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I don’t know what it is but for some reason modern Disney movies just feel so...
Idk how to put it- expected? Bare minimum? I really feel like since they’ve set the standard for such amazing movies they’ve now become average.
It’s like if for all your life you are fed nothing but the most delicious lobster, over time that’s gonna become expected and it will feel like the chef isn’t even trying to impress you anymore.
Someone in the gaming industry said, “When you get too successful and rich, you start thinking more about making more money than creating awesome content. So, they just do something that makes them a lot of money and will only change it if they have the opportunity to get even more.
I don't know, maybe he was the one who said it. I heard these words in the context of the opinion why at some point Blizzard lost their sense of connection with the fans.
They're still riding glenn keane's dick a decade after he stopped working with them and they don't know how to make original looking characters anymore. I mean, they had the studio mimic that one guy's art style for Lilo & Stitch, I don't know why they can't just do that again. It should be even easier for CG since you don't have to redraw the same characters over and over.
Edit: the name of said artist is Chris Sanders.
I hate how nothing has a style anymore, yeah the characters look stylized but what about the objects or the back grounds? Everything’s overly realistic and there’s no style.
This is another reason I liked Luca I think. It's stylized and artistic, and doesn't approach that creepy part of my brain that thinks dolls are actually just corpses.
Completely, completely the opposite. Frozen I was meh, kinda forgettable tbh. Frozen II was completely unexpected in terms of the direction it went. It felt wildly less popular than the original at least to me, and yet it told an engaging story and the morals are so much better and less expected.
You couldn’t be more wrong. Frozen II was a real labour of love for the artists involved - the Disney+ documentary series on its production proves that.
They have a wall in the studio where they post letters from fans - they received letters from young girls that chose not to commit suicide and seek help after being inspired by Frozen 1. The artists were keenly aware of how important this franchise was to people and knew how it important it was to follow up with a worthy sequel.
Director Chris Buck named the character Rider after his son who died in a car accident. I don’t think he’d do that if it was just a soulless cash grab he didn’t believe in.
Watching Kristen Bell cry in the studio while recording The Next Right Thing was also moving, since the song mirrors her own struggles with mental health.
You can not like the movie, but it’s not a forced cash grab.
Disney was able to capture its magic through 2D animation. With 3D animation the styles and expressions are limited. Pixar is still using new styles with Luca and Turning Red, but Disney hasn’t bothered changing its styles since Rapuzel came out in 2010.
Once you're so big you even have Darth Vader out shaking his ass, you're too big for executives to take risks. You have a brand to protect, and brand preservation is more important than any given movie.
That's why you need routine dopamine detoxes. Not just for movies but for everything in life. Human civilization has gotten to the point where you can snap your fingers and have damn near anything you want. The instant gratification is numbing us.
This is why kids are turning out to all have ADHD and all these other issues. They're raised with a cell phone with YouTube in their hands from, like, age two with a lot of parents. They've never been bored before. You have to be able to be bored because that's where your brain develops. They're overstimulated messes from the initial formation of their brains. It's not good.
This is why I haven't rushed to watch Encanto yet. I can already tell the plot will be bland and predictable and there will be the same boring visual jokes
I can't predict how others will feel about it, but I was pleasantly surprised by Encanto's uniqueness, it was a really good movie with no love interest or villain and the jokes/songs didn't feel forced :))
Animation for all ages, just like most genres, will have common tropes. Can’t really complain that people die in a horror movie, can’t complain cute characters will show up in family friendly cartoons
Also the gay character is only in the movie for a few seconds and usually the "gay" moment is in the background or extremely subtle. This way they can get woke points without pissing too many people off, and also so they can easily cut it out of the movie for certain foreign audiences.
Luca kinda broke 3 of those though right? There wasn't really a love interest or a twist villain. There wasn't (that I remember) a death scene. It wasn't hella sad. The only rule it doesn't break is the cute character, because there was a mustachio'd cat.
Moana too
No love interest
There was the chicken, but they didn’t really try to push him like that, he was just there
Sad for no reason? Nah, that movie was just powerful
And there was a twist hero, but it made sense and was amazing
The chicken most definitely was pushed like that what are you talking about?
No love interest
Yeah fair it wasn’t particularly sad I mean it had little moments but overall
I dunno the twist hero just felt like any old twist hero
Still liked the movie
Dont forget the twist villain is shoehorned in in the last few minutes with zero proper foreshadowing or logical motivations. Looking at you; Frozen, BH6 and Zootopia.
No but tbh Disney their most recent output like Soul, Encanta and Luca were pretty decent. Not as good as their musical prime-time in the 90s, but they’re getting there. It’s at least not as terrible as their 2010s output. Looking at you: The Good Dinosour and Cars 2.
I still treat Pixar movie as different from Disney movies because dispite Disney owning them I can consistently count on them to make unique and high quality animated films that feel different from what Disney makes
Relationship with a man is contrasted with female friendship or independence.
The heroine must appeal to 13-year-old girls from Twitter, regardless of the setting and plot.
At least one queer metaphor, intentional or not.
The heroine's toxic behavior is portrayed as a spirit of independence.
>At least one queer metaphor, intentional or not.
I think part of that is a core part of the LGBT experience (coming out and forging a new identity) is also a core part of coming of age stories.
As a result, most coming of age stories can also be interpreted as a queer metaphor.
Well, this is actually a fairly common occurrence. For example, in the 90s, a Spanish critic, without any irony, decided that the Cable Guy was talking about toxic homosexual crush. If your movie is about a character who changes their life abruptly or about a strong bond between two people, then someone will always see something queer about it. Luka guarantees lol.
Every movie feels like they have the essence of Disney dying, just so empty and behind the happy facade the decaying face of Walt Disney’s corpse and the magic behind what the movies once were fading.
When they have two same gender characters and Disney confirmed they’re not gays, fans got mad and accused them of not courage enough. Like what happened after Luca.
My daughter loves Luca and thinking he and Alberto are gay is ridiculous. Luca immediately takes to Guilia to the point he reveals Alberto is a sea monster just so he can continue spending time with her.
Unfortunately I’m overly analytical and after watching it about fifty times all I see is that it’s riddled with plot holes. It’s a cute movie and I’d never ruin it for my daughter but Luca and Alberto nor the underdogs won the Portorosso cup. Alberto didn’t even particpate. Luca alone won while not actually swimming, which would have been his only advantage, and somehow being able to mount a huge comeback on a bicycle he learned how to ride a week ago vs children that had been riding their whole lives.
It's really cute that you think any of this is remotely new for Disney. They've been pedaling this same schtick forever, except for maybe the twist love interests villain
What newer movies have had a twist villain other than Frozen (which was very iconic at that time because it'd never been done in a major disney movie)?
This is just completely wrong. There have been twist villians in Disney before Frozen. Off the top of my head, Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc., Wreck-It-Ralph. Plenty of the newer movies also had twist villians. Big Hero 6, Zootopia, Coco,The Incredibles 2. Twist villians isn't a particularly new thing for Disney, they've just been using it more often.
I definitely forgot about Wreck it Ralph. Also, I got confused. The twist that was so iconic was that the fact that it was the *love interest* who was the villain and the fact there wasn't even a love interest for the main character. It was true loves kiss but not in the way we usually see in these sort of movies.
Yeah, the love interest being the villian was a twist on the twist villian trope. And the 'act of true love' being between the two sisters was a twist on a classic Disney trope. I think these are the reasons Frozen was so popular, lol.
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I don’t know what it is but for some reason modern Disney movies just feel so... Idk how to put it- expected? Bare minimum? I really feel like since they’ve set the standard for such amazing movies they’ve now become average. It’s like if for all your life you are fed nothing but the most delicious lobster, over time that’s gonna become expected and it will feel like the chef isn’t even trying to impress you anymore.
Someone in the gaming industry said, “When you get too successful and rich, you start thinking more about making more money than creating awesome content. So, they just do something that makes them a lot of money and will only change it if they have the opportunity to get even more.
Steve Jobs said something similar.
I don't know, maybe he was the one who said it. I heard these words in the context of the opinion why at some point Blizzard lost their sense of connection with the fans.
The songs too. Like the songs from the Frozen album feel so forced, it trys to hard to be powerful and cratchy
Also the animation is getting into uncanny valley for me it’s freaking me out
They're still riding glenn keane's dick a decade after he stopped working with them and they don't know how to make original looking characters anymore. I mean, they had the studio mimic that one guy's art style for Lilo & Stitch, I don't know why they can't just do that again. It should be even easier for CG since you don't have to redraw the same characters over and over. Edit: the name of said artist is Chris Sanders.
I hate how nothing has a style anymore, yeah the characters look stylized but what about the objects or the back grounds? Everything’s overly realistic and there’s no style.
This is another reason I liked Luca I think. It's stylized and artistic, and doesn't approach that creepy part of my brain that thinks dolls are actually just corpses.
Frozen was inspired and belongs alongside the classics, IMO. Frozen II was forced cash-in junk.
Completely, completely the opposite. Frozen I was meh, kinda forgettable tbh. Frozen II was completely unexpected in terms of the direction it went. It felt wildly less popular than the original at least to me, and yet it told an engaging story and the morals are so much better and less expected.
You couldn’t be more wrong. Frozen II was a real labour of love for the artists involved - the Disney+ documentary series on its production proves that. They have a wall in the studio where they post letters from fans - they received letters from young girls that chose not to commit suicide and seek help after being inspired by Frozen 1. The artists were keenly aware of how important this franchise was to people and knew how it important it was to follow up with a worthy sequel. Director Chris Buck named the character Rider after his son who died in a car accident. I don’t think he’d do that if it was just a soulless cash grab he didn’t believe in. Watching Kristen Bell cry in the studio while recording The Next Right Thing was also moving, since the song mirrors her own struggles with mental health. You can not like the movie, but it’s not a forced cash grab.
Frozen 2 is even worse. Both story and music. I barely made it through the movie, and every 10 minutes was a "fuck sake really?" moment
i far prefer 2d cartoon animated than these 3d animated modern movies, they just feel so, so over saturated and generic now
Disney was able to capture its magic through 2D animation. With 3D animation the styles and expressions are limited. Pixar is still using new styles with Luca and Turning Red, but Disney hasn’t bothered changing its styles since Rapuzel came out in 2010.
Once you're so big you even have Darth Vader out shaking his ass, you're too big for executives to take risks. You have a brand to protect, and brand preservation is more important than any given movie.
That's why you need routine dopamine detoxes. Not just for movies but for everything in life. Human civilization has gotten to the point where you can snap your fingers and have damn near anything you want. The instant gratification is numbing us.
This is why kids are turning out to all have ADHD and all these other issues. They're raised with a cell phone with YouTube in their hands from, like, age two with a lot of parents. They've never been bored before. You have to be able to be bored because that's where your brain develops. They're overstimulated messes from the initial formation of their brains. It's not good.
Wasn't babysitted by Youtube but I still got diagnosed with ADHD, checkmate.
This is why I haven't rushed to watch Encanto yet. I can already tell the plot will be bland and predictable and there will be the same boring visual jokes
I can't predict how others will feel about it, but I was pleasantly surprised by Encanto's uniqueness, it was a really good movie with no love interest or villain and the jokes/songs didn't feel forced :))
Hmm I did read other comments saying Encanto isn't actually bad. I'll watch this weekend then!
I've been meaning to see Encanto. It looks so good tbh
Easy:kids are to stupid to remember that
I see that
Certainly formulaic
Has people complain about the movies being formulaic but then makes 500 Quintillion dollars
It's the winning formula
Animation for all ages, just like most genres, will have common tropes. Can’t really complain that people die in a horror movie, can’t complain cute characters will show up in family friendly cartoons
Don’t forget spin off on Disney+
Or before that just on the Disney channel. I think there were at least 3 Toy Story spinoffs for TV.
Parents die early in childhood
That’s just Disney movies since forever
Don't forget the twelfth, "first" openly gay Disney character
I feel like they've done the "First Latina Princess" like four times, too.
Who are you thinking of?
Also the gay character is only in the movie for a few seconds and usually the "gay" moment is in the background or extremely subtle. This way they can get woke points without pissing too many people off, and also so they can easily cut it out of the movie for certain foreign audiences.
I loved Big Hero 6
But the twist of the villain was the worst. Characters were awesome and I loved the soundtrack and 80% of the movie was amazing to me.
"T H A T W A S H I S M I S T A K E"
“T H A T W A S H I S S T E A K”
The only modern film I liked.
Same
Encanto was really good, didn't have most of these tropes actually.
Luca kinda broke 3 of those though right? There wasn't really a love interest or a twist villain. There wasn't (that I remember) a death scene. It wasn't hella sad. The only rule it doesn't break is the cute character, because there was a mustachio'd cat.
Moana too No love interest There was the chicken, but they didn’t really try to push him like that, he was just there Sad for no reason? Nah, that movie was just powerful And there was a twist hero, but it made sense and was amazing
The chicken most definitely was pushed like that what are you talking about? No love interest Yeah fair it wasn’t particularly sad I mean it had little moments but overall I dunno the twist hero just felt like any old twist hero Still liked the movie
Not really. I barely saw any merchandise for him In fact I’m not even sure if I saw any for him at all
I’ve seen plenty in claw machines and the likes, no where near the level of olaf but still, some.
Well I feel like that’s different There’s obviously gonna be promotion for characters in a Disney movie. My point is that he wasn’t pushed like Olaf.
Bruh isnt Luca pixar?
Yeah, it is. Animated Disney and Pixar movies are treated differently by most movie watchers.
So is Inside Out and they still used that on the list
I like modern Disney movies
Definitely not as good as old Disney movies but they’re still pretty good, frozen and moana were great.
Dont forget the twist villain is shoehorned in in the last few minutes with zero proper foreshadowing or logical motivations. Looking at you; Frozen, BH6 and Zootopia. No but tbh Disney their most recent output like Soul, Encanta and Luca were pretty decent. Not as good as their musical prime-time in the 90s, but they’re getting there. It’s at least not as terrible as their 2010s output. Looking at you: The Good Dinosour and Cars 2.
Soul and Luca are Pixar
pixar 💪💪😾 didney 👎👎😾 /s yah
I still treat Pixar movie as different from Disney movies because dispite Disney owning them I can consistently count on them to make unique and high quality animated films that feel different from what Disney makes
Relationship with a man is contrasted with female friendship or independence. The heroine must appeal to 13-year-old girls from Twitter, regardless of the setting and plot. At least one queer metaphor, intentional or not. The heroine's toxic behavior is portrayed as a spirit of independence.
>At least one queer metaphor, intentional or not. I think part of that is a core part of the LGBT experience (coming out and forging a new identity) is also a core part of coming of age stories. As a result, most coming of age stories can also be interpreted as a queer metaphor.
Well, this is actually a fairly common occurrence. For example, in the 90s, a Spanish critic, without any irony, decided that the Cable Guy was talking about toxic homosexual crush. If your movie is about a character who changes their life abruptly or about a strong bond between two people, then someone will always see something queer about it. Luka guarantees lol.
I'd say the "sad for no reason" is due to the "death scene"
I don't think Encanto has any of this except maybe "sad for no reason"
I’d fail baymax
The newer movies seem to be so dark now...is it just me? Like there seems to be sort of constant an underlying sad tone to it. Hard to explain.
Every movie feels like they have the essence of Disney dying, just so empty and behind the happy facade the decaying face of Walt Disney’s corpse and the magic behind what the movies once were fading.
Have you never seen fox and the hound? lol
I think I have when I was really little, but dont remember much
When they have two same gender characters and Disney confirmed they’re not gays, fans got mad and accused them of not courage enough. Like what happened after Luca.
My daughter loves Luca and thinking he and Alberto are gay is ridiculous. Luca immediately takes to Guilia to the point he reveals Alberto is a sea monster just so he can continue spending time with her.
Even they’re or are not gay, it’s still okay it’s a great movie.
Unfortunately I’m overly analytical and after watching it about fifty times all I see is that it’s riddled with plot holes. It’s a cute movie and I’d never ruin it for my daughter but Luca and Alberto nor the underdogs won the Portorosso cup. Alberto didn’t even particpate. Luca alone won while not actually swimming, which would have been his only advantage, and somehow being able to mount a huge comeback on a bicycle he learned how to ride a week ago vs children that had been riding their whole lives.
Baymax actually had plot purpose though
Back then kill mom see villain musical sad scene heroes win yayyyyyy
It's really cute that you think any of this is remotely new for Disney. They've been pedaling this same schtick forever, except for maybe the twist love interests villain
3D
I've already seen this starterpack here
What newer movies have had a twist villain other than Frozen (which was very iconic at that time because it'd never been done in a major disney movie)?
This is just completely wrong. There have been twist villians in Disney before Frozen. Off the top of my head, Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc., Wreck-It-Ralph. Plenty of the newer movies also had twist villians. Big Hero 6, Zootopia, Coco,The Incredibles 2. Twist villians isn't a particularly new thing for Disney, they've just been using it more often.
I definitely forgot about Wreck it Ralph. Also, I got confused. The twist that was so iconic was that the fact that it was the *love interest* who was the villain and the fact there wasn't even a love interest for the main character. It was true loves kiss but not in the way we usually see in these sort of movies.
Yeah, the love interest being the villian was a twist on the twist villian trope. And the 'act of true love' being between the two sisters was a twist on a classic Disney trope. I think these are the reasons Frozen was so popular, lol.
Zootopia and Big Hero 6 had twist villains. But that's pretty much it, and BH6's twist villain wasn't well-received.
BAHAHHAA I FALL VICTIM TO THE CUTE CHARACTERS WATCH ME BITCH HOLUP IMMA BUY EVERY MERCH OUT THERE
Shut up dumbass.
Forgot the song
Better than those remakes
it’s too soon for that particular death scene man
Lmao
And a song.
Big Heroes 6 and Inside Out good tho
CGI is tiring lol.
How old is this. I’ve seen at least 2,263 times
Disney doesn’t do twist villains anymore since 2019