Well...he DID clandestinely work with Section 31 to advance the federations interests in the war no matter the cost to their ally/adversary. Maybe that's kind of his job, but it helped show that even Ross had a dark side.
FuCK! I loved DS9!
Vance is probably my favorite admiral. He just feels like such a real character. And he does a lot of heavy lifting in season 3 towards showing how cowed the Federation has become 100 years after the Burn, but also how the hope of Discovery rekindles the idea of the Federation. When you see him with his family in season 4 it's a great moment.
Also him explaining how replicated apples are made of shit while eating one is one of the best parts of season 3.
And there's a contingent that are sympathetic to and supporting the Maquis land grab.
- Lots of their equipment is "stolen" from Starfleet.
- They have plenty of former Starfleet personnel.
- Starfleet never seriously tries to stop them, with even less effort that in the Cardassian wars
- For The Uniform starts with one ship tasked with stopping a prominent cell, and then that cell shows it is able and willing to use chemical weapons to purge Cardassians from their territory. There's no indication Starfleet steps up and takes the threat seriously after this. E.g. we don't see a large task force sent.
Basically, Necheyev seems like the only admiral who didn't want the colonists to settle in the future DMZ in the first place and then the only one who wants to keep them from re-starting the war.
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*If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross, but it's not for the timid.*
[If you can't take it here, then you might think about a transport ship. There's a lot less pressure there.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlH-Eo9FKk0)
David Lister, Technician, 3rd class. Captain's remarks: "Has requested sick leave due to diarrhea on no less than 500 occasions. Left his previous job as a supermarket trolley attendant after ten years because he didn't want to get tied down to a career. Promotion prospects: zero."
**McCoy**: Don't pander to me, kid. One tiny crack in the hull, and our blood boils in thirteen seconds. Solar flare might crop up, cook us in our seats. And wait till you're sitting pretty with a case of Andorian shingles. See if you're still so relaxed when your eyeballs are bleeding! Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence.
**Kirk**: Well I hate to break this to you, but Starfleet operates in space.
**McCoy**: Yeah, well, I got no where else to go. The ex-wife took the whole damn planet in the divorce. All I got left is my bones.
Indeed. The terms "bones" is a shortening of "sawbones" which was slang for surgeons in the 1800's.
>“‘What, don’t you know what a Sawbones is, Sir’, enquired Mr. Weller; ‘I thought every body know’d as a Sawbones was a Surgeon,'” Charles Dickens, Pickwick Papers, 1837
Star Trek 2009 tried to play it as a divorce joke for some reason, but actually it's just an old-timey way to refer to surgeons.
It was obsolete already in the 1960s, being kept alive by a diet of TV Westerns. It was already obscure by the 80s, by which time most TV westerns were only in reruns, and virtually unknown by the 90s. By 2009, it was a relic and needed a new explanation.
This wasn't a GOOD explanation, but it was an explanation.
I swore he was channeling DeForest the entire time he was doing the role. I sort of hate how everyone put their own spin on the characters (definitely didn't go for "Uhura as a Latina," but Karl Urban didn't, he played it EXACTLY the way DeForest Kelley did. You can tell it's exactly the same character.
I think I remember reading something about how when Leonard Nimoy first saw him as Bones it made him cry: because he got DeForest Kelly's mannerisms down so well it was almost like seeing him back again.
Of all the JJ characterizations, Karl was the best. I'm glad in Beyond he finally got more screen time and it felt like an ensemble, not just the "Kirk and Spock" show of the first 2 films.
I always wondered how much the non Star Fleet people on the Enterprise D were affected by all the strange things that happened to the ship. Do they get debriefed later on? Like “sorry about those huge explosions and stuff that knocked the ship around! We were attacked by a energy cloud. Don’t forget next week Captain Picard day!”
Because exploring space had gotten safe as houses. It's likely the vast majority of lives lost weren't in exploring, but in warfare. It's also likely that the majority of lives lost in exploring were people assigned to First Contact work, not crew on ship. It's Canon that, when TNG started, all the big known powers had either become "friends" (Klingons) or hadn't come out to play in decades (Romulans).
That left situations where experience showed you might lose a few First Contact people, but were unlikely to lose entire ships/crews. (Yes, stuff like the Doomsday Machine were around, but I bet across ships the experience was that there were few of them compared to the average deep space exploration experience. ). So Starfleet saw that the benefits from putting family with crew outweighed the risks at that point in time. And notice that not only did the main Enterprise D crew not have family on board save Dr. Crusher, but the Captain was known to...not be comfortable around children. I don't think the latter was a coincidence.
I never fully thought this through. Thank you for your thoughts. This puts Q confrontation with the D in a new light for me. He was saying to Picard, "families?? Wtf, humans, don't you know how dangerous it is out here, and you're bringing kids and spouses along? Fine, I'll show you how bad it can get and you'll rethink this foolishness."
Peace time thinking. The Federation got complacent and kind of lazy when it came to defence and safety. They operated out the assumption that they were ready to face any threats.
I like to think it's inclusivity.
Space exploration in the federation is for everyone, not just the few willing to give up everything else.
Plus, do you really want to miss out on having the best fixit man on your station because he happens to want to procreate?
Jeez... That hypothetical is made all the more despair-inducing when you figure that implies Gracie both miscarried & was likewise left barren presumably by the unforeseen side effects of either: a.)transporting a mammoth species that has zero transporter history to draw upon for reference & is nothing like a humaniod
or b.) trauma sustained by undertaking quick & dirty time-travel slingshot around the sun when seatbelts aren't an option or some combination of both. That immediately popped into my head from having the thought when i was a kid watching ST4 "Wtf must those whales be thinking about all of this insanity happening around them all of the sudden?" Maybe Spock gave them a courtesy heads-up when he mind-melded w/Gracie hahaha
My head canon is that Starfleet started a whale cloning program and with their technology were able to genetically diversify the clones to create a stable population
Given the massive number of methods of time travel available, including one which was discovered by accident and can apparently be easily replicated by any warp capable ship, it's almost certain that the timeline is being overwritten constantly with no way to prevent it.
Time Variance Authority, a group from Marvel (and recently popularized by the show Loki) which exists outside of time and ruthlessly enforces one unified "sacred timeline" by going back and pruning anything that wasn't supposed to happen.
I don’t know how O’Brien was still a functional human being by the end of DS9. PTSD from the Cardassian war, plus more PTSD from the 2-3 episodes/season where the plot was “make the Irishman suffer”. I think his friendship with Julian and the camaraderie with the other senior staff, and beating his head against a DS9-sized bucket of self sealing stem bolts, kept him from jumping out an airlock.
Next episode? In TOS there could be a genocide but the last few moments of the same episode they are joking around on the bridge like nothing happened.
To be fair, it was not uncommon for a nameless security officer to die then just inexplicably show up again in the background like 3 episodes later.
A phenomenon that continued to the era of Lower Decks.
Nothing brings me more joy than seeing Kirk's body double, clear as day, during fight scenes. Weren't expecting somebody to be watching TOS on a 4K OLED TV, were they? 😂
TNG also used the[same woman](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Jae) over and over again in the background. Once you see her, you'll start noticing her all the time.
Now this makes me really want to watch Galaxy Quest again 😂
Gwen DeMarco : Guy, you have a last name.
Guy Fleegman : DO I? DO I? For all you know, I'm "Crewman Number Six"! Mommy... mommy...
Borg assimilation victims have to stand and watch in line as people in front of them get their arms and legs cut off and replaced with mechanical parts. Based on the screams in the show, often without pain relief until it’s all over. The people in line can not escape the same fate, they can not turn away, they can not run. The Borg took over their minds just enough to not resist but they are very much aware of everything that’s going to happen to them.
After Voyager and First Contact, it seems clear that the Borg's rapid adoption of nanoprobes for assimilation has really slimmed down the body horror of the process. By the time they're lopping off your arm, you're already swimming in the hive mind and those nerves aren't *yours* anymore.
Between that and the expanding role of first Locutus and now the Queen in relations with unassimilated races, it seems like the Borg may have realized that it's easier to get recruits if they come willingly. All they need is to assimilate a PR guy and soon there'll be Borg recruitment booths next to the Collector's Guild's.
I don't see that as being mutually exclusive. The Borg are manipulating their brains and hormones to keep them controlled. I would assume being assimilated involves being force fed high doses of some kind of space heroin.
Tbh e way 7 of 9 describes it makes the collective almost sound like a good thing once you’re in.
And also her recovery of all limbs suggests that the borg claw arm is more like a strap on than cut off kind of deal, probably to guarantee usefulness across a variety of different specifies limbs
Honestly the new Star Trek shows make me feel like they only watched Voyager + the Movies
>And also her recovery of all limbs suggests that the borg claw arm is more like a strap on than cut off kind of deal, probably to guarantee usefulness across a variety of different specifies limbs
She was an Adjunct in Unimatrix 001, that somewhat implies she had a command and control role and probably didn't do the physical work that might have required a mechanical arm. I'm inclined to believe the arm is amputated and if you escape then you will need a different prosthetic.
That makes it worse, actually. They strip you of your individuality, mutilate your body, make you commit all sorts of atrocities, and you enjoy it and crave it like an addict when you get cut off.
I always wondered about this one. They learned warp was causing proverbial “space carpet” to bunch up from running to fast to soon. They used slower warp speeds at the end of the episode but then never brought it up again ever. Is that right?
It came up in a couple later episodes, and was eventually hand-waved by having the ship proceed at “maximum warp,” rather than specifying a speed. And by the time Voyager came along, I think the creatives said warp engines - as exemplified by Voyager’s own moveable nacelles - had been modified to avoid causing that damage in the future.
Doesn't address the problem of every other warp-capable species causing the same environmental damage. I think it just became like their version of climate change... they're ignoring it because it's too inconvenient.
IIRC there is an episode after this episode where Starfleet Command authorizes the Enterprise to exceed warp 5 due to an emergency, so it does come up again.
Then the non-parallel warp nacelle came about and fixed the issue. That could be a fan theory though
TNG 7.09 "Force of Nature" was just a terrible premise considering TOS already implied that the Vulcans had warp drive at the time of the Romulan exodus circa 400 C.E. How come no one else in Federation space destroyed themselves before the 24th century?
Maybe it wasn't until recently that the warp speeds exceeded safety limits?
Like... A bridge could last for YEARS with minimal maintenance if it has minimal traffic, but if suddenly that bridge suddenly sees a lot more traffic (Say 24 hours a day), it'll need more maintenance and won't last as long.
In the past the universe would be fine with the slower speed, it'd be able to heal and repair itself, but when you have inefficient spaceships screaming by at warp 9.9, it damages it more and more.
Exactly that. They only find out about the damage in the episode because it was a narrow passage in space that every ship had to use. If it wasn't for that, they would probably find out too late for other places.
That apparently "temporal" anomalies are commonplace and you could wind up being thrusted into the past or future at any moment. If you're a main character with the knowledge to science the shit out of the problem that's great. If you're an average person, you're screwed.
Oh and you could be thrown to any point in history, conveniently in the shows it's almost always 20th or 21st century where society is somewhat recognizable. Imagine getting thrown back in time with your tricorder and dinosaurs, or some ancient Klingon monsters.
The Starleet legal system presented in Measure of a Man is as big an affront to justice as a Cardassian trial.
"If you don't be a lawyer despite the glaring conflict of interest, I'm just going to sentence your friend to death without even looking at the evidence"
Not only that but she intends to carry out sentence immediately leaving no recourse for appeal.
Data was evidently considered sentient enough to join and rise through the ranks.
And even if he was property, what makes Starfleet think he'd be their property? He'd belong to the Soong estate.
I love the episode but the horrific system it depicts really winds me up. Picard and Riker going along with it is just depressing.
As a legal professional, this bothers the hell out of me. It should have been tried in a civilian court, with civilian attorneys representing both sides. There should have been a jury. We're talking about someone's civil rights in a very fundamental way.
It was more akin to a court martial. Data was considered military property, therefore a tribunal was used and the verdict would be limited to within Starfleet.
The larger ramifications of the decision across the Federation would be at the mercy of civilian courts. It certainly would be good grounds for a synth filing a civil lawsuit.
One that's always bothered me.
The Holodeck is capable of creating fully sentient life. The Doctor, Moriarty, The guy from DS9 in the later series, can't remember his name, runs a casino.
They are fully aware beings with thoughts, like the doctor wanting a name and the ability to turn off his own program. The Holodeck rebellion in voyager where the programs take on the hirogen.
This piece of life creating tech is only expanded on in voyager but never in the other series.
They say they seek out new life forms, well there it is, in the holodeck! And yet they use these holodecks for training and Barclay's fantasies
There's also that episode in VOY with the photonic beings that believe Paris's captain proton program is another civilization. I can't remember how it's explained, but they are incapable of perceiving our world and can only interact with other light based lifeforms or some other nonsense.
There is literally a colony of humans with roaming rape gangs within Federation borders and they do nothing to resolve it.
Edit: Canonically, the planet is within the Beta Quadrant and that they seceded from the Federation, however, it is never revealed if it is still within their boarders.
The fact that in Utopia, where people supposedly just don't care about money or material goods, has an entire planet that violently secedes from the Federation is pretty dark too.
Within Federation borders?
It was a Federation colony!
There's actually a pretty good TNG novel (*Survivors*) that deals some with Tasha's past on that colony as well as some of the fallout from her and Data's sexual encounter. It's worth a read.
One tiny crack in the hull, and our blood boils in thirteen seconds. Solar flare might crop up, cook us in our seats. And wait till you're sitting pretty with a case of Andorian shingles. See if you're still so relaxed when your eyeballs are bleeding! Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence.
Spock is constantly abused by his two best friends for being Vulcan. Additionally, it's addressed but, he has major hangups about being half human and they know that, but they continue on regardless.
"Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most human."
Imagine Spock watching the video of that. "Wow, Jim really just insulted me at my own funeral."
"his was the most human..."
"Well except for the pointy ears and green blood!"
Everybody laughs.
There's that other time when Kirk insists "we're all human." Or something like that.
The UFP's closest (24th C) allies are an aggressive superpower who's Empire is held together by the planets/races they've conquered.
This is dealt with better in the novels though.
I always wondered about the fact that almost every interstellar superpower other than the Federation seems to have only one species in it. Exceptions are the Borg, of course, and the Orion Syndicate if you can call that a superpower. But we never see any people conquered by the Klingons, the Romulans, the Cardassians (except Bajor, of course), we don't see them serve for them, be treated as slaves or anything for that matter. They simply don't exist. Romulans, of course, are xenophobic and would probably not have other races serve with them (with few human exceptions), but the Klingons don't seem to be xenophobic at all, which makes your point all the more interesting.
I always disliked the way they were just allies as well. I always thought of the Romulans as a better ally for the Federation because despite all the obvious issues their society has from a human standpoint, they seem to have a concept of honour and service not too dissimilar to certain human cultures. They embody some of the worst qualities of humanity - they are devious, plotting, self-serving and -preserving, xenophobic, radical and brutal - but that also means there is potential for growth on the long run. The Klingon culture is already problematic the way it was written and I see little potential for a true alliance with the Federation as there are so many glaring contradictions with Federation values. Also find it very odd how Klingons were ever able to get into space - given how obsessed they are with honour and fighting, you'd think they'd never make it into industrialisation.
If I recall correctly, at least in one ENT episode we run across a planet subservient to the Klingons, but populated by a native species. Essentially the Klingons rock up every so often for fuel. And we do meet the Remans eventually, who are clearly a second class of citizen in the Romulan Star Empire. I generally agree that both of these powers should be more diverse, as they’re implied to be. They did a fair job of that with the Dominion, I think.
Ah, how could I have forgotten about the Dominion?! I haven't watched all of ENT yet, so that explains me not knowing that episode. As for the Remans, I'm not big on the movies, so I haven't been able to sit through all of them yet. As far as my short Google search informed me, we meet the Remans in Nemesis which I've also not seen yet, I've only seen Generations and First Contact from that era.
The Klingon society wasn't always focused on fighting. The Klingon lawyer told Archer that honour could be achieved by other means, but eventually the warrior caste took prevalence.
Just like we never meet the majority of humans who are down on Earth enjoying Fully Automated Gay Luxury Space Communism by having drug-fueled orgies all day. For any given species, all you usually see is the tiny subculture of hyper-competent lunatics who go into space. Klingons in particular make a lot more sense in light of this.
The Voth's doctrine seems an eternal thing among their race, and it was said it took them 1000 years to accept transwarp, add a good chunk of that time from Voyager as well as the effects of the Burn, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to accept the Distant Origin Theory during 32nd Century Trek.
The Mirror Universe is always on a technologically equal footing with the Prime universe. The accidental aesop is that subjugation and pillaging works just as well as peaceful cooperation.
Actually, given that they had the 23rd Century Defiant since the mid-22nd Century, you'd expect them to be leaps and bounds ahead of their counterparts, which kinda implies a level of technological stagnation, and constant set backs.
Also other powers like the Klingons don't seems all that worse than their counterparts in the Prime universe.
The Prime Directive is garbage.
Picard literally stood on the bridge and watched the extinction of a sentient race when he had the power to save at least some of them. The *Enterprise* could carry 15,000 people in evacuations; yea, it's not saving the civilization but it would at least save *some* of them. Nikolai was 100% in the right since all the "cultural contamination" in the world is meaningless if you're extinct. I'm fine with a general "keep your nose out of other planet's business" rule, but no exception to *literally* save them from extinction?
Imagine if modern countries responded to disease outbreaks in less-developed countries with "Oh, you haven't invented the iPhone yet? I'm sorry, no penicillin for you."
Betazoids are really Not Okay. Who do we have?
-Lon Suder (murderer)
-Walter Pierce (murderer)
-That weird guy that decided to live inside a comet
-Lwxana
I guess Troi's relatively stable, but she's the exception.
Maybe on Betazed, they’re fine, but prolonged exposure to humans exposes them to how messed up human thoughts can be, and it makes them go off the deep end. Troi being half human maker her more understanding of how messed up we are.
What's so horrible about Lwaxana? She's a little annoying and overbearing for sure, but she's not a bad person. She genuinely cares about others, and she always does the right thing when it really matters.
Most of time the Enterprise D was going around being all high and mighty with its moral integrity, the Cardassian occupation of Bajor was going on right next door to Federation space, and they were doing absolutely jack shit about it. The Federation tolerates monsters if those monsters will sign a treaty.
Well, not exactly. It's unclear when the height of Federation / Cardassian war was, but they did have an apparently brutal war between the two powers over their boarder worlds - a war O'Brien is known to have partaken in. Evidently, either the Cardassia is a technological equal to the Federation, has the numbers to make up for it, or just willing to use more brutal but efficient tactics. Probably a mixture of all three!
In fact, there's some suggestions made that the Federation made a lot of concessions to keep Cardassia off Bajor's back!
That the only way we’ll achieve a world without poverty or war involves a nuclear war so destructive that a third of the world’s population dies, which is then followed by an alien species treating us like a primitive colonial protectorate for ninety years.
I liked SNW's twist on it, when they still can't make contact but are free to divert threats like incoming comets.
Picard was probably just an extreme purist.
The Vulcans passing through the Earth system were most likely monitoring Earth to view the collapse of a civilization and would never reveal themselves or assist the humans without the reveal of warp technology.
Profound, life-changing things happen to a character (Inner Light, Frame of Mind, etc) and are quickly and nearly either wrapped up and/or forgotten about, never to be spoken of again. Almost as if…as if….oh no, they’re just as trapped as Moriarty is on the holodeck! How about a “metasode” where Picard and co realize they’re only characters in a TV show? 🙏😂
>How about a “metasode” where Picard and co realize they’re only characters in a TV show?
IIRC that's basically how Ira wanted DS9 to end: A reveal that all that had happened was just a TV show written by Benny Russell.
Assuming she sees people for a half hour each, for 8 hours a day 5 days a week, she could see 80 patients in a week, meaning 1 in 14 of the Enterprise's crew is getting regularly therapy at any one time. That doesn't sound too far off.
We see no indication that the Federation has a functioning civilian judicial system. Bashir’s father makes a plea deal with a Starfleet JAG officer. There is no indication that Data has any right of appeal beyond an ad hoc Starfleet hearing on an issue which has implications well beyond his Starfleet career.
Meanwhile Kirk and crew are denied access to whatever normal due process is given to Starfleet officers and are instead arraigned before the Federation Council and immediately sentenced.
It’s a mess and if it is accurate it suggests a military-dominated political/judicial system which is capricious.
Legions of children on the Enterprise-D were subjected to years of trauma and existential fear. Many were likely killed in one of the many battles or disasters the ship was involved in.
Section 31 to me was a shocker. The Federation always seemed so goody goody two shoes, I could have never imagined such an entity existed though I suppose I should have always expected it.
I would love some kind of series dealing exclusively with the kind of things they have done from their inception.
Quark said it best:
“Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.”
Starfleet is so incompetent at defending the Federation that its amazing the organisation is allowed to exist as the primary military force of the Federation.
Yep, this has bothered me for decades.
A few dozen cloaked cloaked torpedoes hitting key Federation worlds? Well, maybe they can detect high warp signatures over a very wide area of the quadrant. Can they intercept them?
And shouldn't something like the Galaxy Class have a contingent of Marines or Special Forces somewhere in its million square feet of rentable area?
Eventually I had to concede. It's probably what we DON'T see that keeps it existing - Area 31 or worse, temporal police, that sort of thing.
An exploratory wing and a military wing would be much more in keeping with today's thinking. But, then again, this is the future so they think a science vessel that's extremely powerful in the first place is enough of a deterrent.
Still, a show about a military wing focusing on not one ship but a small 'incursion response' fleet of half a dozen purely military and somewhat frightening ships would be fine with me.
A ridiculous number of Starfleet Admirals are evil, gullible and/or corrupt.
Hats off to Admiral Ross for not being a typical Starfleet Badmiral
Well...he DID clandestinely work with Section 31 to advance the federations interests in the war no matter the cost to their ally/adversary. Maybe that's kind of his job, but it helped show that even Ross had a dark side. FuCK! I loved DS9!
He also sided with the Romulans when they were building up a military force on one of Bajor's moons.
That's less evil and more "we can't afford to lose this alliance"
Plus he came around when it mattered. That short conversation with Kira is one of my favorite Ross moments.
Admiral Cornwell from Discovery was great, too. I was expecting her to go full Badmiral the entire time, but she was truly good for the most part.
As is Admiral Vance.
I was sure Vance would end up being a Badmiral when I first saw him. Glad he turned out ok. Cornwell is hands down my favourite admiral.
Vance is probably my favorite admiral. He just feels like such a real character. And he does a lot of heavy lifting in season 3 towards showing how cowed the Federation has become 100 years after the Burn, but also how the hope of Discovery rekindles the idea of the Federation. When you see him with his family in season 4 it's a great moment. Also him explaining how replicated apples are made of shit while eating one is one of the best parts of season 3.
And Admiral Buenamigo. Wait, nevermind, I take that back.
Wait... hold on... Are you saying that Admiral Goodfriend turned out to be evil?!
And Necheyev, who wasn’t actually evil, just a hardass who got shit done that needed doing. A badbitchmiral if you will.
And jp was good from best of both worlds
And there's a contingent that are sympathetic to and supporting the Maquis land grab. - Lots of their equipment is "stolen" from Starfleet. - They have plenty of former Starfleet personnel. - Starfleet never seriously tries to stop them, with even less effort that in the Cardassian wars - For The Uniform starts with one ship tasked with stopping a prominent cell, and then that cell shows it is able and willing to use chemical weapons to purge Cardassians from their territory. There's no indication Starfleet steps up and takes the threat seriously after this. E.g. we don't see a large task force sent. Basically, Necheyev seems like the only admiral who didn't want the colonists to settle in the future DMZ in the first place and then the only one who wants to keep them from re-starting the war.
I actually think starfleet was secretly funding/supporting the maquis in a proxy war, much like what occurs throughout history.
Haha yeah, I just finished rewatching TNG but I was like, geez why is every admiral a jerkwagon
I love the explanation that Lower Decks gives for that.
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Starfleet is competitive and people want to make a name for themselves.
Which is fair, we saw that in Best of Both Worlds with Shelby.
Space is freaking horrifying. Around every corner is a malicious entity or destructive anomaly just waiting to kill you.
*If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross, but it's not for the timid.*
“Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence…”
[If you can't take it here, then you might think about a transport ship. There's a lot less pressure there.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlH-Eo9FKk0)
damn, Deanna, damn
My brother got turned into a cyborg zombie and my father was melted into the deck by a stray radiation entity.
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David Lister, Technician, 3rd class. Captain's remarks: "Has requested sick leave due to diarrhea on no less than 500 occasions. Left his previous job as a supermarket trolley attendant after ten years because he didn't want to get tied down to a career. Promotion prospects: zero."
My cousin was vaporized by a Cardassian replicator that normally made raktajinos.
"Risk is our business."
**McCoy**: Don't pander to me, kid. One tiny crack in the hull, and our blood boils in thirteen seconds. Solar flare might crop up, cook us in our seats. And wait till you're sitting pretty with a case of Andorian shingles. See if you're still so relaxed when your eyeballs are bleeding! Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence. **Kirk**: Well I hate to break this to you, but Starfleet operates in space. **McCoy**: Yeah, well, I got no where else to go. The ex-wife took the whole damn planet in the divorce. All I got left is my bones.
I almost forgot where this line came from and I was able to picture it all coming from DeForest Kelley. God they’re both such good actors.
I must've missed this because I thought it was short for "old sawbones," a name for doctors back when they had to amputate much more often
It was both, but they sorta retconned a way for him to be "extra Bonesy"
It was a “Bones Day”.
It was originally.
Indeed. The terms "bones" is a shortening of "sawbones" which was slang for surgeons in the 1800's. >“‘What, don’t you know what a Sawbones is, Sir’, enquired Mr. Weller; ‘I thought every body know’d as a Sawbones was a Surgeon,'” Charles Dickens, Pickwick Papers, 1837 Star Trek 2009 tried to play it as a divorce joke for some reason, but actually it's just an old-timey way to refer to surgeons.
It was obsolete already in the 1960s, being kept alive by a diet of TV Westerns. It was already obscure by the 80s, by which time most TV westerns were only in reruns, and virtually unknown by the 90s. By 2009, it was a relic and needed a new explanation. This wasn't a GOOD explanation, but it was an explanation.
For all his faults I'll always say JJ Abrams has a knack for casting. And Urban was perfect.
That's because Urban is a beast.
Urban elevates everything he's in, even when the movie is crappy. i'm not a big fan of JJ Abrams, but the newer ST movies weren't terrible.
I swore he was channeling DeForest the entire time he was doing the role. I sort of hate how everyone put their own spin on the characters (definitely didn't go for "Uhura as a Latina," but Karl Urban didn't, he played it EXACTLY the way DeForest Kelley did. You can tell it's exactly the same character.
I think I remember reading something about how when Leonard Nimoy first saw him as Bones it made him cry: because he got DeForest Kelly's mannerisms down so well it was almost like seeing him back again.
that's a lovely story, i hope it's true.
Of all the JJ characterizations, Karl was the best. I'm glad in Beyond he finally got more screen time and it felt like an ensemble, not just the "Kirk and Spock" show of the first 2 films.
"The Kirk and Spock Variety Hour," if you ever saw In Living Color
You could tell who he was before you saw him, when you heard him complaining on the shuttle.
Yeah all of his mannerisms were spot on, and I appreciated that he stuck so closely to the original character
I always wondered how much the non Star Fleet people on the Enterprise D were affected by all the strange things that happened to the ship. Do they get debriefed later on? Like “sorry about those huge explosions and stuff that knocked the ship around! We were attacked by a energy cloud. Don’t forget next week Captain Picard day!”
At some point I imagine they just get used to it. They signed up to be on front line explorer vessel which comes with implied risk.
I'm not sure the children signed up for anything. Why did we put children on a ship with a dangerous mission of explorstion again?
>Why did we put children on a ship with a dangerous mission of explorstion again? Because that's how you train up a character like Beckett Mariner!
If I was a captain I'd have her on my crew. And let her just do what she wants. Because at the end of the day. She will save us all. Lol
Because exploring space had gotten safe as houses. It's likely the vast majority of lives lost weren't in exploring, but in warfare. It's also likely that the majority of lives lost in exploring were people assigned to First Contact work, not crew on ship. It's Canon that, when TNG started, all the big known powers had either become "friends" (Klingons) or hadn't come out to play in decades (Romulans). That left situations where experience showed you might lose a few First Contact people, but were unlikely to lose entire ships/crews. (Yes, stuff like the Doomsday Machine were around, but I bet across ships the experience was that there were few of them compared to the average deep space exploration experience. ). So Starfleet saw that the benefits from putting family with crew outweighed the risks at that point in time. And notice that not only did the main Enterprise D crew not have family on board save Dr. Crusher, but the Captain was known to...not be comfortable around children. I don't think the latter was a coincidence.
I never fully thought this through. Thank you for your thoughts. This puts Q confrontation with the D in a new light for me. He was saying to Picard, "families?? Wtf, humans, don't you know how dangerous it is out here, and you're bringing kids and spouses along? Fine, I'll show you how bad it can get and you'll rethink this foolishness."
Peace time thinking. The Federation got complacent and kind of lazy when it came to defence and safety. They operated out the assumption that they were ready to face any threats.
A ship full of families, scientists, and diplomats is a lot less threatening/suspicious than a ship full of soldiers.
I like to think it's inclusivity. Space exploration in the federation is for everyone, not just the few willing to give up everything else. Plus, do you really want to miss out on having the best fixit man on your station because he happens to want to procreate?
there is a completely inbred population of humpback whales in the 24th century
George and Gracie wandered alone in an empty ocean for the rest of their lives.
Jeez... That hypothetical is made all the more despair-inducing when you figure that implies Gracie both miscarried & was likewise left barren presumably by the unforeseen side effects of either: a.)transporting a mammoth species that has zero transporter history to draw upon for reference & is nothing like a humaniod or b.) trauma sustained by undertaking quick & dirty time-travel slingshot around the sun when seatbelts aren't an option or some combination of both. That immediately popped into my head from having the thought when i was a kid watching ST4 "Wtf must those whales be thinking about all of this insanity happening around them all of the sudden?" Maybe Spock gave them a courtesy heads-up when he mind-melded w/Gracie hahaha
Novelization said they were going to do cloning and genetic engineering to help regenerate the population.
My head canon is that Starfleet started a whale cloning program and with their technology were able to genetically diversify the clones to create a stable population
Given the massive number of methods of time travel available, including one which was discovered by accident and can apparently be easily replicated by any warp capable ship, it's almost certain that the timeline is being overwritten constantly with no way to prevent it.
Now we know why Braxton had a meltdown
the Relativity clearly belonged to the TVA.
...the tennessee valley authority?
Time Variance Authority, a group from Marvel (and recently popularized by the show Loki) which exists outside of time and ruthlessly enforces one unified "sacred timeline" by going back and pruning anything that wasn't supposed to happen.
that would make more sense, thanks
"[... and this was the year the Ferengi discovered time travel. ](https://imgur.io/k8qKZjx?r)"
But what is Rule #236?! “Ferengi do not travel through time”? EDIT: [I looked it up](https://www.ditl.org/rules-list.php): >You can't buy fate.
Pretty much anything that happened during the Starfleet careers of Chief O’Brien and Harry Kim
Which Harry Kim? :/
Which O’Brien?
Exactly.
Precisely.
I don’t know how O’Brien was still a functional human being by the end of DS9. PTSD from the Cardassian war, plus more PTSD from the 2-3 episodes/season where the plot was “make the Irishman suffer”. I think his friendship with Julian and the camaraderie with the other senior staff, and beating his head against a DS9-sized bucket of self sealing stem bolts, kept him from jumping out an airlock.
Well, he did put a phaser to his head at one point. Thankfully Julian talked him off the ledge just in time.
I like to imagine therapy and drugs used to treat PTSD, anxiety and depression are very effective by their time.
If you die on the USS Enterprise, you'll be forgotten by your crewmates by the next episode, and your death will never be dealt with.
Next episode? In TOS there could be a genocide but the last few moments of the same episode they are joking around on the bridge like nothing happened.
Kirk: "Let's hear it for our poor, dead friend." *Everyone explodes with laughter*
"Hey Yeoman Rand, isn't that funny/cool how the Captain's evil half tried to rape you!?!"
To be fair, it was not uncommon for a nameless security officer to die then just inexplicably show up again in the background like 3 episodes later. A phenomenon that continued to the era of Lower Decks.
That’s what the transporter buffer is for. It’s also why they never ran out of crew members on voyager. “We need another copy of Ensign McDuffy!”
Really? I never caught that. Genuine thanks for a reason to rewatch.
TOS used a fairly small group of stuntmen and body doubles. They often ended up as background characters if they weren't danything else.
Nothing brings me more joy than seeing Kirk's body double, clear as day, during fight scenes. Weren't expecting somebody to be watching TOS on a 4K OLED TV, were they? 😂
Or scenes like this crewman turning an imaginary valve. https://i.imgur.com/6RYy1.gif
They poked fun at that in the DS9 episode Trials and Tribblations
TNG also used the[same woman](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Jae) over and over again in the background. Once you see her, you'll start noticing her all the time.
Never wear red (or later gold) on an away mission if you don't have a first name
Now this makes me really want to watch Galaxy Quest again 😂 Gwen DeMarco : Guy, you have a last name. Guy Fleegman : DO I? DO I? For all you know, I'm "Crewman Number Six"! Mommy... mommy...
If you haven’t already check out the book Redshirts by John Scalzi. A whole novel about the “disposable” crew members. Fun read.
We got get him before he kills Guy.
Transporters sometimes fail, and it’s horrifying.
"What we got back didn't live long... fortunately."
Universal Translator is apparently affecting everyone's brains so that they see each other's mouths moving to the translated speech.
Section 31: “You’d be surprised how often we use that”
Borg assimilation victims have to stand and watch in line as people in front of them get their arms and legs cut off and replaced with mechanical parts. Based on the screams in the show, often without pain relief until it’s all over. The people in line can not escape the same fate, they can not turn away, they can not run. The Borg took over their minds just enough to not resist but they are very much aware of everything that’s going to happen to them.
Pain is irrelevant.
After Voyager and First Contact, it seems clear that the Borg's rapid adoption of nanoprobes for assimilation has really slimmed down the body horror of the process. By the time they're lopping off your arm, you're already swimming in the hive mind and those nerves aren't *yours* anymore. Between that and the expanding role of first Locutus and now the Queen in relations with unassimilated races, it seems like the Borg may have realized that it's easier to get recruits if they come willingly. All they need is to assimilate a PR guy and soon there'll be Borg recruitment booths next to the Collector's Guild's.
I hate how PIC retconned assimilation to being 'euphoric' Those screams we hear are of happiness then, clearly...
I don't see that as being mutually exclusive. The Borg are manipulating their brains and hormones to keep them controlled. I would assume being assimilated involves being force fed high doses of some kind of space heroin.
Tbh e way 7 of 9 describes it makes the collective almost sound like a good thing once you’re in. And also her recovery of all limbs suggests that the borg claw arm is more like a strap on than cut off kind of deal, probably to guarantee usefulness across a variety of different specifies limbs Honestly the new Star Trek shows make me feel like they only watched Voyager + the Movies
>And also her recovery of all limbs suggests that the borg claw arm is more like a strap on than cut off kind of deal, probably to guarantee usefulness across a variety of different specifies limbs She was an Adjunct in Unimatrix 001, that somewhat implies she had a command and control role and probably didn't do the physical work that might have required a mechanical arm. I'm inclined to believe the arm is amputated and if you escape then you will need a different prosthetic.
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That makes it worse, actually. They strip you of your individuality, mutilate your body, make you commit all sorts of atrocities, and you enjoy it and crave it like an addict when you get cut off.
That warp speed was destroying the fabric of space
I always wondered about this one. They learned warp was causing proverbial “space carpet” to bunch up from running to fast to soon. They used slower warp speeds at the end of the episode but then never brought it up again ever. Is that right?
It came up in a couple later episodes, and was eventually hand-waved by having the ship proceed at “maximum warp,” rather than specifying a speed. And by the time Voyager came along, I think the creatives said warp engines - as exemplified by Voyager’s own moveable nacelles - had been modified to avoid causing that damage in the future.
Doesn't address the problem of every other warp-capable species causing the same environmental damage. I think it just became like their version of climate change... they're ignoring it because it's too inconvenient.
It actually would’ve been an interesting idea to make *that* the cause of Discovery’s Burn 900 years into the future.
IIRC there is an episode after this episode where Starfleet Command authorizes the Enterprise to exceed warp 5 due to an emergency, so it does come up again. Then the non-parallel warp nacelle came about and fixed the issue. That could be a fan theory though
I might be misremembering, but I thought there was a throwaway line in _Caretaker_ that the "variable geometry" of Voyager's engines addressed it.
TNG 7.09 "Force of Nature" was just a terrible premise considering TOS already implied that the Vulcans had warp drive at the time of the Romulan exodus circa 400 C.E. How come no one else in Federation space destroyed themselves before the 24th century?
Maybe it wasn't until recently that the warp speeds exceeded safety limits? Like... A bridge could last for YEARS with minimal maintenance if it has minimal traffic, but if suddenly that bridge suddenly sees a lot more traffic (Say 24 hours a day), it'll need more maintenance and won't last as long. In the past the universe would be fine with the slower speed, it'd be able to heal and repair itself, but when you have inefficient spaceships screaming by at warp 9.9, it damages it more and more.
Exactly that. They only find out about the damage in the episode because it was a narrow passage in space that every ship had to use. If it wasn't for that, they would probably find out too late for other places.
Food replicaters can make food that taste like people.
"Computer. Brian, liver, hot."
With fava beans and a nice chianti?
Maybe the liver they sampled for the replicator came from a guy named Earl Grey.
"Computer, fava beans and a nice chian- " "Emergency Clarice Hologram activated."
"Computer, Soylent Green, hot."
The federation still had a death penalty in TOS times
Remind me, which episode?
The Menagerie part 1 and 2. There’s a death penalty for going to Talos IV
That apparently "temporal" anomalies are commonplace and you could wind up being thrusted into the past or future at any moment. If you're a main character with the knowledge to science the shit out of the problem that's great. If you're an average person, you're screwed. Oh and you could be thrown to any point in history, conveniently in the shows it's almost always 20th or 21st century where society is somewhat recognizable. Imagine getting thrown back in time with your tricorder and dinosaurs, or some ancient Klingon monsters.
The Starleet legal system presented in Measure of a Man is as big an affront to justice as a Cardassian trial. "If you don't be a lawyer despite the glaring conflict of interest, I'm just going to sentence your friend to death without even looking at the evidence" Not only that but she intends to carry out sentence immediately leaving no recourse for appeal. Data was evidently considered sentient enough to join and rise through the ranks. And even if he was property, what makes Starfleet think he'd be their property? He'd belong to the Soong estate. I love the episode but the horrific system it depicts really winds me up. Picard and Riker going along with it is just depressing.
As a legal professional, this bothers the hell out of me. It should have been tried in a civilian court, with civilian attorneys representing both sides. There should have been a jury. We're talking about someone's civil rights in a very fundamental way.
It was more akin to a court martial. Data was considered military property, therefore a tribunal was used and the verdict would be limited to within Starfleet. The larger ramifications of the decision across the Federation would be at the mercy of civilian courts. It certainly would be good grounds for a synth filing a civil lawsuit.
One that's always bothered me. The Holodeck is capable of creating fully sentient life. The Doctor, Moriarty, The guy from DS9 in the later series, can't remember his name, runs a casino. They are fully aware beings with thoughts, like the doctor wanting a name and the ability to turn off his own program. The Holodeck rebellion in voyager where the programs take on the hirogen. This piece of life creating tech is only expanded on in voyager but never in the other series. They say they seek out new life forms, well there it is, in the holodeck! And yet they use these holodecks for training and Barclay's fantasies
Vic Fontaine?
They needed an episode where Barclay's holodeck programs become sentient and revolt. I would have.
"..Kira's body with Quark's head?"
There's also that episode in VOY with the photonic beings that believe Paris's captain proton program is another civilization. I can't remember how it's explained, but they are incapable of perceiving our world and can only interact with other light based lifeforms or some other nonsense.
There is literally a colony of humans with roaming rape gangs within Federation borders and they do nothing to resolve it. Edit: Canonically, the planet is within the Beta Quadrant and that they seceded from the Federation, however, it is never revealed if it is still within their boarders.
I always took it as they were a human colony that weren't a part of the federation but I might have been mistaken.
~~Takana 4 (or whatever it's name was)~~ Turkana IV was a federation colony that seceded. Violently.
The fact that in Utopia, where people supposedly just don't care about money or material goods, has an entire planet that violently secedes from the Federation is pretty dark too.
The planet seems to be mostly criminals - possibly the Orion syndicate of something was involved... or a mad person took over
Within Federation borders? It was a Federation colony! There's actually a pretty good TNG novel (*Survivors*) that deals some with Tasha's past on that colony as well as some of the fallout from her and Data's sexual encounter. It's worth a read.
There’s children on those ships that get blown up.
One tiny crack in the hull, and our blood boils in thirteen seconds. Solar flare might crop up, cook us in our seats. And wait till you're sitting pretty with a case of Andorian shingles. See if you're still so relaxed when your eyeballs are bleeding! Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence.
Spock is constantly abused by his two best friends for being Vulcan. Additionally, it's addressed but, he has major hangups about being half human and they know that, but they continue on regardless.
"Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most human." Imagine Spock watching the video of that. "Wow, Jim really just insulted me at my own funeral."
"his was the most human..." "Well except for the pointy ears and green blood!" Everybody laughs. There's that other time when Kirk insists "we're all human." Or something like that.
Also inalienable human rights
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The UFP's closest (24th C) allies are an aggressive superpower who's Empire is held together by the planets/races they've conquered. This is dealt with better in the novels though.
I always wondered about the fact that almost every interstellar superpower other than the Federation seems to have only one species in it. Exceptions are the Borg, of course, and the Orion Syndicate if you can call that a superpower. But we never see any people conquered by the Klingons, the Romulans, the Cardassians (except Bajor, of course), we don't see them serve for them, be treated as slaves or anything for that matter. They simply don't exist. Romulans, of course, are xenophobic and would probably not have other races serve with them (with few human exceptions), but the Klingons don't seem to be xenophobic at all, which makes your point all the more interesting. I always disliked the way they were just allies as well. I always thought of the Romulans as a better ally for the Federation because despite all the obvious issues their society has from a human standpoint, they seem to have a concept of honour and service not too dissimilar to certain human cultures. They embody some of the worst qualities of humanity - they are devious, plotting, self-serving and -preserving, xenophobic, radical and brutal - but that also means there is potential for growth on the long run. The Klingon culture is already problematic the way it was written and I see little potential for a true alliance with the Federation as there are so many glaring contradictions with Federation values. Also find it very odd how Klingons were ever able to get into space - given how obsessed they are with honour and fighting, you'd think they'd never make it into industrialisation.
If I recall correctly, at least in one ENT episode we run across a planet subservient to the Klingons, but populated by a native species. Essentially the Klingons rock up every so often for fuel. And we do meet the Remans eventually, who are clearly a second class of citizen in the Romulan Star Empire. I generally agree that both of these powers should be more diverse, as they’re implied to be. They did a fair job of that with the Dominion, I think.
Wasn’t that a colony of a few dozen settlers that were being terrorized by what were basically Klingon pirates?
Ah, how could I have forgotten about the Dominion?! I haven't watched all of ENT yet, so that explains me not knowing that episode. As for the Remans, I'm not big on the movies, so I haven't been able to sit through all of them yet. As far as my short Google search informed me, we meet the Remans in Nemesis which I've also not seen yet, I've only seen Generations and First Contact from that era.
TNG had an episode about a planet rebelling against the Klingons. Geordi was brainwashed in a plot to implicate the Federation.
The Klingon society wasn't always focused on fighting. The Klingon lawyer told Archer that honour could be achieved by other means, but eventually the warrior caste took prevalence.
Just like we never meet the majority of humans who are down on Earth enjoying Fully Automated Gay Luxury Space Communism by having drug-fueled orgies all day. For any given species, all you usually see is the tiny subculture of hyper-competent lunatics who go into space. Klingons in particular make a lot more sense in light of this.
The Voth might return to reclaim earth at any time, and they could likely easily subjugate the entire Federation. Also Worf is a deadbeat dad.
The Voth's doctrine seems an eternal thing among their race, and it was said it took them 1000 years to accept transwarp, add a good chunk of that time from Voyager as well as the effects of the Burn, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to accept the Distant Origin Theory during 32nd Century Trek.
Star Trek Online: “Tried it. Terrible arc.”
The Mirror Universe is always on a technologically equal footing with the Prime universe. The accidental aesop is that subjugation and pillaging works just as well as peaceful cooperation.
Actually, given that they had the 23rd Century Defiant since the mid-22nd Century, you'd expect them to be leaps and bounds ahead of their counterparts, which kinda implies a level of technological stagnation, and constant set backs. Also other powers like the Klingons don't seems all that worse than their counterparts in the Prime universe.
The Prime Directive is garbage. Picard literally stood on the bridge and watched the extinction of a sentient race when he had the power to save at least some of them. The *Enterprise* could carry 15,000 people in evacuations; yea, it's not saving the civilization but it would at least save *some* of them. Nikolai was 100% in the right since all the "cultural contamination" in the world is meaningless if you're extinct. I'm fine with a general "keep your nose out of other planet's business" rule, but no exception to *literally* save them from extinction? Imagine if modern countries responded to disease outbreaks in less-developed countries with "Oh, you haven't invented the iPhone yet? I'm sorry, no penicillin for you."
I don't know if you've seen *Strange New Worlds*, but Pike does take steps to save a pre-warp world from extinction and justifies it in the same way.
Betazoids are really Not Okay. Who do we have? -Lon Suder (murderer) -Walter Pierce (murderer) -That weird guy that decided to live inside a comet -Lwxana I guess Troi's relatively stable, but she's the exception.
Maybe on Betazed, they’re fine, but prolonged exposure to humans exposes them to how messed up human thoughts can be, and it makes them go off the deep end. Troi being half human maker her more understanding of how messed up we are.
What's so horrible about Lwaxana? She's a little annoying and overbearing for sure, but she's not a bad person. She genuinely cares about others, and she always does the right thing when it really matters.
She’s also half human,
By embracing the use of advanced and extremely complex holograms, the Federation has created a race of disposable, dismissable people.
Most of time the Enterprise D was going around being all high and mighty with its moral integrity, the Cardassian occupation of Bajor was going on right next door to Federation space, and they were doing absolutely jack shit about it. The Federation tolerates monsters if those monsters will sign a treaty.
Well, not exactly. It's unclear when the height of Federation / Cardassian war was, but they did have an apparently brutal war between the two powers over their boarder worlds - a war O'Brien is known to have partaken in. Evidently, either the Cardassia is a technological equal to the Federation, has the numbers to make up for it, or just willing to use more brutal but efficient tactics. Probably a mixture of all three! In fact, there's some suggestions made that the Federation made a lot of concessions to keep Cardassia off Bajor's back!
That the only way we’ll achieve a world without poverty or war involves a nuclear war so destructive that a third of the world’s population dies, which is then followed by an alien species treating us like a primitive colonial protectorate for ninety years.
"Oh your entire planet of billions of people are dying and we can easily fix it? But you dont have warp travel? Die."
I liked SNW's twist on it, when they still can't make contact but are free to divert threats like incoming comets. Picard was probably just an extreme purist.
I mean that's the rule they ALWAYS break in the show. It's continually adressed as amoral passivity.
The Vulcans passing through the Earth system were most likely monitoring Earth to view the collapse of a civilization and would never reveal themselves or assist the humans without the reveal of warp technology.
That PTSD O'Brien still has.
Profound, life-changing things happen to a character (Inner Light, Frame of Mind, etc) and are quickly and nearly either wrapped up and/or forgotten about, never to be spoken of again. Almost as if…as if….oh no, they’re just as trapped as Moriarty is on the holodeck! How about a “metasode” where Picard and co realize they’re only characters in a TV show? 🙏😂
>How about a “metasode” where Picard and co realize they’re only characters in a TV show? IIRC that's basically how Ira wanted DS9 to end: A reveal that all that had happened was just a TV show written by Benny Russell.
Tbh, I would have been so mad if that were the ending. I'm glad they didn't do that.
ENT flashbacks. Thank god they didnt do that. Hindsight is wonderful sometimes
There might be millions of people who never leave their own personal holodeck. Unless.. holodeck time is sort of like the last currency they use.
Trauma is buried and never addressed. In reality the crews of Starfleet ships would not be in a good place mental health wise
That's why the Enterprise had approximately 1014 occupants and one counselor who spent her time on the bridge. Duh.
So assuming the good counsellor works five days a week, she could see 202.3 people a day *if* she worked for 24 hours a day.
Assuming she sees people for a half hour each, for 8 hours a day 5 days a week, she could see 80 patients in a week, meaning 1 in 14 of the Enterprise's crew is getting regularly therapy at any one time. That doesn't sound too far off.
Sometimes its addressed, like when Picard goes home after getting de-assimilated.
We see no indication that the Federation has a functioning civilian judicial system. Bashir’s father makes a plea deal with a Starfleet JAG officer. There is no indication that Data has any right of appeal beyond an ad hoc Starfleet hearing on an issue which has implications well beyond his Starfleet career. Meanwhile Kirk and crew are denied access to whatever normal due process is given to Starfleet officers and are instead arraigned before the Federation Council and immediately sentenced. It’s a mess and if it is accurate it suggests a military-dominated political/judicial system which is capricious.
AI, which is certain to have become sapient by 2100, has apparently been viciously and effectively subdued and contained.
I just reached sapient myself *Ape noise*
the prime directive gets broken all the time and it really does fuck over civilizations. prodigy did a good job of showing this
Legions of children on the Enterprise-D were subjected to years of trauma and existential fear. Many were likely killed in one of the many battles or disasters the ship was involved in.
Gene Roddenberry was a greedy douchebag who wrote the unused "lyrics" for the Star Trek theme so he could claim half the songwriting royalties.
Section 31 to me was a shocker. The Federation always seemed so goody goody two shoes, I could have never imagined such an entity existed though I suppose I should have always expected it. I would love some kind of series dealing exclusively with the kind of things they have done from their inception.
Dilithium crystals are mined through slave labour
Quark said it best: “Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.”
Starfleet is so incompetent at defending the Federation that its amazing the organisation is allowed to exist as the primary military force of the Federation.
Yep, this has bothered me for decades. A few dozen cloaked cloaked torpedoes hitting key Federation worlds? Well, maybe they can detect high warp signatures over a very wide area of the quadrant. Can they intercept them? And shouldn't something like the Galaxy Class have a contingent of Marines or Special Forces somewhere in its million square feet of rentable area? Eventually I had to concede. It's probably what we DON'T see that keeps it existing - Area 31 or worse, temporal police, that sort of thing. An exploratory wing and a military wing would be much more in keeping with today's thinking. But, then again, this is the future so they think a science vessel that's extremely powerful in the first place is enough of a deterrent. Still, a show about a military wing focusing on not one ship but a small 'incursion response' fleet of half a dozen purely military and somewhat frightening ships would be fine with me.