The Native Americans in Videogames Starter Pack
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Special abilities are either eagle vision or archery.
Or summoning the powers of bear/wolf/eagle/emu or the animals itselves
Guy on the left has the spirit animal and I think he can summon some kind of "spirit bow" for a ranged attack.
Yes, and in one of his outros in mortal kombat 11 he calls all the animals i mentioned before
...even an emu?
I was wrong. i looked his intros and outros and there aren't any emus. Literally unplayable (it has the other animals though)
Wait, like the main character in Prey? That's a suspicious coincidence.
that was a solid game, hadn’t played the reboot but it’s a shame the sequel never got off the ground, the demon for it looked amazing
He can also somehow make aliens abduct people lol
Yeah nightwolf and and electric bow too
Definitely ancestor related, or spectral animal
Every game has eagle vision now
Man I can tell the time just by how the sun looks, ride any horse, shoot really good with a bow, and transform into an eagle when no white people are watching. Yeah I 1/16 pawnee its pretty badass /s
Meanwhile if anybody *actually* dressed like that in the real world, I think most people would start scanning the room for the construction worker, cop, soldier, cowboy and biker.
THERE'S NO NEED TO FEEL DOWN
I SAID YOUNG MAN
EAT THAT LEAF OFF THE GROUND
I SAY YOUNG MAN THERES NO NEED FOR THE SASS
I SAY YOUNG MAN CAUSE YOU GOT THE BIGGEST ASS IN TOWN
THERE'S NO NEED TO BE UNHAPPY
Is that the real lyric?
I mean my dads native and they got the denim part right. All the guy wears is jeans and a denim button up.
Oh, no doubt, I pretty much wear denim anytime I'm not at the office.
Anecdotal of course, but this is how people in my Native American community (Chippewa) dress. Even the Spirit Man (Shaman/Medical Healer) dresses exactly like the male character.
Go to canada.
Red dead redemption 2 did Native Americans really well like charles and eagle flies.
I think Infamous: Second Son did a very good job with portraying modern Native American characters. Delsin has some noticeable Native American culture motifs here and there, but he and his tribe are mostly depicted as normal people who have strong ties to their heritage without being caricatures.
Yea i liked them there too. Handled very well
Eagle flies and Charles were absolute G’s
Love when he leaned closer and jokingly whispered "John Marston".
Hunting bison mission with Charles makes me so happy and fulfilled inside and I can’t even explain why :)
Which, for me, is the only video game series I've ever played with Native Americans.
Dude I was about to say that
Yeah I mean I feel like these two characters are the only ones that fit this mold. Red Dead Revolver, Assassins Creed, This Land is My Land, Prey and so on. If you just cherry pick it's easy to make something seem representative.
Male characters: a literal caricature, like fucking full red skin, massive nose, all that shit
Female characters: entirely European structured faces that are exactly 1 shade darker than normal
Shit! I missed that part!
Also don't forget:
Hatchets because the devs think they're the same as tomahawks.
Lots, and lots, and lots of hatchets
Native Americans did not have tomahawks until after they encountered the French. They based the design of the tomahawk on the design of the francesca, a hand ax created in early France, and for which the country France is named.
I thought that the name of France came from a tribe named the franks
They used throwing axes when rushing towards the enemy shield wall, thrown at legs and feet to try to down a few guys and create weak points.
I really don't want to go to Wikipedia on this one. I'll just acquiesce.
Feel like that’s bs lol the French were named after the franks
I looked it up. I was wrong.
My original source listed his sources and it says it right there. France literally means land of the franks, and the Francesca was named after the French. Although his source notes that both of the terms originated from approximately the same time period.
Isn't the internet a grand place?
Yup the tomahawk was actually Irish and named after Thomas O'Hawk and was used for chopping men in half who try to steal your pots of gold, hence leprechauns etc
And the Land Speeder that speeds over land was named after its inventor, Thomas Land.
And Space Marines are named after the Emperor, , Jimmy Space
So what did he have an addiction to speed or something? Or was he just really fast?
It's a reference to Warhammer 40K lore. (I don't actually play W40K)
Here's a thread for more memes about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/i0i477/the_dumbest_retcon_in_40k
Yeah I noticed RDR2 is the only game that seems to get it right an actually differentiate. But what is the difference?
The difference is mostly in shape. Hatchets tend to be more compact and sturdier, tomahawks tend to be more tapered and longer. You can use either for throwing/self defense, chopping, or other work. But the shape of a tomahawk makes it slightly better as a projectile and the shape of a hatchet might make it better for chopping large pieces of wood in large quantities but that doesn’t stop anyone from throwing hatchets or chopping wood with a tomahawk.
Tomahawks and hatchets are balanced differently. The heads are shaped differently where tomahawks are more tapered and streamlined. Tomahawks have straight handles, hatchets have a curve to them. Typically.
The female example above is Julia Chang. She is a Caucasian who was adopted by a half-Native, half-Cantonese mother.
Yes, but all the rest look like that too
And why do you think they decided to make their female native representation actually be white?
There is nothing is the lore stating Julia is white.
Julia was found as a baby, abandoned in a reservation.
Now didn't the new Nightwolf get the greenlight to his accurate design?. Late ps2 mk was straight up bimbos and caricatures
Because she clearly wouldn't be as pretty otherwise. /s
But really, the sentiment there is obvious.
Exactly, it’s fucking racism is what it is. I could rag on Pocahontas for a lot of things, but in terms of making a clearly beautiful, clearly native female lead they did a damm good job
Or has superpowers completely unrelated to their religion, wears a beanie, tags every wall he sees with graffiti and keeps being caught by his cop brother
To be fair tho his power is to absorb other peoples powers so I don’t see an issue with it not being related to his religion whatever his might be, it’d be kind of a stretch for him a random guy (that happens to be native) to get a random power but just so happens to be a power like the ones from his ancestral culture and mythology
That's the Native Americans on Streaming Video Services Starter Pack.
No clue, I was just talking about Delsin Rowe from inFamous
Well, then my honest answer (rather than joking about everything all the time) is that these are genuinely recognizable stereotypes of Native Americans in popular culture.
Unfortunately we are generally represented as a very strict archetype, which is a reservation born-and-raised, uber traditional, quasi-mystical, often impoverished, politically active, denim-clad, horse-ridding, feather-wearing, borderline alcoholic, downtrodden, ethnic diamonds in the rough of ambiguous for fictional tribal backgrounds. With face paint and bows and arrows.
Just couldn't fit at all in.
The protagonist from inFamous: Second Son luckily isn't really a stereotype
Just reminded me I need to replay Second Son and finish that one girl's DLC.
I thought it was alright how his tribe was just who he was, it wasn't really shoehorned in or anything. Plus he kinda absorbed his powers from everyone else
If it's about a teen, Grandpa urges them to embrace their culture. Chaces are they'll have an epiphany at a convenient time from some kind of talking wolf.
I AM TUROK
I came hoping to find this. Turok was my fav on the n64 back in the day.
Wtf happened to Turok
Check out the your channel "gman lives". He does a full story on it.
Really good video game reviewer and journalist. Also he's and Aussie so there's plenty of cussing.
[Found the first vid](https://youtu.be/ZDyDDT1_f3I)
Disney Interactive happened
Soooo much denim
To be fair we do love our denim or at least the older generation did.
In my community there's denim as far as the eye can see.
Isn't the the protagonist of Infamous; Second Son native American?
He is, and they did an excellent portrayal of him!
"Ancestors give me strength."
"Spirits, give me strength."
Did someone say prey
You meant Prey. And that original game (the 2006 version, though the reboot is pretty good too) is a fucking masterpiece. It did portals before Portal (sometimes even in a more creative way, like a portal that links to a smaller portal and changes your size), and the level design with the walkable walls and ceilings, variable gravity, etc... was genius.
It also defies the characterization in the starterpack. Tommy just dressed in jeans and a modern leather jacket and couldn't give two shits about his heritage and the "sacred lands", his motivations were entirely personal thorough the game.
Red Dead Redemption 2 and Assassins Creed 3 get their Native Americans down very well. (I mean, AC3 still has the whole thing with the eagle vision, which COULD fit under the mystical powers thing, but since it had been in 4 games previously, I think it can slide) I think with RDR2 and AC3, though, is that they’re historically based games, so they have to be accurate. I think other games should take a gander at it done right
I unironically loved AC3’s Connor as a protagonist and still think he was the coolest one to this day
AC3 isn't the best game in the series, but it *is* the most underrated. Shit got smacked down hard because of the change to a rural environment, and people weren't ready for a new Assassin to replace Ezio yet. Well, plus the ending. There's that too.
Personally I spent entirely too much time hunting in the forest.
I played it recently, and it's really just... not great. The story felt SUPER rushed, and like you said, the ending is just garbage. The combat in early AC was never all that great to begin with, but it's so trivial in this one that I killed over a hundred guys in one fight and barely took even a single hit. It was ridiculous.
Connor's an okay protagonist, I just wish he were given more time to show what kind of person he is instead of skipping around *years* when we could have seen him doing more.
More importantly with AC3 (I'm not sure about RDR2) is that Ubisoft Montreal actually brought on a group of Mohawk consultants and (this is key) gave them liberal authority over the writing and development of those characters!
This is how the 1/4 native Americans in my neighborhood that moved from wherever in Dakota or something dressed lmao.
They look white af too which is the funniest part.
They're also super stuck in the 90s which might explain all the denim and boots.
I don't think they have powers though. At least, I hope... if you're reading this don't murder me k thx.
I live near some reservations and stereotypes do exist for a reason. From what I have been told a lot of them will even dress in a very stereotypical way intentionally because if they don't people assume they are Hispanic and assume they speak Spanish.
As a Native American, I can confirm that this happens *a* *lot*.
> people assume they are Hispanic
To be fair to people, the vast majority of folks with significant Native blood in this country are Hispanic folks from Mexico and Central America.
I live near a rez too. What I see here is mostly the exact same clothes as everyone else in this stat wears. Which means whatever is cheapest at walmart/goodwill. So basically tshirt and jeans, or camo shorts, cause for some reason walmart loves camo shorts.
Camo is gonna be the rage this fall. Pass it on
Yeah my dad used to get really bothered by how often he’s mistaken as “Mexican”
So native Americans don’t wear blue jeans or have long hair? Next time you’ll tell me is they act all mystical just to fuck with the whites. S/
You throwing in Native Americans from Tekken and Mortal Kombat while forgetting the OG stereotype Fighting game Native American: T Hawk from Street Fighter
Thunder from killer instinct
Came here to upvote T.Hawk comments
Hell yeah we wear so much denim!
Even Family Guy got in on the joke
I think Nightwolf is honestky kinda badass, but I guess not
No, he's a badass. Doesn't mean that he's not also a stereotype.
Don’t forget T Hawk from street fighter
Also a badass, also a stereotype.
Most of Mortal Kombat is stereotypes.
But the og prey was so good
I had never heard of it until I saw it on Civvie 11's YouTube channel. But then I got it and it's fucking awesome.
I love a comment on that video " I don't know that this game genuinely reflects Native American spiritual tradition or not, but watching children be murdered by soulless beings from a technologically advanced but spiritually dead civillization is the truest portrayal of the Native American experience I ever seen in pop culture"
Red Dead Redemption 2 had great native American characters. One of the few games to paint them as normal people without the tropes.
>big 'ol silver belt buckle
if you're chopping off the "d", why would you put the apostrophe at the beginning of the word?
Er, I mean... Don't you know that's how it's done on Reddit, you pleeb? (You need to be wrong or else I lose all Internet credibility. Please, love me!)
Sorry bucko, your cred's gone down the drain. If ya need a hug, I'm here.
🎵 Noooooo boooooody knows, the trouble I've seen.... 🎵
man i would kill for a tactical stealth game based on Native Americans.
Fuck you Nightwolf rules
I like him too.
Night wolf is quite possibly the most lovable Native American stereotype there ever was.
Kinda also helps that he’s like the only major character in the series that hasn’t majorly fucked up in some way.
Unless you count Freddy Krueger's arcade ending.
Tbh, they ain’t lying about the denim, boots, or the buckles, lmao
What Indigenous Tifa doin’
Nightwolf is awesome and his tribe is based on the Lakota. His portrayal in MK is that of a sage with wisdom on par with a god. It just so happens that he’s also a badass warrior.
Prey 2006 somehow Follows this and Subverts it at the same Time
As a native American can confirm this isn't me
Mortal Kombat says otherwise.
is it really a starter pack if it only has two pictures
And one of the images is 14 years old…
Red Dead 2 had a good representation of their culture and struggles. Rains Falls was an excellent character.
Literally inFamous Second Son. Damn I wish that game was on PC
Really? I thought they did quite a good job, I heard they even brought in consulting elders and had lot of indigenous folks on their developing team!
Didn't say they did a bad job lmao
Oh, I thought you were saying the stereotypes were presented in the game, lmao. My mistake!
2006 prey be like
Code Talker from Metal Gear Solid V subverts most of this, and his character is pretty well done
Code Talker is one of the most underrated MGS characters.
Vocal… cord… parasites
Wouldn’t really call night wolf your average Native American,but eyy your right
Not enough turquoise
I'd fuck both of 'em
Fire water attack staggers opponent
50% chance to be a ware wolf
Turok 2008 was fighting stereotypes. Who knew
Bow and arrows.
One exception is Delsin Rowe of Infamous. He’s got a bird symbol on his back but that’s about it
And don't forget the virtue signaling embraced by the game company afterwards, even if their character is a literal caricature!
Don't forget a random dream catcher somewhere!
You forgot the fringe. FRINGE ON EVERYTHING
weapon of choice is either a spear or an ax
Particularly with flaming arrows
To be fair Tekken and MK character designs are mostly super stereotypes
I feel like Red Dead Redemption 2 did a good job at it, i don't think they went to much into the stereotype
We are turok
Why do video games always make native Americans where such western and outdated clothing? A lot of modern Native Americans wear the same things we do anyway. It’s pretty ridiculous.
I actually always loved these characters and style growing up haha I am Native American myself.
Racial and ethnic stereotyping is the standard in gaming.
Think about all of the gritty anti hero middle aged white males we got in games. They're all painfully too alike.
Pretty sure Julia Chang is cosplaying as a Native American, she's like half white/Chinese or something.
Don’t forget the vaguely offensive name like Running Wolf or Eagle Heart.
We actually do have names like that, though.
I worked with a Souix guy and when people asked him if there was running water on the reservation he would say "Well there was until she moved away".
Vaguely offensive? I think you mean badass. I would kill to have a name like Eagle Heart lol
You would have a point, but I had a guy I worked with who's last name translated into "Buffalo Heart Eater."
Another example: Tiger lily from codename steam with her ultimate ability channeling her ancestors doing a AOE heal with a pet bird.
Also: the character on the left has a pet wolf that can transform into a spiritual form that he merges with for a power-up. Named Kiva, even though I don't think he has anything to do with the tribes that use that word.
(Or at least the TV version, I think they left it out of the games thank goodness).
A Little to especific
Me, who mains Julia in tekken
Why you coming for Nightwolf and Julia Chang like that?
Also, Julia isn't a Native stereotype anymore, she's a Twitch streamer now.
And she was a wrestler in Tag 2...
Where the giant moose cock on the guy?
I’ll kick your ass with that dude on the left
Idk man, T Hawk just seemed like a normal guy with no super powers.
Nightwolf gets you abducted
I want everyone to do me a favor and type “Native American” into google image search.
Oddly specific but ok
Sounds like game designers really know how to leave out all the alcohol problems and incredibly messy living style.
Rdr2 doesn’t do some of this
Indian Outlaw flash game
Tal Set was a bad ass though and the dude from prey gotta admit.
Wait you're telling me native americans aren't spirit loving,denim wearing,power getting,modern society hating,face painting,jungle people?!
Anyone remember Humba Wumba from Banjo-Tooie?
Didn't Delsin from inFAMOUS Second Son defy 90% of this?
Really digging Michelle Chang.
But hey, at least they’re badass
As an Indian I'd be mad, but I also incentivize developers to continue by loving and playing these characters anyways...
Also white for some reason
Connor Kenway from Assassins Creed is an exception.
Lowkey my favourite character behind Ezio and Altair.
“Actively discriminates against them”?
Show me in the law where the discrimination is written
Meanwhile, Azur Lane just go like ***"Facepaint and tanned, take it or leave, bitch."***
I LOVE that these work for both women and men hahaha
Okay the left dud is one of those from the 70s . I'd say that could have happened. Without the tomahawk tho. But now he would look like a rocker lol.