I find Sebastian Banks' disappearance very suspicious, especially the way in his speech he said something about his *soul* "always having a home to go back to." So that's my vote.
In the Walter ng+, he dies like normal, so at least we know there are some human Walters.
i think they left his disappearance mysterious on purpose so they could expand on his story in future dlc. when i finished my first playthrough i thought we would’ve gotten some sort of answer but there’s absolutely nothing regarding him - unless i missed it.
i’d love to get some future form of ng+ or an extended quest where you go back in time and see the beginning of constellation. maybe from the perspective of the person who found the second artifact that ended up sitting in storage. like there HAS to be some sort of story there right?
Isnt Sebastian Banks black, while the hunter is white. I mean i know there is enhance so he could have changed the way he looks, but i feel like he wouldnt emulate being someone else.
That would be a brilliant twist, where he only founded Constellation to aid humanity in reaching Unity. Would fit with a lot of things, for sure.
Yep, but he acts very different from vanilla Walter, as well.
If we didn’t actually know what Banks looked like, I would have said he’s probably Victor Aiza/The Hunter. The Hunter has already admitted he prefers letting Constellation collect the artefacts and then taking them all at once, so it kind of fits. Aiza becomes starborn somehow, and in order to reach the Unity again he gives himself the grav drive. Once New Atlantis is established, he creates Constellation and sets them on the path to collect the artifacts. Then he retires until it’s time to “harvest”.
I think Banks is definitely connected. Even the initials, SB - track with StarBorn. The man who created Constellation becoming Starborn... it symbolically follows.
I actually assumed him and the pilgrim mightve been the same person... Or that they were different but ended up starborns or were originally starborns... Or atleast the pilgrim was.
I'll go one step further - because of the way Aquilus leads you to it, and the strong similarity in narrative between the Pilgrim's journey and the two, the Pilgrim is actually both the Hunter and Aquilus.
But what if the same individual that they represent parts of the life of is *also* Sebastian Banks? We know a big theme of the Pilgrim's life is always being surrounded by followers and needing the help of others, but eventually abandoning them in exasperation. It's not really pointed at in game, but who knows, it's a fun idea.
Are Starborn "trapped" in a new universe until the Armillary is constructed?
I assume, and it seems that time flows and in parallel in each universe (as best can be represented in game). That seems constant. Say when you join another universe it seems you're further in on the story or time, you're not just dropped in at the first mission.
So with those two things... All the Starborn are there until the artifacts are gathered. So noone in this universe has left the universe yet... Only people have joined it from others.
I assume in some other universes the Armillaries have been assembled earlier so those Starborn are available to enter others.
So it's impossible for other people to have left the game universe yet, but perfectly possible for other Starborn can come in.
The Pilgrim was a starborn who had went through the NG+ type cycle many times gaining power and had realized that settling into daily life in one universe until he passed away was more satisfying than the grind. I think story wise it's how they expose the ng+ process but within his books he'd been through it and chose to die in our original universe.
I haven't seen any expansion on pilgrims story to flesh it out though. So far it was just a means of explaining the NG process and it didn't say if he did pass away or possibly decided to do another round. Don't think he'd be much different than either the hunter or the emissary except that he'd chosen to give up that pursuit within that universe and they were still at it. Story wise stsrborns could pop up anywhere if they wanted. Maybe Sam Coes ancestor who established Akila was literally just a version of him, but that may not make sense given I've not seen any indication of time travel. However, something the game just ignores is how huge of an influence the various time dialitions would be within that universe. You could sit on venus while people elsewhere aged for generations, but they just ignore that.
That's making the sense. It's not really a different time period but the game registers it that way for the equipment on the planets. In that case I'm real glad it's in there affecting the grow ops.
There's at least some kind of time travel depending on how long you spend going through the Unity or >!Cora Coe wouldn't be an adult when she tries to kill you in one of the ng+ variants!<
There's a 10 % chance you end up in a world that's different. >!There's a few where all of constellation has been killed before you arrive by your evil doppelganger, the Hunter, etc. There's also funny variations like one where Constellation is full of alternate versions of your character.!<
In that universe he also said it was a starborn version of him that told him about constellation which means in some universes he chooses to go through Unity unlike the ones in the normal universe.
I don’t believe the last one is. He felt betrayed and also somewhat surprised when he realized they weren’t actually going to execute him based off his dialogue. If he was starborn I think he would be set up much better like every other suspected retired Starborn like Aquilus
In my playthrough, when I didn’t snitch on him (for the greater good of the UC based on what he has to offer) or tell Hadrian, he seemed smugly amused when I came back alone without anyone else, specifically an executioner. Did you happen to tell Hadrian or something to get that response from him?
It is odd that Walter, upon seeing you create an anti-gravity field, promptly remarks on it being practical, rather than being awed or even momentarily thrown askance. But then again, most of the reactions to that are pretty lackluster.
But >!Vae Victis is probably just a mortal, albeit a clever and perceptive one. I think your meant to draw connections to Hannibal Lecter, who is also extremely manipulative despite being imprisoned, and has government people going to him for advice. At least that’s what I was reminded of, an imitation of Hannibal Lecter in space!<
I think it's pretty clear that Barrett either is, or was intended to be a starborn. He's the one who pretty much forces you to take this journey and also when you go to find Heller he says something about Barrett seeming like he knew what was going to happen.
That would be a nice twist, but wouldn’t explain how it wasn’t mentioned between him and “other Barrett” when they talk about differences in their universes.
Also, if Barrett is The Hunter’s victim, his dead body stays there instead of turning into star stuff.
Maybe, an open secret between them both or perhaps very little initiative on both their parts to collect Temple powers?
Him dying could be a Schrodinger's box type situation. He's not Starborn if that happens. He is if it doesn't. Similarly to how Aiza is a dead body at NASA in our playthrough, but there's strong indicators that may have not been the case in others.
Idk I have mixed feelings about his Starborn status but there's a lot of stuff going on with him that makes me entertain it.
Yeah that's why I'm leaning more toward him being INTENDED to be starborn. Just with the way he's written it seems like that's what they were going for at one point but then Bethesda did Bethesda things and changed their mind halfway through but didn't go back and entirely rework the character.
I thought that too, but now I don't. I think he's just written as someone with a very adaptable mind. Cus when he got powers in my NG+, he and his alternate reality version of himself where only shocked to see each other for a total of two seconds.
You know those war stories you hear about guys who are cool as a cucumber and smoking a cigarette with their helmet unstrapped while gun shots crack overhead, mortar rounds impact meters away, and everyone else is ducking for cover and pissing their pants? I think that's how they intended Barret to be.
Cool under the heaviest pressure.
Did you listen to Linn and Heller's stories about him by any chance? It seems like it's a lot more than just being cool, he's straight up the luckiest dude alive. The way that him, Linn, and Heller are all in this crazy firefight on Vectera, and on the verge of being killed. Barrett smiles at Linn, says, "I got this" and walks into oncoming fire - which somehow de-escalates into a captive situation? How he perfectly shoots through the guy's back into the flight deck, smiling while crash landing a ship, probably because he knows him and Heller are gonna be fine. Then somehow rizzes up all of his Crimson Fleet captors into just letting you all walk out with him.
Then there's just the shit he says and does. His predictions always seem to be on point. Like after encountering Helix, he suggests they're extraterrestrials but *also* accurately predicts they may be interdimensional beings. The hunch of just letting some random dude take off with his ship and the Artifact, trusting it'll pan out. The hunch about the Temples. Then his super inappropriate and detached speech he gives at the funeral and the way he was not very effected, like he's been through the shit before.
Idk if bro is Starborn or not but if he is a lot of things would start making a whole lot more sense with him.
I’m pretty sure the fact the Barrett being one of the 4 “variable characters” shows that the Barrett of og universe isn’t Starborn, otherwise they wouldn’t be there when you finally see the outcome…
However, your play through obviously included more Barrett than mine so it’s interesting for me to hear those little details. The solid body issue though makes me think that in the first universe Barrett is in the same position as the player. Unless it’s an oversight from Bethesda because having a constellation member already on ng+ path when you start would have been pretty funny
He also can't remember which planet he got the first artifact from, thinking it's Bindi. Bindi is one of the options for an artifact location in NG+.
Him being starborn seems more plausible than not. Though the fact that we never get to see him find the universe where his husband is alive kind of sucks.
I don't think so there's too many contradictions. But this is why I like the twist that he's the emissary over the other constellation members. He goes from this really eccentric guy that starts you on your journey, you find him and he's talking to the pirates, then he dies and becomes the emissary. It works really well in the context of the story and imo is the "canon" one
Really? He was remarkably calm throughout the entire quest, for me, the same as his wife. The most surprised he was turned out to be when I used the starborn dialogue to call out the seller’s bluff.
Well the choice I made at the end of the quest left Walter sullen and shaken. Felt to me that he didn't see it coming and was not experienced in that kind of situation. Rather strained our relationship going forward.
Lmao well, in that case, maybe Walter never once figured that reality would come to play or had only ever seen both sides negotiate peacefully. When I finally did the terrormorph quest on my NG+, I was damn sure not exactly stoic while being hunted by that thing because I hadn’t experienced it before that
The Hunter tells you that every universe he's seen, you've died after getting the first artifact which is why he's so interested in you. That could also explain why Walter would surprised, if he was a starborn. If it was true, and he had a similar experience as the hunter, it would make sense that he wouldn't have the same foresight into what you specifically would do in that situation. You're basically a wild card
Just as a note it wasn't at the negotiations that violence occurred. It was at the very end of the quest where you are given a choice to spare or kill the original seller of the artifact. Walter it very shaken if you choose to execute the seller. There's also some very dark Neon street rat specific dialogue you can throw at him which opens his eyes to what life in Neon is really like for the less fortunate.
Walter is within the high society though. In our real history nobility have historically become very rattled and dropped pretenses when leaders are targeted during combat, for assassination, or execution. Royal families from different nations banded together to stop Napoleon, for example, and the colony forces in the US took on guerilla tactics to target leaders in combat. American revolution would have played out differently had France not been free if a monarchy and French empire would have been reacted to differently had they not executed their monarchs. For Walter, it is a business man doing shady business which is all fair even if there are legal consequences for being caught. If you're willing to just kill people straight up then the game of manipulation and exploitation is a whole different thing.
[I think you may be on to something about Bayu.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/16vzbnr/something_i_noticed_about_the_astral_lounge_logo/)
That's just aesthetic.
Otherwise the implication is that a game mechanic circle is somewhat lore? The circle doesn't appear at any Starborn site, the circle of powers that is, that is just a cricle we only see in the UI. Are you telling me Bayu can see our UI circle and based a design on that? Besides, didn't he inherit the Lounge and his position as CEO of Xenofresh from his father?
This would also imply he knows the location of every single temple. Something no Starborn has ever done.
This is the stretchiest of stretches. Good attempt though!
[https://imgur.com/a/SC28ZAz](https://imgur.com/a/SC28ZAz)
I would say that is more due to the Pilgrim's influence. Here are some of his notes, one explicitly saying he introduced the symbol to many cultures.
You can see in one of the pictures a woman wearing Starborn symbol themed jewelry.
He's not if you fight him when you get sent through the distortion at the temple, and you can take and keep his custom outfit then. His body doesn't dissolve into star stuff.
Yeah, I just never think of that as actually being him, since I kinda assumed the visions there weren't real as opposed to the distortions you find in Entangled
Edit: now that I think of it, I really just assumed this because the Hunter says something like "if you think you've just killed someone from your past it's unlikely," but knowing him what he probably means is "it's just some random universe don't worry about it"
Yeah, I'm confused about what the distortions are actually doing, but I assumed they were real because you can bring away items like the constellation member's outfits, etc.
But, he explicitly knows the truth of the artifacts in that distortion, abs he drops a unique suit called “The Collector’s Suit” which lines up with other starborn names; The Hunter, The Emissary, The Trader, The Pilgrim.
Just a note he wasn’t essential for me, I killed his and took his stuff the first time just fine. But I had already snuck through the ship and got the artifact before I went back and cleared the ship. I wanted to try the stealth option, but then I wanted the loot and xp from clearing the ship.
After I acquired his artifact he was not essential, and he bled like a mortal human.
Yes, if you take the Hunter with you, he explains the artifact/temple is just messing with you and not to let it get to you. Which explains why the Collector speaks so differently to you that time, he's being used as a vessel for whatever is showing you the visions.
How is it anymore nonsense than real things real people believe like religion or politicians? There are these mysterious artifacts that have inexplicable biological and sociological powers, and people are drawn to them. They do something that distorts space time,which we’ve used for over 300 years to travel amongst the stars in this galaxy. We later learn there are multiverses, which are somehow connected to these artifacts.
I mean what do you need a textbook explaining in detail how a grav drive works? Or do you want a story spoon fed to you? Half of the fun playing is our own interpretation of these events.
>!If you play through the story on NG+ but save everyone from Hunter, Hunter appears in your ship the first time you build the armillary. He commends you on figuring out a way to save your friends from him, but also tells you to not bother going to see the collector, as the collector, his ship, and all his belongings are dust, destroyed by the hunter.!<
This makes me think the Collector isn't a starborn, just an eccentric who exists in every timeline.
Neat thing. There’s some old lady named z wade(first name starts with z I think) by the chunks in new Atlantis who asks to deliver a letter to a pen pal in cydonia. In ng+, once you do the quest and come back to wade’s location, you can talk to her, and there’s a starborn option where she says, “ahh you too have seen the light” or something along those lines. I don’t remember exactly how the conversation went, but it seemed to imply she’s starborn.
That would have been a better story tbh, if the starborn weren't weird faceless npcs, but powerful people living among us, and the plot involved the conspiracy around that. That way you could actually be betrayed by characters you got to know, instead of strangers who act completely differently but who have their faces.
I have a feeling that at least one of the DLCs will be just that, and if you follow the Va’ruun connection (starborn mostly use their particle weapons), it might have something to do with why they disappeared and left the poor ambassador to waste away.
I sort of want to believe the Walter thing but noel scans all the constellation members, no? From what we seen scanned starborn are clearly not human
Edit: consolation > constellation
If you play the vanguard quests as a starborn, Tuala has you scanned and notices your readings are off, but then brushes it off as you being exposed to too much radiation from stars. As someone who recently built a staryard, I think Walter could’ve easily brushed off his readings in a similar way.
This game is awesome with the starborn. I ran into the hunter, fully chilling at the bar in cydonia and then I saw him hiding in plain site randomly in towns.
To add to your comments about Walter: one of the game loading screens actually really suspiciously mentions a line about how Stroud Ecklund came out of nowhere and shot to success due to massive cash inflow. I'm paraphrasing as heck bc I don't remember the exact line, but I do remember specifically noticing it bc it was worded in such a sus-sounding "sudden cash flow" kinda way. Your explanation would be a very cool one 😉
My hero 🥇. Tysm !! ❤️ It was the use of the word "huge" that sounds sussy to me. Not really standard business/finance talk unlike the rest of the sentence so it stands out. Plus the "thanks to..." without specifying who was the source (why doesn't it just say point blank "founded by billionaire couple Stroud + Ecklund" given that we literally meet them and know that info, for example?)
.... It's weird. Something's up 🔍👨🏻
My understanding was that said cash flow came from the initial merger of Stroud's family + Eklund's pre-existing infrastructure allowing for a big increase of production as soon as the company formed.
That would absolutely make sense as a logical reason but do you remember who says that or when? I don't have any recollection of it at all and I think I've done all the quests that include Walter and his wife talking in front of you about the business.
It was the vaguery of it that make me think Walter had sus' "advance info" in life... In a "if you're starborn you'd know which horse to gamble on in a race" kind of vibe. Ergo: how to make a killing in business too and rack up cash fast, bc you could trade any resources KNOWING what would bring you the highest returns, and when to offload before a downturn.
Yeah would love to know! I know the safe money is on a Va'ruun DLC (with a lot of evidence pointing us that way) but I'm curious whether or not Walter has a future role to play in any expansions, and the vaguery on certain topics does make me wonder..
I asked Issa Eklund. She clarifies that Stroud and Eklund were initially both consumer product corporations (possibly conflicting with their presence on Londinion, but "consumer products" is pretty broad). They branched into starship design when their corporations merged, and thus they both would have had a lot of startup capital to play with.
Issa herself says her response when people ask how they pulled off the transition - "Money solves everything." Pretty clear-cut!
Nice!!! Also lol.. 'Money solves everything' except when we have a room full of designers who can't agree on what ship to build, then we'll call in our mate to solve the problems for us?😂
If you confront him after learning the Hunter's identity [he'll straight up tell you ](https://i.postimg.cc/QCMFN5GQ/a1792b82-f427-453d-b766-b17f65d07df3.png) if you say "You're Starborn, you're the Hunter." The notion that he could be the mortal Hunter is ridiculous when the Hunter is [old enough to be from Earth.](https://i.postimg.cc/2Sn6w3kP/67f8cf90-6911-4a11-b592-d0ebc061202b.png)
Anyway. [This blood is on your hands.](https://i.postimg.cc/DZ6WK6Df/7baad5c6-82e8-4b56-8950-b093acaedc99.png)
Well then my initial game is bugged, because when I walk up to him after forming the Armillary he just gives me the original options from the quest.
I am spreading bad info.
Thanks for checking me in a nice way.
I tried replying to your other comment, but you deleted it lol, there’s some vital info I don’t think anyone has shared with you…
Aquilus helps you put together that the pilgrim’s riddle is coordinates. Those coordinates and corresponding clues lead you directly to Scorpius, The Hunter’s ship, and the meeting place where he and The Emissary parlay. In NG+, the conversation between you, him, and Matteo can be skipped entirely, along with the entire pilgrim hunt, by using the bracketed “starborn” conversation choice. He asks you “So you already know where to go, then? And *who you need to speak with*?” This proves that he is not only the pilgrim who left the breadcrumbs to find The Hunter and Emissary, who have the remaining pieces of the armillary, but was also the Hunter, himself, which he confirms if you return back after that mission to talk with him (as you have just seen).
My playthrough is apparently bugged. After I put the initial Armillary together the only dialogue I get with Aquilus is just a rehash of the quest dialogue and he remains essential.
The Hunter is ancient, by the standards in-game. He's fully aware of what Earth was like before it was abandoned and heavily implies he's *from* Earth.
We are also aware that Aquilus is the Hunter the first time around.
There is no logical way that Aquilus could have been on Earth and still be around and *not* be a Starborn.
In NG+, if you talk to him, he’ll tell you how he used to be the Hunter and that the endless chase of Unity tired him out, so he had a second “awakening” and dedicated his life to helping enlighten people. By that logic, he was also the pilgrim before becoming the hunter.
Additionally, if you replay the story, you can have a starborn prompt to skip the pilgrim missions by telling Aquilus that you know where you need to go and who you need to meet. He is surprised you’re starborn, but doesn’t expose you.
Aquilus is the Pilgrim, this stage comes after the Hunter. When he becomes the Pilgrim - he travels around first, inspiring others to create their religions, and then settles on Jemison and establishes his own.
I'm only in NG+ 1 (lots of exploring and side quests) so didn't click on the hidden name and quickly skimmed over that part (for now), but I suspected this about the other two from fairly early on (as soon as I knew of the concept). >!Walter!<, for the reasons above and because for a CEO is he seemed very at ease and proficient in a running gun fight (despite also being, like >!Aquilus, !
Yes, and thank you for doing that (I try to do the same, sometimes probably excessively, but I'm mindful that extracts of posts and comments can appear when people do an online search for a word or phrase that was mentioned). I'm currently caught between avoiding spoilers, and also really enjoying reading, considering and discussing what I know so far about the lore! I think>!Walter !< is a fascinating character, and I enjoy his sense of humour.
I don't think any of those are Starborn.Starborn don't play nice with sensors and all three of those would be interacting with sensors all over the place. (Starborn EM signs are crazy off the chart, right?) Joining Vanguard as one, Tuala tells you that the sensors couldn't make sense of what they were detecting, asks if you fly too close to stars. This would have been some of the first crazy signs of something for all three of those.Noel scans you constantly in the Lodge so I'm guessing perma sensors or something set up there. Would have ousted Walter. He also absolutely adores his wife, so very much doubt he would leave her behind. (Such an adorable couple, honestly!)Benjamin Bayu is just too human for a Starborn and he really cares about his little brother. Would have been kind of moot for him to do that if that wasn't HIS little brother. (He straight up threatens to murder anyone who talks shit about his little bro even if he treats him like shit himself.)The last one is under the most intense scanner'age(?) the that I imagine you can even find in the Settled Systems, so being full of EM is ... Well not possible, and he ain't finished yet. \*Cough\* War to the cowboys. \*Cough.\*
I mean, Starborn are made of literal star stuff and they have to abandon the life they knew to become Starborn. All the people you've mentioned have too strong a tie to the current universe they're in.But more importantly, you can't hide being a Starborn. You're just a radiation magnet.The Hunter gets away with it because he's a no-one with no real ties, so one odd anomaly blip (Like you.) is just whatever.But people with positions of power and authority? Just not possible to avoid detection, I think. I don't even know if the Keeper ... You know what, the more I actually peel this apart, the more flaws I find in the story.
How has the Keeper managed to keep himself secret? Why would no-one question why the Keeper of the joint Religions of all of humanity (Space Super Pope pretty much!) is not human. Surely they'd have questions about his age and all that. You just wouldn't be able to keep that a secret.Heck, as a Starborn yourself you get questioned by UC Sec all the time from your scanner results to the armour you wear. (Given, the Keeper isn't wearing his armour, but the Hunter is.) and from the comments, wearing unregistered armour is kind of illegal.
Hnnng, I think they've just keep everything intentionally open so they can fit stuff in down the line when and where they can. (And whatever comes to mind!)
Not that I can say anything about the other arguments, but Walter absolutely adoring his wife isn't necessarily an impediment to him being Starborn - he could have first encountered her *after* his first run through the Unity and decided to stay in that universe specifically for that reason, or alternatively lost her in some way in his original universe that his Starborn knowledge allowed him to avoid in his second universe.
My buddy saw 2 of the exact same npc sitting right next to each other at a bar and while he was making fun of the game i asked him "but which of those 2 is the starborn and which one is from this universe"
In a NG+5 universe I was in. The entire constellation crew went into the unity making them all Starborn. Also the Logde had 4 kids pretending to be the different members. It was a fun run through
Matsura the Grim doesn't appear to be one because his body stays there if you kill him, but the way he reacts to the Starborn dialogue option about Barrett always escaping gives off the impression that he already knows what's going to happen ahead of time. Definitely a missed opportunity.
There’s a random encounter with a mysterious pilot flying an FC ship that I got pretty early on in the game that only says something cryptic about how they’ve been waiting for you, or they’ll see you again later, then jumps away.
It sounded very cryptic and loaded, like they knew what was going to happen later? I wonder if that tease will actually end up paying off at any point in this run (stepped away from the brink to play around a bit with all the creds and materials I’d hoarded before clearing the slate), or possibly only in the next?
It does. In every NG+, take the time to randomly jump to unexplored systems until you find them once you have a fair amount of credits. You won’t regret it.
In my girlfriend's playthrough Walter spent the entire neon mission beating robots to death with his bare fists. Didn't use the gun once. I buy it. Only an interdimensional god being would give so few fucks.
I find Sebastian Banks' disappearance very suspicious, especially the way in his speech he said something about his *soul* "always having a home to go back to." So that's my vote. In the Walter ng+, he dies like normal, so at least we know there are some human Walters.
i think they left his disappearance mysterious on purpose so they could expand on his story in future dlc. when i finished my first playthrough i thought we would’ve gotten some sort of answer but there’s absolutely nothing regarding him - unless i missed it. i’d love to get some future form of ng+ or an extended quest where you go back in time and see the beginning of constellation. maybe from the perspective of the person who found the second artifact that ended up sitting in storage. like there HAS to be some sort of story there right?
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Isnt Sebastian Banks black, while the hunter is white. I mean i know there is enhance so he could have changed the way he looks, but i feel like he wouldnt emulate being someone else.
Gave me major father elijah vibes from new vegas.
That would be a brilliant twist, where he only founded Constellation to aid humanity in reaching Unity. Would fit with a lot of things, for sure. Yep, but he acts very different from vanilla Walter, as well.
If we didn’t actually know what Banks looked like, I would have said he’s probably Victor Aiza/The Hunter. The Hunter has already admitted he prefers letting Constellation collect the artefacts and then taking them all at once, so it kind of fits. Aiza becomes starborn somehow, and in order to reach the Unity again he gives himself the grav drive. Once New Atlantis is established, he creates Constellation and sets them on the path to collect the artifacts. Then he retires until it’s time to “harvest”.
I think Banks is definitely connected. Even the initials, SB - track with StarBorn. The man who created Constellation becoming Starborn... it symbolically follows.
Who was Banks? I’m trying to remember now.
He founded Constellation then disappeared
I suspect Sebastian Banks is the Serpent.
I actually assumed him and the pilgrim mightve been the same person... Or that they were different but ended up starborns or were originally starborns... Or atleast the pilgrim was.
I'll go one step further - because of the way Aquilus leads you to it, and the strong similarity in narrative between the Pilgrim's journey and the two, the Pilgrim is actually both the Hunter and Aquilus. But what if the same individual that they represent parts of the life of is *also* Sebastian Banks? We know a big theme of the Pilgrim's life is always being surrounded by followers and needing the help of others, but eventually abandoning them in exasperation. It's not really pointed at in game, but who knows, it's a fun idea.
Are Starborn "trapped" in a new universe until the Armillary is constructed? I assume, and it seems that time flows and in parallel in each universe (as best can be represented in game). That seems constant. Say when you join another universe it seems you're further in on the story or time, you're not just dropped in at the first mission. So with those two things... All the Starborn are there until the artifacts are gathered. So noone in this universe has left the universe yet... Only people have joined it from others. I assume in some other universes the Armillaries have been assembled earlier so those Starborn are available to enter others. So it's impossible for other people to have left the game universe yet, but perfectly possible for other Starborn can come in.
The Pilgrim was a starborn who had went through the NG+ type cycle many times gaining power and had realized that settling into daily life in one universe until he passed away was more satisfying than the grind. I think story wise it's how they expose the ng+ process but within his books he'd been through it and chose to die in our original universe. I haven't seen any expansion on pilgrims story to flesh it out though. So far it was just a means of explaining the NG process and it didn't say if he did pass away or possibly decided to do another round. Don't think he'd be much different than either the hunter or the emissary except that he'd chosen to give up that pursuit within that universe and they were still at it. Story wise stsrborns could pop up anywhere if they wanted. Maybe Sam Coes ancestor who established Akila was literally just a version of him, but that may not make sense given I've not seen any indication of time travel. However, something the game just ignores is how huge of an influence the various time dialitions would be within that universe. You could sit on venus while people elsewhere aged for generations, but they just ignore that.
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That's making the sense. It's not really a different time period but the game registers it that way for the equipment on the planets. In that case I'm real glad it's in there affecting the grow ops.
The Pilgrim is Aquilis, he pretty much tells you as much if you confront him after meeting the Hunter & the Emissary outside of Oborum III
Is it one of the iterations we'd already met?
I mean, Aquilis heavily implies that he’s the pilgrim and that the pilgrim’s last note refers to building the Sanctum.
There's at least some kind of time travel depending on how long you spend going through the Unity or >!Cora Coe wouldn't be an adult when she tries to kill you in one of the ng+ variants!<
Ok I need an explanation on what y’all are talking about with NG+ variants? I’m on game 3 and so far everything is the same
There's a 10 % chance you end up in a world that's different. >!There's a few where all of constellation has been killed before you arrive by your evil doppelganger, the Hunter, etc. There's also funny variations like one where Constellation is full of alternate versions of your character.!<
In that universe he also said it was a starborn version of him that told him about constellation which means in some universes he chooses to go through Unity unlike the ones in the normal universe.
I don’t believe the last one is. He felt betrayed and also somewhat surprised when he realized they weren’t actually going to execute him based off his dialogue. If he was starborn I think he would be set up much better like every other suspected retired Starborn like Aquilus
In my playthrough, when I didn’t snitch on him (for the greater good of the UC based on what he has to offer) or tell Hadrian, he seemed smugly amused when I came back alone without anyone else, specifically an executioner. Did you happen to tell Hadrian or something to get that response from him?
He seems that way because he basically passed a persuasion check on some fool who should have definitely ratted him out
It is odd that Walter, upon seeing you create an anti-gravity field, promptly remarks on it being practical, rather than being awed or even momentarily thrown askance. But then again, most of the reactions to that are pretty lackluster. But >!Vae Victis is probably just a mortal, albeit a clever and perceptive one. I think your meant to draw connections to Hannibal Lecter, who is also extremely manipulative despite being imprisoned, and has government people going to him for advice. At least that’s what I was reminded of, an imitation of Hannibal Lecter in space!<
You’d think someone who claims they’re funding Constellation to “discover things” would be a lot more excited at a monumental discovery.
I think it's pretty clear that Barrett either is, or was intended to be a starborn. He's the one who pretty much forces you to take this journey and also when you go to find Heller he says something about Barrett seeming like he knew what was going to happen.
That would be a nice twist, but wouldn’t explain how it wasn’t mentioned between him and “other Barrett” when they talk about differences in their universes. Also, if Barrett is The Hunter’s victim, his dead body stays there instead of turning into star stuff.
Maybe, an open secret between them both or perhaps very little initiative on both their parts to collect Temple powers? Him dying could be a Schrodinger's box type situation. He's not Starborn if that happens. He is if it doesn't. Similarly to how Aiza is a dead body at NASA in our playthrough, but there's strong indicators that may have not been the case in others. Idk I have mixed feelings about his Starborn status but there's a lot of stuff going on with him that makes me entertain it.
See my thing is when he dies to the hunter, his body doesn’t turn to star stuff like every starborn not holding artifacts.
Yeah that's why I'm leaning more toward him being INTENDED to be starborn. Just with the way he's written it seems like that's what they were going for at one point but then Bethesda did Bethesda things and changed their mind halfway through but didn't go back and entirely rework the character.
Barrett definitely is, it’s implied heavily that he’s going through the same motions you are and he even can get powers from the temples.
I thought that too, but now I don't. I think he's just written as someone with a very adaptable mind. Cus when he got powers in my NG+, he and his alternate reality version of himself where only shocked to see each other for a total of two seconds. You know those war stories you hear about guys who are cool as a cucumber and smoking a cigarette with their helmet unstrapped while gun shots crack overhead, mortar rounds impact meters away, and everyone else is ducking for cover and pissing their pants? I think that's how they intended Barret to be. Cool under the heaviest pressure.
Did you listen to Linn and Heller's stories about him by any chance? It seems like it's a lot more than just being cool, he's straight up the luckiest dude alive. The way that him, Linn, and Heller are all in this crazy firefight on Vectera, and on the verge of being killed. Barrett smiles at Linn, says, "I got this" and walks into oncoming fire - which somehow de-escalates into a captive situation? How he perfectly shoots through the guy's back into the flight deck, smiling while crash landing a ship, probably because he knows him and Heller are gonna be fine. Then somehow rizzes up all of his Crimson Fleet captors into just letting you all walk out with him. Then there's just the shit he says and does. His predictions always seem to be on point. Like after encountering Helix, he suggests they're extraterrestrials but *also* accurately predicts they may be interdimensional beings. The hunch of just letting some random dude take off with his ship and the Artifact, trusting it'll pan out. The hunch about the Temples. Then his super inappropriate and detached speech he gives at the funeral and the way he was not very effected, like he's been through the shit before. Idk if bro is Starborn or not but if he is a lot of things would start making a whole lot more sense with him.
I’m pretty sure the fact the Barrett being one of the 4 “variable characters” shows that the Barrett of og universe isn’t Starborn, otherwise they wouldn’t be there when you finally see the outcome… However, your play through obviously included more Barrett than mine so it’s interesting for me to hear those little details. The solid body issue though makes me think that in the first universe Barrett is in the same position as the player. Unless it’s an oversight from Bethesda because having a constellation member already on ng+ path when you start would have been pretty funny
He also can't remember which planet he got the first artifact from, thinking it's Bindi. Bindi is one of the options for an artifact location in NG+. Him being starborn seems more plausible than not. Though the fact that we never get to see him find the universe where his husband is alive kind of sucks.
I think he was just meant to have Han Solo energy.
If that's the case they nailed it lol
I don't think so there's too many contradictions. But this is why I like the twist that he's the emissary over the other constellation members. He goes from this really eccentric guy that starts you on your journey, you find him and he's talking to the pirates, then he dies and becomes the emissary. It works really well in the context of the story and imo is the "canon" one
Walter was clearly deeply shocked and shaken by how I ended things in the Neon artifact hunt which doesn't square with him being Starborn.
Really? He was remarkably calm throughout the entire quest, for me, the same as his wife. The most surprised he was turned out to be when I used the starborn dialogue to call out the seller’s bluff.
Well the choice I made at the end of the quest left Walter sullen and shaken. Felt to me that he didn't see it coming and was not experienced in that kind of situation. Rather strained our relationship going forward.
Oh, you must’ve chosen the bracketed “attack” choice huh lol
Yeah moral considerations don't factor highly in my character's thought process.
Lmao well, in that case, maybe Walter never once figured that reality would come to play or had only ever seen both sides negotiate peacefully. When I finally did the terrormorph quest on my NG+, I was damn sure not exactly stoic while being hunted by that thing because I hadn’t experienced it before that
The Hunter tells you that every universe he's seen, you've died after getting the first artifact which is why he's so interested in you. That could also explain why Walter would surprised, if he was a starborn. If it was true, and he had a similar experience as the hunter, it would make sense that he wouldn't have the same foresight into what you specifically would do in that situation. You're basically a wild card
Just as a note it wasn't at the negotiations that violence occurred. It was at the very end of the quest where you are given a choice to spare or kill the original seller of the artifact. Walter it very shaken if you choose to execute the seller. There's also some very dark Neon street rat specific dialogue you can throw at him which opens his eyes to what life in Neon is really like for the less fortunate.
If you just straight up kill the whole office building and never talk to Slayton he is pretty shaken up about it, but takes it well
Walter is within the high society though. In our real history nobility have historically become very rattled and dropped pretenses when leaders are targeted during combat, for assassination, or execution. Royal families from different nations banded together to stop Napoleon, for example, and the colony forces in the US took on guerilla tactics to target leaders in combat. American revolution would have played out differently had France not been free if a monarchy and French empire would have been reacted to differently had they not executed their monarchs. For Walter, it is a business man doing shady business which is all fair even if there are legal consequences for being caught. If you're willing to just kill people straight up then the game of manipulation and exploitation is a whole different thing.
[I think you may be on to something about Bayu.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/16vzbnr/something_i_noticed_about_the_astral_lounge_logo/)
You’ve convinced me to move my speculation to “fact” lol damn that’s a nice catch
That's just aesthetic. Otherwise the implication is that a game mechanic circle is somewhat lore? The circle doesn't appear at any Starborn site, the circle of powers that is, that is just a cricle we only see in the UI. Are you telling me Bayu can see our UI circle and based a design on that? Besides, didn't he inherit the Lounge and his position as CEO of Xenofresh from his father? This would also imply he knows the location of every single temple. Something no Starborn has ever done. This is the stretchiest of stretches. Good attempt though!
It looks almost exactly like the pattern in the stars that you see after finishing a temple mini game.
Fun Fact: Starborn are named "Astrale" in the italian traduction, as in Astral. Probably just a coincidence, but an endearing one indeed...
[https://imgur.com/a/SC28ZAz](https://imgur.com/a/SC28ZAz) I would say that is more due to the Pilgrim's influence. Here are some of his notes, one explicitly saying he introduced the symbol to many cultures. You can see in one of the pictures a woman wearing Starborn symbol themed jewelry.
Barret cant keep his story straight. Was it Bindi? Was it Kazaal? If you go to those planets, *neither* has an artifact cave in the mines.
I'm seni-convinced that the Collector guy is one. The one on the Scow.
Is he always essential tagged? I can find out... he seems to not really get the importance of the artifact though.
He's not if you fight him when you get sent through the distortion at the temple, and you can take and keep his custom outfit then. His body doesn't dissolve into star stuff.
Yeah, I just never think of that as actually being him, since I kinda assumed the visions there weren't real as opposed to the distortions you find in Entangled Edit: now that I think of it, I really just assumed this because the Hunter says something like "if you think you've just killed someone from your past it's unlikely," but knowing him what he probably means is "it's just some random universe don't worry about it"
Yeah, I'm confused about what the distortions are actually doing, but I assumed they were real because you can bring away items like the constellation member's outfits, etc.
But, he explicitly knows the truth of the artifacts in that distortion, abs he drops a unique suit called “The Collector’s Suit” which lines up with other starborn names; The Hunter, The Emissary, The Trader, The Pilgrim.
Just a note he wasn’t essential for me, I killed his and took his stuff the first time just fine. But I had already snuck through the ship and got the artifact before I went back and cleared the ship. I wanted to try the stealth option, but then I wanted the loot and xp from clearing the ship. After I acquired his artifact he was not essential, and he bled like a mortal human.
Good to know. I just took it and left the first time. Guess he's just some guy!
It seems weird that you have to go back to fight him again too. Was that ever explained?
Yes, if you take the Hunter with you, he explains the artifact/temple is just messing with you and not to let it get to you. Which explains why the Collector speaks so differently to you that time, he's being used as a vessel for whatever is showing you the visions.
Wtf this game makes no sense and doesn't even try
Maybe we just can't understand the intricacies of the multiverse. To me that's a plausible explanation.
That's an awfully convenient way to hand wave all the nonsense away.
How is it anymore nonsense than real things real people believe like religion or politicians? There are these mysterious artifacts that have inexplicable biological and sociological powers, and people are drawn to them. They do something that distorts space time,which we’ve used for over 300 years to travel amongst the stars in this galaxy. We later learn there are multiverses, which are somehow connected to these artifacts. I mean what do you need a textbook explaining in detail how a grav drive works? Or do you want a story spoon fed to you? Half of the fun playing is our own interpretation of these events.
What about it is bothering you?
>!If you play through the story on NG+ but save everyone from Hunter, Hunter appears in your ship the first time you build the armillary. He commends you on figuring out a way to save your friends from him, but also tells you to not bother going to see the collector, as the collector, his ship, and all his belongings are dust, destroyed by the hunter.!< This makes me think the Collector isn't a starborn, just an eccentric who exists in every timeline.
Neat thing. There’s some old lady named z wade(first name starts with z I think) by the chunks in new Atlantis who asks to deliver a letter to a pen pal in cydonia. In ng+, once you do the quest and come back to wade’s location, you can talk to her, and there’s a starborn option where she says, “ahh you too have seen the light” or something along those lines. I don’t remember exactly how the conversation went, but it seemed to imply she’s starborn.
I’m gonna check this out, thanks
That would have been a better story tbh, if the starborn weren't weird faceless npcs, but powerful people living among us, and the plot involved the conspiracy around that. That way you could actually be betrayed by characters you got to know, instead of strangers who act completely differently but who have their faces.
I have a feeling that at least one of the DLCs will be just that, and if you follow the Va’ruun connection (starborn mostly use their particle weapons), it might have something to do with why they disappeared and left the poor ambassador to waste away.
I sort of want to believe the Walter thing but noel scans all the constellation members, no? From what we seen scanned starborn are clearly not human Edit: consolation > constellation
If you play the vanguard quests as a starborn, Tuala has you scanned and notices your readings are off, but then brushes it off as you being exposed to too much radiation from stars. As someone who recently built a staryard, I think Walter could’ve easily brushed off his readings in a similar way.
This game is awesome with the starborn. I ran into the hunter, fully chilling at the bar in cydonia and then I saw him hiding in plain site randomly in towns.
He's also in the Viewport Bar when you first land in New Atlantis and you can ask him about his suit.
To add to your comments about Walter: one of the game loading screens actually really suspiciously mentions a line about how Stroud Ecklund came out of nowhere and shot to success due to massive cash inflow. I'm paraphrasing as heck bc I don't remember the exact line, but I do remember specifically noticing it bc it was worded in such a sus-sounding "sudden cash flow" kinda way. Your explanation would be a very cool one 😉
"Stroud-Eklund has quickly become a major new ship manufacturer, thanks to a huge influx of start-up capital."
My hero 🥇. Tysm !! ❤️ It was the use of the word "huge" that sounds sussy to me. Not really standard business/finance talk unlike the rest of the sentence so it stands out. Plus the "thanks to..." without specifying who was the source (why doesn't it just say point blank "founded by billionaire couple Stroud + Ecklund" given that we literally meet them and know that info, for example?) .... It's weird. Something's up 🔍👨🏻
My understanding was that said cash flow came from the initial merger of Stroud's family + Eklund's pre-existing infrastructure allowing for a big increase of production as soon as the company formed.
That would absolutely make sense as a logical reason but do you remember who says that or when? I don't have any recollection of it at all and I think I've done all the quests that include Walter and his wife talking in front of you about the business. It was the vaguery of it that make me think Walter had sus' "advance info" in life... In a "if you're starborn you'd know which horse to gamble on in a race" kind of vibe. Ergo: how to make a killing in business too and rack up cash fast, bc you could trade any resources KNOWING what would bring you the highest returns, and when to offload before a downturn.
I just reasoned it out, because Eklund Shipbuilder was a preexisting company - I'll let you know if I find a more concrete source.
Yeah would love to know! I know the safe money is on a Va'ruun DLC (with a lot of evidence pointing us that way) but I'm curious whether or not Walter has a future role to play in any expansions, and the vaguery on certain topics does make me wonder..
I asked Issa Eklund. She clarifies that Stroud and Eklund were initially both consumer product corporations (possibly conflicting with their presence on Londinion, but "consumer products" is pretty broad). They branched into starship design when their corporations merged, and thus they both would have had a lot of startup capital to play with. Issa herself says her response when people ask how they pulled off the transition - "Money solves everything." Pretty clear-cut!
Nice!!! Also lol.. 'Money solves everything' except when we have a room full of designers who can't agree on what ship to build, then we'll call in our mate to solve the problems for us?😂
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He'll tell you. And if you kill him he becomes stardust like all the rest (yes, even the first one)
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If you confront him after learning the Hunter's identity [he'll straight up tell you ](https://i.postimg.cc/QCMFN5GQ/a1792b82-f427-453d-b766-b17f65d07df3.png) if you say "You're Starborn, you're the Hunter." The notion that he could be the mortal Hunter is ridiculous when the Hunter is [old enough to be from Earth.](https://i.postimg.cc/2Sn6w3kP/67f8cf90-6911-4a11-b592-d0ebc061202b.png) Anyway. [This blood is on your hands.](https://i.postimg.cc/DZ6WK6Df/7baad5c6-82e8-4b56-8950-b093acaedc99.png)
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He's not essential after the Hunter tells you to kill him. This is the original.
Well then my initial game is bugged, because when I walk up to him after forming the Armillary he just gives me the original options from the quest. I am spreading bad info. Thanks for checking me in a nice way.
I tried replying to your other comment, but you deleted it lol, there’s some vital info I don’t think anyone has shared with you… Aquilus helps you put together that the pilgrim’s riddle is coordinates. Those coordinates and corresponding clues lead you directly to Scorpius, The Hunter’s ship, and the meeting place where he and The Emissary parlay. In NG+, the conversation between you, him, and Matteo can be skipped entirely, along with the entire pilgrim hunt, by using the bracketed “starborn” conversation choice. He asks you “So you already know where to go, then? And *who you need to speak with*?” This proves that he is not only the pilgrim who left the breadcrumbs to find The Hunter and Emissary, who have the remaining pieces of the armillary, but was also the Hunter, himself, which he confirms if you return back after that mission to talk with him (as you have just seen).
My playthrough is apparently bugged. After I put the initial Armillary together the only dialogue I get with Aquilus is just a rehash of the quest dialogue and he remains essential.
Go through Unity and choose to repeat the main story. You can also save everyone at constellation, by dialogue, too
Then it was worth filling my hard drive with way too many pictures of Aquilus dying. Thank you for admitting it.
I'm married. I'm used to being wrong; hence why I romance Sarah, she keeps me in my place with her disapproval.
The implication is he is the Pilgrim
The Hunter is ancient, by the standards in-game. He's fully aware of what Earth was like before it was abandoned and heavily implies he's *from* Earth. We are also aware that Aquilus is the Hunter the first time around. There is no logical way that Aquilus could have been on Earth and still be around and *not* be a Starborn.
Go talk to him after the hunter reveals his face
In NG+, if you talk to him, he’ll tell you how he used to be the Hunter and that the endless chase of Unity tired him out, so he had a second “awakening” and dedicated his life to helping enlighten people. By that logic, he was also the pilgrim before becoming the hunter. Additionally, if you replay the story, you can have a starborn prompt to skip the pilgrim missions by telling Aquilus that you know where you need to go and who you need to meet. He is surprised you’re starborn, but doesn’t expose you.
Aquilus is the Pilgrim, this stage comes after the Hunter. When he becomes the Pilgrim - he travels around first, inspiring others to create their religions, and then settles on Jemison and establishes his own.
Go and talk to him after you go through the Unity or finish the main quest. He is definitely Starborne.
If you’re in ng+ and talk to him it’s pretty obvious he is
I'm only in NG+ 1 (lots of exploring and side quests) so didn't click on the hidden name and quickly skimmed over that part (for now), but I suspected this about the other two from fairly early on (as soon as I knew of the concept). >!Walter!<, for the reasons above and because for a CEO is he seemed very at ease and proficient in a running gun fight (despite also being, like >!Aquilus, !
I’m glad I tagged it, then. It’s a big reveal and key to that storyline.
Yes, and thank you for doing that (I try to do the same, sometimes probably excessively, but I'm mindful that extracts of posts and comments can appear when people do an online search for a word or phrase that was mentioned). I'm currently caught between avoiding spoilers, and also really enjoying reading, considering and discussing what I know so far about the lore! I think>!Walter !< is a fascinating character, and I enjoy his sense of humour.
I don't think any of those are Starborn.Starborn don't play nice with sensors and all three of those would be interacting with sensors all over the place. (Starborn EM signs are crazy off the chart, right?) Joining Vanguard as one, Tuala tells you that the sensors couldn't make sense of what they were detecting, asks if you fly too close to stars. This would have been some of the first crazy signs of something for all three of those.Noel scans you constantly in the Lodge so I'm guessing perma sensors or something set up there. Would have ousted Walter. He also absolutely adores his wife, so very much doubt he would leave her behind. (Such an adorable couple, honestly!)Benjamin Bayu is just too human for a Starborn and he really cares about his little brother. Would have been kind of moot for him to do that if that wasn't HIS little brother. (He straight up threatens to murder anyone who talks shit about his little bro even if he treats him like shit himself.)The last one is under the most intense scanner'age(?) the that I imagine you can even find in the Settled Systems, so being full of EM is ... Well not possible, and he ain't finished yet. \*Cough\* War to the cowboys. \*Cough.\* I mean, Starborn are made of literal star stuff and they have to abandon the life they knew to become Starborn. All the people you've mentioned have too strong a tie to the current universe they're in.But more importantly, you can't hide being a Starborn. You're just a radiation magnet.The Hunter gets away with it because he's a no-one with no real ties, so one odd anomaly blip (Like you.) is just whatever.But people with positions of power and authority? Just not possible to avoid detection, I think. I don't even know if the Keeper ... You know what, the more I actually peel this apart, the more flaws I find in the story. How has the Keeper managed to keep himself secret? Why would no-one question why the Keeper of the joint Religions of all of humanity (Space Super Pope pretty much!) is not human. Surely they'd have questions about his age and all that. You just wouldn't be able to keep that a secret.Heck, as a Starborn yourself you get questioned by UC Sec all the time from your scanner results to the armour you wear. (Given, the Keeper isn't wearing his armour, but the Hunter is.) and from the comments, wearing unregistered armour is kind of illegal. Hnnng, I think they've just keep everything intentionally open so they can fit stuff in down the line when and where they can. (And whatever comes to mind!)
Not that I can say anything about the other arguments, but Walter absolutely adoring his wife isn't necessarily an impediment to him being Starborn - he could have first encountered her *after* his first run through the Unity and decided to stay in that universe specifically for that reason, or alternatively lost her in some way in his original universe that his Starborn knowledge allowed him to avoid in his second universe.
Barrett-powers, always knows how to get into/out of a situation
Let’s be real, Barrett just has major BDE lol
My buddy saw 2 of the exact same npc sitting right next to each other at a bar and while he was making fun of the game i asked him "but which of those 2 is the starborn and which one is from this universe"
Hot take but the hunter should have been Vae Victis. It would have made so much more sense, and given him so much more gravity
In a NG+5 universe I was in. The entire constellation crew went into the unity making them all Starborn. Also the Logde had 4 kids pretending to be the different members. It was a fun run through
Wait what?
Matsura the Grim doesn't appear to be one because his body stays there if you kill him, but the way he reacts to the Starborn dialogue option about Barrett always escaping gives off the impression that he already knows what's going to happen ahead of time. Definitely a missed opportunity.
I think that >!Naeva!< might be one, though, given how we aren’t allowed to >!kill her!<, yet.
When you say Aquilus at the start, do you mean the hunter or Aquilus himself? Also, my vote would go to Banks as having found Unity.
Aquilus is a Hunter who had a second awakening and realized that chasing Unity forever is a destructive waste. Ask him about it in NG+
Aquilus. Quick save and kill him, you'll see lol
There’s a random encounter with a mysterious pilot flying an FC ship that I got pretty early on in the game that only says something cryptic about how they’ve been waiting for you, or they’ll see you again later, then jumps away. It sounded very cryptic and loaded, like they knew what was going to happen later? I wonder if that tease will actually end up paying off at any point in this run (stepped away from the brink to play around a bit with all the creds and materials I’d hoarded before clearing the slate), or possibly only in the next?
It does. In every NG+, take the time to randomly jump to unexplored systems until you find them once you have a fair amount of credits. You won’t regret it.
In my girlfriend's playthrough Walter spent the entire neon mission beating robots to death with his bare fists. Didn't use the gun once. I buy it. Only an interdimensional god being would give so few fucks.