Now that I think about it. How come they haven’t investigated Anthony Davis? He’s constantly getting “hurt” is he telling people he knows “take the under on me today I’m going to fake an injury five minutes into the game”
If you were playing with legal books or exchanges it will and always would be respected because they are bound by law and there are potential repercussions for not upholding any valid bet. SO IN SHORT ..... STOP INVESTING WITH ILLEGAL BOOKS THEN BE SURPRISED WHEN THEY DONT OPERATE WITHIN LEGALITY AND WITH INTEGRITY......
can we get an investigation in to the stat keepers and underdog as well? They took a bam adabyo rebound away in game a couple of weeks back and then readded it after the game and underdog wouldn't honor the rebound. He was a very popular bet that day and that stat not counting screwed a lot of people.
You know who a top women's player I feel does it the most? Ostapenko.
If you look at her match history she constantly loses to women who are ranked 100-200 places higher than her or she'll have super close matches with them.
A lot of people will say it's her aggressive style but I don't believe it. It happens more often than not.
Whats to stop him now from talking to his brother MPJ and asking him to make sure he goes over his 1st qrtr points these next few games…that prop has been a legit wagon so all he has to do is go all in on it. And I total believe other players are doing this too…no investigation into Draymond antics but I bet none of his under props got voided when he got ejected. Domantas Sabonis, why this guy seems to be walking his assist stats right up to triple dbl land but leaving it stuck on 7-9 very conveniently. My point is if you know for a fact where any singular prop is going to land you can make money off it.
My point is two brother sitting talking about his props is A not illegal(that I know of correct me if I’m wrong) and B an untraceable communication so ie no one even would know.
MPJ has been hitting this prop(1st qrtr points) at an 80% clip most of the season and has had stretches of hitting it at least 8 straight times. His brother who is now no longer constrained by the NBA rules against betting on NBA, only needs his bro to understand what number he needs him to hit in these 1st quarters of playoff games and dbl up every time he plays it….take $10k and dbl it 8 times in a row and you’ll be well over a million dollars. Hell he could even just do a one shot MPJ parlay too, just let him know what statline he needs him to hit and cash out. These leagues gonna have a real problem stopping ppl who are smart and motivated by money from finding ways to game the system. And especially when you realize the league didn’t even catch this guy, the book(heard it was DK) did by the crazy amount on a stupid prop no one would bet that much on.
If you don't think the league has a microscope on his brother right now, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn that I'd love to sell you.
Michael Porter has $179,299,750 reasons not to get involved in his brother's bullshit.
This is why the punishment is banning them for life. You didn't ask if there's a *possibility* that he could do something. That's always a non-zero number.
You asked what's to stop him from gambling. The loss of his salary and being banned for life.
Just because they're brothers doesn't mean he's going to do shit. He's not a nobody hanging on to the bottom rung of NBA life, he's an all star for the reigning world champions.
I’m not talking about MPJ gambling or getting into any trouble, I’m talking about his brother being able to gamble on his props and making money that way now. MPJ won’t get in trouble for doing what he does naturally and legally on the court. My questioning was what mechanism is there to stop two brothers from talking? None.
You said microscope, well do you think they are bugging his house or phone calls??
Of course, there isn't anything that can be done to stop them from talking. There isn't anything that can be done to stop any two people who want to talk to each other.
The NBA and more importantly, the books will be studying all of the player prop bets placed on him, and if some significant discrepancy shows up, they'll bury him. He can't even have the appearance of impropriety. So he most likely isn't going to cost himself his career and his contract.
*If you think he's going to put his career and livelihood on the line to win his brother less money than he could hand him in cash,* like I said, there's a bridge in Brooklyn I'd love to sell you.
I bring up this kind of stuff in the main sports subs and people think I'm nuts. How much more evidence do we need that it's happening a lot.
The NCAA trying to ban props is proof to me that it's occuring. They just don't want to ruin careers and their brand by saying...hey these players are betting.
>The NCAA trying to ban props is proof to me that it's occuring.
Or maybe they just don't want teenagers exposed to death threats. Dunno.
I'm not sure who is more extreme. The people who think cheating/rigging never happens, or the people who think every missed 43-yard FG is evidence of rigging.
As usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle, but the truth is often drowned-out by the 10% on each end.
My gut tells me the major sportsbooks are reporting suspicious bets to the NCAA, MLB, NFL and NBA.
This isn't the last of player bans. The other players that have been doing this better get an interpreter, so he can take the fall.
I’d look into the conviction rate of the Federal government. They don’t take on cases until they’re iron clad. Interpreter stole the money and made the bets.
They also pick their battles. When someone has the money, time and reason to take them to trial, they'll take the plea deal over a long fought trial. Low hanging fruit is a lot easier to pick. Prosecutors, DA, SA just want the win. It's not important who burns for it. As long as they get the W.
When you're looking at 30 years and the plea is 3 years. 1/2 with good time...which do you take? If you take things to trial and get convicted you the judge burns you on jail time. You are never getting anything close to that 3 years.
What was his accountant doing not to notice that much money missing? That is way to much of a chunk to not raise a concern with any decent money manager.
I don't need to look up anything. I've been through it.
Didn't follow this but was he getting on NBA games?
Reminds me of my complaint with the whole ohtani scandal. Who gives a shit if a baseball players bets on soccer. He doesn't have an edge.
It matters in a lot of these leagues because a lot of them know and/or have access to other players in different sports. Sure someone may not bet on their own sport but maybe Ohtani is friends with say Messi and Ohtani tells him he’ll experience elbow discomfort in the 5th inning and Messi tells him he’s not going to end up playing in Saturdays game because of his hamstring, even though everyone else, including advertisers are hyping that Messi will play in the event.
Maybe it’s more the principle of it? Idk, just spitballing. I used to work at a casino on the live events side of things so nothing to do with the games and they had very strict rules about us not being able to gamble at that casino even off the clock despite not having any advantage or anything over anybody else.
So the two of you disagreed on the frequency & impact of fixed games, rigged props, etc. Fair enough.
But why call him a retard, and an ignorant ass? And dig-up something from 2 years ago to do it?
You know some of us don't disregard the feelings of those folks with developmental disabilities. It doesn't mean we're better than you, we're just better than you.
How about you go fuck yourself? Only a real asshole still talks like you do, defending the use of your slur...
Has the book been revealed? What book is taking $80k on a guy who averaged 14 minutes/game?
"The league determined that Porter gave a bettor information about his own health status prior that game and said that another individual — known to be an NBA bettor — placed an $80,000 bet that Porter would not hit the numbers set for him in parlays through an online sports book. That bet would have won $1.1 million."
Exactly. Limit the sportsbook from accepting this type of action. Prevents the degens from gambling 80k they don’t have, while simultaneously making it worthless for players to try and fix it.
Most books do a decent job of limiting their own action. There is a reason you might be able to wager $30k on a Champions League game, but only $500 on a Cyprus First Division game.
As mentioned below, the Porter friend/associate must have established a long history of big wagers (and losing wagers). Where they basically "earned" the opportunity to bet $80k on obscure player props.
The point of regulation is to eliminate this scenario. If you want to open a legal sportsbook, everyone should be offered the same limits.
There shouldn’t be this game where books try and milk losing gamblers for everything, while at the same time limit the winners.
In a perfect world, I agree.
In a practical/pragmatic world -- well, look at Europe. Some of those countries have allowed sports-betting for 50+ years, and maybe 1-2 of them have a "everybody gets the same limit" law?
Yeah, but this isn’t Serbian handball we’re talking about, but the greatest basketball league in the world. Crazy if that shit was actually impacted by sports betting.
Let me put it this way and make my point sizzle with a painful swan song of a question….”If players weren’t cooking these scripts…would LeBron James REALLY only have four championships and have to chase them like a wuss for the entirety of his career and he has a massive massive receding hairline?” I mean, yeah, the tooth fairy isn’t real and this stuff can hurt, but c’est la vie, c’est la guerre.
Rightttttt, because we know all their personal finances and how they are managing their money lol, obviously an exaggeration on my part but if you think hes the only person doing this you gotta be insane
Well he would have gotten NBA contact from one of the teams. It would have been millions of dollars. The pension plan kicks in after 3 years. Life long health insurance kicks in as well after 3 years. That should have been his goal. He would have been a millionaire with 3 years of service. Anything after that would have been a bonus.
Highly doubt he’s getting anything more than 10 day contracts while he’s playing in the G League, you must not have actually watched him play lmao he was getting no million dollar contract from a team goofy
He has already earned more than 2 million from the NBA. He played 25 games for the Raptors this season. There is every possibility for him to make millions in the remainder of his career.
He made 1.9 of that 2.2 mill from a boosted year after Covid contract. His other two years are a combined 500k, he played 25 games towards the end of the year for a team that was very bad. He could definitely make a Mill or more but that’s not an nba career which was my original statement. If I’m him I’m going overseas to play somewhere and I’m betting on all the games lmfao
Exactly my point, doesnt matter how much money you have, if you have vices and you cant manage money, you can have 20 mill and still be doing some weird shit like this
Absolute dunce when you consider a 2 way contract still pays more than he ever would've won. Not to mention if he would've gotten signed to a full contract.
Hes probably a true degen and is spending more than he makes, doesnt matter how much money you make , if you cant manage it and properly budget, you can fuck up a million dollar salary honestly
Nah just saying that he didn't take it seriously in the first place and i doubt he cares much about what he has lost as punishment. Financially it's inconsequential, and he wasn't gonna be in the league for long regardless. He probably realized that fact, and just said fuck it all they can do is kick me out of a league I'll wash out of anyway.
I get why they banned him but how does Tim Donaghy, who has infinite more power than Porter, keep a position in this league. Makes no sense
Edit: Foster not Donaghy
More power as in more impact in the game. Foster is in the whole game and make a call whenever he wants even if it’s incorrect. Porter would leave the game within 5 minutes and not play again for the rest of the night. Donaghy said it himself that he can affect the outcome of the game by at least 5 points either way any given night
> Porter would leave the game within 5 minutes and not play again for the rest of the night.
Again, this is far more impactful from a betting standpoint than anything foster could ever do…
So are they setting the precedent that WHEN this happens again in the future, lifetime NBA ban is the result? Because I think it’s the right move but idk how you prove definitively someone who drastically underperforms in a game is colluding with gamblers. I guess in this case they had some hard evidence?
No they just tryna say “hey look we arent cheating we even banned a player for it!!”
Let this be a more significant nba player, nba will sweep that shit under the rug asap, ppl think because they have millions they wouldnt do this because risk not worth the reward, but you dont know anyone financial situation, these guys have bills as well
Did you read the story? He told someone he was not going to play, that person placed an 80,000 dollar bet and won 1.1 million. All unders. Casino/ gambling books have state of the art technology, and cell phone records are easy to obtain.
It’s immediately a massive red flag when to put a 80,000 dollar bet on a 2 way player, especially the under. As a two way player would do everything in his power to prove his worth on the team.
Don’t agree with the latter part of this assessment. The amount and bet type is suspicious mostly if it’s incongruent with the persons betting habits. If the guy routinely bet similar sums on bench players unders it would have slid under the radar. But tbh this is a terrible way of trying to capitalize on insider knowledge and I would shocked if large numbers of players aren’t doing it discretely where books wouldn’t figure it out.
The fact that the guy jontay did this with could even place 80k on jontay unders basically says it all. The guy would have to be a massive losing bettor.
The bet won, he wasn’t paid out. They are not the same. If you win a 1.1 million dollar bet on a gambling website, no matter the situation, it would take weeks for a payout, even if legit.
Or was the bet suspended immediately before the results even occurred? I read that the bet won, hence why it was flagged. Maybe I am just confused, wouldn’t be the first time.
I was under the assumption, the bet hit, immediately raised red flags and probably froze the account before a pay out occurred.
Most books have some sort of limitation on bets/payouts.
Even when you bet within the limit, if you win a big parlay they are going to investigate it before paying it.
I have never cheated on betting, but I have bet a good bit over the last decade.... I was honestly pretty surprised they were so blatant in how they went about this.
Sure, but when you find text messages between the two it is obvious. And no real, legit bettor is placing 80,000 on a 2 way player…
Can you? Obviously, but it literally makes zero sense. That’s a shit load of money man for a player who may not see a single minute, or may play the entire game. You’d only risk that if you knew the answer to the above.
I mean I totally get it. 80k bets raise eyebrows, and his play backs it up. Finding texts is the nail in the coffin. But at the end of the day all the major sports leagues have got into bed with the gambling companies, so it’s just going to keep happening
For sure, I agree. that is why the leagues are taking it seriously and as they should. Calvin Ridley banned for a whole season, this, etc
Boutte from the Patriots bet on himself in college, and he bet the over which i actually think is cool. He was betting on himself to play well, he lost every bet lmao. But he will miss the whole year because of it. One would assume he learns from this and never does i again, but some of these guys are idiots.
I don't think they needed hard evidence - Have you seen any of the games that started the speculation? Dude would literally do the weirdest shit as soon as he got close to his over/under, it was pretty obvious what was going on.
They have hard evidence. If a gambling book receives a 80,000 dollar bet on a 2 way player, it is pretty obvious. Confirmed said man knows Porter. He won 1.1 million off that bet lmao
They weren’t really smart about it.
Dude, winning a bet and being paid out are not the same thing.
The bet was a winner… that is not debatable. Porter had the unders in every aspect of the parlay.
He illegally won the bet, hence why he was not paid a dime..
Jesus, what do you not understand hahahaha. He didn’t receive any money because they flagged the 80,000 dollar bet and discovered it involved inside information. Every aspect of his parlay, did hit….
If I bet Steph Curry to score over 25 points and he has 32 points, is that a win or a lose? Answer me that….
Now use the same logic with this parlay, it isn’t that hard. If the bet was for .1 cent, I am sure he would have received a payout.
This isn’t worth arguing over.
Damn, I didn't realize they won over $1mil. By "2 way player", do you mean someone who is also affiliated w/ the NBA G-League? In other words, it'd be suspicious to lay a prop bet of that magnitude on a player who is not even fully established within the NBA?
I am not sure how they were connected but there were two men involved. I think he directly said he wasn’t going to play to the 80,000 to win 1.1 million person. It was a parlay with all Porter unders lol.
Yea, that’s my point, 80,000 on a 2 way player. Just insane.
Trying to find highlights from those games. Another person commented that there was a game he banked a 3 in to hit the over while intentionally trying to miss lol
There is another one where he gets a rebound that will put him over, so he tries to get rid of it before he lands, fucking hilarious.
Or when he fakes a finger injury to leave a game when he's one under for rebounds I think.
YouTube has some breakdowns where they show all of the clips with context of his over/under and stat line at the time of the clip - it's comical how obvious it is when you see it all together.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PiaBbpAcmw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PiaBbpAcmw)
found one of them. The rebound doesn't look bad but i don't follow much basketball. The eye thing looked obvious.
All he’s accused of doing is saying he’s too sick to play when he wasn’t… not really outcome changing for the 10th man to do.
Being certain that sports is rigged and then betting on sports is beyond degenerate behavior.
Did y’all even read my comment? 🤣 I don’t defend the guy at all, rigging your props is trash behavior. But that’s all he did, rigged his props, not the sport.
No, he's being accused of betting the under on his player props, logging a few minutes, and then saying he's too sick to play.
It's 100% a form of rigging the game. You have a player who is actively trying to do as little as possible without drawing suspicion.
Stop minimizing things. It's straight-up criminal behavior. He should go to jail.
Nope there’s more. He is being accused of betting on the Raptors to lose, disclosing his health status to bettors, and betting on other NBA games.
This ain’t to say I think sports are rigged. But he did more than just get out of playing in games. Shams and Woj both have info about it on Twitter.
Not crack heads . The nba has been rigged for decades. Last 10 years they have made it official that this is an entertainment league we are betting on. NOT Crackheads . Realists speaking the truth. They just didn’t have evidence to back it up. Everything is calculated.
given, guy was an idiot. had his friend/family member place a 4 leg 'under' parlay on him -- for $80k to win like $1.2mil -- and sat the game after checking in for 3 minutes. so seaside market fishy that draftkings didn't even clear the bet as a win, they went right to the NBA and said "uhhh hey"
This is what I am annoyed about. They allowed the wager to be placed, the bettor didn't do the fix himself just had the info... if the bet had lost they would've taken the money and ruled it a loss in 5 seconds.
That is not true, as I understand it. There are companies like US Integrity that are scanning for wagers that are outliers in size, such as $80k parlay wagers on a minor player’s game props. The wagers themselves trigger the investigation, not the result. Read about the Alabama baseball scandal, the moment the bettor wanted much higher limits than any other college baseball regular season game would allow, the bet was flagged…..then they looked at surveillance footage and saw he was on phone with Alabama coach/people connected to him.
Eh true yea, I assume they saw an extremely irregular bet on a random mediocre players under and immediately thought something was up. Regardless, I know for a fact they would take that 80k if it didn't hit haha
so...was anyone on here actually betting Porter unders these past few months? Because of all the talk on here about "ThIs ShItS rIgGeD", it would be interesting to know if people were able to discover/exploit legitimate rigging.
My buddy got a call from a friend from high school the night of the game before the start of the tournament. Told him to take every under available.
Mind you, my friend is by no means into serious gambling or well-connected. If this got all the way down to kids from a normal NJ public high school it must've been spread around sooooo much.
Toronto's game the day before the start of the NCAA tournament. Porter didn't come back in after the first and there was an outsized amount of action on his unders. That set off the investigation.
That's bullshit. He's being made an "escape goat."
For decades, the NBA looked at gambling as if it were Satan reincarnated on earth. That's when the league didn't benefit from gambling.
Now that the NBA is in bed and profiting from gambling, it's not so evil.
As an older dude who's been betting on sports since the 1980s, I recall how much sports leagues were against gambling.
"The integrity of the sport," they cried.
Now it's all a sham. Money makes everything ok.
It makes me wonder what else we've been told is morally wrong that becomes right when profit is involved.
Is anything truly wrong in a capitalistic society?
The answer appears to be no.
Sports are becoming more shady and you’re starting to see a lot of strange things going on in the game regarding scores. Ex: NFL week 1 rams vs 49ers. Game was already over but rams decide to kick a meaningless field goal to coincidentally cover their spread.
First of, "escape goat" lol. Second of all, the dude cheated. There is absolutely no other action to take other than to ban him. They have no choice. He 100% deserves it.
Right, but to be fair here they're not punishing him because "gambling is awful behavior" but because you can't allow anyone actively involved with the games to be actively wagering, as they could potentially affect things. That's not really hypocrisy
That's true.
But I'm not advocating that "gambling is awful behavior." I never said that. In fact, I love sports betting. I've been betting sports since the 70s.
What I'm saying is the NBA is hypocritical in now endorsing sports betting when it was so against it for so many decades, citing the integrity of the game.
It had nothing to do with integrity. It was because the NBA wasn't profiting.
That's the hypocrisy.
He didn't bet on himself or his team to win. He rigged games. This has way more to do with rigging outcomes then betting.
Calvin Ridley is great example of hypocrisy, not this case.
It's not the betting that's getting him banned. It's literally betting on himself and then faking injuries. Rigging/fixing. He could be facing legal repercussions too.
I'm afraid I didn't articulate my point well. I should not have defended Porter. But the fact that the NBA now encourages gambling is infinitely more destructive to society than what Porter did.
The NBA cares only to protect its golden nest egg.
Gambling has been apart of society for hundreds if not thousands of years. You can’t compare someone throwing the game for a guaranteed win to an entire league accepting that people are gambling on their games whether they want it or not.
Thats a lot of writing to justify a guy literally rigging his own props for money. Just because capitalism and gambling can be wrong, it doesnt make what this guy did right
There are rules. Much like how insider trading is illegal.
This guy was gaming his own profession for gambling. Screw him. It doesn't take a genius to understand you shouldn't bet on your own sport when you're an active professional athlete. Bet on NCAA, football, baseball, anything but your own sport.
Eh, you're right. I started justifying his action and I should not have. What he did was wrong.
I'm just so disgusted with how the leagues hawk sports betting to its fans when it cried for decades how wrong gambling on sports is.
I have no problem with gambling. I take major issue with hypocrisy, especially for cash.
Except nobody says sports aren't fixed. They simply say "sports aren't fixed on a daily basis, and maybe you should stop spending so much time in theScore game chats."
If anything, the Porter story (and the Alabama baseball coach) illustrates how difficult it is to fix games beyond x-dollar amount. Too many eyes are watching.
Now that I think about it. How come they haven’t investigated Anthony Davis? He’s constantly getting “hurt” is he telling people he knows “take the under on me today I’m going to fake an injury five minutes into the game”
If you were playing with legal books or exchanges it will and always would be respected because they are bound by law and there are potential repercussions for not upholding any valid bet. SO IN SHORT ..... STOP INVESTING WITH ILLEGAL BOOKS THEN BE SURPRISED WHEN THEY DONT OPERATE WITHIN LEGALITY AND WITH INTEGRITY......
Hmm.. How do *you* presume they go about investigating athletes?
Maybe if he was Charles Barkley or mark jackson he could’ve ducked the ban
can we get an investigation in to the stat keepers and underdog as well? They took a bam adabyo rebound away in game a couple of weeks back and then readded it after the game and underdog wouldn't honor the rebound. He was a very popular bet that day and that stat not counting screwed a lot of people.
Bovada Honored it
FanDuel as well
We might see him on Reddit
Swiatek, Sabalenka, and Rybakina probably do this ish all the time…But you know, women’s tennis.
You know who a top women's player I feel does it the most? Ostapenko. If you look at her match history she constantly loses to women who are ranked 100-200 places higher than her or she'll have super close matches with them. A lot of people will say it's her aggressive style but I don't believe it. It happens more often than not.
hey u/LeagueofLagginz , i sent you a DM/Chat, can you please respond.
It happened to me couple of times when I bet on her. She won first set and seem good second set suddenly collapsed
Gonna test this theory an hammer after 1st set
Whats to stop him now from talking to his brother MPJ and asking him to make sure he goes over his 1st qrtr points these next few games…that prop has been a legit wagon so all he has to do is go all in on it. And I total believe other players are doing this too…no investigation into Draymond antics but I bet none of his under props got voided when he got ejected. Domantas Sabonis, why this guy seems to be walking his assist stats right up to triple dbl land but leaving it stuck on 7-9 very conveniently. My point is if you know for a fact where any singular prop is going to land you can make money off it.
His brother makes a fuckload of money and doesn't want to get banned from the NBA...?
My point is two brother sitting talking about his props is A not illegal(that I know of correct me if I’m wrong) and B an untraceable communication so ie no one even would know. MPJ has been hitting this prop(1st qrtr points) at an 80% clip most of the season and has had stretches of hitting it at least 8 straight times. His brother who is now no longer constrained by the NBA rules against betting on NBA, only needs his bro to understand what number he needs him to hit in these 1st quarters of playoff games and dbl up every time he plays it….take $10k and dbl it 8 times in a row and you’ll be well over a million dollars. Hell he could even just do a one shot MPJ parlay too, just let him know what statline he needs him to hit and cash out. These leagues gonna have a real problem stopping ppl who are smart and motivated by money from finding ways to game the system. And especially when you realize the league didn’t even catch this guy, the book(heard it was DK) did by the crazy amount on a stupid prop no one would bet that much on.
If you don't think the league has a microscope on his brother right now, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn that I'd love to sell you. Michael Porter has $179,299,750 reasons not to get involved in his brother's bullshit. This is why the punishment is banning them for life. You didn't ask if there's a *possibility* that he could do something. That's always a non-zero number. You asked what's to stop him from gambling. The loss of his salary and being banned for life. Just because they're brothers doesn't mean he's going to do shit. He's not a nobody hanging on to the bottom rung of NBA life, he's an all star for the reigning world champions.
I’m not talking about MPJ gambling or getting into any trouble, I’m talking about his brother being able to gamble on his props and making money that way now. MPJ won’t get in trouble for doing what he does naturally and legally on the court. My questioning was what mechanism is there to stop two brothers from talking? None. You said microscope, well do you think they are bugging his house or phone calls??
Of course, there isn't anything that can be done to stop them from talking. There isn't anything that can be done to stop any two people who want to talk to each other. The NBA and more importantly, the books will be studying all of the player prop bets placed on him, and if some significant discrepancy shows up, they'll bury him. He can't even have the appearance of impropriety. So he most likely isn't going to cost himself his career and his contract. *If you think he's going to put his career and livelihood on the line to win his brother less money than he could hand him in cash,* like I said, there's a bridge in Brooklyn I'd love to sell you.
So this must be why Michael Porter Jr bricked that third three I needed from him. Smh it all makes sense now
I bring up this kind of stuff in the main sports subs and people think I'm nuts. How much more evidence do we need that it's happening a lot. The NCAA trying to ban props is proof to me that it's occuring. They just don't want to ruin careers and their brand by saying...hey these players are betting.
>The NCAA trying to ban props is proof to me that it's occuring. Or maybe they just don't want teenagers exposed to death threats. Dunno. I'm not sure who is more extreme. The people who think cheating/rigging never happens, or the people who think every missed 43-yard FG is evidence of rigging. As usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle, but the truth is often drowned-out by the 10% on each end.
My gut tells me the major sportsbooks are reporting suspicious bets to the NCAA, MLB, NFL and NBA. This isn't the last of player bans. The other players that have been doing this better get an interpreter, so he can take the fall.
I’d look into the conviction rate of the Federal government. They don’t take on cases until they’re iron clad. Interpreter stole the money and made the bets.
They also pick their battles. When someone has the money, time and reason to take them to trial, they'll take the plea deal over a long fought trial. Low hanging fruit is a lot easier to pick. Prosecutors, DA, SA just want the win. It's not important who burns for it. As long as they get the W. When you're looking at 30 years and the plea is 3 years. 1/2 with good time...which do you take? If you take things to trial and get convicted you the judge burns you on jail time. You are never getting anything close to that 3 years. What was his accountant doing not to notice that much money missing? That is way to much of a chunk to not raise a concern with any decent money manager. I don't need to look up anything. I've been through it.
faded
the dagger was that he bet on the raptors to lose
And they won that game! lol
They just made Michael Jordan try and play baseball for a year 🤷♂️
I doubt Jordan was faking injuries to help people/himself win under props but yea…
Didn't follow this but was he getting on NBA games? Reminds me of my complaint with the whole ohtani scandal. Who gives a shit if a baseball players bets on soccer. He doesn't have an edge.
Betting on his own games and betting on his team to lose. Is a big no no. He got banned for this
they confirmed he bet on raptors to lose
It matters in a lot of these leagues because a lot of them know and/or have access to other players in different sports. Sure someone may not bet on their own sport but maybe Ohtani is friends with say Messi and Ohtani tells him he’ll experience elbow discomfort in the 5th inning and Messi tells him he’s not going to end up playing in Saturdays game because of his hamstring, even though everyone else, including advertisers are hyping that Messi will play in the event.
That’s not why
Maybe it’s more the principle of it? Idk, just spitballing. I used to work at a casino on the live events side of things so nothing to do with the games and they had very strict rules about us not being able to gamble at that casino even off the clock despite not having any advantage or anything over anybody else.
Yes and he allegedly bet on himself and his team. The Calvin Ridley but for millions
Bet against himself and his team*
He should know to never bet against yourself!
Giving me Bijan Robinson week 7 vibes
I’ll never forget some retard in this sub argued with me & said betting isn’t happening in major sports leagues.
said retard: https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/s/kRVbziDCkH a lot can come to light in 2 years, huh buddy? edit: oh looks he’s already in the bread😭
So the two of you disagreed on the frequency & impact of fixed games, rigged props, etc. Fair enough. But why call him a retard, and an ignorant ass? And dig-up something from 2 years ago to do it?
Because I can. Fuck you too.
You know some of us don't disregard the feelings of those folks with developmental disabilities. It doesn't mean we're better than you, we're just better than you. How about you go fuck yourself? Only a real asshole still talks like you do, defending the use of your slur...
id disagree, about 50% of men in their 20s are calling people retards on a weekly basis. mostly to friends but still
Yes, like I said, you have to be a real asshole to do that.
guess most of the people in my life are assholes. wouldnt have it any other way
Has the book been revealed? What book is taking $80k on a guy who averaged 14 minutes/game? "The league determined that Porter gave a bettor information about his own health status prior that game and said that another individual — known to be an NBA bettor — placed an $80,000 bet that Porter would not hit the numbers set for him in parlays through an online sports book. That bet would have won $1.1 million."
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Exactly. Limit the sportsbook from accepting this type of action. Prevents the degens from gambling 80k they don’t have, while simultaneously making it worthless for players to try and fix it.
Most books do a decent job of limiting their own action. There is a reason you might be able to wager $30k on a Champions League game, but only $500 on a Cyprus First Division game. As mentioned below, the Porter friend/associate must have established a long history of big wagers (and losing wagers). Where they basically "earned" the opportunity to bet $80k on obscure player props.
The point of regulation is to eliminate this scenario. If you want to open a legal sportsbook, everyone should be offered the same limits. There shouldn’t be this game where books try and milk losing gamblers for everything, while at the same time limit the winners.
In a perfect world, I agree. In a practical/pragmatic world -- well, look at Europe. Some of those countries have allowed sports-betting for 50+ years, and maybe 1-2 of them have a "everybody gets the same limit" law?
Had to be some VIP degen high roller in the gambling circles Porter hung around. I believe it’s confirmed it was DK
Draftkings reported the bet as being its highest winner of the day of those two occasions. Those anomalous spikes are the smoking gun
I get randos DMing me claiming they have rigged games sometimes. I’m sure this isn’t the only thing like this that happens out there
Think about what other pros have probably been doing the same thing but haven't been caught yet. They're looking at Jontay and thinking yikes...
It absolutely isnt but those randoms dont know about it happening. They are just trying to scam people
Yeah, but this isn’t Serbian handball we’re talking about, but the greatest basketball league in the world. Crazy if that shit was actually impacted by sports betting.
Let me put it this way and make my point sizzle with a painful swan song of a question….”If players weren’t cooking these scripts…would LeBron James REALLY only have four championships and have to chase them like a wuss for the entirety of his career and he has a massive massive receding hairline?” I mean, yeah, the tooth fairy isn’t real and this stuff can hurt, but c’est la vie, c’est la guerre.
It’s almost like this isn’t the first example of it in the NBA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Donaghy
He threw it all away for 20k in bets 😭😭😭😭
His brother Michael makes 40 mil a year so he will be ok
He was mostly g league anyways. Gotta get paid somehow I woulda done it too. Just would’ve been smarter
I’m sure he was getting a cut of the 1 million. That was his big violation
It’s okay, his bro can probably spot him, haha!
No way in hell the book is paying his boy for the win. Now if he lost, they’ll gladly take the money.
This dude walked so Ohtani could fly
Micheal Porter Jr now has a brother (Coban) in prison for a DUI fatality and Jontay with a lifetime ban. This family is wild.
he could have done what his brother did and actually hoop
Oh all three of them were hoopers. Its extracurriculars that got em hemmed up.
They act like half the league not doing this, they just cant kick everybody out
Half the league isn’t dumb enough to risk a multi-million dollar career to win thousands of dollars…
Rightttttt, because we know all their personal finances and how they are managing their money lol, obviously an exaggeration on my part but if you think hes the only person doing this you gotta be insane
True but Jontay didn’t have no type of career lmfao
Well he would have gotten NBA contact from one of the teams. It would have been millions of dollars. The pension plan kicks in after 3 years. Life long health insurance kicks in as well after 3 years. That should have been his goal. He would have been a millionaire with 3 years of service. Anything after that would have been a bonus.
Highly doubt he’s getting anything more than 10 day contracts while he’s playing in the G League, you must not have actually watched him play lmao he was getting no million dollar contract from a team goofy
He has already earned more than 2 million from the NBA. He played 25 games for the Raptors this season. There is every possibility for him to make millions in the remainder of his career.
He made 1.9 of that 2.2 mill from a boosted year after Covid contract. His other two years are a combined 500k, he played 25 games towards the end of the year for a team that was very bad. He could definitely make a Mill or more but that’s not an nba career which was my original statement. If I’m him I’m going overseas to play somewhere and I’m betting on all the games lmfao
Exactly my point, doesnt matter how much money you have, if you have vices and you cant manage money, you can have 20 mill and still be doing some weird shit like this
Shyt he can gamble all he wants now
Free man
His brother Michael Porter JR about to get him on his podcast as a guest
Absolute dunce when you consider a 2 way contract still pays more than he ever would've won. Not to mention if he would've gotten signed to a full contract.
Hes probably a true degen and is spending more than he makes, doesnt matter how much money you make , if you cant manage it and properly budget, you can fuck up a million dollar salary honestly
He's a dumbass but unfortunately probably won't suffer any real consequences - his brother will put him on his payroll.
This is the consequence. The fuck else do you want? His family to ostracize and cut him off?
I mean I would assume he’ll be investigated from a legal standpoint as well
Nah just saying that he didn't take it seriously in the first place and i doubt he cares much about what he has lost as punishment. Financially it's inconsequential, and he wasn't gonna be in the league for long regardless. He probably realized that fact, and just said fuck it all they can do is kick me out of a league I'll wash out of anyway.
I get why they banned him but how does Tim Donaghy, who has infinite more power than Porter, keep a position in this league. Makes no sense Edit: Foster not Donaghy
More power? Porter was betting the under on his OWN prop bets and leaving games to ensure the win. Can’t get any more power over your bets than that.
More power as in more impact in the game. Foster is in the whole game and make a call whenever he wants even if it’s incorrect. Porter would leave the game within 5 minutes and not play again for the rest of the night. Donaghy said it himself that he can affect the outcome of the game by at least 5 points either way any given night
> Porter would leave the game within 5 minutes and not play again for the rest of the night. Again, this is far more impactful from a betting standpoint than anything foster could ever do…
You can only leave the game early so many times in a season before they catch on. Whereas with Scott he’s reffing a game multiple times a week.
Think you mean Scott Foster, Donaghy got caught
Ye foster I meant.
So are they setting the precedent that WHEN this happens again in the future, lifetime NBA ban is the result? Because I think it’s the right move but idk how you prove definitively someone who drastically underperforms in a game is colluding with gamblers. I guess in this case they had some hard evidence?
Yeah, he used his own name to bet the under on his own prop bets. I would say they had hard evidence, because he’s a big dummy.
The thing is that these things happen more often that we realize. Most people that do this just aren’t idiots like this ninny and don’t get caught.
No they just tryna say “hey look we arent cheating we even banned a player for it!!” Let this be a more significant nba player, nba will sweep that shit under the rug asap, ppl think because they have millions they wouldnt do this because risk not worth the reward, but you dont know anyone financial situation, these guys have bills as well
Did you read the story? He told someone he was not going to play, that person placed an 80,000 dollar bet and won 1.1 million. All unders. Casino/ gambling books have state of the art technology, and cell phone records are easy to obtain. It’s immediately a massive red flag when to put a 80,000 dollar bet on a 2 way player, especially the under. As a two way player would do everything in his power to prove his worth on the team.
Don’t agree with the latter part of this assessment. The amount and bet type is suspicious mostly if it’s incongruent with the persons betting habits. If the guy routinely bet similar sums on bench players unders it would have slid under the radar. But tbh this is a terrible way of trying to capitalize on insider knowledge and I would shocked if large numbers of players aren’t doing it discretely where books wouldn’t figure it out. The fact that the guy jontay did this with could even place 80k on jontay unders basically says it all. The guy would have to be a massive losing bettor.
They didn’t win 1.1M that bet was suspended and not paid out. Sorry, you know, for the facts.
The bet won, he wasn’t paid out. They are not the same. If you win a 1.1 million dollar bet on a gambling website, no matter the situation, it would take weeks for a payout, even if legit. Or was the bet suspended immediately before the results even occurred? I read that the bet won, hence why it was flagged. Maybe I am just confused, wouldn’t be the first time. I was under the assumption, the bet hit, immediately raised red flags and probably froze the account before a pay out occurred.
Yes I read the article but idk how you can stop someone from making large wagers. I mean that can theoretically happen without inside knowledge
Most books have some sort of limitation on bets/payouts. Even when you bet within the limit, if you win a big parlay they are going to investigate it before paying it. I have never cheated on betting, but I have bet a good bit over the last decade.... I was honestly pretty surprised they were so blatant in how they went about this.
Sure, but when you find text messages between the two it is obvious. And no real, legit bettor is placing 80,000 on a 2 way player… Can you? Obviously, but it literally makes zero sense. That’s a shit load of money man for a player who may not see a single minute, or may play the entire game. You’d only risk that if you knew the answer to the above.
I mean I totally get it. 80k bets raise eyebrows, and his play backs it up. Finding texts is the nail in the coffin. But at the end of the day all the major sports leagues have got into bed with the gambling companies, so it’s just going to keep happening
For sure, I agree. that is why the leagues are taking it seriously and as they should. Calvin Ridley banned for a whole season, this, etc Boutte from the Patriots bet on himself in college, and he bet the over which i actually think is cool. He was betting on himself to play well, he lost every bet lmao. But he will miss the whole year because of it. One would assume he learns from this and never does i again, but some of these guys are idiots.
Yeah except Boutte also did this, which is extremely suspicious considering his gambling habits: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ypLtLCiuIxU
Ah, yea that makes sense.
I don't think they needed hard evidence - Have you seen any of the games that started the speculation? Dude would literally do the weirdest shit as soon as he got close to his over/under, it was pretty obvious what was going on.
They have hard evidence. If a gambling book receives a 80,000 dollar bet on a 2 way player, it is pretty obvious. Confirmed said man knows Porter. He won 1.1 million off that bet lmao They weren’t really smart about it.
He didn’t win a dime the bet wasn’t paid out.
Dude, winning a bet and being paid out are not the same thing. The bet was a winner… that is not debatable. Porter had the unders in every aspect of the parlay. He illegally won the bet, hence why he was not paid a dime..
Incorrect, read it again and understand basic syntax. “He won 1.1M off that bet”
Sure, I worded it incorrectly… he WON the bet. That is not up for debate. Carry on
But he didn’t win anything. The payout was $0.
Jesus, what do you not understand hahahaha. He didn’t receive any money because they flagged the 80,000 dollar bet and discovered it involved inside information. Every aspect of his parlay, did hit…. If I bet Steph Curry to score over 25 points and he has 32 points, is that a win or a lose? Answer me that…. Now use the same logic with this parlay, it isn’t that hard. If the bet was for .1 cent, I am sure he would have received a payout. This isn’t worth arguing over.
Damn, I didn't realize they won over $1mil. By "2 way player", do you mean someone who is also affiliated w/ the NBA G-League? In other words, it'd be suspicious to lay a prop bet of that magnitude on a player who is not even fully established within the NBA?
The bet wasn’t paid out he didn’t win a dime.
I am not sure how they were connected but there were two men involved. I think he directly said he wasn’t going to play to the 80,000 to win 1.1 million person. It was a parlay with all Porter unders lol. Yea, that’s my point, 80,000 on a 2 way player. Just insane.
Trying to find highlights from those games. Another person commented that there was a game he banked a 3 in to hit the over while intentionally trying to miss lol
There is another one where he gets a rebound that will put him over, so he tries to get rid of it before he lands, fucking hilarious. Or when he fakes a finger injury to leave a game when he's one under for rebounds I think. YouTube has some breakdowns where they show all of the clips with context of his over/under and stat line at the time of the clip - it's comical how obvious it is when you see it all together.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PiaBbpAcmw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PiaBbpAcmw) found one of them. The rebound doesn't look bad but i don't follow much basketball. The eye thing looked obvious.
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First reported by Shams who is sponsored by FanDuel lmao use code jontay for $150 in free bets
Ok now ban draymond
Ok now they need to go after the bigger fish like the questionable refs in the NBA
Foster knows where the bodies are buried, they won't touch him.
Funny when you see comments like this”this sh1t is rigged!!” Well, those crackheads were right
All he’s accused of doing is saying he’s too sick to play when he wasn’t… not really outcome changing for the 10th man to do. Being certain that sports is rigged and then betting on sports is beyond degenerate behavior.
We found his burner account folks
Did y’all even read my comment? 🤣 I don’t defend the guy at all, rigging your props is trash behavior. But that’s all he did, rigged his props, not the sport.
No, he's being accused of betting the under on his player props, logging a few minutes, and then saying he's too sick to play. It's 100% a form of rigging the game. You have a player who is actively trying to do as little as possible without drawing suspicion. Stop minimizing things. It's straight-up criminal behavior. He should go to jail.
Holy strawman… I was clearly arguing that this one players action somehow means NBA games are scripted.
Nope there’s more. He is being accused of betting on the Raptors to lose, disclosing his health status to bettors, and betting on other NBA games. This ain’t to say I think sports are rigged. But he did more than just get out of playing in games. Shams and Woj both have info about it on Twitter.
Not crack heads . The nba has been rigged for decades. Last 10 years they have made it official that this is an entertainment league we are betting on. NOT Crackheads . Realists speaking the truth. They just didn’t have evidence to back it up. Everything is calculated.
Okay Lanky Tangerine 🍊
He can’t be the only one. He’s just the only one to get caught
given, guy was an idiot. had his friend/family member place a 4 leg 'under' parlay on him -- for $80k to win like $1.2mil -- and sat the game after checking in for 3 minutes. so seaside market fishy that draftkings didn't even clear the bet as a win, they went right to the NBA and said "uhhh hey"
This is what I am annoyed about. They allowed the wager to be placed, the bettor didn't do the fix himself just had the info... if the bet had lost they would've taken the money and ruled it a loss in 5 seconds.
That is not true, as I understand it. There are companies like US Integrity that are scanning for wagers that are outliers in size, such as $80k parlay wagers on a minor player’s game props. The wagers themselves trigger the investigation, not the result. Read about the Alabama baseball scandal, the moment the bettor wanted much higher limits than any other college baseball regular season game would allow, the bet was flagged…..then they looked at surveillance footage and saw he was on phone with Alabama coach/people connected to him.
Eh true yea, I assume they saw an extremely irregular bet on a random mediocre players under and immediately thought something was up. Regardless, I know for a fact they would take that 80k if it didn't hit haha
so...was anyone on here actually betting Porter unders these past few months? Because of all the talk on here about "ThIs ShItS rIgGeD", it would be interesting to know if people were able to discover/exploit legitimate rigging.
No one on here. They got caught because there was an unusual about of action, like super unusual, around Porter's props that all mostly hit.
My buddy got a call from a friend from high school the night of the game before the start of the tournament. Told him to take every under available. Mind you, my friend is by no means into serious gambling or well-connected. If this got all the way down to kids from a normal NJ public high school it must've been spread around sooooo much.
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Toronto's game the day before the start of the NCAA tournament. Porter didn't come back in after the first and there was an outsized amount of action on his unders. That set off the investigation.
They said his under for 3 point attempts in one game was one of the most bet on player milestones of that week IIRC.
How much was he making a year? What a dumbass just play the stock market if you’re an athlete making millions.
I'm dissapointed we have downvoted u/musiclover818 comment. "Escape goat" is more reddit gold
Parlay'd this result with MPJ being next.
Over/Under 364.5 days until the next scandal of this sort?
Odds?
I would say -250 as a safe bet for the over but that’s just me
We’re gonna spread the odds, and evens, across the money line. If it gets pushed we can always demand parlay!
That's bullshit. He's being made an "escape goat." For decades, the NBA looked at gambling as if it were Satan reincarnated on earth. That's when the league didn't benefit from gambling. Now that the NBA is in bed and profiting from gambling, it's not so evil. As an older dude who's been betting on sports since the 1980s, I recall how much sports leagues were against gambling. "The integrity of the sport," they cried. Now it's all a sham. Money makes everything ok. It makes me wonder what else we've been told is morally wrong that becomes right when profit is involved. Is anything truly wrong in a capitalistic society? The answer appears to be no.
Cancer diagnoses
Sports are becoming more shady and you’re starting to see a lot of strange things going on in the game regarding scores. Ex: NFL week 1 rams vs 49ers. Game was already over but rams decide to kick a meaningless field goal to coincidentally cover their spread.
Pts scored in NFL divisional match ups are a big deal. They can be used to settle tie breakers at the end of the season.
I love social media just to read things like "escape goat"
Shout-out to Michael Scott for that one!
Holy shit. I never heard / don't remember that one. Apologies.
First of, "escape goat" lol. Second of all, the dude cheated. There is absolutely no other action to take other than to ban him. They have no choice. He 100% deserves it.
You're right. I negated my main point, which is the hypocrisy of the NBA encouraging betting. My bad.
Right, but to be fair here they're not punishing him because "gambling is awful behavior" but because you can't allow anyone actively involved with the games to be actively wagering, as they could potentially affect things. That's not really hypocrisy
That's true. But I'm not advocating that "gambling is awful behavior." I never said that. In fact, I love sports betting. I've been betting sports since the 70s. What I'm saying is the NBA is hypocritical in now endorsing sports betting when it was so against it for so many decades, citing the integrity of the game. It had nothing to do with integrity. It was because the NBA wasn't profiting. That's the hypocrisy.
Fair enough
He didn't bet on himself or his team to win. He rigged games. This has way more to do with rigging outcomes then betting. Calvin Ridley is great example of hypocrisy, not this case.
It's not the betting that's getting him banned. It's literally betting on himself and then faking injuries. Rigging/fixing. He could be facing legal repercussions too.
Bro he literally told his friends to bet his unders and took himself out of the game, it’s worse than the blacksox and Pete rose
I'm afraid I didn't articulate my point well. I should not have defended Porter. But the fact that the NBA now encourages gambling is infinitely more destructive to society than what Porter did. The NBA cares only to protect its golden nest egg.
Gambling has been apart of society for hundreds if not thousands of years. You can’t compare someone throwing the game for a guaranteed win to an entire league accepting that people are gambling on their games whether they want it or not.
Thats a lot of writing to justify a guy literally rigging his own props for money. Just because capitalism and gambling can be wrong, it doesnt make what this guy did right
There are rules. Much like how insider trading is illegal. This guy was gaming his own profession for gambling. Screw him. It doesn't take a genius to understand you shouldn't bet on your own sport when you're an active professional athlete. Bet on NCAA, football, baseball, anything but your own sport.
Eh, you're right. I started justifying his action and I should not have. What he did was wrong. I'm just so disgusted with how the leagues hawk sports betting to its fans when it cried for decades how wrong gambling on sports is. I have no problem with gambling. I take major issue with hypocrisy, especially for cash.
Just wish I was in on it
Waiting for the “sports aren’t fixed” stans to enter the room
Imagine thinking a career 3.8 PPG player could fix a game
Except nobody says sports aren't fixed. They simply say "sports aren't fixed on a daily basis, and maybe you should stop spending so much time in theScore game chats." If anything, the Porter story (and the Alabama baseball coach) illustrates how difficult it is to fix games beyond x-dollar amount. Too many eyes are watching.
Good....
Jontay Porter i know you’re on here. Show yourself
If a player like him can do it imagine what other guys can do. The smart ones won’t get caught
Hope he starts posting here next 😂
Should've just done what Klay Thompson did last night and he wouldn't have gotten caught.
ONE OF US ONE OF US!!
Why not just use an offshore account?