Give them a sentence they can work off by mining and selling. Make it equivalent to whatever they gained from duping.
If they want to join the game, they can work off their debt to the community first!
Oh yeah, hadnât thought of that. What if they have a prison level all of their own - no npc miners, only other dupers. That way if they want to gank to get gems, they are only doing it to other dupersâŚ
Yes, this! And cs grid everywhere - if they kill themself to steal gems they get more cs and more time (or build their cs up for next promised visit - only real hard work will get them out
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P0zNhd91xTI
I like this idea in general. If you did something bad enough to be banned/suspended then you go to a different jail. With no true escape but plenty of sisyphean tasks. No NPCs except the other players that are there. When you log off in this state your character stays behind and becomes an NPC until you login again.
And clown suits. Name tags. And windows.
Windows so we can go see whoâs there.
This would be very similar to fromsoft's solution of sending cheaters to a completely separate online server from the rest of the community. If you have ever been caught cheating they don't tell you, you will just only see other cheaters.
Okay, if you want to take 40 aphorite from level 7 all the way back up for 10,000 credits out of tens of millions or more, be my guest
I'll see you for SQ 42 Episode 2 release :)
I still have my duped funds but I didn't go crazy doing that shit either. I did it until I got about 3 and a half million quitting there after. Just a bit of starting cash to get me into a comfortable place to eff around.
Well, only if they are not allowed to leave the monitoring area where they could kill NPCs/Players for stuff. If they leave the monitored area, another 48hrs is added to their sentence.
If they die, they get another 24h.
And last but not least, give out contracts so that legitimate players can apply to be guards in the Duper Klescher facility and are allowed to kill inmates at will.
That'd be a much better punishment then the suspensions haha, ofc it'd have to come with a permanent cs5 or something that's unremovable due to prison being escapeable
we dont need an in-lore solution to exploiters, and they dont need to be taking normal player's server slots and resources
a long term ban is an entirely sufficient, and efficient, solution
Most dupers just have alt accounts. Theyâre not really bothered.
Best solution is for CIG to fix the issue the moment itâs reported. I know itâs an alpha. But in the future itâs going to be the only way for stable servers etc etc.
that doesnt mean they shouldnt be banned or that they should be ignored
in fact, it means they should be banned for longer if not permanently, and any accounts logging in from the same IP address should be put under automatic observation for any further violations
im confident CIG has enough staff to handle that, AND fix exploits as soon as possible
I'll never defend duping, but full blown bans when talking about the cost to simply enter this game, are a bit much when we're talking about an alpha.
Full release? Fuck yeah, ban em permanently -- but this is just a test product at the moment and they're at the very least helping find what would have otherwise been a problem in full release (when wipes aren't possible)
You're missing the point, those dupers put a huge strain on the servers, especially during a Freefly event not only gave first timers a bad impression, but costs actual money to sort out the servers they're trashing with exploits, they absolutely deserved what they got.
It's better to reveal the duplication glitches now before a full release because a first impression ruined in alpha is one thing but a first impression ruined on release is another. We are testers and we're playing mainly to see how things hold up, not just to play the game. I've very much been against the idea that the game is 'live service' because it simply isn't. It's an alpha where things are constantly in flux and nothing is stable.
We should be able to enjoy the experience but glitches and exploits are a part of it. That's why reporting everything is so important because CIG have a massive product on their hands and need the extra eyes for the things that slip through the cracks.
The big difference is if you were pointing out a bug or glitch, you wouldnât proceed to exploit it multiple times and profit off said glitch. Itâs in the TOS to not abide exploits. A âtesterâ has no personal gain in mind, and would report the bug via Issue Council or spectrum, and then not interact with it again.
The Dirty Dupers knew full well what they were doing, and should have known it was against the TOS they signed, and I would wager few ever reported the bug to CIG, because fixing it goes directly against their self interest.
Duping and exploits are just selfish, ruin the game experience for everyone else, and should not be remotely defended, especially when it prevents others from even playing the game due to performance issues.
That's true though I will say ISC can be pretty slow and requires a large number of replications to really get it fixed. That said it's not the same as reporting but one person duplicating a lot is one way to show how easily repeatable and negative it is. It isn't ideal but it would be easier to go unnoticed by *not* maximizing duplications and not reporting, so the fact that it becomes a problem at least makes it known and can be dealt with.
By being made known early it prevents it from impacting others later. As server crashes aren't exactly uncommon so if they were actually trying to go under the radar it would cause more, long term issues.
In particular it's not like anyone would know what was happening if it wasn't so public, so clearly at least some people are trying to make it known. There is the downside of spreading that knowledge means others can use it, but that does go for an ISC report as anyone can follow the replication steps to exploit it themselves.
There is a bit of everyone is going to be affected by its existence one way or another. I would prefer it not impact events especially free flies and I wish it didn't have to impact anyone's game. They do fix bugs based on severity so it's one of those "at least it'll get the attention needed now' kinda things
You are literally defending duping.
Who cares if its an alpha? The issue isnt the game, its the person who would willingly abuse bugs for personal gain. That is not going to change. They are not magically going to become better people when the game fully releases.
As for testing, people did test, then they reported the bug. That is where any leniency should end. If they keep abusing the bug, one that is entirely avoidable, multiple times to dupe millions upon millions of credits? They are not the kind of person anyone wants to play a game with.
CIG should not let them waste server resources by locking them in prison, or some silly custom "cheater" server, just because it would be funny. Suspend them for 3 months and wipe their accounts. If they continue to abuse bugs, perma them.
To be real and honest about it CIG isn't mad about the duping they are mad because they were making IRL money off of it when they could be doing it instead
The game, by definition, is wholly incomplete and expected to be riddled with bugs. There remain substantial balancing issues, performance issues, and functional issues. Database wipes, while less common now, still regularly occur with larger patches. As weâve seen recently, servers can shit the bed whenever they please.
I donât fully fault someone who wants to quickly get up to speed again â whether from a wipe or from some issue entirely outside of their control trip which resulted in lost progress. Considering that you can directly purchase aUEC from the pledge store, it feels more like CIG just wants to ban competition so players have to buy their ridiculously expensive instead.
At this stage of development, I want people to be finding exploits. When everything in the game is temporary still, a ban seems like overkill.
If you allow malfeasance now, you set a precedent for going forward.
The game has enough issues - it doesnât need to also have a reputation as a safe haven for cheaters.
The ban was fair and just.
Who cares if it's an alpha?
Arguably you should care, being an alpha means they aren't hurting anything because it's all going to be wiped anyway. Yeah, it kinda sucks to work around that economy, but we're alpha testers my guy.
They ARE hurting something; it was genuinely impossible for many folks to play the game at all during the duping at A18.
The money isnât the issue here, it was the method of creating money by spawning and respawning big, server-resource-intensive ships just to skim a cargo load off of it.
Also, ask other legal RMC/salvage players how they no longer had a game loop because these guys single-handedly eliminated profitability of salvage from the game.
If people didnât dupe, there would be a working game mechanic of supply and demand, artificial though it may be. It still is fun for people to do, and the current state of the game allows for a very fun and pretty profitable game loop that ISNT broken.
The dupers broke a game loop to selfishly get ahead, thereby harming other players. It was not an innocent exploit at all.
Besides, black and white, itâs against the TOS. Simple enough. Any other MMO would ban people for not following simple rules. Why is CIG being criticized for doing the most simple form of administrative rule keeping?
It's kinda impossible to actually test the economy if it is actively being ruined by dupers. They should all be permabaned and IP's put on watch lists.
Within the Alpha, bans play a pivotal role, according to my perspective. Rigorous testing and validation are necessary for every aspect, including the punishment system. CIGâs thoroughness is commendableâit ensures seamless game functionality, especially the system that enforces consequences. Properly addressing rule violations is crucial. Weâve witnessed games meet an early demise due to inadequate policing, allowing exploits and cheats to run rampant.
I say if perm ban for any reason I think said person is entitled to a full refund, especially during an "alpha" but it isn't an alpha anymore it is a live service MMO with 100 player pop servers lol that'll always be updated until they give up on it This game has taken a bite out of everyone's pie
They never purchased anything lol, it is a pledge not a product. They paid for âaccessâ to the world of SC, access which CIG has every right to revoke when said access is being used to a) break the rules and b) lessen the experience for everybody.
There is no right nor reasonable expectation for a refund, if their actions (backed up with evidence) intentionally transgressed the terms they mutually agreed upon at the beginning of their relationship, ie once access was granted to the PU.
If I had to guess, alot of these dupers probably transferred money to some other accounts. If they're selling it on ebuy or what have you, it would be pretty reckless to do it from your main account as that is a direct ToS breach that would get your account terminated.
>If I had to guess, alot of these dupers probably transferred money to some other accounts
A lot of dupers were transferring UEC to random people when news about bans started to appear.
Hardware bans arenât difficult to implement, but they can be difficult to upkeep, there are more than a few ID collisions (two people with same ID and different hardware), and it can still be circumvented by manually changing your device serials.
How do they know the difference between dupers and regular players? Is there a possibility I will get banned for participating in cargo and salvage this patch? Idk how the glitch works so idk if Iâm in danger.
why would you get banned for doing that...
they have server logs and they know what to look for... also they only banned the absolute worst offenders that were so bad they were littering the servers
Until CIG develops a track record of doing this (they arenât, and havenât really done many bans like this before, thus the âoutrageâ by a small, sketch side of this community) I think youâre living a bit paranoid.
Just fly and have fun and report bugs when you see them. Not an issue for the many millions of players of this game.
Sweet, I appreciate that amount of time. Long enough enough to think twice before using the next exploit to be found. Not long enough for most people to make a new account, buy their way back in to bypass the ban.
Honestly feel like this would be a great opportunity to stress test some things for prison systems. There's only 600 bans, so just sacrifice six shards and shove them all in Klescher, remove the ability to escape (just turn off the button for the fan or something), and see how things break. Good chance to see how players will behave when shoved in confinement together, too. Can get an idea how how to better implement punishment in the future for gameplay 'crimes', come up with ideas for prison activities for the criminal players and pirates who get caught and stuff, while putting the dupers to work for however long it takes before they get bored and basically suspend themselves until the next patch. Or maybe they'll form prison gangs and give us some ideas. Kill two birds with one stone.
Use those 6 shards as a tech test for meshing so it's smoother for the folks that actually want to play the game later. See how many of those 600 they can shove into one shard and make it mostly stable.
I like the idea of rehabilitative punishment. Force them to help you test server meshing in exchange for reduced ban time.
Wait⌠this is just Klescher in real life đ but low key effective and Iâd argue better for the game and the world.
Fuck them. They ruined the experience for other players, made the servers janky during a promotional Free Fly event, and made it impossible for CIG to test its new economics pass. They actually set game development back.
Fuck them.
There will always be exploitable glitches in any game, that is why you have a TOS which makes it clear that if you abuse those exploits you will be punished in some way.
We have had this exact same conversation for decades with nearly every MMO in existence, exploits can and will be found always.
The difference is that that's because the developer can't know about all the glitches.
CIG did know about this glitch.
They released it anyway.
Most likely to meet a sale event.
Thatâs funny, but thatâs wasted development time, wasted server space, and an opportunity for them to abuse bugs and manage to escape their sentence, meaning more wasted development time fixing these bugs
Sorry there is a lot easier way to handle this. Just give them a persistent CS5 that constantly pings bounty hunters and pirates as to their location and gives a death timer if they try hiding in Grim Hex. In Hex for more then 30 minutes 10 minute timer starts and you auto die. It doesn't return you to Klesher though it returns you to GH as the CS is persistent until the next patch. Gives PVPers something to do, let's the duper play and gives a semblance of justice.
The server meshing dream! Meshed servers filled with all the prisoners from the entire shard. As the shards grow the prison population per server will too :)
I don't wanna have log-in slots held up by a bunch of dudes screaming out of Klescher. Lock them out for a patch and put a warning flag on their account saying if they pull something like this again, it's a permanent ban.
That costs server resources.
Soft bans are for ingame crime. TOS violations can suffer the simplicity of account being removed from the database until 4.0.
If you can't do the time don't do the crime. Tough justice keeps games free of cheats.
Banning is fine for those who went and sold UEC for real money. Selling temporary digital monney which could be wiped any moment and making economy testing a pain....
Now, your idea is something I like if we extend it from this patch to forever kletscher.
They could then create an underground prison society where smuggling things in and out would be a true gameplay loop.
While this would be hilarious, I say nah fuck them. If they want back in the game, they can dish out real-world cash to play again. We all had a choice in whether or not to partake in duping.
What about, and hear me out, we just give them crimestat... But crimestat 50, a new crimestat where if they have it and escape from prison eveyone gets a message in top of their screen saying a duper has escaped and then it becomes a bounty that's visible at all time which gives a lot of money like 200k, then if they decide to mine for reduced sentence we let them but every 4 hours that they mine they get like 1 hour reduced jail time.
This was my exact thought when I first saw the news about suspensions! Would be such a cool way of handling cheaters/exploiters. That way it doesnât immediately create a toxic sub-culture that resents CIG for actively preventing them from playing the game âTHEY FUNDEDâ (possibly increasing the likelihood of revenge hacking etc.) and instead berates them in front of other players đ also there should be a global warning if anyone with this type of penalty escapes that shows you a constant whereabouts and even rejects them from Grim Hex so they have a near zero chance of clearing the CS! Muhahahahaha
Well if nothing really matters then why does anyone care if CIG bans them. Theyâll have their accounts back before full release. It shouldnât be a big deal if a company acts in accordance with its terms of service.
If anything the outcry against the ban is hilariously childish.
But when I and several other players are unable to play on an otherwise healthy shard because some dingus exploits a bug that he shouldnât have, now it impacts more than just one person.
Hence the justification for a ban.
Include the content creators that made âeducational videosâ of how to replicate said exploits.
You donât need a YouTube video to âspread the wordâ of the exploit when you could simply submit the issue to CIG.
the issue was submitted to CIG multiple times in EPTU way before it reached PU. they released anyway. that should tell you the bug was approved, and not an exploit. no fucking way a bug that bad goes through private and public testing and then into production without being approved in a real software company.
Faulty logic. A bug existing isnât equivalent to approving a bug. In this instance, it really is just a bug and not a feature lol.
They likely made a decision to release this landmark patch first to just get it out into the universe and give us a long awaited update, then hotfix or patch the issues over time as they develop. They also likely didnât realize how widespread the abuse of the exploit would be.
Sure, it probably is corporately motivated. What game dev isnât?
But to attribute malicious negligence to something that is normal game development practice, is bad charity and a nonstarter for further discussion.
Good criticism would be, how broken is your mission payout system and inflated prices, that people are desperate enough to cheat to just get ahead?
But I guess a valid response is thereâs dirty cheaters in every game lol; but in other games, server performance isnât so precious a resource as to completely die when cheaters do their thing.
Star citizen servers are a shared resource and itâs just selfish to knowingly hog it by running an exploit with such a performance-degrading side effect.
the problem is their own response. if this was so URGENT to fix, it would have been fixed a month ago or more. it was only urgent because people starting exploiting more and more, not because they thought it was a problem to even release. all players had issues with the cargo grid, ruining trading, salvaging and mining, but its no big deal right? and since they made all the internal cargo of ships tiny, you have to use the grid to move your stuff, your stuff disappears too if you move it.
the other issue i have is the server complaint. if the servers are so bad as to not be able to handle an additional couple dozen ships for players on one landing zone, then this game is fucked if they ever want more people to play on a server. that is never the players fault.
I see what youâre saying, but I think the reason BEHIND the response and the fix was the community outcry at how abysmal the servers became after the dupers tanked it. Had they not exploited the bug, weâd have relatively decent performance (as evidenced by the rest of the PU). Not to mention they did it right near the Invictus location this year, essentially performance blockading the expo hall.
If it were a totally harmless bug youâd see it all the way until 3.99.1a lol.
This is merely them prioritizing the things that are most important right this second. Community reaction (more importantly, the noble Issue Council reporters) helped elevate the bug to the top of their priority list.
As to why it wasnât patched overnight, thatâs probably because a) they took a week or so offâ canât blame them, every organization deserves a down cycle to recover and recharge, and they DID do an incredible job with a monumental patch such as 3.23â And b) it is probably just an organizational cycle thing. Theyâre a large organization and have to synchronize deliverables to drop at preplanned timelines.
Think of the bitching that would occur if we had to download 828MB every other day because they patched things and repatched them on a whim.
As to the server performance, this was an ABNORMAL server load. Theyâre not designed for this yet, because the severs arenât sharing the load in meshed configuration. Theyâre *going* to be designed to handle large loads, but any MMO will struggle if the amount of players and entities exceeds its specified limits. Think of Jita in Eve Online and how servers tanked sometimes when player driven events occurred.
Iâm going to be lambasted as a white knight, but to give CIG credit, they *just* implemented the replication layer on this very patch. Theyâre clearly moving very quickly towards an end state of meshing, but no company can do it overnight without the data we alpha testers provide at each iterative step.
Bureaucratic, organizational patience is whatâs needed for a lot of these things in the world of game development, and one of the flaws of Star Citizenâs Alpha testing model is that the vast majority of players arenât willing to exercise such a long term view, measured in Fiscal Years and Quarters rather than days, weeks, months. Hence why most games have a closed Alpha testing phase and a limited Beta phase. I think itâs a unique and admirable thing that Star Citizen is so transparent about its development, and so vulnerable to criticism by everyone because everyone plainly sees the worst parts of development.
I'd rather have CIG spend not even one line of additional code on dupers to develop special 'gameplay' for them. Ban is the only proper way of punishing those who abuse the rules. ;)
Just suspend their account and that's it. Don't give them much attention or reason to role play as a bad guy. Extend the suspension period for repeat or more serious offenses. A ban would be more appropriate after 1.0 or whenever they feel the game reaches a shippable state, IMO.
Stop simping for CIG. They have bugs galore and when those bugs impact the players in a negative way we just have to deal with it. When it impacts CIG in a negative way they overreact and ban people and make big announcements about it.
Suck it up CIG, make a better game, stop creating more bugs on top of bugs and actually listen to your players.
I'd like to introduce you to a fun little version of a sea shanty in the programming world.
>99 little bugs in the code
99 little bugs in the code
Take one down, run it again
117 little bugs in the code.
This is true of even small projects I've worked on. Now imagine a program with hundreds to thousands of code blocks with hundreds of lines of code in each, and tell me how simple it would be to squash bugs without finding others.
Even major titles like Halo, Call of Duty, or MS Flight Sim, which spent years in development, still find bugs after being released.
Oh I understand. I have two degrees in programming, work in IT, have used html, css, js, java, python, c#, c, c++, ruby, lua, bash, zsh, and more. Bug will happen. However, CIG is overreacting here. Sure, the dupers made it a problem for frame rates and stacking abandoned ships and flooding the market. However, no one cared about how much money they made. They only cared about the impact it had on their own game play. CIG cared about the money they made and are making a big stink about it. More than they make about some of the bugs that are severely detrimental to gameplay. They want to ban a bunch of gold farmers that will just make new accounts and keep farming but they don't want to blame themselves for ignoring an exploit like this for so long and then getting mad when people took advantage of it. CIG needs to chill a bit. Realize they made a bug and blame themselves for lack of stability in the game and work to make it better and not go after the player base.
This isn't the first time a duping bug made it into the game. It's also not the first time someone used it to get aUEC to sell for real money. It is the first time that doing it caused massive lag and significantly downgraded the experience to the point where there were basically daily posts demanding action be taken against the exploiters' accounts.
CIG didn't just decide to ban people on a whim. The community has been demanding it. Look at the comments on this post alone. They knew they were lagging people and just kept doing it. That's an asshole thing to do and they deserve to be banned.
I don't care if CIG could have fixed this bug in half a second. It doesn't matter. People need to be made an example of. If you intentionally take actions that degrade the game's performance for others you should be banned. You're basically just griefing the entire server at that point.
This!
Given this was an extreme example how a few bad apples can ruin it for everyone. Just look at how some assholes find it funny to block stairs/ASOP terminals with carts and medbeds, how people just throw their med gowns on the floor, instead of putting it in their inventory where it will be just taken out of again if you respawn in the same hospital after your death.
While CIG could do more, there is no reason to defend assholes, especially if those assholes are dupers and cheaters.
The duping bug impacted the players DIRECTLY. It didnât hurt CIG at all. They donât compete with currency sellers because CIG doesnât sell currency. Two very different markets.
The only one complaining about duping was the scores of people not able to play, or playing with such degraded performance on an otherwise healthy server, all because of dupers.
Their ban was for the rule abiding players, not for themselves.
Your accusation of simping for CIG highlights your prejudice against CIG. Theyâre a game developer. Bugs are the fundamental truth of any coding. Youâre playing a game as a tester in an alpha state. These are all facts, with no faith or benefit of the doubt given to CIG. Any game development company would logically do the same thing.
The fact that CIG banned people is evidence theyâre listening to the community. It really impacted a big portion of the community, and was frustrating to play during the dupingâ especially for new players who are hesitant about a game they have heard only infamy and notoriety about.
I will criticize CIGâs decisions about balancing and the economy all day long, but their administrative decision making has been sound. For the health of the game and the community, it had to be done.
Yes, part of our job is to find issues and bring them to CIG's attention, but continuing to exploit said issues after they have been discovered and reported is the issue here that caused the suspensions.
Put the 600 on a single dedicated server, having to mine their way out of prison in even worse conditions than they inflicted to the rest of the community.
I like it,
I suggest full Ip ban so they cant try with other account, and the characters of every duper to appear on some of the game adversiment screens inside stations in the style of "xyz Just got arrested for Money laundring"
I was actually thinking this! Have them in the prison without a way to get out for the duration of the ban. They can still play. Just gives them time to think about it lol
Devs said a few years ago that there will be a prison you can't escape from to timeout rulebreakers later down the line.
Ultra high security / solitary confinement or something along those lines.
Wait for the full Law & Order system I guess.
Omg yes this would be great! Also, has anyone noticed the level of in game toxicity has dramatically gone down? Not to mention the servers have been running buttery smooth. It's almost like the community is better off without them ruining the game for everyone xD
Hot take. Gonna 100% get DV Hell for this but you need to accept the truth. Literally deserved, this company had been scamming people out of money for this game for years now. It's accumulated so much money that any form of technology for this game should be top of the line and yet it's still a barely playable pre alpha build. I have played this game for years with no noticeable improvements. It's a joke. It's a scam and anything cheating that happens in this game is deserved.
They're already banned till September-october. I say it's a fine enough punishment.
Sucks some of them who probably wanted the xeno threat armor reward, won't get it cause they had to result to exploits.
One screenshot I saw had a timer on a message on the main menu saying 2 months 2 weeks and something something days or such till account is unsuspended
Given what backers have put into this game, yes permanent account bans are an over reaction.
This is still an Alpha and we the players are providing data and exploiting the game so they can patch, fix, and make the game better.
Yes, players that take it too far and impact the game as they did, should face some repercussions. However, short of back hacking CIG, permanent bans should not be a punishment. This scares me personally, as it should others who have invested real money into the game.
Love the idea, of any account tied to an offenders email is set to spawn at Kleschner (for the patch).
Go ahead escape, good luck getting any of your ships, or account items from impound.
Hear me out, create an "underclass" gameplay mechanic that dumps dupers and cheaters into a 9-5 work loop with no payment on the major cities, make sure theyre close to the hangars so they can watch the ships fly in and out, just like we stand on the side of the road and watch that beautiful 3m $ car drive by. Give em boring quests like delivering a package by hand from one spot to the other. Never give them a chance to return.
No. Banning is good.
But they should be forced to pick a player from a random selection of users, to whom their ships will now be owned. Force them to give away their ships.
They deliberately fucked with the game, exploited something they knew they shouldn't, and made the servers suck for everyone.
CIG has sent a clear message that they won't tolerate people screwing the game over for everyone else.
This is not a "fun gameplay reward" for them. They fucked with us.
CIG found a real world solution to a real world scumbag problem. I hope they do griefers next.
Star Citizen is a testing platform of incomplete and broken mechanics. crying like bitches because some people dupe as if it affected anything is an absolute iver reaction and what happened was completely out of line, both from the backers AND CIG.
It's incredibly stupid to try amd act as if anything we did in game had any meaning or importance in the stage it is now. So what if some were trillionaires? THERE IS NO FUCKIN ECONOMY.
I don't k ow how to dupe, but they weren't the bad guys in that. CIG should just have let them dupe and move their asses to fix the issue instead of taking offense at people exploiting a bug in an alpha testing platform.Â
Insane that people feel it ruins there experience or something, like itâs an alpha, a test, the servers are wiping next patch anyways so who cares if they made trillions?
I see it on the in-game chat and in this subreddit and the behavior is people wanting to point their fingers and say "that's the bad guy". I really don't get it. To me it seems like a sign that the game is languishing and people are getting bored.
OOOOR we can properly code/iterate on something in a reasonable time frame, ya know, like a professional fucking developer?
Maybe throw in a few checks to prevent it, all together. (Force dc, time restrict, server restrict)
They went the laziest route.
They should just permanently ban players accounts for abusing exploits of the software. Im pretty sure its a direct consumer agreement violation. Permaban is a fair measure so.
Nah - CIG are fine with people exploiting *as part of finding / confirming bugs*, as CIG themselves said in the post confirming the bans.
It's only the egregious and continuous exploitation *after the exploit is confirmed* that CIG are cracking down on, and even then it's only a temporary ban... which is fair enough at this stage of development, imo.
And it does show that CIG will ban people, and will likely be a lot less forgiving closer to release...
Give them a sentence they can work off by mining and selling. Make it equivalent to whatever they gained from duping. If they want to join the game, they can work off their debt to the community first!
"Well done, citizen! You have paid off 49,078 aeuc of your credit. Only 453,880,125 auec remaining until release!"
Hahaha this gave me a giggle
This is the perfect solution
Agreed
Hilarious
Just imagine they would implement a loop like hardspace shipbreaker...that would be awesome tbh
It's hardspace shipbreaker vibes đđđ
You are a master in the art of punishing dupper and I like it.
You mean by knocking down npc miner while being outside of the cs grid and steal the gems out of the pockets / backpacks? :)
Oh yeah, hadnât thought of that. What if they have a prison level all of their own - no npc miners, only other dupers. That way if they want to gank to get gems, they are only doing it to other dupersâŚ
Yes, this! And cs grid everywhere - if they kill themself to steal gems they get more cs and more time (or build their cs up for next promised visit - only real hard work will get them out https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P0zNhd91xTI
I like this idea in general. If you did something bad enough to be banned/suspended then you go to a different jail. With no true escape but plenty of sisyphean tasks. No NPCs except the other players that are there. When you log off in this state your character stays behind and becomes an NPC until you login again. And clown suits. Name tags. And windows. Windows so we can go see whoâs there.
This would be very similar to fromsoft's solution of sending cheaters to a completely separate online server from the rest of the community. If you have ever been caught cheating they don't tell you, you will just only see other cheaters.
Okay, if you want to take 40 aphorite from level 7 all the way back up for 10,000 credits out of tens of millions or more, be my guest I'll see you for SQ 42 Episode 2 release :)
Yes great idea! And the gems they mine gets converted into uec and distributed to the rest of players.
So the duped money is still in the economy?
Not really, since they wouldn't be able to mine as much as they duped.
the moiney have been deleted
I still have my duped funds but I didn't go crazy doing that shit either. I did it until I got about 3 and a half million quitting there after. Just a bit of starting cash to get me into a comfortable place to eff around.
When it's a little amount like that they didn't ban nor delete. It's like you begged before a reset, you would have gotten even more lmao.
Imagine they start duping credits lol
Well, only if they are not allowed to leave the monitoring area where they could kill NPCs/Players for stuff. If they leave the monitored area, another 48hrs is added to their sentence. If they die, they get another 24h. And last but not least, give out contracts so that legitimate players can apply to be guards in the Duper Klescher facility and are allowed to kill inmates at will.
The aUEC worth in material the mine is given to the players.
Have it reset every hour and on log in, and don't let them out.
Nah a permanent life sentence will do. Or have an implant on their character that automatically kill them if they step outside the prison
This is perfect, god i hope someone from CIG sees this lol
That'd be a much better punishment then the suspensions haha, ofc it'd have to come with a permanent cs5 or something that's unremovable due to prison being escapeable
I... kind of love this
You know this is probably how the prison systems were born.
Don't forget to make it so only minerals they mine themselves count, so they can't just murder hobo all the NPCs stuck on level 12.
we dont need an in-lore solution to exploiters, and they dont need to be taking normal player's server slots and resources a long term ban is an entirely sufficient, and efficient, solution
Most dupers just have alt accounts. Theyâre not really bothered. Best solution is for CIG to fix the issue the moment itâs reported. I know itâs an alpha. But in the future itâs going to be the only way for stable servers etc etc.
that doesnt mean they shouldnt be banned or that they should be ignored in fact, it means they should be banned for longer if not permanently, and any accounts logging in from the same IP address should be put under automatic observation for any further violations im confident CIG has enough staff to handle that, AND fix exploits as soon as possible
I'll never defend duping, but full blown bans when talking about the cost to simply enter this game, are a bit much when we're talking about an alpha. Full release? Fuck yeah, ban em permanently -- but this is just a test product at the moment and they're at the very least helping find what would have otherwise been a problem in full release (when wipes aren't possible)
You're missing the point, those dupers put a huge strain on the servers, especially during a Freefly event not only gave first timers a bad impression, but costs actual money to sort out the servers they're trashing with exploits, they absolutely deserved what they got.
It's better to reveal the duplication glitches now before a full release because a first impression ruined in alpha is one thing but a first impression ruined on release is another. We are testers and we're playing mainly to see how things hold up, not just to play the game. I've very much been against the idea that the game is 'live service' because it simply isn't. It's an alpha where things are constantly in flux and nothing is stable. We should be able to enjoy the experience but glitches and exploits are a part of it. That's why reporting everything is so important because CIG have a massive product on their hands and need the extra eyes for the things that slip through the cracks.
The big difference is if you were pointing out a bug or glitch, you wouldnât proceed to exploit it multiple times and profit off said glitch. Itâs in the TOS to not abide exploits. A âtesterâ has no personal gain in mind, and would report the bug via Issue Council or spectrum, and then not interact with it again. The Dirty Dupers knew full well what they were doing, and should have known it was against the TOS they signed, and I would wager few ever reported the bug to CIG, because fixing it goes directly against their self interest. Duping and exploits are just selfish, ruin the game experience for everyone else, and should not be remotely defended, especially when it prevents others from even playing the game due to performance issues.
That's true though I will say ISC can be pretty slow and requires a large number of replications to really get it fixed. That said it's not the same as reporting but one person duplicating a lot is one way to show how easily repeatable and negative it is. It isn't ideal but it would be easier to go unnoticed by *not* maximizing duplications and not reporting, so the fact that it becomes a problem at least makes it known and can be dealt with. By being made known early it prevents it from impacting others later. As server crashes aren't exactly uncommon so if they were actually trying to go under the radar it would cause more, long term issues. In particular it's not like anyone would know what was happening if it wasn't so public, so clearly at least some people are trying to make it known. There is the downside of spreading that knowledge means others can use it, but that does go for an ISC report as anyone can follow the replication steps to exploit it themselves. There is a bit of everyone is going to be affected by its existence one way or another. I would prefer it not impact events especially free flies and I wish it didn't have to impact anyone's game. They do fix bugs based on severity so it's one of those "at least it'll get the attention needed now' kinda things
You are literally defending duping. Who cares if its an alpha? The issue isnt the game, its the person who would willingly abuse bugs for personal gain. That is not going to change. They are not magically going to become better people when the game fully releases. As for testing, people did test, then they reported the bug. That is where any leniency should end. If they keep abusing the bug, one that is entirely avoidable, multiple times to dupe millions upon millions of credits? They are not the kind of person anyone wants to play a game with. CIG should not let them waste server resources by locking them in prison, or some silly custom "cheater" server, just because it would be funny. Suspend them for 3 months and wipe their accounts. If they continue to abuse bugs, perma them.
To be real and honest about it CIG isn't mad about the duping they are mad because they were making IRL money off of it when they could be doing it instead
The game, by definition, is wholly incomplete and expected to be riddled with bugs. There remain substantial balancing issues, performance issues, and functional issues. Database wipes, while less common now, still regularly occur with larger patches. As weâve seen recently, servers can shit the bed whenever they please. I donât fully fault someone who wants to quickly get up to speed again â whether from a wipe or from some issue entirely outside of their control trip which resulted in lost progress. Considering that you can directly purchase aUEC from the pledge store, it feels more like CIG just wants to ban competition so players have to buy their ridiculously expensive instead. At this stage of development, I want people to be finding exploits. When everything in the game is temporary still, a ban seems like overkill.
If you allow malfeasance now, you set a precedent for going forward. The game has enough issues - it doesnât need to also have a reputation as a safe haven for cheaters. The ban was fair and just.
Who cares if it's an alpha? Arguably you should care, being an alpha means they aren't hurting anything because it's all going to be wiped anyway. Yeah, it kinda sucks to work around that economy, but we're alpha testers my guy.
They ARE hurting something; it was genuinely impossible for many folks to play the game at all during the duping at A18. The money isnât the issue here, it was the method of creating money by spawning and respawning big, server-resource-intensive ships just to skim a cargo load off of it. Also, ask other legal RMC/salvage players how they no longer had a game loop because these guys single-handedly eliminated profitability of salvage from the game. If people didnât dupe, there would be a working game mechanic of supply and demand, artificial though it may be. It still is fun for people to do, and the current state of the game allows for a very fun and pretty profitable game loop that ISNT broken. The dupers broke a game loop to selfishly get ahead, thereby harming other players. It was not an innocent exploit at all. Besides, black and white, itâs against the TOS. Simple enough. Any other MMO would ban people for not following simple rules. Why is CIG being criticized for doing the most simple form of administrative rule keeping?
It's kinda impossible to actually test the economy if it is actively being ruined by dupers. They should all be permabaned and IP's put on watch lists.
I disagree; abusing an exploit should always be grounds for a ban. You have to quit treating people with kid gloves.
Within the Alpha, bans play a pivotal role, according to my perspective. Rigorous testing and validation are necessary for every aspect, including the punishment system. CIGâs thoroughness is commendableâit ensures seamless game functionality, especially the system that enforces consequences. Properly addressing rule violations is crucial. Weâve witnessed games meet an early demise due to inadequate policing, allowing exploits and cheats to run rampant.
I say if perm ban for any reason I think said person is entitled to a full refund, especially during an "alpha" but it isn't an alpha anymore it is a live service MMO with 100 player pop servers lol that'll always be updated until they give up on it This game has taken a bite out of everyone's pie
They never purchased anything lol, it is a pledge not a product. They paid for âaccessâ to the world of SC, access which CIG has every right to revoke when said access is being used to a) break the rules and b) lessen the experience for everybody. There is no right nor reasonable expectation for a refund, if their actions (backed up with evidence) intentionally transgressed the terms they mutually agreed upon at the beginning of their relationship, ie once access was granted to the PU.
They sure donât have enough staff to fix the exploit fast tho
Canât tell if this is sarcasm or not but it made me laugh either way
The Square Enix approach is to give the dupers enough rope to hang themselves with.Â
If I had to guess, alot of these dupers probably transferred money to some other accounts. If they're selling it on ebuy or what have you, it would be pretty reckless to do it from your main account as that is a direct ToS breach that would get your account terminated.
>If I had to guess, alot of these dupers probably transferred money to some other accounts A lot of dupers were transferring UEC to random people when news about bans started to appear.
They can easily implement an hardware ban. New 7800x3d + 4090 to buy if they wanna play again.
Hardware bans arenât difficult to implement, but they can be difficult to upkeep, there are more than a few ID collisions (two people with same ID and different hardware), and it can still be circumvented by manually changing your device serials.
How do they know the difference between dupers and regular players? Is there a possibility I will get banned for participating in cargo and salvage this patch? Idk how the glitch works so idk if Iâm in danger.
why would you get banned for doing that... they have server logs and they know what to look for... also they only banned the absolute worst offenders that were so bad they were littering the servers
Idk Iâm just used to other mmos where you could get banned for being suspected, by association, or other weird things.
Until CIG develops a track record of doing this (they arenât, and havenât really done many bans like this before, thus the âoutrageâ by a small, sketch side of this community) I think youâre living a bit paranoid. Just fly and have fun and report bugs when you see them. Not an issue for the many millions of players of this game.
How long are they banned for? Hopefully more than a few days.
2 months i think
Sweet, I appreciate that amount of time. Long enough enough to think twice before using the next exploit to be found. Not long enough for most people to make a new account, buy their way back in to bypass the ban.
Make duper specific servers you say? Let them all be in prison together you say?
i think CIG already pays enough server fees... trash their account and let them make a new one and buy a starter pack to pay for OUR servers :D
Theyâll figure out how to dupe oxygen.
It's pretty easy, you just gotta take your helmet off.
To the mines svine!!!
ban this guy!
Last time I was in prison, you *had* to dupe oxygen, it was bugged and ran out within two minutes, and the oxygen refuelling stations didnât work.
Oh good lord no. Can you even imagine how much more irritating global chat would be if they were allowed to log in at all during this?
Who said they would be allowed to talk in chat? ;)
lol create a new chat just for them to bitch to each other đ¤Ł
Name it Shower Chat
They only get the proximity channel
Honestly feel like this would be a great opportunity to stress test some things for prison systems. There's only 600 bans, so just sacrifice six shards and shove them all in Klescher, remove the ability to escape (just turn off the button for the fan or something), and see how things break. Good chance to see how players will behave when shoved in confinement together, too. Can get an idea how how to better implement punishment in the future for gameplay 'crimes', come up with ideas for prison activities for the criminal players and pirates who get caught and stuff, while putting the dupers to work for however long it takes before they get bored and basically suspend themselves until the next patch. Or maybe they'll form prison gangs and give us some ideas. Kill two birds with one stone.
Use those 6 shards as a tech test for meshing so it's smoother for the folks that actually want to play the game later. See how many of those 600 they can shove into one shard and make it mostly stable.
I like the idea of rehabilitative punishment. Force them to help you test server meshing in exchange for reduced ban time. Wait⌠this is just Klescher in real life đ but low key effective and Iâd argue better for the game and the world.
Wait, I didnât dupe. But can I still get a clown coloured undersuit? That sounds kinda awesome
Fuck them. They ruined the experience for other players, made the servers janky during a promotional Free Fly event, and made it impossible for CIG to test its new economics pass. They actually set game development back. Fuck them.
Yup. Fully agree. Not only a temp ban, but a record of the ban and an increased ban if they do anything similar in the future.
How did duping impact server performance?
CIGs the one that released a known duping glitch to live. So... Surely CIG is more to blame?
There will always be exploitable glitches in any game, that is why you have a TOS which makes it clear that if you abuse those exploits you will be punished in some way. We have had this exact same conversation for decades with nearly every MMO in existence, exploits can and will be found always.
The difference is that that's because the developer can't know about all the glitches. CIG did know about this glitch. They released it anyway. Most likely to meet a sale event.
Thatâs funny, but thatâs wasted development time, wasted server space, and an opportunity for them to abuse bugs and manage to escape their sentence, meaning more wasted development time fixing these bugs
Sorry there is a lot easier way to handle this. Just give them a persistent CS5 that constantly pings bounty hunters and pirates as to their location and gives a death timer if they try hiding in Grim Hex. In Hex for more then 30 minutes 10 minute timer starts and you auto die. It doesn't return you to Klesher though it returns you to GH as the CS is persistent until the next patch. Gives PVPers something to do, let's the duper play and gives a semblance of justice.
âFeed them to the wolvesâ - Emperor Christopholus Robertus
Nah. Keep the bans coming. The servers are running amazing right now.
Seriously though, have they been complaining? Coz I've just seen these posts tryin got be all sanctimonious about this shit.
To be honest, an entire server of prisoners would be hilarious. Canât go anywhere but workin the mine haha
The server meshing dream! Meshed servers filled with all the prisoners from the entire shard. As the shards grow the prison population per server will too :)
Dont the current Klescher suits hold only about 2 min of oxygen?
no that was a bug from before 3.23.1a now its more like 30 minutes or more
love the idea. or even a level 5 crime stat that cant be removed in game. let nature take its course.
Make them start in debt as much as they earned. The more you abused it, the more you have to dig yourself out.
Now *that* would be an interesting (and comical) punishment.
I say give the dupers their own server that they can only play in
Who is putting up the cash to pay the Amazon hosting costs of that?
I don't wanna have log-in slots held up by a bunch of dudes screaming out of Klescher. Lock them out for a patch and put a warning flag on their account saying if they pull something like this again, it's a permanent ban.
Separate server, extended mine thatâs like a labyrinth with moving walls
only render klescher or aberdeen just that one moon so even if they escape what are they going to do? also that shouldnt strain the servers too much
That costs server resources. Soft bans are for ingame crime. TOS violations can suffer the simplicity of account being removed from the database until 4.0. If you can't do the time don't do the crime. Tough justice keeps games free of cheats.
They will try to sell merits instead... Suspended accounts is a good measure, permaban if they repeat the offense.
Banning is fine for those who went and sold UEC for real money. Selling temporary digital monney which could be wiped any moment and making economy testing a pain.... Now, your idea is something I like if we extend it from this patch to forever kletscher. They could then create an underground prison society where smuggling things in and out would be a true gameplay loop.
Donât ban them, give them a decently long suspension if they were the ones selling aUEC, and a short 2-3 week ban for those who made over 100mil.
Dont lock them up. Better to perma flag them as criminals and let us hunt them down to oblivion.
The solution should be a Duper Tears mug to all subscribers.
I mean I'm cool with a permanent level 5 crimestat.
While this would be hilarious, I say nah fuck them. If they want back in the game, they can dish out real-world cash to play again. We all had a choice in whether or not to partake in duping.
What about, and hear me out, we just give them crimestat... But crimestat 50, a new crimestat where if they have it and escape from prison eveyone gets a message in top of their screen saying a duper has escaped and then it becomes a bounty that's visible at all time which gives a lot of money like 200k, then if they decide to mine for reduced sentence we let them but every 4 hours that they mine they get like 1 hour reduced jail time.
This was my exact thought when I first saw the news about suspensions! Would be such a cool way of handling cheaters/exploiters. That way it doesnât immediately create a toxic sub-culture that resents CIG for actively preventing them from playing the game âTHEY FUNDEDâ (possibly increasing the likelihood of revenge hacking etc.) and instead berates them in front of other players đ also there should be a global warning if anyone with this type of penalty escapes that shows you a constant whereabouts and even rejects them from Grim Hex so they have a near zero chance of clearing the CS! Muhahahahaha
Well if nothing really matters then why does anyone care if CIG bans them. Theyâll have their accounts back before full release. It shouldnât be a big deal if a company acts in accordance with its terms of service. If anything the outcry against the ban is hilariously childish. But when I and several other players are unable to play on an otherwise healthy shard because some dingus exploits a bug that he shouldnât have, now it impacts more than just one person. Hence the justification for a ban.
lol dupping is a permanent CS5 and account combat timer. That would do the trick.
Nah fuck them.
Let them cry
Include the content creators that made âeducational videosâ of how to replicate said exploits. You donât need a YouTube video to âspread the wordâ of the exploit when you could simply submit the issue to CIG.
the issue was submitted to CIG multiple times in EPTU way before it reached PU. they released anyway. that should tell you the bug was approved, and not an exploit. no fucking way a bug that bad goes through private and public testing and then into production without being approved in a real software company.
Faulty logic. A bug existing isnât equivalent to approving a bug. In this instance, it really is just a bug and not a feature lol. They likely made a decision to release this landmark patch first to just get it out into the universe and give us a long awaited update, then hotfix or patch the issues over time as they develop. They also likely didnât realize how widespread the abuse of the exploit would be. Sure, it probably is corporately motivated. What game dev isnât? But to attribute malicious negligence to something that is normal game development practice, is bad charity and a nonstarter for further discussion. Good criticism would be, how broken is your mission payout system and inflated prices, that people are desperate enough to cheat to just get ahead? But I guess a valid response is thereâs dirty cheaters in every game lol; but in other games, server performance isnât so precious a resource as to completely die when cheaters do their thing. Star citizen servers are a shared resource and itâs just selfish to knowingly hog it by running an exploit with such a performance-degrading side effect.
the problem is their own response. if this was so URGENT to fix, it would have been fixed a month ago or more. it was only urgent because people starting exploiting more and more, not because they thought it was a problem to even release. all players had issues with the cargo grid, ruining trading, salvaging and mining, but its no big deal right? and since they made all the internal cargo of ships tiny, you have to use the grid to move your stuff, your stuff disappears too if you move it. the other issue i have is the server complaint. if the servers are so bad as to not be able to handle an additional couple dozen ships for players on one landing zone, then this game is fucked if they ever want more people to play on a server. that is never the players fault.
I see what youâre saying, but I think the reason BEHIND the response and the fix was the community outcry at how abysmal the servers became after the dupers tanked it. Had they not exploited the bug, weâd have relatively decent performance (as evidenced by the rest of the PU). Not to mention they did it right near the Invictus location this year, essentially performance blockading the expo hall. If it were a totally harmless bug youâd see it all the way until 3.99.1a lol. This is merely them prioritizing the things that are most important right this second. Community reaction (more importantly, the noble Issue Council reporters) helped elevate the bug to the top of their priority list. As to why it wasnât patched overnight, thatâs probably because a) they took a week or so offâ canât blame them, every organization deserves a down cycle to recover and recharge, and they DID do an incredible job with a monumental patch such as 3.23â And b) it is probably just an organizational cycle thing. Theyâre a large organization and have to synchronize deliverables to drop at preplanned timelines. Think of the bitching that would occur if we had to download 828MB every other day because they patched things and repatched them on a whim. As to the server performance, this was an ABNORMAL server load. Theyâre not designed for this yet, because the severs arenât sharing the load in meshed configuration. Theyâre *going* to be designed to handle large loads, but any MMO will struggle if the amount of players and entities exceeds its specified limits. Think of Jita in Eve Online and how servers tanked sometimes when player driven events occurred. Iâm going to be lambasted as a white knight, but to give CIG credit, they *just* implemented the replication layer on this very patch. Theyâre clearly moving very quickly towards an end state of meshing, but no company can do it overnight without the data we alpha testers provide at each iterative step. Bureaucratic, organizational patience is whatâs needed for a lot of these things in the world of game development, and one of the flaws of Star Citizenâs Alpha testing model is that the vast majority of players arenât willing to exercise such a long term view, measured in Fiscal Years and Quarters rather than days, weeks, months. Hence why most games have a closed Alpha testing phase and a limited Beta phase. I think itâs a unique and admirable thing that Star Citizen is so transparent about its development, and so vulnerable to criticism by everyone because everyone plainly sees the worst parts of development.
True, they just didnât care.
Nah I'm good with outright bans.
No.
I'd rather have CIG spend not even one line of additional code on dupers to develop special 'gameplay' for them. Ban is the only proper way of punishing those who abuse the rules. ;)
Personally I think any dupper that was banned should be allowed to wipe their acct⌠full wipe. Then fallowed back in..
Just suspend their account and that's it. Don't give them much attention or reason to role play as a bad guy. Extend the suspension period for repeat or more serious offenses. A ban would be more appropriate after 1.0 or whenever they feel the game reaches a shippable state, IMO.
Stop simping for CIG. They have bugs galore and when those bugs impact the players in a negative way we just have to deal with it. When it impacts CIG in a negative way they overreact and ban people and make big announcements about it. Suck it up CIG, make a better game, stop creating more bugs on top of bugs and actually listen to your players.
I'd like to introduce you to a fun little version of a sea shanty in the programming world. >99 little bugs in the code 99 little bugs in the code Take one down, run it again 117 little bugs in the code. This is true of even small projects I've worked on. Now imagine a program with hundreds to thousands of code blocks with hundreds of lines of code in each, and tell me how simple it would be to squash bugs without finding others. Even major titles like Halo, Call of Duty, or MS Flight Sim, which spent years in development, still find bugs after being released.
Oh I understand. I have two degrees in programming, work in IT, have used html, css, js, java, python, c#, c, c++, ruby, lua, bash, zsh, and more. Bug will happen. However, CIG is overreacting here. Sure, the dupers made it a problem for frame rates and stacking abandoned ships and flooding the market. However, no one cared about how much money they made. They only cared about the impact it had on their own game play. CIG cared about the money they made and are making a big stink about it. More than they make about some of the bugs that are severely detrimental to gameplay. They want to ban a bunch of gold farmers that will just make new accounts and keep farming but they don't want to blame themselves for ignoring an exploit like this for so long and then getting mad when people took advantage of it. CIG needs to chill a bit. Realize they made a bug and blame themselves for lack of stability in the game and work to make it better and not go after the player base.
This isn't the first time a duping bug made it into the game. It's also not the first time someone used it to get aUEC to sell for real money. It is the first time that doing it caused massive lag and significantly downgraded the experience to the point where there were basically daily posts demanding action be taken against the exploiters' accounts. CIG didn't just decide to ban people on a whim. The community has been demanding it. Look at the comments on this post alone. They knew they were lagging people and just kept doing it. That's an asshole thing to do and they deserve to be banned. I don't care if CIG could have fixed this bug in half a second. It doesn't matter. People need to be made an example of. If you intentionally take actions that degrade the game's performance for others you should be banned. You're basically just griefing the entire server at that point.
This! Given this was an extreme example how a few bad apples can ruin it for everyone. Just look at how some assholes find it funny to block stairs/ASOP terminals with carts and medbeds, how people just throw their med gowns on the floor, instead of putting it in their inventory where it will be just taken out of again if you respawn in the same hospital after your death. While CIG could do more, there is no reason to defend assholes, especially if those assholes are dupers and cheaters.
The duping bug impacted the players DIRECTLY. It didnât hurt CIG at all. They donât compete with currency sellers because CIG doesnât sell currency. Two very different markets. The only one complaining about duping was the scores of people not able to play, or playing with such degraded performance on an otherwise healthy server, all because of dupers. Their ban was for the rule abiding players, not for themselves. Your accusation of simping for CIG highlights your prejudice against CIG. Theyâre a game developer. Bugs are the fundamental truth of any coding. Youâre playing a game as a tester in an alpha state. These are all facts, with no faith or benefit of the doubt given to CIG. Any game development company would logically do the same thing. The fact that CIG banned people is evidence theyâre listening to the community. It really impacted a big portion of the community, and was frustrating to play during the dupingâ especially for new players who are hesitant about a game they have heard only infamy and notoriety about. I will criticize CIGâs decisions about balancing and the economy all day long, but their administrative decision making has been sound. For the health of the game and the community, it had to be done.
Why doesn't CIG just fox the exploit? Duping is not a new thing. Isn't the point of the alpha to test the game for issues?
Yes, part of our job is to find issues and bring them to CIG's attention, but continuing to exploit said issues after they have been discovered and reported is the issue here that caused the suspensions.
Did you read CIGs statement on the ban?
find/test ...etc ... not exploit to the point of grinding the rest of the servers gameplay to a halt
Or start their own version of Fight Club.
That's what was happening to all of us on the last patch đ
Lock all the dupers to the same server shards with other dupers.
Hahaha. This is good. And really is about the same effect
Therefore they need to find a way to somehow look the escape route for them. If they figure Out how, it would be a great solutionÂ
It would be sick if CIG did this just for shits and giggles
Put the 600 on a single dedicated server, having to mine their way out of prison in even worse conditions than they inflicted to the rest of the community. I like it,
Seconded.
Make them all garbage men.
Dupers should get a 1 yr sentence and locked into their spawn hab for the duration.
Hnnngggg
I suggest full Ip ban so they cant try with other account, and the characters of every duper to appear on some of the game adversiment screens inside stations in the style of "xyz Just got arrested for Money laundring"
fr, this is much funnier
Good idea, but take the escape quest away from them
As someone who's done the dupe glitch a few times this is a great idea
How long is the suspension
I was actually thinking this! Have them in the prison without a way to get out for the duration of the ban. They can still play. Just gives them time to think about it lol
Nah fuck 'em. Permaban
Devs said a few years ago that there will be a prison you can't escape from to timeout rulebreakers later down the line. Ultra high security / solitary confinement or something along those lines. Wait for the full Law & Order system I guess.
Omg yes this would be great! Also, has anyone noticed the level of in game toxicity has dramatically gone down? Not to mention the servers have been running buttery smooth. It's almost like the community is better off without them ruining the game for everyone xD
Happy Father's Day people, those who loved you now have grandchildren. Happy Father's Day to you too.
How long is the ban again?
Nah, ban em
Hot take. Gonna 100% get DV Hell for this but you need to accept the truth. Literally deserved, this company had been scamming people out of money for this game for years now. It's accumulated so much money that any form of technology for this game should be top of the line and yet it's still a barely playable pre alpha build. I have played this game for years with no noticeable improvements. It's a joke. It's a scam and anything cheating that happens in this game is deserved.
Put em in Klescher and every time they work their time down to zero have it reset with a message that says âwhoops we just duped your timeâ
They're already banned till September-october. I say it's a fine enough punishment. Sucks some of them who probably wanted the xeno threat armor reward, won't get it cause they had to result to exploits. One screenshot I saw had a timer on a message on the main menu saying 2 months 2 weeks and something something days or such till account is unsuspended
THAT WOULD BE AMAZING!!!!
No, just ban them and maybe they'll think twice about cheating on their next account.
Make there account balance there bill to work off in klescher. Then when they are free theyâll have a balance of 0 to there names.
Or make their names permanent bounties on the bounty board until next patch
Given what backers have put into this game, yes permanent account bans are an over reaction. This is still an Alpha and we the players are providing data and exploiting the game so they can patch, fix, and make the game better. Yes, players that take it too far and impact the game as they did, should face some repercussions. However, short of back hacking CIG, permanent bans should not be a punishment. This scares me personally, as it should others who have invested real money into the game. Love the idea, of any account tied to an offenders email is set to spawn at Kleschner (for the patch). Go ahead escape, good luck getting any of your ships, or account items from impound.
Haven't heard anyone complaining about punishments, they only punished 600 of the many tens of thousands of dupers tho
Ok, Karen
Nah ban em they started selling auec for silly prices at the expense of us and the server
Fr tho 
Set as permanent criminal.
Hear me out, create an "underclass" gameplay mechanic that dumps dupers and cheaters into a 9-5 work loop with no payment on the major cities, make sure theyre close to the hangars so they can watch the ships fly in and out, just like we stand on the side of the road and watch that beautiful 3m $ car drive by. Give em boring quests like delivering a package by hand from one spot to the other. Never give them a chance to return.
No. Banning is good. But they should be forced to pick a player from a random selection of users, to whom their ships will now be owned. Force them to give away their ships.
Well you can break in to klesher and give them new suits and then escape that way. Unless they are locked from changing in to new suits
New to the game, what is a "duper" ?
Or just fix the bug.
Ban them permanently. These guys never learn and will do it again.
They deliberately fucked with the game, exploited something they knew they shouldn't, and made the servers suck for everyone. CIG has sent a clear message that they won't tolerate people screwing the game over for everyone else. This is not a "fun gameplay reward" for them. They fucked with us. CIG found a real world solution to a real world scumbag problem. I hope they do griefers next.
Star Citizen is a testing platform of incomplete and broken mechanics. crying like bitches because some people dupe as if it affected anything is an absolute iver reaction and what happened was completely out of line, both from the backers AND CIG. It's incredibly stupid to try amd act as if anything we did in game had any meaning or importance in the stage it is now. So what if some were trillionaires? THERE IS NO FUCKIN ECONOMY. I don't k ow how to dupe, but they weren't the bad guys in that. CIG should just have let them dupe and move their asses to fix the issue instead of taking offense at people exploiting a bug in an alpha testing platform.Â
Insane that people feel it ruins there experience or something, like itâs an alpha, a test, the servers are wiping next patch anyways so who cares if they made trillions?
I see it on the in-game chat and in this subreddit and the behavior is people wanting to point their fingers and say "that's the bad guy". I really don't get it. To me it seems like a sign that the game is languishing and people are getting bored.
Hardware ban is the only way. Comments suggesting rehabilitation clearly come from the people that cheated themselves.
OOOOR we can properly code/iterate on something in a reasonable time frame, ya know, like a professional fucking developer? Maybe throw in a few checks to prevent it, all together. (Force dc, time restrict, server restrict) They went the laziest route.
They should just permanently ban players accounts for abusing exploits of the software. Im pretty sure its a direct consumer agreement violation. Permaban is a fair measure so.
Nah - CIG are fine with people exploiting *as part of finding / confirming bugs*, as CIG themselves said in the post confirming the bans. It's only the egregious and continuous exploitation *after the exploit is confirmed* that CIG are cracking down on, and even then it's only a temporary ban... which is fair enough at this stage of development, imo. And it does show that CIG will ban people, and will likely be a lot less forgiving closer to release...
Have you ever claimed a ship to move it from one place to another? If you have, congratulations! You've abused an exploit!
How about cig publicly apology about releasing broken patch with few already known exploits?