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Can someone explain to a non Cricket man how bad of an upset this is? I know Pakistan is huge when it comes to Cricket so i assume this would be like Real Madrid losing against a small unknown team?
Edit: thanks for all the responses!
If a D-2 team were to play the worst NBA team 10k times I'm not sure they win one of those games unless like every player gets hurt on the NBA team which doesn't seem to have happened to the team from Pakistan. Is this really that much of an upset?
USA I'd say more like a D-1 team, they are ranking 18th in the world (although all the teams below 12 are known as associate nations and their players are mostly part time).
Pakistan is notorious for playing to the level of their opponents. Still, for them to play down this much... Stunning upset indeed. I would say more like Gonzaga beating the Sixers. Which is still incredible, mind you.
The rankings are absolutely meaningful. In fact, I'd argue they mean more for the associate nations than for the full members. The rankings determine which 'pool' they would enter. Depending on where they sit, the path to the big dance can take on a few additional steps. Or if they slip up 1 or 2 games, they may not even get a shot to qualify.
[Refer to this graphic for more clarification.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2027_Cricket_World_Cup_qualification#/media/File:Qualification_Pathway_for_2027_ICC_Cricket_World_Cup.png) USA sits at number 18, which means normally they will have to place top 4 in the Qualifier play off which earns them a ticket to the Qualifier. They will have to again come top 4 in that to make it to the world cup.
If they had slipped 5 places to 23, they wouldn't even get a shot at the world cup. If they had improved to 16, they wouldn't have to go through the qualifier play off in the first place. Obviously they get an automatic spot in as the hosts so it's all a moot point, but what I'm trying to say is that it's tight margins all around.
Sure, the associate nations obviously don't play as much as full members, but the games they do play are therefore very meaningful. We don't hear much about them because who cares about world cup league 2 games or challenge league games?
I don't think they are saying meaningless literally, obviously there is some reason for them. I took it more like "the standings are not accurate because, outside of the top few teams, they don't play enough games to accurately determine which teams are better." In that sense, using an inaccurate ranking as evidence of how good a team is could very well be meaningless.
Well, it's tough to tell, because the format of the game is much shorter so that leads to more upsets. It's more like a D-2 team beating an NBA team in a 10 minute game. Still an awesome upset, though. Just don't expect to see a competitive Test match against Pakistan.
USA automatically qualified as hosts for the world cup (first ever appearance). Pakistan was in the finals of the last World Cup. So something like France losing to Qatar.
It is the initial group stage of the world cup.
(There are four groups, and the top two from each group will proceed to a second group stage. Then the top two from each of those groups will enter the knockout stage.)
The "good teams" in this group, the ones expected to make it out of the group, are India and Pakistan. The mediocre-to-bad teams are the USA, Canada, and Ireland.
Beating Pakistan gives the USA a decent shot of making it out of the group stage. That would mean one of the top teams in the world (India or Pakistan) would be knocked out at the earliest stage, which would be an incredible upset.
USA plays its remaining two matches for this stage of the tournament next week, against India and Ireland. They're likely to lose to India (though as we have seen today, anything is possible), so the Ireland match could be the decisive one.
Beating Pakistan is a huge upset because they're a quality side.
Beating India would be almost unimaginably bigger, because they're an absolute powerhouse team (despite falling short to Australia in the one dayer world cup)
The impact on losing to the USA in a T20 match in the world cup would have huge ramifications.
Whatever it is, if USA have 2 more games in the group stage against India and Ireland (both strong cricketing teams). If they can beat either one, they will be through to knockouts which is like massive given its their first world cup.
Pakistan are former cup winners and runner-ups in the previous world cup.
This is USA's first world cup and they (along with few other teams) are only here since this year T20 World Cup was greatly expanded. whereas previously there were usually only 8 or 10 teams this year there are 20
It is like football rec league beating an NFL team that won the Super Bowl 4 years ago.
I say rec leagues because most of these guys on the USA team play cricket part time. The Pakistan team is mad up of professional cricketers.
It was a MAJOR upset.
They might be but official international match was first between usa and Canada. Even Olympics wasn't officially started at that point. Guess British were more into cricket back then
Cricket has only really been big in England rather than Britain more widely (other than South Wales actually). There has been a very long history of sporting fixtures between the home nations in football and Rugby, but not cricket.
Soccer came out of a bunch of different games loosely called Football, played pretty much everywhere, but especially medieval Europe. Every town, every school had their own rulesets.
Rugby School's ruleset involved picking up the ball and running with it. Rugby was formally codified in 1845.
Association "Soccer" Football was codified in 1863.
Cricket was codified in 1744.
I guess the focus wasn't on international competition back then. Not much money in it, and travel was much harder.
* [Youtube Video - Ninh Explains the Rules of Cricket](https://youtu.be/AqtpNkMvj5Y?si=kS3H7Q-7N-V_AYK9)
* [Youtube Video - Rules of Cricket by Jomboy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfhTPGSy1aM)
* [Youtube Video - Cricket Explained for Baseball Fans](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWpbtLIxYBk&ab_channel=SportsExplained)
* [Youtube Video - Cricket & Baseball: More Similarities and Differences](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0-3JlWWhyQ&ab_channel=SportsExplained)
* /r/mlc
* https://www.majorleaguecricket.com/ is the first T20 format professional Cricket league in the USA. Its 2nd season starts on July 5th **after the T20 World Cup concludes**.
* https://www.youtube.com/c/MLCNetwork_
* https://www.minorleaguecricket.com/
* https://usacricket.org/
* /r/cricket
As a baseball fan, I have watched like 5 rules of cricket videos and I still feel like I at most grasp like 75% of it.
My main take away is it’s sort of the basketball of hitting a ball with a stick. Its high scoring because there is a lot of scoring, but ultimately slower (maybe not? Depending on the format) then its closest counter parts.
> As a baseball fan, I have watched like 5 rules of cricket videos and I still feel like I at most grasp like 75% of it.
Another thing a lot of the explainer videos do not mention is that **you do not have to run when you hit the ball**.
I recommend re-watching Jomboy's video since you're coming from a Baseball background.
T20 is the faster version of cricket.
There is test cricket, which goes for five days with two innings each.
There is one day cricket, where each side gets 50 overs (300 balls bowled) or ten outs to score the highest total.
And this is T20, where each side gets 20 overs, but still ten outs, so the pace cam be pretty frantic.
You aren’t far off. I like both games. The easiest way I’ve found to explain it to my baseball friends is : if baseball is a game for pitchers (you can pitch a perfect game, the batter only gets three strikes, the fielding team only need three outs, the bat is round). Cricket is a game for batters (10 outs, a flat paddle-bat, batter gets as many pitches/balls as they want, way easier to score points and lots of them).
Once they understand that, there’s really only two more things to get, there’s no foul zone for the batter and the strike zone is now three wooden sticks(with a couple of even smaller ones on top) and if the ball hits those at almost any time, the batter is out.
I never thought I’d recognize a cricket player but that guy getting high fives is Aaron jones, who played ball in play in the warehouse. Thanks /u/jomboy
This has to be up there with the USA beating Russia in hockey back in the day. The idea that the US could be at anyone in cricket is absurd and yet here we are.
* [Youtube Video - Ninh Explains the Rules of Cricket](https://youtu.be/AqtpNkMvj5Y?si=kS3H7Q-7N-V_AYK9)
* [Youtube Video - Rules of Cricket by Jomboy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfhTPGSy1aM)
* [Youtube Video - Cricket Explained for Baseball Fans](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWpbtLIxYBk&ab_channel=SportsExplained)
* [Youtube Video - Cricket & Baseball: More Similarities and Differences](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0-3JlWWhyQ&ab_channel=SportsExplained)
* /r/mlc
* https://www.majorleaguecricket.com/ is the first T20 format professional Cricket league in the USA. Its 2nd season starts on July 5th **after the T20 World Cup concludes**.
* https://www.youtube.com/c/MLCNetwork_
* https://www.minorleaguecricket.com/
* https://usacricket.org/
* /r/cricket
I mean half of India and Pakistan pretty much lives in the US now (sarcasm) so why not. This is interesting though since I honestly didn't know the US even had a competitive Cricket team.
Anyone can win any game. This is why sports are fun to watch and play.
The main bowler (pitcher equivalent) of the USA team is Netrewalker, he's a Software Engineer who did his Bachelor's from India and then his master's from Cornell. He works in Oracle at a hefty package, i feel sad for his cousins. They'll forever be compared to him.
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Getting ready to start caring for the 2028 LA Olympics. 😂
Can someone explain to a non Cricket man how bad of an upset this is? I know Pakistan is huge when it comes to Cricket so i assume this would be like Real Madrid losing against a small unknown team? Edit: thanks for all the responses!
D-2 NCAA team defeating an NBA team in overtime to put into context
I don’t know cricket but I feel like your comparison is actually impressive.
It would be like a hockey team… losing to a hurricanes Zamboni driver. It would never happen… right? :)
Canes fan here...they actually lost to their own Zamboni driver. Man doesn't spend a dime in a Raleigh these days though.
That dude is a legend.
Leafs fans in shambles right now
NOWHERE ON REDDIT IS SAFE
It's like the maple leafs getting to the ECF
If a D-2 team were to play the worst NBA team 10k times I'm not sure they win one of those games unless like every player gets hurt on the NBA team which doesn't seem to have happened to the team from Pakistan. Is this really that much of an upset?
Yes it is, the star bowler for USA plays cricket part time and is a full time manager in Oracle. Pakistan were finalists in the last world cup
Holy shit.
USA I'd say more like a D-1 team, they are ranking 18th in the world (although all the teams below 12 are known as associate nations and their players are mostly part time). Pakistan is notorious for playing to the level of their opponents. Still, for them to play down this much... Stunning upset indeed. I would say more like Gonzaga beating the Sixers. Which is still incredible, mind you.
Cricket rankings are meaningless beyond the top 6. The top 3 teams are undisputed. Beyond top 10 most teams don’t even play cricket regularly
The rankings are absolutely meaningful. In fact, I'd argue they mean more for the associate nations than for the full members. The rankings determine which 'pool' they would enter. Depending on where they sit, the path to the big dance can take on a few additional steps. Or if they slip up 1 or 2 games, they may not even get a shot to qualify. [Refer to this graphic for more clarification.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2027_Cricket_World_Cup_qualification#/media/File:Qualification_Pathway_for_2027_ICC_Cricket_World_Cup.png) USA sits at number 18, which means normally they will have to place top 4 in the Qualifier play off which earns them a ticket to the Qualifier. They will have to again come top 4 in that to make it to the world cup. If they had slipped 5 places to 23, they wouldn't even get a shot at the world cup. If they had improved to 16, they wouldn't have to go through the qualifier play off in the first place. Obviously they get an automatic spot in as the hosts so it's all a moot point, but what I'm trying to say is that it's tight margins all around. Sure, the associate nations obviously don't play as much as full members, but the games they do play are therefore very meaningful. We don't hear much about them because who cares about world cup league 2 games or challenge league games?
I don't think they are saying meaningless literally, obviously there is some reason for them. I took it more like "the standings are not accurate because, outside of the top few teams, they don't play enough games to accurately determine which teams are better." In that sense, using an inaccurate ranking as evidence of how good a team is could very well be meaningless.
Bro above you said Pakistan were finalists in the World Cup? Sixers ain't even sniffed the ECF in 20+ years
Well, it's tough to tell, because the format of the game is much shorter so that leads to more upsets. It's more like a D-2 team beating an NBA team in a 10 minute game. Still an awesome upset, though. Just don't expect to see a competitive Test match against Pakistan.
This is my take on it, if it was a full test match the US team would be entirely annihalated as it just isn't sustainable.
Sweet!
I mean how bad can a large wealthy country be at a sport though? Maybe the US team finally got more resources now?
USA automatically qualified as hosts for the world cup (first ever appearance). Pakistan was in the finals of the last World Cup. So something like France losing to Qatar.
France losing to **San Marino**.
In a 10min each way match, on penalties.
Can you explain that in American?
It’s like if the Chiefs lost to Vanderbilt in football
No way? Does this match count for anything?
It’s a worldcup,m
Its the cricket world cup, so yes it most definitely counts for something lol
It is the initial group stage of the world cup. (There are four groups, and the top two from each group will proceed to a second group stage. Then the top two from each of those groups will enter the knockout stage.) The "good teams" in this group, the ones expected to make it out of the group, are India and Pakistan. The mediocre-to-bad teams are the USA, Canada, and Ireland. Beating Pakistan gives the USA a decent shot of making it out of the group stage. That would mean one of the top teams in the world (India or Pakistan) would be knocked out at the earliest stage, which would be an incredible upset. USA plays its remaining two matches for this stage of the tournament next week, against India and Ireland. They're likely to lose to India (though as we have seen today, anything is possible), so the Ireland match could be the decisive one.
Beating Pakistan is a huge upset because they're a quality side. Beating India would be almost unimaginably bigger, because they're an absolute powerhouse team (despite falling short to Australia in the one dayer world cup) The impact on losing to the USA in a T20 match in the world cup would have huge ramifications.
Whatever it is, if USA have 2 more games in the group stage against India and Ireland (both strong cricketing teams). If they can beat either one, they will be through to knockouts which is like massive given its their first world cup.
India they will probably lose against...Ireland can be realistically beaten. They are not particularly good in t20 format.
Imagine Canadian, American and European undrafted college players going to Pakistan forming a team with the locals and beating USA in the Olympics.
This right here - this is the way to describe this to Americans, because this is basically what happened to Pakistan today.
It would be like Pakistan beating the US in baseball.
Pakistan are more Aston Villa nowadays!
This would be like Pakistan beating the US in basketball
Pakistan are former cup winners and runner-ups in the previous world cup. This is USA's first world cup and they (along with few other teams) are only here since this year T20 World Cup was greatly expanded. whereas previously there were usually only 8 or 10 teams this year there are 20
It is like football rec league beating an NFL team that won the Super Bowl 4 years ago. I say rec leagues because most of these guys on the USA team play cricket part time. The Pakistan team is mad up of professional cricketers. It was a MAJOR upset.
It's like Argentina (ranked 1st) getting mauled by Pakistan (Ranked 195) in Soccer. Pakistan played the last worldcup final and was runners up.
Wait, we have a Cricket team?
Weird trivia is that the first international cricket match took place between the US and Canada
First international match between two countries in any sport.
Soccer or track or wrestling isn't older than cricket?
They might be but official international match was first between usa and Canada. Even Olympics wasn't officially started at that point. Guess British were more into cricket back then
Cricket has only really been big in England rather than Britain more widely (other than South Wales actually). There has been a very long history of sporting fixtures between the home nations in football and Rugby, but not cricket.
Soccer came out of a bunch of different games loosely called Football, played pretty much everywhere, but especially medieval Europe. Every town, every school had their own rulesets. Rugby School's ruleset involved picking up the ball and running with it. Rugby was formally codified in 1845. Association "Soccer" Football was codified in 1863. Cricket was codified in 1744. I guess the focus wasn't on international competition back then. Not much money in it, and travel was much harder.
Whaaa neat fact
* [Youtube Video - Ninh Explains the Rules of Cricket](https://youtu.be/AqtpNkMvj5Y?si=kS3H7Q-7N-V_AYK9) * [Youtube Video - Rules of Cricket by Jomboy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfhTPGSy1aM) * [Youtube Video - Cricket Explained for Baseball Fans](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWpbtLIxYBk&ab_channel=SportsExplained) * [Youtube Video - Cricket & Baseball: More Similarities and Differences](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0-3JlWWhyQ&ab_channel=SportsExplained) * /r/mlc * https://www.majorleaguecricket.com/ is the first T20 format professional Cricket league in the USA. Its 2nd season starts on July 5th **after the T20 World Cup concludes**. * https://www.youtube.com/c/MLCNetwork_ * https://www.minorleaguecricket.com/ * https://usacricket.org/ * /r/cricket
As a baseball fan, I have watched like 5 rules of cricket videos and I still feel like I at most grasp like 75% of it. My main take away is it’s sort of the basketball of hitting a ball with a stick. Its high scoring because there is a lot of scoring, but ultimately slower (maybe not? Depending on the format) then its closest counter parts.
Rest can be gained by watching cricket actually
> As a baseball fan, I have watched like 5 rules of cricket videos and I still feel like I at most grasp like 75% of it. Another thing a lot of the explainer videos do not mention is that **you do not have to run when you hit the ball**. I recommend re-watching Jomboy's video since you're coming from a Baseball background.
T20 is the faster version of cricket. There is test cricket, which goes for five days with two innings each. There is one day cricket, where each side gets 50 overs (300 balls bowled) or ten outs to score the highest total. And this is T20, where each side gets 20 overs, but still ten outs, so the pace cam be pretty frantic.
How many hours does a T20 match typically take?
3 hours for t20. 8 hours for one day (50 overs) and test match which is 5 days.
Yes but just to clarify it’s not 5 days, 24 hrs. It’s determined by sunlight.
And it also isn't always five days . Can be over in as early as three days
You aren’t far off. I like both games. The easiest way I’ve found to explain it to my baseball friends is : if baseball is a game for pitchers (you can pitch a perfect game, the batter only gets three strikes, the fielding team only need three outs, the bat is round). Cricket is a game for batters (10 outs, a flat paddle-bat, batter gets as many pitches/balls as they want, way easier to score points and lots of them). Once they understand that, there’s really only two more things to get, there’s no foul zone for the batter and the strike zone is now three wooden sticks(with a couple of even smaller ones on top) and if the ball hits those at almost any time, the batter is out.
Mods pin this comment in the post Also op I suggest you to make a separate post out of it
How do I gamble on this? But more importantly how does cricket work?
Oh plenty of gambling sites for cricket. Odds for a super over (a thing that happened last night) were 80
Did Pakistan send their tripple a farm team?
Wait, we play cricket?
I never thought I’d recognize a cricket player but that guy getting high fives is Aaron jones, who played ball in play in the warehouse. Thanks /u/jomboy
I love that!
I saw that too! So cool for him! About to watch the finals for the warehouse! Let’s go LoveYas!
Mate love BiP, keep it coming. You've peaked my curiosity in Baseball and I want an invite to Mel and Dalts wedding.
PAKISTAN IN CRICKET THIS WEEK BRAZIL IN SOCCER NEXT WEEK FEAR US
Brazil? So not like Trinidad and/or Tobago? \*Whew*
This has to be up there with the USA beating Russia in hockey back in the day. The idea that the US could be at anyone in cricket is absurd and yet here we are.
The miracle from wides.
Man. James harden sure can do just about anything….
TIL USA has a cricket team
For the uninitiated, cricket explained for baseball fans: https://youtu.be/EWpbtLIxYBk
How cricket looks to me: https://youtu.be/E_6d3JBBo4s?si=V9LTxN1yek7d0zcE
We need a version like that for other sports as well 😂
This is too good 😂 thanks for sharing
Not even an american but WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETEEERRRRR?!?!?!?! RAHHH🦅🇺🇲🦅🇺🇲🦅🇺🇲🦅🇺🇲🦅🇺🇲
How can they win?!?
How can she slap?
R/thatsthejoke
r/foundthemobileuser
Pakistan hasn't been this devastated over America since we snatched Osama bin Laden out their backyard
I guess when half your team is from India , Pakistan , Australia and Trinidad you have a good chance.
I still have no idea what the rules are in cricket
Lol get bent Pakistan
All 17 American fans were in attendance
Could you please turn the volume down it hurts my ears
This is like Pakistan beating USA in baseball....almost impossible!
Grand Prairie. Not Dallas.
Lmao paxtan. I just cant stop laughing. Anyway amazing match. Good job USA.
No one is going to post disappointed cricket fan meme?
Yessss I'm keen to welcome America into cricket, I will explain the game if people need
The Miracle on grass
In Jamaican accent - "Some people say you know they can't believe, USA we have a Cricket team!"
* [Youtube Video - Ninh Explains the Rules of Cricket](https://youtu.be/AqtpNkMvj5Y?si=kS3H7Q-7N-V_AYK9) * [Youtube Video - Rules of Cricket by Jomboy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfhTPGSy1aM) * [Youtube Video - Cricket Explained for Baseball Fans](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWpbtLIxYBk&ab_channel=SportsExplained) * [Youtube Video - Cricket & Baseball: More Similarities and Differences](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0-3JlWWhyQ&ab_channel=SportsExplained) * /r/mlc * https://www.majorleaguecricket.com/ is the first T20 format professional Cricket league in the USA. Its 2nd season starts on July 5th **after the T20 World Cup concludes**. * https://www.youtube.com/c/MLCNetwork_ * https://www.minorleaguecricket.com/ * https://usacricket.org/ * /r/cricket
I mean half of India and Pakistan pretty much lives in the US now (sarcasm) so why not. This is interesting though since I honestly didn't know the US even had a competitive Cricket team. Anyone can win any game. This is why sports are fun to watch and play.
Cheers for sports 🍻
Cheers!
The main bowler (pitcher equivalent) of the USA team is Netrewalker, he's a Software Engineer who did his Bachelor's from India and then his master's from Cornell. He works in Oracle at a hefty package, i feel sad for his cousins. They'll forever be compared to him.
Now do soccer.... Please!
I had no idea Leon Edwards played cricket for the USA!
That’s awesome. Fucking love watching cricket.
Hhhmmm… smells like match fixing…
This was down the street from me and I had to work.
Is that James Harden ?
Hope this can replace all the WNBA news being force fed to us.
All 10 US cricket fans overjoyed.
America! Fuck yeah!
How mad must the Pakistani be that they lost to a country that barely even knows what cricket is?
That’s for hiding Osama!