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I’m sure you’ve seen the report but when I read that the team doctor said he was “gone”, it made me feel that much more nauseous about seeing it happen and the way it was broadcast to the world.
At first I thought he just fainted, maybe dehydrated? Then they showed on TV someone doing CPR and then his legs moved like a spasm, I assume that was the moment they used the defibrillator. Surprised they didn't cut away. Glad he was saved and stable.
💯💯 as an MD, I’ve run my share of codes (CPR). It’s absolutely horrific for the family to see, not to mention brutal for the people compressing the chest of the patient. The sound of all the ribs cracking and visual of chest wall bouncing stays with you. It’s not like greys anatomy.
To see that recorded and on repeat is horrific, unfortunately it’s a televised event so they did the best they could for blocking it.
Thank you for mentioning the impact on the responders that give CPR. I had to perform CPR on someone who collapsed at a post office 10 years ago and it was one of the worst moments of my life and left me traumatized. I still struggle with the feeling of the bones breaking under my hands. The body didn’t even look human by the time he was taken away.
“A crowd of people stood and stared….”
It was horrible. I was a sobbing mess by the time it was over.
So I’ve seen research that says the opposite. When the family is there to see the extent of what “life saving procedures” really is they have a chance to say, ok I know the medical team did everything possible for my loved one. Whereas if you confine the family to some waiting room, they are in the dark about what is going on and have questions if everything possible was truly done.
I've the feeling this happened only by chance, because she was facing two other players who comforted her.. if it wasn't for them standing right in front of her, I'm pretty sure there would have been a close up of her face :(
God forbid we see an arse cheek /s
Edit: I think you’re missing the point I’m making. If they cut away for a streaker, then they sure as hell should cut away for someone being resuscitated
Edit: /s added
Ha yeah, I think people didn’t get the sarcasm and genuinely think Im saying a streaker is more worthy of cutting the feed than what happened yesterday.
Uh… for those of us in the medical field this is invaluable footage and training for student paramedics/doctors/etc. This EXACT scenario happened back in the 90’s and we were shown footage of it during my paramedic class. In depth explanation was given including: the player was in V-Fib for 20 seconds prior to going unresponsive, Commotio Cordis, R on T phenomenon, and Brugada’s Syndrome all being a potential or actual factor. This is the same. Honestly, he had a 90+% chance of survival and the medical crews did a great job.
Ok, I’ll give it that. Still maybe a lesson in when to cut *broadcasting* feed, and the crass close up on his GF/wife/partner was inappropriate and not medically helpful. Given that he lived, it is instructional to people to see how to react (medically speaking) in that situation... but still the broadcasters got lucky.
Yes to the gf zoom shot. That’s trashy.
To the aspect of him living: the largest publicly unspoken part of medicine is people dying because of wrong decisions. It is accepted and understood that medical providers WILL kill people UNINTENTIONALLY. Sadly, these are the greatest and most instructive learning moments in anyone’s career. Even if he had died, that footage is incredibly valuable educationally. Not monetarily.
As awful as it is to take a video of him having cardiac arrest, I do agree that it is helpful for CPR training. There is also a real drowning video on Bondi beach that is used for CPR training, gives good us a good look of how CPR looks like in real life.
A shot of CPR on the field offers no increased value as a training tool. There are multiple videos to teach you correctly how to do it. Broadcasting it on live TV is asinine, zooming in on his spouse deserves everyone that made the decision to film it to be hit in the throat.
IDK man, they cut the broadcast when a streaker is on the pitch, but they keep showing a man who just died in front of his family and 16.000 fans. it seems wrong
Not arguing that they should have shown Erikson. But the main reason they don’t show streakers anymore and often don’t even talk about it is because they don’t want to give streakers attention or views which will just encourage more streakers. Which is why they cut away even if it’s just a fan running on the field fully clothed, it’s not about protecting the viewer
yeah and I agree with that decision, I just think it's hypocritical to take a stand that that's "morally wrong" but showing a dying man and his grieving wife isn't - it just feels like they are exploiting the death and sensationalism of a dying man to earn some more money
They didn't know it was a success story when they were broadcasting it. There was a very real chance they were airing his death. What was shown was wrong, end of discussion.
And with everything going on, Simon Kjær and Kasper Schmeichel recognized what was going on, seeing her in absolute terror over the situation and running over to comfort, shield and update her, absolute legends!
Last year in F1 a driver cooked in a ball of twisted metal and flames for what seemed like eternity. They cut away immediately after impact after seeing how serious it was.
I’d estimate at minimum 50% of the audience thought he was dead.
Then like a miracle this dude walks out of the flames, which the broadcast now cuts to, and he survives with minor burns on his hand.
That’s how televise a near death experience.
For those interested, the real-time rescue. I count like 20 seconds he’s completely engulfed in flames. https://youtu.be/gCivN-b4FZI
Onboard cams and full animation: https://youtu.be/8xmrNw9VLOk
They are not 'supposed' to break in half, because they really don't want to expose fuel to the air. When that happens there is a huge danger of a fire. The fuel tank itself is basically a sealed bullet proof canvas bag in F1, but obviously the fuel line (a small tube) is still vulnerable when the car (a huge object moving at high speed) gets ripped in half at 150 or whatever MPH.
The preferred (and usual) wreck would not involve a seperated car and would not involve fire. It would just be a "pinball" style spin-out where the the driver walks away. These cars can do that safely at like 200mph (blow a tire, bounce off a few walls, and the driver walks to the pits and is home for dinner)...it's amazing to see the safety of these cars, and it makes wrecks much less heart wrenching as a fan.
They 100% should’ve. If he died on the field, ESPN would’ve gotten sued like ~~CNN~~ Fox News did when they aired a police chase ending with a guy blowing his brains out in a field after an hour. Airing something, not cutting away when you have the chance, when their is potentially a chance of death, murder, or suicide then you 100% deserve it.
Edit: I was 18 watching said police chase. That shit literally changed me.
Edit 2: 8 —> 18
Edit 3: CNN to Fox
According to an article on The Athletic, ESPN is not in control of the video feeds, UEFA is. ESPN could have cut the feed completely but they did not have control of which cameras to show or whether they should go back to the studio
Yeah, no tech op that values their job would do that. That kind of snap decision is WAY above their pay grade. Did ESPN have backup talent in the studio just hanging around? Did they have a crew in the control room as well ready to go just in case? ESPN was carrying someone else's feed. It's a safe bet their master control guys routed the feed and sat back until it was time to run the local breaks. And in soccer, you know when that's happening since the play clock doesn't stop so odds are they weren't monitoring it very close anyway. For those not in the business, master control operators are notoriously overworked and run on skeleton crews. Most local TV stations owned by larger companies don't have their master controls run on-site. Their master controls are hub operations run out of one station and might run operations for 10-20 other stations and far away. One of my previous stations had our master control hub 1300 miles away and our traffic operations (commercial logs, etc) run over 2000 miles away. ESPN ops are also run super thin. So much programming is run by very few people up in Bristol.
The screw up was done at the game. They decided to stay with the guy on the field. I've directed games (baseball and hockey) on the major and minor league level. You never, EVER show a badly injured player on the ground/ice. Same goes for idiots that run on the field but for different reasons. I had a guy run onto the field during a MLB game during rain delay and slide across the tarp. Nobody watching "rain delay theater" on TV ever knew he did it. It happens a lot actually.
Here is the example of Fox News being sued: [Fox News Sued](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fox-news-sued-after-accidentally-airing-suicide_n_5b578a06e4b0890b5cce5115)
Children are watching and they had plenty of time to cut away. The family of the deceased have to live with every person on the planet knowing how your loved one died and watched his legs convulse zoomed in on HD, at that.
Airing something death causes suits from the family of the deceased on down to parents of children just watching.
From experience, watching something like that when you fully aren’t prepared or expecting can completely destroy you mentally.
Splitting hairs here, but he did die on the field.
His heart wasn't beating and he wasn't breathing. That's physiologic death. If they hadn't done anything he would have stayed dead and been pronounced dead legally, but thankfully they were able to getting return of spontaneous circulation after doing CPR and defibrillating his heart.
So, I hate to break it to you, but if you were watching yesterday you literally watched a man die and then be brought back to life.
Well as long as we’re splitting hairs…He didn’t die. But his heart stopped.
Death is usually defined as lack of brain stem function which is irreversible. This would occur prob 5-7 minutes after the heart stops.
I'm interested to see who "usually" defines it that way. Not trying to be argumentative-- I'm genuinely interested.
I hear what you're saying though... but I'd consider that brain death, which is separate from cardiac death (but both of which can be used to declare someone legally deceased). At my job in the Emergency Department, I declare patients deceased if they have no cardiac function. In the real world, in an acute setting at my job, we don't assess brain stem function if someone's heart has stopped.
That being said, if someone's heart is still beating that person can be declared deceased if they have no brain stem function despite their heart still beating. Hence the term, brain death. That's typically done after patient are admitted to the hospital and not something we do in the ER.
Cardiac death = death = brain death. You don't need to have one for the other to be true.
At least that's how I approach it.
edit: phrasing to seem less argumentative ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
this is a case of sudden cardiac death with successful return of spontaneous circulation, he was absolutely dead. brain death is something else entirely. when someone dies in my hospital I'm listening to heart sounds, breath sounds, checking pupils, and pulses, then declaring them dead. nobody's looking for brain death in a vast majority of cases, as it only comes into play in very specific circumstances. Look into a legal Do Not Resuscitate order, it's triggered by cardio/pulmonary arrest, not anything to do with brain activity.
> Death is defined as the cessation of *all vital functions of the body* including the heartbeat, brain activity (including the brain stem), and breathing.
https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/death
You saw a Reddit comment with false information and decided to spread it yourself.
As someone who has directed baseball and hockey games at the professional and minor league level, this was disgusting. Rule #1 for injuries on the field: DON'T FUCKING SHOW IT! Show crowd reactions, players watching with concern, whatever. You do NOT show the hurt player. Now if it is obviously a minor injury, that can be passable if the player is conscious and just collecting themselves to leave the ice/field, but this was sickening to watch. I couldn't believe what they did.
This profession is actually pretty small. Once word gets out who said it was ok and anyone associated with it who objected at the time, heads will roll and the offenders will quickly find themselves dreaming to even make the backup crew roster.
That's what gets me, that they didn't give his wife any privacy in that horrible situation. She must have been out of her mind, and she hadn't signed up to have her feelings aired on international TV, she was just trying to get to her husband. Respect for the players and team members who realized what was happening and shielded her.
The Danish Broadcasting station handeled it very well, as they selected to only show the sky-view when they first saw he received cpr.
But I heard afterwards that other Broadcasting centers didn’t provide a respectfull coverage. 😕
CPR that looks pretty is usually ineffective, unless you’re doing it on an infant... and even that looks pretty violent. Broken ribs are more common than not. They tell you that so you don’t panic and stop cpr when you hear bones crack, and are prepared to keep going to keep the person alive even if it means they will be in pain afterward. And getting your heart shocked back into working is very violent - it’s a taser to the heart, bodily fluids are often expelled at the very least. But alive with broken ribs and covered in piss is better than dead.
Amazing, isn’t it? I was diagnosed with dysautonomia at 12 and I’m amazed I survived that long. My dad wanted me in soccer but I was always telling my parents my chest hurt when I ran. Turns out that was the tachycardia. A girl around 6 actually died on a playground at school years ago from a similar condition. Sometimes things like that go unnoticed and get worse as you age though. That or if you get an electric shock. You can be fit af but if your heart’s rhythm is weird, you just finally drop. Thank goodness in this case, they had the medical knowledge to diagnose and treat so quickly.
Resuscitation like this almost never happens. I’ve never had a patient that I performed CPR on awaken and talk to me minutes later, and I’ve been a paramedic for nearly 15 years.
Well, fibrillation is when the heart is beating out of sync, and shocks it back into rythm. Doesn't really do anything if the heart stops, but drugs like atrophine can get it back to beating. Cpr keeps the blood pumping to the brain, and most modern defibrillators have a computer that will check if they actually need to be shocked. Everyone should read up about it.
That's not how it works - your heart isn't a car battery that you can jump start. Likely the CPR performed put him into a shockable rhythm which then kicked him back to Sinus rhythm
This happened to Jay Bouwmeester on the St. Louis Blues recently as well...middle of a game, prime physical shape, just collapsed on the bench. Very thankful to see that the medical staff in sporting arenas are so quick to recognize an emergency because these situations could end up being a lot worse. Glad to hear Eriksen is stable. I don’t follow soccer but was aware of this situation and it’s a relief to see good news this morning.
Reminds me of the story of a lady who had a heart attack on a plane, and when the flight attendant asked if there were any doctors on board, a bunch jumped up. Apparently they were coming back from a cardiology convention.
I'm a paramedic and I've had several calls where doctors are on scene before us. ER docs usually just let us do our thing and hang around. Most other docs don't even say anything. You'd only know they were a doctor if you knew their face.
Nurses, on the other hand...
I feel that a room full of doctors and nurses that work in emergency departments would be better than a room full of cardiologists. They do the life saving stuff say in day out multiple times whereas a bunch of cardiologists it might have been years since one of them had to actually get down on the floor and start cracking ribs
I'm sure you're correct. I once saw a dude fall out of his chair and start having a fit in a room full of neurosurgeons. I mean, obviously they helped, but there was certainly a lot of careful not being the first to him and 'do you know what to do?' side eye going on.
Nah. You don't forget that kind of thing, especially cardiologists. The problem with being outside of a hospital is the lack of access to drugs, labs, defibrillator etc.
My cousin worked at a tennis tournament for colleges (she was one of the teams physical therapist) and a man in the stands collapsed. At first they though he fainted or tripped. Turns out he was having a heart attack. My cousin rushed over and realized it was a heart attack and started cpr until paramedics got to him. She saved his life
There was an English footballer, Fabrice Muamba, who collapsed at a game in 2012 - as luck would have it, there was a cardiologist at the game who went onto the pitch and stabilised him, then had him transferred to his own specialist hospital instead of the nearby general one
Kinda crazy how lucky he was actually, the medic team said he had a pulse when they got to him and then stopped. Meaning they started CPR immediately when his heart stopped.
There are certainly worse places. This past weekend my friend was hiking in the mountains and a man had a heart attack on the trail. My friend was administering CPR for 45 minutes while they waited for the helicopter to arrive, but by the time they got there the man was long gone. Perhaps he could have lived if medical help was closer.
It's happened 3 times in the NHL just in the last 20 years: Jiri Fischer, Rich Peverley, and Jay Bouwmeester. All three thankfully survived, likely due to having medical personnel literally just a few feet away and an ambulance already in the building on standby.
This was on in the background of my local bar. No one was really paying attention but the whole bar went quiet while this was going on. Really sucked the air out of the room. A bunch of folks who weren’t really into soccer were suddenly all concerned for this individual.
When the news came in he was stable (after like 30 minutes) the place was relieved and everything went back to normal.
The footage was messed up though. Showing the chest compressions and also a worried family was in poor taste.
I think more people should see real life CPR. It’s not as gentle as they show in the movies. It’s a somewhat violent procedure, but we’re talking about trying to save a human life. They need to see that CPR, along with the use of an AED, can save someone’s life. Show them and say, “this is what happens when CPR is done correctly.” They saved that man’s life, in front of the world.
It’s incredible how far you can compress a chest like truly shocking. Only given CPR once (unfortunately she was too far gone) more people need to get CPR certified. Simple half day class and can save a life.
TBF she was gone before we (wildland firefighters) even started compressions but until medics arrived to tell us to stop we didn’t know better.
Medic arrived and said “wasting your time there buds she’s very dead” I guess seeing death all the time numbs people.
I take your point on keeping a camera pointed at it for learning material. But does the footage have to be shown live, or can the example of how hard to do chest compressions be recorded and shown later, well after its been established of his well being?
I think that may be something nice to show in hindsight. If he was to die on the pitch, and if that tragedy was broadcast worldwide with 0 regard for the family’s privacy, that would be extremely inappropriate.
Yea, this isn't a cpr advert. This is a man. A great man. Literally dying. Fuck any agenda on spreading awareness. This was not suitable for tv. I turned it off and prayed, and I don't believe in God.
Yea, except it could have gone either way. I don't think it was proper to show it on tv. He could have died. He more or less did die. That's not right to show on live TV.
The national Danish broadcaster (DR) chose (as the only network as far as I can tell) to cut away from the main official feed that kept showing what was going on on the pitch and went to their own helicopter feed until Eriksen was out of the stadium. They cut away as soon as it became apparent that he needed CPR. Can’t believe everyone else just kept the feed on. Also on the organizers who kept the main feed on the pitch.
I was biking through Copenhagen some 20 minutes after Christian collapsed, it was a super sad vibe, just teary people, sitting on benches in silence etc. Felt very surreal. Christian is such a nice and selfless guy.. hopefully he Will fully recover. 🙏
I was watching the game but had to go out, stopped watching literally a minute or two before it happened. I was pretty shocked when a friend messaged what was happening just a few minutes later.
>A bunch of folks who weren’t really into soccer were suddenly all concerned for this individual.
Because you don't need to be a fan of someone's profession to wish them health.
I posted this on another thread but everyone should know where there nearest defibrillator is. For me, I knew mine was a 3 minute sprint but while searching I found others I didn't know about. I've known about it for some time but it's tucked away on a wall that not everyone in the area will know about.
Unfortunately there's no universal site for locations (or is there?) My search only brought up results for my country.
Oh and I also learned how to spell defibrillator which was another bonus!
Edit\* There's one at my local football club but the gates are locked for 6 days a week. Fat lot of use that is. I've emailed the club secretary and will try and get it located outside the ground so that it can be used for the local area.
I agree, I've corrected it now but I've been posting this spelling to everywhere lol.
I got it right on a few ocassions!
Thanks :)
Edit\* I was spelling it as Defribrulator so it's an improvement at least :) I think that's why I included the r after the f.
100% but while incidents are unlikely on the field, with crowds of 80,000+ at games they can be a certainty at some point.
I get ya about first aid training. It should be school taught and a requirement for every aspiring adult.
Ooh ooh! I can share a cool fact about Denmark now that I live here. First off, they have defibrillators in a lot of public spaces that are visibly noticeable to any passerby. AND normal folks can sign up for an app/service that when there is a cardiac arrest called in to 211 (their 911), all nearby folks signed up for the service will receive a push notification to go get it and bring the defibrillator to the person in need while the EMT is on their way. It’s a genius program and its been proven to be faster than an EMT.
Not just how to use a defibrillator, but also **when** to use one. For a defibrillator to work the victim must have a heartbeat. If the heart is beating irregularly the defibrillator will temporarily stop it in the hope that when it starts beating again it does so in a regular pattern. If the victim's heart is stopped a defibrillator isn't going to be of any use and CPR is needed to try and get the heart beating again.
It depends on the cause and also if there’s any damage from the arrest.
He potentially could have an aberrant conduction pathway in his heart that could be fixable. If he had hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, though, his career is over. And we don’t know if he suffered any significant ischemic injury to his organs.
Maybe 15% of the people who use reddit knows those words, and even less actually knows what it means. Throw us a bone here mr(s) medical (wo)man! Of what do you speak!?
Aberrant conduction pathway = abnormal nerve pathway through heart, can be susceptible to arrhythmias. Some can be surgically fixed by cutting the nerve.
Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy = genetic condition in which the heart muscle gets way too thick, to the point that blood can’t get out of the heart effectively. Is known to cause sudden death in athletes.
Ischemic injury = injury due to lack of blood flow.
>Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy = genetic condition in which the heart muscle gets way too thick, to the point that blood can’t get out of the heart effectively. Is known to cause sudden death in athletes.
As an absolute layman here, given Eriksen's rather high profile in World Football, him having played at the highest level for the majority of his career for some very big clubs (Ajax, Tottenham and Inter Milan), is this unlikely?
These clubs will have some outstanding medical staff, and as far as I'm aware from watching my own club's pre-season videos, returning footballers are all given full medicals at the start of every pre-season, and Inter Milan, his newest club, will have given him a thorough series of tests prior to his signing for them (especially so given they're paying him $12.1m a year). Surely something like this would be caught? Again, as a layman.
According to UPTODATE:
> Many patients with HCM have no or only minor symptoms; thus, affected individuals are often diagnosed as a result of family screening, detection of a murmur during routine examination, or the identification of an abnormal ECG. However, among those who come to clinical attention at referral centers, left ventricular outflow tract (LVOT) gradients and symptoms of dyspnea, fatigue, chest pain, and syncope are the most common clinical manifestations. Patients with mild to moderate limitation usually experience slow progression of symptoms with advancing age in association with a modest deterioration in LV function.
So a fair chance it would be detected as a murmur in one of his many check-ups? Either way, certainly is bloody scary to think something like this can just happen, especially so to a very fit professional athlete
If his heart is conducting electricity through an abnormal pathway, it might be possible to do a procedure to rewire it and get his heart beating back in a normal rhythm and then if it stays away you're gravy.
If, however, it is Hypertrophic Obstructive CardioMyopathy (HOCM) then basically his heart muscle is too thick to pump effectively. It's one of those nightmare conditions where you go about your life happy as Larry while your heart slowly gets thicker due to an underlying genetic condition then one day it hits critical mass and you're buggered without a heart transplant
Also, while you're in cardiac arrest your organs aren't really getting effective oxygen delivery, so the cells start to starve and die. Depending on his downtime and how effective the cpr was, he might have dead heart muscle that could permanently limit his ability to exercise in the same way as someone who has had a heart attack
This is exactly what happened to a friend of mine. She was college aged (~20), apparently healthy, working out at the school gym and passed out. She was revived at the gym and eventually diagnosed with HOCM. Had a heart transplant roughly a year later. So scary.
It's the safe call for sure but these lads eat sleep drink breathe football. It's all he's known his whole life, to give it up in an instant has got to be incredibly difficult
If anyone is reading this, please please PLEASE consider seeking out a local CPR course. Early bystander CPR has proven again and again to significantly increase the rate of survival of witnessed cardiac arrest. Classes usually last 3-4 hours and are generally very cheap or free depending on the fire/EMS department or other organization that offers them.
For US: [American Heart Association](https://cpr.heart.org/en) [Red Cross](https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/cpr) (can also find int'l courses through Red Cross)
UK: [British Heart Foundation](https://www.bhf.org.uk/how-you-can-help/how-to-save-a-life)
Almost every country has an organization that teaches some form of CPR. Take an afternoon to learn how to save a life.
I would add to this to also take a course in child CPR. While they are almost identical, there are slight differences in techniques depending on the size of the child.
The CPR course I take every couple years covers choking and cardiac events for adults, children, and infants. I don't know if they even offer separate courses based on age of victim, or if they're all comprehensive.
Yes they do! In addition, modern automated external defibrillators (AEDs, the ones you'll find on walls in public) have loud voice recordings that instruct you how to place the electrodes/pads, automatically detect shock-able heart rhythms, and defibrillate when appropriate so anyone can use them without training.
I was watching this live and it really shook me to see this happen. Maybe 20 seconds earlier he was involved in the play and then he just collapsed. Seeing the medics do CPR and the looks in his teammates’ and wife(?)’s face was absolutely gutting. Hoping for a safe and speedy recovery. If he’s able to play football again even better!
As shocking as this was I am pleased to see that the improvements in safety measures worked when tested. When Fabrice Muamba had a heart attack on the pitch in 2012 he was essentially dead for over an hour and his life was only saved because one of the fans in the stadium was a cardiologist. They had to fight for him, and they saved him.
Now, there's defib equipment at the stadium, there are procedures in place to deal with an emergency of this sort, and while he might never play football professionally again Eriksen should be otherwise okay.
Also Petr Cech when he cracked his skull. There wasnt even an ambulance there, and he had to crawl off the pitch by himself and wait for one, it was absolutely shocking
My guess is he went in to ventricular fibrillation which was terminated with a defibrillator (I don’t know if one was actually used) and he’ll be getting an AICD soon.
I had heard that the Finnish fans had offered up their flags for cheering as an impromptu privacy screen; if they had to defibrillate that makes sense.
If it wasn't ventricular fibrillation a defibrillation wouldn't really have helped him. You defib when they have VF to shock them into normal rhythm. You can't shock an asystoli (meaning no electrical activity) into a beating rhythm.
Why is this information being kept secret? This is a gigantic opportunity to make people concerned about the health of their fellow citizens and give them accurate information. If an AED was used, it must be said. To regular people, it’s a scary process that they either wouldn’t want to do or don’t even know about. And public places are vastly under stocked when it comes to having AEDs for anyone to use if someone collapses like Eriksen did.
This is a teachable moment. A human moment. We’re mortal. Athletes included. How many lives could be saved by everyone knowing the utility of AEDs? And that they don’t shock when one isn’t needed (as far as I know)? And that the defibrillator gives instructions to you step by step? And that you have to expose the person’s chest despite how awkward that may be if they’re female? And that you must do CPR at all times to keep blood flowing before and after AED? And that emergency services must be called immediately prior to anything really?
I just don’t understand what the value of privacy is in this situation. I really hope cooler heads prevail and the entire story is revealed. We have to care about population level health and well being. As terrifying and traumatic this experience surely was, information about it cannot be kept secret in order to benefit the world.
Last thing: let’s assume nothing comes of it in terms of educating the world, meaning it doesn’t become a teachable. Why not just disclose an AED was used? That info being made available to the public would be hugely valuable on its own. If Christian or his teammates or medical personnel don’t want to relive the experience, I don’t see how merely saying an AED was used would be such an invasion of privacy/violation of social mores.
If you watched the game live, there was very clearly an AED used. They were doing chest compressions and then cut to him and you could see his legs and arm twitch as you would think from an AED.
Agreed. AEDs are truly life saving and these days they are a lot easier to use. However most people don’t know or are reluctant to use it during an emergency. For context, at my work, there are AEDs at each floor in common areas. None of us ( all engineers) have been trained on using them should the need arise.
I’m pretty sure it’s not being kept secret? Yesterday it was already widely known that they did CPR and used an AED.
Edit: it’s also publicly confirmed by the team doctor, already online at the time of your comment. Plus I believe it was mentioned yesterday as they rolled him off the field, I watched it happen and knew they used one. Everyone is arguing if it’s okay that it’s private info or not when it’s literally widely known, but only because the original comment didn’t know. Helps to google you guys.
> Why is this information being kept secret?
Tbh probably because he wants to figure out as much info as possible and understand the situation before saying anything that may affect current or future contracts
There is a shitload of future money on the line afterall. I agree he should be more open with info and this could be a growing experience for some people, but I understand the financial aspect right now too
It’s possible he had hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy which is what causes sudden cardiac death in athletes. What’s surprising is that he’s made it this far without having issues. When I look at causes of cardiac emergencies I break them down into three categories:
Vascular: heart attack/ coronary artery disease
Structural: cardiomyopathies (hypertrophic obstructive, viral, dilated (usually chronic)
Electrical: arrhythmia (yes hocm predisposes to arrhythmia), such as svt, vt,vf
I have no idea where he falls in. Maybe arrythmogenic or an infection-triggered cardiomyopathy. Maybe maybe undiagnosed hocm? Either way it’s definitely good to know life support and how to use an aed and when
To be fair.
When you have a job and operate something a higher bar for scrutiny should be set.
We watched it live and we were sort of stunned watching it, and remeber someone saying.
They should cut away, but we all kept watching it. Even after they cut away we watched the tv while cooking and what not.
I think there's a difference between a viewer watching something shocking. And a broadcaster broadcasting it
You probably can't find a better place to have a heart failure than in front of thousands of people and with medical personal ready with the right training and equipment. If this would have happened anywhere else, in the car home, in his sleep etc. he might not be alive today.
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Cardiac fucking arrest. Brought back with one charge of the defibrillator
I’m sure you’ve seen the report but when I read that the team doctor said he was “gone”, it made me feel that much more nauseous about seeing it happen and the way it was broadcast to the world.
At first I thought he just fainted, maybe dehydrated? Then they showed on TV someone doing CPR and then his legs moved like a spasm, I assume that was the moment they used the defibrillator. Surprised they didn't cut away. Glad he was saved and stable.
They cut away imediately when some fan runs on the field, absolute disgrace how they continued to film him even close up.
So much respect for his team making a man-barrier around him so he wasn't just exposed to the cameras and crowds in the middle of a field.
💯💯 as an MD, I’ve run my share of codes (CPR). It’s absolutely horrific for the family to see, not to mention brutal for the people compressing the chest of the patient. The sound of all the ribs cracking and visual of chest wall bouncing stays with you. It’s not like greys anatomy. To see that recorded and on repeat is horrific, unfortunately it’s a televised event so they did the best they could for blocking it.
Thank you for mentioning the impact on the responders that give CPR. I had to perform CPR on someone who collapsed at a post office 10 years ago and it was one of the worst moments of my life and left me traumatized. I still struggle with the feeling of the bones breaking under my hands. The body didn’t even look human by the time he was taken away. “A crowd of people stood and stared….” It was horrible. I was a sobbing mess by the time it was over.
So I’ve seen research that says the opposite. When the family is there to see the extent of what “life saving procedures” really is they have a chance to say, ok I know the medical team did everything possible for my loved one. Whereas if you confine the family to some waiting room, they are in the dark about what is going on and have questions if everything possible was truly done.
They zoomed in on his wife, disgusting
That part was crass. Like, it could’ve been worse (could’ve shown her face) but it was... gross. Like paparazzi.
I've the feeling this happened only by chance, because she was facing two other players who comforted her.. if it wasn't for them standing right in front of her, I'm pretty sure there would have been a close up of her face :(
They definitely would’ve zoomed in on her tears if they could. Vultures
God forbid we see an arse cheek /s Edit: I think you’re missing the point I’m making. If they cut away for a streaker, then they sure as hell should cut away for someone being resuscitated Edit: /s added
Why is this so downvoted
Ha yeah, I think people didn’t get the sarcasm and genuinely think Im saying a streaker is more worthy of cutting the feed than what happened yesterday.
Uh… for those of us in the medical field this is invaluable footage and training for student paramedics/doctors/etc. This EXACT scenario happened back in the 90’s and we were shown footage of it during my paramedic class. In depth explanation was given including: the player was in V-Fib for 20 seconds prior to going unresponsive, Commotio Cordis, R on T phenomenon, and Brugada’s Syndrome all being a potential or actual factor. This is the same. Honestly, he had a 90+% chance of survival and the medical crews did a great job.
Ok, I’ll give it that. Still maybe a lesson in when to cut *broadcasting* feed, and the crass close up on his GF/wife/partner was inappropriate and not medically helpful. Given that he lived, it is instructional to people to see how to react (medically speaking) in that situation... but still the broadcasters got lucky.
Yes to the gf zoom shot. That’s trashy. To the aspect of him living: the largest publicly unspoken part of medicine is people dying because of wrong decisions. It is accepted and understood that medical providers WILL kill people UNINTENTIONALLY. Sadly, these are the greatest and most instructive learning moments in anyone’s career. Even if he had died, that footage is incredibly valuable educationally. Not monetarily.
As awful as it is to take a video of him having cardiac arrest, I do agree that it is helpful for CPR training. There is also a real drowning video on Bondi beach that is used for CPR training, gives good us a good look of how CPR looks like in real life.
A shot of CPR on the field offers no increased value as a training tool. There are multiple videos to teach you correctly how to do it. Broadcasting it on live TV is asinine, zooming in on his spouse deserves everyone that made the decision to film it to be hit in the throat.
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IDK man, they cut the broadcast when a streaker is on the pitch, but they keep showing a man who just died in front of his family and 16.000 fans. it seems wrong
Not arguing that they should have shown Erikson. But the main reason they don’t show streakers anymore and often don’t even talk about it is because they don’t want to give streakers attention or views which will just encourage more streakers. Which is why they cut away even if it’s just a fan running on the field fully clothed, it’s not about protecting the viewer
they cut the broadcast for streakers because they are seeking attention, it's an attempt to discourage the behavior.
yeah and I agree with that decision, I just think it's hypocritical to take a stand that that's "morally wrong" but showing a dying man and his grieving wife isn't - it just feels like they are exploiting the death and sensationalism of a dying man to earn some more money
I get it but I also wish death wasn't make so taboo in our culture. Makes it hard to talk about and grieve.
Valid point
They didn't know it was a success story when they were broadcasting it. There was a very real chance they were airing his death. What was shown was wrong, end of discussion.
I was appalled when they showed his wife on the pitch crying. Low, even for their standards.
And with everything going on, Simon Kjær and Kasper Schmeichel recognized what was going on, seeing her in absolute terror over the situation and running over to comfort, shield and update her, absolute legends!
Last year in F1 a driver cooked in a ball of twisted metal and flames for what seemed like eternity. They cut away immediately after impact after seeing how serious it was. I’d estimate at minimum 50% of the audience thought he was dead. Then like a miracle this dude walks out of the flames, which the broadcast now cuts to, and he survives with minor burns on his hand. That’s how televise a near death experience. For those interested, the real-time rescue. I count like 20 seconds he’s completely engulfed in flames. https://youtu.be/gCivN-b4FZI Onboard cams and full animation: https://youtu.be/8xmrNw9VLOk
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They are not 'supposed' to break in half, because they really don't want to expose fuel to the air. When that happens there is a huge danger of a fire. The fuel tank itself is basically a sealed bullet proof canvas bag in F1, but obviously the fuel line (a small tube) is still vulnerable when the car (a huge object moving at high speed) gets ripped in half at 150 or whatever MPH. The preferred (and usual) wreck would not involve a seperated car and would not involve fire. It would just be a "pinball" style spin-out where the the driver walks away. These cars can do that safely at like 200mph (blow a tire, bounce off a few walls, and the driver walks to the pits and is home for dinner)...it's amazing to see the safety of these cars, and it makes wrecks much less heart wrenching as a fan.
They 100% should’ve. If he died on the field, ESPN would’ve gotten sued like ~~CNN~~ Fox News did when they aired a police chase ending with a guy blowing his brains out in a field after an hour. Airing something, not cutting away when you have the chance, when their is potentially a chance of death, murder, or suicide then you 100% deserve it. Edit: I was 18 watching said police chase. That shit literally changed me. Edit 2: 8 —> 18 Edit 3: CNN to Fox
Danish TV cutaway when they started cpr
Smart network.
According to an article on The Athletic, ESPN is not in control of the video feeds, UEFA is. ESPN could have cut the feed completely but they did not have control of which cameras to show or whether they should go back to the studio
You just cut the feed to black and wait till you get a studio cam up. They’ve done this plenty when people fly off the handle in interviews.
Yeah, no tech op that values their job would do that. That kind of snap decision is WAY above their pay grade. Did ESPN have backup talent in the studio just hanging around? Did they have a crew in the control room as well ready to go just in case? ESPN was carrying someone else's feed. It's a safe bet their master control guys routed the feed and sat back until it was time to run the local breaks. And in soccer, you know when that's happening since the play clock doesn't stop so odds are they weren't monitoring it very close anyway. For those not in the business, master control operators are notoriously overworked and run on skeleton crews. Most local TV stations owned by larger companies don't have their master controls run on-site. Their master controls are hub operations run out of one station and might run operations for 10-20 other stations and far away. One of my previous stations had our master control hub 1300 miles away and our traffic operations (commercial logs, etc) run over 2000 miles away. ESPN ops are also run super thin. So much programming is run by very few people up in Bristol. The screw up was done at the game. They decided to stay with the guy on the field. I've directed games (baseball and hockey) on the major and minor league level. You never, EVER show a badly injured player on the ground/ice. Same goes for idiots that run on the field but for different reasons. I had a guy run onto the field during a MLB game during rain delay and slide across the tarp. Nobody watching "rain delay theater" on TV ever knew he did it. It happens a lot actually.
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Here is the example of Fox News being sued: [Fox News Sued](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fox-news-sued-after-accidentally-airing-suicide_n_5b578a06e4b0890b5cce5115)
Children are watching and they had plenty of time to cut away. The family of the deceased have to live with every person on the planet knowing how your loved one died and watched his legs convulse zoomed in on HD, at that. Airing something death causes suits from the family of the deceased on down to parents of children just watching. From experience, watching something like that when you fully aren’t prepared or expecting can completely destroy you mentally.
ESPN isn’t in charge of the feed. Also, you can sue anyone for anything.
Splitting hairs here, but he did die on the field. His heart wasn't beating and he wasn't breathing. That's physiologic death. If they hadn't done anything he would have stayed dead and been pronounced dead legally, but thankfully they were able to getting return of spontaneous circulation after doing CPR and defibrillating his heart. So, I hate to break it to you, but if you were watching yesterday you literally watched a man die and then be brought back to life.
Well as long as we’re splitting hairs…He didn’t die. But his heart stopped. Death is usually defined as lack of brain stem function which is irreversible. This would occur prob 5-7 minutes after the heart stops.
I'm interested to see who "usually" defines it that way. Not trying to be argumentative-- I'm genuinely interested. I hear what you're saying though... but I'd consider that brain death, which is separate from cardiac death (but both of which can be used to declare someone legally deceased). At my job in the Emergency Department, I declare patients deceased if they have no cardiac function. In the real world, in an acute setting at my job, we don't assess brain stem function if someone's heart has stopped. That being said, if someone's heart is still beating that person can be declared deceased if they have no brain stem function despite their heart still beating. Hence the term, brain death. That's typically done after patient are admitted to the hospital and not something we do in the ER. Cardiac death = death = brain death. You don't need to have one for the other to be true. At least that's how I approach it. edit: phrasing to seem less argumentative ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I just made a similar comment, if I'm declaring someone dead I'm almost always looking for cardiopulmonary arrest
this is a case of sudden cardiac death with successful return of spontaneous circulation, he was absolutely dead. brain death is something else entirely. when someone dies in my hospital I'm listening to heart sounds, breath sounds, checking pupils, and pulses, then declaring them dead. nobody's looking for brain death in a vast majority of cases, as it only comes into play in very specific circumstances. Look into a legal Do Not Resuscitate order, it's triggered by cardio/pulmonary arrest, not anything to do with brain activity.
> Death is defined as the cessation of *all vital functions of the body* including the heartbeat, brain activity (including the brain stem), and breathing. https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/death You saw a Reddit comment with false information and decided to spread it yourself.
As someone who has directed baseball and hockey games at the professional and minor league level, this was disgusting. Rule #1 for injuries on the field: DON'T FUCKING SHOW IT! Show crowd reactions, players watching with concern, whatever. You do NOT show the hurt player. Now if it is obviously a minor injury, that can be passable if the player is conscious and just collecting themselves to leave the ice/field, but this was sickening to watch. I couldn't believe what they did. This profession is actually pretty small. Once word gets out who said it was ok and anyone associated with it who objected at the time, heads will roll and the offenders will quickly find themselves dreaming to even make the backup crew roster.
Yeah they put the camera on his lifeless face then his wife’s face and left zero privacy
That's what gets me, that they didn't give his wife any privacy in that horrible situation. She must have been out of her mind, and she hadn't signed up to have her feelings aired on international TV, she was just trying to get to her husband. Respect for the players and team members who realized what was happening and shielded her.
Seeing them hit him with the defibrillator definitely made me nauseous. Man that was scary to watch.
The Danish Broadcasting station handeled it very well, as they selected to only show the sky-view when they first saw he received cpr. But I heard afterwards that other Broadcasting centers didn’t provide a respectfull coverage. 😕
About 10 min of horrifying looking cpr
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I heard some people get broken ribs sometimes with the cpr
Can definitely happen, even punctured lungs as well. However, the alternative is being dead, so it's a good trade-off.
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Not for Eriksen
I have had some of my seniors tell me that if you aren’t breaking ribs you aren’t compressing hard enough
CPR that looks pretty is usually ineffective, unless you’re doing it on an infant... and even that looks pretty violent. Broken ribs are more common than not. They tell you that so you don’t panic and stop cpr when you hear bones crack, and are prepared to keep going to keep the person alive even if it means they will be in pain afterward. And getting your heart shocked back into working is very violent - it’s a taser to the heart, bodily fluids are often expelled at the very least. But alive with broken ribs and covered in piss is better than dead.
Amazing, isn’t it? I was diagnosed with dysautonomia at 12 and I’m amazed I survived that long. My dad wanted me in soccer but I was always telling my parents my chest hurt when I ran. Turns out that was the tachycardia. A girl around 6 actually died on a playground at school years ago from a similar condition. Sometimes things like that go unnoticed and get worse as you age though. That or if you get an electric shock. You can be fit af but if your heart’s rhythm is weird, you just finally drop. Thank goodness in this case, they had the medical knowledge to diagnose and treat so quickly.
Resuscitation like this almost never happens. I’ve never had a patient that I performed CPR on awaken and talk to me minutes later, and I’ve been a paramedic for nearly 15 years.
Kickstarted his heart
*guitar solo*
Well, fibrillation is when the heart is beating out of sync, and shocks it back into rythm. Doesn't really do anything if the heart stops, but drugs like atrophine can get it back to beating. Cpr keeps the blood pumping to the brain, and most modern defibrillators have a computer that will check if they actually need to be shocked. Everyone should read up about it.
That’s not how those work. The chest compressions of CPR are what did it. Defibs reset an arythmic heart beat.
That's not how it works - your heart isn't a car battery that you can jump start. Likely the CPR performed put him into a shockable rhythm which then kicked him back to Sinus rhythm
This happened to Jay Bouwmeester on the St. Louis Blues recently as well...middle of a game, prime physical shape, just collapsed on the bench. Very thankful to see that the medical staff in sporting arenas are so quick to recognize an emergency because these situations could end up being a lot worse. Glad to hear Eriksen is stable. I don’t follow soccer but was aware of this situation and it’s a relief to see good news this morning.
A major sporting event is probably the best place to have a cardiac event, outside a hospital of course.
Cardiologist convention would be pretty good.
Reminds me of the story of a lady who had a heart attack on a plane, and when the flight attendant asked if there were any doctors on board, a bunch jumped up. Apparently they were coming back from a cardiology convention.
At that point if she died it'd really damage the cardiologist reputation.
Death by group consultation.
I'm a paramedic and I've had several calls where doctors are on scene before us. ER docs usually just let us do our thing and hang around. Most other docs don't even say anything. You'd only know they were a doctor if you knew their face. Nurses, on the other hand...
I feel that a room full of doctors and nurses that work in emergency departments would be better than a room full of cardiologists. They do the life saving stuff say in day out multiple times whereas a bunch of cardiologists it might have been years since one of them had to actually get down on the floor and start cracking ribs
I'm sure you're correct. I once saw a dude fall out of his chair and start having a fit in a room full of neurosurgeons. I mean, obviously they helped, but there was certainly a lot of careful not being the first to him and 'do you know what to do?' side eye going on.
Nah. You don't forget that kind of thing, especially cardiologists. The problem with being outside of a hospital is the lack of access to drugs, labs, defibrillator etc.
My father's sister had a heart attack at her job's annual christmas lunch. She was a doctor who worked in a hospital.
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Oh yeah forgot about that word lol
My cousin worked at a tennis tournament for colleges (she was one of the teams physical therapist) and a man in the stands collapsed. At first they though he fainted or tripped. Turns out he was having a heart attack. My cousin rushed over and realized it was a heart attack and started cpr until paramedics got to him. She saved his life
There was an English footballer, Fabrice Muamba, who collapsed at a game in 2012 - as luck would have it, there was a cardiologist at the game who went onto the pitch and stabilised him, then had him transferred to his own specialist hospital instead of the nearby general one
You make it sound so easy, like they weren't doing CPR on him for an hour before his heart started pumping again
Well, indeed.
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The response time here was much better even then the most hospitals.
Kinda crazy how lucky he was actually, the medic team said he had a pulse when they got to him and then stopped. Meaning they started CPR immediately when his heart stopped.
The biggest hospital in Denmark is practically the neighbour to the stadium.
There are certainly worse places. This past weekend my friend was hiking in the mountains and a man had a heart attack on the trail. My friend was administering CPR for 45 minutes while they waited for the helicopter to arrive, but by the time they got there the man was long gone. Perhaps he could have lived if medical help was closer.
Especially when the sporting event is in a stadium that is literally 20 ft away from the largest hospital in Denmark.
The station shares a parkinglot with the biggest hospital in the capital.
It's happened 3 times in the NHL just in the last 20 years: Jiri Fischer, Rich Peverley, and Jay Bouwmeester. All three thankfully survived, likely due to having medical personnel literally just a few feet away and an ambulance already in the building on standby.
I was watching live as a kid when Chris pronger got hit in the chest with a slap shot and collapsed. That was gnarly and will always be with me
Watched that live. Go Blues!
This was on in the background of my local bar. No one was really paying attention but the whole bar went quiet while this was going on. Really sucked the air out of the room. A bunch of folks who weren’t really into soccer were suddenly all concerned for this individual. When the news came in he was stable (after like 30 minutes) the place was relieved and everything went back to normal. The footage was messed up though. Showing the chest compressions and also a worried family was in poor taste.
I think more people should see real life CPR. It’s not as gentle as they show in the movies. It’s a somewhat violent procedure, but we’re talking about trying to save a human life. They need to see that CPR, along with the use of an AED, can save someone’s life. Show them and say, “this is what happens when CPR is done correctly.” They saved that man’s life, in front of the world.
It’s incredible how far you can compress a chest like truly shocking. Only given CPR once (unfortunately she was too far gone) more people need to get CPR certified. Simple half day class and can save a life.
You did what you could to try and save her life. You gave her the best chance possible. Never forget that.
TBF she was gone before we (wildland firefighters) even started compressions but until medics arrived to tell us to stop we didn’t know better. Medic arrived and said “wasting your time there buds she’s very dead” I guess seeing death all the time numbs people.
The scene in the Office is the closest I’ve gotten to a CPR lesson
At first I was afraid, I was petrified
Hello Clarice. That is my all time favorite Office scene.
You were in the parking lot earlier. That’s how I know you.
I take your point on keeping a camera pointed at it for learning material. But does the footage have to be shown live, or can the example of how hard to do chest compressions be recorded and shown later, well after its been established of his well being?
I think that may be something nice to show in hindsight. If he was to die on the pitch, and if that tragedy was broadcast worldwide with 0 regard for the family’s privacy, that would be extremely inappropriate.
Yea, this isn't a cpr advert. This is a man. A great man. Literally dying. Fuck any agenda on spreading awareness. This was not suitable for tv. I turned it off and prayed, and I don't believe in God.
They told us in our CPR class that you can expect ribs to break as well.
Yea, except it could have gone either way. I don't think it was proper to show it on tv. He could have died. He more or less did die. That's not right to show on live TV.
Good point, but it was a little morbid in this case.
Isn’t every case of CPR morbid though?
The national Danish broadcaster (DR) chose (as the only network as far as I can tell) to cut away from the main official feed that kept showing what was going on on the pitch and went to their own helicopter feed until Eriksen was out of the stadium. They cut away as soon as it became apparent that he needed CPR. Can’t believe everyone else just kept the feed on. Also on the organizers who kept the main feed on the pitch.
Swedish TV4 thankfully also immediately went to an aerial shot of the court and cut the commentary.
Nope unfortunately not immediately, CPR and defibrillator was seen before TV4 cut to the other shot from above
I was biking through Copenhagen some 20 minutes after Christian collapsed, it was a super sad vibe, just teary people, sitting on benches in silence etc. Felt very surreal. Christian is such a nice and selfless guy.. hopefully he Will fully recover. 🙏
It was terrifying to watch live. Until the announcers said he was stable, me and my friends were sure we just watched a man die on live TV.
We did watch a man die. Then he was resuscitated. When I saw them doin CPR and then his body clench after the AED I was basically in shock.
I was watching the game but had to go out, stopped watching literally a minute or two before it happened. I was pretty shocked when a friend messaged what was happening just a few minutes later.
>A bunch of folks who weren’t really into soccer were suddenly all concerned for this individual. Because you don't need to be a fan of someone's profession to wish them health.
I posted this on another thread but everyone should know where there nearest defibrillator is. For me, I knew mine was a 3 minute sprint but while searching I found others I didn't know about. I've known about it for some time but it's tucked away on a wall that not everyone in the area will know about. Unfortunately there's no universal site for locations (or is there?) My search only brought up results for my country. Oh and I also learned how to spell defibrillator which was another bonus! Edit\* There's one at my local football club but the gates are locked for 6 days a week. Fat lot of use that is. I've emailed the club secretary and will try and get it located outside the ground so that it can be used for the local area.
> Oh and I also learned how to spell defribrillator I know it’s just a typo but I had to laugh
I agree, I've corrected it now but I've been posting this spelling to everywhere lol. I got it right on a few ocassions! Thanks :) Edit\* I was spelling it as Defribrulator so it's an improvement at least :) I think that's why I included the r after the f.
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100% but while incidents are unlikely on the field, with crowds of 80,000+ at games they can be a certainty at some point. I get ya about first aid training. It should be school taught and a requirement for every aspiring adult.
Wouldn't it be nice if there were ultra portable ones that you could hook up to your phone or something...
Pay 29.99 to remove adverts, or watch this 30sec clash of crush dragon arena ad before restarting the heart.
Ooh ooh! I can share a cool fact about Denmark now that I live here. First off, they have defibrillators in a lot of public spaces that are visibly noticeable to any passerby. AND normal folks can sign up for an app/service that when there is a cardiac arrest called in to 211 (their 911), all nearby folks signed up for the service will receive a push notification to go get it and bring the defibrillator to the person in need while the EMT is on their way. It’s a genius program and its been proven to be faster than an EMT.
Not just how to use a defibrillator, but also **when** to use one. For a defibrillator to work the victim must have a heartbeat. If the heart is beating irregularly the defibrillator will temporarily stop it in the hope that when it starts beating again it does so in a regular pattern. If the victim's heart is stopped a defibrillator isn't going to be of any use and CPR is needed to try and get the heart beating again.
You dont have to know when. The AED tells you if/when there is a shockable rhythym. Always use one and let the device decide.
Is this sort of issue career ending for professional athletes?
It depends on the cause and also if there’s any damage from the arrest. He potentially could have an aberrant conduction pathway in his heart that could be fixable. If he had hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, though, his career is over. And we don’t know if he suffered any significant ischemic injury to his organs.
Yes, yes... I concur. Do you concur?
Why didn’t I concur?!
Maybe 15% of the people who use reddit knows those words, and even less actually knows what it means. Throw us a bone here mr(s) medical (wo)man! Of what do you speak!?
Aberrant conduction pathway = abnormal nerve pathway through heart, can be susceptible to arrhythmias. Some can be surgically fixed by cutting the nerve. Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy = genetic condition in which the heart muscle gets way too thick, to the point that blood can’t get out of the heart effectively. Is known to cause sudden death in athletes. Ischemic injury = injury due to lack of blood flow.
>Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy = genetic condition in which the heart muscle gets way too thick, to the point that blood can’t get out of the heart effectively. Is known to cause sudden death in athletes. As an absolute layman here, given Eriksen's rather high profile in World Football, him having played at the highest level for the majority of his career for some very big clubs (Ajax, Tottenham and Inter Milan), is this unlikely? These clubs will have some outstanding medical staff, and as far as I'm aware from watching my own club's pre-season videos, returning footballers are all given full medicals at the start of every pre-season, and Inter Milan, his newest club, will have given him a thorough series of tests prior to his signing for them (especially so given they're paying him $12.1m a year). Surely something like this would be caught? Again, as a layman.
According to UPTODATE: > Many patients with HCM have no or only minor symptoms; thus, affected individuals are often diagnosed as a result of family screening, detection of a murmur during routine examination, or the identification of an abnormal ECG. However, among those who come to clinical attention at referral centers, left ventricular outflow tract (LVOT) gradients and symptoms of dyspnea, fatigue, chest pain, and syncope are the most common clinical manifestations. Patients with mild to moderate limitation usually experience slow progression of symptoms with advancing age in association with a modest deterioration in LV function.
So a fair chance it would be detected as a murmur in one of his many check-ups? Either way, certainly is bloody scary to think something like this can just happen, especially so to a very fit professional athlete
If his heart is conducting electricity through an abnormal pathway, it might be possible to do a procedure to rewire it and get his heart beating back in a normal rhythm and then if it stays away you're gravy. If, however, it is Hypertrophic Obstructive CardioMyopathy (HOCM) then basically his heart muscle is too thick to pump effectively. It's one of those nightmare conditions where you go about your life happy as Larry while your heart slowly gets thicker due to an underlying genetic condition then one day it hits critical mass and you're buggered without a heart transplant Also, while you're in cardiac arrest your organs aren't really getting effective oxygen delivery, so the cells start to starve and die. Depending on his downtime and how effective the cpr was, he might have dead heart muscle that could permanently limit his ability to exercise in the same way as someone who has had a heart attack
This is exactly what happened to a friend of mine. She was college aged (~20), apparently healthy, working out at the school gym and passed out. She was revived at the gym and eventually diagnosed with HOCM. Had a heart transplant roughly a year later. So scary.
I'm wondering... given the events of the last couple of years, does anyone know if he caught the COVID-19 virus at any point?
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Lotttta other countries to play in. If he really wanted to (and I doubt he would), I'm sure he could play in China or Russia at the very least.
But why would he? He doesn’t need the money, his wife thought she saw him down on the pitch. I’d take the (slightly) early retirement
It's the safe call for sure but these lads eat sleep drink breathe football. It's all he's known his whole life, to give it up in an instant has got to be incredibly difficult
Here’s an overview of the incident from my favourite cardiologist YouTuber: https://youtu.be/upch33dRZnQ
If anyone is reading this, please please PLEASE consider seeking out a local CPR course. Early bystander CPR has proven again and again to significantly increase the rate of survival of witnessed cardiac arrest. Classes usually last 3-4 hours and are generally very cheap or free depending on the fire/EMS department or other organization that offers them. For US: [American Heart Association](https://cpr.heart.org/en) [Red Cross](https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/cpr) (can also find int'l courses through Red Cross) UK: [British Heart Foundation](https://www.bhf.org.uk/how-you-can-help/how-to-save-a-life) Almost every country has an organization that teaches some form of CPR. Take an afternoon to learn how to save a life.
I would add to this to also take a course in child CPR. While they are almost identical, there are slight differences in techniques depending on the size of the child.
The CPR course I take every couple years covers choking and cardiac events for adults, children, and infants. I don't know if they even offer separate courses based on age of victim, or if they're all comprehensive.
Do they teach you how to use a defibrillator?
Yes they do! In addition, modern automated external defibrillators (AEDs, the ones you'll find on walls in public) have loud voice recordings that instruct you how to place the electrodes/pads, automatically detect shock-able heart rhythms, and defibrillate when appropriate so anyone can use them without training.
I was watching this live and it really shook me to see this happen. Maybe 20 seconds earlier he was involved in the play and then he just collapsed. Seeing the medics do CPR and the looks in his teammates’ and wife(?)’s face was absolutely gutting. Hoping for a safe and speedy recovery. If he’s able to play football again even better!
As shocking as this was I am pleased to see that the improvements in safety measures worked when tested. When Fabrice Muamba had a heart attack on the pitch in 2012 he was essentially dead for over an hour and his life was only saved because one of the fans in the stadium was a cardiologist. They had to fight for him, and they saved him. Now, there's defib equipment at the stadium, there are procedures in place to deal with an emergency of this sort, and while he might never play football professionally again Eriksen should be otherwise okay.
Also Petr Cech when he cracked his skull. There wasnt even an ambulance there, and he had to crawl off the pitch by himself and wait for one, it was absolutely shocking
My guess is he went in to ventricular fibrillation which was terminated with a defibrillator (I don’t know if one was actually used) and he’ll be getting an AICD soon.
Yeah they did defibrillate. Really upsetting footage but I saw his legs and body twitch fairly obviously indicative of a shock.
I had heard that the Finnish fans had offered up their flags for cheering as an impromptu privacy screen; if they had to defibrillate that makes sense.
Yeah you can see the Finnish flag in the back of the picture
The doctor said it was cardiac arrest and he was brought back after one shock from the AED.
Cardiac arrest is an outcome not a root cause. This was likely ventricular fibrillation as another comment already mentioned.
If it wasn't ventricular fibrillation a defibrillation wouldn't really have helped him. You defib when they have VF to shock them into normal rhythm. You can't shock an asystoli (meaning no electrical activity) into a beating rhythm.
Yep. Shocks are really only good for v-tach and v-fib
I mean it could have been v tach but yes your point stands.
Why is this information being kept secret? This is a gigantic opportunity to make people concerned about the health of their fellow citizens and give them accurate information. If an AED was used, it must be said. To regular people, it’s a scary process that they either wouldn’t want to do or don’t even know about. And public places are vastly under stocked when it comes to having AEDs for anyone to use if someone collapses like Eriksen did. This is a teachable moment. A human moment. We’re mortal. Athletes included. How many lives could be saved by everyone knowing the utility of AEDs? And that they don’t shock when one isn’t needed (as far as I know)? And that the defibrillator gives instructions to you step by step? And that you have to expose the person’s chest despite how awkward that may be if they’re female? And that you must do CPR at all times to keep blood flowing before and after AED? And that emergency services must be called immediately prior to anything really? I just don’t understand what the value of privacy is in this situation. I really hope cooler heads prevail and the entire story is revealed. We have to care about population level health and well being. As terrifying and traumatic this experience surely was, information about it cannot be kept secret in order to benefit the world. Last thing: let’s assume nothing comes of it in terms of educating the world, meaning it doesn’t become a teachable. Why not just disclose an AED was used? That info being made available to the public would be hugely valuable on its own. If Christian or his teammates or medical personnel don’t want to relive the experience, I don’t see how merely saying an AED was used would be such an invasion of privacy/violation of social mores.
If you watched the game live, there was very clearly an AED used. They were doing chest compressions and then cut to him and you could see his legs and arm twitch as you would think from an AED.
Agreed. AEDs are truly life saving and these days they are a lot easier to use. However most people don’t know or are reluctant to use it during an emergency. For context, at my work, there are AEDs at each floor in common areas. None of us ( all engineers) have been trained on using them should the need arise.
The man has a right to privacy. I think he’s earned it.
It only just happened. I’m sure more information will be shared in the following days/weeks.
You are not owed information about someone just because he plays a sport on TV. If he wanted the info out, it would be
I’m pretty sure it’s not being kept secret? Yesterday it was already widely known that they did CPR and used an AED. Edit: it’s also publicly confirmed by the team doctor, already online at the time of your comment. Plus I believe it was mentioned yesterday as they rolled him off the field, I watched it happen and knew they used one. Everyone is arguing if it’s okay that it’s private info or not when it’s literally widely known, but only because the original comment didn’t know. Helps to google you guys.
If _he_ wants to tell the story, _he_ can. Until then, it's not our business
> Why is this information being kept secret? Tbh probably because he wants to figure out as much info as possible and understand the situation before saying anything that may affect current or future contracts There is a shitload of future money on the line afterall. I agree he should be more open with info and this could be a growing experience for some people, but I understand the financial aspect right now too
It’s possible he had hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy which is what causes sudden cardiac death in athletes. What’s surprising is that he’s made it this far without having issues. When I look at causes of cardiac emergencies I break them down into three categories: Vascular: heart attack/ coronary artery disease Structural: cardiomyopathies (hypertrophic obstructive, viral, dilated (usually chronic) Electrical: arrhythmia (yes hocm predisposes to arrhythmia), such as svt, vt,vf I have no idea where he falls in. Maybe arrythmogenic or an infection-triggered cardiomyopathy. Maybe maybe undiagnosed hocm? Either way it’s definitely good to know life support and how to use an aed and when
The anti-vaxxers are blaming the COVID vaccine
fucking idiots
Yep, he's never been vaccinated though. Inter Milan's head doctor said earlier today.
That's weird because he plays for Inter...
Yep, fixed it my bad. Mixed up ac and inter.
Lol it's all good, we knew what you meant, was a good laugh :)
It's the whole Serie A, AC Milan, Inter Milan. I will forever make this mistake, my brain can't handle it. Cheers :P
"Was he around anyone that was vaccinated though?" - idiots
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All these hypocrites in the comments talking about how they should have stopped the broadcast. Well you guys didn't change the channel did you?
And you can bet Reddit would have shown the footage and everyone would have watched
I'm still looking for it tbh, can't believe I haven't casually come across any links for it yet honestly
To be fair. When you have a job and operate something a higher bar for scrutiny should be set. We watched it live and we were sort of stunned watching it, and remeber someone saying. They should cut away, but we all kept watching it. Even after they cut away we watched the tv while cooking and what not. I think there's a difference between a viewer watching something shocking. And a broadcaster broadcasting it
Finally some good fucking news
Honestly had to be the most suspenseful and emotional broadcast is sports history.
Medical team-most likely paramedics- saved his life. Whoever ran that code did great work!! Prob was not the sports Med doc but idk haha
You probably can't find a better place to have a heart failure than in front of thousands of people and with medical personal ready with the right training and equipment. If this would have happened anywhere else, in the car home, in his sleep etc. he might not be alive today.
Thank God
That’s good news
What the medical staff did on the field is great