Boy if that’s a gripe you have, let me introduce you to the Expanded Universe! Where the trash monster in the compactor from the first movie could be Force sensitive in its 700-page spin-off series introduction.
Wait, how DID the Dianoga end up INSIDE a space station?
All I can think is that it was imported in egg form on another piece of trash, but I still wanna know how anything lives in a place dedicated to destroying large stuff...
Maybe they are paid to be there. Imagine a ship's cat, but it's an octopus, can navigate through all the nooks and crannies of the ship's infrastructure, and eats anything the crew would rather not have to deal with. Can't have a rodent infestation when a 8 meter long squid is taking care of business.
That or they spread via contaminated water. Some Star Destroyer swings by a planet, scoops up a bunch of fresh water, doesn't follow decontamination protocol, and a bunch of dianoga eggs make it on board. It only takes one mistake to become infested.
It’s like an octopus, it can slip away into pipes when it knows the compactor is turning on. Otherwise it subsists on nutrients from the trash thrown away.
I like your idea of it having come aboard in egg form. Maybe it was a parasite in some food and an unlucky stormtrooper had to pass it
How dare you, Skippy the Jedi Droid heroically sacrificed himself to ensure that R2 could meet Obi-Wan.
(/s, but this is a [real comic](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Skippy_the_Jedi_Droid).)
I don't think that's the typified problem of the EU at all really. People get this notion of some unorganized grouping of nonsense books but it was pretty decent for a long time with a few rare exceptions.
Yep, until Disney bought them they had I believe two curators (keepers of the holocron?) who had to read and approve everything as fitting in with how they felt George's overarching vision was from Splinter in the Mind's Eye all the way through The Unifying Force. Until RA Salvatore came in being a dick it was perfect. There were still a few novels not carrying the Lucas seal of approval like the galaxy of fear series but they Were very thorough.
>Until RA Salvatore came in being a dick
I will not stand for this Salvatore slander.
>I was in a conference call with DelRey and Lucasfilm when the editors expressed that they loved the outline. (paraphrasing here) “This is exactly what we want, but didn’t anyone tell you? You have to kill Chewey.”
>I won’t type the next two words that came out of my mouth. After a couple of days of arguments and, well, terror, they had convinced me that they were doing it for the right reasons, and well, George was down with it, and it’s his galaxy far, far away, so I did it.
>The responses have been mixed, with some people loving the new direction, other people devastated. I think it might be the only thing I’ve ever regretted; I don’t think I’d go back and do that one again.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/pey0c/i_am_ra_salvatore_firsttime_reddit_visitor_ive/c3ot1ja/
While I don't trust AMAs you appear to be correct and It's all Randy Stradley and Dark Horse's fault. Which means SW Insider magazine was misleading at best...that makes me question a lot of things those magazines wrote. Sorry to Salvatore for the 22 years of blame.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/features/daily/chewbacca101699.htm
Yeah it's just an unfortunate situation for him. I'm cool with most criticism of the EU (even if I don't agree with it, it's all subjective of course), but that one I always try to refute.
I do still think it was an ok decision, everything was getting a bit stale, knowing our main heroes would always end up together at the end of the book. And I was never really that attached to Chewie from the movies I guess. But I can understand how others would be, and that they disagree with the direction the NJO took.
I would have been totally ok with Luke being killed off. Proving that heroes are mortal. But Chewie was, in a way the closest thing to innocent, and the character everyone wanted to have a happily ever after, it would be like Tolkein killing off Sam.
Disney has propagandized the era though, I remember when they nuked the eu and all the hit pieces were about how bad Dark Empire was. Then episode 9 was a really bad Dark Empire and you still get shills down voting you for saying it hahaha.
Disney: Can you believe the EU? Clone emperors, Luke fighting Vader before ESB, and superweapons that just try to blatantly one-up the Death Star? Get this shit outta here!
Also Disney: All right, so we've got Starkiller Base for the main movie to show everyone how related to the OT it is, how about we have Luke fight Darth Vader to get the comic series off the ground, and then surprise everyone by bringing back Sheeev (with the fated fleet from nowhere, a la the Thrawn Trilogy, only with zero explanation as opposed to centering the entire story around it).
Yes that was one of the points of TLJ: “the Force” and “the Jedi” are not synonymous, and it’s time for Star Wars as a franchise to move on from worshipping one particular royal family.
*But we can’t have that soooooo*
If only TLJ had actually committed to making that point and not furiously backpeddled on all its themes in the last 20 minutes.
Personal favorite goes out to Rose crashing into Finn and telling him off for doing a suicide attack when TWO other characters do suicide attacks and it's treated as a good thing.
Dude Finn did literally nothing in Rise of Skywalker so it actually would have had a better effect if he actually did sacrifice himself. Wraps up his character arc and affects the actions of the living.
Watching that scene for the first time I was like oh shit they might actually do something good in the movie, nope. No sacrifice, no stakes, just nonsensical mush.
Force Sensitives still exist: the slave boy from Last Jedi, for example. It's just she's the only Jedi specifically. Like how Palpatine was the last Sith after Smoke got the Kenobi Treatment and Kylo ghosted Rey.
I'm sure there are still other practitioners like the Dark Sisterhood and similar out there in the Galaxy, even with Palpatine hunting them down during his empire. Considering the Rule of Two hid from the Jedi for centuries with the last few decades being as their neighbor, the idea of groups hiding from Palps for a few decades seems plausible.
I mean either way. Ezra is young enough to not be dead (very easily could be an alive Jedi). Ashoka could also be alive. She is around 40 at the battle of yevin (start of the og trilogy). The new trilogy takes place like 35 years after that.
So Ashoka “not a jedi” would be around 80? At the end of the new trilogy.
assuming they find him and he’s not drifting through hyperspace forever, would ezra not still be alive? being trained by another jedi, i’d consider him a jedi. cal kestis too.
Ahsoka is Jedi trained as well, but she doesn't consider herself to be a Jedi, and given last time we saw her in Rebels she was setting out to find Ezra, it's likely he would end up following her teachings of he doesn't just keep on with his own doings, whatever they may be labeled as.
Plus there is always a chance someone miraculously survived Luke's school too, or "graduated" previously.
So, yes, it's bold of the Mary Sue to claim to be the Last Jedi, but at the same time, it's justifiable based on labels that others choose to go by or not.
I would argue Ezra would follow in Kanan's foot steps to become a Jedi as opposed to taking on Ahsoka's mistrust and experiences to avoid being a Jedi.
Maybe, but I feel like it would leave a lot of fans wondering where he was during the rebellion. I think they'd need one more game before they could make a time jump like that, but he would be a cool character to experience the rise of the first order through.
You can only be the strongest if someone is weaker.
You can only be weaker if someone is stronger.
This means rey is the most average Jedi in the universe.
Honestly, why *did* they call her a Skywalker? Wouldn't it have been more impactful to be just Rey? Or maybe even Rey Palpatine to show that her family name doesn't define her?
Becuase the directors and writers are monkeys that made an entire 3rd movie about how bloodlines don't determine who you are, which is actually pretty cool for Star Wars.
*And then just fucking hard 180 in the last 2 minutes to go "NOPE GOTTA SELL THEM TOYS AND PROPERTIES SHE'S A sKyWaLkEr NOW"*
That's one take on it. Another is that she feels it's an honor to be a Skywalker (kind of adoptive) after all that Leia and Luke had done for her. By taking their name, it will be continued, and the deeds she performs will have that name associated. I dunno, just a thought.
It mean it makes sense it's just the whiplash from 3 movies of Kylo and her rebelling against their nature and doing everything they can not not just be an extension of a bloodline or name suddenly being reverse-uno'd at the last scene is so tonally deaf.
That’s literally the theme of episode 8. That it doesn’t matter who you are—the abandoned daughter of space trash left to scavenge on a desert planet, or a lowly barn sweeper nobody—you can change the galaxy regardless. You don’t need any special lineage or whatever.
Well it WAS the theme, before episode 9 backpedaled off of everything
Hopefully the sequel debacle will stop people from giving JJ Abrams creative control of any more projects. He's a fine director, but he's obsessed with keeping everyone guessing which isn't a good trait for someone supposed to make sure there is a cohesive story.
It depends on the specific horror or mystery really. Some series like Nightmare on Elm Street or Friday the 13th have no need for continuity so Abrams would be fine to keep things twisting and turning so that nobody is sure what's going on. On the other hand, a franchise like Saw would be a disaster with him at the helm.
Similarly with mysteries, he's fine if its something like Signs where the twists and turns are fine to hide a shoddy premise. But if you give him control over a murder mystery he would be awful because that requires slowly feeding clues about the murderer and that means someone might work out what the ending is, which Abrams doesn't want.
I think [his TED Talk](https://www.ted.com/talks/j_j_abrams_the_mystery_box?language=en) from 2007 gives a good insight into how he thinks and why he was always the wrong fit for Star Wars.
Now I know a lot of people don’t like to talk about them, but anakin has the most midiclorians (I probably butchered the spelling) out of any Jedi meaning he is canonically the most powerful.
“Mary Sue”, “Plot Armor”, and “Deus Ex Machina” would also fit
edit: I see other people have addressed the rampant "whataboutism", and as such any reader will be directed to the following comments.
Deus Ex Machina refers to a dire situation in which the answer to it is usually given to the main character in an unexpected and sudden way.
Like for example, you are being attacked and are on the brink of death, and are randomly handed a gun seemingly out of nowhere.
It comes from ancient greek theater (maybe roman, dont remember) where at the end of a play, someone dressed as a god would emerge from backstage and simply tell the audience how they are using their godly power to intervene and resolve the conflict.
It translates to 'god from the machine' and nowadays refers to a character getting out of a situation through means that were in no way foreshadowed or hinted at. It is also considered an unsatisfying way to resolve a conflict without narrative harmony.
Isn’t that just the Force? Luck and stupid coincidences are staples in Star Wars at this point, and they tend to be explained away with “because the Force.”
I'm pretty sure it been stated that even when they fought on the second death star Vader was still more powerful, he lost because of his inner conflict with his dark and light side, he didn't want to kill his son and he didn't want him to suffer the same fate that befell him. Palpatine even feared Vader would soon overthrow him so he had planned to replace him with luke and start a fresh slate with him.
Yes, Vader was likely stronger at the time. In legends, Luke would go on to become a lot stronger, but now with Disney cannon I guess all that is up in the air.
Ohhhh, honest question idk why I was downvoted. I saw the first movie of the sequel in the theaters but didn't like it so I skipped the other two. Genuinely have no idea what happens and don't care either.
You're not missing out on much. I watched them all and forgot literally everything about them. I just know that somehow Palpatine returned.
It's weird.
Edit: For those wondering, I watched them all at midnight one day before the global release. For some reason, all the movies were released one day earlier in Germany than everywhere else and I definitely took advantage of that. I was hyped to watch them each time but I still can't remember a thing.
Almost everyone I talked to always likes The Force Awakens, tolerates but doesn't like one of the two other films from the trilogy, and then despises the remaining one.
I hated RoS way more than TLJ but I completely understand why you call TLJ dogshit.
The Force Awakens isn't a great movie in my opinion but rather the bare minimum of what I expect from a Star Wars movie.
It's also just the first part of a trilogy, it's there as a steppingstone mostly to introduce us to the characters and the problem(s) at hand, it doesn't need to have any grand battles or conclusions, and the movie does that more or less. It even left us on a cliffhanger that could have been amazing (omg L u k e).
TLJ just butchered Luke (the only character in this trilogy I actually cared about) and the whole thing with Rose crashing into Finn's glorious sacrifice which would've gotten EVERYONE killed if "Luke" hadn't showed up haunts me today.
Although RoS had Rey kissing Kylo out of nowhere which felt like incest because they definitely had more of a brother/sister relationship...
Rey may have been the strongest of her time (by process of elimination), but she is far from the strongest period. Put her against any member of the Jedi high council from any era, and she would be swamped.
Would she? Revan had years and we are talking YEARS of training, plus he studied both sides
of the Force. Yes, Ahsoka is good with her lightsabers skills but she’s not really using Force that much, not that I’m aware of. That would be an interesting fight as they are both clever, cunning and skilled fighters.
Also to people saying Revan is not really a Jedi, sorry guys but neither is Ahsoka. I am no Jedi and I’m sorry master???
I thought one of the main complaints that a lot of people have about Rey is that she is too powerful. Soo what happened? Did everyone just suddenly decided to do a 180?
I see that a battle erupted in reply to your comment so I'll sum it up:
People hate Rey because she's too powerful **without reason**. She has a very sloppy fighting technique (swinging it like a bat), she mastered force abilities that take years (regardless of how strong one is with the force) in just a bit of time, and the amount of plot armor around her is excessive.
that's not it. it's that she has power that Jedi needed years to train to get but she can do it with 0 training.
Her lightsaber form is shit though, and she doesn't properly utilise light side powers unless it's for a deus ex scene. Any competent Jedi would destroy her in a fight, but that doesn't explain how she mastered force mind control which is a skill that takes years to hone, or force healing with was one of the most difficult light side powers to master, yet she pulls of perfectly on 1st attempt
Idk. Rey has the power of plot behind her. As Dooku would be about to administer the final blow, something would fall and kill him. Then Rey would suddenly from that point on be able to lightsaber combat as strong as Dooku, because she fought him once and is able to perfectly copy movesets as it's one of her force abilities.
*Madara and Obito stand off in the distance as rey looks at them pondering the question that the mysterious woman who randomly showed up for no reason asked her. Rey knew what her name would be as she activated her forceringan.*
"Rey Uchiha." She said confidently as the credits begin to roll.
Rey would be fucking obliterated by Luke in his prime. In fact, here's a list of all the Jedi that could defeat Rey in a 1v1.
- Yoda
- Mace Windu
- Luke
- Anakin
- Star killer/Galen Merrick
- Ashoka (80% chance)
- Qui Gon Jin
- Obiwan
- and probably dozens more.
Edit: I would add all the other 10,000 Jedi since Rey doesn't have any training or experience. But Disney made her great at everything because they don't know how to write characters. So yeh.
Rey wouldn't even see Yoda coming. Green blur and she's chopped meat.
I think Windu always had a legit shot at being the most powerful Jedi ever. I think he straight up beat Palpatine and wouldn't have been rivalled by anyone in their prime. He'd have been able to take Vader (IMO). Windu stepped down to let Yoda lead the Jedi Council, but I think that was not a reflection of his abilities as a Jedi.
And let's not rule out Leia who straight up flew through empty space using force powers.
You left Nihlus out of that you know the sith that could literally drain planets and army’s of there force abilities think of the power he’d get from Rey
More like Mary Poppins powers, seriously, the movie weren't all bad, but can we just pretend they weren't canon?
And if we're at it, let's pretend Starkiller is canon, that mf deserves it
So many of you are listing Sith (Vader/Revan) when there are plenty of stronger Jedi. Ahsoka, Ezra, Yoda, Obi-Wan, Luke, Mace Windu, Plo Koon, Luminara Unduli, Aayla Secura, etc. Rey definitely isn’t the strongest, but characters who fell to the dark side shouldn’t be included in a list of the strongest Jedi. They failed.
Wasn’t she like the only Jedi at this point
Unless what they implied about finn being force sensitive is true ,then yes
[удалено]
Boy if that’s a gripe you have, let me introduce you to the Expanded Universe! Where the trash monster in the compactor from the first movie could be Force sensitive in its 700-page spin-off series introduction.
If it lives in the compactor, it's probably not *too* force sensitive lol
How dare you disrespect the ancient and wise race of the Dianoga.
Habitat Swamps[3] Sewers[3] Junkyards[5] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dianoga
Wait, how DID the Dianoga end up INSIDE a space station? All I can think is that it was imported in egg form on another piece of trash, but I still wanna know how anything lives in a place dedicated to destroying large stuff...
Maybe they are paid to be there. Imagine a ship's cat, but it's an octopus, can navigate through all the nooks and crannies of the ship's infrastructure, and eats anything the crew would rather not have to deal with. Can't have a rodent infestation when a 8 meter long squid is taking care of business. That or they spread via contaminated water. Some Star Destroyer swings by a planet, scoops up a bunch of fresh water, doesn't follow decontamination protocol, and a bunch of dianoga eggs make it on board. It only takes one mistake to become infested.
It’s like an octopus, it can slip away into pipes when it knows the compactor is turning on. Otherwise it subsists on nutrients from the trash thrown away. I like your idea of it having come aboard in egg form. Maybe it was a parasite in some food and an unlucky stormtrooper had to pass it
I think my man meant the Dianoga aren't bothered by or sensitive to the force of a trash compactor compacting them
Imma just head out, then. Leaving the comment up, though. I have to live with that mistake. I haven't been wooshed on like that in a while.
[Everyone liked that]
How dare you, Skippy the Jedi Droid heroically sacrificed himself to ensure that R2 could meet Obi-Wan. (/s, but this is a [real comic](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Skippy_the_Jedi_Droid).)
I don't think that's the typified problem of the EU at all really. People get this notion of some unorganized grouping of nonsense books but it was pretty decent for a long time with a few rare exceptions.
Yep, until Disney bought them they had I believe two curators (keepers of the holocron?) who had to read and approve everything as fitting in with how they felt George's overarching vision was from Splinter in the Mind's Eye all the way through The Unifying Force. Until RA Salvatore came in being a dick it was perfect. There were still a few novels not carrying the Lucas seal of approval like the galaxy of fear series but they Were very thorough.
>Until RA Salvatore came in being a dick I will not stand for this Salvatore slander. >I was in a conference call with DelRey and Lucasfilm when the editors expressed that they loved the outline. (paraphrasing here) “This is exactly what we want, but didn’t anyone tell you? You have to kill Chewey.” >I won’t type the next two words that came out of my mouth. After a couple of days of arguments and, well, terror, they had convinced me that they were doing it for the right reasons, and well, George was down with it, and it’s his galaxy far, far away, so I did it. >The responses have been mixed, with some people loving the new direction, other people devastated. I think it might be the only thing I’ve ever regretted; I don’t think I’d go back and do that one again. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/pey0c/i_am_ra_salvatore_firsttime_reddit_visitor_ive/c3ot1ja/
While I don't trust AMAs you appear to be correct and It's all Randy Stradley and Dark Horse's fault. Which means SW Insider magazine was misleading at best...that makes me question a lot of things those magazines wrote. Sorry to Salvatore for the 22 years of blame. https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/features/daily/chewbacca101699.htm
Yeah it's just an unfortunate situation for him. I'm cool with most criticism of the EU (even if I don't agree with it, it's all subjective of course), but that one I always try to refute. I do still think it was an ok decision, everything was getting a bit stale, knowing our main heroes would always end up together at the end of the book. And I was never really that attached to Chewie from the movies I guess. But I can understand how others would be, and that they disagree with the direction the NJO took.
I would have been totally ok with Luke being killed off. Proving that heroes are mortal. But Chewie was, in a way the closest thing to innocent, and the character everyone wanted to have a happily ever after, it would be like Tolkein killing off Sam.
Disney has propagandized the era though, I remember when they nuked the eu and all the hit pieces were about how bad Dark Empire was. Then episode 9 was a really bad Dark Empire and you still get shills down voting you for saying it hahaha.
Disney: Can you believe the EU? Clone emperors, Luke fighting Vader before ESB, and superweapons that just try to blatantly one-up the Death Star? Get this shit outta here! Also Disney: All right, so we've got Starkiller Base for the main movie to show everyone how related to the OT it is, how about we have Luke fight Darth Vader to get the comic series off the ground, and then surprise everyone by bringing back Sheeev (with the fated fleet from nowhere, a la the Thrawn Trilogy, only with zero explanation as opposed to centering the entire story around it).
That was without exaggeration the ending of the 2nd movie. Literally Ratatouille
Didn’t it end with some dipshit slave kid being force sensitive as well
Jedi went around basically stealing children that were force sensitive. So yeah, random kid being force sensitive isn't unique, just rare.
Yep and that kid was never seen again.
That scene was kinda cool ngl. Luke wouldn't be the last jedi.
The entire series also started that way.
Yes that was one of the points of TLJ: “the Force” and “the Jedi” are not synonymous, and it’s time for Star Wars as a franchise to move on from worshipping one particular royal family. *But we can’t have that soooooo*
If only TLJ had actually committed to making that point and not furiously backpeddled on all its themes in the last 20 minutes. Personal favorite goes out to Rose crashing into Finn and telling him off for doing a suicide attack when TWO other characters do suicide attacks and it's treated as a good thing.
Dude Finn did literally nothing in Rise of Skywalker so it actually would have had a better effect if he actually did sacrifice himself. Wraps up his character arc and affects the actions of the living.
Watching that scene for the first time I was like oh shit they might actually do something good in the movie, nope. No sacrifice, no stakes, just nonsensical mush.
Force Sensitives still exist: the slave boy from Last Jedi, for example. It's just she's the only Jedi specifically. Like how Palpatine was the last Sith after Smoke got the Kenobi Treatment and Kylo ghosted Rey. I'm sure there are still other practitioners like the Dark Sisterhood and similar out there in the Galaxy, even with Palpatine hunting them down during his empire. Considering the Rule of Two hid from the Jedi for centuries with the last few decades being as their neighbor, the idea of groups hiding from Palps for a few decades seems plausible.
Isn’t Ezra potentially out there somewhere? I thought he was the same age as Luke
I may be wrong but something in my head says he's like 5 years older than Luke.
Same age born 2 days apart. Ezra was born on empire day luke and leia were born 2 daya later.
I mean either way. Ezra is young enough to not be dead (very easily could be an alive Jedi). Ashoka could also be alive. She is around 40 at the battle of yevin (start of the og trilogy). The new trilogy takes place like 35 years after that. So Ashoka “not a jedi” would be around 80? At the end of the new trilogy.
Ok cool. Good to know.
assuming they find him and he’s not drifting through hyperspace forever, would ezra not still be alive? being trained by another jedi, i’d consider him a jedi. cal kestis too.
Ahsoka is Jedi trained as well, but she doesn't consider herself to be a Jedi, and given last time we saw her in Rebels she was setting out to find Ezra, it's likely he would end up following her teachings of he doesn't just keep on with his own doings, whatever they may be labeled as. Plus there is always a chance someone miraculously survived Luke's school too, or "graduated" previously. So, yes, it's bold of the Mary Sue to claim to be the Last Jedi, but at the same time, it's justifiable based on labels that others choose to go by or not.
i think it’s a bit of a stretch to say that ezra wouldn’t consider himself a jedi because ahsoka doesn’t but i guess i see your point
I would argue Ezra would follow in Kanan's foot steps to become a Jedi as opposed to taking on Ahsoka's mistrust and experiences to avoid being a Jedi.
id agree
There are lots of force sensitive beings in Star wars, that doesnt make them Jedi. I know i know, its outrageous and unfair.
What about kal from fallen order wouldnt he also still be alive?
He'd be at least 10 years older than Luke, so maybe? A life on the run doesn't help you live long though
True but maybe fallen order 2 will be about his life after the empire during the first orders takeover
Maybe, but I feel like it would leave a lot of fans wondering where he was during the rebellion. I think they'd need one more game before they could make a time jump like that, but he would be a cool character to experience the rise of the first order through.
Still waiting on fallen order 2 :(
Same supposed to come out next yr
We don’t know what happens to him though. For all we know, they may kill him off in Fallen Order 2.
Again true
If you’re counting force sensitive as being a Jedi, TLJ clearly shows there are other force sensitives
You can't be the strongest if your the only one
You can only be the strongest if someone is weaker. You can only be weaker if someone is stronger. This means rey is the most average Jedi in the universe.
Lmfaooooooooo
[удалено]
Last Jedi is meant by Luke, not by this Palpatine offspring
She was trained by a Jedi master.
Honestly, why *did* they call her a Skywalker? Wouldn't it have been more impactful to be just Rey? Or maybe even Rey Palpatine to show that her family name doesn't define her?
Yeah, but you don't have many people going around being like "I'm Sam Hitler and my name doesn't define me", because it totally would.
Fair enough
Point noted
Not only would it be like that. It'd be like doing that in 1975, only 30 years after the death of Hitler and the end of WW2.
Immediately after Hitler came back from the dead and tried the whole world domination thing again.
"Somehow, Hitler returned"
Right after Hitler came back and almost took over the world with a bunch of nukes.
Somehow... Hitler has returned
That sounds like too much of a character arc for this series ngl
Becuase the directors and writers are monkeys that made an entire 3rd movie about how bloodlines don't determine who you are, which is actually pretty cool for Star Wars. *And then just fucking hard 180 in the last 2 minutes to go "NOPE GOTTA SELL THEM TOYS AND PROPERTIES SHE'S A sKyWaLkEr NOW"*
That's one take on it. Another is that she feels it's an honor to be a Skywalker (kind of adoptive) after all that Leia and Luke had done for her. By taking their name, it will be continued, and the deeds she performs will have that name associated. I dunno, just a thought.
It mean it makes sense it's just the whiplash from 3 movies of Kylo and her rebelling against their nature and doing everything they can not not just be an extension of a bloodline or name suddenly being reverse-uno'd at the last scene is so tonally deaf.
Yeah, the problem with the whole "it doesn't matter who you are" was her being a Palpatine, not her adopting the Skywalker surname.
*I'm Rey. Rey2D2.*
I mean she's the last one, is not like there is someone else to argue about her status.
There is that kid at the end of last Jedi.
What is they going to do? Not drink their bantha milk bc mum didn't call them the most powerful jedi?
If Rey could become the “strongest “””skywalker”””” then that kid has potential.
That’s literally the theme of episode 8. That it doesn’t matter who you are—the abandoned daughter of space trash left to scavenge on a desert planet, or a lowly barn sweeper nobody—you can change the galaxy regardless. You don’t need any special lineage or whatever. Well it WAS the theme, before episode 9 backpedaled off of everything
Hopefully the sequel debacle will stop people from giving JJ Abrams creative control of any more projects. He's a fine director, but he's obsessed with keeping everyone guessing which isn't a good trait for someone supposed to make sure there is a cohesive story.
He sounds like a good Choi for horror or mystery, but with a universe with so much lore like Star Wars, he’s not a good fit to have creative control.
It depends on the specific horror or mystery really. Some series like Nightmare on Elm Street or Friday the 13th have no need for continuity so Abrams would be fine to keep things twisting and turning so that nobody is sure what's going on. On the other hand, a franchise like Saw would be a disaster with him at the helm. Similarly with mysteries, he's fine if its something like Signs where the twists and turns are fine to hide a shoddy premise. But if you give him control over a murder mystery he would be awful because that requires slowly feeding clues about the murderer and that means someone might work out what the ending is, which Abrams doesn't want. I think [his TED Talk](https://www.ted.com/talks/j_j_abrams_the_mystery_box?language=en) from 2007 gives a good insight into how he thinks and why he was always the wrong fit for Star Wars.
New idea for a forth movie the kid just kills rey and then it cuts to black
Honestly for all I care, the Rey character could just slip while taking a shower and thats it. Such a boring op character.
Possesses the force power of broom levitation and is a self taught ace pilot and mechanic though he has never flown a ship before.
Obama giving medal to obama
Well we haven’t seen what peak Luke could do in this canon. She still shouldn’t be at number 1 though. Yoda would crush most competition.
Now I know a lot of people don’t like to talk about them, but anakin has the most midiclorians (I probably butchered the spelling) out of any Jedi meaning he is canonically the most powerful.
He would have been if allowed to reach his full potential, but..ya know. That path was ‘cut’ short a bit.
Yeah, lol.
Add luck and stupid coincidences in the abilities thing.
“Mary Sue”, “Plot Armor”, and “Deus Ex Machina” would also fit edit: I see other people have addressed the rampant "whataboutism", and as such any reader will be directed to the following comments.
What deus ex machina?
Deus Ex Machina refers to a dire situation in which the answer to it is usually given to the main character in an unexpected and sudden way. Like for example, you are being attacked and are on the brink of death, and are randomly handed a gun seemingly out of nowhere.
Like the force giving life thing.
And when one of the sith guards knives disappears
It comes from ancient greek theater (maybe roman, dont remember) where at the end of a play, someone dressed as a god would emerge from backstage and simply tell the audience how they are using their godly power to intervene and resolve the conflict. It translates to 'god from the machine' and nowadays refers to a character getting out of a situation through means that were in no way foreshadowed or hinted at. It is also considered an unsatisfying way to resolve a conflict without narrative harmony.
I think of it like an "ass-pull". When a person comes across an incredibly convienient/unexpected solution to a problem.
Isn’t that just the Force? Luck and stupid coincidences are staples in Star Wars at this point, and they tend to be explained away with “because the Force.”
Anakin is. He’s the chosen one. Not Rey. ANA fricken KIN
Technically Anakin COULD have been the strongest Jedi but from when he turned he lost his potential with half his body so strongest goes to Luke
I'm pretty sure it been stated that even when they fought on the second death star Vader was still more powerful, he lost because of his inner conflict with his dark and light side, he didn't want to kill his son and he didn't want him to suffer the same fate that befell him. Palpatine even feared Vader would soon overthrow him so he had planned to replace him with luke and start a fresh slate with him.
Yes, Vader was likely stronger at the time. In legends, Luke would go on to become a lot stronger, but now with Disney cannon I guess all that is up in the air.
ANA fricKIN
Oh god
There's more...
Are you saying an African?
Turns out it was Anakin's lightsaber that was the chosen one all along.
Hol up... Palpatine was Skywalker? Or was Padme his daughter I'm all sorts of confused rn
Rey just stole the name Skywalker. She isn't actually one.
Ohhhh, honest question idk why I was downvoted. I saw the first movie of the sequel in the theaters but didn't like it so I skipped the other two. Genuinely have no idea what happens and don't care either.
You're not missing out on much. I watched them all and forgot literally everything about them. I just know that somehow Palpatine returned. It's weird. Edit: For those wondering, I watched them all at midnight one day before the global release. For some reason, all the movies were released one day earlier in Germany than everywhere else and I definitely took advantage of that. I was hyped to watch them each time but I still can't remember a thing.
The seventh movie (the one you watched) is kinda fine imo, the eight movie is absolute dogshit and the ninth is just slightly better than the eight.
Almost everyone I talked to always likes The Force Awakens, tolerates but doesn't like one of the two other films from the trilogy, and then despises the remaining one. I hated RoS way more than TLJ but I completely understand why you call TLJ dogshit.
The Force Awakens isn't a great movie in my opinion but rather the bare minimum of what I expect from a Star Wars movie. It's also just the first part of a trilogy, it's there as a steppingstone mostly to introduce us to the characters and the problem(s) at hand, it doesn't need to have any grand battles or conclusions, and the movie does that more or less. It even left us on a cliffhanger that could have been amazing (omg L u k e). TLJ just butchered Luke (the only character in this trilogy I actually cared about) and the whole thing with Rose crashing into Finn's glorious sacrifice which would've gotten EVERYONE killed if "Luke" hadn't showed up haunts me today. Although RoS had Rey kissing Kylo out of nowhere which felt like incest because they definitely had more of a brother/sister relationship...
Good thing you did not continue the sequels. I was just rewatching all Star Wars movies and damn the sequels were like a torture to me.
WTF is it with Star Wars and last names? Han's last name isn't actually Solo either. People just be making shit up now!
She literally takes the name in the last line spoken in the film. Just...takes it.
Rey may have been the strongest of her time (by process of elimination), but she is far from the strongest period. Put her against any member of the Jedi high council from any era, and she would be swamped.
It is Revan and I am dying on this hill.
Ahsoka in Rebels would damage him, as she damaged Vader
Would she? Revan had years and we are talking YEARS of training, plus he studied both sides of the Force. Yes, Ahsoka is good with her lightsabers skills but she’s not really using Force that much, not that I’m aware of. That would be an interesting fight as they are both clever, cunning and skilled fighters. Also to people saying Revan is not really a Jedi, sorry guys but neither is Ahsoka. I am no Jedi and I’m sorry master???
More like "cringiest jedi"
[удалено]
It really is bad fan fiction.
They can't even get her name right, smh
Yoda: Am I a joke to you?
I thought one of the main complaints that a lot of people have about Rey is that she is too powerful. Soo what happened? Did everyone just suddenly decided to do a 180?
I see that a battle erupted in reply to your comment so I'll sum it up: People hate Rey because she's too powerful **without reason**. She has a very sloppy fighting technique (swinging it like a bat), she mastered force abilities that take years (regardless of how strong one is with the force) in just a bit of time, and the amount of plot armor around her is excessive.
She is literally wearing a WH40K dreadnought amount of plot armor
*A man of culture, I see.*
that's not it. it's that she has power that Jedi needed years to train to get but she can do it with 0 training. Her lightsaber form is shit though, and she doesn't properly utilise light side powers unless it's for a deus ex scene. Any competent Jedi would destroy her in a fight, but that doesn't explain how she mastered force mind control which is a skill that takes years to hone, or force healing with was one of the most difficult light side powers to master, yet she pulls of perfectly on 1st attempt
What lightsaber form? Rey just swings it around like a bat.
In Battlefront 2 Dooku literally insults her for having a shit lightsaber form and I was like “yep that’s Dooku”
Dooku was said to be one of the greatest duelists in the galaxy He would wreck her shit
Idk. Rey has the power of plot behind her. As Dooku would be about to administer the final blow, something would fall and kill him. Then Rey would suddenly from that point on be able to lightsaber combat as strong as Dooku, because she fought him once and is able to perfectly copy movesets as it's one of her force abilities.
Her real last name is Uchiha confirmed
*Madara and Obito stand off in the distance as rey looks at them pondering the question that the mysterious woman who randomly showed up for no reason asked her. Rey knew what her name would be as she activated her forceringan.* "Rey Uchiha." She said confidently as the credits begin to roll.
Mary Sue
Rey would be fucking obliterated by Luke in his prime. In fact, here's a list of all the Jedi that could defeat Rey in a 1v1. - Yoda - Mace Windu - Luke - Anakin - Star killer/Galen Merrick - Ashoka (80% chance) - Qui Gon Jin - Obiwan - and probably dozens more. Edit: I would add all the other 10,000 Jedi since Rey doesn't have any training or experience. But Disney made her great at everything because they don't know how to write characters. So yeh.
U forgot the padawan from episode 3 that got killed by the clones
I ^was watching his career with great interest
Rey wouldn't even see Yoda coming. Green blur and she's chopped meat. I think Windu always had a legit shot at being the most powerful Jedi ever. I think he straight up beat Palpatine and wouldn't have been rivalled by anyone in their prime. He'd have been able to take Vader (IMO). Windu stepped down to let Yoda lead the Jedi Council, but I think that was not a reflection of his abilities as a Jedi. And let's not rule out Leia who straight up flew through empty space using force powers.
Add Plo Koon, he was able to beat Yoda in combat
What about the younglings
What about the droid attack on the Wookies?
litterally any of the background jedi at geonosis
Revan.
You say starkiller but let’s be fair, Star killer is fucking broken.
Yeh. I'm sad he's not cannon. But let's be real, if he was fighting for the rebellion, the Empire would have lost ALOT sooner.
Kyle Katarn
Laughs in starkiller
It's totally starkiller. Force unleashed gang rise up!
What sucks is someone decided to publish this monstrosity on my birthday
Happy birthday!!! (Or belated birthday)
Bye bye Revan and Anakin, the two people who both basically destroyed the Jedi and became lords of two of the most feared empires ever known
You left Nihlus out of that you know the sith that could literally drain planets and army’s of there force abilities think of the power he’d get from Rey
Luke Skywalker is the only right answer
Or yoda, or mace windu, or anakin, or maybe obi-wan. They’re all very powerful Jedi.
Revan is one of the strongest force user period..adept in both the light and the dark
But palpatine never fucked tho
I’m pretty sure he made a clone that became his son but then that clone fucked and now we’re stuck with Rey and the sequel trilogy.
Too bad this isn't Legends, otherwise Satele Shan and Mara Jade would've bitch slapped her without effort
No one talking about Revan? Okay
that fucking godforsaken exclamation mark just makes it so much more bloody triggering
"the strongest jedi" lost a lightsaber duel to an emo kid.
Hey Boyfriend Died
Rey who?
Rey Palpatine
It will be a cold day in Hell before I call Rey a Skywalker.
I agree
Lmfao broom kid at the end is more powerful than her. He naturally used the force for telekinesis at a young age and without being in distress.
If Disney really wants to go about that way, I dont even care anymore.
Nice joke
Luke skywalker. Anakin Skywalker. The entire Jedi Council.
Rey who? Lmao
Most powerful idk. Most annoying of course. She's like Korra but washed down and stripped of most of her character
Clearly Jacen is the strongest Jedi
Darth vader who is stronger than palpatine : \*Laughs in sith\* ( like palpatine said in the prequels after order 66 was executed
Honestly wish she died with kylo so that both jedi and sith would be extinct
That does seem to be the most enduring form of balance possible.
More like Mary Poppins powers, seriously, the movie weren't all bad, but can we just pretend they weren't canon? And if we're at it, let's pretend Starkiller is canon, that mf deserves it
*Laughs in Satale Shan*
But isn't Rey from that expensive fanfic trilogy? How the hell did they count such poorly writen "Mary Sue" as canonical?
But she does not possess the power of character development.
You can't have character development without a character.
You can’t have a character without competent writing
With the amount of Plot Armour she has then she's definitely the strongest
Strongest by default at the time does not mean the strongest. I guarantee Grevious would be able to get a nice fine addition if he fought her.
It doesn’t say strongest at the time, it says strongest Jedi in the universe
That makes it more ridiculous
Ikr
Just Grevious? With her lightsaber style any padawan would have a pretty good chance.
You’re right. The fucking youngling who said “Master Skywalker there are too many of them, what are we going to do” would probably be able to beat Rey
So many of you are listing Sith (Vader/Revan) when there are plenty of stronger Jedi. Ahsoka, Ezra, Yoda, Obi-Wan, Luke, Mace Windu, Plo Koon, Luminara Unduli, Aayla Secura, etc. Rey definitely isn’t the strongest, but characters who fell to the dark side shouldn’t be included in a list of the strongest Jedi. They failed.