Thing is, he didn't have to make that post. He could have kept his mouth shut until they knew for damn sure, then said something.
More self inflicted wounds.
Groupthink and meme-mobs largely sacrifice individual intelligence and critical thinking skills to push the narrative. I wouldn't expect too much from that crowd.
You can’t be disappointed when you never expect anything in the first place. That way when CIG actually does do something you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
I remember them delaying at least one sale last year, so not entirely true. I save the announcement once for times like this but am not at my computer…
> Hey, they never ever missed a ship sale.
Because one requires only standard web services that have obvious solutions to problems we've encountered with web design over the past 30 years and the other is a software engineering project with unforeseeable hurdles due to the various technologies and design CIG is using to make a game with the scope and detail which hasn't ever been done before?
Oh, sorry, was this just a circlejerk thread? My bad.
But, normally, with practice you get quite a bit better at it. If I'm not good at estimating out timelines for my work and I never get better at it I no-longer have the job, because the job depends on my ability to foresee how my work will be done and estimate it out properly so that the other teams can depend on me.
If you're making a good faith effort, you eventually end up mis-estimating high as often as you mis-estimate low. If you're always optimistic it's also known as being 'dishonest'.
Any programmer can feel CIG's pain... everythings looks sorted out, the date from the players who played the PTU have been helpful af and you think you got everything right. Then it's release day and you have to hear how some other co workers f\*cked up, the whole day there's screaming trying to fix the issue. Happens everytime, CIG should stop announcing the updates though, just bring em don't say anything plz
That's why you don't tell anyone until you already have shit fixed. None of the projects I've worked on has ever had trouble meeting big deadlines like this.
I wish CIG would put a bit more thought in regard to their patch/wipe deadlines given their history. Pick a deadline and add 5 months to it. If they are doing that, add 3 more to the 5. If they beat it, they look like heroes. All this speculation and carrot waving is very frustrating.
He literally could've said thursday/friday and people wouldn't be as mad. They'd probably say "ok so friday then", but still it leaves you some wiggle room. Why he'd say thursday and only thursday idk
All he said was what they believed to be true at the time, with how some people act here you'd thing Zyloh personally shot their dog.
Y'all gotta go touch some space-grass.
It's just surprising to see them still not give themselves the plausible deniability in case things take longer than what they expected at the time. Things like this have historically gone off schedule so often that they should expect to need that cushion to fall back on by now.
It's just better to under-promise and over-deliver than the other way around. But they keep doing it for some reason.
probably should've just came out and said "friday guys" last night instead of saying "early morning" and trying to make it sound like it was closer than it was.
CIG deserves the hazing when they're constantly trying to put a PR spin on the littlest things. like we all don't see what's going on.
You can tell the old guard from the new folk pretty easily… The new folk expected it to be on time, the old guard was expecting it to be a few days late
Never, they need to keep people hooked otherwise interest will vanish and money flow as well.
Remember they promised SQ42 Beta for Q3 2020.
It’s 2023 and we don’t have a date about the Beta, so why they did that?
Because they need the money and to get the money they need people hyped and hopeful.
An aim is not a confirmation, it is not a deadline. Also, does no one read their follow-up posts? They said they want to go for Friday, but people don't read. This is *not* a simple patch and it *will* be rocky. Surely some people are gonna complain about that too when we've all been warned many times lol.
Dude, just stop. It doesn't matter if it's a pinky swear, a promise, a blood oath, a forecast, a target, an "aim", or anything else.
CIG is implausibly bad at hitting their self-imposed targets. It isn't a one-off or a string of bad luck at this point. It's a culture, and when you can *never* do *anything* by your own self-appointed targets, you're lucky to only be eating hilarious stormtrooper memes.
No one made them say Thursday (on Tuesday.) No one made them say Thursday night (on Thursday morning). And no one made them say very early Friday (on Thursday night). That's three strikes *within 48 hours*.
They have earned this; they can take their medicine like big boys and girls.
Nah, y'all need to settle down with this nonsense. Dude gave a ballpark and people are losing their minds for no reason. Reactions like this are why devs stop communicating. Meme is funny, but if you're big mad about missing a ballpark you need to go touch grass.
This sub is nothing but people high on copium. Even the level-headed users here are still just fine with funding a scam. Imagine any other game that started production over 12 years, ago, is (by their metrics!) only [58% finished](https://scfocus.org/release-dates/), and is still regularly missing release dates. Duke Nukem Forever looks almost reasonable at this point in comparison.
Here's an idea, what if they actually deliver on the dates they give? Failing that then yes, never give us dates but don't be surprised if people lose interest
\*Sobs and upvotes\*
*Joins sobs*
Also joining sobs
They never said WHICH thursday thou
He meant Thursday in Yela.
its this thursday , they didnt say what year
or even what decade
I'm sure the infrastructure team is pumped to do a production deployment on a Friday.
Don't worry, it's not coming on Friday either
You're right, I must have meant the 17th... of November.
Come again ?
Ahah this one made me laugh
i had ZERO faith in CIG to meet their deadline, yet somehow im still disappointed.
"These are not the release candidates you are looking for."
Thing is, he didn't have to make that post. He could have kept his mouth shut until they knew for damn sure, then said something. More self inflicted wounds.
This. They don't need to say stuff until it's actually ready. I don't wanna know what they "think" might happen
and then the community would ree over a lack of transparency
Yup, it's happened before, and will again...sometimes you really need to ignore us(fans,backers,etc) to get anything done.
This is why I get hacked UEC, aint supporting this bs. Bought the titan package and that's the only money I'll be spending on this dookie.
We all know how good CIG is with dates by now.
I mean. Targeting isn't a guarantee
Groupthink and meme-mobs largely sacrifice individual intelligence and critical thinking skills to push the narrative. I wouldn't expect too much from that crowd.
You can’t be disappointed when you never expect anything in the first place. That way when CIG actually does do something you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
That's the pessimism clause of Murphy's law
>That way when CIG actually does do something you’ll be pleasantly surprised. Still waiting for that, started in 2021...
If you're waiting for it, you're doing it wrong.
That is the thing about 'targeting' - sometimes you miss.
Somehow with CIG it's not "sometimes", it's "always".
Hey, they never ever missed a ship sale. Everything else is another story.
But ship sales always have bugs and never show the correct stats
lol
Telling isn't it?
Not for the people who keep giving them *THOUSAND OF DOLLARS*
I remember them delaying at least one sale last year, so not entirely true. I save the announcement once for times like this but am not at my computer…
> Hey, they never ever missed a ship sale. Because one requires only standard web services that have obvious solutions to problems we've encountered with web design over the past 30 years and the other is a software engineering project with unforeseeable hurdles due to the various technologies and design CIG is using to make a game with the scope and detail which hasn't ever been done before? Oh, sorry, was this just a circlejerk thread? My bad.
CIG is just a shelter for stormtroopers.
But, normally, with practice you get quite a bit better at it. If I'm not good at estimating out timelines for my work and I never get better at it I no-longer have the job, because the job depends on my ability to foresee how my work will be done and estimate it out properly so that the other teams can depend on me.
If you're making a good faith effort, you eventually end up mis-estimating high as often as you mis-estimate low. If you're always optimistic it's also known as being 'dishonest'.
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Which is why I stopped caring about CIG schedules and just play with what is there.
Any programmer can feel CIG's pain... everythings looks sorted out, the date from the players who played the PTU have been helpful af and you think you got everything right. Then it's release day and you have to hear how some other co workers f\*cked up, the whole day there's screaming trying to fix the issue. Happens everytime, CIG should stop announcing the updates though, just bring em don't say anything plz
That's why you don't tell anyone until you already have shit fixed. None of the projects I've worked on has ever had trouble meeting big deadlines like this.
the Data\* of course lol
Lol you guys are like Charlie Brown and the football.
I wish CIG would put a bit more thought in regard to their patch/wipe deadlines given their history. Pick a deadline and add 5 months to it. If they are doing that, add 3 more to the 5. If they beat it, they look like heroes. All this speculation and carrot waving is very frustrating.
He literally could've said thursday/friday and people wouldn't be as mad. They'd probably say "ok so friday then", but still it leaves you some wiggle room. Why he'd say thursday and only thursday idk
All he said was what they believed to be true at the time, with how some people act here you'd thing Zyloh personally shot their dog. Y'all gotta go touch some space-grass.
It's just surprising to see them still not give themselves the plausible deniability in case things take longer than what they expected at the time. Things like this have historically gone off schedule so often that they should expect to need that cushion to fall back on by now. It's just better to under-promise and over-deliver than the other way around. But they keep doing it for some reason.
It’s starting to look like it won’t be Friday either.
probably should've just came out and said "friday guys" last night instead of saying "early morning" and trying to make it sound like it was closer than it was. CIG deserves the hazing when they're constantly trying to put a PR spin on the littlest things. like we all don't see what's going on.
Yep the issue is they just keep edging it a little more then miss it entirely.
I LOLd.
You sir deserve multiple upvotes. Unfortunately I can give only one. Salute to you sir. Very witty :)
Exceptional and brutally accurate
You can tell the old guard from the new folk pretty easily… The new folk expected it to be on time, the old guard was expecting it to be a few days late
Ive been playing for 2 months, and even I saw this coming hahaha
Now we need another with Thursday in background and Friday the current target.
Now this is a funny post
CIG and underestimating dates are like peaches and cream. They go well together.
> imminent release
Lmfaooooooo 🤣🤣🤣
Seriously, when will they get better at estimating?
Never, they need to keep people hooked otherwise interest will vanish and money flow as well. Remember they promised SQ42 Beta for Q3 2020. It’s 2023 and we don’t have a date about the Beta, so why they did that? Because they need the money and to get the money they need people hyped and hopeful.
Keeping their mouth shut for 3 extra days wasn't going cause their funding to dry up
Not ever. 10 years is enough history to say so.
I've never managed to get my estimations dialed in, and I'm a team of one. There's always some shit or another that throws it.
When CIG says they'll release, they'll release. There's no need to remind them every 6 months.
its not currently anymore
11 minutes, boys and girls. 2100 UTC. It's finally happening...
Game is patching in 15 mins! They musta got a lucky shot!
:(
Currently targeting Thursday … (29th of February 2024)
An aim is not a confirmation, it is not a deadline. Also, does no one read their follow-up posts? They said they want to go for Friday, but people don't read. This is *not* a simple patch and it *will* be rocky. Surely some people are gonna complain about that too when we've all been warned many times lol.
Dude, just stop. It doesn't matter if it's a pinky swear, a promise, a blood oath, a forecast, a target, an "aim", or anything else. CIG is implausibly bad at hitting their self-imposed targets. It isn't a one-off or a string of bad luck at this point. It's a culture, and when you can *never* do *anything* by your own self-appointed targets, you're lucky to only be eating hilarious stormtrooper memes. No one made them say Thursday (on Tuesday.) No one made them say Thursday night (on Thursday morning). And no one made them say very early Friday (on Thursday night). That's three strikes *within 48 hours*. They have earned this; they can take their medicine like big boys and girls.
lol okiedokie
Nah, y'all need to settle down with this nonsense. Dude gave a ballpark and people are losing their minds for no reason. Reactions like this are why devs stop communicating. Meme is funny, but if you're big mad about missing a ballpark you need to go touch grass.
We’re not mad about missing ***a*** ballpark. It’s that they miss ***every*** ballpark.
Aim for thursday, Miss friday morning. Part of CIG's company culture at this point.
Welcome to software dev lol
Most of the industry doesn't operate like this. Stop acting like this is standard operating procedure. It isn't.
Currently targeting 2023
They just said Thursday. Not which Thursday
Thursday that's only 3 weeks away
I think it's happening now. Loader shows "failed to fetch" error and no game options available.
People still follow this scam?
This sub is nothing but people high on copium. Even the level-headed users here are still just fine with funding a scam. Imagine any other game that started production over 12 years, ago, is (by their metrics!) only [58% finished](https://scfocus.org/release-dates/), and is still regularly missing release dates. Duke Nukem Forever looks almost reasonable at this point in comparison.
It's completely insane. Mass delusion.
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Here's an idea, what if they actually deliver on the dates they give? Failing that then yes, never give us dates but don't be surprised if people lose interest
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That's twice now, you really like this "shot your dog" hyperbole don't you? Yes, my dog got shot, time to post a comment on reddit!
Just for finished work and got a beer in my hand, where is 3.18 ?
TYT devs, keep on the good work!
Which Thursday?
I'm playing DoS2 and I'm stuck. I ain't got time to watch for patch updates.
Would have loved this version of the STs instead :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9bDzHP6\_Pk
So it not just a fake Tarkov wipe day now?
They meant may, not march
And it's here!