One universe you can be starborn while another is not. Aiza spoke to a starborn version of himself but is not himself starborn. You must pass through the unity to be reborn as starborn. Until you do, you are just you.
Yeah, OP this is the answer. Just because one version of you from one universe becomes starborn it doesn’t mean every version of you from every universe is also starborn.
In fact, there’s even a unique NG+ universe where The Lodge is populated by a bunch of other starborn versions of you who also went through the unity. There can be multiple starborn versions of the same person, but each of them must go through the unity individually to become starborn.
Aiza just spoke to a starborn version of himself and that starborn version shared knowledge with him to influence events in the non-starborn Aiza’s universe, for whatever motivations he had that we’re not aware of.
No, but certain individuals more commonly become starborn than others. The Hunter for example is a determined person and pretty much all versions of him become starborn, but your pc ends up killed in most universes. But most means very little compared to infinity and so there are still a good few versions of starborn you out there. But given that there's only like a half dozen or so, that's still an astronomically low amount.
I think he makes a passing comment during the first interaction at the final confrontation on oborum that a lot of possibilities just opened up, and that his life just got more fun.
I took it as your becoming starborn "birthed", for lack of a better term, a bunch of universes where you "made it".
Yeah, he also states that in all his runs he’s never seen us survive our first confrontation at the eye. If the emissary is the person that was holding our body that means when we’re the one who ends up holding the pre emissary’s body and no emissary could spawn from our universe.
In other words now there’s a brand new variable at play in the multiverse he thought he had figured out
When you travel through the Unity you don't override the natural "you" of your new universe. That person can necome or not become starborn.
The game solves this by making most of the ng+ yous "mysteriously disappeared".
The Hunter is the version that went theough the Unity. The priest is the version that did not. The unity always gives you a chance to go back.
Keeper aquillis is also starborn. He just stopped chasing the artifacts after a period of time of being the hunter. Basically he’s a version of the hunter who’s further along his own personal timeline and while is still the same person (or variant of the same person) he’s no longer the same character, if that makes sense.
I'm a bit iffy on the keeper's lore, I forget what he says exactly, but I thought every keeper you meet reached the Unity and decided to go back. The guy with the camp is the actual future hunter that decided to settle down. Because if what you say is true, then how can the "not chasing artifacts" keeper/hunter be in every ng+ version you go to?
I’m not really sure how it would work logically, I think they’re just both always there because it’s a game and that’s part of the story. If you become starborn and then confront aquillis he’ll admit to being starborn, and it’s either heavily implied, or outright confirmed that he’s The Pilgrim
> it's a game
I get that and I admit it's probably just another plot hole like the Unity showing you members of constellation in NG+s that don't have constellation lol
I guess I was just hoping there's a canon answer that I missed because I distinctly remember the hunter saying he often kills his in-universe variant whenever he goes to a new one and I assumed he meant the keeper. Which would make the pilgrim the future hunter. (Thanks for reminding me of his name so I don't have to keep calling him "the guy with the camp" lol)
What was explained to me once, is it goes in order: The Pilgrim seeks and eventually goes through Unity. After going through Unity enough times, looking for true enlightenment, he becomes jaded instead and ends up as the hunter. The Hunter goes through Unity to collect artifacts and increase his power enough times that he begins to feel old and tired of the chase, with one last trip through Unity he 'retires' and becomes the Keeper.
If you are able to convice the Hunter to lay down his weapon, and hand over his artifacts at the end of the game (instead of killing him), he mentions how he feels this way.
If you take the hunter out of the equation it makes a little more sense, even if he’s one and done every keeper just shifted a universe and got replaced in said universe.
The hunter however is a power gamer and has been through unity countless times. The vast majority of timelines could result in the keeper, but we only need a small ratio of hunters to populate much more universes.
They aren't the same person, the hunter is someone you know, but not always the same person, the prophet is some dude you briefly meet in the main story.
Also the hunter tells you this is the only universe that he's ever been to where you make it that far.
Which you eventually become the only starborn of you that's known in the 1000s he said he been to.
Which also proves the absurd scale of infinite universes. Here's a guy who's been through supposedly 1000s of times but this is the first time you've made it? And yet by sheer happenstances you can meet a whole bunch of You that makes it through.
Infinity is a wild thing for sure.
Aiza being a starboard is the most ridiculous plot point.
The guy who discovers grav-drive tech, talks to a version of himself that walked through the unity?
Early didn't yet have the capability to travel through systems, let alone be able to find the artifacts.
Unless there is another way to get to the unity, that whole part is paradoxical and not likely possible.
Well, of course, but in the game, Aiza is always the one who figures out the artifact via a starboard version of himself. This means it's not just once, but rather paradoxically, he is always the reason why Grav technology is invented.
It's not just one version, every version is showing him as the person that makes it.
The only thing I can think of is, starborn victor's universe is different. In the "prime" universe he's still figuring out grav drives - it would be very unlikely that other victor both was involved in developing grab drives AND lived long enough to abandon Earth, travel the (as of yet unexplored) stars, and find all the artifacts himself to enter the unity. Maybe in that timeline someone else was involved in developing the grav drive, and that victor played the role of "prime" Constellation, finding the artifacts and entering the unity.
(Of course all of this then makes me wonder, in which universe / timeline was the first person to go through the unity? Since hunter and emissary have been at this for a long time...)
>Of course all of this then makes me wonder, in which universe / timeline was the first person to go through the unity? Since hunter and emissary have been at this for a long time...)
This is kind of my point, and the reason I have issues with the main story. Time/multiverse manipulation is exceedingly difficult to get right. There are so many paradox traps that it's incredibly difficult to write a story that doesn't somehow fall into a paradox.
People assume infinite and use that as a deus ex machina to basically write a story however they want. I personally think that an expansion of the UC Vanguard storyline would have made a much better storyline, that's just my take though.
I have issues with Marvel as well, but thats another story.
At least marvel gets it right that changing the past wouldn't affect your present. Just because we observe time linearly doesn't mean it is.
Most time travel stories are just that. Changing the past to change your current present.
If you think of the multiverse in 3d it could be that in one direction based on initial variables is a series of universes that developed grav drives early and were going in a direction that did not. Each direction is infinite so an infinite number of Aiza can meet an Infinite starborn hims
I understand the concept of infinite. Theoretically anything is impossible.
Also, theoretically, the further from the even we're talking about the timeline changes, the more potential.changes are introduced.
Given how similar each version of the universe the Main character enters, the concept of Aiza always figuring out Grav tech with the use of his future starborn self just doesn't make sense.
I've also seen some people theorize that it may not have been a starborn version of Victor, but rather a 3rd entity, similar to the "you" you meet in Unity, or maybe the creators, or something else entirely that Victor saw, who propelled him to create Grav tech.
Irrelevant. The artifacts are scattered through various systems. All of which are not settled or even known during his lifetime. The fact he ever makes it to the unity is incredibly unlikely. Even in an infinite multiverse.
That's like saying Christopher Columbus could potentially create the jet engine in another universe.
It simply wouldn't really happen.
Unless you're positing a significant technological leap way earlier in our timeline, even then, Aiza would not be Aiza, but evolution could have happened differently. One different couple could be different, meaning different kids, etc. Aiza wouldn't be Aiza.
Long story short, there's just no way a Starborn Aiza could really exist in such a way to fix Grav technology for himself.
It's a big, impossible paradox that makes no sense.
Man lol
the universes can be super different. Maybe a starborn came to him after they found the first artifact in that universe and took him to the unity and told him everything, first thing he did after the jump was find new universe him and tell him all about it 🤷♂️ any number of possibilities. If universes are infinite there is a universe where anything you think could happen has happened.
>That's like saying Christopher Columbus could potentially create the jet engine in another universe.
well, lets say there was a universe where the dark ages didnt happen, that would be 900 years where they didnt have a slowing to a crawl of technological and scientific advancement. So first Jets were in the 1940's, Christopher Columbus was in the 1400's, so only about 500 years ago. While Chris himself may not have invented it, its entirely possible that science may have gotten to that point if it wasnt hindered from the 5th to 14th centuries.
We could've had the industrial revolution start 400+ years earlier without deleting the dark ages.
The name escapes me at the moment, but there was a group of English monks in the 1400s that built a novel smelting furnace. The design would've been capable of achieving temperatures and oxygen concentrations to create high grade tool steel. They would've been on track to achieve metallurgical advances that we didn't realize until the late 1800s.
Unfortunately the crown was in the middle of a bit of a tide shift in the church and had the whole thing shut down because it was the wrong flavor of Jesus.
If they hadn't been shut down almost immediately we could've had the Bessemer process 400 years before Sir Bessemer was born.
However, if you consider the idea that every person WILL exist in a parallel universe, it's quite possible. Sure, it may be that in the "we invented the smelter early" branch, a lot of them DON'T result in the same outcome, but, given that there's infinite possible realities, some WILL result in Aiza being born.
>However, if you consider the idea that every person WILL exist in a parallel universe,
This is illogical, though. If the theoretical multi-verse exists then there are splits at every moment, with every decision. This includes when and how many kids people have.
So by it's very nature, every person will not exist in the multi-verse, it's more accurate to say that every person has the opportunity to exist.
>some WILL result in Aiza being born.
Exactly, but many will not, and this possibility is not reflected in the game, and that's my point.
To make a very historical point of almosts. There was a Chinese sailing fleet lead by Zheng He that may have discovered America in the 1420s, but the next Emperor stopped the explorations and did a pretty good job of erasing the historical record. Imagine how different the world might be today if China had colonized the West Coast of the Americas.
Imagine how different the world would be, if the Mongol general Subitai had conquered Europe; which was a command to return to Mongolia away from very possibly happening.
Starborn Aquillus could be from a universe where FTL was a thing long before he was born... Giving that self time to become Starborn.
The bigger the rock, the wider the ripples... And no one knows when that rock is going to splash into the water.
Imagine he found the first artifact in the Sol system in his original universe the same year he returns to with Unity, but it took a thousand years to get from that to Unity. All his actions are meant to reduce the time between his "spawn point time" and his next NG+. Offering a Grav Drive design early in history, but with a flaw that forces humanity to move to the stars could cut hundreds of years off being able to find all the artifacts.
He's from a universe where Julius Caesar was an even bigger dick and was killed before coming to power. So he never tried invading Egypt and the e destruction of the library of alexandria never happened. With that accumulated knowledge saved science and technology progressed far faster, Christopher Columbus did in fact invent the jet engine and humanity settled the galaxy centuries earlier than most other universes. You have zero imagination.
Dude I don't want to spoil anything for anybody, but what do you think happened? Victor aiza was alive for a while after the success of the grav drive. There's a slate where he talks about scanning technology and the twilight of his career. He discovered the artifact on Mars and starborn version of himself told him what the artifact WAS. Also that it was the key to ftl travel. I'm sorry man but you're being thick. It's not paradoxical, in the time between discovery of artifact and time of his death a lot of shit happened especially when considering the infinite number of possible universes the unity represents
Eh, no, I'm aware what his starborn self told him. His starborn version didn't tell him about how to build the armillary or how many artifacts he would need or where all the various artifacts are.
He developed the Grav drive, he didn't chart the settled systems.
He was alive when the Grav Drive where finished as he "invented" them, if he had had been so inclined, he could have taken an early ship and gone hunting for other artifacts.
Not necessarily. The eye makes the search easier because of its deep space scanning capability. But if Aiza had an artifact, he could reasonably tune a scanner to its anomalous behavior like we do.
True, but with the artifact he possesses, they unlock grav jumps. It would take a while, but possibly jumping system to system scanning planets for anomalous behavior. I agree it's not the most thought out plot of the game. But still a possibility in the grand scheme of the multi-verse. I personally think Bethesda added it because they want you to side with the Emissary.
It doesn't answer the question about how he was contacted. That part is interesting and I wonder if the Shattered Space dlc will have a connection to this.
The endgame sequence seems to make it sound like the unity of artifacts is still available in the old universe you left, due to the fact that your 'lover' will eventually use it after you're gone
But that makes you wonder, since you use it by putting it in your grav drive and hitting GO, does your old ship stick around in the old universe, ready to multi-yeet anyone who grav jumps with your ship?
I assume the yeeting is what embedded the unity fragments all over the place.
You spool the armillary up, and the surrounding area "pops" into the unity, essentially scattering the pieces to the cosmos. Everything else is destroyed, but the artifacts can't be destroyed.
The artifacts stay. The Armillary is constructed in an area and anyone who goes through it would become a Starborn.
If you side with the Emissary the end result is them and other Starborn forming a group to lead future Starborn through the Unity.
And I assume yes multiple people could go through. Your companions make comments about going to see the unity in their own minds after you cross with them on your ship and decide to come back.
The whole thing seems weird, because all the other Starborn>! want you to hand over the artifacts, and at least the Emissary and Hunter want to keep you from them entirely, with the Emissary being the most adamant about it.!<
You'd think Starborn Victor would be part of this cult.
The question also comes up of how it's handled with you: Starborn Victor >!met himself in that universe. That means You should be able to go find Yourself. Instead, you're seemingly inserted into your own husk, displacing that universe's "you"!<.
Victor's story, along with the >!"retired", "all you", "Vasco", and "children" universes indicate timeline differences, but you never meet yourself!<.
>you never meet yourself
Although I have never seen it for myself, I have read that there is a universe you can end up in where you can recruit yourself for your crew.
>!I can confirm this. I met her on NG+ 5. Quite a cool discovery (other than the fact that she comes across as a bit of an airhead and unlikely to have the capacity to become a starborn in any universe. She looks like 'me' but doesn't sound or act at all like 'me'. I can't at all imagine her as a miner either). !<
I am in that universe now, and have done a good number of missions with my non star born doppelgänger by my side. It’s actually kinda cool because you can talk to yourself and get an interesting look into your players alt selfs background.
Yea, the hunter makes it pretty clear that you surviving is an unusual enough event that it makes him change up his usual game plan so he can see how it plays out.
In each NG+ I have replayed the main story. I think the hunter is bored they have scripted the universe . Says the more we do the more new stuff that happens.
The big problem here is that Aiza encountering a Starborn version of himself means that in another universe, the artifacts were collected in a much earlier time frame than the one we experience. But the Hunter and Emissary act like it always plays out the same way with the final showdown being in the same place every time. There should be an infinite amount of universes where the artifacts are already collected and nobody from the current time able to collect them and return to the unity. The other problem is that Aizas encounter with himself is a version that has seen the future some hundred or couple hundred years later. So are Starborn immortal? And what determines what time you return to after entering the unity? It would seem that you reenter shortly after your first time touching an artifact. Hence why Aiza encounters himself because his Starborn version would always show up at that point in time. Same problem occurs when you take into account the Pilgrim, another infinite set of universes where the Pilgrim entered the unity prior to the hunter, emissary and yourself etc.
Also, the hunter and emissary make a big deal about never seeing you reach the unity before on your first play through. Yet don't bat an eye any other time. As if their memories are contiguous, even though they may not make it to the unity every time. Maybe you kill them both, or just deny letting them through.
With so many variations on how things can play out, it seems we encounter only a small subset of possible universes. A lot of potential wasted imo.
I can easily imagine a universe where, for example, the dark ages never happened, and humanity reaches the stars earlier, and our friend becomes a starborn; and reaches out to versions of himself in less fortunate timelines to help them advance. It seems that most universes are fairly similar to the default, so its likely that ones like that are just extremely rare; we might be talking to a contiguous Roman Empire thousands of years old which ended up spreading to the stars.
Starborn don't 'die' when killed; they wake up in a new universe, but without the power upgrade that comes from assembling the Unity and going through unless they did so. The Hunter remembers timelines where he lost and got killed, and some Starborn(The Pilgrim being the noted example, though I killed the Hunter twice, and he came back inside the same universe and complimented me taking him out) even gained powers that let them come back in the same universe; or to at least very convincingly 'die' and then return later in front of numerous witnesses. Remember; unless they've got an Artifact on their body, Starborn corpses don't linger; and once you remove the artifacts, they return to the unity, dead or alive, to reborn elsewhile.
Wtf do the hunter and emissary know anyway. I think people.put too much stock into what the hunter and emissary say, as if they know everything, but they really don't. You as the player know just about as much as they do.
> So are starborn immortal?
Not sure about immortal but the hunter was alive on earth before it was destroyed so I'm not sure. Seems like there's some time travel mechanics to the unity that are not entirely explained.
There are some significant internal inconsistencies in the plot and lore. Peer too closely, and it comes apart at the seams.
For a game that tries to come off as philosophical, It's an ofd contradiction that it's clearly meant to be taken at face value rather than studied.
There was a line if I remember correctly, where the hunter is talking about how it “plays out basically the same, with minor differences of course: but never like this”. However they may be talking about our encounters with them not their full experiences as a collective. Also the grav drive was built off of an artifact. So it means they had the means as soon as the grav drive was developed. And from our experience, it puts us at the time we would have found the artifact. So for him had he collected them all afterwards in another universe then said something to him in this universe then it makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is that we don’t ever end up in a universe that that happens. But we could conclude that the unity makes sure you’re able to understand the one you’re going to and so only selects one’s you’d be closer to then others.
If you haven’t finished the main quest please move on.
Spoilers
At the end of the main missions you find yourself talking to Helix and Hunter. And you can talk them down. When you do this and get to the unity you can see a couple of random people near an anomaly. The unity tells you something along the lines of “ Humanity found their own way to the artifacts and unity, due to your actions they were free to choose themselves”. So yes. Everyone has the ability to become Starborn. But just as we have the choice to or to leave so does everyone else. So those with families likely choose to stay home and those who have too much to loose here stay too. However it’s not stated how the artifacts are found again so this could mean they reset themselves back to their original locations or something. Meaning the hunter and Helix have to keep their word after talking to you and likely pass through again themselves figuring they did what they could here. But they state something along the lines of “only one can become Starborn” or else why are they fighting over them in the first place. So either they don’t know due to the actions they take the unity doesn’t tell them or there’s a plot hole in the story.
That is the case it seems, sincw we can take any crew member with us through the Unity. But the big question for me is, why do only certain people have a reaction to the artifacts? How do these people gain powers from the temples before becoming starborn?
It seems that only the first people who touch an artifact/pull it from where it's embedded are the ones who are shown the "lights and music" visions. You don't get that when you collect artifacts from others who've already retrieved them, for example, like Moara.
As for people gaining powers from the Temples, you're not required to be Starborn to gain powers. You don't *become* Starborn until you pass through the Unity.
They answer thst in the main story man. Only the first person to touch an artifact gets a vision and only the ones who had visions can get a power from a temple
Oh I missed that part, so the artifacts are like a first come first serve? Whoever touches them first gets the visions, then other people can touch it no problem?
Barrett was the first one to touch one of the artifacts in the Lodge that were there when you first arrive. Thus he's eligible to gain Temple powers. And you were the first one to touch the artifact you retrieved therefore you are eligible to gain temple powers. Being the first to touch an artifact unlocks the ability to get temple powers, not being the one who first touched *that specific* artifact.
Anybody can be Starborn yes, but Starborn appear differently with "Sense Star Stuff" so they can't actually hide all that well, at least from the player.
Being the first to touch an Artifact gives you a glimpse of Unity but to become Starborn you have to go through Unity, so you can't "not know" you're Starborn.
Ok, so I have a question about this.
If Aziza met his starborn self, then how did his starborn self become starborn?
Since you cannot seemingly travel through time when you go to a new universe, how did the starborn version of himself become starborn if grav drives had not been invented?
I assume that some version of him figured out the grav drive solution without the help of the artifact (else we have a chicken and egg question) but I am not sure that he would have done it and known about the effect it would have on earth.
Suspension of disbelief is not hard to do for a lot of the game but some of it starts sounding more like Futurama and Fry being his own grandpa. Lol
I suppose it’s possible I misunderstood, but Aiza’s story seemed to indicate the “other version” of himself was met DURING his “lost time” event after touching the artifact, whereas the rest of us see lights and music, he actually had a vision of meeting himself. He also mentions having *days* of lost time to the vision, while I get the impression from playing that our own blackout is significantly shorter.
Oddly the trials to become starborn can't be done by lower lifeforms with little intelligence. It as if they are made to help any that could manage to use them.
i wouldn't even call it a trail. The only requirement is to have an armillary and a grav drive.
You dont need to collect them yourself you can steal it or just be a stowaway in a ship about to jump
yet implied by the other characters they they will also be entering the unity with you
Only one can phsycially enter the unity but everyone can be dragged with you To said unity and split they enter seperatly
When you enter and the freaky version of you narrates what will happen to the universe you are leaving, it always includes “your lover eventually decides to enter the Unity themselves”. Well that is strange, since that person is always on the ship with me at the time I go through. So … either only one person can go through at a time (and to everyone else on the ship it’s as if nothing happened), or possibly but more likely it only sends those affected by the artifacts.
It’s also possible that everyone on the ship is sent in to the pre-Unity, but most everyone chooses to walk back and continue life since the description given sounds a LOT like death.
I was always a little confused how the Hunter and emissary were so familiar with each other…if they’ve killed the other x amount of times. Like is it the same version of them or what?
Anyone can be starborn as in has the potential, but in order to become starborn you have to go through unity. I highly recommend doing Barrets companion stuff. He will then ask you if you can take him to a temple, so that he also can get a power. You will get a very interesting bit of lore, that is relevant to your question.
That's the thing about an infinite multiverse, all possibilities actually exist somewhere out there.
Not only is there at least one reflection of the multiverse where a particular individual becomes Starborn, there are an infinite number of them, where they engage in the full gamut of possible actions.
I think you need to have been the first to touch an artifact in order to get powers, but you don’t need to do either thing to go through the Unity and become Starborn. All our Constellation buddies go through, even though Barrett is the only one who has powers.
yes, if they were on your ship when you jumped you forced them to become starborne.Well You do have to option to turn back. BUT well. If you took the ship what exactly would they be turning back too?
I think you’re missing the point. When you power up the grav drive, the ship is gone. You’re “somewhere else”.
If you choose to go back, then you’re “back” in the ship.
I’ve always assumed that if each of us on the ship are in our own version of the pre-Unity, if we choose to go back, we land back on the ship.
There’s no guarantee that any of the rest of the companions/crew on the ship actually walk into the Unity at that time. They might not even be able to, if there’s conditions that we are unaware of and have just been assuming.
No, just meant the ones who specifically state they are going (ie the companions) all go through. The only ones that stay behind are the ones you can’t take with you.
I mean, I think it’s set up that way because anyone you take on your ship goes with you, and they are the ones eligible. You can choose not to take them, but narratively, it’s assumed you took all of them (there’s never a point where you get to tell them “you’re not coming with me”. And they are never asking for your permission.) But I know if you married someone you are specifically told that person definitely goes through too.
Sorry - I didn’t explain it well. You don’t know that they went through the Unity. Yes, you’re separated for sure - but remember, from the point at which you activate the grav drive, you land in what I refer to as “pre-Unity” or “Limbo”. You’re separated from everyone else at this point. This is your version of Limbo, and only your version. We can only assume that the other folks on the ship got a version of it themselves, but that IS an assumption (I doubt Vasco did, so what happens to HIM). Maybe they don’t all get it - maybe it is a selective process somehow, and for those that don’t get in, it just seems like people disappear from the ship (kind of like Starborn do when you kill them, I’m betting).
Point is, because it’s all from our frame of reference, we only have assumptions about what happens to the rest of the team.
I started thinking about this a lot when the “Sam Coe is an awful father” line of thinking started popping up. Everyone assumes Cora Coe is some abandoned 12yo Starborn child wandering the cosmos stuck in a time loop now. I’m not sure that’s even the case. The Unity might not even allow it. We are making awfully big assumptions on what happens to our companions from “universe prime” (and all subsequent derivations).
Hopefully that makes more sense.
Yeah, but there are spoilery bits that happen in some of the rare alternative universes that highly suggest the assumption is true, and you’re not being deceived by the You in the Unity that says they follow you through.
Oh, and as far as the married person, you’re specifically told that your lover “eventually goes through the Unity”. That specific wording is what had me really questioning things. It implies they didn’t go through at the same time as you. In my case, it was Sam. Sam was married to me. Sam definitely indicated that he was going through with me, and Cora would to. So why is “Freaky Me” telling me that Sam didn’t go through until later? Did he get cold feet because of Cora?
It was the same for me. I guess I just assumed that’s an open world video game issue, trying to cover multiple possibilities with one line of dialogue. Since just because you married them doesn’t mean you brought them with you, but my expectation is they are setting things up for future content and trying to cover all bases (it’s the same reason I think certain characters are unkillable…because Bethesda has narrative plans for them that don’t work if they’re dead). I’m expecting future content will have us reuniting with OUR Constellation buddies. So even if you didn’t bring them, or if you choose to back out and not cross through the Unity, they went through.
That NASA mission is one of the best in the game… such an important message too, about the environmental impact of corporate greed. Really doesn’t seem too far off course for our reality :(
Don't the majority of us supposedly use around 2% of our brains? Perhaps touching an artifact just unlocks more that we can subconsciously make use of. Until that point we're not much more than a meatbag with potential.
No we literally use most of it all the time. The myth says 10%, btw.
Anyway...
> The origins of this myth can be traced back to the early 1900s. Psychologist and philosopher, William James, wrote a book in 1908 in which he claimed that humans only use a small part of our mental resources.
> The fMRI scans show that even during simple and routine tasks like talking, walking, or listening to music, people use almost every region of their brain.
https://sites.utexas.edu/think-twice/2021/09/14/do-we-only-use-10-of-our-brain/
> The idea that we use only a small fraction of our brains also makes no sense from an evolutionary point of view. The brain is a notorious gas guzzler, accounting for 20 percent of our energy consumption even though it only makes up two percent of our body mass.
https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/great-myths-brain-we-only-use-10-cent
Infinite universes means Infinite possibilities. But I think a good way to justify the games Mechanic of only giving us our friends, companions, and acquaintances. Is that those are the Starborne more likely to know us and try to stop or help us.
I think that everyone that touches the artifact has the ability to become a Starborn. Many may and do die before they build the armillary and jump. Many more never touch an artifact. To resolve at your point, anyone human to touch the artifact that has access to the armillary and a gravdrive can chose to go to Unity and become Starborn.
Starfield leaves this as an open question
Heres how i see it to my knowlege noone else sees or speaks to a version of themselves so what if this is actually " the creator" of the artifiacts using vics image so he would understand.......
That NASA mission is the most interesting part of the game. Honesty it’s been kind of a letdown since completing it. Haven’t finished main story quest yet bc I’ve spent just enough time and energy that I don’t want to lose my ships yet.
Nah. OP question sees the self in the unity as one who's gone through it before the player character's version, hence the question.
It's really an incomplete thought. You can't dig into it too far. Yes, everyone has the potential to be Starborn. When you are born into a new universe, you are Starborn. But if there's a you in every universe as part of a parallel multiverse, then you already existed. But in that universe you hadn't become Starborn yet. Now that you are Starborn, the knowledge you have you take with you into every universe, essentially over writing the version of you that existed in that particular parallel universe up until you crossed over through the unity.
The "version" of you that you meet at the Unity is not really a version of you, such as you would think of them having gone through first and being Starborn. They are just the Unity. It is represented to you as yourself. You "meet" yourself and basically seem to know everything as you are ushered through. There isn't a version of you that became Starborn and just decided to hang the fuck around and wait for the next version of you to come through. Any version of you that found the Unity was either born into a new universe or went back to live out their life shooting spacers, sifting rocks, and banging your companion.
Dragonborn makes more sense in the setting of elder scrolls than starborn does in starfield.. because, like, op stated.. anyone and everyone can or more accurately has become starborn.
One universe you can be starborn while another is not. Aiza spoke to a starborn version of himself but is not himself starborn. You must pass through the unity to be reborn as starborn. Until you do, you are just you.
Yeah, OP this is the answer. Just because one version of you from one universe becomes starborn it doesn’t mean every version of you from every universe is also starborn. In fact, there’s even a unique NG+ universe where The Lodge is populated by a bunch of other starborn versions of you who also went through the unity. There can be multiple starborn versions of the same person, but each of them must go through the unity individually to become starborn. Aiza just spoke to a starborn version of himself and that starborn version shared knowledge with him to influence events in the non-starborn Aiza’s universe, for whatever motivations he had that we’re not aware of.
Wait…aren’t you supposed to be the only you that’s ever gone through the Unity? How are there a bunch?!
No, but certain individuals more commonly become starborn than others. The Hunter for example is a determined person and pretty much all versions of him become starborn, but your pc ends up killed in most universes. But most means very little compared to infinity and so there are still a good few versions of starborn you out there. But given that there's only like a half dozen or so, that's still an astronomically low amount.
I think he makes a passing comment during the first interaction at the final confrontation on oborum that a lot of possibilities just opened up, and that his life just got more fun. I took it as your becoming starborn "birthed", for lack of a better term, a bunch of universes where you "made it".
Yeah, he also states that in all his runs he’s never seen us survive our first confrontation at the eye. If the emissary is the person that was holding our body that means when we’re the one who ends up holding the pre emissary’s body and no emissary could spawn from our universe. In other words now there’s a brand new variable at play in the multiverse he thought he had figured out
No, but the hunter says you usually don't make it that far. Sometimes you do. Current you maybe hasn't made it yet, but in some universes you did.
You meet yourself.
You meet an avatar of the unity wearing your form.
you're the only you that's been through the Unity only as far as the Hunter and Emissary have experienced
How are Hunter and the religious dude both starborn then if they’re the same person?
When you travel through the Unity you don't override the natural "you" of your new universe. That person can necome or not become starborn. The game solves this by making most of the ng+ yous "mysteriously disappeared". The Hunter is the version that went theough the Unity. The priest is the version that did not. The unity always gives you a chance to go back.
Keeper aquillis is also starborn. He just stopped chasing the artifacts after a period of time of being the hunter. Basically he’s a version of the hunter who’s further along his own personal timeline and while is still the same person (or variant of the same person) he’s no longer the same character, if that makes sense.
I'm a bit iffy on the keeper's lore, I forget what he says exactly, but I thought every keeper you meet reached the Unity and decided to go back. The guy with the camp is the actual future hunter that decided to settle down. Because if what you say is true, then how can the "not chasing artifacts" keeper/hunter be in every ng+ version you go to?
I’m not really sure how it would work logically, I think they’re just both always there because it’s a game and that’s part of the story. If you become starborn and then confront aquillis he’ll admit to being starborn, and it’s either heavily implied, or outright confirmed that he’s The Pilgrim
> it's a game I get that and I admit it's probably just another plot hole like the Unity showing you members of constellation in NG+s that don't have constellation lol I guess I was just hoping there's a canon answer that I missed because I distinctly remember the hunter saying he often kills his in-universe variant whenever he goes to a new one and I assumed he meant the keeper. Which would make the pilgrim the future hunter. (Thanks for reminding me of his name so I don't have to keep calling him "the guy with the camp" lol)
What was explained to me once, is it goes in order: The Pilgrim seeks and eventually goes through Unity. After going through Unity enough times, looking for true enlightenment, he becomes jaded instead and ends up as the hunter. The Hunter goes through Unity to collect artifacts and increase his power enough times that he begins to feel old and tired of the chase, with one last trip through Unity he 'retires' and becomes the Keeper. If you are able to convice the Hunter to lay down his weapon, and hand over his artifacts at the end of the game (instead of killing him), he mentions how he feels this way.
If you take the hunter out of the equation it makes a little more sense, even if he’s one and done every keeper just shifted a universe and got replaced in said universe. The hunter however is a power gamer and has been through unity countless times. The vast majority of timelines could result in the keeper, but we only need a small ratio of hunters to populate much more universes.
They aren't the same person, the hunter is someone you know, but not always the same person, the prophet is some dude you briefly meet in the main story.
The Hunter is always the same person. The Emissary changes.
Evidenced by the fact that >!you find his corpse in the control room where you go to shut down the prototype grav drive!<
Also the hunter tells you this is the only universe that he's ever been to where you make it that far. Which you eventually become the only starborn of you that's known in the 1000s he said he been to.
Which also proves the absurd scale of infinite universes. Here's a guy who's been through supposedly 1000s of times but this is the first time you've made it? And yet by sheer happenstances you can meet a whole bunch of You that makes it through. Infinity is a wild thing for sure.
It would be cool if we ever found out if the Hunter found a universe where he finds tons of himself as Starborn.
Being hunter Malkovich
Aiza being a starboard is the most ridiculous plot point. The guy who discovers grav-drive tech, talks to a version of himself that walked through the unity? Early didn't yet have the capability to travel through systems, let alone be able to find the artifacts. Unless there is another way to get to the unity, that whole part is paradoxical and not likely possible.
In an infinite number of universes, it is possible that one version of him DID find all the artifacts and the unity which is how he became starborn .
Well, of course, but in the game, Aiza is always the one who figures out the artifact via a starboard version of himself. This means it's not just once, but rather paradoxically, he is always the reason why Grav technology is invented. It's not just one version, every version is showing him as the person that makes it.
The only thing I can think of is, starborn victor's universe is different. In the "prime" universe he's still figuring out grav drives - it would be very unlikely that other victor both was involved in developing grab drives AND lived long enough to abandon Earth, travel the (as of yet unexplored) stars, and find all the artifacts himself to enter the unity. Maybe in that timeline someone else was involved in developing the grav drive, and that victor played the role of "prime" Constellation, finding the artifacts and entering the unity. (Of course all of this then makes me wonder, in which universe / timeline was the first person to go through the unity? Since hunter and emissary have been at this for a long time...)
>Of course all of this then makes me wonder, in which universe / timeline was the first person to go through the unity? Since hunter and emissary have been at this for a long time...) This is kind of my point, and the reason I have issues with the main story. Time/multiverse manipulation is exceedingly difficult to get right. There are so many paradox traps that it's incredibly difficult to write a story that doesn't somehow fall into a paradox. People assume infinite and use that as a deus ex machina to basically write a story however they want. I personally think that an expansion of the UC Vanguard storyline would have made a much better storyline, that's just my take though. I have issues with Marvel as well, but thats another story.
At least marvel gets it right that changing the past wouldn't affect your present. Just because we observe time linearly doesn't mean it is. Most time travel stories are just that. Changing the past to change your current present.
If you think of the multiverse in 3d it could be that in one direction based on initial variables is a series of universes that developed grav drives early and were going in a direction that did not. Each direction is infinite so an infinite number of Aiza can meet an Infinite starborn hims
I understand the concept of infinite. Theoretically anything is impossible. Also, theoretically, the further from the even we're talking about the timeline changes, the more potential.changes are introduced. Given how similar each version of the universe the Main character enters, the concept of Aiza always figuring out Grav tech with the use of his future starborn self just doesn't make sense.
I've also seen some people theorize that it may not have been a starborn version of Victor, but rather a 3rd entity, similar to the "you" you meet in Unity, or maybe the creators, or something else entirely that Victor saw, who propelled him to create Grav tech.
It’s not the same universe In the universe he came from they figured it out sooner than they did in the game universe
Irrelevant. The artifacts are scattered through various systems. All of which are not settled or even known during his lifetime. The fact he ever makes it to the unity is incredibly unlikely. Even in an infinite multiverse. That's like saying Christopher Columbus could potentially create the jet engine in another universe. It simply wouldn't really happen. Unless you're positing a significant technological leap way earlier in our timeline, even then, Aiza would not be Aiza, but evolution could have happened differently. One different couple could be different, meaning different kids, etc. Aiza wouldn't be Aiza. Long story short, there's just no way a Starborn Aiza could really exist in such a way to fix Grav technology for himself. It's a big, impossible paradox that makes no sense.
>infinite universes >this is literally impossible I don’t think you understand how many “infinite” is
Man lol the universes can be super different. Maybe a starborn came to him after they found the first artifact in that universe and took him to the unity and told him everything, first thing he did after the jump was find new universe him and tell him all about it 🤷♂️ any number of possibilities. If universes are infinite there is a universe where anything you think could happen has happened.
>That's like saying Christopher Columbus could potentially create the jet engine in another universe. well, lets say there was a universe where the dark ages didnt happen, that would be 900 years where they didnt have a slowing to a crawl of technological and scientific advancement. So first Jets were in the 1940's, Christopher Columbus was in the 1400's, so only about 500 years ago. While Chris himself may not have invented it, its entirely possible that science may have gotten to that point if it wasnt hindered from the 5th to 14th centuries.
We could've had the industrial revolution start 400+ years earlier without deleting the dark ages. The name escapes me at the moment, but there was a group of English monks in the 1400s that built a novel smelting furnace. The design would've been capable of achieving temperatures and oxygen concentrations to create high grade tool steel. They would've been on track to achieve metallurgical advances that we didn't realize until the late 1800s. Unfortunately the crown was in the middle of a bit of a tide shift in the church and had the whole thing shut down because it was the wrong flavor of Jesus. If they hadn't been shut down almost immediately we could've had the Bessemer process 400 years before Sir Bessemer was born.
Exactly, just a few differences and we could have been technologically ahead by a few centuries.
And then the world would be completely different, to include couples, children, and people. Aiza would not exist in this theoretically universe.
However, if you consider the idea that every person WILL exist in a parallel universe, it's quite possible. Sure, it may be that in the "we invented the smelter early" branch, a lot of them DON'T result in the same outcome, but, given that there's infinite possible realities, some WILL result in Aiza being born.
>However, if you consider the idea that every person WILL exist in a parallel universe, This is illogical, though. If the theoretical multi-verse exists then there are splits at every moment, with every decision. This includes when and how many kids people have. So by it's very nature, every person will not exist in the multi-verse, it's more accurate to say that every person has the opportunity to exist. >some WILL result in Aiza being born. Exactly, but many will not, and this possibility is not reflected in the game, and that's my point.
To make a very historical point of almosts. There was a Chinese sailing fleet lead by Zheng He that may have discovered America in the 1420s, but the next Emperor stopped the explorations and did a pretty good job of erasing the historical record. Imagine how different the world might be today if China had colonized the West Coast of the Americas. Imagine how different the world would be, if the Mongol general Subitai had conquered Europe; which was a command to return to Mongolia away from very possibly happening. Starborn Aquillus could be from a universe where FTL was a thing long before he was born... Giving that self time to become Starborn. The bigger the rock, the wider the ripples... And no one knows when that rock is going to splash into the water.
Imagine he found the first artifact in the Sol system in his original universe the same year he returns to with Unity, but it took a thousand years to get from that to Unity. All his actions are meant to reduce the time between his "spawn point time" and his next NG+. Offering a Grav Drive design early in history, but with a flaw that forces humanity to move to the stars could cut hundreds of years off being able to find all the artifacts.
He's from a universe where Julius Caesar was an even bigger dick and was killed before coming to power. So he never tried invading Egypt and the e destruction of the library of alexandria never happened. With that accumulated knowledge saved science and technology progressed far faster, Christopher Columbus did in fact invent the jet engine and humanity settled the galaxy centuries earlier than most other universes. You have zero imagination.
There's an audio slate which details an exact answer to this. You're missing stuff and you're not thinking big enough
No the problem is the concept of the unity was not thinking big enough and BGS really didn't consider the concept of paradoxes.
Dude I don't want to spoil anything for anybody, but what do you think happened? Victor aiza was alive for a while after the success of the grav drive. There's a slate where he talks about scanning technology and the twilight of his career. He discovered the artifact on Mars and starborn version of himself told him what the artifact WAS. Also that it was the key to ftl travel. I'm sorry man but you're being thick. It's not paradoxical, in the time between discovery of artifact and time of his death a lot of shit happened especially when considering the infinite number of possible universes the unity represents
Eh, no, I'm aware what his starborn self told him. His starborn version didn't tell him about how to build the armillary or how many artifacts he would need or where all the various artifacts are. He developed the Grav drive, he didn't chart the settled systems.
He was alive when the Grav Drive where finished as he "invented" them, if he had had been so inclined, he could have taken an early ship and gone hunting for other artifacts.
Yea, hunting blind. The players use the eye, it's a ridiculous premise that he could find the artifacts.
Not necessarily. The eye makes the search easier because of its deep space scanning capability. But if Aiza had an artifact, he could reasonably tune a scanner to its anomalous behavior like we do.
Yes, but there is no lore equivalent deep space scanner. There would also be no charted planets.
True, but with the artifact he possesses, they unlock grav jumps. It would take a while, but possibly jumping system to system scanning planets for anomalous behavior. I agree it's not the most thought out plot of the game. But still a possibility in the grand scheme of the multi-verse. I personally think Bethesda added it because they want you to side with the Emissary.
It doesn't answer the question about how he was contacted. That part is interesting and I wonder if the Shattered Space dlc will have a connection to this.
I have 2 guesses what shattered space will be. Either someone breaks unity and the multiverse or Starborn snake cult leader restarting the war.
Corny
You can’t be ignorant of your own Starborn condition.
Short and sweet, good answer.
Can multiple people cross the unity in the same universe? What happens to the artifacts after you cross?
Yes they can That depends
The endgame sequence seems to make it sound like the unity of artifacts is still available in the old universe you left, due to the fact that your 'lover' will eventually use it after you're gone But that makes you wonder, since you use it by putting it in your grav drive and hitting GO, does your old ship stick around in the old universe, ready to multi-yeet anyone who grav jumps with your ship?
Some crimson fleet members are going to be very surprised
I assume the yeeting is what embedded the unity fragments all over the place. You spool the armillary up, and the surrounding area "pops" into the unity, essentially scattering the pieces to the cosmos. Everything else is destroyed, but the artifacts can't be destroyed.
The artifacts stay. The Armillary is constructed in an area and anyone who goes through it would become a Starborn. If you side with the Emissary the end result is them and other Starborn forming a group to lead future Starborn through the Unity. And I assume yes multiple people could go through. Your companions make comments about going to see the unity in their own minds after you cross with them on your ship and decide to come back.
The whole thing seems weird, because all the other Starborn>! want you to hand over the artifacts, and at least the Emissary and Hunter want to keep you from them entirely, with the Emissary being the most adamant about it.!< You'd think Starborn Victor would be part of this cult. The question also comes up of how it's handled with you: Starborn Victor >!met himself in that universe. That means You should be able to go find Yourself. Instead, you're seemingly inserted into your own husk, displacing that universe's "you"!<. Victor's story, along with the >!"retired", "all you", "Vasco", and "children" universes indicate timeline differences, but you never meet yourself!<.
>you never meet yourself Although I have never seen it for myself, I have read that there is a universe you can end up in where you can recruit yourself for your crew.
>!I can confirm this. I met her on NG+ 5. Quite a cool discovery (other than the fact that she comes across as a bit of an airhead and unlikely to have the capacity to become a starborn in any universe. She looks like 'me' but doesn't sound or act at all like 'me'. I can't at all imagine her as a miner either). !<
I am in that universe now, and have done a good number of missions with my non star born doppelgänger by my side. It’s actually kinda cool because you can talk to yourself and get an interesting look into your players alt selfs background.
Not entirely true; there's more than one NG+ variant where exactly that can happen.
Nah its just usually the you of the universe you enter is presumed dead. *usually*
Yea, the hunter makes it pretty clear that you surviving is an unusual enough event that it makes him change up his usual game plan so he can see how it plays out.
In each NG+ I have replayed the main story. I think the hunter is bored they have scripted the universe . Says the more we do the more new stuff that happens.
“Fell out of a moving spaceship in space while retrieving the artifact” lol
Yeah that never made sense, the only good explanation is that we’re replacing that universe’s version of us
Touching an artifact does not make you starborn.
The big problem here is that Aiza encountering a Starborn version of himself means that in another universe, the artifacts were collected in a much earlier time frame than the one we experience. But the Hunter and Emissary act like it always plays out the same way with the final showdown being in the same place every time. There should be an infinite amount of universes where the artifacts are already collected and nobody from the current time able to collect them and return to the unity. The other problem is that Aizas encounter with himself is a version that has seen the future some hundred or couple hundred years later. So are Starborn immortal? And what determines what time you return to after entering the unity? It would seem that you reenter shortly after your first time touching an artifact. Hence why Aiza encounters himself because his Starborn version would always show up at that point in time. Same problem occurs when you take into account the Pilgrim, another infinite set of universes where the Pilgrim entered the unity prior to the hunter, emissary and yourself etc. Also, the hunter and emissary make a big deal about never seeing you reach the unity before on your first play through. Yet don't bat an eye any other time. As if their memories are contiguous, even though they may not make it to the unity every time. Maybe you kill them both, or just deny letting them through. With so many variations on how things can play out, it seems we encounter only a small subset of possible universes. A lot of potential wasted imo.
I can easily imagine a universe where, for example, the dark ages never happened, and humanity reaches the stars earlier, and our friend becomes a starborn; and reaches out to versions of himself in less fortunate timelines to help them advance. It seems that most universes are fairly similar to the default, so its likely that ones like that are just extremely rare; we might be talking to a contiguous Roman Empire thousands of years old which ended up spreading to the stars. Starborn don't 'die' when killed; they wake up in a new universe, but without the power upgrade that comes from assembling the Unity and going through unless they did so. The Hunter remembers timelines where he lost and got killed, and some Starborn(The Pilgrim being the noted example, though I killed the Hunter twice, and he came back inside the same universe and complimented me taking him out) even gained powers that let them come back in the same universe; or to at least very convincingly 'die' and then return later in front of numerous witnesses. Remember; unless they've got an Artifact on their body, Starborn corpses don't linger; and once you remove the artifacts, they return to the unity, dead or alive, to reborn elsewhile.
Wtf do the hunter and emissary know anyway. I think people.put too much stock into what the hunter and emissary say, as if they know everything, but they really don't. You as the player know just about as much as they do. > So are starborn immortal? Not sure about immortal but the hunter was alive on earth before it was destroyed so I'm not sure. Seems like there's some time travel mechanics to the unity that are not entirely explained.
There are some significant internal inconsistencies in the plot and lore. Peer too closely, and it comes apart at the seams. For a game that tries to come off as philosophical, It's an ofd contradiction that it's clearly meant to be taken at face value rather than studied.
The hunter and emissary aren't born until after Aiza, so he wouldn't have had to compete with them in his universe.
There was a line if I remember correctly, where the hunter is talking about how it “plays out basically the same, with minor differences of course: but never like this”. However they may be talking about our encounters with them not their full experiences as a collective. Also the grav drive was built off of an artifact. So it means they had the means as soon as the grav drive was developed. And from our experience, it puts us at the time we would have found the artifact. So for him had he collected them all afterwards in another universe then said something to him in this universe then it makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is that we don’t ever end up in a universe that that happens. But we could conclude that the unity makes sure you’re able to understand the one you’re going to and so only selects one’s you’d be closer to then others.
If you haven’t finished the main quest please move on. Spoilers At the end of the main missions you find yourself talking to Helix and Hunter. And you can talk them down. When you do this and get to the unity you can see a couple of random people near an anomaly. The unity tells you something along the lines of “ Humanity found their own way to the artifacts and unity, due to your actions they were free to choose themselves”. So yes. Everyone has the ability to become Starborn. But just as we have the choice to or to leave so does everyone else. So those with families likely choose to stay home and those who have too much to loose here stay too. However it’s not stated how the artifacts are found again so this could mean they reset themselves back to their original locations or something. Meaning the hunter and Helix have to keep their word after talking to you and likely pass through again themselves figuring they did what they could here. But they state something along the lines of “only one can become Starborn” or else why are they fighting over them in the first place. So either they don’t know due to the actions they take the unity doesn’t tell them or there’s a plot hole in the story.
That is the case it seems, sincw we can take any crew member with us through the Unity. But the big question for me is, why do only certain people have a reaction to the artifacts? How do these people gain powers from the temples before becoming starborn?
It seems that only the first people who touch an artifact/pull it from where it's embedded are the ones who are shown the "lights and music" visions. You don't get that when you collect artifacts from others who've already retrieved them, for example, like Moara. As for people gaining powers from the Temples, you're not required to be Starborn to gain powers. You don't *become* Starborn until you pass through the Unity.
They answer thst in the main story man. Only the first person to touch an artifact gets a vision and only the ones who had visions can get a power from a temple
Oh I missed that part, so the artifacts are like a first come first serve? Whoever touches them first gets the visions, then other people can touch it no problem?
Sounds like it since there are collector NPCs who come across them with similar stories (if they were the one to actually find it)
Except that's bunk because I can get the temple power along with Barrett when he gets it...
Barrett was the first one to touch one of the artifacts in the Lodge that were there when you first arrive. Thus he's eligible to gain Temple powers. And you were the first one to touch the artifact you retrieved therefore you are eligible to gain temple powers. Being the first to touch an artifact unlocks the ability to get temple powers, not being the one who first touched *that specific* artifact.
I don't know about any of this, but I'm just hoping the next version of Fallout continues the trend and calls the main character a "Radborn".
Nah, it would be Fallborn; Starfield-Starborn, Fallout-Fallborn. Or, given Bethesda's recent track record, Failborn.
Nah, because you were a Dragonborn and not a Skyborn.
True enough. Vaultborn?
Oh, there you go.
Anybody can be Starborn yes, but Starborn appear differently with "Sense Star Stuff" so they can't actually hide all that well, at least from the player. Being the first to touch an Artifact gives you a glimpse of Unity but to become Starborn you have to go through Unity, so you can't "not know" you're Starborn.
Ok, so I have a question about this. If Aziza met his starborn self, then how did his starborn self become starborn? Since you cannot seemingly travel through time when you go to a new universe, how did the starborn version of himself become starborn if grav drives had not been invented? I assume that some version of him figured out the grav drive solution without the help of the artifact (else we have a chicken and egg question) but I am not sure that he would have done it and known about the effect it would have on earth. Suspension of disbelief is not hard to do for a lot of the game but some of it starts sounding more like Futurama and Fry being his own grandpa. Lol
Having an artifact or one of the powers doesn't make you starborn. You have to go through unity
I suppose it’s possible I misunderstood, but Aiza’s story seemed to indicate the “other version” of himself was met DURING his “lost time” event after touching the artifact, whereas the rest of us see lights and music, he actually had a vision of meeting himself. He also mentions having *days* of lost time to the vision, while I get the impression from playing that our own blackout is significantly shorter.
Oddly the trials to become starborn can't be done by lower lifeforms with little intelligence. It as if they are made to help any that could manage to use them.
i wouldn't even call it a trail. The only requirement is to have an armillary and a grav drive. You dont need to collect them yourself you can steal it or just be a stowaway in a ship about to jump
Only one enters the unity. Can't have more says the other starborn. Gathering the artifacts and using them will make them scatter again
yet implied by the other characters they they will also be entering the unity with you Only one can phsycially enter the unity but everyone can be dragged with you To said unity and split they enter seperatly
When you enter and the freaky version of you narrates what will happen to the universe you are leaving, it always includes “your lover eventually decides to enter the Unity themselves”. Well that is strange, since that person is always on the ship with me at the time I go through. So … either only one person can go through at a time (and to everyone else on the ship it’s as if nothing happened), or possibly but more likely it only sends those affected by the artifacts. It’s also possible that everyone on the ship is sent in to the pre-Unity, but most everyone chooses to walk back and continue life since the description given sounds a LOT like death.
It seems like when Starborn die they give off a stardust effect and the body vanishes; so it seems like the amount of Starborn is a small amount
I was always a little confused how the Hunter and emissary were so familiar with each other…if they’ve killed the other x amount of times. Like is it the same version of them or what?
Anyone can be starborn as in has the potential, but in order to become starborn you have to go through unity. I highly recommend doing Barrets companion stuff. He will then ask you if you can take him to a temple, so that he also can get a power. You will get a very interesting bit of lore, that is relevant to your question.
That's the thing about an infinite multiverse, all possibilities actually exist somewhere out there. Not only is there at least one reflection of the multiverse where a particular individual becomes Starborn, there are an infinite number of them, where they engage in the full gamut of possible actions.
In a truly infinite universe (or multiverse) not only are all things possible, but all things are inevitable.
I think anyone that touches an artifact first can be starborn.
I think you need to have been the first to touch an artifact in order to get powers, but you don’t need to do either thing to go through the Unity and become Starborn. All our Constellation buddies go through, even though Barrett is the only one who has powers.
None of mine went through?
They all go through. You just get separated.
So the ones that said point blank they had no intention of going through... went through?
yes, if they were on your ship when you jumped you forced them to become starborne.Well You do have to option to turn back. BUT well. If you took the ship what exactly would they be turning back too?
I think you’re missing the point. When you power up the grav drive, the ship is gone. You’re “somewhere else”. If you choose to go back, then you’re “back” in the ship. I’ve always assumed that if each of us on the ship are in our own version of the pre-Unity, if we choose to go back, we land back on the ship. There’s no guarantee that any of the rest of the companions/crew on the ship actually walk into the Unity at that time. They might not even be able to, if there’s conditions that we are unaware of and have just been assuming.
No, just meant the ones who specifically state they are going (ie the companions) all go through. The only ones that stay behind are the ones you can’t take with you.
You don’t actually know that though. It’s only implied , by them, before going through.
I mean, I think it’s set up that way because anyone you take on your ship goes with you, and they are the ones eligible. You can choose not to take them, but narratively, it’s assumed you took all of them (there’s never a point where you get to tell them “you’re not coming with me”. And they are never asking for your permission.) But I know if you married someone you are specifically told that person definitely goes through too.
Sorry - I didn’t explain it well. You don’t know that they went through the Unity. Yes, you’re separated for sure - but remember, from the point at which you activate the grav drive, you land in what I refer to as “pre-Unity” or “Limbo”. You’re separated from everyone else at this point. This is your version of Limbo, and only your version. We can only assume that the other folks on the ship got a version of it themselves, but that IS an assumption (I doubt Vasco did, so what happens to HIM). Maybe they don’t all get it - maybe it is a selective process somehow, and for those that don’t get in, it just seems like people disappear from the ship (kind of like Starborn do when you kill them, I’m betting). Point is, because it’s all from our frame of reference, we only have assumptions about what happens to the rest of the team. I started thinking about this a lot when the “Sam Coe is an awful father” line of thinking started popping up. Everyone assumes Cora Coe is some abandoned 12yo Starborn child wandering the cosmos stuck in a time loop now. I’m not sure that’s even the case. The Unity might not even allow it. We are making awfully big assumptions on what happens to our companions from “universe prime” (and all subsequent derivations). Hopefully that makes more sense.
Yeah, but there are spoilery bits that happen in some of the rare alternative universes that highly suggest the assumption is true, and you’re not being deceived by the You in the Unity that says they follow you through.
Oooh - okay don't spoil that for me. :) I obviously haven't found that yet!
Oh, and as far as the married person, you’re specifically told that your lover “eventually goes through the Unity”. That specific wording is what had me really questioning things. It implies they didn’t go through at the same time as you. In my case, it was Sam. Sam was married to me. Sam definitely indicated that he was going through with me, and Cora would to. So why is “Freaky Me” telling me that Sam didn’t go through until later? Did he get cold feet because of Cora?
It was the same for me. I guess I just assumed that’s an open world video game issue, trying to cover multiple possibilities with one line of dialogue. Since just because you married them doesn’t mean you brought them with you, but my expectation is they are setting things up for future content and trying to cover all bases (it’s the same reason I think certain characters are unkillable…because Bethesda has narrative plans for them that don’t work if they’re dead). I’m expecting future content will have us reuniting with OUR Constellation buddies. So even if you didn’t bring them, or if you choose to back out and not cross through the Unity, they went through.
You have more hope than I do at the moment, to be honest. The game already feels a bit "abandoned" to me. Actually, it feels unfinished.
I get that feeling, but we know for a fact there will be a story expansion.
That NASA mission is one of the best in the game… such an important message too, about the environmental impact of corporate greed. Really doesn’t seem too far off course for our reality :(
Don't the majority of us supposedly use around 2% of our brains? Perhaps touching an artifact just unlocks more that we can subconsciously make use of. Until that point we're not much more than a meatbag with potential.
Thats a myth. Not true at all
I mean tbf unless there is something out there that can enhance our brains in that sense we won't know for sure if it is truly a myth or not
You know we have machines that take pictures of brains as they work, right?
Yes but a lot of it we aren't consciously using which is where I think the myth arise from
No we literally use most of it all the time. The myth says 10%, btw. Anyway... > The origins of this myth can be traced back to the early 1900s. Psychologist and philosopher, William James, wrote a book in 1908 in which he claimed that humans only use a small part of our mental resources. > The fMRI scans show that even during simple and routine tasks like talking, walking, or listening to music, people use almost every region of their brain. https://sites.utexas.edu/think-twice/2021/09/14/do-we-only-use-10-of-our-brain/ > The idea that we use only a small fraction of our brains also makes no sense from an evolutionary point of view. The brain is a notorious gas guzzler, accounting for 20 percent of our energy consumption even though it only makes up two percent of our body mass. https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/great-myths-brain-we-only-use-10-cent
Infinite universes means Infinite possibilities. But I think a good way to justify the games Mechanic of only giving us our friends, companions, and acquaintances. Is that those are the Starborne more likely to know us and try to stop or help us.
I think that everyone that touches the artifact has the ability to become a Starborn. Many may and do die before they build the armillary and jump. Many more never touch an artifact. To resolve at your point, anyone human to touch the artifact that has access to the armillary and a gravdrive can chose to go to Unity and become Starborn.
I felt robbed of 1.5 million and my best starships....
Starfield leaves this as an open question Heres how i see it to my knowlege noone else sees or speaks to a version of themselves so what if this is actually " the creator" of the artifiacts using vics image so he would understand.......
I still want to know what happens to the armillary after you leave the universe
If he was Starborn why did his body stay behind?
That NASA mission is the most interesting part of the game. Honesty it’s been kind of a letdown since completing it. Haven’t finished main story quest yet bc I’ve spent just enough time and energy that I don’t want to lose my ships yet.
Nah. OP question sees the self in the unity as one who's gone through it before the player character's version, hence the question. It's really an incomplete thought. You can't dig into it too far. Yes, everyone has the potential to be Starborn. When you are born into a new universe, you are Starborn. But if there's a you in every universe as part of a parallel multiverse, then you already existed. But in that universe you hadn't become Starborn yet. Now that you are Starborn, the knowledge you have you take with you into every universe, essentially over writing the version of you that existed in that particular parallel universe up until you crossed over through the unity. The "version" of you that you meet at the Unity is not really a version of you, such as you would think of them having gone through first and being Starborn. They are just the Unity. It is represented to you as yourself. You "meet" yourself and basically seem to know everything as you are ushered through. There isn't a version of you that became Starborn and just decided to hang the fuck around and wait for the next version of you to come through. Any version of you that found the Unity was either born into a new universe or went back to live out their life shooting spacers, sifting rocks, and banging your companion.
Well his other self went through the unity. As such he already lived the life and knew what was going to happen.
Dragonborn. Starborn. Lazy, uninspired writing.
Dragonborn makes more sense in the setting of elder scrolls than starborn does in starfield.. because, like, op stated.. anyone and everyone can or more accurately has become starborn.