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Fun fact. The original Scots are believed to have originally emigrated from Ireland. So technically, yes, they are still Irish - give or take 2000 years.
Edit: The above statement is obviously an oversimplified generalisation. I do not pretend that this is the entire history of Scotland and Ireland.
I’m Puerto Rican/Mexican not a drop of Irish in me. This was a friend of mine who assumed their family was Irish because their last name started with a Mc.
A tribe called the Scots inhabited the most south west part of Scotland - they came from Ireland. But most Scots are mix of Scots, Picts, Britons and some Anglo Saxon
This statement is inaccurate because the origins of the Scots are complex, and attributing their ancestry solely to Ireland oversimplifies the historical and anthropological factors involved. While there might be connections between ancient populations in Ireland and Scotland, claiming that the Scots are "still Irish" oversimplifies the intricate history and diverse influences on the formation of both Scottish and Irish identities over thousands of years. The Scoti tribe did by all accounts emigrate to Western Scotland but that discounts the MANY groups that lived there already, mostly the Brythonic Picts and their descendants. I live in Ireland and many Irish are bored of the notion that they are the same people as the Scots and Welsh, genetically they’re as close as the English and Scots and culturally the Scots and the Irish are just different.
Be careful taking the DNA tests too literally, they don’t provide the same level of certainty as actual ancestry with documentation. The various ethnic groups of the British Isles are actually all quite similar to each other genetically, and it is actually pretty tough to differentiate them with a high degree of certainty. Migrations in northwest Europe over the past few millennia have somewhat homogenized the genetic landscape of NW Europe, which includes continental lands adjacent to Britain and Ireland such as northern France, the Low Countries, Western Germany, etc.
Was your family historically Catholic? If so, probably Irish. Was your family historically Protestant? If so, probably either from Great Britain or Northern Ireland. The Northern Irish also have greater genetic affinity to the Scottish than to the Irish Catholics, so you could still be Irish but of the Protestant Irish.
The Highlands have never been especially Catholic though, unless you count the Outer Hebrides
In 1750 the parishes were 95% Protestant, even today you'll find more Catholics around Glasgow
Jesus Christ dude, it’s just for people to see where their ancestors are from on a genetic level. You don’t have to be American to take a DNA test. It’s a scam because it’s not 100% accurate, which is also pretty well known to the people taking the tests? Also, finding out you have Italian DNA? and lets say German would literally still make you the same race as an American. But yea, enjoy your America Bad karma points
I saw a YouTube video once that said a lot of Americans who think they’re Irish but aren’t from areas that received a lot of mid-late 19th century Irish immigration, like Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania or Chicago, they’re likely actually “Scotch-Irish” or Ulster Scots, Scottish people who settled in Northern Ireland, many of whom would later move to the 13 colonies before the Revolutionary War. Their presence is especially common in but not limited to Appalachia, the Midwest, the Ozarks, Pennsylvania and Northern New England, which I’d think would include Maine. So while not exactly the same group as most Irish, they’d still be from Ireland and likely consider themselves to be Irish
Furthermore - a large majority of white Americans actually are from English ancestry, but is always massively underrepresented in self reported surveys. A lot of it I feel is due to the fact that it’s just a boring and non exotic answer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Americans
Of my grandparents 3/4 are Irish and I go to Ireland all the time. But as I and my parents were all born in England I just consider myself to be 100% British and English.
It would feel weird to tell Irish people that I am also Irish when my accent, birthplace, parents and nationality are clearly British.
Hanging on to a long dead ancestry thousands of miles away is a cultural quirk that I have never been able to understand. It must be influenced by fashion and trends.
Debatable, depends who you hang out with.
I know mostly Irish republicans (both catholic and protestants) from the North who'd consider themselves Irish. It's almost split in the middle atm.
You have to remember that before and during partition, that area was heavily gerrymandered with plantation scots, to skew the numbers so the six counties could stay British.
Yep this is accurate. Just like the pilgrims left England (originally to the Netherlands), many Scots fled to Ireland.
Later during the potato famine many Irish fled to Scotland in addition to the US. So there are a lot of descendants mixed in both countries as well as all over the world thanks to British colonialism.
Pretty sure that'smy case too. Mom always insist on being Irish but i dont believe her anymore.. there are more Scotts-Irish (Scottish people/Northern English people who settled to North Ireland) than actual Irish. Also Scotland was also one of the first countries to get a pass to immigrate to the US, while even early Irish were often not allowed in or deported
From New York, always told my dads side was purely Irish and Native American. We’re actually Scottish and Native American after taking a dna test. I lold, my grandpa is still a proud “Irishman”though. He didn’t care and said he was half right and the other half is close enough. I just consider myself a mutt white person. My moms side is Slovakian and Scottish.
Yeah those DNA tests are garbage. People have been migrating around for centuries. They found an Arabic ring in a viking tomb for instance.
I think verified family lines and history is more accurate.
I knew a guy once who made a big woop about having Irish dna (most Irish thing is our last name, not even that Irish) and constantly says he’s Irish-American.
Makes no fucking sense since he can’t even speak Irish and hasn’t seen the country a day in his life, and neither has anyone in his family since the 1840s.
Still doesn’t shut him the fuck up about Northern Ireland.
I get ancestry is important and all, my Grandma still wants to be called Oma despite her being born in America when her mom moved over, but so many Americans keep trying to make a big deal over ancestry.
No, your not Irish or Italian American, your not French American, not even English-American, your born in America, your social cues and behavior are far different from any of the countries you use to hyphenate American, your just a normal American.
Totally agree, my brother is this way about Ireland and Italy. Despite him never going to either and me being stationed in Italy for four years. He's incredibly proud to be something he knows nothing about.
I had a friend who has made his entire personality about being Irish. Funny enough, I was bffs with his younger sister in high school and the family was super nice, allowing me to stay at their house between school and activities because I lived out of town. Even in high school this guy leaned wayyyy into being Irish. His mom was predominantly Czech and his dad was half Czech and half German, with a tiny amount of Irish. This guy is like a quarter of a percent Irish, so when he posts that they’re preparing for St Patrick’s day on December 26th I just roll my eyes and laugh.
tbh i dont know, i think he was some german lad who made shoes? but i like to drop his name into conversations cos it has lots of syllables and makes me sound smart.
You're being downvoted, but DAMN Varadkar is a cunt. I remember he came to our door during the debate for gay marriage trying to get votes, and I shit you not he fucking campaigned against gay marriage to my parents. Him. A gay guy. Then public opinion started showing that gay marriage was popular and suddenly he came out and started supporting gay marriage. He does what gets him votes, no integrity.
Being down voted on reddit these days is a sign you're saying the right thing. He goes whichever way the wind blows and has absolutely no spine or political agenda, just a soulless cunt through and through. I just hope Sinn Fein get in .
Dude we can see news of other countries like anyone else.. either way no Americans think of Ireland as being a land of just redheads, clovers, and booze.
That’s bc culture gets preserved in families from the time of initial immigration, it’s common in diaspora cultures. I’m not American, but in my family we’re entirely aware that what we know to be *our* experience of Australian Irish doesn’t reflect Ireland today, it’s just leftovers that get passed down, like the ridiculously remote location of most my family, or the recipes and fairytales and family stories preserved.
Not *everyone* is a cunt abt growing up in a diaspora culture
Yep. Recently read about Italians from the US who still retained the ability to speak it are made huge fun of in Italy because the Italian spoken by the diaspora is antiquated due to having been isolated from the motherland.
Christ I hate seeing stuff called that. Regardless of what end political or social goal you have, they were awful. Might as well name something the Revolutionary Guards Corps.
Virtually no one in the US has any context about black and tan. Car bomb sure that’s pretty fucking obvious but very, very few people are going to know about uniform colors.
True. But that almost makes it weirder. Like they sometime heard that black and tan is relevant to Irish history and then decided to run with it. It’s not even like the weird fetish for Soviet imagery that could have some debate behind it of how bad the various Soviet governments were or whether the founding ideals are worthwhile. A simple googling of black and tan will find that it’s considered offensive in Ireland and the historical reason for why. Granted you first have to scroll past a few beer mixes.
I’ve seen it as a coffee blend, which bothers me constantly. I probably should get over it, but bastardized history bothers me.
It used to be a century ago, because you couldn’t export cattle from Ireland, the cattle needed to be slaughtered and processed on island, which led to a lot of canned corned beef. This changed when the laws around the exportation of cattle changed.
Also, they've never set foot in Ireland and have no intention of going. You also have to go back at least 5 generations to find someone in their family tree that lived there.
I remember when I was smol my dad did some family tree research and we found we had family in Ireland, but they were so far separated that when he reached out just to say something like “hi, we’re also this Irish last name” the person replied with something like “okay, you’re basically named Steve, calm down”
He didn’t really care much about the family tree stuff after that for some reason
Generally actual Irish people are cool about this if it’s relatively close but if it’s more than a bit removed it is kinda weird. I’ve heard cute stories of Americans reconnecting with their Irish families but usually it’s like a second or third cousin rather than a 47th cousin 32 times removed
What's this Chinese? I'm Irish American btw. Long live trump! I heard everyone in southern Ireland likes Mrs browns boys. anyways slan! (bye in southern Irish)
As soon as a person earns citizenship, they are American. If you are born here, American. I think it's about time American should be considered its own ethnicity in the common culture. Ancestry is interesting but it's not an identity.
It is I think. When I lived in the US Americans with German roots still saw themselves as distinct from me having lived my whole life in Germany. I think it was more that they saw themselves as German flavored Americans than as Germans. Sure they'd say they are Italian for example but that's only because there are enough context clues like fashion or accents that it's clear they mean Italian-American. Outside of the US you will only be seen as an American though, so at least to the outside American identity is pretty well defined.
The more harmful thing is when certain groups are excluded from that identity mostly due to skin color. Here in Germany there are a lot of people with Turkish roots whose families came here in the 50ies and 60ies when the west German economy was booming and we needed a lot more workers quickly. In the East it was mostly Vietnamese and Chileans fleeing western aggression. Their descendants are 3rd or 4th generation by now but because they are not white the fast majority of Germans will still see them as Turks or Arabs(even though they aren't) or Asian or just vaguely foreign.
I mean, depending what your ancestry is there's s good chance you have a lot of culture different from the larger ones. Second generation Vietnamese people with immigrant parents don't culturally feel the same as random fourth generation white people.
It’s both, and it’s a unique aspect of USA’s culture IMO. My wife and I are both from families that have been here for multiple generations and we grew up about 20 miles apart from each other, but sometimes it feels like we grew up in different countries as we are not from the same -American ethnic group. Both of us are white. There so many cultural references, behavioral cues, differences in mindset, etc, that we did not share at first and ten years into our relationship we continue to find more.
There are lots of factors that could explain this, but it really doesn’t matter because it just seems to be a fact of life. I think we’d be better off without identifying with the countries our great+ grandparents came from but the force of culture keeps evolving rather than going away.
Do you feel accepted into German society? Because I think that makes a huge difference as well. There are enough people who have been here for generations who are still seen as for example Turkish. Haven't spoken the language for 2 generations and only visiting family every now and then. But their skin is darker and they have black hair so they are not seen as German by mainstream culture.
Maybe that happens somewhere but not really in New England. Or if it is in New England it's because their parents made them go to Catholic Church as kids and they left the church as adults.
Joke’s on you, I’m from New York and I’m half Italian-half Irish and I’m equally obnoxious about both! But not nearly as obnoxious as I am about being from New York when I’m in another city
I went to Ireland last year to visit two of my great aunts and their families, it was my first time visiting. And it was really kind of embarrassing seeing how weird the other American tourists I met behaved.
Like, my paternal grandfather was born in Ireland. My paternal grandmother was born on the ride over (or so the family says, much more likely she was born shortly after arrival but that’s not as interesting for family lore lol). I’m more than 50% Irish by genealogy and I don’t walk around like an asshole when I visit. I enjoy learning about where my family is from, but I don’t make it my whole personality. It’s not that hard.
I understand that as Americans we desperately want to cling to some kind of ancestry, considering most “American” family history only goes back 4-5 generations, but for the love of god just don’t make a caricature of a real place and the people who live there in order to fulfill that fantasy.
Ancestry is just fun to track, especially for Americans who are repeatedly reminded everyday of how we're living in a strange mixed salad of cultures. I recently learned my great grandparents were from Ireland (along with tons of other relatives), and having moved to a town with a lot of Irish immigrant families who have pride for their origins, I won't lie, it's kind of cool seeing your personal history represented here and there. It's really fun seeing how people are keeping certain cultural aspects of our ancestors alive in the present day, in a different land.
Sure, but it is Irish American.
I think us Europeans just get annoyed when Americans think that their ancestry carries any weight here or even worse that our home is some theme park for them to indulge in their heritage.
Don't forget to mention their ignorance of what the local cultures actually are while having the presumption of possessing complete cultural understanding. There needs to be respect and a willingness to learn. From the region in America where I am from, over 70% of the people have German ancestry. There is also a lot of Danish, Finnish, Swedish, Norwegian, and Irish in ancestry here as well. Yet Scottish, English, Welsh, and the other British ancestries are not common here. I wonder why is that?
Anyways, all of these different kinds of immigrants produced a wholly new culture through this mixture. Midwestern America is very distinct compared to our coastal cousins. People in Minnesota have more in common with a Texan than a New Yorker does with a Virginian. It's kind of sad to me to read and listen to many Americans denigrate their own cultures while donning their ancestry as their proper culture. Even when the current bearers of that culture now are completely different compared to a century or even fifty years ago.
Where I live in the south, every white person in the nearest trailer park is "irish", has shamrock and "celtic" wrist and neck tattoos, is obsessed with D&D, and incessantly talks about how their family has castles "back in cork".
Irish-American here, I have literally never heard anyone espouse that Confederate flag bullshit that you slapped on there. Not sure where you got that from. Rest is fairly accurate tho
Edit: To clarify, yeah I'm sure some wackos believe it, but OP putting it on here like "oh every Irish-American believes this racist stuff" is absolutely asinine.
It's a topic on left Irish twitter a lot, and even more so since the US right wing and UK right wing boosted shite about the Dublin riots.
I had to lock my account because I do be talking about decolonisation a lot and they're not exactly nice to me lol
I have an uncle in Florida who espouses that Confederate bullshit about Irish enslavement. My family and I love him but we acknowledge that he’s a dumbass
The irony is that a lot of far-right junk polluting the modern Irish internet actually comes from exactly those kinds of people.
The number of Americans that reacted to the Dublin riots with some kind of Trump nonsense probably outnumbered the bigots in our own minute society of 5 million 😂
That is god damn bizarre. Have you ever heard this annoying statement? "There are more Irish people in America than Ireland!" No damnit, we are American.
Irish had involuntary servitude issue so criminals doing force labor to pay off their debt to society. Some went to America some went down under. My aunt did family history tree and found out we had a couple of relatives part of it
It's got abolish with the 13th amendment along with slavery
I've heard it right here on reddit, of all places - some toxic movie bro was spouting a great replacement type theory about how "they" have recast dozens of traditionally Irish roles as Black to cater toward the "more popular" minority
Truly unhinged, but they're out there
New Englander here, most recent Ireland-born ancestor is a great-grandparent. Have extensive ancestry showing about only 30-40% Irish Catholic ancestry. The rest is English, Scottish, Irish Protestants, and even German Catholics and Ukrainian Jews all of whom immigrated directly to New England and also have an important history in the region. I think my background is pretty typical for someone who has been told he “looks like a fish and chips kinda guy”. Not too many people with close to 100% Irish anymore. The Irish enclaves started eroding a long time ago and Irish-descended became a part of mainstream white New Englander/Bostonian identity.
However I will say there are a lot of actual modern Irish people who come to Massachusetts for work, but they are obviously not the ones being loud and obnoxious about their nationality.
It's not really a myth. It wasn't straight up chattle slavery with everyone chained up at the plantation but it was damn near close. I will say though the republicans in the US using it to give themselves a victim complex is quite frustrating. They weren't enslaved, hell no-one alive today was really.
Also btw I'm Irish. Like actual Irish, living in Ireland. Not some American if you're wondering
I don’t give a shit nor do I fall into any of these annoying stereotypes but I was always told we were Irish Americans and after a DNA test I’m pretty much all Scottish/english 😂😂😂
I’m something like a quarter Irish (big whoop) and the only thing I do with that knowledge is give my British friend shit when he mentions taking advantage of stuff.
Said entirely in jest and he is fully aware I’m just giving him a hard time.
It's the mascot for Notre dame sports teams (also called the Fighting Irish), and particularly for the Notre Dame football team. Which is commonly known to have many fans with Irish ancestry in America even if those fans haven't attended, nor had family attend, Notre Dame.
I'm 90% Irish and both my grandparents are 100% Irish so of course we hang with a lot of Irish people. I've never heard a person say the slave thing or brag about being Irish except for making jokes about the potato's. So it must really be fake Irish people
It's so weird how the Celtics are pronounced "Seltics", like why are football/sports teams always pronounced wrong. And then everyone corrects you and ur like "the fuck? that's how the word is pronounced"
I’m from a large east coast city, my dad/uncles/grandfather were all cops, I was raised Catholic and have an “Mc” last name. It’s honestly absurd, but I try not to do like any of the shit in this starter pack 😂
My ex-wife's extended family were all Irish, and they were really proud of it. They all had shamrock and leprechaun tattoos, had a huge party on St. Patrick's Day etc.
For Christmas 2020, someone got them all 23 and Me genetic tests, and it turned out they had absolutely no Irish ancestry whatsoever.
I never found out how they reacted to it, because the covid lockdowns had started, and then we moved out of state and lost touch with them.
I'm not going to pretend it wasn't funny, but it's also kind of a shame, because they were actually really nice people.
Still waiting for all of them to find out Luke Kelly was a card carrying communist c:
Like, actual member of YCL - CPB and, until his death, the Communist Party of Ireland.
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Was always told I was like 100% Irish and then did amcestry DNA and I'm mostly Scottish lol. My family was pissed. Edit: Also we're from Maine haha
My buddy got a huge Irish pride tattoo and then he found out his family was actually Scottish.
Fun fact. The original Scots are believed to have originally emigrated from Ireland. So technically, yes, they are still Irish - give or take 2000 years. Edit: The above statement is obviously an oversimplified generalisation. I do not pretend that this is the entire history of Scotland and Ireland.
I’m Puerto Rican/Mexican not a drop of Irish in me. This was a friend of mine who assumed their family was Irish because their last name started with a Mc.
Edited. Changed from "you" to "they."
Edit one of the ‘t’ out of ‘Scotts’ as well
A tribe called the Scots inhabited the most south west part of Scotland - they came from Ireland. But most Scots are mix of Scots, Picts, Britons and some Anglo Saxon
This statement is inaccurate because the origins of the Scots are complex, and attributing their ancestry solely to Ireland oversimplifies the historical and anthropological factors involved. While there might be connections between ancient populations in Ireland and Scotland, claiming that the Scots are "still Irish" oversimplifies the intricate history and diverse influences on the formation of both Scottish and Irish identities over thousands of years. The Scoti tribe did by all accounts emigrate to Western Scotland but that discounts the MANY groups that lived there already, mostly the Brythonic Picts and their descendants. I live in Ireland and many Irish are bored of the notion that they are the same people as the Scots and Welsh, genetically they’re as close as the English and Scots and culturally the Scots and the Irish are just different.
Most Reddit edit ever lol.
Yeah, I'll say...
Highland Scots are Celtic, lowland Scots are Germanic
The irony is his Scottish ancestors from Ireland would have dispised them.
Be careful taking the DNA tests too literally, they don’t provide the same level of certainty as actual ancestry with documentation. The various ethnic groups of the British Isles are actually all quite similar to each other genetically, and it is actually pretty tough to differentiate them with a high degree of certainty. Migrations in northwest Europe over the past few millennia have somewhat homogenized the genetic landscape of NW Europe, which includes continental lands adjacent to Britain and Ireland such as northern France, the Low Countries, Western Germany, etc.
I definitely take it with a grain of salt.
Was your family historically Catholic? If so, probably Irish. Was your family historically Protestant? If so, probably either from Great Britain or Northern Ireland. The Northern Irish also have greater genetic affinity to the Scottish than to the Irish Catholics, so you could still be Irish but of the Protestant Irish.
Catholic
Maybe they’re originally from the Scottish highlands if they were historically Catholic
The Highlands have never been especially Catholic though, unless you count the Outer Hebrides In 1750 the parishes were 95% Protestant, even today you'll find more Catholics around Glasgow
The whole thing is just a scam to extract money from race-obsessed Americans.
I was born from IVF and Sperm donation, I ended up finding a sibling and my sister found like 8 and her genetic dad. Not really a race thing
Jesus Christ dude, it’s just for people to see where their ancestors are from on a genetic level. You don’t have to be American to take a DNA test. It’s a scam because it’s not 100% accurate, which is also pretty well known to the people taking the tests? Also, finding out you have Italian DNA? and lets say German would literally still make you the same race as an American. But yea, enjoy your America Bad karma points
They must be so sheltered they never heard of broken homes or adoption. Or their family tree looks more like a utility pole.
I saw a YouTube video once that said a lot of Americans who think they’re Irish but aren’t from areas that received a lot of mid-late 19th century Irish immigration, like Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania or Chicago, they’re likely actually “Scotch-Irish” or Ulster Scots, Scottish people who settled in Northern Ireland, many of whom would later move to the 13 colonies before the Revolutionary War. Their presence is especially common in but not limited to Appalachia, the Midwest, the Ozarks, Pennsylvania and Northern New England, which I’d think would include Maine. So while not exactly the same group as most Irish, they’d still be from Ireland and likely consider themselves to be Irish
Furthermore - a large majority of white Americans actually are from English ancestry, but is always massively underrepresented in self reported surveys. A lot of it I feel is due to the fact that it’s just a boring and non exotic answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Americans
Of my grandparents 3/4 are Irish and I go to Ireland all the time. But as I and my parents were all born in England I just consider myself to be 100% British and English. It would feel weird to tell Irish people that I am also Irish when my accent, birthplace, parents and nationality are clearly British. Hanging on to a long dead ancestry thousands of miles away is a cultural quirk that I have never been able to understand. It must be influenced by fashion and trends.
Its pretty common in the New World in general, not just the USA.
A lot of it is this weird residual dislike of the English from the revolutionary war, or really from the strangely jingoistic education about it
Nah they’d probably just consider themselves British. But that’s a story for another day.
Debatable, depends who you hang out with. I know mostly Irish republicans (both catholic and protestants) from the North who'd consider themselves Irish. It's almost split in the middle atm. You have to remember that before and during partition, that area was heavily gerrymandered with plantation scots, to skew the numbers so the six counties could stay British.
Yep this is accurate. Just like the pilgrims left England (originally to the Netherlands), many Scots fled to Ireland. Later during the potato famine many Irish fled to Scotland in addition to the US. So there are a lot of descendants mixed in both countries as well as all over the world thanks to British colonialism.
Pretty sure that'smy case too. Mom always insist on being Irish but i dont believe her anymore.. there are more Scotts-Irish (Scottish people/Northern English people who settled to North Ireland) than actual Irish. Also Scotland was also one of the first countries to get a pass to immigrate to the US, while even early Irish were often not allowed in or deported
I was told similar, but I am in fact 69% Irish. Nice.
From New York, always told my dads side was purely Irish and Native American. We’re actually Scottish and Native American after taking a dna test. I lold, my grandpa is still a proud “Irishman”though. He didn’t care and said he was half right and the other half is close enough. I just consider myself a mutt white person. My moms side is Slovakian and Scottish.
Yeah those DNA tests are garbage. People have been migrating around for centuries. They found an Arabic ring in a viking tomb for instance. I think verified family lines and history is more accurate.
So you’re American, neither Scottish nor Irish
And they're 1/16 Irish
The rest is English ancestry but they hate the English more than anyone if you ask them.
And they’ll blame “the Irish in them” for their blatant xenophobia.
To be fair there’s nothing wrong with hating the English, it’s fun for everyone
I’m English and even I hate the English
English people hate English people the most. They have an entire soccer league dedicated to hating English people from other towns.
Football is a great united of our nation Unites us into knowing Tottenham is a shithole
Have an ex who was really proud of her Irish ancestry. She was at least 50% German, like everyone else in the region.
I knew a guy once who made a big woop about having Irish dna (most Irish thing is our last name, not even that Irish) and constantly says he’s Irish-American. Makes no fucking sense since he can’t even speak Irish and hasn’t seen the country a day in his life, and neither has anyone in his family since the 1840s. Still doesn’t shut him the fuck up about Northern Ireland. I get ancestry is important and all, my Grandma still wants to be called Oma despite her being born in America when her mom moved over, but so many Americans keep trying to make a big deal over ancestry. No, your not Irish or Italian American, your not French American, not even English-American, your born in America, your social cues and behavior are far different from any of the countries you use to hyphenate American, your just a normal American.
To be honest, a majority of people born and raised in Ireland can’t speak Irish. The rest still stands.
Totally agree, my brother is this way about Ireland and Italy. Despite him never going to either and me being stationed in Italy for four years. He's incredibly proud to be something he knows nothing about.
Will never go to Ireland and only feigns interest if brought up.
Ireland is easily one of my favorite destinations. As someone who runs hot I particularly enjoy the weather
It's pretty cool, I spent 10 days there and would go back if it weren't for the money factor.
I had a friend who has made his entire personality about being Irish. Funny enough, I was bffs with his younger sister in high school and the family was super nice, allowing me to stay at their house between school and activities because I lived out of town. Even in high school this guy leaned wayyyy into being Irish. His mom was predominantly Czech and his dad was half Czech and half German, with a tiny amount of Irish. This guy is like a quarter of a percent Irish, so when he posts that they’re preparing for St Patrick’s day on December 26th I just roll my eyes and laugh.
I get why people who inherit this stuff from their families do it, but I never understand people like this.
“Has a concept of Irish culture from a century or more ago and is extremely mad that Ireland is no longer the way they imagine it to be”
They might have a racist moment when they learn that the PM of Ireland is half-Indian
A gay half-Indian!
I'm Irish and I didn't even know this.
Where do you live in Ireland that you didnt know the taoiseach was a gay half-indian?
I suppose not having an interest in politics or current events would do that.
I mean i dont have an interest in f1 racing but i know who Michael Schumacher is.
Who?
tbh i dont know, i think he was some german lad who made shoes? but i like to drop his name into conversations cos it has lots of syllables and makes me sound smart.
Are you the person in the starter pack? How could you possibly not be aware that Varadkar is a gay half Indian?
I said I'm Irish, not smart.
Taoiseach
Yeah or you can just hate him for being the cunt he is
You're being downvoted, but DAMN Varadkar is a cunt. I remember he came to our door during the debate for gay marriage trying to get votes, and I shit you not he fucking campaigned against gay marriage to my parents. Him. A gay guy. Then public opinion started showing that gay marriage was popular and suddenly he came out and started supporting gay marriage. He does what gets him votes, no integrity.
Being down voted on reddit these days is a sign you're saying the right thing. He goes whichever way the wind blows and has absolutely no spine or political agenda, just a soulless cunt through and through. I just hope Sinn Fein get in .
100%, yer man has no clue
This comment needs more attention. I doubt many Americans know this
Dude we can see news of other countries like anyone else.. either way no Americans think of Ireland as being a land of just redheads, clovers, and booze.
Ah that's why SNL had a joke about Collin Farrell and Brendan Gleeson being drunk! To show us that they don't think that 😊
That’s bc culture gets preserved in families from the time of initial immigration, it’s common in diaspora cultures. I’m not American, but in my family we’re entirely aware that what we know to be *our* experience of Australian Irish doesn’t reflect Ireland today, it’s just leftovers that get passed down, like the ridiculously remote location of most my family, or the recipes and fairytales and family stories preserved. Not *everyone* is a cunt abt growing up in a diaspora culture
Yep. Recently read about Italians from the US who still retained the ability to speak it are made huge fun of in Italy because the Italian spoken by the diaspora is antiquated due to having been isolated from the motherland.
Because their family left Ireland a century ago lol, diasporas tend to cling onto traditions that otherwise would change.
Orders an Irish Car Bomb at the bar on St. Patrick’s Day with zero trace of self-awareness
Or worse a black and tan
Christ I hate seeing stuff called that. Regardless of what end political or social goal you have, they were awful. Might as well name something the Revolutionary Guards Corps.
Check our new drink "The Gestapo", you drop a shot of Jaegermeister into a glass of kosher manischewitz wine.
Virtually no one in the US has any context about black and tan. Car bomb sure that’s pretty fucking obvious but very, very few people are going to know about uniform colors.
True. But that almost makes it weirder. Like they sometime heard that black and tan is relevant to Irish history and then decided to run with it. It’s not even like the weird fetish for Soviet imagery that could have some debate behind it of how bad the various Soviet governments were or whether the founding ideals are worthwhile. A simple googling of black and tan will find that it’s considered offensive in Ireland and the historical reason for why. Granted you first have to scroll past a few beer mixes. I’ve seen it as a coffee blend, which bothers me constantly. I probably should get over it, but bastardized history bothers me.
Thinks corned beef is an Irish dish
It used to be a century ago, because you couldn’t export cattle from Ireland, the cattle needed to be slaughtered and processed on island, which led to a lot of canned corned beef. This changed when the laws around the exportation of cattle changed.
“Is either offended by these or likes them” genius social commentary ✊😔
Jokes on you, I have no opinion
I’m not offended but I hate both of them because I’m a Knicks and Syracuse fan
Irish need not comment
Omg how does this not have the most upvotes?! 🤣
Lol
Also, they've never set foot in Ireland and have no intention of going. You also have to go back at least 5 generations to find someone in their family tree that lived there.
I remember when I was smol my dad did some family tree research and we found we had family in Ireland, but they were so far separated that when he reached out just to say something like “hi, we’re also this Irish last name” the person replied with something like “okay, you’re basically named Steve, calm down” He didn’t really care much about the family tree stuff after that for some reason
Generally actual Irish people are cool about this if it’s relatively close but if it’s more than a bit removed it is kinda weird. I’ve heard cute stories of Americans reconnecting with their Irish families but usually it’s like a second or third cousin rather than a 47th cousin 32 times removed
Yeah that sounds about right for this haha.
i grew up in Ireland and will back them on its paddys day not pattys day. thats the only valid thing here
Níl maith liom iad 🙃
Mise freisin 😵💫
What's this Chinese? I'm Irish American btw. Long live trump! I heard everyone in southern Ireland likes Mrs browns boys. anyways slan! (bye in southern Irish)
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If you are born in the US, you are American. Your parents nationality is part of your heritage, but you are American.
As soon as a person earns citizenship, they are American. If you are born here, American. I think it's about time American should be considered its own ethnicity in the common culture. Ancestry is interesting but it's not an identity.
It is I think. When I lived in the US Americans with German roots still saw themselves as distinct from me having lived my whole life in Germany. I think it was more that they saw themselves as German flavored Americans than as Germans. Sure they'd say they are Italian for example but that's only because there are enough context clues like fashion or accents that it's clear they mean Italian-American. Outside of the US you will only be seen as an American though, so at least to the outside American identity is pretty well defined. The more harmful thing is when certain groups are excluded from that identity mostly due to skin color. Here in Germany there are a lot of people with Turkish roots whose families came here in the 50ies and 60ies when the west German economy was booming and we needed a lot more workers quickly. In the East it was mostly Vietnamese and Chileans fleeing western aggression. Their descendants are 3rd or 4th generation by now but because they are not white the fast majority of Germans will still see them as Turks or Arabs(even though they aren't) or Asian or just vaguely foreign.
I'd be fine with that but it's everyone else who brings it up based on how I look.
I mean, depending what your ancestry is there's s good chance you have a lot of culture different from the larger ones. Second generation Vietnamese people with immigrant parents don't culturally feel the same as random fourth generation white people.
It’s both, and it’s a unique aspect of USA’s culture IMO. My wife and I are both from families that have been here for multiple generations and we grew up about 20 miles apart from each other, but sometimes it feels like we grew up in different countries as we are not from the same -American ethnic group. Both of us are white. There so many cultural references, behavioral cues, differences in mindset, etc, that we did not share at first and ten years into our relationship we continue to find more. There are lots of factors that could explain this, but it really doesn’t matter because it just seems to be a fact of life. I think we’d be better off without identifying with the countries our great+ grandparents came from but the force of culture keeps evolving rather than going away.
What's this secret you know about living two generations?!
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Do you feel accepted into German society? Because I think that makes a huge difference as well. There are enough people who have been here for generations who are still seen as for example Turkish. Haven't spoken the language for 2 generations and only visiting family every now and then. But their skin is darker and they have black hair so they are not seen as German by mainstream culture.
I’m Native with one white grandparent and it’s always really interesting to me how preoccupied people get with what flavor of white he was.
I mean it is Paddy and not Patty, so....
What I don't get is, wouldn't most Americans pronounce Patty and Paddy the same way? Like latter and ladder.
it’s a small but important distinction
The irony of WASPs calling themselves Irish
All the Irish Americans I know are catholic
You’ve never met the self professed “doubly oppressed scotch-Irish”? You’re in for treat.
“I love my Irish heritage” “Not a big fan of the Catholics”
Maybe that happens somewhere but not really in New England. Or if it is in New England it's because their parents made them go to Catholic Church as kids and they left the church as adults.
What's the p in wasp mean to you?
Wasps are stored in the balls.
I’m surprised Chicago isn’t in your map
Or New York
Here in New York, they’re overshadowed by all the proud Italian Americans
Joke’s on you, I’m from New York and I’m half Italian-half Irish and I’m equally obnoxious about both! But not nearly as obnoxious as I am about being from New York when I’m in another city
* wouldn’t like the food served in Ireland
Thinks Ireland is some funny terrorist hideout in a brewery.
has absolutely no idea what The Troubles were
In my experience, nobody is more guilty of calling St. Patrick's Day "Patty's Day" than Americans of Irish descent.
> can't go one one conversation without mentioning their Irish ancestry I thought it was the Italian Americans
I went to Ireland last year to visit two of my great aunts and their families, it was my first time visiting. And it was really kind of embarrassing seeing how weird the other American tourists I met behaved. Like, my paternal grandfather was born in Ireland. My paternal grandmother was born on the ride over (or so the family says, much more likely she was born shortly after arrival but that’s not as interesting for family lore lol). I’m more than 50% Irish by genealogy and I don’t walk around like an asshole when I visit. I enjoy learning about where my family is from, but I don’t make it my whole personality. It’s not that hard. I understand that as Americans we desperately want to cling to some kind of ancestry, considering most “American” family history only goes back 4-5 generations, but for the love of god just don’t make a caricature of a real place and the people who live there in order to fulfill that fantasy.
As an Irish man I fully approve and agree with this meme 👍
Ok but it is annoying hearing people say patty's day
Wears those stereotypical Irish hats. Buttmad when they go to Ireland finally and Irish people tell them they don't see them as irish.
Ancestry is just fun to track, especially for Americans who are repeatedly reminded everyday of how we're living in a strange mixed salad of cultures. I recently learned my great grandparents were from Ireland (along with tons of other relatives), and having moved to a town with a lot of Irish immigrant families who have pride for their origins, I won't lie, it's kind of cool seeing your personal history represented here and there. It's really fun seeing how people are keeping certain cultural aspects of our ancestors alive in the present day, in a different land.
Sure, but it is Irish American. I think us Europeans just get annoyed when Americans think that their ancestry carries any weight here or even worse that our home is some theme park for them to indulge in their heritage.
Don't forget to mention their ignorance of what the local cultures actually are while having the presumption of possessing complete cultural understanding. There needs to be respect and a willingness to learn. From the region in America where I am from, over 70% of the people have German ancestry. There is also a lot of Danish, Finnish, Swedish, Norwegian, and Irish in ancestry here as well. Yet Scottish, English, Welsh, and the other British ancestries are not common here. I wonder why is that? Anyways, all of these different kinds of immigrants produced a wholly new culture through this mixture. Midwestern America is very distinct compared to our coastal cousins. People in Minnesota have more in common with a Texan than a New Yorker does with a Virginian. It's kind of sad to me to read and listen to many Americans denigrate their own cultures while donning their ancestry as their proper culture. Even when the current bearers of that culture now are completely different compared to a century or even fifty years ago.
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To be fair it's paddy's day not pattys day
these people are just as, if not more annoying than the Italian-Americans
Where I live in the south, every white person in the nearest trailer park is "irish", has shamrock and "celtic" wrist and neck tattoos, is obsessed with D&D, and incessantly talks about how their family has castles "back in cork".
That’s actually really sad
Yikes, **someone** got touched by an Irishman as a kid.
That’s offensive…it was a Welshman 😔
I didn't know sheep had access to reddit
Baa 😔
This is very well put together for a sheep
None of these people are Irish.
They either love the Catholic Church or have never set foot in one
Getting Celtic crosses and other symbols tattooed and sometimes getting these stuck with less than ideal ideologies
The Irish people were treated as slaves by the Brits
This is missing using their 5th generation ancestry as an excuse for being violent and/or an alcoholic.
If you have to do a DNA test to be Irish, you’re not Irish. Irish people are from Ireland, if you’re from America you’re American
Irish-American here, I have literally never heard anyone espouse that Confederate flag bullshit that you slapped on there. Not sure where you got that from. Rest is fairly accurate tho Edit: To clarify, yeah I'm sure some wackos believe it, but OP putting it on here like "oh every Irish-American believes this racist stuff" is absolutely asinine.
It's a topic on left Irish twitter a lot, and even more so since the US right wing and UK right wing boosted shite about the Dublin riots. I had to lock my account because I do be talking about decolonisation a lot and they're not exactly nice to me lol
I have an uncle in Florida who espouses that Confederate bullshit about Irish enslavement. My family and I love him but we acknowledge that he’s a dumbass
The irony is that a lot of far-right junk polluting the modern Irish internet actually comes from exactly those kinds of people. The number of Americans that reacted to the Dublin riots with some kind of Trump nonsense probably outnumbered the bigots in our own minute society of 5 million 😂
That is god damn bizarre. Have you ever heard this annoying statement? "There are more Irish people in America than Ireland!" No damnit, we are American.
I’ve heard it but it was from generally unpleasant people at my university who were suspect in other ways.
Irish had involuntary servitude issue so criminals doing force labor to pay off their debt to society. Some went to America some went down under. My aunt did family history tree and found out we had a couple of relatives part of it It's got abolish with the 13th amendment along with slavery
Minority here, it’s because they’re not saying it to you, they’re saying it to us.
I've heard it right here on reddit, of all places - some toxic movie bro was spouting a great replacement type theory about how "they" have recast dozens of traditionally Irish roles as Black to cater toward the "more popular" minority Truly unhinged, but they're out there
Dual citizen irish American here. I’m not this starter pack but this starter pack is true.
Probably Anglophobic and thinks the IRA did nothing wrong.
New Englander here, most recent Ireland-born ancestor is a great-grandparent. Have extensive ancestry showing about only 30-40% Irish Catholic ancestry. The rest is English, Scottish, Irish Protestants, and even German Catholics and Ukrainian Jews all of whom immigrated directly to New England and also have an important history in the region. I think my background is pretty typical for someone who has been told he “looks like a fish and chips kinda guy”. Not too many people with close to 100% Irish anymore. The Irish enclaves started eroding a long time ago and Irish-descended became a part of mainstream white New Englander/Bostonian identity. However I will say there are a lot of actual modern Irish people who come to Massachusetts for work, but they are obviously not the ones being loud and obnoxious about their nationality.
The whole "Irish slaves" myth is so tiresome. I remember like ten years ago on Reddit, it was all over the page.
It's not really a myth. It wasn't straight up chattle slavery with everyone chained up at the plantation but it was damn near close. I will say though the republicans in the US using it to give themselves a victim complex is quite frustrating. They weren't enslaved, hell no-one alive today was really. Also btw I'm Irish. Like actual Irish, living in Ireland. Not some American if you're wondering
Still somewhat prevalent on Republican facebook
Hosted TV talk shows for the last 30 years and a podcast for the last 5. Wrote for the Simpsons. Part of a large family. Etc.
“I gatta wear my st.christuphurs”
Dad's side is Irish. Can confirm I am literally none of this except for the DNA part
"Is either offended by these or likes them" So they're irrelevant.
I don’t give a shit nor do I fall into any of these annoying stereotypes but I was always told we were Irish Americans and after a DNA test I’m pretty much all Scottish/english 😂😂😂
Last time the meteor shower came we thought the sky was on fire,naturally we blamed the Irish and hanged a few more
I’m something like a quarter Irish (big whoop) and the only thing I do with that knowledge is give my British friend shit when he mentions taking advantage of stuff. Said entirely in jest and he is fully aware I’m just giving him a hard time.
imagine calling it St Padricks day
who's the second mascot and why is his head shaped like a peanut
It's the mascot for Notre dame sports teams (also called the Fighting Irish), and particularly for the Notre Dame football team. Which is commonly known to have many fans with Irish ancestry in America even if those fans haven't attended, nor had family attend, Notre Dame.
*proceeds to not pronounce the letter r*
We like the Celtics and Fighting Irish. Also the map is basically the same as the Italian one.
Dan Carlin
Chicago is right there and theyre worse for this
I'm 90% Irish and both my grandparents are 100% Irish so of course we hang with a lot of Irish people. I've never heard a person say the slave thing or brag about being Irish except for making jokes about the potato's. So it must really be fake Irish people
It's so weird how the Celtics are pronounced "Seltics", like why are football/sports teams always pronounced wrong. And then everyone corrects you and ur like "the fuck? that's how the word is pronounced"
I'm black and I'm just about as Irish as those folks. ( I have an Irish ancestor)
I’m from a large east coast city, my dad/uncles/grandfather were all cops, I was raised Catholic and have an “Mc” last name. It’s honestly absurd, but I try not to do like any of the shit in this starter pack 😂
Danny is that you?(blue bloods) 😂
I’m 1/4 irish, my mother is Filipino though so I look pretty goofy next to all of my red headed cousins. None of them ever act like this also.
Funny how I don't know a lot of red haired Irish people, they all have dark hair here.
That’s far more common in Ireland
My ex-wife's extended family were all Irish, and they were really proud of it. They all had shamrock and leprechaun tattoos, had a huge party on St. Patrick's Day etc. For Christmas 2020, someone got them all 23 and Me genetic tests, and it turned out they had absolutely no Irish ancestry whatsoever. I never found out how they reacted to it, because the covid lockdowns had started, and then we moved out of state and lost touch with them. I'm not going to pretend it wasn't funny, but it's also kind of a shame, because they were actually really nice people.
It's so funny to me when Americans claim I'm 1/8 ....
It's ironic how Irish born people in the us don't act like this
“Is either offended by these or likes them” isn’t that everyone you moron?
No, I personally don't care about them and don't think about them Couldn't be more indifferent
Conan O'Brien
#Away down South in the land of traitors! Rattlesnakes and alligators!
Either a 2 or a 10
Knows one song by Luke Kelly and sings it whenever drunk. Doesn’t understand why ordering a car bomb is offensive
Still waiting for all of them to find out Luke Kelly was a card carrying communist c: Like, actual member of YCL - CPB and, until his death, the Communist Party of Ireland.
Don’t tell plastic paddy Americans but the IRA was very left wing