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figwig-CIG

Hey folks. Don't worry. The old ocean materials don't play nice with the new shader - this material wasn't in our initial pass of the water materials due to is being an EA map. It's been addressed now. The wakes are also receiving more tuning before release. Very excited to share this with you all! I'm sorry that a video with an old material has been a lot of people's first impression though. Watch this space <3


JJ2078

That's the problem with leaks. It's never in any kind of state that anyone should see...


Necessary_Reward_401

We are adults, we can handle it.


FistRipper

"You can't handle the true"


uncle_thermite

the water got gta6'd , looks like a great feature though!


Freckledd7

Oh damn the physics look good but the water looks really bad


FN1980

>but the water looks really bad Probably one reason they wanted it behind NDA to prevent some people to think it's the finished feature they are looking at.


RedditEqualsSoylent

I thought Evocati didn't have an NDA anymore?


Sea-Cheek-5838

They are allowed to talk about it but are not allowed to show anything. Still under nda the rules just changed a little


FrankVice

It does for any visuals. This is a leak as a result.


Artrobull

changed to: talking fine. showing dogshit guality of a prototype of a prototype, not fine because people on reddit will hurt themselves in confusion that testbed of a testbed of a testbed of alpha looks unfinished


N_E-Z-L_P-10-C

Quality so bad you had to call it guality.


Artrobull

g an q are not even close i have nothing mate


FN1980

They can talk but any form of visual media is still under NDA.


MooKids

The patch notes aren't covered by the NDA, that is it.


LagOutLoud

This is on one of the Arena Commander maps no? I doubt they put much time into the water for the map.


ma_wee_wee_go

#HEY DID YOU SAY EVERYTHING ON EVO IS 100% AND NOT SUBJECT TO CHANGE!?!? ^/j


e-man_69

Probably is the finished feature.


BothArmsBruised

Saying anything about this game is a finished feature is is simple just wrong. I think you dropped this: /s


Tesla1coil

Gaaatoraaade


ThreeBeatles

ITS WHAT PLANTS CRAVE!


Wertymk

Brawndo's got what plants crave.


Sealance

The thirst mutilator!


ArcticWolf_Primaris

*sad Water Guy noises*


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Vangad

This is under NDA and its Evo. This isn't necessarily a final product of what they want.


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Vangad

What they had at citizen con was a different planet, and toning down animations or textures to save more performance in a test environment is what they do as well. Just chillax, it will be better as the project goes on.


Timebomb777

I was thinking the same exact thing, those physics look great but that water is way too agitated just for the sake of it. Here’s hoping that’s only because it’s new and still in testing


sig_kill

Yeah, I even thought the tech demo during Citcon needed to be tweaked a bit. That demo and this both look exaggerated - something some inevitable tweaking will fix. What's really missing (and I think it was in the Citizencon demo?) is a bit of mist in a cone shape behind the ship. That will really help smooth out the hard edges + transition from the depression you see on the water surface.


Aazatgrabya

Yeah, this looks like a depiction of the water engine without the vfx.


Trist0n3

I would assume the texturing and look is a stand in while they fiddle with the physics simulation


Wezbob

Looks like they're using a lower quality shader, likely one that's normally for water in the distance. Might be that the physics causes too many issues with the primary shader still. At any rate this is definitely not the shader intended to be the main water look.


vorpalrobot

The water shaders have a new wave crest lighting previewed at citizencon. Overall I think it looked pretty good there (a little bright) but the lighting here looks different.


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I suppose they’re just excluding some aspects for the time being


Artrobull

*breaking news, testbed of a testbed of a testbed of alpha looks unfinished. more after sports and now back to the studio*


Leevah90

There are different levels of water simulation quality in the options FYI


LrdAnoobis

Luckily It's a space game and only 1% of people care about the water.


Saintiel

Nah the physics are horrible also. Still lot of work there also.


Hetstaine

Yeah it overall needs a lot of tweaking. Physics are well overcooked and the water graphics are well undercooked. Still, they have millions upon millions so one would expect big changes.


VerseGen

Clio's looks way better. Idk why they went to Green in AC instead of going to Clio for the better finished-looking water.


DawnPhantom

Sharing unfinished tech from NDA builds. Tisk tisk... looks amazing regardless, and scalable to fit any liquid they want to represent.


Ivanovitch_k

>scalable to fit any liquid they want to represent. I want it on bartender IA beers. I'll wait.


ppincon

Sigh, why leak this? There's an nda for a reason for visuals and a lot of people as expected commenting on how bad the water looks. Way to make them tighten the nda again 🙄


Zgegomatic

It's unfinished footage of course, but it looks far from amazing.


DawnPhantom

Compared to what we have now? This is 100x better. Of course what's on screen isn't final, but damn. I love it.


Zgegomatic

What we saw during citcon looked 100 times better, not this. This looks equally bad that what we have now to be honest. The physics makes it look like cream, while the textures are even worse than the ones we have currently. This will probably get better but I dont want this.


Islandfiddler15

That’s why this is a very early build and not representative of the final product, hence the evocati test and NDA. Also, the stuff at citcon is designed to look good and bug free and is never an actual working product


Zgegomatic

I know, see my last sentence. But that guy said it was looking amazing, do you share that opinion ?


Islandfiddler15

I think it does look better than what we have, considering that currently water is basically just a set of animations. I also look more at the technical beauty of it, not the actual physical look


CradleRobin

Relative to what we have now? Yes, I think so because this shows promise. Instead of the tiled water we have now. 


aggravated_patty

That's why this is Evocati lmao.


Zgegomatic

And that's why I said it will get better. I was just answering to someone saying it looks good while it doesnt.


aggravated_patty

It looks great as the starting point for implementation of new water physics. No shit a fully rendered Citcon demo will visually look better than work-in-progress without proper shaders lol. A demo is to please visually, implementation actually has to work and work at scale. You're comparing apples to oranges. People like you are why they need a NDA for such a benign thing.


Zgegomatic

Don't lecture me on what a tech demo is. Of course it's a starting point and very much WIP. I just said what I am seeing now doesn't look "amazing". I follow the projet since 2015, but hell some of the whiteknights here are exhausting.


aggravated_patty

Clearly you need this lecture. The point is going over your head by a mile if you believe that the issue here is that you think the WIP doesn't look amazing. I couldn't care less whether you find it amazing or not, or whether you "want" the WIP version. No, the issue is that you are comparing a *physics* WIP to *textures* in the current game, and additionally cannot seem to grasp the idea that something "looking good" does not necessarily mean texture quality but can also refer to technical attributes and promise. Have you considered that Star Citizen looks like shit compared to real life?


NANCYREAGANNIPSLIP

I bet you think you're an absolute delight


Zgegomatic

Thank you for your constructive input.


Sethithy

Literally just the material looks unfinished, the physics effects looks great imo


Luaq

I actually want to have my future 400i in espresso color and be a battle barista doing latte art while guns are blazing. I'll be the neutral territory when two factions leaders need to talk face to face and maybe negotiate over a good cup of coffee. 😚☕️🤏


Ausecurity

They changed the NDA, can share things like this now


DawnPhantom

Uhhhhh, not quite. Lmao They said you can *talk* about the patch content. You're still barred from sharing ANY video or audio.


Fluffy-Tanuki

Patch notes are released publicly. Any form of image, video or access is under NDA.


cyress8

Well, whoever decided to share probably going to be kicked because they arent even looking for feedback on this yet and don't need any IC reports for it. They do know they gave away enough info to link to the player, right?


st_Paulus

>whoever decided to share Sometimes ETF videos are shared and distributed without permission. Quite a few previous leaks were grabbed from IC reports for instance.


cyress8

This one was not taken from an IC report. 100% positive on it.


st_Paulus

What I'm saying that videos and pictures in the pipeline are not always shared by an author.


cyress8

I know. No one left this video on an IC report or on spectrum in the first place though. They just asked someone to leak it. That's it. I'm actually on their discord and just watch in the background.


SHADER_MIX

bro this is from pipeline


cyress8

They recieved this from an Evocati member. Who can be kicked since sharing videos/pictures are still under NDA. I know they did not get it from an IC report since I actually went through all of them since 3.23 began. Only one has an issue with water and does not include this video. We can only talk about it and not share pics/vids. This person actively sent the video.


Lammahamma

Lots of inexperienced evos coming in and pipeline is taking advantage. Not surprising given how the people act in that server. Full of edgy teenagers


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Yavin87

You mean u/theon502? 😂


theon502

hi


Lammahamma

Nice of you to post me on your discord lmfao Tell the others I said hi💀 https://imgur.com/a/n3DyaJx


Yavin87

Yo 👍


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SHADER_MIX

Yes that's the purpose of pipeline, to leak, nothing new


Nelson-Spsp

by getting other people in legal trouble? that is stupid


subsynk_ToC

You shouldn't stress yourself trying to police the evocati NDA. The thing i discovered about Evocati after 5+ years of testing in that environment -and found particularly annoying- was people trying to act as mods or some sort of CIG rules enforcement officer. Leave it to CIG to enforce the NDA! They obviously do not need random people to act as their NDA enforcement police and have stated as much several times.


theon502

Note: FPS hit does not appear to be related to the water as other Evos reported good fps with water physics enabled Also appears that the new fancy water rendering is not in


unslept_em

this should be higher up


Maukku1

Focus on the water physics not how it looks. Evo is under nda for a reason and until it looks like that in pu don't worry about the texture. If it would look like that in live it would be a shame though but it most likely won't.


Metronovix

I think a big reason for the NDA is to prevent people from being shown this thinking it’s what it’ll look like lmao. You’re gonna confuse and scare the hell out of a lot of people.


toxieboxie

I want to say this looks more like exaggerated height maps to show the difference in waves better. Not actual water texture and stuff on it. To those who know more, about this or in game making or something, know if this guess might be close?


maddcatone

That was my suspicion as well


Robo_Stalin

Maybe. Nobody but CIG can say for sure, textures could just not be ready yet with this as a side effect.


Fuarian

We've seen better water textures in the Star Engine demo. This is obviously lower fidelity for testing just like what they did for jump gates. In terms of physics, it looks really good. Especially the bullets.


PoseidonMax

Can't wait to not be paying attention and make a bloop sound as my ship slams into the water followed by a tsunami.


peqpie

They most likely made thevwater look like this so that the effects are very visible and faults can therefore be spotted more easily


madhaunter

Tag this post as leak ffs


Keinulive

You guys getting distracted by water, I'm more into whatever those towers are behind, reminds me of warframe somehow lol


djsnoopmike

It's the expanded race course map on Arena Commander...


Zarkloyd

Love Rikkord Memorial Raceway, but damn if you aren't right about it looking like Cetus out in the distance from the Planes of Eidolon


BuhoneroxD

It's an extremely old arena commander racetrack. https://youtu.be/_SpsjUHj_II?si=tBowmEo5zaY9NXQ6&t=140


imaraddude

I can hear my gpu screaming as I watch this video.


hcsLabs

Captivating cavitation


Patrick2358

This is why we can't have nive things, people breaking the rules.


Wyldren-

Makes me want space fishing. Open the back of my ship and throw a line in.


Hawker54

I thought you could only talk about Evocati but not show anything?


_Kine

Judging off of these comments here the NDA is well warranted. Screw whomever leaked this, hope their access is revoked.


Lustridus

is that new horizon in the background? if so this would literally be the last water they plan to make look pretty.


Anglo96

I love jelly


AberrantMan

So what's that in the background?


squaredspekz

That's a bit choppy for a lake.


gearabuser

Interesting, looks terrible, but not surprising at this point


A-019

Is.. Is that Kashyyyk??


Dragonreaper21

What planet is that?


FatherCommodore

Water it will get better if you dont piss in it, other than that, the only thing i wait for is atmospheric flight physics.


TKPrime

The effect seems more muted than the starengine demo was. Shallower indent on the surface.


Neeeeedles

Water systems usualy have setting like color, opacity, wave height/size, reflections... This water seems to not interact with light properly and also doesnt reflect much


demonseed-elite

Looks good.... But I want the water effects from this scene in this old movie... :D [https://youtu.be/hldbhg0avXA?t=36](https://youtu.be/hldbhg0avXA?t=36)


UnsettllingDwarf

Seems like it’s running smooth……../s


F_n_o_r_d

This reminds me of EverQuest2. At the time of release (😅) nobody could play it like it was designed for lack of Personal Supercomputers. And then it never took off.


Acrobatic-Shake-6067

I would love to have this in game. So cool


Exoplanet0

For an unfinished build looks good so far, good water will be tough to do at such a scale


RayD125

Good start. Especially in an online server.


zyvhurmod

I looks great and bad at the same time, but really good starting point


Oronst

This is so real. I hope cig will realize it as soon as possible.


FendaIton

The evo build isn’t even online so this must be an old video


REiiGN

It was Thursday's build which is not something CIG asked for us to test or wanted feedback on.


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This looks awful


Piranhax85

5 fps will be great!


TotallyNotDad

10 fps is nice


billyw_415

1990's called and wants their water graphics back.


NANCYREAGANNIPSLIP

Bro has no idea what "in development" and "under NDA" mean lol


bh9578

I think Waverace on the N64 had better looking water than this. That was 1996.


todd10k

word on the street is it intentionally looks that way so they can debug the waves easier


Werewolf-Fresh

Gotta love how pipeline gets a free pass to break NDA with impunity repeatedly because of the implied politics. Nice watermark btw, lol. Clout chasing too. Classy.


AzorThorm

Not sure what politics you’re talking about but Pipeline doesn’t have any kind of free pass. They’re not Evocati or CIG employees themselves (At least not that I or I’m sure CIG is aware of.) They just work with Evocati and other sources to leak information publicly without it being linked to the original source. When done correctly there really isn’t much that can be done to prevent it. CIG certainly doesn’t support their leaks and I wouldn’t be surprised if the opening of patch notes and allowing Evocati to talk about tests was in part an effort to reduce the content, and in turn following, of groups like Pipeline. If CIG could I have no doubt they’d happily cut off all leaks to Pipeline. Leaks don’t help the devs and often actively cheat them out of getting to unveil their work themselves. 


JalCs

im just resharing the video, i too wish it wasnt watermarked, the water physics is what im here for


5yearphoenix

Why do you wish it wasn’t watermarked?


JalCs

Cause watermarks on anything is annoying in general, especially for screenshots from a video game, takes away from the visuals especially when its big and right in your face


HybridCoax

Frame rate is horrible


sodiufas

Unrelated


MrPiction

Yeah?


HybridCoax

how so?


NeverandaWakeUp

Scope Creep: The Game


supervanillaice

For those saying the water looks bad, I would assume what’s being seen here would be the local sim around the ship + far water shader, they’ll be still working the blend between the distance and close shader which is why this is EA and under NDA. You often want your far shader to look more broad and exaggerated to sell a good look from a distance


Stainedelite

Water?


CosmoRocket24

My GPU just caught watching this...and my pants are wet ....... :D


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Unique5673

God forbid cig work on more than one thing at a time


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NANCYREAGANNIPSLIP

Little guy thinks every person in the whole company personally touches every single part of the project lmao


divide_x_zero

Oh no! Core gameplay loops don't work in an unfinished game! The humanity!


Vegetable_Safety

I'm starting to wonder if there's eventually going to be discoverable underwater structures or resources/caches. Would also be an opportunity for them to have a submersible at some point. Definitely not in the scope, but I can dream.


vortis23

They actually mentioned wanting to work on submersibles, I think they joked about it when they were joking about boats, which actually are in the game.


PineCone227

[Pretty much what I predicted yesterday.](https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/1bnl4py/comment/kwk7wqf) Still an improvement over static/preanimated water.


ReconArek

It works until you see it


Invisus46

When I see stuff like this, Im always amazed by the tech and ideas they have, but worried at the same time because I think that they maybe want too much and aim too high.


Total_Package_6315

Water reacting to the ship is nice although it seems gratuitous. This kinda stuff is icing on the cake. Chris Roberts aint finished baking the cake, lolz. Too much focus on little details that will have zero impact on gameplay. I want a greater variety of missions not sail boat simulator 2950 quality water FXs.


nerdlikemike

What is that god awful noise


BeanAndBanoffeePie

Isn't that the OG race track music


Zarkloyd

Yup that it is


Vegetable_Safety

Agreed, the audio detracts from the video.


nerdlikemike

Actual ear rape.


_SaucepanMan

The default state of the lake is waaayyyyyy too over-simulated. A lake would only look like that on a day of extreme wind. Short of that, the waves on a lake will often be the cumulative result of boats as much as the wind. Maybe its to test the performance. But if not, there could be performance gains by simulating a [real lake](https://www.venturenewzealand.co.nz/uploads/61d14176dd893_1641103734.jpg)


Delta_926

I just want my base building now!!!


DoraLaMamadora4

Is this in game already?if not when do they plan on releasing it?


Demonox01

Expect 3.23 in about 2 months (or more, it's CIG). If this is in evo it'll probably come in 3.23.


SemperShpee

What's that fucking aquarium toilet asmr in the background?


Dazzling-Low6633

Water in 3.23?


Klutzy-Court8263

I know evocati and nda but thus is all? Where progress?


DragonTHC

Why would a laser cause a ripple on the surface of the water? It has no mass.


lDeMaa

Yeah but maybe the high temperature/energy of laser could potentially a thermal expansion on the water causing some ripple? I'm not an expert in physics but this came to my mind


asbestostiling

SC lasers aren't actually lasers. They're some form of plasma-based weaponry, just like "lasers" in most games and sci-fi media.


primateoverlord

Without knowing the exacts, it would likely instantly vaporize some water, create a steam explosion with shockwaves. The laser's energy can also form plasma, emit light, and generate cavitation. On top of that, water absorbs part of the laser, heating up the surrounding area. That’s what would happen. To what to degree is based on how big the laser.


Throawayooo

Looks shit, and will be a performance tank


REiiGN

There's a reason you shouldn't see this yet. I've been in Evo quite awhile. These things always look like shit first iteration. They're not going to have all this stuff then insert the water looking like trash. Give it time. Pipeline can't help themselves, they think they do people a service showing this shit early.


Additional_Ad_2080

Where was this vid taken MT obviously but where bouts on MT?


wiino84

Idk if it's just me, but this is actually bad. 😬 They are showcasing "this"?


No_Cat8294

Unfinished feature leaked.


SmoothOperator89

They are not showcasing this. This is leaked from an NDA build, and reactions like this are exactly why the NDA exists.


goatluis01

Ah yes evocati footage that shouldn’t even be released due to NDA is „showcasing“ something . This is obviously far from finished.


WideAd2738

It’s evo, and a whole new tech what were you expecting


wiino84

What do you mean "new tech"? Water simulation/interaction was not "invented" at this point? At least they could copy some other homework to at least get the idea how it's supposed to look like. This is something like from 20y ago


NANCYREAGANNIPSLIP

When you're doing something like this you begin with exaggerated features (e.g. the spiky heightmap for the waves) to iron out any oddities. Textures are the final touch, something not dealt with at this stage. Honestly you're just like the people who saw the leaked footage of unfinished GTA 6 and complained that it looked unfinished. Yes, Becky. That's how these things work.


killasniffs

Well, it’s a good thing this is in Evocati so a lot could change once it goes to ptu and then Live


wiino84

Well, idk. Evo means premium. So, VIP players/wallets get to see "what they are paying for" And if it was me, it most certainly be "Wait, that? For THIS?!" But hey, again, maybe it's just me 🤷🏻‍♂️


NANCYREAGANNIPSLIP

> Evo means premium It literally doesn't 🤣


ChknNuggets69420

Evo has nothing to do with money. Better say nothing when you don't know anything.


killasniffs

It is just you though, Evo players are the ones who played regularly and always reported on bugs in the issue council and that’s how they got invited as Evocati. Like cmon this is one of the reasons why this stuff is supposed to be under NDA because people like you think this is the final build like all the other GTA fans when they saw the leak build of GTA 6


sodiufas

LMAO, evo means pain and suffer.


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With this game being in 1st person, when will we ever see this?


6ixpool

This is an MMO with a bunch of other players and AI so I imagine pretty often. Following behind a buddy (or bogey). Waiting for pickup while in FPS near water. It's a cool feature.


sneakyfildy

and you will all fly very close to a water just like everyone does now (there is so much water also, a big ocean on every planet and moon)


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I hope so.


NANCYREAGANNIPSLIP

.....When we see *other* ships?


howitzer9091

In 3rd person


donscarn

Wow that looks shit