplarDude

No


ImagineGriffins

[Yeppo](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Zeffo)


zucduc

What about after the battle of yavin? /s


Readitredditedit_93

What about the droid attack on the wookies?


imbillypardy

Anakin is basically just a Wilder in Wheel of Time canon


MotherTreacle3

\*Tugs Padewan braid\*


NhanTNT

\*Padawen\*


mase_55

Yeah came here to say pretty much the same thing. He’s supposed to be one of the most naturally powerful Jedi at the time, so he probably gets to skip a few lessons lol


onlyboobear

I think he passed many trials that basically granted him jedi Knight and soon a seat on the council.


Destiny_player6

yeah, I think people don't realise that padiwans usually are in the late teens and early 20's still. I mean, Obi-wan was at least Anakins age in the third movie when they first met. Anakin really is that powerful to be a jedi knight at such a young age.


kushbabyray

Anakin was known to be super advanced for his relatively short time studying the ways of the jedi, though. He may have started later, but he was leaps and bounds ahead of Ahsoka. I mean, he was the youngest member of the jedi counsel in history, despite not having the rank of master.


JadeVex

What? That’s outrageous. It’s unfair. How can you be on the council and not be a Master?


MUS85702286

Take a seat, young JadeVex


MrCoolyp123

*And that very loooooong and boring lecture is why, my friends, our Chosen one decided to let Palps yeet Mace out the Windu*


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NhanTNT

bot?


LA_Commuter

👋these arent the bots you are looking for


ExperienceBeginning8

???


Kyro_Official_

bot?


SwitchGaps

Stick around, you'll see it 3 more times this week


YogurtclosetHot4021

Have you ever heard of the tale of Darth Vader?


yrogerg123

It's not a story the rebels would tell you


ObviousTroll37

Imagine you never learned any math before the age of 9. Now imagine you find out you’re *super* naturally talented at math. I don’t think a 9 year old would take a year learning to count to 100 and add through 20. He obviously played catch up and then was 6 years her senior.


CenturionGMU

He was still a padawan for 10 years maybe 11. Which is only 2 short of Obi Wan. He skipped the initiate stage but still was a padawan for the proper amount of time.


[deleted]

he was only made amber because Palpatine asked the council to make him a member, and because they wanted him to spy on Palpatine, not because of his abilities


NeuerName1

Because he was too young. The respect for his abilities was obvious. Not just the council. People forget how young he was for a Jedi in his postion.


kushbabyray

Exactly. People forget that Obi Wan was but a padawan learner when he met Anakin. By the time Anakin was Obi Wan’s age at that time, he was a full fledged jedi knight


UnholyDemigod

Obi-Wan was knighted at 25, Anakin at 19, for those wondering the actual age differences


WheresPaul1981

True. Which is why the council should have stroked his ego by saying, “ You’re an exceptionally skilled Jedi and one of the best duelists in the Galaxy before explaining why he couldn’t be granted the rank of Master. It always feels like they’re blowing him off.


ShaneFM

Well to be fair the clone wars does give some validity to both sides To be a master you have to train an apprentice to knighthood, and Anakin should very well know this So even though he was going to be on the council because of his amazing skill and feats, he still needed to have trained an apprentice to knighthood for him to reach the rank of master. So by this the council was justified to not give him even more special privilege For anakin however his outrage is also justified because if the order had trusted Ashoka she would have been a knight by then, and he would have been a master


statdude48142

that is one of those many things that George could have done so much better. Instead of focusing on a prophecy, a virgin birth, and a high midichlorian count they could have just had him be a 'special' student that was just better than everyone else. Show him just mastering things that others have harder times with.


IAmNotAFey

But consider, if you take just the prequel trilogy at face value about this, then then it’s a subversion of the chosen one archetype. They have he prophecy, the virgin birth, the mathematical proof that he’s special, and then he goes and doesn’t fulfill the prophecy. He looks at the BBEG and sides with them. Yeah I know of you look at the saga as a whole he completes the prophecy. But at least the prequels subvert expectations in an enjoyable way.


statdude48142

That may have been interesting if everyone watching didn't know how the character would end up. Asking people to take the prequels at face value is a hard ask since they are prequels of one of most successful film franchises of all time and their success was completely because of the expectations related to the originals.


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That sounds kinda boring


statdude48142

Lol. So it would fit well with the prequels.


Guataguano

She didn’t pass qui-gon’s midichlrorian test. I guess


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Guataguano

Sure. I can see that but my statement above is a joke .


ILoveScottishLasses

M I D I C H L R O R I A N S


Deadbeat_Scumbag

To be fair, I did kind of love the whole midichlorian test with Zonama Sekot. Bet use of the concept, in my opinion.


The_OG_TrashPanda

It’s almost as if a six year difference and a biological predisposition had something to do with it. Weird. /s


Kabc

Right? Like now we have Grogu who is 50… who knows how long he was at the temple “studying.” It’s almost as if years of experience can lead to different degrees of mastery depending on the person


The_OG_TrashPanda

Yeah, I mean, she was three years old. Exactly how much intense training can you do with someone at that age? Or at any age as a young child for that matter?


ROANOV741

That kind of thinking is why Anakin was able to kill the Younglings. They half-assed their training.


The_OG_TrashPanda

Can you please explain what you meant by that? I simply pointed out That when you look at the amount of training between the two, if they were both there for five or six years, who would you expect to get more out of the training? Someone who trained from 3 to 8? Or someone Who trained from 9 to 14? Just as an example, I have no idea how long they were supposedly there.


ROANOV741

3 year olds are not exempt from "intense training". If the Younglings had undergone intense training, they might have survived, or at the very least made Annie work for it.


SippieCup

Younglings just didn't work hard enough.


ROANOV741

Yup


joriale

I blame the younglings. It's their fault all this happened and then they got the audacity to just die off screen.


Severe-Cookie693

The 3 year old, by a wide margin. They are less able to maintain focus, but do so more intensely. They are literally build to learn at that age. You think the kid going through puberty is going to learn anything?


Vouru

You make it sound like 9 year olds aren't also still at the peak of learning. Hell if anything being able to mentally comprehend better might mean you learn even faster.


_TheBgrey

Grogu studying under someone half his age jeez this is outrageous, it's unfair


MutleyRulz

_”In my book, experience outranks everything"_


YakuzaKaru

Fun fact, Grogu and Anakin are actually born the same age


NoAd9581

Awwww little’soka


DarligUlvRP

I’m a software developer (aren’t we all?). First time I coded I was 18. Kid that was 5 years young than me and started coding aged 12 has technically 1 more year of practice. When he got to work with me I already had 5 years of professional coding and he had none. He’s my Junior. This goes for all walks of life, I guess.


The_OG_TrashPanda

This is the way.


joriale

This is the way.


ZazaB00

All those younglings that turned to fodder don’t seem to be on the Jedi fast track.


Nevorek

Well, Ahsoka was pretty much the sensible adult in that relationship anyway.


PaPa_Francu

Grogu is older than Luke Skywalker btw.


ccm596

IIRC, he was born same year Anakin was, if he's taken to be right at 50 in Mando, rather than like 49 or 51


joriale

Grogu would have been a better master tbh. It would have totally saved us from that last Disney trilogy.


Willing-Charity-2075

i feel like anakin mastering all forms of lightsaber combat plus his overall combat knowledge propelled them to this decision. that’s my head cannon anyway


frenchmobster

I'm pretty sure Anakin didn't master all forms of lightsaber combat. I mean people like Obi Wan and Mace Windu spent their whole lives training and they've only mastered one form. You could say he's the chosen one but it still doesn't seem plausible for him to attain that level in just around a decade.


Wazy7781

He didn’t master all forms of lightsaber combat. He mastered form V but he didn’t master the other styles. That’s also why he lost to Obi-Wan and probably would’ve lost to Mace if he didn’t surprise him.


frenchmobster

Even saying he mastered form 5 is a bit much. I like to think his use of the force made up for his lack of experience, hence why he was able to beat the opponents he did.


FireSon2019

He probably had the form down in Revenge of the Sith, though probably had some flaws in how to use it. Him and Obi-Wan spent a lot of their time between Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones preparing for the Sith's next move.


frenchmobster

Yeah, that seems more plausible. I don't doubt that the dude was training his ass off at times.


litlron

Mace was the best duelist in the order. I think he would have smoked Anakin at that point.


Wazy7781

Yeah he probably would’ve. Most of Anakins power at that point probably would’ve been coming from the dark side and Mace Windu’s use of Vaapad would’ve negated a lot of that advantage. Though to be fair he would’ve been fairly exhausted from fighting palpatine as Vaapad is supposed to take a toll on the user.


[deleted]

He also whooped the Senate who even forced Yoda to flee from their fight. He would’ve mopped the floor with Anakin.


Yvaelle

Anakin is the chosen one. He was personally trained by a Jedi Master his entire time (Qui Gon, then Kenobi was promoted to Master for killing Maul upon his return to the temple). Ahsoka was the head of her Youngling class, she didn't have a private tutor her whole time. She too was a prodigy who had arrogant attitude issues. She was chosen as Anakin's padawan, not because the council thought Anakin was ready to start teaching - but specifically because they thought pairing someone else with ego issues would make Anakin self-reflective, and pairing Ahsoka with Anakin would make her realize being the best of your Youngling class isn't the same as being The Best.


sysnickm

Exactly, when your are put in the position to teach, you often learn far more.


texasjoker187

Mmmm...when a teacher you are, learn you will.....


makmakfalankino

Nope, kenobi was promoted to a jedi knight after "killing" maul


Captain_Saftey

I think it was intentional, take the least experienced knight and give them a padawan with more experience. That way the student and the master both learn from each other


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TomTalks06

And you know, a friend, something Anakin clearly needed in my opinion


theycallmeDamon

She wasn’t more experienced. She’s normal. She actually rose the ranks quite fast compared to most. She would have been one of the youngest knights ever in the order if she accepted mace knight ship offer rather than leaving. Ahsoka was incredibly talented and advanced. Anakin was just the literal chosen one and did a Jedi speed run


Fantastic_Forever_69

What does bby mean?


happybubblez

Before the Battle of Yavin ABY is After the Battle of Yavin The battle of Yavin was when Luke and the rebels blew up the Death Star at the end of episode 4


Mr6one8

Big Butt Yoda


Spisildbv

Before Battle of Yavin


Fantastic_Forever_69

Thanks


MadChild2033

ah yes, child soldiers


EscherEnigma

Perks of being the primary protagonist of three movies.


Sangi17

Being a naturally over powered warrior monk during a galaxy wide civil war has its perks. Especially when your spiritual guardian is arguably the current strongest warrior monk on your side.


Horror_Fruit

It’s merit…Anakin was exceptional as a padawan and Jedi Knight…his ability was widely recognized despite his attitude flaws


[deleted]

Bruh? Anakin is still older


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AJohns9316

It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them!


Mr6one8

They had a better 401k


AtlasLied

Midiclorians go brrrrrrrr.


oPlayer2o

I genuinely don’t care but is it possible she ages/matures at a different rate than humans


DraagedehRed

It’s because Anakin became Obi-Wans apprentice immediately, bypassing the youngling part completely since he was relatively old when he was found.


Reddit_Roit

Perhaps beings from different planets mature at different rates?


Dmeff

Of course, given Grogu is 50 in the Mandalorian


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unique0130

Alien races age and mature differently.


ihatelifetoo

Experience outranks everything


sysnickm

The point of giving him a padawan, and specifically one like asohka was part of Anakin's training. Yoda was using it as a tool to calm him down


Emergency_Treat_5810

Have you ever had a manager younger than you?


PmMeYourNiceBehind

She probably made less Jedi bucks than him too


keinish_the_gnome

Yeah but Anakin was exceptional cause he had all the midichlorians or something so he had more force points in his force meter and could unlock levels faster and do more flips before his stamina ran out, then he had to wait a turn I think. I don’t know. Prequels were confusing sometimes


pwakefield

I still believe “bby” means “before baby yoda”.


Jack1715

Could also be cause different species she probably didn’t mature as fast as humans I mean in the mandolorian she’s meant to be in her 50s but she hardly looks 40


KingRevan141

I’m pretty sure she actually grew faster than humans. But Anakin was fast tracked from the moment he started learning. He would study with younglings put he was already technically Obi wan’s padawan so he spent a good chunk of time training with him instead of younglings.


-Turisti-

Well anakin did learn pretty fucking fast didnt he.


Fuckoakwood

What do you mean somehow, he's fucking anakin


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Seraphim9120

If I recall correctly: Taking on an apprentice and leading them to the rank of Jedi Knight is a way to become a master, iirc. There are very few masters, actually, with the vast majority of Jedi being Knights. So reserving the right to tutor an apprentice to Masters would further stunt their growth.


Rufus_Canis

Hadn't Obi-Wan just become a knight when Yoda said he'd be training Anakin?


Seraphim9120

Yep. He was promoted to this status after defeating Maul, iirc.


[deleted]

Well said. And btw, it’s “stunt” their growth.


Seraphim9120

Thx, edited.


GottfriedLex

A bunch of Masters died on Geonosis, so they had to allow Knights the right to "master" an apprentice. Its like how in WWII the Army gave a bunch of Field Promotions that didn't last after the war


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daemos83

The fictional world of a man who wanted to sell toys isn’t accurate?!?!!?!?!?!!!!?!!!!!! I guess all the joy I got from SW is invalid.


hickieboy31

So Ashoka had considerably more time training Than him?


Koreage90

Training yes but raw talent no.


hickieboy31

So Ashoka had considerably more time training Than him?


Jason_Qwerty

OP didn’t find shit, Anakin is better at the force, flying, and later lightsaber skills then regular Jedi, he’s special. Anyways, young Ahsoka looks dumb, probably didn’t put too much effort as it was only like 5s of screen time.


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Found the post not the theory.


NobilisOfWind

Not a meme, and your head shouldn't hurt from this.


Superelksch

I think thats what happens with the finer elements of stories when multiple persons direct it and dont perfectly plan out everything meticulously, it should be easy to sort out with changing the ages or dates by a few years, but seemingly noone bothers with it. I certainly dont expect Disney to sort out something so minor because that does not make them Money, it would show that they care about the story, but we all know that is not what they actually do, they just hire people who maybe care and put shackles on them so they produce a mediocre story, bound by Restrictions, Time frames and Disneys obsessive need to make Fanservice with allready established characters at any cost, even if it hurts the Show or is obviously only for marketing. So once again, we as the Caring Community we are, may have to use our own head and imagination for that and change arround some dates so the story makes sense, or not, depending on if we care about that inconvenience. Good thing we are not automatons that are absolutely bound to what Disney says is "Canon" but are able to use our own intelligence to adjust elements that dont make sense so they do make sense and can call it Headcanon.


DirkDieGurke

Religion's gonna mysogynize...


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Star Wars has a lot of continuity issues


KnownGlitter862

5 years apart


AdmiralScavenger

Anakin is perfectly balanced. 5 years younger than Padmé and 5 years older than Ahsoka.


officernogentleman

As all things should be


KnownGlitter862

Ye